this is bbc news — welcome if you're watching here in the uk or around the globe. i'm lewis vaughanjones and these are the latest headlines... aid agencies call for better access to the earthquake disaster zones from turkey to syria, as the number of people killed in both countries rises to nearly 25,000. over on that side of the border, there is the constant sound of sirens, of heavy machinery, of people working. there is none of that here. down there there are small children removing the rubble. the united nations estimates the earthquakes may have left nearly 5.5 million people homeless in syria. the government there says it will allow aid to be delivered to rebel—held parts of the country. despite the odds, people are still being pulled out alive

from under the rubble in turkey, more than 120 hours after the first earthquake struck. three people have been arrested, following clashes with police outside a hotel providing refuge for asylum seekers on merseyside in the uk. in other news, us fighterjets shoot down an unidentified aircraft over alaska after president biden gave the order to "seek and destroy." troops are trying to salvage the wreckage. hello and welcome to the programme. rescuers in turkey and syria are increasingly focusing efforts on the survivors of monday's earthquakes who are enduring the aftermath in the cold of winter. more than 2a,000 people

are now known to have died. these are the epicentres close to the turkish cities of kahramanmaras and gaziantep. as we know, of course, the chances of finding people alive diminish as every hour goes by and thoughts now to the hundreds of thousands of people who need to survive and rebuild, given what has happened there. we know the united nations will play a crucial role, the humanitarian chief, the person in charge, has arrived in the region and we will be bringing you what they say in just a moment and we'll be bringing you pictures of some remarkable rescues. first, though, i want to concentrate on the difference between the rescue effort in turkey and in syria. 0ur correspondent quentin sommerville is in harem in the northwest idlib province of the country. listen to what he says about the difference in the rescue efforts there. this is the town of harem in north—west syria.

there is a bit of activity here, but nothing like you this is the town of harem in north—west syria. there is a bit of activity here, but nothing like you see there in terms of activity on the other side, on the turkish side of the border. the border is literally just across that hill. the people here have lost about 700 buildings. another 4,000 or so are unsafe. so they are living in tents and if we just swing around here you can perhaps see the internally displaced people's camp that has been set up over there. they are also telling us that in terms of foreign aid, they have received next to nothing. some spanish doctors made it to some of their hospitals, but nothing else. the contrast here with what is going on in turkey is astonishing. over on that side of the border there is the constant sound of sirens, of heavy machinery, of people working. there is none of that here. down there are small children removing the rubble. while the international community isn't here, it is being left to small boys to remove the rubble from these broken buildings and to try and find bodies. and it is bodies they are trying to find now because they say

that the time for looking for survivors has passed here, that that passed 2a hours ago. this is mainly a recovery mission, they are no longer rescuing people and the reason they are no longer rescuing people is because the aid just didn't come quick enough. quentin sommerville there during a stark contrast between those rescue and recovery efforts in syria and in turkey. just a couple of miles away, across the border. 0ur chief international correspondent, lyse doucet, described earlier on the situation in syria as a crisis within a crisis, which was again a pretty stark way of dealing with it and describing it. lyse doucet is in turkey now and has been speaking to the un humanitarian chief, martin griffiths, who hasjust

arrived in the area, let's listen to what he had to say. martin griffiths, you have seen so many disasters in 70 different parts of the world, how does this compare? i think it is the worst natural disaster i have ever seen and it is also the most extraordinary international response, as you know. we have more than 100 countries who have sent people here, so there's been an incredible response, but there is a need for it, as we see behind us. and what is so amazing is that people are still, as you know, coming out of the rubble alive six days in. so it is shocking. it is also, in a perverse sense, quite heartening. also, in a perverse sense, quite heartening-— also, in a perverse sense, quite hearteninu. . ., ., , heartening. heartening in what way? well, the response. _ heartening. heartening in what way? well, the response. the _ heartening. heartening in what way? well, the response. the response, i well, the response. the response, the fact that people with great expertise got here very quickly, committed, working day and night to do what is needed. that is remarkable and i hope that when we launch our appeals for both turkey and syria in the next day or so that

