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next prime minister is now considered unfit to be a member of parliament. that is what happened this week when keir starmer declared that his predecessor, jeremy corbyn, would not be representing the labour party at the next election. my guest on political thinking this week is one of those who is urging keir starmer on. steve reed, labour's shadow secretary was part of a group that tried to keep people in the labour party when many were thinking of leaving it during thejeremy corbyn years. this week he is announcing a new approach to crime, approach that attempts to vent crime, protect communities, he says that when jeremy corbyn was crime, protect communities, he says that whenjeremy corbyn was leader, labour gave the impression they were more concerned about the criminals than they were about the victims. welcome to political thinking. thank

ou, aood welcome to political thinking. thank you. good beer- _ welcome to political thinking. thank you, good beer. when _ welcome to political thinking. thank you, good beer. when keir— welcome to political thinking. thank you, good beer. when keir starmer. you, good beer. when keir starmer finally announced _ you, good beer. when keir starmer finally announced that _ you, good beer. when keir starmer finally announced that there - you, good beer. when keir starmer finally announced that there was i you, good beer. when keir starmer finally announced that there was no way back forjeremy corbyn, as someone who is a veteran for the struggle inside the party, how did it make you feel? i struggle inside the party, how did it make you feel?— it make you feel? i felt relieved, is the truth- _ it make you feel? i felt relieved, is the truth. there _ it make you feel? i felt relieved, is the truth. there are _ it make you feel? i felt relieved, is the truth. there are two - it make you feel? i felt relieved, l is the truth. there are two reasons for this, one is the necessity for keir starmer as a leader of the party to show that he has changed the party and that he will change the party and that he will change the country. that has been done. the me, my history and politics goes back to lambeth when i was first elected as a councillor lambeth had previously been run... i have seen the damage they can do. read previously been run... i have seen the damage they can do. read ted as he was known — the damage they can do. read ted as he was known in _ the damage they can do. read ted as he was known in the _ the damage they can do. read ted as he was known in the 1980s. _ the damage they can do. read ted as he was known in the 1980s. i - the damage they can do. read ted as he was known in the 1980s. i had - he was known in the 1980s. i had seen it back _

he was known in the 1980s. i had seen it back then, _ he was known in the 1980s. i had seen it back then, i _ he was known in the 1980s. i had seen it back then, i thought - he was known in the 1980s. i had seen it back then, i thought it. he was known in the 19805. i utfl seen it back then, i thought it off and we have run a pretty —— decent council after that by connecting back with communities. so when i saw him come in as labour leader, i feared that we would see a repeat of that and we did see a repeat of that with the anti—semitism, with the moving away from our roots and culminated in our worst electoral defeat in december 2019 and that is what we have had to rebuild from. so i was heartbroken whenjeremy corbyn was elected leader because i'd seen what the hard left had done in lambeth and i am relieved we are at the end of the process and a keir starmer has genuinely taken this party back, in his words made it to the political wing of the british people again which is what it needs to be. we people again which is what it needs to be. ~ ., ~ people again which is what it needs to be. ~ . ~ ., people again which is what it needs to be. ~ . ~' . . people again which is what it needs to be. ~ . ~ ., ., ., to be. we will talk about what that means the crime _ to be. we will talk about what that means the crime and _ to be. we will talk about what that means the crime and punishment, | to be. we will talk about what that - means the crime and punishment, but before we do, i cannot help point out, given how different you are, how did you go to the electorate and

say make him our prime minister? lode say make him our prime minister? we were say make him our prime minister? - were faced with a choice, if you don't like the direction it's going, to walk off the pitch and leave it to walk off the pitch and leave it to those who you don't agree with or do you stay on the page and try to win his back. do you stay on the page and try to win his back-— win his back. lets talk about what ou are win his back. lets talk about what you are saying _ win his back. lets talk about what you are saying about _ win his back. lets talk about what you are saying about crime - win his back. lets talk about what you are saying about crime when l win his back. lets talk about what | you are saying about crime when it comes to working people. it's quite a quote i read out in the introduction, labour gave the impression they were more concerned with the criminals than their victims. in what way? i with the criminals than their victims. in what way? i think we are talkin: victims. in what way? i think we are talking about _ victims. in what way? i think we are talking about impression. _ victims. in what way? i think we are talking about impression. some - victims. in what way? i think we are talking about impression. some of i victims. in what way? i think we are | talking about impression. some of it was about how the party at the point was about how the party at the point was talking about... there was too much trying to understand what had led an offender into offending, would sound like it's losing their behaviour and not enough talking about how we supported victims, understood victims, understood the need, the human need for retribution. its

