good morning. sometimes it feels like not that much is changing, and then sometimes it happens all at once. she is off. in my head and in my heart, i know that time is now. nicola sturgeon, a fixture in british politics for nearly a decade has quit. even though this was a not

so long ago. there is plenty in the tank at the moment. the labour leader showing someone else at the door, an effort to draw the line under the recent past. jeremy corbyn will not stand for labour — jeremy corbyn will not stand for labour at — jeremy corbyn will not stand for labour at the next general election. the prime _ labour at the next general election. the prime minister would love to do the same. moving on after years of brexit arguments. a deal on northern ireland is not yet done but feels that it ireland is not yet done but feels thatitis ireland is not yet done but feels that it is just about in reach. we are engaging in those conversations with the european union. next week? all the time and we have been for a while. but there is still work to do. so we have one big _ but there is still work to do. so we have one big question _ but there is still work to do. so we have one big question this - but there is still work to do. so we l have one big question this morning, are we waking up to a new political world? penny mordaunt, leader of the house of commons, who wanted to be her party's leader too is here. the woman who would be labour's home secretary is, too — with a new promise to crack down on bad behaviour. hollywood royalty huthackman tells

us about masculinity, marvel movies and why time's up for the monarchy in australia. it will become a republic at some point. it feels natural. with me to chew it over — the conservative wendy morton, who had the unfortunate job of being liz truss' chief whip. author bill browder who says vladimir putin needs to be contained. and the leader of the snp at westminster, stephen flynn, for whom nicola sturgeon was an inspiration. hello and thank you forjoining us. it's another busy morning. and rishi sunak will be waking up to more helpful advice from a former prime minister. last time, it was liz truss on tax, this morning, borisjohnson. well, sources close to him enjoying telling the papers brexit

mustn't be watered down, as number 10 hopes to have a deal over northern ireland in the next few days. let's look at those front pages. that story is on the front of the sunday telegraph. the sunday express warning the uk's forces are broken. we'll chat about that with penny mordaunt a bit later. the next lot, interestingly, the scottish mail on sunday reports on a snp plot by those close to nicola strugeon trying to install their favoured candidate. we'll get into that as well. the sunday times talking about the threat from iran and the sunday mirror a story about katie price and her son, harvey. you said nicola sturgeon was your inspiration, you lead the snp in westminster. when did you hear she was going to quit? she was indeed an inspiration for me and so many others. i found she was indeed an inspiration for me and so many others. ifound out early on wednesday morning what was to come that day and like everyone i was very disappointed. did

to come that day and like everyone i was very disappointed.— was very disappointed. did you feel this appointment, _ was very disappointed. did you feel this appointment, shop, _ was very disappointed. did you feel this appointment, shop, had - was very disappointed. did you feel this appointment, shop, had there| this appointment, shop, had there been any discussion? shock, disappointment, iwas been any discussion? shock, disappointment, i was gutted. she was an inspirational leader of the scottish government. her warmth, humility, honesty was all on show on wednesday as it has been. to see her step away was deeply disappointing. some people and she acknowledge this, saw her as divisive. do you think it is important, will it be difficult for the party to move on? there is always that inevitability, the more you are at the front nine, people will draw conclusions on who you are. this is an exciting moment, we have an opportunity for change, i look forward to see who will come forward and hopefully we can move forward. wendy, nicola sturgeon is a huge figure in british politics. the conservatives portray her as a

bogeyman. keir starmer this week saying jeremy corbyn won't stand for the labour party. conservatives like to portray him as a bogeyman. is the ground shifting? certainly big changes- — is the ground shifting? certainly big changes. you _ is the ground shifting? certainly big changes. you used - is the ground shifting? certainly big changes. you used the - is the ground shifting? certainly big changes. you used the word j big changes. you used the word divisive — big changes. you used the word divisive for _ big changes. you used the word divisive for nicola sturgeon for her politics— divisive for nicola sturgeon for her politics irr— divisive for nicola sturgeon for her politics in scotland. what i hope we will see _ politics in scotland. what i hope we will see is _ politics in scotland. what i hope we will see is less divisiveness and more _ will see is less divisiveness and more willingness to work together and deliver for the people of scotland and the united kingdom. last week— scotland and the united kingdom. last week was a recess week when pariiament— last week was a recess week when parliament wasn't sitting, yet this was happening. some of those things we wiii— was happening. some of those things we will have to wait and see. it we will have to wait and see. it feels — we will have to wait and see. it feels like there are some shifts happening across the bigger political spectrum. the _ political spectrum. the backdrop to all of this internationally is grim. defence leaders and world leaders have been meeting in munich as we approach the

anniversary of the conflict in ukraine. you have been warning about vladimir putin for years. how do you explain the danger to all of us as you see it? putin has stated clearly that ukraine is his first stop, this is a war notjust ukraine is his first stop, this is a war not just with ukraine is his first stop, this is a war notjust with ukraine but the west. he has nuclear weapons. he is telling us his intentions which are bad and we had to do everything possible to contain him. the ukrainians are doing all of the really bad work, they're dying on the battlefield, for us, and we should do everything to help them. what about that later. more from our stephen, bill and wendy later. we, of course, want to hear from you at home too. what difference do you think this week has made to uk politics?

with so much shifting, we'll hear in a sec how the government answers all of that. but first, let's talk about ministers�* concerns over how the police have been investigating the case of the missing mother nicola bulley in lancashire. the home secretary asked them to explain why the police there decided unusually to release private information about her life. penny mordaunt is the leader of the house of commons now but was the minister for women in a previous role. what did you think when you heard what had happened, the police had released this information? it is quite shocking. both the prime minister and home secretary are right to raise concerns. the first thing ifelt right to raise concerns. the first thing i felt was for her family. it is bad enough having had your loved one go missing but to have had all the additional drama that has accompanied this tragic case is horrific. it does grate with a lot

of women, we have to put up with sexist behaviour in all kinds of settings. to have it play out in this kind of environment is why people are so upset. do you think the police have displayed sexism in the way they have dealt with this case? i think they clearly were motivated to try to explain why this case is a complex one. but i think there are serious questions to be asked about why they wanted to reveal particular information. there is a review but it is an internal review, lancashire police are marking their own homework. the most important thing in this is they find her. that is what all efforts should be focused on. i hope that many get some peace soon. let us talk about defence, and the threat from vladimir putin, one year into the conflict in ukraine. us

defence secretary, you care passionately about defence. if we are in such a dangerous moment as bill browder has said, why can't the defence secretary get the money he wants? wa nts ? we a re wants? we are coming up to the budget. in the autumn statement chancellor said we would be increasing defence spending. i would say to anyone worried about this, look at what the prime minister has said, what the chancellor has said in the past, in fairly recent history he was wanting to increase defence spending up to 3%, and ben wallace has never been shy in saying what our armed forces need. we have always protected defence spending even in the nightmare situation we inherited in 2010. iam 2010. i am confident we will do so. newspapers are full of warnings from former generals, one saying our armed forces are broken, questioning our ability to defend ourselves. defence has had a real terms cut,