we will get the generous donor response as well.— we will get the generous donor response as well. we will get the generous donor resonse as well. ~ ., ., , response as well. what do they need the most now? _ response as well. what do they need the most now? what _ response as well. what do they need the most now? what they _ response as well. what do they need the most now? what they need - response as well. what do they need the most now? what they need the l the most now? what they need the most now is — the most now? what they need the most now is to _ the most now? what they need the most now is to come _ the most now? what they need the most now is to come to _ the most now? what they need the most now is to come to a _ the most now? what they need the | most now is to come to a conclusion as to when they call off the rescue efforts, which is a really difficult question because of who is left behind. then i think, as her dross from the who has said, really worried about medical next, particularly in north—west syria, where we have collar already, but medicalfacilities here where we have collar already, but medical facilities here are obviously overwhelmed, as you know, so there is a huge need for urgent medical care, mobile clinics, field hospitals. i think the united kingdom is sending in a field hospital, for example. and then the period of humanitarian aid, the next three months, for which we are appealing, which will cover shelter, livelihoods, food, nutrition and health care. and so, to give people a sense, those people who have had to leave their homes, that there is

a stable future, a waiting room, evenin a stable future, a waiting room, even in this awful time. do a stable future, a waiting room, even in this awful time.- even in this awful time. do you think there _ even in this awful time. do you think there is _ even in this awful time. do you think there is a _ even in this awful time. do you think there is a stable - even in this awful time. do you think there is a stable future i think there is a stable future awaiting them? you know how hard it is to raise money in a world where there is one disaster after another. well, i think there is one disaster after another. well, ithink it there is one disaster after another. well, i think it is going to be very difficult. it is going to be very difficult. it is going to be very difficult because there are a lot of needs on both sides and i think as president erdogan has said, it is going to take a year to rebuild some of the houses dr hossam elsharkawi thatis of the houses dr hossam elsharkawi that is optimistic. i of the houses dr hossam elsharkawi that is optimistic.— that is optimistic. i think it is optimistic — that is optimistic. i think it is optimistic. in _ that is optimistic. i think it is optimistic. in syria _ that is optimistic. i think it is optimistic. in syria it - that is optimistic. i think it is optimistic. in syria it is - that is optimistic. i think it isj optimistic. in syria it is going that is optimistic. i think it is i optimistic. in syria it is going to be much more _ optimistic. in syria it is going to be much more difficult. - optimistic. in syria it is going to be much more difficult. the - be much more difficult. the challenge — be much more difficult. the challenge with _ be much more difficult. the challenge with syria - be much more difficult. the challenge with syria is bad enough in the north—west, as you know the last rebel held area. in the north-west, as you know the last rebel held area.— last rebel held area. yes, bad enou:h last rebel held area. yes, bad enough before _ last rebel held area. yes, bad enough before this _ last rebel held area. yes, bad enough before this and - last rebel held area. yes, bad enough before this and then l last rebel held area. yes, bad. enough before this and then all last rebel held area. yes, bad - enough before this and then all this him. i think we can raise consciousness and money, just as we have seen the response here. we will see. we'll see how those appeals go, but at least the agencies we are working with, the international agencies, the ngos and national ngos, we all know each other well, we have been working together for long years in this region, that is

an advantage.— long years in this region, that is an advantage. long years in this region, that is an advantaae. �*, , ., ., ., an advantage. there's been a lot of criticism of — an advantage. there's been a lot of criticism of the _ an advantage. there's been a lot of criticism of the un _ an advantage. there's been a lot of criticism of the un across - an advantage. there's been a lot of criticism of the un across the - criticism of the un across the border in syria, particularly in idlib province, they are saying, you are letting politics get in the way of humanitarian relief because you're not there on the ground. well, we're not there on the ground as you know, because the security council is only allowed a cross border resolution these many years, which provides for un aid to go through a single crossing and to be delivered to the organisations there. this is not new. this is eight years old, this is not about... eight years old, this is not about- - -— eight years old, this is not about... , ., ., ., eight years old, this is not about... , ., ., about... why does that have to be there? peeple _ about... why does that have to be there? people asking _ about... why does that have to be there? people asking why - about... why does that have to be there? people asking why do - about... why does that have to be there? people asking why do you | about... why does that have to be - there? people asking why do you have to go to the un security council? why should the humanitarian needs to be hostage to the gridlock of the security council, where russia and china vetoed the un? that security council, where russia and china vetoed the un?— security council, where russia and china vetoed the un? that is a long sto , it is china vetoed the un? that is a long story. it is to _ china vetoed the un? that is a long story. it is to do _ china vetoed the un? that is a long story, it is to do with _ china vetoed the un? that is a long story, it is to do with the _ china vetoed the un? that is a long story, it is to do with the syrian - story, it is to do with the syrian government's claims for sovereignty, but i want to say this on that issue. i don't think it is right to give up hope that we will get

