hello, we spent weeks talking about the challenges at home but this week brought a terrible reminder of problems abroad. this morning, how can we help? disaster and the stress... the earth shook, thousands of lives lost in turkey and syria. moments of miracle among the dust. and glimpses of history this week, too. nearly a year into the conflict in ukraine, president zelensky surprised with a visit and a demand. we have freedom, give us wings to protect it. fix,

we have freedom, give us wings to rotect it. �* , . , ., ., protect it. a smaller share of taxpayer's — protect it. a smaller share of taxpayer's cash _ protect it. a smaller share of taxpayer's cash goes - protect it. a smaller share of taxpayer's cash goes to - protect it. a smaller share of taxpayer's cash goes to help| protect it. a smaller share of. taxpayer's cash goes to help the rest of the world than before. we have one big question this week... what our responsibilities beyond these shores? andrew mitchell — the cabinet minister who looks after aid for other countries is here. i've been to warsaw to speak to president zelenksy�*s closest ally — the polish president, andrzej duda about the war. labour's lisa nandy — who wants to level up the country — joins us from nottingham. but it's sunday morning — there is more to life than politics — we'll talk to one of the nation's favourite cooks, prue leith, sorry, delia, on how to live happily, die well, and learn to disagree. to add to the mix the ukrainian ambassador to the uk vadyjm prystaiko — who hatched the secret plan for president zelenskys visit, the ai expert, priya lakhani is here. and the snp mpjohn

nicholsonjoins us too. hello and a warm welcome to everyone watching in the uk and on bbc world. get a coffee and get ready — so much intersting stuff to talk to and as ever. i promise we'll talk about some things to gladden the heart in the next 60 minutes. first, let's have a look at the front pages. the main story on the bbc website, the american shooting down an unidentified object over canada. the tabloids with a variety of stories, the sunday mail about pressure on the sunday mail about pressure on the uk armed forces. and the sunday times blushing with a story about the bbc chair, richard sharpe, who

has been strongly criticised and how he got his important and influential job. john nicolson, you are a member of the select committeee of mps that produced that report on richard sharp — should he resign? i think his position is extremely difficult. he has lost the trust of the bbc staff, that is very clear, i have been deluged by messages from bbc staff saying how can he had upped the bbc any more? he broke the rules. when you sign up in thejob application you are asked if there is anything about your relationships with anybody that could cause embarrassment. we knew he was a big tory donor, had given thousands to the tory party but he didn't tell us he facilitated an £800,000 loan for

borisjohnson, the prime minister, who then gave him the job. it is all a bit banana republic. who then gave him the “ob. it is all a bit banana republic._ a bit banana republic. richard share a bit banana republic. richard sharpe has — a bit banana republic. richard sharpe has apologised - a bit banana republic. richard sharpe has apologised for - a bit banana republic. richard| sharpe has apologised for what a bit banana republic. richard - sharpe has apologised for what he said went wrong, but has denied some of the claims that have been made, what do you think the consequences are if he stays? i what do you think the consequences are if he stays?— what do you think the consequences are if he stays? i hope very much we will change — are if he stays? i hope very much we will change the _ are if he stays? i hope very much we will change the culture _ are if he stays? i hope very much we will change the culture now. - are if he stays? i hope very much we will change the culture now. i - are if he stays? i hope very much we will change the culture now. i don't i will change the culture now. i don't think you should be able to give huge donations to a political party and then be rewarded by the political party with a plum job. i hope keir starmer says that if he enters 10 downing street, will not appoint, to plumb public positions, two labour donors. priya lakhani, we're going to talk to you about al later — but you deal with government. he worked in business, would it be easier if somebodyjust cleared off? what we have seen is, as a member of

the public— what we have seen is, as a member of the public cake, i am what we have seen is, as a member of the public cake, lam not what we have seen is, as a member of the public cake, i am not speaking as a nonexecutive director of public department, it is scandal, scandal, scandal_ department, it is scandal, scandal, scandal and — department, it is scandal, scandal, scandal and it erodes public trust. we need — scandal and it erodes public trust. we need to— scandal and it erodes public trust. we need to clean up politics and we need to— we need to clean up politics and we need to look at what cleaning up means_ need to look at what cleaning up means to — need to look at what cleaning up means to the general public. given social_ means to the general public. given social media and news channels are filled _ social media and news channels are filled with_ social media and news channels are filled with this, to me with everything going on in the world, i see it _ everything going on in the world, i see it as_ everything going on in the world, i see it as a — everything going on in the world, i see it as a huge distraction. we need _ see it as a huge distraction. we need to— see it as a huge distraction. we need to focus on ukraine, the earthquake, our economy and growth, which _ earthquake, our economy and growth, which has _ earthquake, our economy and growth, which has flatlined. all of this is 'ust which has flatlined. all of this is just a _ which has flatlined. all of this is just a distraction. personally, i think— just a distraction. personally, i think his — just a distraction. personally, i think his position is pretty untenable now. vadym prystaiko, the president zelensky visit was top secret — can you tell us anything about what it was like behind the scenes to organise? very limited numbers. security, was one of— very limited numbers. security, was one of the _ very limited numbers. security, was one of the reasons _ very limited numbers. security, was one of the reasons but _ very limited numbers. security, was one of the reasons but we _ very limited numbers. security, was one of the reasons but we are - one of the reasons but we are working — one of the reasons but we are working towards _ one of the reasons but we are working towards the - one of the reasons but we are working towards the result. one of the reasons but we are l working towards the result until one of the reasons but we are - working towards the result until the very end. _ working towards the result until the very end. so —

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- i have to tell you. where the french unhappy he popped up here? there| i have to tell you. where the french - unhappy he popped up here? there had been rumours in eu circles that zelensky was going to go to paris and brussels, then all of a sudden he is in the uk? we and brussels, then all of a sudden he is in the uk?— and brussels, then all of a sudden he is in the uk? we didn't do it on --urose. he is in the uk? we didn't do it on purpose- do _ he is in the uk? we didn't do it on purpose. do people _ he is in the uk? we didn't do it on purpose. do people seek- he is in the uk? we didn't do it on purpose. do people seek his - purpose. do people seek his attention. — purpose. do people seek his attention, he _ purpose. do people seek his attention, he is _ purpose. do people seek his attention, he is an _ purpose. do people seek his| attention, he is an incredible leader by everybody�*s calculation but a political celebrity. mps were falling over themselves to get selfies with him in the back of the shot? he selfies with him in the back of the shot? , ., , ., ., shot? he is en'oying it as a former media shot? he is enjoying it as a former media person. _ shot? he is enjoying it as a former media person, he _ shot? he is enjoying it as a former media person, he has _ shot? he is enjoying it as a former media person, he has been - shot? he is enjoying it as a former media person, he has been in - shot? he is enjoying it as a former media person, he has been in a i shot? he is enjoying it as a former- media person, he has been in a movie before _ media person, he has been in a movie before he _ media person, he has been in a movie before he was— media person, he has been in a movie before he was the _ media person, he has been in a movie before he was the president. - media person, he has been in a movie before he was the president. it- media person, he has been in a movie before he was the president. it is- before he was the president. it is not the _ before he was the president. it is not the first — before he was the president. it is not the first time _ before he was the president. it is not the first time he _ before he was the president. it is not the first time he has - before he was the president. it is not the first time he has been. before he was the president. it is not the first time he has been on| not the first time he has been on tv, but— not the first time he has been on tv, but he — not the first time he has been on tv, but he is— not the first time he has been on tv, but he is also— not the first time he has been on tv, but he is also enjoying - not the first time he has been on tv, but he is also enjoying it. - tv, but he is also enjoying it. thank— tv, but he is also enjoying it. thank you _ tv, but he is also enjoying it. thank you for— tv, but he is also enjoying it. thank you for now. _

now, it's been hard to stop watching the footage of the search for survivors in turkey and northern syria after the earthquake — more than 28,000 people have died that we know about. but we can see here, the search goes on, even though the chances of survivors being found fades as the hours go by. earlier this morning gave some hope — another survivor pulled out of the rubble. filled out by a british doctor after five days. that is doctor malcolm russell from a uk rescue team. incredible to see that after all of this time. countries around the world have been scrambling to help, not least the uk. when rishi sunak became prime minister he appointed andrew mitchell to the foreign office as the ministerfor aid — even though, he'd been plain he was deeply unhappy about the conservatives' decision to cut the proportion of our national income the country sends abroad to help those in need.

