and injured two people in eastjerusaelm, a day after seven people were shot dead near a synagogue. prime minister benjamin netanyahu promises a �*strong, swift and accurate�* response. a 15—year—old girl has died after being stabbed in northumberland on friday. a 16—year—old boy was also injured in the same incident. police have arrested another 16—year—old boy on suspicion of murder. the regional airline, flybe, ceases trading for a second time. hundreds of staff have been made redundant and all flights to and from the uk due to be operated by the airline have been cancelled. you are watching bbc news. now political thinking with nick robinson. hello and welcome to political thinking. he's the man who leads

the organisation which represents britain's biggest employers talking the country down. or is he simply speaking up for the policies needed to get the country growing again? my guest on political thinking this week is tony danker. he week is tony danker. is the director—general of the cbi he is the director—general of the cbi are what we used to call... it is the job he does cbi are what we used to call... it is thejob he does now cbi are what we used to call... it is the job he does now though which led the times to argue in an editorial this week that he, as the leader of the cbi should not be talking the country down. tony danka, welcome to political thinking. danka, welcome to political thinkina. ., , ., thinking. you “ust made me sound much more — thinking. you just made me sound much more dangerous _ thinking. you just made me sound much more dangerous than - thinking. you just made me sound much more dangerous than i - thinking. you just made me sound much more dangerous than i am. |

thinking. you just made me sound - much more dangerous than i am. thank ou, nick. much more dangerous than i am. thank you. nick. that— much more dangerous than i am. thank you, nick. that quote _ much more dangerous than i am. thank you, nick. that quote about _ much more dangerous than i am. thank you, nick. that quote about not - you, nick. that quote about not being part of team uk? she you, nick. that quote about not being part of team uk?- you, nick. that quote about not being part of team uk? she is great. i sent the being part of team uk? she is great. i spent the first _ being part of team uk? she is great. i spent the first two _ being part of team uk? she is great. i spent the first two years _ being part of team uk? she is great. i spent the first two years of - being part of team uk? she is great. i spent the first two years of this - i spent the first two years of this job being booster —ish about britain. i decided i was going to out rooster boris. i got so much stick from our members saying everything is going to pot and you cannot sound optimistic like boris. yet last week i sounded a warning and i am talking britain down. i am not blaming you, nick, but i might suggest... is not blaming you, nick, but i might su: est... , not blaming you, nick, but i might su~est... , ., suggest... is it the media's fault? it is not the _ suggest... is it the media's fault? it is not the media's _ suggest... is it the media's fault? it is not the media's fault, - suggest... is it the media's fault? it is not the media's fault, but - suggest... is it the media's fault? it is not the media's fault, but it l it is not the media's fault, but it is easier to say he is for britain, he inspired the prime minister. you don't sound — he inspired the prime minister. you don't sound very regretful, the times editorial i read, it was

danker dampener and it was a proper slap on the wrist? let danker dampener and it was a proper slap on the wrist?— slap on the wrist? let me have a chat about _ slap on the wrist? let me have a chat about it, _ slap on the wrist? let me have a chat about it, because _ slap on the wrist? let me have a chat about it, because i - slap on the wrist? let me have a chat about it, because i had - slap on the wrist? let me have a chat about it, because i had a i slap on the wrist? let me have a i chat about it, because i had a long chat about it, because i had a long chat to people about it. i spend every week in this job talking to a global chief executive about britain. what is the terrible truth about the last few months, even though the government wish it were not so, britain got a bit of a knock to its reputation from what happened last autumn. i promise you, global boardrooms notice. i am telling you they have voted with their feet. not for ever, not for ever but a lot have turned round and said, i don't know what is going on in britain right now, i mightjust skip it for a second. we will eminently bring that back and i think the prime minister and the chancellor are doing a very good job in studying the ship and improving the economy. so much has happened, people might

not constantly think, last autumn, you mean the topping of boris johnson and the liz truss budget and the toppling of another prime minister? , , ., , , minister? yes, this has been happening — minister? yes, this has been happening as _ minister? yes, this has been happening as well— minister? yes, this has been happening as well as - minister? yes, this has been happening as well as joe - minister? yes, this has been l happening as well as joe biden happening as well asjoe biden deciding he was going to suck in all the global investment in the world, particularly in green energy. last week the european side we are going to do it as well. we have been top of the world at the green economy and green energy for ten years. we really had, whether it was ed miliband originally old theresa may laying down markers. and suddenly we are losing share. i did something i haven't done for two years, which was to sound a bit of a warning. this was a deliberate slap in the face? not a slap in the face, but a kind of bucket of cold water, a bit of a reminder to ministers to do so?