even though the budget has been creeping up. we had this contradiction of rishi sunak yesterday saying we have to double down. wouldn't that be better if that meant significantly more money for defence? we will have to see whatjeremy hunt saysin we will have to see whatjeremy hunt says in the budget but we have made commitments we will increase defence spending, and there is the operational budget which will come from the treasury. we also had to keep the core defence budget strong. the task ben wallace has is notjust keeping everything going and supporting ukraine. he has got to modernise our armed forces and that means we have to double run, rebuild new technologies but also keep our current operations strong. would you like more money for defence? last time when you are running the leader you did want more money. running the leader you did want more mone . ., y running the leader you did want more mone . ., , ., , , . running the leader you did want more mone. ., , ., ,, . ., .,, money. from my maiden speech onwards i have money. from my maiden speech onwards i have always _

money. from my maiden speech onwards i have always been _ money. from my maiden speech onwards i have always been an _ money. from my maiden speech onwards i have always been an advocate _ money. from my maiden speech onwards i have always been an advocate for- i have always been an advocate for strong defence spending and we should neverforget strong defence spending and we should never forget this strong defence spending and we should neverforget this is strong defence spending and we should never forget this is the first duty of any government. a critical time as the prime minister said. we have to give ukraine the tools to finish thatjob. we will be giving them more support than we have,in giving them more support than we have, in the next few months. we have, in the next few months. we have to do that. of course we will ensure we have the resources. should that include fighterjets? the prime minister said nothing was off the table but the signals of it happening have not been strong. should it include fighterjets? nothing is off the table. the prime minister has asked the defence secretary to look at all the request from the ukrainians. we are doing a huge amount and our focus is, from the ukrainians. we are doing a huge amount and ourfocus is, yes, the immediate future, ensuring ukraine can have victory swiftly. but it is also about the long term as well. as a former defence secretary is it

your view they should get fighter jets? jets ? we have jets? we have to look at what capabilities will be useful to them now. they say it is fighter jets. will be useful to them now. they say it is fighterjets. irate will be useful to them now. they say it is fighterjets. they say it is fighter 'ets. we are trainin: they say it is fighter 'ets. we are training pilots. h they say it is fighter 'ets. we are training pilots. we _ they say it is fighterjets. we are training pilots. we are _ they say it is fighterjets. we are training pilots. we are looking i they say it is fighterjets. we are training pilots. we are looking atj training pilots. we are looking at what other nations are doing. it has not been taken off the table. the defence secretary is looking at what will be useful now as well as looking at helping them plan the shape of their armed view armed forces. brexit now, rishi sunak is trying to get a deal with the eu to fix problems with these arrangements in northern ireland to guarantee against having a closed border, the protocol. you were part of vote leave alongside borisjohnson, is it annoying he is getting involved again? i don't think this is an unhelpful intervention. the prime minister

would give credit to his predecessors for enabling us to get this far. we have the bill, and the command paper produced at the time. in part it is because of that that we are now able to have these negotiations and the eu is talking about things that previously it said it wouldn't. it is not unhelpful for boris johnson to say, you better not watered down my brexit deal, at a sensitive time? it is a reminder to the eu, the bar they have to get over. ultimately it is not really about what boris johnson or any members of the house of commons think about a deal. it is what the people of northern ireland think. it is for rishi sunak, if he gets the deal come at you, borisjohnson, will have to vote for it in the house of commons. it is about the party. we don't know yet what will emerge from these

negotiations and what will follow. i hope they do arrive at a deal. but the deal has to work for all communities in northern ireland. if it does not come it is not going to work. when you accept as a brexiteer the european court having any role? for many on your side of the argument, this is absolutely the critical thing, europeanjudges should no longer pronounce on what happens in the uk and northern ireland is part of the uk but under the deal is likely the european court will have a role. we need these issues resolved and the prime minister has been very clear in the talks he has been having. as well as the practical issues there are with trade and the unnecessary friction happening there, there are these more fundamental issues that the democratic deficit, ensuring the people of northern ireland have a say through their representatives, about any regulations.

as a brexiteer, would you accept a deal with the european court having a role? again, it is not about me, it is about the communities in northern ireland, particularly the seven tests the dup has set out which don't explicitly mention the court, but clearly, they are wanting to protect the integrity of the united kingdom. they are also wanting to have a say over any future regulations. those are the tests this has to pass. if this deal does not pass those tests it won't work. from what you have just said, ye believe it is impossible to get a deal unless the dup is absolutely happy. mil deal unless the dup is absolutely ha . _ r , deal unless the dup is absolutely ha-- . . , ., happy. all communities in northern ireland, happy. all communities in northern ireland. this — happy. all communities in northern ireland, this deal _ happy. all communities in northern ireland, this deal has _ happy. all communities in northern ireland, this deal has to _ happy. all communities in northern ireland, this deal has to work- happy. all communities in northern ireland, this deal has to work with i ireland, this deal has to work with all of them. this is why it is difficult and we have a lot of hard work to do. we have made

considerable progress. i am not close to the negotiations but i have been encouraged by what all parties have been saying. all credit to the prime minister, the foreign secretary. to prime minister, the foreign secretary-— prime minister, the foreign secreta . . secretary. to be specific in your view, if dup _ secretary. to be specific in your view, if dup does _ secretary. to be specific in your view, if dup does not _ secretary. to be specific in your view, if dup does not like - secretary. to be specific in your view, if dup does not like it, i secretary. to be specific in your. view, if dup does not like it, there is no way the deal can be done. the whole point — is no way the deal can be done. tie: whole point of this is no way the deal can be done. ti9: whole point of this is is no way the deal can be done. ti9 whole point of this is has to work for the people of northern ireland. everything else, what my colleagues might say and what they might do in a hypothetical vote is irrelevant unless it works for the whole of northern ireland. irate unless it works for the whole of northern ireland.— unless it works for the whole of northern ireland. we had talked already about _ northern ireland. we had talked already about how— northern ireland. we had talked already about how politics - northern ireland. we had talked already about how politics is - already about how politics is shifting around a bit. this tricky bit brexit you hope will be sorted. jeremy corbyn will not be able to stand for the labour party. the tory party is losing a lot of things you used to campaign against pulls you together. do you think your life has got harder as a party? i together. do you think your life has got harder as a party?— got harder as a party? i think there are opportunities _ got harder as a party? i think there are opportunities in _ got harder as a party? i think there

are opportunities in the _ got harder as a party? i think there are opportunities in the changes i are opportunities in the changes that have happened. an opportunity for scotland which, i hope, the scotland well during their leadership contest. hopefully the scottish government will start to focus on the issues that matter for the people of scotland. that is an opportunity and i would encourage all the candidates to talk about those real issues and start to take responsibility for the authority they have. we have a comparatively new prime minister. although he has done a lot since he has been in office, i know he is very focused on setting out the vision he has for the country. he understands we have to get some fundamental things sorted first and that is why he has sat out the five priorities and that is why we are focused on that. last time ou is why we are focused on that. last time you were _ is why we are focused on that. last time you were here _ is why we are focused on that. last time you were here you were hoping to get thatjob. you say rishi sunak is still new in the job. for lots of people in your particle a look at him in the polls, there is no