to quote him precisely he said it was, "not right morally, not right polictically and against the law". mr mitchell is here this morning. welcome to you, minister. good morninu. welcome to you, minister. good morning- what _ welcome to you, minister. good morning. what is _ welcome to you, minister. good morning. what is the _ welcome to you, minister. good morning. what is the uk - welcome to you, minister. good morning. what is the uk doing l welcome to you, minister. good| morning. what is the uk doing to help northern _ morning. what is the uk doing to help northern turkey _ morning. what is the uk doing to help northern turkey and - morning. what is the uk doing to help northern turkey and syria? | morning. what is the uk doing to i help northern turkey and syria? as help northern turkey and syria? is soon help northern turkey and syria? ss soon as help northern turkey and syria? sis soon as this dreadful disaster struck at 1.17 in the morning of monday, we got hold of the turkish authorities to find out what we could do to help. we have learnt a lot of lessons since the haiti earthquake, which was a shambles. they wanted search and rescue expertise, sniffer dogs and for an emergency medical team to come. we put them into theatre as soon as we could, 77 expert firefighters from across 1a different forces with the state equipment to get people out from under the rubble. so state equipment to get people out from under the rubble.— state equipment to get people out from under the rubble. so there is a bi effort from under the rubble. so there is a big effort going _ from under the rubble. so there is a big effort going on. _ from under the rubble. so there is a big effort going on. but it _ from under the rubble. so there is a big effort going on. but it gets - big effort going on. but it gets more complicated when it comes to

syria. the images we have seen a heartbreaking, it took four days to aid to arrive from the united nations into syria, how do you explain that? nations into syria, how do you explain that?— explain that? there are four crossin: explain that? there are four crossing points _ explain that? there are four crossing points the - explain that? there are four crossing points the un - explain that? there are four crossing points the un can l explain that? there are four . crossing points the un can use. explain that? there are four - crossing points the un can use. the un is the major body to get aid across, but only one was open. that is because of the russian veto at the united nations and the crossing point was damaged in the earthquake. they got it open as fast as they could there was one lane available and the un got trucks in as soon as possible and trucks arrive significantly over the last 48 hours. but syria is more difficult than syria because it is ungoverned. it is a long time since we have talked about president assad in syria, who is a dictator of a country where there has been conflict for many times and many people believe he has had significant support from the russians, is the way he is behaving costing lives? we russians, is the way he is behaving costing lives?—

costing lives? we don't deal directly with _ costing lives? we don't deal directly with him. _ costing lives? we don't deal directly with him. we - costing lives? we don't deal directly with him. we deal l costing lives? we don't deal- directly with him. we deal through the united nations and the senior brit at the un, martin griffiths, is on the ground in turkey and syria at the moment are making sure aid gets through. britain made sure aid was given to the white helmets, they were the first responders pulling people out from under the rubble and we got money through to them so they could provide support, put petrol in their cars and get into action. i know you follow this issue very closely, is the way that president assad is behaving costing life? it is too early to say because the significant support is coming through the un. that is well coordinated and the un is in damascus and is able to deal with the syrian authorities. my information is, so far it is working comparatively well.— comparatively well. what about sanctions? _ comparatively well. what about sanctions? syria _ comparatively well. what about sanctions? syria has— comparatively well. what about sanctions? syria has been - comparatively well. what about | sanctions? syria has been under tough sanctions because a president

assad's activities. america has said hold of the sanctions for now to get relief income is the uk going to do that? we relief income is the uk going to do that? ~ ., , .., that? we will do everything we can to make sure _ that? we will do everything we can to make sure aid _ that? we will do everything we can to make sure aid gets _ that? we will do everything we can to make sure aid gets through... i to make sure aid gets through... easing sanctions? the to make sure aid gets through... easing sanctions?— easing sanctions? the sanctions affect the ability _ easing sanctions? the sanctions affect the ability to _ easing sanctions? the sanctions affect the ability to get - easing sanctions? the sanctions affect the ability to get money l easing sanctions? the sanctions i affect the ability to get money into the area and we are finding ways all the area and we are finding ways all the time to achieve that successfully.— the time to achieve that successfully. the time to achieve that successfull . . ., , ., , successfully. would it be easier if ou relax successfully. would it be easier if you relax the _ successfully. would it be easier if you relax the sanctions? - successfully. would it be easier if you relax the sanctions? the - successfully. would it be easier if i you relax the sanctions? the united states and said they will ease of some sanctions, is the uk going to follow that example?— follow that example? specifically here, follow that example? specifically here. where _ follow that example? specifically here, where sanctions _ follow that example? specifically here, where sanctions would - follow that example? specifically| here, where sanctions would hold follow that example? specifically - here, where sanctions would hold us back, we would seek to have them lifted. at the moment we are able to get what we want through and that is the key thing. we are still at the stage where people are being pulled out of the rubble, as we have seen. british firefighters pulling them out in turkey and that is the key thing to do at the moment. you may ease them as _ thing to do at the moment. you may ease them as time _ thing to do at the moment. you may ease them as time goes _ thing to do at the moment. you may ease them as time goes on, - ease them as time goes on, if needed? this all happens in the context of how the uk and other

countries help countries in need. you were, as we heard, are very vocal critic of your party's decision to cut the proportion of gdp we send to countries around the world, do you still think the government is balancing the books on the backs of the poor? irate government is balancing the books on the backs of the poor?— the backs of the poor? we made a very strong _ the backs of the poor? we made a very strong case — the backs of the poor? we made a very strong case to _ the backs of the poor? we made a very strong case to jeremy - the backs of the poor? we made a very strong case to jeremy hunt i the backs of the poor? we made a i very strong case to jeremy hunt and very strong case tojeremy hunt and the treasury for increasing the support and thanks to the additional money, 2000 £500 million spread across the next two years, we are spending more than 0.5. we will return to the 0.7 as soon as the two fiscal tests we have laid down have been met. ., ., , ., , been met. your view was it was immoral to _ been met. your view was it was immoral to cut _ been met. your view was it was immoral to cut the _ been met. your view was it was immoral to cut the proportion l been met. your view was it was | immoral to cut the proportion of been met. your view was it was - immoral to cut the proportion of gdp the uk sent to other countries. your view was it was a mistake and these are your words, the government was trying to balance the books on the backs of the poor. do you still believe that?— believe that? collective responsibility _ believe that? collective responsibility is - believe that? collective responsibility is not - believe that? collective - responsibility is not retrospective and i make clear what i thought at

the time. myjob now is to make the system work as well as possible. i am confident when it comes to humanitarian support, there is some flexibility in the budget and we are doing our stuff. bud flexibility in the budget and we are doing our stuff.— doing our stuff. and it does sound like that is — doing our stuff. and it does sound like that is your _ doing our stuff. and it does sound like that is your view, _ doing our stuff. and it does sound like that is your view, but - doing our stuff. and it does sound like that is your view, but your - like that is your view, but your position now in the cabinet stops you from saying it, is that correct? i would say my position in the cabinet now enables me to do everything from inside the tent to make sure we do everything. the ministry of defence has been incredibly helpful, we got flights off the ground from raf brize norton with 4000 thermal blankets and our stores in dubai, we have flights going from dubai into theatre to help in both syria and in turkey. there is important work going on and i am sure the audience will be interested about that this morning, now you have that position inside government, will you make the case?

can you say to our viewers this morning, when it comes to the next election the conservatives will again commit to increasing the share of money that goes to foreign aid, to getting back to that 7% target? in respect of viewers today, it is important to say the disasters and emergency committee appeal has raised £53 million, which is a remarkable tribute to people across britain. i’m remarkable tribute to people across britain. �* . ,., remarkable tribute to people across britain. �* . y., ., britain. i'm asking you about government _ britain. i'm asking you about government money, - britain. i'm asking you about government money, andrew| britain. i'm asking you about - government money, andrew mitchell? britain. i'm asking you about _ government money, andrew mitchell? i am coming to that. britton's is always the first to go in with effective help people caught up in disasters. britain is doing its stuff in terms of individual support and the government cohesive operation. in terms of the next election, we haven't done the details for the manifesto. but the position is this, as soon as these two fiscal tests laid down by the government and accepted by parliament, as soon as they are met