need, the human need for retribution.— need, the human need for retribution. , ., , retribution. its quite a phrase, need for retribution. _ retribution. its quite a phrase, need for retribution. you've i retribution. its quite a phrase, i need for retribution. you've been retribution. its quite a phrase, - need for retribution. you've been a victim of crime, involve them a mugging case a few years back, what happened? 1 mugging case a few years back, what ha ened? .,, ., ~ mugging case a few years back, what ha ened? ., . ~ . ~ ., mugging case a few years back, what ha ened? . ~ ., ., happened? i was walking back from a barbecue, happened? i was walking back from a barbecue. it — happened? i was walking back from a barbecue, it was _ happened? i was walking back from a barbecue, it was late _ happened? i was walking back from a barbecue, it was late in _ happened? i was walking back from a barbecue, it was late in the _ barbecue, it was late in the evening, i walked around the corner in clapham in south london, two guys jumped out at me from behind the wall, put a knife at my throat, took my bag, went to my pockets, to my wallet, let's go, punch me in the stomach and ran off. i called the police, we had a police station nearby, i knew the name of our local police officer, they came in a squad car we looked around, we couldn't find anything. later on,, i got back afterwards, doing my teeth in the mirror, there was a nick on my neck where the knife had been and that is when your mind turns, thinking how much worse that could have been and

you have been assaulted, they have taken things from me, they could have caused serious physical harm, i did feel the need for retribution, i was thinking about what had led them to do this, i thought when they have just done this to me, they are probably doing it to other people, they need to be got hold of and stopped. they need to be got hold of and sto ed. ~ ., they need to be got hold of and sto ed. ~ . ._ ., they need to be got hold of and stoned, . ., ., , they need to be got hold of and stoned. ~ ., ., , ., they need to be got hold of and sto--ed.~ ., ., , ., , stopped. what way of trying to stop eo - le stopped. what way of trying to stop people becoming — stopped. what way of trying to stop people becoming victims _ stopped. what way of trying to stop people becoming victims is - stopped. what way of trying to stop people becoming victims is to - stopped. what way of trying to stop people becoming victims is to get l people becoming victims is to get people becoming victims is to get people when they are young, trying to stop them becoming, in the jargon, a career criminal. you are proposing, specifically on the issue of parenting, that in the case of someone who commits a crime, their parents could become the subject of a parenting order? the parents could become the sub'ect of a parenting «dent a parenting order? the first point ou sa is a parenting order? the first point you say is really _ a parenting order? the first point you say is really important, - a parenting order? the first point you say is really important, we i a parenting order? the first point i you say is really important, we talk about the crime escalator, serious criminal start out doing horrible crimes committed if you can catch them and divert them away the

appropriate sanction and support, you can stop them from committing those crimes in the first place, you can stop a young life becoming a cry life of crime, more importantly, people who will never become the victims because they have been stopped. if you look at anti—social behaviour, low level offending, it absolutely scars and disability aids many communities up and down this country, where people feel the wrong people are in control of the streets. we need a range of measures starts to tackle that, to give people back control of their own communities. one of those is parenting orders. one of the proposals we have come up is this. what this is is that you very often have parents whose kids are committing multiple offences but parents are not taking their parental response billeted seriously. so we will issue... we will allow the police to issue parental orders that will require a parental orders that will require a parent to go on a training course to learn how to better manage their