access. we are looking very, very actively and firmly and hard for opening up to more crossing points... opening up to more crossing points-"— opening up to more crossing oints... ., ~ , ., points... through turkey into... turkey into _ points... through turkey into... turkey into the _ points... through turkey into... turkey into the north-west, - points... through turkey into... | turkey into the north-west, yes. points... through turkey into... i turkey into the north-west, yes. in turkey into the north—west, yes. in the coming days we are going to put a resolution before the security council. if anybody wants to veto it, let them do so. the case for those two additional crossing points as a black and white crossing humanitarian case. this is not politics and people who say we are playing with politics, that is not fair. white had a fascinating insight there from martin griffiths, he is part of the united nations, the person in charge of the emergency relief coordination effectively and you heard right at the end there will be with that interview with lyse doucet, talking about the wish to open up a couple more crossing points from turkey to syria to try to get more aid in there. we will see what happens with that over the next couple of days. bright, as i mentioned right at the top in the headlines, they have

remarkably been some rescue is still going on, which is remarkable, given how long ago now the earthquakes first hit. late on friday night, in the turkish city of kahramanmaras, british and german rescuers found and pulled to safety a 15—year—old girl. and here we have footage of another rescue earlier in the day — of a woman pulled from the rubble in antakya. rescue crews in turkey and syria are refusing to give up hope of finding people alive, but say their survival chances plummet after the first 72 hours because of the effects of dehydration and cold. uk donations to the dec earthquake appeal has reached nearly £53 million injust two days. let's talk a little more about aid and humanitarian support with ravi singh, chief executive of khalsa aid international, that's a non—profit humanitarian organisation

which supports victims of disasters around the world. thank you very much for coming on the programme. thank you very much for coming on the programme-— thank you very much for coming on the programme. thank you very much, aood the programme. thank you very much, good afternoon- _ the programme. thank you very much, good afternoon. what _ the programme. thank you very much, good afternoon. what we _ the programme. thank you very much, good afternoon. what we heard - the programme. thank you very much, good afternoon. what we heard fare i good afternoon. what we heard fare from martin — good afternoon. what we heard fare from martin griffiths _ good afternoon. what we heard fare from martin griffiths of _ good afternoon. what we heard fare from martin griffiths of the - good afternoon. what we heard fare from martin griffiths of the united l from martin griffiths of the united nations talking about this really difficult point, in an operation like this, where you move from the rescue attempt to recovery, a basic acceptance that the chances now of survival are so slim that the focus has to shift to recovery and supporting the people that did survive. in your eyes, where do we stand now? what point are we at? yes, it is sad. i have driven past so many towns and cities absolutely devastated and i have seen people sit outside where the machinery hasn't reached yet, asking us, can you hear the noise, can you hear someone calling out from below the

rubble? and then you are listening in as well. and you don't want to say anything that may break their hopes and you say, look, we are not hearing much, but, you know, when the rescue people arrive, but they keep trying, saying, when will they reach us? so unfortunately, it is a very human tragedy, family members still think that there will be rescues, they still think their relatives may be buried alive, but the temperatures here are absolutely shockingly freezing. when i arrived a few days ago at six pmi was frozen, working, all covered up in clothing, so yes, we are doing what we can for those who have survived the earthquake, we are doing the best we can, our team reached there within 424 hours, and within 72 hours we had a massive truck, 3500 blankets, we have a second truck coming, we set up hot meals