evidence of even the tiniest of an immensely if you had one, do you think you would be doing a better job? think you would be doing a better 'ob? ,:, , think you would be doing a better 'ob? , ., , , , job? governments and prime ministers are not tested — job? governments and prime ministers are not tested in _ job? governments and prime ministers are not tested in the _ job? governments and prime ministers are not tested in the good _ job? governments and prime ministers are not tested in the good times, i are not tested in the good times, they are tested in tough times at midwinter, mid—war, midtown. that is where we are now and in the middle of recovery from very severe pandemic. we're up against it but actually, i think the british and my party are at our best when we're up against it. make no mistake. i have finished tour in the west country and i have been visiting businesses until sorts of community groups and also visiting activists and associations. we are resilient and completely focused on serving the needs of our country. if completely focused on serving the needs of our country.— completely focused on serving the needs of our country. if you had to net marks needs of our country. if you had to get marks out _ needs of our country. if you had to get marks out of _ needs of our country. if you had to get marks out of ten _ needs of our country. if you had to get marks out of ten full _ needs of our country. if you had to | get marks out of ten full confidence in terms of turning things around, what would it be? i in terms of turning things around, what would it be?— what would it be? i will be very confident. _ what would it be? i will be very confident, ten _ what would it be? i will be very confident, ten out _ what would it be? i will be very confident, ten out of— what would it be? i will be very confident, ten out of ten. i i what would it be? i will be very | confident, ten out of ten. i have seen the prime minister in action, i have seen how hard members of his

cabinet are working. people like stephen barclay. you will see the numbers on health going the right way very shortly. we know what is required, what people are worried about, access to health care, getting the economy by contract. that is what we will do.— getting the economy by contract. that is what we will do. thank you very much — that is what we will do. thank you very much for— that is what we will do. thank you very much for coming _ that is what we will do. thank you very much for coming in. - that is what we will do. thank you very much for coming in. she i that is what we will do. thank you very much for coming in. she said | very much for coming in. she said the conservatives were up against it. let's see what our trio at the desk made of that. wendy morton, how difficult will it be to get a deal past the party? as penny acknowledged. it is important to recognise the work that has happened today and that is ongoing. also important we do not underestimate the challenge in getting it through. it is about making sure the deal... all parties are happy with that all can live

with it in northern ireland, the communities and the business as well. business is about trade. when it comes to the conservative party it comes to the conservative party it is important, moving forward, we take the with us. is it it is important, moving forward, we take the with us.— take the with us. is it helpful with boris johnson _ take the with us. is it helpful with boris johnson looming _ take the with us. is it helpful with boris johnson looming all- take the with us. is it helpful with boris johnson looming all over i take the with us. is it helpful with boris johnson looming all over it | borisjohnson looming all over it and taking things to the newspapers? we have to remember we have had a referendum will stop it is important to recognise that referendum, which other side of the argument we are on. i was on the remaining side of the argument and my constituency is strongly brexit. we need something that works to take our communities and the party with us. it is important not to lose sight of that. had it been easy, it would have been done by now. had it been easy, it would have been done by now— done by now. there are politics and curudes done by now. there are politics and grudges and _ done by now. there are politics and grudges and long — done by now. there are politics and grudges and long memories. iain i grudges and long memories. iain duncan smith said essentially the good friday agreement is at risk and

the european court should not be involved. rocks are being chucked in the road of rishi sunak in trying to get something through. if you wear cheap web, how would you feel? i am no loner cheap web, how would you feel? i am no longer chief _ cheap web, how would you feel? t:n no longer chief webb. —— chief whip. at times it is a lonelyjob. the different interest when it comes to brexit, it is important they are recognised and people have their say and the negotiations are still ongoing. it is no easy task. we are in this situation _ ongoing. it is no easy task. we are in this situation because _ ongoing. it is no easy task. we are in this situation because boris i in this situation because boris johnson — in this situation because boris johnson lied.— johnson lied. that is quite a charae. johnson lied. that is quite a charge. boris _ johnson lied. that is quite a charge. boris johnson i johnson lied. that is quite a charge. boris johnson said i johnson lied. that is quite a l charge. boris johnson said his johnson lied. that is quite a - charge. boris johnson said his deal was then ready _ charge. boris johnson said his deal was then ready and _ charge. boris johnson said his deal was then ready and said _ charge. boris johnson said his deal was then ready and said there i charge. boris johnson said his deal i was then ready and said there would be no _ was then ready and said there would be no issues. there were extreme issues _ be no issues. there were extreme issues. everyone wants it to be resolved — issues. everyone wants it to be resolved in _ issues. everyone wants it to be resolved in order to ensure we have good _ resolved in order to ensure we have good relations between the united

kingdom and the european union. i hope _ kingdom and the european union. i hope tory— kingdom and the european union. i hope tory members will reflect upon that. brexit has been an unmitigated disaster _ that. brexit has been an unmitigated disaster. the issues that are facing our businesses in terms of exports are a _ our businesses in terms of exports are a result — our businesses in terms of exports are a result of brexit. the issues facing _ are a result of brexit. the issues facing the — are a result of brexit. the issues facing the public sector in terms of recruiting — facing the public sector in terms of recruiting staff because a brexit. that is _ recruiting staff because a brexit. that is why 72% of people in scotland _ that is why 72% of people in scotland want to rejoin the european union _ scotland want to rejoin the european union that — scotland want to rejoin the european union. that is where the future of scotland — union. that is where the future of scotland lies. just union. that is where the future of scotland lies.— scotland lies. just to say that brexit has — scotland lies. just to say that brexit has not _ scotland lies. just to say that brexit has not worked - scotland lies. just to say that brexit has not worked and i scotland lies. just to say that i brexit has not worked and been a disaster is not. there are brexit gains we have had. look at the development of the vaccine in terms of covid. i development of the vaccine in terms of covid. :, , , :, . ., of covid. i am sure you will chat about this _ of covid. i am sure you will chat about this later _ of covid. i am sure you will chat about this later on. _ of covid. i am sure you will chat about this later on. let's - of covid. i am sure you will chat about this later on. let's talk i about this later on. let's talk about this later on. let's talk about nicola sturgeon. that has been about nicola sturgeon. that has been a huge event in british politics in