we will return to the 0.7 and as far as i am concerned, it cannot come soon enough. as i am concerned, it cannot come soon enough-— as i am concerned, it cannot come soon enough. you would like it to be in the manifesto? _ soon enough. you would like it to be in the manifesto? the _ soon enough. you would like it to be in the manifesto? the position - soon enough. you would like it to be in the manifesto? the position is - in the manifesto? the position is clear, as soon _ in the manifesto? the position is clear, as soon as _ in the manifesto? the position is clear, as soon as these - in the manifesto? the position is clear, as soon as these two - in the manifesto? the position isj clear, as soon as these two tests are met... i clear, as soon as these two tests are met- - -_ clear, as soon as these two tests are met... i think that is yes, but let's move _ are met... i think that is yes, but let's move on. — are met... i think that is yes, but let's move on, on _ are met... i think that is yes, but let's move on, on friday - are met... i think that is yes, but let's move on, on friday night - are met... i think that is yes, but i let's move on, on friday night many of our viewers will have seen there were violent clashes outside a hotel in merseyside, in knowsley that was accommodating asylum seekers. a police van was set alight and there have been a number of arrests. what did you think when you saw those images? we did you think when you saw those imaues? ~ ., , images? we live in a country where eaceful images? we live in a country where peaceful protest _ images? we live in a country where peaceful protest is _ images? we live in a country where peaceful protest is part _ images? we live in a country where peaceful protest is part of - images? we live in a country where peaceful protest is part of our - images? we live in a country where peaceful protest is part of our way l peaceful protest is part of our way of life and i strongly support that. but violence in the way that we saw on friday night is completely unacceptable. the on friday night is completely unacceptable. on friday night is completely unacce table. ., . ., unacceptable. the government condemn it absolutely- — unacceptable. the government condemn it absolutely. there _ unacceptable. the government condemn it absolutely. there are _ unacceptable. the government condemn it absolutely. there are accusations - it absolutely. there are accusations that the government has created an environment where sometimes feeling

against asylum seekers is stirred up, there have been accusations that it is stirred up by government rhetoric and when the home office sends asylum seekers to hotels around the country, they are not given proper support and the local community is not consulted and involved in a. do you think the government bears any responsibility is? the government has set up an environment where thousands of ukrainian refugees have been received into this country, people coming equally from hong kong and afghanistan. this is an unprecedented time in terms of britain helping people who are caught in jeopardy. britain helping people who are caught injeopardy. i have them in my own constituency in the royal town of sutton coldfield. people have been very welcoming and that is the north across the country i think but i want to make clear the violence we saw is completely unacceptable, the law will take its course and totally unjustifiable. are you concerned that there is

something in the ether at the moment that appears to have been stirred up? lots of local newspapers, programmes and mps expressed concerns about how asylum seekers have been sent to their communities, sometimes without support and sometimes without support and sometimes that has stirred up feelings. do you have any sympathy with that view? we feelings. do you have any sympathy with that view?— with that view? we have a duty to hel these with that view? we have a duty to help these people. _ with that view? we have a duty to help these people. often - with that view? we have a duty to help these people. often they - with that view? we have a duty to help these people. often they are help these people. often they are caught in desperate jeopardy but equally we have a duty to house them appropriately and work with. .. the home office is trying hard now to stop the excessive use of hotels and find different ways of placing them in appropriate places in the community and that is something the home office will achieve. let’s community and that is something the home office will achieve.— home office will achieve. let's talk now about the _ home office will achieve. let's talk now about the chair _ home office will achieve. let's talk now about the chair of _ home office will achieve. let's talk now about the chair of the - home office will achieve. let's talk now about the chair of the bbc. - home office will achieve. let's talkj now about the chair of the bbc. we have just been talking tojohn nicolson mp about it and we heard how richard sharpe made significant errors. ,, ., , ~ errors. should he resign? i think that is a matter _

errors. should he resign? i think that is a matter for _ errors. should he resign? i think that is a matter for the - errors. should he resign? i think that is a matter for the bbc. - errors. should he resign? i think that is a matter for the bbc. we | that is a matterfor the bbc. we have heard from this important committee in the house of commons led by a very senior and experienced chairman, temporary chairman at the moment, damian green. they have said what they have said. the commissioner for public appointments who has recused himself from this particular inquiry has said the commission will look carefully at the way this appointment took place, and i think we must wait for the result of that inquiry. but at the end of the day this is a decision for the bbc now. it end of the day this is a decision for the bbc now.— end of the day this is a decision for the bbc now. it is not actually, this is a decision _ for the bbc now. it is not actually, this is a decision for _ for the bbc now. it is not actually, this is a decision for the _ this is a decision for the government. let's give people a reminder of what the committee of mps found. it's there in black—and—white that he made significant errors ofjudgment and they believe that has undermined public trust in the bbc. the chair of the bbc is not an appointment for the bbc, it is made by the government, and according to the bbc charter it to somebody that can only be removed by the government. so

what would the government do? i would dispute that point. the process is one for the government, that took place and it's been reviewed by the senior select committee. they have said what they have said. the process is not complete. have said. the process is not complete-— have said. the process is not comlete. ~ , ., ., ., complete. why do we need another a art? complete. why do we need another apart? people _ complete. why do we need another apart? people know— complete. why do we need another apart? people know what _ complete. why do we need anotherl apart? people know what happened. complete. why do we need another - apart? people know what happened. we apart? people know what happened. - need to be fair to all parties including richard sharp. then actually the bbc is not a silent part of all of this. the board of the bbc will need to consider what is said and reach their own conclusions and i'm sure the government will act appropriately. at the bbc doesn't have a mechanism to do this. the bbc charter says they have to resign by written notice to the secretary of state, or if the appointment is terminated by the order in council, that's the privy council. this is up to the government, not the bbc. i think once everyone —

government, not the bbc. i think once everyone has _ government, not the bbc. i think once everyone has seen - government, not the bbc. i think once everyone has seen what - government, not the bbc. i think| once everyone has seen what they have said, it is inconceivable the bbc will not have a say. i'm not in possession of all the facts yet. we need this inquiry to take place but thenit need this inquiry to take place but then it will be a matter largely for then it will be a matter largely for the board of the bbc two make a recommendation to the government. andrew mitchell, thank you for coming on this morning. it's great to have you in the studio speaking about so many different subjects. let's see what our panellists think of that. john nicolson, andrew mitchell says we have to be fair to all parties and fair to richard sharp to let this play out. it doesn't seem like the government wants to touch this with a barge poll at the moment, what do you think? ~ poll at the moment, what do you think? . ., poll at the moment, what do you think? t . . ., poll at the moment, what do you think? . . ., ,, ., , poll at the moment, what do you think? . . ., ,, ., think? we gave richard sharp an opportunity _ think? we gave richard sharp an opportunity to — think? we gave richard sharp an opportunity to say _ think? we gave richard sharp an opportunity to say he _ think? we gave richard sharp an opportunity to say he had - think? we gave richard sharp an opportunity to say he had got - think? we gave richard sharp an opportunity to say he had got it i opportunity to say he had got it wrong, he refused to do so. i'm afraid andrew mitchell is entirely wrong and you are correct, it is nothing to do with the bbc. the bbc can't force him out, the bbc didn't

appoint him. borisjohnson appointed him, dorisjohnson made him the bbc chair while he was arranging an £800,000 loan.— chair while he was arranging an £800,000 loan. ~ . , £800,000 loan. which he denies he facilitated but _ £800,000 loan. which he denies he facilitated but he _ £800,000 loan. which he denies he facilitated but he said _ £800,000 loan. which he denies he facilitated but he said he _ £800,000 loan. which he denies he facilitated but he said he put - £800,000 loan. which he denies he facilitated but he said he put the - facilitated but he said he put the two connected... facilitated but he said he put the two connected. . ._ facilitated but he said he put the two connected. . .— facilitated but he said he put the two connected... that is dancing on the head two connected. .. that is dancing on the head of— two connected... that is dancing on the head of a _ two connected... that is dancing on the head of a pin. _ two connected. .. that is dancing on the head of a pin. if— two connected... that is dancing on the head of a pin. if you _ two connected... that is dancing on the head of a pin. if you facilitate i the head of a pin. if you facilitate a loan, apparently borisjohnson couldn't get by on his salary, struggling financially, and some distant cousin comes along and offers to help, and richard sharp facilitated that. i’m offers to help, and richard sharp facilitated that.— facilitated that. i'm interested pri a how facilitated that. i'm interested priya how you _ facilitated that. i'm interested priya how you think _ facilitated that. i'm interested priya how you think the - facilitated that. i'm interested i priya how you think the minister handled that. you were clear it is untenable because it's a distraction, do you think it would be better if richard sharp would go? no, because we are trying to clean up no, because we are trying to clean up the _ no, because we are trying to clean up the process of appointments, and to he _ up the process of appointments, and to be fair— up the process of appointments, and to be fair to — up the process of appointments, and to be fair to what i have seen a cross _ to be fair to what i have seen a cross government is you also have to ensure _ cross government is you also have to ensure you _ cross government is you also have to ensure you have a process for outgoing _ ensure you have a process for outgoing. they are not making a