kids. i spoken to many parents in these circumstances, not simply punitive, because many parents in these situation are at their absolute wits end, they don't want their kids committing crimes, ending up their kids committing crimes, ending up in youth offending institutes, they want their kids to have decent lives. it they want their kids to have decent lives. , ., , they want their kids to have decent lives. , . , , ., , , lives. if these are big, strapping teenaue lives. if these are big, strapping teenage lads. — lives. if these are big, strapping teenage lads, is— lives. if these are big, strapping teenage lads, is a _ lives. if these are big, strapping teenage lads, is a parenting i lives. if these are big, strapping i teenage lads, is a parenting order really going to allow parents to get control? ., , really going to allow parents to get control? . , ., . ., , ., control? the ages that could start offendin: control? the ages that could start offending can _ control? the ages that could start offending can be _ control? the ages that could start offending can be surprisingly i control? the ages that could start i offending can be surprisingly young. ten and ii—year—olds can be offending, vanishing from home and it's at that point that you need to spot the parents to get control of them. a , ., spot the parents to get control of them. , ., ., ., them. many do and there are parenting _ them. many do and there are parenting classes _ them. many do and there are parenting classes offered i them. many do and there are parenting classes offered by| parenting classes offered by councils, but you are talking about any different which is compulsory parenting classes. you go along to mum and dad and say, right, little

johnny is now out of control and they might say something in the words of you try to sort them out, i cannot control them, which you then do. �* , cannot control them, which you then do.�* , ., cannot control them, which you then do.�* ., do. i've spoken to people in that situation and _ do. i've spoken to people in that situation and that _ do. i've spoken to people in that situation and that is _ do. i've spoken to people in that situation and that is not - do. i've spoken to people in thatl situation and that is not generally what they say, parents love their kids, if the kids are tearaways, they are committing this kind of offences, then the parents don't want the doing that. they want to know how they can better turn lives around. if we can offer more support, yes it will be mandatory, but many parents will welcome that in my experience, they want their kids to do well in life, they do not want their kids criminalised and ending up in prison and sometimes we have to help them. there are sanctions for breaking all sorts of orders, but the key point here is to help the parent by carrot and stick, to accept support that will turn kid's lives around. from speaking to parents in the circumstances, they will welcome at. imilli

parents in the circumstances, they will welcome at.— will welcome at. will use this list to - icall will welcome at. will use this list topically be _ will welcome at. will use this list topically be interested _ will welcome at. will use this list topically be interested in - will welcome at. will use this list topically be interested in going i topically be interested in going even further? —— philosophically be interested. if you don't criminologist, you will say, that family, that flat, they can say that they will fear that certain people will commit crimes. you could say millett intervene much earlier with those families, but they will some who say you are stigmatising them. that exact what we did when i was leader at lambeth council. it's not just a criminaljustice, it's also about family support and youth services, the provision of positive activities of young people to do. a long time ago in 2006, over that year 067 three teen homicides, any

number of other kids getting involved in gangs, open drug dealing on the streets outside the translations, businesses closing down, people are frightened to go into those areas, we had to do something about it. we actually committed the biggest piece of research that has been done into the causes of violent youth crime and structured a series of interventions around that. there were many of them, we don't have time to go and all of them, one of them was early intervention with families and supporting families. quite often that support came from better for those families if it was into somebody who is living the same life in the same community. we had a programme called home start, which got parents living in a similar community from a similar background and some cecily parenting kids linking them with families that were struggling to give them advice. they have family was appointed to provide support to the family and it really made a difference. you support to the family and it really made a difference.— made a difference. you grew up oliticall made a difference. you grew up politically in _ made a difference. you grew up politically in lambeth _ made a difference. you grew up politically in lambeth but i made a difference. you grew up politically in lambeth but it's i made a difference. you grew up| politically in lambeth but it's not where you grew up, you grew up in watford. let's talk about your

family. from st albans, quite posh actually. it's a commuter place for people travelling into london for well—paid jobs. people travelling into london for well—paidjobs. so people travelling into london for well—paid jobs. so yours was not a tough, rough, red wall bringing? it certainly wasn't tough and rough i wouldn't say that. my parents, it wouldn't say that. my parents, it would be fair to characterise it like that. what happened is, there is a analogy of what happened in those committees in the north where industry was taken away and nothing was put back in their place, that is the red wall. we were more of a red brick, we were living in the south and obviously the same circumstances didn't apply as in the form industrialised areas, but my family all worked in a print factory in wattled, my dad worked there, all of my uncles worked there all of my undies worked there the intention was i was growing up and i was going