the last few days. two contenders have now gone out there and said they will run. we can show the audience images of the scottish health secretary and also someone who was on the front bench but quit over the controversial gender reforms. the interesting thing about this, despite the many successes of nicola sturgeon, she was not very good at making a succession plan, was she? i good at making a succession plan, was she? : :, , good at making a succession plan, was she? _, , ., was she? i contest that wholeheartedly. - was she? i contest that wholeheartedly. in i was she? i contest that i wholeheartedly. in holyrood was she? i contest that - wholeheartedly. in holyrood we was she? i contest that _ wholeheartedly. in holyrood we have a number— wholeheartedly. in holyrood we have a number of individuals who are excellent — a number of individuals who are excellent communicators with good experience of being in government in difficult _ experience of being in government in difficult times. he experience of being in government in difficult times.— difficult times. he was standing out? i difficult times. he was standing out? i am _ difficult times. he was standing out? i am not _ difficult times. he was standing out? i am not going _ difficult times. he was standing out? i am not going to - difficult times. he was standing out? i am not going to pull- difficult times. he was standing out? i am not going to pull my| difficult times. he was standing i out? i am not going to pull my views out? i am not going to pull my views out of the hat _ out? i am not going to pull my views out of the hat at _ out? i am not going to pull my views out of the hat at this _ out? i am not going to pull my views out of the hat at this moment. i out? i am not going to pull my views out of the hat at this moment. there is still— out of the hat at this moment. there is still time _ out of the hat at this moment. there is still time for people to come forward — is still time for people to come forward i_ is still time for people to come forward. i want to see a clear plan in terms _ forward. i want to see a clear plan in terms of— forward. i want to see a clear plan in terms of how to approach becoming an independent country and how we intend _ an independent country and how we intend to _ an independent country and how we intend to deal with some of the challenges based at home. there are

understandable challenges at home and they— understandable challenges at home and they need to do that in the fullness — and they need to do that in the fullness of time.— fullness of time. john curtis, the ollin: fullness of time. john curtis, the polling guru _ fullness of time. john curtis, the polling guru has _ fullness of time. john curtis, the polling guru has told _ fullness of time. john curtis, the polling guru has told the - fullness of time. john curtis, the polling guru has told the sun, i fullness of time. john curtis, the j polling guru has told the sun, he reckons the departure of nicola sturgeon might starmer a majority in 2025. it is a gift for labour, isn't it? , ,:, 2025. it is a gift for labour, isn't it? , :, :, it? the first poll on the back of nicola's announcement - it? the first poll on the back of nicola's announcement she i it? the first poll on the back of. nicola's announcement she would it? the first poll on the back of- nicola's announcement she would be leaving _ nicola's announcement she would be leaving office showed that the snp was 43% _ leaving office showed that the snp was 43% a little bit down from 2019. the labour— was 43% a little bit down from 2019. the labour party has replaced the conservatives in second place in scotland — conservatives in second place in scotland. many unionists want to think— scotland. many unionists want to think the — scotland. many unionists want to think the snp will go away but it is not. think the snp will go away but it is not we _ think the snp will go away but it is not. we want to utilise our energy resources — not. we want to utilise our energy resources to deliver for the people of scotland. it is absurd in an energy— of scotland. it is absurd in an energy rich nation people in scotland _ energy rich nation people in scotland are fuel poor. we can

rejoin— scotland are fuel poor. we can rejoin the _ scotland are fuel poor. we can rejoin the european union as an independent nation. we are just getting — independent nation. we are just getting started. independent nation. we are 'ust getting magi independent nation. we are 'ust getting startetfi independent nation. we are 'ust getting started. hopefully we will have some of _ getting started. hopefully we will have some of the _ getting started. hopefully we will have some of the contenders i getting started. hopefully we will have some of the contenders for| getting started. hopefully we will. have some of the contenders for that job in the studio in the next three weeks. we raised what is going on with ukraine and how western leaders are taking on putin on taking him on. we have had a successive period of domestic political turmoil but how is the reputation of the uk faring? the uk has been a big leader in international support for ukraine. borisjohnson started out, i think he is the first western leader to raise the flag, saying we need to stand behind these people. liz truss, rishi sunak. she did not say it but she might as well have said it, we are going to supplyjets to ukraine. it, we are going to supply 'ets to ukraine. :, ~' it, we are going to supply 'ets to ukraine. :, ,, ., it, we are going to supply 'ets to ukraine. :, ~ ., ., , , ukraine. you think that will happen? we were saying _

ukraine. you think that will happen? we were saying in _ ukraine. you think that will happen? we were saying in no _ ukraine. you think that will happen? we were saying in no uncertain i ukraine. you think that will happen? | we were saying in no uncertain terms will we supply jets at we were saying in no uncertain terms will we supplyjets at the beginning. now we are saying the options are on the table, we are going to train pilots. we should supplyjets. they need all the help they can get. putin has all the money in the world to bomb ukraine. he has an unlimited supply of cannon fodder, people to throw into battle. ukraine is a much smaller country, they do not have the resources. we should give them everything they ask. :, , , should give them everything they ask. :, ,, i.” should give them everything they ask. ., ,, i.” ask. you spent years exposing putin. in our ask. you spent years exposing putin. in your latest — ask. you spent years exposing putin. in your latest book— ask. you spent years exposing putin. in your latest book you _ ask. you spent years exposing putin. in your latest book you described i in your latest book you described him as a scared little man, why? truth? him as a scared little man, why? why are we even — him as a scared little man, why? why are we even in _ him as a scared little man, why? “rig“ig' are we even in this him as a scared little man, why? “big“iy are we even in this situation? him as a scared little man, why? big“iy are we even in this situation? 422 years, putin and 8000 guys around him still all the money they could the state. the amount of money they stole was $1 trillion. you can see it in london, in belgrade square and

in the south of france and aspen. they take all of this money that should have been spent on education, health care and roads enabled villas, privatejets and health care and roads enabled villas, private jets and yachts. you can do that for one year, five years but not for 20 years and not have people not getting upset stop it is not like borisjohnson, if he loses power, he can go on the lecture circuit. if putin loses power, he goes to jail, he loses his money and he dies. what does he do? he is terrified of his own people. if the west does _ terrified of his own people. if the west does not _ terrified of his own people. if the west does not take _ terrified of his own people. if the west does not take him - terrified of his own people. if the west does not take him on i terrified of his own people. if the west does not take him on with everything ukraine asks for, what in your view are the consequences? we spoke to the polish president and it was striking. he said, if it is not stopped, it might be poland next and other countries in the baltic. there

is no question- _ other countries in the baltic. there is no question. putin _ other countries in the baltic. there is no question. putin needs - other countries in the baltic. there is no question. putin needs to i other countries in the baltic. there is no question. putin needs to be i other countries in the baltic. ti99 is no question. putin needs to be at war to prevent people being angry with him because he has stolen too much money. ukraine is not his ultimate target, conquest is his ultimate target, conquest is his ultimate target, conquest is his ultimate target that we would be totally naive to think somehow if we were to fudge the situation in ukraine he would not be at the polish border, the estonian border. if he is, those countries are are allies, our nato allies and we have allies, our nato allies and we have a treaty obligation with them. if we want to avoidable with russia which we all do, we should levied impossible to give the ukrainians the tools to fight the war and when. freezing order, by bill browder, is out now. there's no question the war in ukraine has given western democracies a long list of problems. how to help ukraine without creating a wider conflict. how to help their own populations with the side effects, like rising prices. as we talked about last week, president zelensky is asking right now forfighterjets.