yes, it was a call to arms, so i will give you the tactical reason. i am really glad that rishi sunak and jeremy hunt are in charge. they are bringing stability to the british economy, they are doing it well. they are completely right that the side of the conservative party that is saying lets have mass tax cuts and get the economy growing are wrong. if we did that, we would increase inflation. but there are some very big issues to solve in this economy. there are some very big decisions to take on great. i'm worried that in the service of stability, we literally spend a year doing nothing. and i tell you why that worries me, in the long run. my big passion, the thing i have worked on above most is how on earth that we change the fact that for 15 years, nothing to do with brexit, but for 15 years the british economy has been flattening. my hope and my fear is that we don't use these

crises, brexit, covid, a war in ukraine, to change the trajectory of the growth of our economy. i am worried we are going to miss the chance. so, yes, iwas a worried we are going to miss the chance. so, yes, i was a little bit outspoken. chance. so, yes, i was a little bit outspoken-— outspoken. people can hear you almost climbing _ outspoken. people can hear you almost climbing down _ outspoken. people can hear you almost climbing down the - outspoken. people can hear you - almost climbing down the microphone. the passion. is that where you were hired, tony? i mean the cbi got a bit of a kicking after the brexit referendum. all the talk about the experts will run from michael gove. they were targeting the cbi, amongst others, saying all the talk of business from boris johnson, others, saying all the talk of business from borisjohnson, he met the cbi. they were sick of being lectured by you guys are big business. where you hire to get the cbi off its back off the floor and come out and punch a bit? iliiuieii cbi off its back off the floor and come out and punch a bit? welll don't know— come out and punch a bit? welll don't know about _ come out and punch a bit? welll don't know about that. _ come out and punch a bit? welll don't know about that. i - come out and punch a bit? welll don't know about that. i mean i come out and punch a bit? well i i don't know about that. i mean look, when i remember my first interview withjohn allen, chairman of tesco, he was president of the cbi. and he

sort of said to me, well, you know, what would you do with the job? and i said, i think i would actually say brexit is an opportunity for britain. and he looked at me with an eyebrow raised, not because i think it's good for the economy and free trade, but because it's clearly not good for free trade. but because it would force us finally to have a national strategy about how our economy can compete in the world. and we are becoming a smaller, luckier country, let's be honest. we arejust luckier country, let's be honest. we are just participating in continent so let's have it, let's have a strategy, let's have brexit part two. that's why i took the job. lets two. that's why i took the 'ob. lets now talk about i two. that's why i took the job. lets now talk about where you got some of that punch, where the fight came from. now you grew up in northern ireland, the clue is in the accent. ladies and gentlemen, without knowing a bit about politics, you don't grow up in belfast without knowing a bit about politics? was it

a politicalfamily? the knowing a bit about politics? was it a politicalfamily?— a political family? the six o'clock news every _ a political family? the six o'clock news every night _ a political family? the six o'clock news every night in _ a political family? the six o'clock news every night in belfast - a political family? the six o'clock news every night in belfast in - a political family? the six o'clock| news every night in belfast in the 70s and 80s was gripping, thrilling and terrifying, heartbreaking. debbie political change once a week. they would be bombs and murders and that the london involved and dublin involved. there'd be leaders of political parties rowing, there'd be actors, voice over erring politicians. it was gripping and consuming to me and i didn't realise that it was anything unusual until i went to manchester at 18, to university and i notice two things straightaway. one, police in the streets didn't have guns. they had torches. i rememberthinking it streets didn't have guns. they had torches. i remember thinking it was hilarious that the police only had torches. i rememberthinking it hilarious that the police only had torches. i remember thinking it was hilarious that the police only had torches. i thought to myself, i