to work there as well, grandparents would work there as well, it was the epicentre of our community. that you thou~ht epicentre of our community. that you thought that — epicentre of our community. that you thought that would _ epicentre of our community. that you thought that would be _ epicentre of our community. that you thought that would be your _ epicentre of our community. that you thought that would be your life? i i thought that would be your life? i was told this was going to be my life, because it was a decentjob, decent wage, a secure sense of who you were, whatjob you were going to do, i was brought up speaking the language of printer, printing and print works, we did some holidays with people from the factory, we had christmas parties for the kids in the factory. i got parents worked in the factory. i got parents worked in the factory. i got parents worked in the factory as well, it was our lives. �* , , ., the factory as well, it was our lives. j , ., i. the factory as well, it was our lives. j , ., the factory as well, it was our lives. , ., , lives. by the bite on your case is that ou lives. by the bite on your case is that you change _ lives. by the bite on your case is that you change your _ lives. by the bite on your case is that you change your mind, i lives. by the bite on your case is that you change your mind, it i that you change your mind, it closed? , ., . , ., , closed? during the thatcher years, 'ust as closed? during the thatcher years, just as happened — closed? during the thatcher years, just as happened in _ closed? during the thatcher years, just as happened in many - closed? during the thatcher years, just as happened in many parts i closed? during the thatcher years, just as happened in many parts of. just as happened in many parts of the north, it closed down. and all of those people in my family who worked there lost theirjobs and they have been working there for several generations. i would they have been working there for several generations. iwould have been the third generation going there if that had happened and for those people nothing was put in its place. it was a microcosm of having

a steelworks closed down or having a pit closed down because our whole community, i whole life centred around this one place and people's lives are fell apart, if i'm honest. is at the first time you thought, in your opposition to what you could blame margaret thatcher four in 1982, we are to say it was owned by robert maxwell who was a labour supporter for his whole life, a former boss of the mirror? {lit supporter for his whole life, a former boss of the mirror? of course i was former boss of the mirror? of course i was angry — former boss of the mirror? of course i was angry because _ former boss of the mirror? of course i was angry because i _ former boss of the mirror? of course i was angry because i was _ former boss of the mirror? of course i was angry because i was a - former boss of the mirror? of course i was angry because i was a teenager at this point i could see what was going on happened in the country, i was seeing people's lives and livelihoods being taken away stop the queue but is it you should not be anti—change, but there was nothing put in its place, there was in no industrial strategy, no training for the newjobs that had come and replaced it, people were thrown on the scrapheap. so i saw talented, compassionate, caring people that i loved enormously have their lives are thrown away. i felt

that profoundly. ifelt their lives are thrown away. i felt that profoundly. i felt a government that profoundly. i felt a government that allows this to happen is not a government i want to sport. this is when ijoined the labour party, age 16. ijoined the labour party. there 16. i “oined the labour party. there was 16. ijoined the labour party. there was another _ 16. ijoined the labour party. there was another reason _ 16. ijoined the labour party. there was another reason why _ 16. ijoined the labour party. there was another reason why you i 16. ijoined the labour party. there was another reason why you became more and more political and you will open a badge of politics, but you won't open for many years about the reason, deep personal reason? mr; reason, deep personal reason? iii sexuality, reason, deep personal reason? m1 sexuality, because i grew up gay and i was still coming to terms with it in my teenage years. in that year it was the era of aids, you saw tv adverts with headstones collapsing telling you not to die of ignorance. i was terrified of all about. leave aside the other social pressures on you, i didn't come out until my 20s. by you, i didn't come out until my 20s. by the time i was coming to terms with who i was there was the thatcher government enacting legislation, section 28, was part of

it that gratuitously describing gay relationships as pretend family relationships, banning children being taught about sexuality in schools kids like me growing up gay, no one could speak to about it, when you get your information from? you just had negative things, youth or negative stereotypes. you just had negative things, youth or negative stereotypes.— negative stereotypes. you talked about growing — negative stereotypes. you talked about growing up _ negative stereotypes. you talked about growing up gay _ negative stereotypes. you talked about growing up gay during i negative stereotypes. you talked about growing up gay during a i negative stereotypes. you talked i about growing up gay during a tour if you will hate and you should have your wedding ring, because you got married, it would be fair to point out that only thanks to a conservative led government that you were able to get married, it was david cameron's marriage that legislated gay marriage. yes but most tory mps _ legislated gay marriage. yes but most tory mps voted _ legislated gay marriage. yes but most tory mps voted against i legislated gay marriage. yes but most tory mps voted against it. | legislated gay marriage. yes but i most tory mps voted against it. the story here is that it's a story of why politics matters, people often say to me, you are knocking on the doors you will get people who say they don't want to vote. it can be more profoundly, there i was, on marches outside parliament against section 28 and then, some years later i was in parliament, almost