immediately. right now i am in a town in antakya, but a hot meals have started in south—western turkey. we organisation we are very effective on the ground because we are very fortunate to have very good friends here. that are very fortunate to have very good friends here-— friends here. that is really interesting. _ friends here. that is really interesting. i— friends here. that is really interesting. i don't - friends here. that is really interesting. i don't want . friends here. that is really| interesting. i don't want to friends here. that is really - interesting. i don't want to ask this because the list is so long, i suppose, but what aid is required most urgently? because the temperature is one thing, but we have the head of the world health organization in the region now and that focuses the mind, obviously, on the need for all sorts of medical supplies as well?— the need for all sorts of medical supplies as well? yes, definitely, definitel . supplies as well? yes, definitely, definitely. there _ supplies as well? yes, definitely, definitely. there are _ supplies as well? yes, definitely, definitely. there are doctors - supplies as well? yes, definitely, definitely. there are doctors we l definitely. there are doctors we work with, doctors who are supposed to come back with me from the city. he said he can't, he is from iran, he is a specialist surgeon and he said he is the only senior surgeon in the area for amputations, so you can imagine that people are suffering, that diseases may be breaking out, in some places they

are breaking out, there is the real issue of sanitation. i have spent a lot of time actually on—site, so when you have to go to the toilet or whatever, it is not something very pleasant, there needs to be absolute range of sanitation brought in, serious services in the area. but yes, the who have their work cut out. the only good thing at the moment, in a way, for the diseases is it is very cold, but there are still outbreaks coming up, people are struggling. basic medicine, basic painkillers are inaccessible, the shops are shut, there's hardly anything i think any pharmacies, whether they are open or not, there's a huge issue unfolding here. i needed something very basic, it took me so long just to find a local pharmacy that is open. imagine people who are far away into the rural areas, especially those without any access to the main cities, it is going to be

impossible. it is very tragic. the level of, the scale of the devastation is just so shocking to stop you know, how we can respond to such a huge devastation and trying to reach every single person, it will take time. it to reach every single person, it will take time.— to reach every single person, it will take time.- it - to reach every single person, it will take time.- it is - to reach every single person, it will take time.- it isjust| will take time. it will. it is “ust terrible. yes, i will take time. it will. it is “ust terrible. yes, thank * will take time. it will. it is “ust terrible. yes, thank you b will take time. it will. it isjust terrible. yes, thank you so - will take time. it will. it isjust i terrible. yes, thank you so much will take time. it will. it isjust - terrible. yes, thank you so much for so clearly outlining _ terrible. yes, thank you so much for so clearly outlining the _ terrible. yes, thank you so much for so clearly outlining the horrendous l so clearly outlining the horrendous scale of what is going on. you talked us through that and lots of theissues talked us through that and lots of the issues so clearly, ravi singh, thank you for coming on the programme. and of course plenty more on that story as we get any more lines or news we bring them to you, but i will pause on that story there and look now at the united states. the us military says it has shot down an unidentified object flying at high altitude over alaska. the craft appeared nearly a week after a chinese surveillance balloon

was shot down as it travelled through american airspace. here'sjohn kirby — spokesman for the white house national security council. we are calling this an object because that is the best description we have right now. we do not know who owns it, whether it is state owned or corporate owned or privately owned. we just don't know. i'm joined now by matthew henderson, slightly strange, we will have all followed the surveillance balloon a couple of days ago. this even more ill—defined, just an object, was detailed as the description got there. i'm joined now by matthew henderson, an expert and writer on asia, previously with the henry jackson society. thank you very much for coming on the programme. aha, thank you very much for coming on the programme-— thank you very much for coming on the programme._ so, i thank you very much for coming on | the programme._ so, an the programme. a pleasure. so, an ob'ect, the programme. a pleasure. so, an object. can — the programme. a pleasure. so, an object. can you _ the programme. a pleasure. so, an object, can you offer _ the programme. a pleasure. so, an object, can you offer us _ the programme. a pleasure. so, an object, can you offer us any - the programme. a pleasure. so, an object, can you offer us any more i object, can you offer us any more details? ., . , , ., details? know, except there is a re details? know, except there is a pretty good _ details? know, except there is a pretty good chance _ details? know, except there is a pretty good chance it _ details? know, except there is a pretty good chance it will- details? know, except there is a pretty good chance it will be - pretty good chance it will be recovered rather more quickly and easily than the other thing because it will have fallen down on ice, i