could take the police. and then i remember watching the local news in manchester and i think it was tonight, majorshock manchester and i think it was tonight, major shock as post office held up and i was like, really? that's all you got? but in part because that makes your story intriguing. you're in northern ireland during the city belfast but you're not of the dispute because you're not of the dispute because you arejewish. you're not part of the warring communities. did you feel apart from it? yeah, ifelt nontribal. i mean look i didn't feel apart from it in the sense that was the family conversation every night. how did you get home tonight? did you miss the riots on dunkirk gardens? did you hear the bomb scare? did that affect your drive home? where are you going? be careful. that's a bad area. that is the everyday conversation of anybody in northern ireland growing up in the 70s and 805. now

in northern ireland growing up in the 705 and 805. now is that a political conversation? the 70s and 80s. now is that a political conversation?- the 70s and 80s. now is that a political conversation? some people mi . ht think political conversation? some people might think oh. _ political conversation? some people might think oh, gosh, _ political conversation? some people might think oh, gosh, that - political conversation? some people might think oh, gosh, that is - political conversation? some people might think oh, gosh, that is very i might think oh, go5h, that is very political. so the troubles were on your doorstep? {iii political. so the troubles were on your doorstep?— political. so the troubles were on our doorste? , ., , your doorstep? of course, of course. you know friends _ your doorstep? of course, of course. you know friends of _ your doorstep? of course, of course. you know friends of mine _ your doorstep? of course, of course. you know friends of mine engaged i your doorstep? of course, of course. you know friends of mine engaged in j you know friends of mine engaged in the troubles. two men i know very well lost their lives. men i knew who i went to school with joined the police and where injured or maimed. so the troubles were everywhere. but that doesn't mean that everybody wa5 that doesn't mean that everybody was political. in fact, the great thing about northern ireland in the 705 and 805, and you will know, because you have visited i5 and 805, and you will know, because you have visited is that actually despite it all, belfast wa5 you have visited is that actually despite it all, belfast was a happy place where people like to go drinking and go out to the giants causeway and go to the beach in 15 celsius. so the great comedy, terry gale i5 celsius. so the great comedy, terry gale is on channel 4 capture5 that sense that you had to be in one community or the other. there was the famous 5cene community or the other. there was the famous scene in which they were talking in class about the

difference between the protestants on the catholics in the process and some were told, keep your toasters in the cupboards and catholics like bingo. in the cupboards and catholics like binuo. ., ,., , in the cupboards and catholics like binuo. ., , , in the cupboards and catholics like bino. ., , ., , , well, bingo. you constantly tested? well, the tribe you — bingo. you constantly tested? well, the tribe you are _ bingo. you constantly tested? well, the tribe you are in. _ bingo. you constantly tested? well, the tribe you are in. it's _ bingo. you constantly tested? well, the tribe you are in. it's an - bingo. you constantly tested? well, the tribe you are in. it's an old i the tribe you are in. it's an old joke isn't it. because i've had variou5 joke isn't it. because i've had various people, michael grade, once did a joke with me about are you a protestantjewi5h or a catholic jewi5h? and i did have this, i did have to think twice i had a gang of 5choolboys come up to me and go, you protestant or catholic? and i would say, jewi5h. and the face of complete confusion giving me the two second gap i needed to run like hell. so i did get that. do second gap i needed to run like hell. so i did get that.- second gap i needed to run like hell. so i did get that. do you know what lsd is? _ hell. so i did get that. do you know what lsd is? no, _ hell. so i did get that. do you know what lsd is? no, never— hell. so i did get that. do you know what lsd is? no, never heard i hell. so i did get that. do you know what lsd is? no, never heard of i hell. so i did get that. do you know what lsd is? no, never heard of it. j