the very first mate i spoke in and voted on was the equal marriage. now i have a wedding ring on my finger because i finally loves you got married to a long—term partner, now husband, what a story of change, transformation of our country, but also personally for me could have been more profound than i am now allowed to openly love the person i love. it couldn't be more profound and yet we had a government telling me i wasn't allowed to be who i was, i was second—class, my relationship didn't count, i can tolerate that. my didn't count, i can tolerate that. my experience was that the conservatives in the recession allowed my family and my community to sink with no support for them to pick up the pieces all contribute in the way that they wanted to. but also, they were trying to stop me loving the person i loved gratuitously, so i'm no conservative.— gratuitously, so i'm no conservative. ~ . , . ., gratuitously, so i'm no conservative. . _ ., ., conservative. which is clear and eo - le conservative. which is clear and people often — conservative. which is clear and people often mother _ conservative. which is clear and people often mother in - conservative. which is clear and i people often mother in parliament. briefly, before we return to your response abilities and there is

another cause, which for some people is an exact parallel with gay rights, it's the issue of trans rights, it's the issue of trans rights and for some it is exactly that sort of issue, standing, empathising with fighting people who feel victims there are others and are disgusted at length last week who say it's a bit different because trans rights can intrude in second circumstances on women's rights. do you think the labour party on this issue has to move a bit because the labour party has not been very clear on the broader issue that women's rights in other safe places could be at risk? $5 rights in other safe places could be at risk? 1 , ,, ., ., rights in other safe places could be atrisk? a ,, ., ., . , . at risk? as the shadowjustice secretary i've _ at risk? as the shadowjustice secretary i've been _ at risk? as the shadowjustice secretary i've been pretty i at risk? as the shadowjustice i secretary i've been pretty crystal clear on that one. i've said you not going to put someone who rapes women in women's prison i think what has happened in the labour party is that people were trying hard not to cause

offence to the trans community and then inadvertently caused concern amongst some women that we weren't properly respectful of their interests too, but we absolutely are. and it's always going to be about balancing rights and responsibilities, but protecting the rights and interests and safety of women and needs to be paramount for all of us. ., , , women and needs to be paramount for all of us. . ,, , women and needs to be paramount for allof us. _, all of us. perhaps it is also something _ all of us. perhaps it is also something to _ all of us. perhaps it is also something to do _ all of us. perhaps it is also something to do with i all of us. perhaps it is also something to do with a i all of us. perhaps it is also i something to do with a razor use all of us. perhaps it is also - something to do with a razor use at the beginning of this interview when you say that keir starmer wanted to be the arm of the british people, representing first used by tony blair, incidentally all of those years ago. do you see the position you havejust years ago. do you see the position you have just outlined, years ago. do you see the position you havejust outlined, the position you havejust outlined, the position you havejust outlined, the position you have talked about on crime, punishment and so on as reconnecting the labour party with the sort of voters who had concluded that you were really about avocado eating, guardian reading, you know, all of the insults that were sometimes

used, not my lungs let me stress, but the land which i suspect is and will be used by the tories's new vice chancellor. fight; will be used by the tories's new vice chancellor.— vice chancellor. any little party that cannot _ vice chancellor. any little party that cannot win _ vice chancellor. any little party that cannot win the _ vice chancellor. any little party that cannot win the support i vice chancellor. any little party that cannot win the support of. that cannot win the support of enough british voters to get in into government isn't ever going to government. you are not a party of government. you are not a party of government and you just about your purchase. we need to be a vehicle of the british people to make the change, that is what is meant by the british movement the british people. but what might happen is that you abandon all values and leave to get elected. let's look at your remit, when keir starmer ran for leader, he was asked if he would decriminalise danica miss —— like if he would decriminalise cannabis and he replies you wouldn't immediately saying he would beam in favour of a more relaxed attitude, he went on to say he supported schemes where when people were not arrested for cannabis possession. aha, people were not arrested for cannabis possession.- people were not arrested for