gather, and should therefore not have disappeared from the u. and have disappeared from the u. and this idea of _ have disappeared from the u. and this idea of shooting something down, can you just talk us through what happened, what decisions were made and by whom? weill. what happened, what decisions were made and by whom?— made and by whom? well, the president _ made and by whom? well, the president will _ made and by whom? well, the president will have _ made and by whom? well, the president will have decided - made and by whom? well, the president will have decided to | made and by whom? well, the i president will have decided to use made and by whom? well, the - president will have decided to use a missile fired from a fighter aircraft to bring down whatever the object was. obviously damage inflicted on the object has to be weighed up against what you need to achieve from it, but it is extraordinary what people can retrieve these days and hopefully more intelligence will emerge from this that will enable its identification. in the way, apparently, that it is already beginning to clear up the fact that the balloon clearly had a surveillance role.- the balloon clearly had a surveillance role. �* , ., ~ ., , surveillance role. let's talk a bit more about _ surveillance role. let's talk a bit more about the _ surveillance role. let's talk a bit more about the balloon - surveillance role. let's talk a bit more about the balloon because obviously part of the reason we are suddenly so interested in this event is because of what happened recently. just refresh our memories, what happened with surveillance balloon that flew over the us? weill. balloon that flew over the us? well, the surveillance _ balloon that flew over the us? well, the surveillance balloon _ balloon that flew over the us? well, the surveillance balloon was - the surveillance balloon was detected at a point at which it was flying over land and there was a

risk to civilians on the ground and also generally from firing off missiles in that space, so for a period of time it was kept under observation until it was flying over shallow water, over the atlantic, at which point it was shot down, as we could see the ground past below the object, below the canopy of the balloon and the aircraft, part of it, the thing with all the equipment on it separates and apparently i understand now that has been located. it has yet to be retrieved, but people from states, who are already talking about, being quite clear already that there was equipment in use by this device which was not commensurate with what is normally installed on weather balloons and clearly had a surveillance role. interesting. ri . ht, surveillance role. interesting. right. i'm _ surveillance role. interesting. right. i'm going _ surveillance role. interesting. right, i'm going to _ surveillance role. interesting. right, i'm going to get - surveillance role. interesting. right, i'm going to get you i surveillance role. interesting. right, i'm going to get you toj right, i'm going to get you to repeat that line now because we're just people, just so you know, on the screen that balloon from a couple of days ago. to be absolutely

clear, this is not the incident that has happened just now, the object that has been shot down. this is from a week or so ago now, this was the chinese surveillance balloon that was shot down. can you repeat that was shot down. can you repeat that last sentence? because you put it quite carefully about what has been discovered about the balloon? american officials are beginning to state with confidence that the equipment that has been installed on that device was notjust what equipment that has been installed on that device was not just what you would expect to find on a weather balloon, but rather equipment with specific intelligence collection function. , specific intelligence collection function._ this - specific intelligence collection function._ this fits specific intelligence collection i function._ this fits in function. interesting. this fits in with the fact _ function. interesting. this fits in with the fact that _ function. interesting. this fits in with the fact that it _ function. interesting. this fits in with the fact that it was - function. interesting. this fits in l with the fact that it was described as being one of a series of these devices seen recently in america. three during president trump's time and one other one dean during president biden's time and now we have the american secretary of state, antony blinken, standing side ijy state, antony blinken, standing side by side with the un secretary—generaljens stoltenberg saying this part of a wider pattern of chinese aerial surveillance which has been noted in a0 countries worldwide on various different sorts