what lsd is? no, never heard of it. love support _ what lsd is? no, never heard of it. love support and — what lsd is? no, never heard of it. love support and discipline. - what lsd is? no, never heard of it. love support and discipline. he i what lsd is? no, never heard of it. | love support and discipline. he went on to be president of thejewi5h student union, he went on to be adviser to the late, greatjonathan sacks, one of the most powerful voices in the country for a long time. were tho5e voices in the country for a long time. were those values, all those value 5till time. were those values, all those value still important to you? i think so. definitely family, and love, i would love to bring love to westminster, nick, what do you think my chances are?— my chances are? don't give up the da 'ob. my chances are? don't give up the day job- you _ my chances are? don't give up the day job- you are — my chances are? don't give up the day job. you are an _ my chances are? don't give up the day job. you are an adviser- my chances are? don't give up the day job. you are an adviser to i my chances are? don't give up the day job. you are an adviser to the | dayjob. you are an adviser to the chief rabbi, you could become an adviser to an old student friend to liam burton, labour's chief secretary to the treasury under gordon brown. sometimes people talk about rats leaving a 5inking gordon brown. sometimes people talk about rats leaving a sinking ship, you joined a 5inking about rats leaving a sinking ship, you joined a sinking ship about rats leaving a sinking ship, you joined a 5inking 5hipju5t about rats leaving a sinking ship, you joined a sinking ship just as the financial crisis was happening, what was it like? it the financial crisis was happening, what was it like?— the financial crisis was happening, what was it like? it was such a mega crisis. everybody _ what was it like? it was such a mega crisis. everybody felt, _ what was it like? it was such a mega crisis. everybody felt, we _ what was it like? it was such a mega crisis. everybody felt, we are - what was it like? it was such a mega crisis. everybody felt, we are not i cri5i5. everybody felt, we are not

quite doing god's work, but we were doing incredibly important things and it felt very serious and very un—political. two years later we would go on to try and fight an election. , , , ., ., election. this is the period of the nationalisation _ election. this is the period of the nationalisation of _ election. this is the period of the nationalisation of the _ election. this is the period of the nationalisation of the banks, i election. this is the period of the nationalisation of the banks, the | nationalisation of the banks, the moment at which gordon brown, later as prime minister would go on to try and lead the international community to deal with the crisis that was happening. it was the moment that led to a famous note written by your boss, left for his success at the bo55, left for his success at the treasury, remind us what it said? the no money left no? you treasury, remind us what it said? the no money left no?— the no money left no? you didn't write it, did _ the no money left no? you didn't write it, did you? _ the no money left no? you didn't write it, did you? no, _ the no money left no? you didn't write it, did you? no, i— the no money left no? you didn't write it, did you? no, i didn't- write it, did you? no, i didn't write it, did you? no, i didn't write the _ write it, did you? no, i didn't write the note. _ write it, did you? no, i didn't write the note. not _ write it, did you? no, i didn't write the note. not even i write it, did you? no, i didn't| write the note. not even liam write it, did you? no, i didn't- write the note. not even liam would try and throw me under that bus. i tell you what is interesting about the note. the note was sort of upmarket embodies that time in the british economy where it is all back again, really, we had the right relationship between debt and spending, that is what we did. you

were political editor at the bbc, you might not remember this. i remember calling you from the treasury and said, you have got to get the balance right bringing down the deficit, 5ome has got to be done to cuts, 5ome through tax and some through growth. sound familiar? i think gordon brown had told me it again, again and again. it is ten years you let the treasury that you get hired by the cbi to do this job. i think it is fair to say, isn't it, as i said at the beginning, the cbi needed to do something different, having suffered during the brexit referendum. for5ome having suffered during the brexit referendum. for some of the people around that table who are hiring you wanted to just wear a t—shirt and to say, we told you so? we said brexit wouldn't work. i say, we told you so? we said brexit wouldn't work.— wouldn't work. i remember my first conversation _ wouldn't work. i remember my first conversation with _ wouldn't work. i remember my first conversation with boris _ wouldn't work. i remember my first conversation with boris johnson. i l