but, so far, that request“s not been met. i spoke to america's second most senior diplomat, wendy sherman, about what might be next. as we hit this one—year marker — it's hard to use the word "anniversary" because no—one is celebrating this horrifying, unprovoked, and just unholy invasion of a sovereign country by vladimir putin. but we are certainly coming to a one—year marker. and i completely understand why president zelensky continuously, throughout this has asked for everything he thinks his country needs. and i think we have all, the united states and the uk, and 50 countries around the world, have listened very closely, and tried to provide everything we can, at various points, as needed in this very tough fight. the world has come together. and much to the surprise, i think, of the russian regime of the kremlin, vladimir putin, the world has stayed united, committed.

and the commitment to ukraine has not waned because i think the world understands that a very important principle is at stake here. not only the sovereignty and territorial integrity, and the right to make choices by the ukrainian people. but it is true, not only for europe, but it is true for the whole world. if vladimir putin can invade a sovereign country in this way, others around the world will think they can act with impunity unless they know that there will be a strategic failure, as there has been for vladimir putin, and as there will continue to be, as ukraine wages what will be a winning effort here, and is already a winning effort here. because russia is suffering badly as a result of this horrible invasion. but will the united states send president zelensky the jets he is asking for? president biden has said that,

at this moment, f—16s from the united states will not probably be there. but i know the uk is going to train ukrainians. i think there are other countries that may be considering them. and look, at every point we have looked at what has been asked. we have provided whatever is possible. we completely understand the request by the ukrainians, and the entire world has tried to fulfil them. 0bviously, on both sides of the atlantic, we have been watching with great interest, these chinese spy balloons. has this been happening for a long time, or is it something new? we have told countries around the world that our understanding is that this has gone on for a bit of time. exactly how long, we will leave to others to think through. but it has notjust been across the united states but other countries as well. i do think that we have been very clear about the actions

that we have taken. but i want to say to your listeners and to the whole world that we understand that the people's republic of china and the united states of america are two great powers. that we need to have lines of communication which we kept throughout this unfortunate time. that we took the action to protect our citizens and our security, ultimately taking down this balloon. but it is very important that we not only continue our communications with the people's republic of china, but that secretary blinken who postponed his trip to beijing connect again with the prc interlocutors, and ultimately, put that trip back on the schedule. and are you going to try to stop china from doing this again? well, we have been quite clear since the beginning of this episode, in direct communications with the people's republic of china,

that sending a surveillance balloon over any territory of the united states is unacceptable, a violation of our sovereignty, and a violation of international law. so we have been very clear about how we think about what has happened here, the actions that we took to protect our safety and security. the previous administration in washington called china the threat of the century. yet president biden says they are stiff competition. is that all they are? or would you spell out that china is a threat, in your view? there is no question that the people's republic of china is the pacing challenge for certainly this decade, if not into the further future. we have had warnings in this country we are vulnerable to spying from the chinese from technology. do you think british and american citizens are being spied on by actors on behalf of the chinese government? we have thousands of chips in any of our cars. we all live on our cell phones. and we have to understand that

all of these devices can be used as surveillance vehicles if used in the wrong way. and so we all have to be mindful. we are all much more aware of cyber security. we are all taught about hygiene on our computers. good hygiene for our use of technology. what about the chinese—owned social media platform tiktok? would you be happy with younger members of your family using it? well, you know, these are very tough decisions for any family. the united states government has made a decision that none of us can use tiktok on any of our official devices. i think that was a very, very sound judgment. and i would certainly tell any young people in my family to think twice about being on tiktok. for all of those reasons, though, i understand their concerns about wanting to be able to be on these social media sites. but they need to understand

that they are complicated, and i think we will all have much more discussion going into the future about how to manage technology in a way that preserves our freedom, our values, and our right to make choices and decisions without feeling like others are making them for us. you started your career as a social worker. are there skills that you learned then that you use now when dealing with tricky customers like putin and tricky situations? absolutely. i was blessed to learn a lot — both clinical skills, how to relate to people, how to understand them, as well as how to organise people to reach an objective. and i oftenjoke, only half—jokingly, i am still a social worker, my caseload has just changed. wendy sherman, deputy secretary of state, thank you for being with us. now — tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. heard that one before? one of the most quoted new labour slogans, of course,

that seems to be making a return. the party's making a new set of promises to tackle crime and antisocial behaviour, with a plan for new respect orders. the woman who wants to introduce all that as home secretary if the party wins is yvette cooper and she's here. thank you for coming in. first of all i want to talk about nicola bulley, people have been following this closely. you earlier in the week asked questions of lancashire police force when they put private information about her into the public domain. what was your concern? i think this is an unusual level of information including health information to be provided, that is why there has been so much concern about it. since then the information commissioner has said he is going to look into this, and they have internal reviews. we need to let those take their course.

and the focus needs to be on lancashire police continuing with their investigation, and also, on support for the family because i am very worried, the nature of social media vacation and frenzy around this case, it is important the family also get support. have you been given new information in light of your questions? we have had further information from lancashire police but the main issue stands, about the level of personal information, and how unusual this is, but there are unusual circumstances in this case as well. so this should properly be looked at by the information commissioner and the review. my concern as well is we focus on that at the expense of focusing on the search for nicula which has to be the priority for lancashire police. and everyone should be supporting lancashire police in that investigation and the

family at a difficult time. more broadly, do you feel there is a broader issue with how police sometimes see women? can women trust police with their personal information and private information that sometimes is so vital for investigations but also deeply personal to people? i think we should put this case aside. there is an issue in terms of that investigation has to take place. there is a wider issue in the way the police has dealt with particularly violence against women and girls, and with standards around misogyny, around approaches towards violence and abuse within police forces. we have had the terrible cases of wayne couzens and david carrick neither of whom should have been police officers, and where standards have not been high enough. that is why we have called labour

has called for an overhaul on standards, overhaul of the approach, standards, overhaul of the approach, standards on vetting, something as basic as where someone is facing charges for rate allegations, they should be suspended, notjust shifted to different duties. let us get higher standards in place. there are police officers who are doing amazing work to tackle violence against women and girls, support vulnerable women, do really good work, but that is being undermined, unless you have strong standards. let us talk about your new plans on tackling anti—social behaviour. you have respect orders, do we need another tool? there are criminal behaviour orders. what is the point of another tool? we need three things, stronger

prevention work, more police officers particularly neighbourhood police officers, we are proposing 13,000 more across the country. also we need the stronger action, enforcement, against a repeat anti—social behaviour and abuse dragging communities down and making lives a misery. as an example of an area where the conservatives have weakened enforcement which has been damaging, i spoke to an officer who had somebody causing havoc in a town centre, including intimidating people, intimidating women, drunken behaviour, abuse of shop workers. the council and police want to ban this individualfrom the council and police want to ban this individual from the town centre, he is preventing people feeling safe. the anti—social behaviour injunction the conservatives brought in, they can't arrest him if he is banned and still