of platforms. that is interesting because it suggests that whatever this thing was that has been shut down yesterday it could be a different platform owned by another partner. different platform owned by another artner. , , , different platform owned by another artner. , , ' ~ partner. interesting stuff. while we find out any — partner. interesting stuff. while we find out any more _ partner. interesting stuff. while we find out any more details _ partner. interesting stuff. while we find out any more details about - partner. interesting stuff. while we | find out any more details about what this latest object is, we'll come back to you, matthew henderson, for the moment to thank you.— back to you, matthew henderson, for the moment to thank you. thank you. next we're going _ the moment to thank you. thank you. next we're going to _ the moment to thank you. thank you. next we're going to come _ the moment to thank you. thank you. next we're going to come back- the moment to thank you. thank you. next we're going to come back to - next we're going to come back to news here in the uk. three three people have been arrested, following clashes with police outside a hotel providing refuge for asylum seekers on merseyside. police said officers had been dealing with what they described as an "initially peaceful protest", as nick garnett reports. flames light up the dark as a police van is set on fire. initially peaceful, eventually violent, the protest called after claims about the behaviour of some people staying at the hotel towards young girls living locally. some rooms at the suites hotel have been used to house people seeking asylum. but as fighting broke out between protesters, counter—protesters and the police, all those inside could do was watch

what was happening below as officers tried to restore calm. stones, bottles and bricks rained down. hundreds of protesters were involved. a number of arrests were made for public order offences and criminal damage. eventually, after more officers were drafted in and local roads were temporarily closed, police were able to disperse the crowd. well, this is what the van looks like now. now the police are withdrawing, things have calmed down and the roads are being cleared. but rebuilding relationships here — well, that's going to take a lot longer. as most police withdrew from the area and the roads were cleared of debris, half a dozen vans with officers and police dogs spent the night inside the hotel gates to make sure things remained calm. nick garnett, bbc news, knowsley. let's talk more about this issue. with me now is migration

policy expert zoe gardner. thanks for coming on the programme. so this issue of housing and the right and appropriate accommodation for people has been a really thorny and difficult issue over the last couple of months, especially? yes. couple of months, especially? yes, it absolutely _ couple of months, especially? yes, it absolutely has _ couple of months, especially? yes, it absolutely has and _ couple of months, especially? yes, it absolutely has and we _ couple of months, especially? yes it absolutely has and we need to remember that this is a decision made by this government in 2020 is a covid safety measure to move people out of the ordinary asylum accommodation that had been used up until then and into hotels. and it is a deliberate political choice to continue to house people and hotels. everybody who works with refugees knows about their needs and their welfare has been asking the government to move people out of hotels. it is completely inappropriate form of accommodation for them and now it has become a target for organised far right violent thuggery like these awful scenes we saw last night and we have to imagine how terrified the men, women and children in that hotel who

have escaped in many cases situations of war and violence and persecution must have felt. it is absolutely unacceptable. this kind of behaviour is justified by rhetoric that comes right from the top of our government and i really hope that they will take this moment to take stock of what has happened, what this hostile rhetoric and hostile policy—making has led to and to change tack completely. qm. hostile policy-making has led to and to change tack completely. 0k, well, we don't have — to change tack completely. 0k, well, we don't have anyone _ to change tack completely. 0k, well, we don't have anyone from _ to change tack completely. 0k, well, we don't have anyone from the - we don't have anyone from the government to put their point of view right now and i'm sure they would distance themselves from any such link between them and any far right movements. i want to go back to what you said about the difference in the type of accommodation. you said previously they were housed in a different way. just flesh that out a bit. so they were housed in a different way. just flesh that out a bit.— just flesh that out a bit. so asylum seekers have _ just flesh that out a bit. so asylum seekers have traditionally - just flesh that out a bit. so asylum seekers have traditionally been i seekers have traditionally been housed in pretty low quality accommodation, it has been a problem for a long time, but at least they were dispersed around the country into communities and housed in flats and accommodation of that kind. now,