conversation with bori5johnson. i tried this line on him, which was a bit boldly, but he could get away with it with paris. thi5 bit boldly, but he could get away with it with paris. this whole brexit thing, for us it was just business. foryou, it was brexit thing, for us it was just business. for you, it was bigger than that, personal, 5overeignty wa5 than that, personal, 5overeignty was a massive idea you had worked your whole life. the business people, it was bu5iness. would you like to wa5 bu5iness. would you like to reduce free trade and do more paperwork to which the answer was, no, why would we say yes to that? to my predecessor's credit and everybody at the cbi's credit, the moment the vote was over, they said let's get the best brexit. that moment the vote was over, they said let's get the best brexit.— let's get the best brexit. that is what business _ let's get the best brexit. that is what business people _ let's get the best brexit. that is what business people say? i let's get the best brexit. that isj what business people say? yes, let's get the best brexit. that is i what business people say? yes, this idea business _ what business people say? yes, this idea business people _ what business people say? yes, this idea business people are _ what business people say? yes, this idea business people are walking i idea business people are walking around moaning, they are moaning about the fact it isn't done. it is kind of like, let's get on with this. �* , ., ., kind of like, let's get on with this. �*, ., ., , ., kind of like, let's get on with this. �* , ., ., , . yes, this. let's go to stage two? yes, also lets trade. _ this. let's go to stage two? yes,

also lets trade. business - this. let's go to stage two? yes, also lets trade. business people | also lets trade. business people trade, they don't do politics. it was an interesting point you make, it was just business. the criticism michael gove and boris it was just business. the criticism michael gove and bori5johnson made of big business was essentially arguing you are part of the problem. you were the reason so many people, not you personally, but you, corporate britain was the reason people felt they had been left behind, that people felt that westminster didn't repre5ent behind, that people felt that westminster didn't represent them, that people felt there was this great divide between the rich and the poor. do you think there has been enough reflection in corporate britain of what people were telling you in that referendum, notjust the politicians? you in that referendum, not 'ust the oliticians? , ., ., politicians? there is a lot there. let me begin — politicians? there is a lot there. let me begin with _ politicians? there is a lot there. let me begin with the _ politicians? there is a lot there. let me begin with the obvious l let me begin with the obvious rebuttal but anybody thinking the vote was against big country companie5 rather than westminster, dot they prote5t too much. but i am a big 5upporter dot they prote5t too much. but i am a big supporter of what i call progre55ive capitalism. it is a fundamental belief that first of all

you need prosperity to give people life chance5. government doesn't give people life chance5, busine55, give people life chance5, business, firms, companie5 give people life chance5, business, firms, companies do. secondly, that increasingly now, companie5 firms, companies do. secondly, that increasingly now, companies are doing that of their own volition, it is part of the corporate dna. not brought about by regulators and politicians or brexit voters, but because those are the contemporary values of people that work in our workplace and shape our companie5. workplace and shape our companies. as every company good? no, there are a5 every company good? no, there are some bad companie5 a5 every company good? no, there are some bad companies in the world. i wish they went because i go on television the day after they do something bad, it is very hard. i remember having this conversation with keir starmer and i said labour need to make a choice about business. is bu5ine55 need to make a choice about business. is business the barrier to a fairer society? or is business the deliverer of a fairer society? mr; deliverer of a fairer society? my olitics deliverer of a fairer society? my politics are 100% the latter. he

said? politics are 10096 the latter. he said? ., do politics are 10096 the latter. he said?_ do you - politics are 10096 the latter. he said?_ do you think. politics are 10096 the latter. he l said?_ do you think he politics are 10096 the latter. he i said?_ do you think he is? said? no, mine. do you think he is? i think we said? no, mine. do you think he is? i think we are _ said? no, mine. do you think he is? i think we are currently _ said? no, mine. do you think he is? i think we are currently led - said? no, mine. do you think he is? i think we are currently led by i said? no, mine. do you think he is? i think we are currently led by a i i think we are currently led by a set of politicians on both side of the house he think bu5ine55 set of politicians on both side of the house he think business is part of the answer and not the problem. yet the woman sitting in that chair in this podcast programme last week would say, hold on as i can these are busine55e5 led by chief executives who are paying them5elve5 executives who are paying themselves more and more at a time, notjust during the short term inflation repeat, but over many years workers have seen cut5 repeat, but over many years workers have seen cuts in their real wages. they don't really get it at all? should i think people should see cut5 should i think people should see cuts in wages? no, they should grow. wage5 will grow if we have high performing companie5 alongside a good minimum wage. thi5 performing companie5 alongside a good minimum wage. this idea that, you know, there is definitely truth