turns up, they don't have a power of arrest. 0ur respect order would give those police officers the tools if you have repeated anti—social behaviour by adults causing havoc, you need to take action because it is unfair on the local community. that sounds like a terrible situation, but the latest information from the crime survey of england and wales actually suggests incidences of anti—social behaviour are going down. isn“t incidences of anti—social behaviour are going down. isn't there a risk by doing this, it get you a headline, doesn“t by doing this, it get you a headline, doesn't it risk demonising some people? that is what happened with as bows and it became a badge of honour —— asbos. it criminalise people unnecessarily. these respect orders would be targeted at repeat anti—social behaviour causing a misery. we know from talking to police and council offices there is a gap, the way the

conservatives weakened their powers means in that example... as you see it. there will be plenty of police officers saying the same. it is targeted. anti—social behaviour in town centres is a problem, there has been a 30% increase in vandalism and criminal damage in —— criminal damage. 0ne damage in —— criminal damage. one woman has told me she doesn't want to shop in town on her own, a business owner says she closes at 4pm instead of five. neighbourhood patrols have gone. we would bring back town centre patrols, the police into the town centre, get neighbourhood police back on the beat and give them sensible powers to take fast action because no one should put up with that kind of abuse and repeated misery that affects our towns. fibre abuse and repeated misery that affects our towns.— abuse and repeated misery that affects our towns. are you bringing back new labour _ affects our towns. are you bringing

back new labour classics, - affects our towns. are you bringing back new labour classics, tough i affects our towns. are you bringing j back new labour classics, tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. that was right then and it is right now. the conservatives are doing neither. i5 now. the conservatives are doing neither. , ,, ., �* , now. the conservatives are doing neither. , ,, ., �*, , neither. is keir starmer's party new labour? neither. is keir starmer's party new labour? we — neither. is keir starmer's party new labour? we are _ neither. is keir starmer's party new labour? we are unashamedly i neither. is keir starmer's party new| labour? we are unashamedly saying ou need labour? we are unashamedly saying you need prevention _ labour? we are unashamedly saying you need prevention and _ labour? we are unashamedly saying you need prevention and tackle i you need prevention and tackle crime. you have got to deal with a new issue, fraud, new technology. some people who voted for keir starmer in the leadership contest a few years when he promised essentially to keep most ofjeremy corbyn“s agenda, some might be a cross to hear you say this morning, we are unashamedly new labour. igtgfe we are unashamedly new labour. we will we are unashamedly new labour. 9 will deal with the with the challenges the country faces now. those are different to the issues we faced in the 1990s. there will be some things though that we did when we were in government that we should

be pursuing again and that means getting neighbourhood police on the beat. there will be other areas where we want to do things differently, for example, on zero carbon. :, , :, . ., differently, for example, on zero carbon. :, , :, : :, the carbon. that is a new challenge. the issues we deal _ carbon. that is a new challenge. the issues we deal with _ carbon. that is a new challenge. the issues we deal with now _ carbon. that is a new challenge. the issues we deal with now i _ carbon. that is a new challenge. the issues we deal with now i want i carbon. that is a new challenge. the issues we deal with now i want to i issues we deal with now i want to ask about ukraine, the backdrop to everything is there conflict. but ou and everything is there conflict. but you and your — everything is there conflict. but you and your husband have been one of the many thousands of families that have taken in a family, refugees. a mother and daughter, who have become part of your household in yorkshire. have you talk to them about the anniversary of the conflict? will you be marking it in any way? what have they brought to your family? any way? what have they brought to yourfamily? tbs, any way? what have they brought to your family?— any way? what have they brought to our famil ? : ., :, . your family? a mum and two children sta int your family? a mum and two children staying with — your family? a mum and two children staying with us. _ your family? a mum and two children staying with us, their— your family? a mum and two children staying with us, their friends - your family? a mum and two children staying with us, their friends are i staying with us, their friends are staying with us, their friends are staying around the corner. the thing that was the hardest, listening to

them talking, was describing how they had to leave, the bombardment started and the left within 20 minutes and had to flee their home. a teenager having to pack everything into his bag in a rush. the things that they and countless other families went through as a result of putin's illegal war. they are such an impressive family, two families around the corner, so impressive the way they have dealt with this. we love having them with us but also hate the fact that their families have been split up as a result of this truly appalling war. thank you for coming into the studio. now, last week, i promised you a hollywood megastar, and i like to keep my word. so, the actor huthackman casually dropped by our studio this week! we talked about his marvel movies, masculinity, and his new film,

the son, which tells the story of a father and son in real distress, filmed during the claustrophobia of lockdown. here he is. it was a hard shoot. it was an intense shoot. but i have such memories of warmth about it because we really had to rely on each other. we didn't rehearse. the director did not want to rehearse. he wouldn't allow us to watch the monitor. so we were in a kind of bubble and we had to kind ofjust let go and trust each other. i knew that this was a part i knew how to play. i understood the emotions. i understood that battle of someone who's probably doing too many things at once, but feeling that they've got everything under control and they can handle everything. it's a little similar to me and trying to balance every part of their life. yeah, sorry, kate“sjust here to talk to me about nicholas. we've just found out he hasn't been going to school for almost a month. it's not only that, peter. he's not well.

you need to speak to him. i don't know what to do any more. you just... he needs you, peter. you can'tjust abandon him. i“m notabandoning him. why do you keep saying these things? you said after making such a personal project, now you've opened up and you've said you're finally... you use the word "finally," having therapy to explore some of the issues that you had with your own mother. can you tell us about that? well, it's not really that i'm exploring issues with my mother. i guess i'm exploring issues within myself. it was something that i had never done and i thought, “'why wouldn't you ? what's my reticence? why am i holding back? why wouldn't you think. i mean, i have an acting teacher. i have a singing teacher. why wouldn't somehow, emotionally all through your life, or the things that are going on in your life, why wouldn't you get help?

and so i did. and it radically changed things for me. understanding of why i do certain things, why i think in a certain way, why there are certain patterns in my life, why it's so hard to break those patterns. and i guess i unraveled a little bit. and that's probably... hopefully it's a good thing. in what kind of ways has it changed you? i mean, just this interview, i don't think i would have done this interview two years ago. i wouldn't have said what i just said. i would have thought, "oh, no, that's not something we're sharing. don't share that." and i'm just not so frightened of it any more. and i've realised also through this movie that being vulnerable is actually fine. it's something that everyone relates... relates to. and even my children, i'm more vulnerable with them. but do you think that young men feel a pressure that they can't do that? i do think that exists. i don't think it exists as much as when i was younger. if i could paraphrase it or generalise it, ifeel there was some kind of assumption that boys had to be made into men. you have to toughen them up.

and i actually have great hope and i see it in my kids and theirfriends. they“re much more open about talking about their feelings. they“re much more vulnerable. there is a strand, though, of what's sometimes now branded as toxic masculinity. so in the uk, for example, there's been a lot of concern about an online influencer called andrew tate. mm—hm. i don't know if you've heard about him, but he produces very misogynistic content. do you worry about that kind of toxic masculinity, that kind of narrative influencing younger men? do i worry about it? i don't worry about it with my children. i think we have open conversations and i think they're exposed to many, many different things. i think there's a lot of... there is a lot of unfiltered opinions and information coming through and often appearing as facts as opposed to opinion. and i do think that's a worry. you've been playing the character of wolverine for a long time. is wolverine a good role model?