cannabis possession. a lot of people don't immediately get _ cannabis possession. a lot of people don't immediately get rest - cannabis possession. a lot of people don't immediately get rest for i don't immediately get rest for small—scale possession, but i'm responsible for that policy area, my experience of seeing kids die on the streets of south london because of their involvement with drug dealers and drug gangs and the fear, the horror that i saw in the parent's eyes when i met them afterwards tells me we are not going to be legalising drugs, what we need to do is give those kids better alternatives to getting involved in the kind of gangs that will destroy their lives while they destroy the community around them. you their lives while they destroy the community around them. you will work with yvette cooper, _ community around them. you will work with yvette cooper, the _ community around them. you will work with yvette cooper, the shadow- community around them. you will work with yvette cooper, the shadow home | with yvette cooper, the shadow home secretary, she declined to say that when she younger she had smoked cannabis or not, do you think we have a right to know the answer that question? have a right to know the answer that ruestion? ., . ., , ., ., question? you certainly have a right to ask it. i did _ question? you certainly have a right to ask it. i did once _ question? you certainly have a right to ask it. i did once at _ question? you certainly have a right to ask it. i did once at university i to ask it. i did once at university but i didn't like it and i didn't do it again. i've never smoked cigarettes. it's a thing i regret.

on drug policy you are clear, i couldn't help noticing you also talking about something more interesting, a trauma informed criminaljustice interesting, a trauma informed criminal justice system, interesting, a trauma informed criminaljustice system, just start by telling us what that means? it by telling us what that means? ut sounds drug on a stick stop what we're trying to tackle here is how do you crime at the source, you stop it happening so that don't become criminals all the way through their lives? and if you look at a lot of criminals, hardened criminals, or even lower offenders, it often stems from experience very early on in their life, so the language used for this is childhood trauma, adverse childhood experiences is some of it as well. what that means is, if a kid is born into a family where there is domestic violence happening and they as they start to develop consciousness they see violence in the home or there is a parent addicted to drugs, who cannot give

them the love and attention that they need when they need it, that effects that child's cognitive and emotional development and it can also affect their sense of right and wrong, so they don't have the same sense of right and wrong as most other peoples would have and that makes them more likely to go to crime, so by tackling that trauma, and intervention as we were talking about before, family support, helping to stop those traumatic experiences becoming hard—wired into a brain, as a child develops, you can make it less likely that they offend. , �* ., , ., offend. isn't there a tension, almost a _ offend. isn't there a tension, almost a contradiction, i offend. isn't there a tension, i almost a contradiction, between talking about trauma of someone who carries out a crime and on the other hand saying, look, we mustn't pay too much attention to what causes the crime, we need to worry about the crime, we need to worry about the victims? ihla the crime, we need to worry about the victims?— the victims? no contradiction at all, none whatsoever. _ the victims? no contradiction at all, none whatsoever. what i the victims? no contradiction at i all, none whatsoever. what we're seeing here is in some circumstances

an individual that has had his dramatic experiences early on in their life goes on to offend, but most do not. so there is an element of choice. and people making bad choices who go on to cause harm to society, then we do need to deal with that choice that they have made, but, as i was saying about my own experiences, for that i wanted punishment for people that held me “p punishment for people that held me up with a knife, i'd much rather never have been held up that knife at all. so if there is an opportunity to intervene early on in a child's to element common to stop them becoming criminalised, why would you not do that? because you were stopping people becoming victims of crime. why would you not do that. ., , victims of crime. why would you not do that. .,, my ., victims of crime. why would you not dothat. .,, ., do that. people say a phrase, a sloaan do that. people say a phrase, a slogan could — do that. people say a phrase, a slogan could sum _ do that. people say a phrase, a slogan could sum this - do that. people say a phrase, a slogan could sum this up, i do that. people say a phrase, a | slogan could sum this up, tough do that. people say a phrase, a i slogan could sum this up, tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. it is, you are right. that is tony blair's prize dummett phrase 30 years ago. he came up with that, we need to take a slogan and make it