decision, — outgoing. they are not making a decision, they are just saying let's have _ decision, they are just saying let's have the _ decision, they are just saying let's have the due process, let's not cut it short _ have the due process, let's not cut it short i— have the due process, let's not cut it short. i think if we are going to talk about— it short. i think if we are going to talk about process being clear and transparent, and being very clear what _ transparent, and being very clear what that— transparent, and being very clear what that looks like in the future, then we _ what that looks like in the future, then we have got to be fair to the entire _ then we have got to be fair to the entire process and hearing from andrew— entire process and hearing from andrew mitchell, that's the position of the _ andrew mitchell, that's the position of the government. what andrew mitchell, that's the position of the government.— of the government. what are they waitin: of the government. what are they waiting for? _ of the government. what are they waiting for? there _ of the government. what are they waiting for? there is _ of the government. what are they waiting for? there is a _ of the government. what are they waiting for? there is a very - waiting for? there is a very detailed report. we have seen three of four sunday times investigation is into it. what are ministers waiting for? what bits of information do they not have? the facts are abundantly clear. there is a great thing they do in government at the moment which is they keep throwing things into the long grass saying, we are waiting for an inquiry. how many do you need to determine the facts? iltrui’ith inquiry. how many do you need to determine the facts? with nadhim zahawi we saw _ determine the facts? with nadhim zahawi we saw a _ determine the facts? with nadhim zahawi we saw a process, - determine the facts? with nadhim zahawi we saw a process, and - determine the facts? with nadhim i zahawi we saw a process, and again, i'm zahawi we saw a process, and again, i'm not— zahawi we saw a process, and again, i'm not the _ zahawi we saw a process, and again, i'm not the government but i'm just

saying _ i'm not the government but i'm just saying that — i'm not the government but i'm just saying that if you talk about a process, _ saying that if you talk about a process, you need to ensure that process _ process, you need to ensure that process is— process, you need to ensure that process is now... we have to create more _ process is now... we have to create more transparency but that has to play out — more transparency but that has to play out. we more transparency but that has to -la out. ~ . more transparency but that has to .la out.~ . ., more transparency but that has to -la out. . ., ,, ., , play out. we asked richard sharp if he wants to — play out. we asked richard sharp if he wants to come _ play out. we asked richard sharp if he wants to come on _ play out. we asked richard sharp if he wants to come on the _ play out. we asked richard sharp if. he wants to come on the programme this morning but he declined. now i want to talk about ukraine, ambassador, we talked a little bit about president zelensky�*s visit this week which i think our viewers will remember seeing for such a long time, but when we've also seen these awful scenes in turkey and syria, as we approach the anniversary of the conflict, how do you keep what is happening in ukraine in people's minds? do you worry it will slip away from people's consciousness? to some extent, yes. because it's been already— some extent, yes. because it's been already a _ some extent, yes. because it's been already a year~ — some extent, yes. because it's been already a year. with _ some extent, yes. because it's been already a year. with the _ some extent, yes. because it's been already a year. with the dynamics i some extent, yes. because it's been already a year. with the dynamics in| already a year. with the dynamics in press _ already a year. with the dynamics in press and _ already a year. with the dynamics in press and media _ already a year. with the dynamics in press and media around _ already a year. with the dynamics in press and media around the - already a year. with the dynamics in press and media around the world, i press and media around the world, when _ press and media around the world, when people — press and media around the world, when people also— press and media around the world, when people also have _ press and media around the world, when people also have this - press and media around the world, i when people also have this tragedy, this is— when people also have this tragedy, this is the _ when people also have this tragedy, this is the previous _ when people also have this tragedy,

this is the previous tragedy. - when people also have this tragedy, this is the previous tragedy. we - this is the previous tragedy. we would _ this is the previous tragedy. we would love _ this is the previous tragedy. we would love to _ this is the previous tragedy. we would love to be _ this is the previous tragedy. we would love to be a _ this is the previous tragedy. we would love to be a nation - this is the previous tragedy. we would love to be a nation that i would love to be a nation that nobody — would love to be a nation that nobody would _ would love to be a nation that nobody would invade - would love to be a nation that nobody would invade but - would love to be a nation that nobody would invade but it's. would love to be a nation that. nobody would invade but it's not happening — nobody would invade but it's not happening so _ nobody would invade but it's not happening so far~ _ nobody would invade but it's not happening so far. because - nobody would invade but it's not happening so far. because of. nobody would invade but it's notl happening so far. because of this nation _ happening so far. because of this nation is — happening so far. because of this nation is a — happening so far. because of this nation is a parting, _ happening so far. because of this nation is a parting, that's- happening so far. because of this nation is a parting, that's why - nation is a parting, that's why zelensky— nation is a parting, that's why zelensky was— nation is a parting, that's why zelensky was here _ nation is a parting, that's why zelensky was here in - nation is a parting, that's why zelensky was here in the - nation is a parting, that's why zelensky was here in the first| zelensky was here in the first place. — zelensky was here in the first place. so _ zelensky was here in the first place, so these _ zelensky was here in the first place, so these people - zelensky was here in the first place, so these people here. place, so these people here understand _ place, so these people here understand what _ place, so these people here understand what is - place, so these people here i understand what is happening, place, so these people here - understand what is happening, they understand — understand what is happening, they understand the _ understand what is happening, they understand the tragedy— understand what is happening, they understand the tragedy and - understand the tragedy and understand _ understand the tragedy and understand how— understand the tragedy and understand how they- understand the tragedy and understand how they can i understand the tragedy and i understand how they can help. understand the tragedy and - understand how they can help. this help is— understand how they can help. this help is what— understand how they can help. this help is what they _ understand how they can help. this help is what they discussed. - understand how they can help. this help is what they discussed. do i understand how they can help. this help is what they discussed. do you feel that western _ help is what they discussed. do you feel that western support _ help is what they discussed. do you feel that western support is - help is what they discussed. do you feel that western support is as i feel that western support is as solid and as united as it has been? we saw for example the discussion around tanks, we talked about it a lot in the studio. germany for example was reluctant for a while, then in the end there was a decision to send tanks to ukraine. how difficult is it to keep thatjigsaw together? difficult is it to keep that 'igsaw to . ether? ., difficult is it to keep that 'igsaw touether? ., ., . ., �*, together? you are right. what's happening _ together? you are right. what's happening in — together? you are right. what's happening in turkey _ together? you are right. what's happening in turkey is - together? you are right. what's happening in turkey is will- together? you are right. what's happening in turkey is will of i together? you are right. what's| happening in turkey is will of the guard, _ happening in turkey is will of the guard, very— happening in turkey is will of the guard, very unfortunately. - happening in turkey is will of the guard, very unfortunately. whatl happening in turkey is will of the. guard, very unfortunately. what is happening — guard, very unfortunately. what is happening in— guard, very unfortunately. what is happening in ukraine _ guard, very unfortunately. what is happening in ukraine is— guard, very unfortunately. what is happening in ukraine is the - guard, very unfortunately. what is happening in ukraine is the will. guard, very unfortunately. what is happening in ukraine is the will of| happening in ukraine is the will of some _ happening in ukraine is the will of some personalities _ happening in ukraine is the will of some personalities and _ happening in ukraine is the will of some personalities and we - happening in ukraine is the will of