well... uh, i don't think i'd want wolverine to be your only role model for masculinity, you know? and what i've tried to bring to it, i think what... what drew me to him was not his superhero abilities, but the pain that he's trying to live with and trying to reconcile. he's not a nice man. i think ultimately he's a good man. i mean, he's a pretty angry — pretty angry person. but you say a good person. should wolverine have therapy? absolutely. whether he'll go, i don't know. i think in some ways professor x is his therapist, trying very, very hard. last time you said you were never going to do another film again. and of course, you are now doing anotherfilm. never trust an actor. never trust an actor! would you do... i mean, is this going to be the last one or would there be another one after that? you can just never trust an actor. i'm not going to say anything. i honestly, truly meant it. and i honestly can tell you,

ryan would ring me weekly. “'are you sure? are you sure?" so it was about then your relationship with your frenemy. i mean, ryan reynolds, you and he loved to tease each other and prank each other, you know, across different sides of the atlantic and wherever you are in the world. what's it really about? yeah. that's a really good question. it's sort of a sibling rivalry — me being the older, wiser, smarter, whatever adjective you like that's positive. just all the good ones are for you and all the negative ones are for him. imean... exactly. talking of which, this week you've posted a picture of yourself doing what looks like a completely ridiculous bicep curl. right. now, i think that was directed at him... 100%. ..to showjust how great shape you're getting into for this. he laid down the gauntlet. i go, "oh, this training is hard." and then i saw his post. i'm like, "oh, isee. all right. this is how it's going to be." ryan reynolds has made a lot of people in wales very happy by buying wrexham football club. would you be tempted to buy a sports club? man u“s up for sale in the uk.

i will admit to you that when ryan bought that team, i did get more than one offer from rivals to that team for £1 to come in as a co—owner. really? and that did seriously tempt me. just sort of... but i thought... from who? you must tell us. come on, it's only telling me. i can't tell you. but michael bjordan i was with last night, and he's a co—owner of bournemouth. and i was like, you know what? this whole thing of outsiders coming in, buying football teams, it feels a little, i don't know, easy. so i've decided to go one step further. what are you going to do? i'm actually going to try out for the team. so, delia smith, stephen fry, i'm coming to try out. i think if i really want to stick it to ryan reynolds... mm—hm. ..then if wrexham get to play norwich because obviously there“s a different level here, i think it would be best

if i was heading in the winner. so huthackman could be a canary, which is... i could be a canary. a canary. it's the baftas this weekend. yes. of course, it's the oscars not too far off. do you think it's time a superhero won the oscars? i mean, do you ever as a marvel star, as wolverine, do you think there's too much snobbery towards action movies? mm. i do, actually. it's interesting. it's not dissimilar with comedy. i think comedy as well gets overseen, you know. and i'm not sure why it is. but anyway, yes. now jacinda ardern has sat in that seat and she said that she did believe that new zealand would become a republic at some point in her lifetime. mm—hm. would you like to see australia become a republic? i think australia will become a republic at some point. you do? it feels natural. it feels like something that is, i would guess, inevitable and i would guess would be a natural part of evolution of a country, you know. i have... 0bviously, i'm a british citizen as i am an australian citizen.

i don't know if people know that, but i am and my parents grew up, my father made us stop doing whatever we could to watch the... in 1981, to watch the wedding of lady di and prince charles, we had champagne. so i grew up with a lot of that. i've met the queen on several occasions, the queen mother and prince charles. and i've met them. i see and feel a real, genuine desire to be of service to the public. and i appreciate that and i admire it and i only wish them the best. but you do think australia will go its own way? i think it's inevitable at some point. 0k, huthackman, thank you so much for coming in and for talking about such a range of different topics. my pleasure. thanks. and you can see an extended version of that interview on iplayer now. it“s nearly ten and our hour together“s raced by, like the very eventful last political week. this morning, i asked penny mordaunt if there was anyway forward

for a deal on the northern ireland protocol the dup didn't like? the whole point of this as it has to work for the people of northern ireland. everything else and what my colleagues might say and what they might do in a hypothetical vote, that is irrelevant unless it works for the whole of northern ireland. 0k. now we have had a question from a viewer, richard. we do read your e—mails. why do the snp come on and any talk about brexit and independence? hugh any talk about brexit and independence? huthackman said independence? hugh jackman said australia independence? huthackman said australia should be a republic that shouldn't scotland be a republic? i think he said in time. i would think of a similar evolution in scotland in time. :, , :, of a similar evolution in scotland in time. :,, :, , :, ., in time. last time on the programme the snp said — in time. last time on the programme the snp said they _ in time. last time on the programme the snp said they would _ in time. last time on the programme the snp said they would like - in time. last time on the programme the snp said they would like to i in time. last time on the programme the snp said they would like to keep | the snp said they would like to keep the snp said they would like to keep the queen. i the snp said they would like to keep the queen. :, :, , , the queen. i am happy with the status quo- _ the queen. i am happy with the status quo. over _ the queen. i am happy with the status quo. over time - the queen. i am happy with the status quo. over time the i the queen. i am happy with the i status quo. over time the people of scotland should decide on an alternative vision.— scotland should decide on an alternative vision. wendy, we have talked a lot — alternative vision. wendy, we have talked a lot about _ alternative vision. wendy, we have talked a lot about the _ alternative vision. wendy, we have talked a lot about the brexit i alternative vision. wendy, we have talked a lot about the brexit hill i talked a lot about the brexit hill and the chances of it getting

through parliament. you said you“ve through parliament. you said you've never lost a vote under liz truss. i am not sure if that is something you want to boast about. if there is a deal, would it pass through parliament?— deal, would it pass through parliament? :, ., ., :, parliament? for a deal to pass throuth parliament? for a deal to pass through parliament _ parliament? for a deal to pass through parliament it - parliament? for a deal to pass through parliament it would i parliament? for a deal to pass i through parliament it would need the support— through parliament it would need the support from the amenities in northern— support from the amenities in northern ireland, support across the party and _ northern ireland, support across the party and the dup. i do not have a crystal— party and the dup. i do not have a crystal baii~ — party and the dup. i do not have a crystal ball. negotiations are ongoing. we have to respect that referendum we had, respect all of the parties — referendum we had, respect all of the parties in this. that is what makes — the parties in this. that is what makes it— the parties in this. that is what makes it so— the parties in this. that is what makes it so complex.— the parties in this. that is what makes it so complex. what is your hunch? i makes it so complex. what is your hunch? i am _ makes it so complex. what is your hunch? i am not _ makes it so complex. what is your hunch? i am not a _ makes it so complex. what is your hunch? i am not a betting - makes it so complex. what is your hunch? i am not a betting lady. i makes it so complex. what is yourj hunch? i am not a betting lady. as makes it so complex. what is your l hunch? i am not a betting lady. as a former chief — hunch? i am not a betting lady. as a former chief whip _ hunch? i am not a betting lady. as a former chief whip we _ hunch? i am not a betting lady. as a former chief whip we look _ hunch? i am not a betting lady. as a former chief whip we look at - hunch? i am not a betting lady. as a former chief whip we look at the i former chief whip we look at the numbers— former chief whip we look at the numbers and try to work it out. let's _ numbers and try to work it out. let's wait — numbers and try to work it out. let's wait and see, give it the best chance _ let's wait and see, give it the best chance we — let's wait and see, give it the best chance we can. everybody wants it to succeed _ chance we can. everybody wants it to succeed but— chance we can. everybody wants it to succeed but to succeed, all parties had to— succeed but to succeed, all parties had to be — succeed but to succeed, all parties had to be brought into the process. finaliy— had to be brought into the process. finally to _ had to be brought into the process. finally to you. we had a few minutes