meet the challenges of the years to come. ., ., ., ., . ., come. you are apologetic about it bein: a come. you are apologetic about it being a reworking, _ come. you are apologetic about it being a reworking, do _ come. you are apologetic about it being a reworking, do you - come. you are apologetic about it being a reworking, do you call i being a reworking, do you call yourself a blairite? i being a reworking, do you call yourself a blairite?— being a reworking, do you call yourself a blairite? i “oined the labour party h yourself a blairite? i “oined the labour party age _ yourself a blairite? i “oined the labour party age 16 i yourself a blairite? ijoined the labour party age 16 before i yourself a blairite? ijoined the i labour party age 16 before anyone had ever heard of tony blair, i always consider my sub just labour. we have had various leaders, i hugely respect tony blair and the changes he made. [10 hugely respect tony blair and the changes he made.— hugely respect tony blair and the changes he made. do you understand, brinuain changes he made. do you understand, bringing this — changes he made. do you understand, bringing this full-circle, _ changes he made. do you understand, bringing this full-circle, some - bringing this full—circle, some people this week supported jeremy corbyn find that very hard to take 20 years ago this week he was out on the streets campaigning against the iraq war, pursued by tony blair, broad point would bejeremy corbyn's analysis proved to be right on a whole host of issues and tony blair's proved to be wrong. i whole host of issues and tony blair's proved to be wrong. i don't arree blair's proved to be wrong. i don't agree that — blair's proved to be wrong. i don't agree that for _ blair's proved to be wrong. i don't agree that for a _ blair's proved to be wrong. i don't agree that for a second, _ blair's proved to be wrong. i don't agree that for a second, tony i blair's proved to be wrong. i don't| agree that for a second, tony blair was elected per minister in 1987, won three elections in a row and transform this country, made it

stronger, wealthier, reduce crime, improve schools. jeremy corbyn lost two elections catastrophically and left labour unelectable. no comparison.— left labour unelectable. no comparison. left labour unelectable. no com-arison. ., 1' , . ., comparison. thank you very much for “oininr me comparison. thank you very much for joining me on — comparison. thank you very much for joining me on political— comparison. thank you very much for joining me on politicalthinking. i joining me on political thinking. not a phrase that he would use, not a very that keir starmer would use, but there is a growing sense that labour is going back to the future. back, they say, to a connection with working class voters whose the party was founded by and to represent. there is a danger that those very voters may say that isn't what you were saying to us for mac is a you were saying to us for mac is a you were arguing forjeremy corbyn to be our prime minister. how that plays out could shape much of the next yearin out could shape much of the next year in british politics. thank you for watching.

hello there. we've seen a lot of cloud streaming our way today on a westerly breeze. earlier on, the best of the sunshine was across northern parts of scotland. other parts of scotland have seen some cloud and some rain. that will pull away this evening and overnight. and many other parts of the country will become dry as well. a few breaks in the cloud, perhaps the best of those probably in northeast scotland. so the risk of some icy patches here with temperatures close to freezing. otherwise those numbers are more comfortably sitting at around seven or eight degrees. tomorrow will be a windy day in scotland. we'll see the cloud thickening. some rain at times, very different day in northern scotland. that rain will be heavy at times. we've got a cloudier picture across northern ireland, northern england. it may well stay dry. further south brighter, more in the way of sunshine than we've had today across southern parts of england and south wales. another mild day temperatures. 11 to 13 degrees. so those temperatures are a little bit higher than they were today in scotland, despite that stronger west to south—westerly wind which will be touching gale force in the far north—west of scotland later on.

and we'll see that rain moving away from northern areas of scotland, the northern isles. and then the second weather front slips down into the northern half of scotland. to the south of that, we still have a lot of cloud around. many places may well be dry overnight and a pretty mild one. the lowest temperatures probably across east anglia and the south east of england after those high temperatures during the day. heading into the beginning of next week, we still have this very mild west to south—westerly wind. along that temperature boundary, of course, we find a weather front that will get stuck in scotland and there is quite a deep area of low pressure well to the north of scotland, that will bring some windy weather overnight. first thing on monday morning, the winds could be touching gale force. it'll be a breezy day. elsewhere across the country, we've got the weather front bringing that patchy rain across central parts of scotland and to the south a lot of places will be dry. there'll be a lot of cloud. probably the best breaks in the cloud, eastern england and eastern parts of wales. and those temperatures still sitting around 11 to 13 degrees. so we have a mild start to the new week. it'll probably be mild into tuesday as well. middle part of the week could see a little bit of rain arriving

and then the wind direction changes and things will cool down just a little bit. so these are our city forecasts over the week ahead and you can see how those temperatures do drop away a bit later on in the week. not desperately cold and we start the week with temperatures as high as 1a or even 15 celsius. hello there. in the aftermath of storm otto, there are still lots of people

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