some personalities and we cannot avoid _ some personalities and we cannot avoid this— some personalities and we cannot avoid this tragedy— some personalities and we cannot avoid this tragedy but _ some personalities and we cannot avoid this tragedy but we - some personalities and we cannot avoid this tragedy but we can i some personalities and we cannotl avoid this tragedy but we can avoid destruction — avoid this tragedy but we can avoid destruction i— avoid this tragedy but we can avoid destruction. i hope _ avoid this tragedy but we can avoid destruction. i hope people - avoid this tragedy but we can avoid destruction. i hope people aroundl destruction. i hope people around the world — destruction. i hope people around the world understand _ destruction. i hope people around the world understand this - destruction. i hope people around the world understand this as i destruction. i hope people aroundj the world understand this as well. it's the world understand this as well. it's one _ the world understand this as well. it's one thing _ the world understand this as well. it's one thing when _ the world understand this as well. it's one thing when it _ the world understand this as well. it's one thing when it comes- the world understand this as well. it's one thing when it comes to i it's one thing when it comes to ukraine we have seen drones and technology, we have even seen the government in ukraine using social media effectively, ai is also increasingly becoming part of our lives. priya, this is your world. when it comes to disasters like the earthquake, are there things artificial intelligence can already help with? artificial intelligence can already hel with? ~ , artificial intelligence can already helwith? ~ , artificial intelligence can already hel with? ~ , help with? absolutely. if you look at three areas, _ help with? absolutely. if you look at three areas, if _ help with? absolutely. if you look at three areas, if you _ help with? absolutely. if you look at three areas, if you look - help with? absolutely. if you look at three areas, if you look at i help with? absolutely. if you look at three areas, if you look at any l at three areas, if you look at any sort _ at three areas, if you look at any sort of— at three areas, if you look at any sort of natural disaster actually, then— sort of natural disaster actually, then during and after. so before there _ then during and after. so before there are — then during and after. so before there are lots of people trying to work _ there are lots of people trying to work on — there are lots of people trying to work on predicting an earthquake, so in the _ work on predicting an earthquake, so in the fault _ work on predicting an earthquake, so in the fault line there is a rupture and waves — in the fault line there is a rupture and waves. if you have sensors at the waves — and waves. if you have sensors at the waves areas and they are speaking _ the waves areas and they are speaking to seismologist technologies, then you are using pattern— technologies, then you are using pattern recognition of previous

earthquakes, and this is occurring on cyclones— earthquakes, and this is occurring on cyclones and every natural disaster— on cyclones and every natural disaster you can think of, they are trying _ disaster you can think of, they are trying to— disaster you can think of, they are trying to use machine learning and ai trying to use machine learning and alto _ trying to use machine learning and alto predict when it might happen. we haven't— alto predict when it might happen. we haven't had the best of results, and they— we haven't had the best of results, and they have tried this in the past, — and they have tried this in the past, particularly in california where — past, particularly in california where there is lots of different earthquakes. the problem is al relies _ earthquakes. the problem is al relies on — earthquakes. the problem is al relies on lots of data and the data is under— relies on lots of data and the data is under three decades old. even giving _ is under three decades old. even giving a — is under three decades old. even giving a few seconds' worth of warning — giving a few seconds' worth of warning can stop trains to avoid them _ warning can stop trains to avoid them derailing, you can turn off your— them derailing, you can turn off your gas— them derailing, you can turn off your gas to _ them derailing, you can turn off your gas to stop the explosions. | your gas to stop the explosions. i know your gas to stop the explosions. know they your gas to stop the explosions. i know they can make big differences but what about right now? so know they can make big differences but what about right now?— but what about right now? so you think now about _ but what about right now? so you think now about image _ but what about right now? so you i think now about image recognition, so a lot— think now about image recognition, so a lot of— think now about image recognition, so a lot of people are on chatgtp, but if _ so a lot of people are on chatgtp, but if you — so a lot of people are on chatgtp, but if you think about satellite data _ but if you think about satellite data combining it with google maps, buildings _ data combining it with google maps, buildings that were previously there. — buildings that were previously there, ones that have fallen, and

trying _ there, ones that have fallen, and trying to— there, ones that have fallen, and trying to divert humanitarian aid into certain areas where there could be humans — into certain areas where there could be humans. then imagine robots picking _ be humans. then imagine robots picking through the rubble which is a lot safer— picking through the rubble which is a lot safer but even through the night _ a lot safer but even through the night using infrared technology. is night using infrared technology. [55 that night using infrared technology. is that happening now? we - night using infrared technology. is that happening now? we have i night using infrared technology. is. that happening now? we have seen robots being _ that happening now? we have seen robots being developed, _ that happening now? we have seen robots being developed, and i that happening now? we have seen robots being developed, and you i that happening now? we have seen. robots being developed, and you can look at _ robots being developed, and you can look at them and it's incredible how the technology is being deployed. companies opened up their data sets, and not _ companies opened up their data sets, and not only— companies opened up their data sets, and not only during an earthquake are you _ and not only during an earthquake are you able to use their imagery, but post— are you able to use their imagery, but post an — are you able to use their imagery, but post an earthquake where buildings have been flattened, you can then _ buildings have been flattened, you can then use that data and ai can help to _ can then use that data and ai can help to model where you should reconstruct and how you should reconstruct. it's about predicting, about— reconstruct. it's about predicting, about being able to be more accurate with your _ about being able to be more accurate with your decisions, about being able to— with your decisions, about being able to prevent loss of human life, and you _ able to prevent loss of human life, and you have this before and after. the more _ and you have this before and after. the more investment we have, we can use at _ the more investment we have, we can use n for— the more investment we have, we can

use ai for good in these circumstances. as use ai for good in these circumstances.- use ai for good in these circumstances. a ~ ., , circumstances. as you know, is it actually being _ circumstances. as you know, is it actually being used _ circumstances. as you know, is it actually being used now - circumstances. as you know, is it actually being used now in i circumstances. as you know, is it actually being used now in this i actually being used now in this rescue effort?— actually being used now in this rescue effort? ~ , , rescue effort? absolutely, so with the satellite _ rescue effort? absolutely, so with the satellite imagery, _ rescue effort? absolutely, so with the satellite imagery, image i the satellite imagery, image recognition, that is aland it is being — recognition, that is aland it is being used and there are some extraordinary company is opening up their datasets to turkey and syria to allow _ their datasets to turkey and syria to allow that to happen. if you imagine — to allow that to happen. if you imagine all of the data where people are posting on channels where they need help. — are posting on channels where they need help, where there have been issues, _ need help, where there have been issues, scraping that data an understanding what's going on, combining that with mapping and imagery. — combining that with mapping and imagery, you can understand to make your response even more targeted so the more _ your response even more targeted so the more information read into this system, _ the more information read into this system, the more information we get on the _ system, the more information we get on the ground. i system, the more information we get on the ground-— on the ground. i think when we talk about al, on the ground. i think when we talk about al. lots _ on the ground. i think when we talk about al, lots of _ on the ground. i think when we talk about al, lots of people _ on the ground. i think when we talk about al, lots of people think, i about al, lots of people think, what's it really about? should we be scared of robots coming to take our jobs? should we be scared? 0r scared of robots coming to take our jobs? should we be scared? or are we not understanding the change in

front of us?— not understanding the change in front of us? . ., ._ , ., ., front of us? there are always good actors and — front of us? there are always good actors and bad _ front of us? there are always good actors and bad actors. _ front of us? there are always good actors and bad actors. i'm - front of us? there are always good actors and bad actors. i'm excited | actors and bad actors. i'm excited about— actors and bad actors. i'm excited about the — actors and bad actors. i'm excited about the good but we need to be better— about the good but we need to be better consumers of ai so we can ask better— better consumers of ai so we can ask better questions. it better consumers of ai so we can ask better questions.— better questions. it would be bad in the music industry _ better questions. it would be bad in the music industry for _ better questions. it would be bad in the music industry for example i better questions. it would be bad in the music industry for example in i the music industry for example in stealing _ the music industry for example in stealing copyright _ the music industry for example in stealing copyright effectively. i the music industry for example in. stealing copyright effectively. the? stealing copyright effectively. they mi . ht stealing copyright effectively. they miaht not stealing copyright effectively. they might not be _ stealing copyright effectively. might not be happy about stealing copyright effectively. tip;- might not be happy about you stealing copyright effectively.- might not be happy about you bopping at the brit awards! we want to hear from you as well. i'd love to know if you have been using ai — what has chatgpt done for you? is it doing your kids' homework? or maybe yours? we will be talking about this again, and speaking to people at the forefonrt of this whole new world. email seems ratehr old fashioned but get in touch — kuenssberg@bbc.co.uk, social media,

hashtage #bbclaurak. lisa nandy — the shadow levelling up secretary is in nottingham this morning. she'll be giving a speech at labour's local government conference in around half an hour but she joins us first. mosley is not far from your constituency. we saw the pictures of terrible events that took place on friday, what went through your mind when you saw those terrible images? it is horrendous, but what i want your viewers to know first of all is that in the north of england, in places like knowsley, this is not who we are. the story of the last decade has been the story of people across this country throwing open their homes to refugees from ukraine, stepping up to support the syrian appeal. even in the last few weeks we have had people across the north of england stepping forward to put forward record donations to help with the appalling situation in turkey and syria. there are a small