what has happened on top of the move into hotels in the last few years, is that the rate of making decisions on asylum claims are slowed right down. currently in the uk we make about as many decisions in the space of a year as a country like france or germany makes in about one month, so what that has meant is more and more people are stuck for really, really long periods in this sort of initial, supposedly temporary asylum accommodation, which is now being, hotels are being used for that purpose to attract so one possible solution, as far as you can see, is actually more resources,- solution, as far as you can see, is actually more resources, more money, to seed actually more resources, more money, to speed up _ actually more resources, more money, to speed up the — actually more resources, more money, to speed up the process? _ actually more resources, more money, to speed up the process? yes, - actually more resources, more money, to speed up the process? yes, but - actually more resources, more money, to speed up the process? yes, but it i to speed up the process? yes, but it will be a transfer _ to speed up the process? yes, but it will be a transfer of _ to speed up the process? yes, but it will be a transfer of resources, - will be a transfer of resources, really. so it costs thus far, far more to house people in these hotels for the long term, where they are not allowed to work, to study, to start integrating and rebuilding their lives and safety in our communities, so it would be a money saving scheme, actually, to transfer those resources do faster and better

policy decision—making within the asylum system, a function where people could just get through that process and not end up trapped in this awful limbo situation where they are at risk from these gangs. and further money is being wasted on, they have paid £120 million for what essentially turned out to be a press release with the rwandan government saying that they would take on asylum seekers. we are wasting millions and millions and repeated deals with the french to build a fence or patrol another beach. these have been failed policies. i don't know how many millions and billions of pounds we have poured into them over the last decades, but again and again and again we build another fence, decades, but again and again and again we build anotherfence, we pay for another patrol and the numbers of people can begin don't change because ultimately people will always seek safety in the uk, so what we need to do is change where we are putting those resources so that it we are putting those resources so thatitis we are putting those resources so that it is a system that functions for everybody. that it is a system that functions for everybody-— for everybody. 0k, we greatly appreciate _ for everybody. 0k, we greatly appreciate your _ for everybody. 0k, we greatly appreciate your analysis - for everybody. 0k, we greatly appreciate your analysis and l for everybody. 0k, we greatly i appreciate your analysis and your thoughts, zoe gardner, thank you

very much for coming on the programme. and we will endeavour to get the government's position and the government's response to some of those points raised there by zoe gardner in that interview. that is it from me, i am gardner in that interview. that is it from me, iam lewis gardner in that interview. that is it from me, i am lewis vaughan jones, this is bbc news. good afternoon. sunshine is in relatively short supply today. there is a bit of brightness out there. this was the scene earlier on for one of our weather watchers in northumberland. north—east england and eastern scotland, seeing some of the best of the sunshine because all of this cloud is feeding in from the west. so it's where you've got a bit of shelter to the east of higher grounds that you have the best chance of seeing some brightness. this is how we end the afternoon, with temperatures in parts of eastern scotland, north—east england, up to 13 degrees, but it is mild elsewhere, despite those fairly large amounts of cloud. a few brighter breaks here and there. and then overnight there will continue to be large amounts of cloud, the odd spot of patchy rain and drizzle, but where we do see clear spells for any length of time, perhaps most especially in the north—east of scotland,

and maybe parts of east wales and south west england, there could be a patchy frost, but most of us will see temperatures above freezing. now as we head into sunday, high pressure will still be with us. the centre of the high perhaps starting to drift a little further eastwards and that will allow the breeze to pick up a little bit across western and northern parts, which should help to break up the cloud and give a little more in the way of sunshine through parts of south—west england, wales, northern ireland and across scotland, particularly in the north—east of scotland, actually, seeing some sunny spells during the day, and there's confirmation of those slightly stronger winds in western and northern parts. further south and east, i think the cloud will be quite hard to shift. the winds will be that bit lighter, but it is going to be mild temperatures of 10, 11 or 12 degrees. now as we head on into monday, our area of high pressure still with us, but it continues to drift a little further eastwards. this frontal system trying to push in from the west. it's going to take a while to do so. and in the meantime, on monday, we'll have a southerly wind. and as that wind becomes a bit more of a feature, well, the cloud should tend to break up a little more.

so we should see more in the way of sunshine on monday. still feeling mild, 9 degrees in aberdeen, 12 in london and in plymouth. and then as we head deeper into the week, well, there's some uncertainty about the timing, but it does look like that frontal system in the west will eventually shift eastwards, bringing some rain, probably most likely from wednesday onwards. and once that front has moved through, we will see further wet weather at times as we end the week. but throughout it is going to stay mild with temperatures generally between 10 and 13 degrees.

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