ago from the second most senior diplomat in the us talking about how actually her skills as a social worker were quite handy for dealing with vladimir putin. what skills, what strength do you think the west needs right now? i what strength do you think the west needs right now?— what strength do you think the west needs right now? i think there needs to be criminologists _ needs right now? i think there needs to be criminologists and _ needs right now? i think there needs to be criminologists and not - to be criminologists and not political _ to be criminologists and not political scientists _ to be criminologists and not political scientists when i to be criminologists and not political scientists when it i to be criminologists and not i political scientists when it comes to putin — political scientists when it comes to putin he _ political scientists when it comes to putin he is _ political scientists when it comes to putin. he is a _ political scientists when it comes to putin. he is a thug, _ political scientists when it comes to putin. he is a thug, a - political scientists when it comes to putin. he is a thug, a mass. to putin. he is a thug, a mass murderer~ _ to putin. he is a thug, a mass murderer~ he _ to putin. he is a thug, a mass murderer. he is— to putin. he is a thug, a mass murderer. he is the _ to putin. he is a thug, a mass murderer. he is the most i to putin. he is a thug, a mass- murderer. he is the most criminal luy murderer. he is the most criminal guy out— murderer. he is the most criminal guy out there _ murderer. he is the most criminal guy out there. there _ murderer. he is the most criminal guy out there. there is _ murderer. he is the most criminal guy out there. there is still - murderer. he is the most criminal guy out there. there is still a i murderer. he is the most criminal guy out there. there is still a lot i guy out there. there is still a lot of talk_ guy out there. there is still a lot of talk about, _ guy out there. there is still a lot of talk about, we _ guy out there. there is still a lot of talk about, we need - guy out there. there is still a lot of talk about, we need to - guy out there. there is still a lot of talk about, we need to give . guy out there. there is still a lot . of talk about, we need to give him an off— of talk about, we need to give him an off ramp— of talk about, we need to give him an off ramp to _ of talk about, we need to give him an off ramp to negotiate. - of talk about, we need to give him an off ramp to negotiate. i- of talk about, we need to give him an off ramp to negotiate. i do- of talk about, we need to give him an off ramp to negotiate. i do noti an off ramp to negotiate. i do not believe _ an off ramp to negotiate. i do not believe any— an off ramp to negotiate. i do not believe any of _ an off ramp to negotiate. i do not believe any of those _ an off ramp to negotiate. i do not believe any of those things. - an off ramp to negotiate. i do not believe any of those things. he . an off ramp to negotiate. i do not believe any of those things. he isi an off ramp to negotiate. i do not. believe any of those things. he is a criminal. _ believe any of those things. he is a criminal. who — believe any of those things. he is a criminal, who needs— believe any of those things. he is a criminal, who needs to _ believe any of those things. he is a criminal, who needs to be - believe any of those things. he is a criminal, who needs to be soundlyi criminal, who needs to be soundly defeated — criminal, who needs to be soundly defeated. that _ criminal, who needs to be soundly defeated. that is _ criminal, who needs to be soundly defeated. that is the _ criminal, who needs to be soundly defeated. that is the only- criminal, who needs to be soundly defeated. that is the only thing i defeated. that is the only thing that will— defeated. that is the only thing that will bring _ defeated. that is the only thing that will bring peace _ defeated. that is the only thing that will bring peace to - defeated. that is the only thing that will bring peace to this - defeated. that is the only thing| that will bring peace to this part of the _ that will bring peace to this part of the world, _ that will bring peace to this part of the world, that _ that will bring peace to this part of the world, that putin - that will bring peace to this part of the world, that putin is- that will bring peace to this part of the world, that putin is no. of the world, that putin is no longer— of the world, that putin is no longer in _ of the world, that putin is no longer in power— of the world, that putin is no longer in power in _ of the world, that putin is no longer in power in russia - of the world, that putin is no longer in power in russia is. of the world, that putin is no. longer in power in russia is no longer— longer in power in russia is no longer a — longer in power in russia is no longer a threat. _ longer in power in russia is no longer a threat. we _ longer in power in russia is no longer a threat.— longer in power in russia is no longer a threat. we need to find a sace for longer a threat. we need to find a space for compromise _ longer a threat. we need to find a space for compromise and - longer a threat. we need to find a i space for compromise and eventually there must be some peace talks. thea;r

there must be some peace talks. they cannot be peace _ there must be some peace talks. they cannot be peace talks _ there must be some peace talks. they cannot be peace talks because putin has no _ cannot be peace talks because putin has no intention— cannot be peace talks because putin has no intention for— cannot be peace talks because putin has no intention for peace. - cannot be peace talks because putin has no intention for peace. it- cannot be peace talks because putin has no intention for peace. it would| has no intention for peace. it would be a short-term _ has no intention for peace. it would be a short—term placeholder- has no intention for peace. it would be a short—term placeholder before he goes _ be a short—term placeholder before he goes to— be a short—term placeholder before he goes to war— be a short—term placeholder before he goes to war again. _ be a short-term placeholder before he goes to war again.— he goes to war again. thank you so much fulltilt _ he goes to war again. thank you so much fulltilt into _ he goes to war again. thank you so much fulltilt into mass _ he goes to war again. thank you so much fulltilt into mass this - much fulltilt into mass this morning. we have had a whole range of conversations. thank you to my companions who had been at the desk. whether you notice it or not, politics is always changing bit by bit, with every new plan, every row, every vote, every day. but every now and then, there's a bigger gear change, and it does feel like we're moving through one right now. with the departure of nicola sturgeon, the edging out ofjeremy corbyn and maybe, just maybe, with the end of the arguments over northern ireland and brexit some of the fundamentals are on the move. but if you've been paying attention this morning, which i'm sure you have, that doesn't mean peace and harmony is about to break out. most of all, the horror of the war in ukraine shows little sign of reaching its finale.

as ever, you can catch up on iplayer with anything you missed. and if you fancy some light relief for sunday afternoon, there's a longer version of our conversation with huthackman there, too. thanks as ever for your company. we look forward to seeing you here next week.

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