number of far right activists who whip up hate and hostility in this country. we all need to speak with one voice when we say we condemn them. this is not who we are as a country and they don't speak for people in knowsley. but country and they don't speak for people in knowsley.— people in knowsley. but more broadl , people in knowsley. but more broadly. are — people in knowsley. but more broadly, are you _ people in knowsley. but more broadly, are you concerned i people in knowsley. but more i broadly, are you concerned about attitudes towards asylum seekers? because we have seen asylum seekers being dispersed, which seems a terrible phrase, but dispersed and sent to live in communities around the country where there isn't enough support and the communities are not always consulted. do you have a broad concern about attitudes? it is worse than that, the government contracts big companies to support asylum seekers. there is no support, these companies maximise the profit they make and they put people into appalling accommodation without help and support. people have been through hell and back

before they have even reached this country. it is not that they don't consult the community, they don't inform the community that is going to happen. it is a recipe for disaster. when you lay onto that you have a government that talks about an invasion in relation to immigration, you have a perfect storm, i really toxic mix that is being created. i think we can do far, far better and we can provide a properly structured plan system of immigration that is aligned to skills shortages in this country, we could provide a welcoming and supportive system for people fleeing war and persecution and live up to our international obligations and we could change the rhetoric around asylum so we no longer have a home secretary that tries to blame the government's failings on some of the most vulnerable people in the country. we can only do that with a change of government. i5 country. we can only do that with a change of government. is it country. we can only do that with a change of government.— country. we can only do that with a change of government. is it ever ok in our

change of government. is it ever ok in your view— change of government. is it ever ok in your view to _ change of government. is it ever ok in your view to protest _ change of government. is it ever ok in your view to protest about - change of government. is it ever ok | in your view to protest about asylum seekers in your constituency? some of your constituents in 2021 had complaints of asylum seekers being placed in a hotel, is it ever 0k to protest? it placed in a hotel, is it ever ok to rotest? , ., , , ., protest? it is absolutely right to sa we protest? it is absolutely right to say we want _ protest? it is absolutely right to say we want a — protest? it is absolutely right to say we want a better _ protest? it is absolutely right to say we want a better and - protest? it is absolutely right to say we want a better and fairerl say we want a better and fairer system that supports people who come to this country fleeing war and persecution. but also takes into account that often the system places people into accommodation that is totally unsuitable without informing the local community. it is why i am standing here in nottingham today where government leaders are meeting from across the country. people for a long time have been saying we want formal control, we want to take charge of our destinies. most people in this country are warm, welcoming and decent people who want to live up and decent people who want to live up to our obligations to asylum and provide support and we could do it

far better if we didn't have a government that was constantly micromanaging decisions from westminster and whitehall... i know ou will be westminster and whitehall... i know you will be making _ westminster and whitehall... i know you will be making the _ westminster and whitehall... i know you will be making the case - westminster and whitehall... i know you will be making the case for i you will be making the case for giving those powers away, you will be promising local councils you will give them lots more power, but on this particular issue, for whatever reason should councils ever have a veto against having asylum seekers housed in their areas? would you give them that power? i housed in their areas? would you give them that power?— housed in their areas? would you give them that power? i think they should have _ give them that power? i think they should have far— give them that power? i think they should have far greater _ give them that power? i think they should have far greater powers i give them that power? i think they. should have far greater powers over what happens in their communities. i will give you an example that is directly relevant to what has been happening in knowsley and the asylum system. when the afghanistan crisis happened and the taliban took control of kabul, we had lots of people fleeing afghanistan, coming here to the uk. the government was completely unable to respond to that, but leaders across greater manchester led by the mayor, andy

burnham, work together in order to respond and provide, notjust the accommodation but the support, the medical care, school places, all of the things that were needed. we didn't have any of the scenes that we have seen unfolding in knowsley because we work together, plan together and welcomes people together. we can do far better if we move power out of westminster and whitehall and that communities take charge of their own destiny. you want to do _ charge of their own destiny. you want to do the _ charge of their own destiny. you want to do the transfer of powers you argue just now, but would local councils far rather you did something else or may be alongside that you restored their budgets? since 2010 there has been a huge cut in real terms, nearly 40% has gone from local council budgets. if you really want them to do a betterjob and want them to take charge of their own destinies, would a labour government restore their budgets? actually, i am going to do something quite unusual on your show and agree with the conservative mayor of the

west midlands when he said it is time to end the dependency relationship, the begging bowl culture that has characterised the relationship between national and local government. we have released a dossier today that shows the absurdity of a situation where you have got ministers deciding who gets new picnic areas and park benches and setting up chewing gum task forces from whitehall. but and setting up chewing gum task forces from whitehall. but would you rive forces from whitehall. but would you give councils — forces from whitehall. but would you give councils more _ forces from whitehall. but would you give councils more funding... - forces from whitehall. but would you give councils more funding... to i give councils more funding... to drive give councils more funding... in drive growth. give councils more funding... to drive growth. alongside - give councils more funding... to drive growth. alongside those i drive growth. alongside those owers, drive growth. alongside those powers. would _ drive growth. alongside those powers, would you _ drive growth. alongside those powers, would you give i drive growth. alongside those powers, would you give them | drive growth. alongside those - powers, would you give them more funding? powers, would you give them more fundin: ? ~ . ., , , funding? what we will do is end this absurd hunger— funding? what we will do is end this absurd hunger games _ funding? what we will do is end this absurd hunger games style - funding? what we will do is end this absurd hunger games style bidding l absurd hunger games style bidding process where we bid for small pots of money back and line up national government budgets alongside growth plans to get every part of the economy growing. so instead of wasting huge amounts of money from whitehall on the small pots that are handed out ad hoc to whoever is in favour on the day, we will make sure

every community has growth plans and get money back into people's pockets. we were lined up the money thatis pockets. we were lined up the money that is currently wasted in whitehall behind those local growth plans and moving power out of westminster and whitehall. finally, we have been _ westminster and whitehall. finally, we have been discussing _ westminster and whitehall. finally, we have been discussing richard - we have been discussing richard sharpe, the bbc chair and a committee of mps has found he made significant errors in the way in which he presented the account of him getting thejob, does labour think he should resign? i him getting the job, does labour think he should resign?— him getting the job, does labour think he should resign? i think his osition is think he should resign? i think his position is increasingly _ think he should resign? i think his} position is increasingly untenable. there is a report that is due from the bbc and it is right that the bbc is able to publish that report and that due process is followed. but this development today is incredibly serious. the government from day one has relied on the defence that parliament preapproved this appointment. this committee is now saying, had they known the full

details and had that been disclosed to them about the relationship between boris johnson to them about the relationship between borisjohnson and the conservative party and the bbc chairman, that that situation would have been very, very different. i think that does make his position increasingly untenable and when the report is published, if those questions cannot be answered, then i think the integrity of the bbc is far more important than the position of one individual.— of one individual. 0k, thank you so much. of one individual. 0k, thank you so much- we — of one individual. 0k, thank you so much- we will— of one individual. 0k, thank you so much. we will let _ of one individual. 0k, thank you so much. we will let you _ of one individual. 0k, thank you so much. we will let you get - of one individual. 0k, thank you so much. we will let you get on - of one individual. 0k, thank you so much. we will let you get on with l much. we will let you get on with your speech which you are about to give in nottingham, but thank you for being with us. that story will move in the next few days. now at the start of the show we said it's been one of those weeks when the reality of whats happening in the rest of the world was brought home. mps filled the amazing westminster hall, to catch a glimpse and a photo of volodymr zelensky the ukrainain president — here with one powerful request — i appeal to you and the world with a

simple and yet important, combat aircraft to ukraine, wings for freedom. after stopping off in the uk president zelensky headed to paris and then brussels where he made sure to make time to speak to his closest ally throughout the war, the polish president andrzej duda. just before that, i went to warsaw to speak to president duda about his friend and ally�*s request forjets — should the west, nearly a year into the conflict, send its own fighter jets to ukraine? this interview contains some flashing images. translation: it is incredible courage they are showing. - it really deserves our deepest respect, these heroes and the whole world is witnessing it every day seeing how ukrainians are defending themselves against the russian aggression. it is not enough, however, to defend themselves. what they need is to have modern

and efficient equipment, armaments that will help them to repel the aggressor. this weaponry has to be delivered to ukraine all the time, ukraine has to win, ukraine has to repel the russian aggression. but for it to be able to do so, it needs armaments. president zelensky says now he needs jets, why not send them? in fact, he says poland has f—igs you could send? translation: f-16s are one of the best jets in the world, | so there is no doubt about how efficient they are. the problem from our point of view is a very different one. first of all, we think this requires a decision by the allies anyway, which means we have to make a joint decision. also, due to the fact that there is a very serious need for maintenance of f—igs if they were to be deployed somewhere. it is not only about the jets. you also need maintenance and technical background, technical servicing and so on and so forth. so it is not enough just to send a few planes, a fewjets. and a problem we are facing,