in saying one of the drivers of brexit wa5 in saying one of the drivers of brexit was that the economy did not work for everyone. that is absolutely right. i take that very, very seriously. and therefore, now that we all are po5t brexiteers, i would like to suggest, we need to work out how the economy can work for everyone. i don't want economic policy to be driven about a brexit debate about 5overeignty policy to be driven about a brexit debate about sovereignty and get rid of any rule that has a blue flag with gold 5tar5 of any rule that has a blue flag with gold stars from brussels. i want the economy that works for everyone, creates opportunity for everyone. i think bori5johnson wa5 everyone. i think bori5johnson was completely right to talk about levelling up. that is what business can do for britain and those are my politics. can do for britain and those are my olitics. ., ., ., ~ ., politics. you have talked about boris johnson _ politics. you have talked about boris johnson once _ politics. you have talked about boris johnson once or - politics. you have talked about boris johnson once or twice. i l politics. you have talked about i boris johnson once or twice. ijust bori5johnson once or twice. iju5t want to play you something... . boris johnson once or twice. i 'ust want to play you something... , god. from itoris— want to play you something... , god. from boris johnson. _ want to play you something... , god. from boris johnson. tony, _ want to play you something... , god. from boris johnson. tony, i- want to play you something... , god. from boris johnson. tony, i went, i want to play you something... , god. from boris johnson. tony, iwent, asj from boris johnson. tony, iwent, as we all must. — from boris johnson. tony, iwent, as we all must. to _ from boris johnson. tony, iwent, as we all must, to peppa _ from boris johnson. tony, iwent, as

we all must, to peppa pig _ from boris johnson. tony, iwent, as we all must, to peppa pig world, i we all must, to peppa pig world, peppa _ we all must, to peppa pig world, peppa pig — we all must, to peppa pig world, peppa pig world is very much my of place _ peppa pig world is very much my of place it_ peppa pig world is very much my of place it has— peppa pig world is very much my of place. it has a very safe streets... discipline — place. it has a very safe streets... discipline in — place. it has a very safe streets... discipline in schools, here the emphasis _ discipline in schools, here the emphasis on new mass transit systems. _ emphasis on new mass transit systems. i_ emphasis on new mass transit systems, i notice.— emphasis on new mass transit systems, i notice. peppa pig world, ou were systems, i notice. peppa pig world, you were on — systems, i notice. peppa pig world, you were on stage _ systems, i notice. peppa pig world, you were on stage when _ systems, i notice. peppa pig world, you were on stage when the - systems, i notice. peppa pig world, you were on stage when the then i you were on stage when the then prime minister swift about peppa pig world, lost his place, 5pent 22nd saying forgive me, forgive me. could you believe what was happening? the most you believe what was happening? tie: most famous thing you believe what was happening? ti9: most famous thing i have you believe what was happening? ti9 most famous thing i have ever done in my life is sit next to bori5 in my life is sit next to boris johnson when that happen. it is the john5on when that happen. it is the thing i am most famous for. mas thing i am most famous for. was something _ thing i am most famous for. was something going _ thing i am most famous for. was something going through your mind which is, i must not, i am on camera, put my head in my hands, roll my eyes to the ceiling? this camera, put my head in my hands, roll my eyes to the ceiling?- roll my eyes to the ceiling? this is a big revelation, _ roll my eyes to the ceiling? this is a big revelation, for— roll my eyes to the ceiling? this is a big revelation, for the _ roll my eyes to the ceiling? this is a big revelation, for the 200 i roll my eyes to the ceiling? this is i a big revelation, for the 200 people who think peppa pig i5

a big revelation, for the 200 people who think peppa pig is the greatest thing around. i thought the peppa pig stuff was very funny. i didn't agree with bori5johnson very much, but i thought he was very funny. the forgive me, forgive me stuff was terrible. �* , , terrible. because he lost his place? he lost his — terrible. because he lost his place? he lost his place. _ terrible. because he lost his place? he lost his place. i _ terrible. because he lost his place? he lost his place. i remember- he lost his place. i remember thinking, what if he has lost his place and he doesn't recover, do i stand up and offer to help? i was his house. my room thinking, do i say something? i thought to myself, if i get up and try to help him, thati5 if i get up and try to help him, that is the worst thing ever. i had no alternative to sit on my hands and try to smile. i came off stage... and try to smile. i came off stage- - -_ and try to smile. i came off sta:e...~ . :, m stage... what did he say to you? he was one stage... what did he say to you? he was gone afterwards, _ stage... what did he say to you? he was gone afterwards, not _ was gone afterwards, not surprisingly. i remember coming off 5urpri5ingly. i remember coming off stage and on my whatsapp had 83 messages. mostly filled with, help that poor man. do something, do