at least in poland, is as follows, we have the jets but they are fewer than 50. so as a matter of fact, this is our only stock of jets that we have. this poses a serious problem if we donate even a small part of them anywhere, because i don't hesitate to say we have not enough of these jets. we would need many more of them. a decision today to donate any kind ofjets, any f—igs, to donate them outside poland is a very serious decision and it's not an easy one for us to take. it took germany a long time to make up their mind about sending leopard tanks. do you feel frustrated ever that some of your allies have not been as proactive, have not been as quick to help and have not been as generous as poland has? translation: no, you cannot really talk about such things _

as being frustrated or not. a politician cannot be frustrated. i am doing what i believe is the right thing in the interests of the polish people, from the point of view of the security of our part of europe. and also the security of ukraine. because what is important to us is to make sure a free sovereign and independent ukraine survives and exists. also what is important is the russian imperialism, which is reborn, be stopped so russia here is a very strong and decisive know, so that russia is repelled. and what is your worst fear now? i mean, we already saw in november a missile come over into poland that you believe are sent in error by ukraine, but what was that moment like? did you feel this could be it, this could be the beginning of your country being threatened in a way that ukraine has? translation: i approached that event in a very calm way. - of course, i knew the missiles fell

down but we also received information that they fell very close to the border. initially, we heard there were two rockets. then it turned out it was one rocket after all. they fell close to the border and they did not hit any military targets. so it was very probable indeed that they were not aimed at the spot where they crash. but then it turned out it was simply an accident. however, of course, we do fear that some kind of an act of aggression could be carried out, some kind of provocation could be carried out against us, against poland. we are now approaching the anniversary of the war, there are fears of a new offensive from russia. what would your warning be to your allies? be to the rest of europe about what might be next? translation: first and foremost, l we need to highlight that before i the russian aggression started against ukraine, very many analytical documents which we received were saying that the war would not last longer than 72 hours,

that russia would be able to capture ukraine within 72 hours. nothing like that happened. on the 23rd of february, just a few hours before the russian aggression started, i visited kyiv where i talked with president zelensky. when we said goodbye, zelensky told me, if putin thinks he would control ukraine and that his army would enter andjust take our land, then he is deeply mistaken. you are going to see, russians will not pass through. and he was right. the west has to support ukraine today as strongly as it can, because russian imperialism, neocolonialism of russia is really dangerous. today, it poses a threat to ukraine. tomorrow, it will be the baltic states and then other countries will follow. what would you say though, to some of our viewers who say maybe there should be a compromise? maybe president zelensky should find a way of finding a resolution

because the suffering might continue? translation: already | back then when i address the united nations for the first time, speaking at the general assembly, i said the following... peace is possible only through law, only through the respect for international law. respect of international law is the best guarantee of peace. as a matter of fact, if the war is to come to an end, if russian aggression is to come to an end, that primacy of international law has to be restored. international law has to prevail, international law guarantees peace and security. according to international law, ukraine has to regain its territories which are internationally recognised, so as a matter of fact, russians have to leave ukrainian territories they occupied. and what would you say, as a leader, to vladimir putin if he was here? translation: what would

i say to vladimir putin? - i would tell him that sooner or later it has to finish badly for him, because i believe the world will be united. i believe the world will remain on the side of honesty and justice. and honesty and justice is with ukraine. if the free world and western community, western democracies, nato, the european union together with the united states bound by our atlantic ties, if they give permanent support to ukraine then vladimir putin has to lose. and sooner or later, it will mean he falls. i just want to ask you about a couple of other issues. at the moment in your country an activist, justyna wydrzynska, is being prosecuted and could be sent to prison for helping a woman get an abortion. now, many of our viewers would find that very difficult to accept, very difficult to understand. is that proportionate?

would you like to see the prosecutor drop those charges? translation: madam, _ you are asking me, as i understand, about my personal views and opinions. i am catholic and of course, because of that, i am very strong defender of life and i am an opponent of abortion. so that is all i can say about this. of course, i have always been for life, for the protection of life and i have never hiding this. and i have never been hiding this. but this is a question about the law and how the law is used in your country. i absolutely respect your views on that, but is it proportionate that in this country for the first time an activist could be sent to jail? in poland if we are speaking about the status, the legal status, the constitutional tribunal took a decision. it passed a ruling. so these are not laws which would have been passed by the polish parliament. the constitutional tribunal passed thejudgment which repealed

the provisions it considered were contrary to the polish constitution, because the polish constitution clearly stipulates protection of life. every economy around the world has been struggling to get back on its feet after covid and all sorts of other challenges, and of course, the war in ukraine has had a big effect. but now, by some measures, poland's economy is in much better shape than the united kingdom's economy. and at home, many people often think about poles coming to the uk for work. could it be that we might see british builders coming here instead of polish plumbers coming to the uk? thank you for your compliments about poland. as the president of poland, i am very grateful for them. i would like to send my greetings to all my compatriots who are living in the uk and working in the uk, working hard. because, as the brits know very well, poles are capable of working diligently and honestly. they have demonstrated that over the past few decades in the uk. if things are so good, then i encourage all my compatriots

to come to poland, to come back home and to work here. but first and foremost, i am glad that poland is represented there in the uk. i believe that my compatriots contribute well to the development of the united kingdom, the building, the british economy, the british economy as an economy of success. mr president, thank you so much for speaking to us today. it's been a pleasure. thank you. thank you very much. that was president duda of poland. i've always said that we would continue to talk about what's happening in ukraine as time goes on, and as we approach the anniversary of the conflict we'll keep having that vital conversation. in a few minutes we'll hear from the ukrainian ambassador, but let's turn for a few minutes to something completely different and welcome a dame to the programme. dame prue leith, you don't need me to tell you she's one of the country's most famous food critics and cooks who has made

chefs desperate to impress her over the years on bake—off. what you might not know is that dame prue has also been campaigning for many years on an issue that is hard to talk about — some of the most important ones often are. prue is campaigging to change the law so people can end their lives with an assisted death, and she's made a tv programme with her son, the mp, danny kruger, a conservative who disagrees with her. here's a clip. mum and i are waiting for canada's leading assisted death practitioner, dr stefanie green, to assess parkinson's patient, jan. she must decide if he qualifies for what canada calls medical assistance in dying or maid, for short. all these words are so subjective, aren't they, foreseeable, intolerable. yeah, exactly. intolerable for you might not be intolerable for me. exactly, there's a big responsibility on the doctor. welcome to the programme, prue.

thanks for being here on a sunday morning. thanks for being here on a sunday morninu. ~ , ., i” thanks for being here on a sunday morninu. ~ , ., y., thanks for being here on a sunday mornina.~ , , ., , morning. why do you feel so strongly about this issue? _ morning. why do you feel so strongly about this issue? i _ morning. why do you feel so strongly about this issue? i think _ morning. why do you feel so strongly about this issue? i think i _ morning. why do you feel so strongly about this issue? i think i got - morning. why do you feel so strongly about this issue? i think i got into - about this issue? i think i got into this when my _ about this issue? i think i got into this when my elder— about this issue? i think i got into this when my elder brother- about this issue? i think i got into this when my elder brother died, | this when my elder brother died, and he was cared for by the nhs, and it was the most horrible death. it went on for weeks and he was begging to be allowed to die, and couldn't he have some more morphine. he wasjust in incredible pain and i'm sorry to say that still goes on in any hospital, especially where there are geriatric wards, you know, it's kind of secret. the medical profession don't want to talk about it, nobody likes to talk about how horrible death can be. and i don't say it's brushed under the carpet, but it's interesting that nurses are more in favour of assisted dying than doctors, and i think that's because

nurses are the ones who have to see it happening day after day. xyour nurses are the ones who have to see it happening day after day.— it happening day after day. your son thouah and it happening day after day. your son though and many — it happening day after day. your son though and many of— it happening day after day. your son though and many of our— it happening day after day. your son though and many of our viewers - though and many of our viewers watching this morning we'lljust take a view, and many people feeling it in their gut that it's wrong to end a life earlier than one take place naturally. what would you say to our viewers who feel that? j to our viewers who feel that? i think that is an instinctive thing, that you don't want to end a life, and yes, that's fine, but actually, the person whose life... anyone can have a principled objection to assisted dying, i think nobody is taking any notice of the people who are dying. if you are terminally ill and in enormous pain, all this talk of sanctity of life is a sort of mockery. it is your life, and if you