something. i thought the peppa pig stuff was funny and his speech was quite good. i also made a really good speech that no one will remember. brute good speech that no one will remember-— good speech that no one will remember. ~ , remember. we 'ust delivered it auain, it remember. we 'ust delivered it again. it is — remember. we just delivered it again, it is absolutely - remember. we just delivered it again, it is absolutely fine. i remember. we just delivered it | again, it is absolutely fine. let's just go back to this idea we are all post brexiteers. i am going to challenge that, plenty of people are listening and watching who don't feel like brexiteers at all. they think it is a mistake and those who think it is a mistake and those who think they are pro—brexit, say we are not toast brexit because all the things that were promised have not been delivered. we had a referendum and we still don't know where to go as a country?— as a country? first of all, i am a jewish boy _ as a country? first of all, i am a jewish boy from _ as a country? first of all, i am a jewish boy from belfast, - as a country? first of all, i am a jewish boy from belfast, i i as a country? first of all, i am a| jewish boy from belfast, i would like to move forwards. i want to go back to tribes, the roundheads and cavaliers of 2016. number two, i have said before, brexit was about sovereignty, not the economy. the economy hasn't played out so well. i

don't know why anybody is surprised, it wasn't an economic movement, it was a sarran sovereignty movement. i know you say to the government, it's not a choice between inflation and growth, you say be bold. for example, making people who have left the labour force get back to work, evenif the labour force get back to work, even if it is painful?— even if it is painful? helping them aet back even if it is painful? helping them get back to _ even if it is painful? helping them get back to work, _ even if it is painful? helping them get back to work, being _ even if it is painful? helping them get back to work, being smart i even if it is painful? helping them i get back to work, being smart about how that happens. the first one is, let's have a tax system where companies don't invest in britain, pay more tax, people that do pay less, it was rishi sunak�*s idea, i would love it to happen. what do we do about economic activity in this country, what do we do that after covid lots of people are at home either for reasons of choice, mental health or long—term health conditions. how do we get them back because this set of politicians don't want to use immigration to plug labour shortages so we need to

think boldly about childcare and all those policies. i think boldly about childcare and all those policies.— think boldly about childcare and all those policies. i want to come back to what you — those policies. i want to come back to what you said _ those policies. i want to come back to what you said about _ those policies. i want to come back to what you said about tribalism. . those policies. i want to come back| to what you said about tribalism. do you fear that modern politics, not just brexit, we could talk about jeremy corbyn or we donald trump and boris jeremy corbyn or we donald trump and bori5johnson, but the modern politics fuelled by social media has to much become what you remember as a child, whose tribe are you in? ii a child, whose tribe are you in? if you look at some of the tragic events with members of parliament in the last few years, you would say so, wouldn't you? and if you read social media, every time i say the word brexit, it goes mad. so to some degree, yes. the only ray of light, i might say, again i come back to it, this is me being nice to politicians, i don't think our political parties are being led by extremist. i think the political parties are being led by one nation

politicians. it mayjust be that era is coming to an end. i really hope so. because i think... i guess my experience of being thejewish boy from belfast amid the conflict, is that conflict takes you to bad places. working together takes you to go places, prosperity takes you to go places, prosperity takes you to go places, prosperity takes you to go places. i realise there will be a general election next year so i imagine we will kick the living hell out of each other. i hope we work on an emerging consensus in britain about the balance and growth in britain and how it has to be for everybody in society.— britain and how it has to be for everybody in society. when you mention brexit, _ everybody in society. when you mention brexit, like _ everybody in society. when you mention brexit, like you - everybody in society. when you mention brexit, like you just i everybody in society. when you i mention brexit, like you just have and your social media will light up and your social media will light up and the letters and e—mails will come to the cbi attacking you for what you have said, how do you switch off? i what you have said, how do you switch off?— switch off? i like to watch liverpool _ switch off? i like to watch liverpool beat _ switch off? i like to watch | liverpool beat manchester switch off? i like to watch - liverpool beat manchester united switch off? i like to watch _ liverpool beat manchester united at football. :, , �* liverpool beat manchester united at football. . , �* ., , , ., football. hasn't happened for sometime? _ football. hasn't happened for sometime? that _ football. hasn't happened for sometime? that is _ football. hasn't happened for sometime? that is true, i i football. hasn't happened for| sometime? that is true, i like football. hasn't happened for.

sometime? that is true, i like to watch old _ sometime? that is true, i like to watch old clips. _ sometime? that is true, i like to watch old clips. you _ sometime? that is true, i like to watch old clips. you play - sometime? that is true, i like to watch old clips. you play in i sometime? that is true, i like to watch old clips. you play in a i sometime? that is true, i like to i watch old clips. you play in a band? i do watch old clips. you play in a band? ido -la watch old clips. you play in a band? i do play in — watch old clips. you play in a band? i do play in a _ watch old clips. you play in a band? i do play in a band. _ watch old clips. you play in a band? i do play in a band. you _ watch old clips. you play in a band? i do play in a band. you are - watch old clips. you play in a band? i do play in a band. you are not- i do play in a band. you are not going to play a clip? the bar mitzvah photo was enough. we started at university, now we are just a dad band, we are greyer and larger. we cannot get gigs any more so we play a people's birthday parties. it is called? it a people's birthday parties. it is called? it is _ a people's birthday parties. it is called? it is called _ a people's birthday parties. it is called? it is called spread i a people's birthday parties. it is called? it is called spread the l a people's birthday parties. it is i called? it is called spread the word but nobody did. _ called? it is called spread the word but nobody did. you're _ called? it is called spread the word but nobody did. you're tighter. i i but nobody did. you're tighter. i don't know _ but nobody did. you're tighter. i don't know about _ but nobody did. you're tighter. i don't know about that _ but nobody did. you're tighter. i don't know about that one. i but nobody did. you're tighter. i j don't know about that one. tony danker, thank you for being on political thinking.— good evening. so far it hasn't been the most dramatic of weekends with the most dramatic of weekends with the weather. we have had a lot of cloud around in many locations but

also a lot of sunshine, some blue sky in county antrim. things do turn a little livelier for some on sunday. stronger winds and outbreaks of rain particularly across the northern half of the country. overnight, england and wales seeing large amounts of cloud and the odd spot of drizzle but clearer spells creeping in from the north—west. conversely for northern ireland and scotland, which will start with clear spells will see more cloud rolling in from the north—west. a strengthening breeze and temperatures for most places staying above freezing. there may be a few packets of frost. into tomorrow there is this area of low pressure and this frontal system which will turn things unsettled in the north. outbreaks of rain eventually, but also a strengthening wind. further south it will be fairly breezy, cloudy start in the south of england, but things across england and wales will brighten up with sunny spells. through the afternoon, gusty winds particularly to the eastern side of the pennines, the north coast around northern ireland and some exposed spots in the north

of scotland seen gusts of 65 mph with this band of a moving south eastwards, perhaps a short, sharp burst of rain moving through. just ahead of that, very mild temperatures of 9012 degrees. this weather fronts with southwards sunday night and into monday. then high pressure building on so that should be a decent amount of dry weather on monday and some sunshine for a time. more cloud will roll in from the west late in the day with some splashes of rain. temperatures up some splashes of rain. temperatures up to eight, nine or 10 degrees. a5 up to eight, nine or 10 degrees. as we look ahead to tuesday, we will see the winds are strengthening. there will be some sunny spells but for northern england northwards, showers as well which will be wintry of a high ground abaft to lower levels at times of scotland. the wind picking up, particularly across scotland, northern ireland and northern england. temperatures between seven and 12 degrees. a5 northern england. temperatures between seven and 12 degrees. as an area of low pressure squashes in to the north of scotland during tuesday

night, quite a deep low, lots of white lines and isobars on the chart, we could see a spell of windy and even stormy weather. it does turn lively for a time into the new week.

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