are hating it and you desperately want the pain to stop... i mean, i'm very conscious i've had a wonderful life and a fantastic life. i don't want to end it with three weeks or three months of enormous pain and misery, notjust for me but my family and everyone around me. i think it is my life anyway, and as far as i'm concerned, i don't believe in the sanctity of human life in that religious way. but many --eole life in that religious way. but many peeple do. — life in that religious way. but many peeple do. and _ life in that religious way. but many people do, and they _ life in that religious way. but many people do, and they also _ life in that religious way. but many people do, and they also have - life in that religious way. but many people do, and they also have real| people do, and they also have real reservations about how changing the law could potentially be exploited or abused or people who are very vulnerable. or abused or people who are very vulnerable-— or abused or people who are very vulnerable. ., , , ., ., ,., vulnerable. nobody is asking anyone who disagrees _ vulnerable. nobody is asking anyone who disagrees about _ vulnerable. nobody is asking anyone who disagrees about the _ vulnerable. nobody is asking anyone who disagrees about the idea - vulnerable. nobody is asking anyone who disagrees about the idea of - who disagrees about the idea of adopting an assisted dying law. it's

an option. we are asking for people to have the choice. i'm not asking anybody who has principles that prevent them wanting to end their lives. of course they don't have to do. it's a very unfair debate. people who oppose this want to oppose it for everybody. people who want to have the law changed are perfectly happy that anybody who doesn't want it doesn't have to have it. we are not talking about compulsory euthanasia. it’s it. we are not talking about compulsory euthanasia. it's a very sensitive subject _ compulsory euthanasia. it's a very sensitive subject and _ compulsory euthanasia. it's a very sensitive subject and you - compulsory euthanasia. it's a very sensitive subject and you broach l compulsory euthanasia. it's a very j sensitive subject and you broach it in this programme with your son very honestly some of those conversations are quite difficult. do you think you will ever be able to persuade him that your argument is the right one? w him that your argument is the right one? ., ., �* ~' him that your argument is the right one? ., ., �* 4' , one? no, i don't think i will. he is very principled _ one? no, i don't think i will. he is very principled and _ one? no, i don't think i will. he is very principled and he _ one? no, i don't think i will. he is very principled and he doesn't - one? no, i don't think i will. he is. very principled and he doesn't agree with it, and he's very nervous about all sorts of things. i think he imagines a slippery slope that they will pass this law and then make it

ok. we are asking for a law that allows people who are terminally ill and dying anyway to just make that death quicker and easier and not prolong agonising. we are not talking about people with mental health and so on. he's worried that once we have one law it will be expanded but that has never happened in any other country. except perhaps canada, but that's a very funny, special case because what happened was that the courts in canada instructed their parliament to pass quite a wide law which was based on unbearable suffering rather than on terminal illness, and they didn't do that. they passed onejust terminal illness, and they didn't do that. they passed one just on terminal illness. this was challenged in the courts and they

had to go back to what they were originally meant to do.— had to go back to what they were originally meant to do. dame prue, we are going _ originally meant to do. dame prue, we are going to _ originally meant to do. dame prue, we are going to leave _ originally meant to do. dame prue, we are going to leave it _ originally meant to do. dame prue, we are going to leave it there - originally meant to do. dame prue, we are going to leave it there but i we are going to leave it there but it's been fascinating to talk to you. in the programme you and your son have a very difficult conversation but in a very sensitive and interesting way. we are grateful for your time. we are nearly at ten o'clock. ambassador, iwould just like to pick up with you on what president duda said. he was pretty clear that despite president zelensky�*s very strong request for fighter jets zelensky�*s very strong request for fighterjets to help in the war effort, it's not going to happen. were you disappointed to hear that? let's wait and see. that's what we heard about long—range artillery. i know some leaders have to say these words for the sake of the unity of the alliance. i'm not saying somebody is trying to downplay it, just trying to create a compromise

and come with some sort of good decision. 50 and come with some sort of good decision. , ., ~' decision. so you think it might ha en. decision. so you think it might happen- john. _ decision. so you think it might happen. john, should - decision. so you think it might happen. john, should fighter. decision. so you think it might i happen. john, should fighterjets decision. so you think it might - happen. john, should fighterjets be sent to ukraine? happen. john, should fighter 'ets be sent to ukraine?* sent to ukraine? yes, i think ukraine has _ sent to ukraine? yes, i think ukraine has the _ sent to ukraine? yes, i think ukraine has the right - sent to ukraine? yes, i think ukraine has the right to - sent to ukraine? yes, i think. ukraine has the right to defend itself — ukraine has the right to defend itself it's— ukraine has the right to defend itself. it's interesting that at the defence — itself. it's interesting that at the defence select committee they said tanks are _ defence select committee they said tanks are no longer necessary for current_ tanks are no longer necessary for current defence needs. thank goodness you didn't listen to them because _ goodness you didn't listen to them because they have been absolutely vital for your struggle, and of course — vital for your struggle, and of course we _ vital for your struggle, and of course we should defend ukraine. a lot of course we should defend ukraine. lot of things have changed in the last few years. something that is changing very fast is the world of artificial intelligence, priya. can you tell us one positive thing ai can do to change our lives for the better in the next year? it is can do to change our lives for the better in the next year?— better in the next year? it is in education. _ better in the next year? it is in education, the _ better in the next year? it is in education, the field _ better in the next year? it is in education, the field we have i education, the field we have been working _ education, the field we have been working on, and no more one size fits alt _ working on, and no more one size fits alt it's — working on, and no more one size fits all. it's about personalised education, using ai fits all. it's about personalised education, using al to make interventions. the reason it's so

important — interventions. the reason it's so important in the next year is we can solve _ important in the next year is we can solve a _ important in the next year is we can solve a lot— important in the next year is we can solve a lot of— important in the next year is we can solve a lot of lost learning, schools _ solve a lot of lost learning, schools and the midlands, in the country. — schools and the midlands, in the country, you ask them how have they been using _ country, you ask them how have they been using ai way before chatgtp and they will_ been using ai way before chatgtp and they will say that's how they have been _ they will say that's how they have been using it. it's trying to cover those _ been using it. it's trying to cover those learning losses we have experienced over the last three years — experienced over the last three years i— experienced over the last three years i do _ experienced over the last three years. i do think education is the answer— years. i do think education is the answer to— years. i do think education is the answer to a _ years. i do think education is the answer to a lot of our issues. so it's answer to a lot of our issues. ’sr it's about more than answer to a lot of our issues. sr it's about more than helping kids with their homework then. fih it's about more than helping kids with their homework then. oh my noodness! with their homework then. oh my goodness! it _ with their homework then. oh my goodness! it so _ with their homework then. oh my goodness! it so much _ with their homework then. oh my goodness! it so much more - goodness! it so much more complicated than cheating with your homework! if you think children are not using _ homework! if you think children are not using chatgtp to inspire their homework, you are living on a cloud! we will_ homework, you are living on a cloud! we will be _ homework, you are living on a cloud! we will be talking about it a lot more in the programme, we will all be talking about al more in the years to come. thank you so much this morning. as we've been on air this morning, rescuers in turkey and syria are carrying on the search

for survivors — here you can see what's happening now in turkey. it's an increasingly forlorn task after days in the rubble. in ukraine people face the prospect of an offensive of some kind to mark the anniversary of the war in the most terrible way. we've spent a lot of time in the last couple of months talking about all the difficulties in this country, but there are plenty of reminders right now of the challenges in so many different places in the world and the complications for politicians — as the polish president told us he wants to help. you heard andrew mitchell, who clearly personally wants the aid budget to be higher, just about walking the party line there. it's a handy reminder that politicians are not perfect but theirjobs are not easy either. you can catch up with our political leaders on iplayer from the last few weeks — rishi sunak, keir starmer,

this is bbc news, broadcasting in the uk and around the world, i'm martine croxall. the headlines. turkish police issue more than 100 arrest warrants as part of an investigation into poor building standards after the devastating earthquakes. defying the odds, a ten—year—old girl is pulled out alive from under the rubble of a collapsed building in turkey after 147 hours. this is the scene live in southern turkey, emergency teams continue their painstaking search for survivors as the number of people killed rises to more than 28,000. the us fighterjets that killed rises to more than 28,000. the us fighter jets that shut killed rises to more than 28,000. the us fighterjets that shut down a mystery object flying over canadian airspace, making it the third one to be taken out over north america in the last week.

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