good morning. power, his party and parliament. does the prime minister have the strength to get all of brexit done? i am a conservative, a brexiter, and a unionist, and any agreement we reach needs to tick all three boxes. hear that? "let me finish brexit", the prime minister proclaims. a final deal to smooth out tensions over northern ireland does now feel seriously close. i think the talks on forming the protocol are edging towards a conclusion. yet, shock, horror — the conservative party might be hard to convince. ignore the howls of indignation from those on his side - who will never take yes foran answer. - why doesn't he just get on with it? shouts of encouragement. brexit trade frictions and freezing temperatures in morocco are just two

of the reasons behind this... empty shelves, and limits on what we can buy in the shops. the environment secretary ended up suggesting we save our home—grown veg instead. it is important to make sure that we cherish the specialisms that we have in this country. a lot of people would be eating turnips right now. tempted by turnips? the bigger question for us this morning — can rishi sunak tempt his party and the northern irish unionists to back his likely deal? dominic raab, the prime minister's number two, and fellow brexiteer, is here. but how would labour approach those brexit talks? the man who'd be labour's foreign secretary is, too — david lammy. and the race to replace nicola sturgeon as scotland's first minister is on. the scottish health secretary and wannabe snp leader humza yousafjoins us live.

with me at the desk — the boss of the civil servants' union — dave penman. thomasina miers — cook, writer and restaurateur who has plenty to say about those empty shelves in supermarkets. and george eustice who knows a thing or two about food shortages as the former environment secretary. hello, and thank you forjoining us. a deal on northern ireland's post—brexit rules is close, and could be unveiled tomorrow. the agreement is broadly done. will rishi sunak have the authority to get the brexit deal over the line? loads of speculation on that on the front pages. let us take a look, he promises to

be the prime minister who will get brexit done. but there is a different line with conservative anger over this. the observer newspaper, a disturbing story about the numbers of police facing charges. the sunday mirror on the story of a ukrainian boy. and in scotland, a story on humza yousaf, with praise on kate forbes talking openly about her faith. george, here we are again, your party poised to do battle over brexit, we are expecting a deal but also a lot of argument, does rishi sunak have the authority? i am quite open to this because i was part— i am quite open to this because i was part of— i am quite open to this because i was part of borisjohnson's government who came up with the

command — government who came up with the command paper in 2021 put together by lord _ command paper in 2021 put together by lord frost, a comprehensive pr0posal— by lord frost, a comprehensive proposal dealing with the eu's legitimate concerns but had no truck with their_ legitimate concerns but had no truck with their illegitimate gameplaying. if what— with their illegitimate gameplaying. if what rishi sunak has managed to do island _ if what rishi sunak has managed to do is land and agreement in that territory— do is land and agreement in that territory we should get behind it because — territory we should get behind it because that is what borisjohnson and liz— because that is what borisjohnson and liz truss would have done and theresa _ and liz truss would have done and theresa may. you - theresa may. you were a brexit here, you are suggesting everyone should get behind it. , , ., , suggesting everyone should get behind it. i, ., , behind it. they should be open minded, behind it. they should be open minded. and — behind it. they should be open minded, and stop _ behind it. they should be open minded, and stop thinking - behind it. they should be open minded, and stop thinking if i behind it. they should be open i minded, and stop thinking if there is a deai— minded, and stop thinking if there is a deal it— minded, and stop thinking if there is a deal it means we have been done over~ _ is a deal it means we have been done over~ it _ is a deal it means we have been done over~ it could — is a deal it means we have been done over. it could be actually the northern _ over. it could be actually the northern ireland to cold bill which was a _ northern ireland to cold bill which was a legitimate response to intransigence and a surly approach... it intransigence and a surly approach- - -_ intransigence and a surly auroach... ,., ., ,., approach... it is a controversial approach- _ approach... it is a controversial approach. actually, _ approach... it is a controversial approach. actually, if _ approach... it is a controversial approach. actually, if the - approach... it is a controversial approach. actually, if the eu i approach... it is a controversiali approach. actually, if the eu as they were _

approach. actually, if the eu as they were saying, _ approach. actually, if the eu as they were saying, we _ approach. actually, if the eu as they were saying, we are - approach. actually, if the eu as they were saying, we are not i approach. actually, if the eu as i they were saying, we are not even going _ they were saying, we are not even going to _ they were saying, we are not even going to assess your seed potatoes, bahhed _ going to assess your seed potatoes, banned the — going to assess your seed potatoes, banned the english oak being sold in northerh_ banned the english oak being sold in northern ireland, not engage in the withdrawal agreement in the spirit intended, — withdrawal agreement in the spirit intended, that is a legitimate response. intended, that is a legitimate response-_ intended, that is a legitimate resonse. ., .,, ., y., ., intended, that is a legitimate resonse. ., ., response. thomasina, you run a big business with _ response. thomasina, you run a big business with 13 _ response. thomasina, you run a big business with 13 restaurants. - response. thomasina, you run a big business with 13 restaurants. when | business with 13 restaurants. when you listen to the politicking and part of the impact has been empty shells, how does it affect you running a company?- shells, how does it affect you running a company? what i find frustrating _ running a company? what i find frustrating about _ running a company? what i find frustrating about government i running a company? what i find i frustrating about government is running a company? what i find - frustrating about government is then never is a whole approach. food is linked to climate, biodiversity, public health which now costs us £74 billion a year, poor health which is diet —related. there is no coherence of government. we need systematic change, it is a time when we are sitting on in ourfood system. if we think cucumber and tomatoes are bad, it will be way worse in the next

decade. , ., ., , ., decade. george as environment secretary was — decade. george as environment secretary was running - decade. george as environment secretary was running that - decade. george as environment - secretary was running that system. dave, this government has got a lot of challenges you represent many of the people who work for the government and you have found they have a lot of challenges, what is your union doing? brute have a lot of challenges, what is your union doing?— have a lot of challenges, what is your union doing? we have surveyed the senior civil _ your union doing? we have surveyed the senior civil service _ your union doing? we have surveyed the senior civil service who - your union doing? we have surveyed the senior civil service who has - the senior civil service who has told us — the senior civil service who has told us one _ the senior civil service who has told us one in six have concerns about _ told us one in six have concerns about the — told us one in six have concerns about the inappropriate conduct of ministers, — about the inappropriate conduct of ministers, bullying and harassment, they dont— ministers, bullying and harassment, they don't trust the system to deal with out _ they don't trust the system to deal with out. the prime minister had a chance _ with out. the prime minister had a chance to — with out. the prime minister had a chance to do something but refused to introduce an independent process so we _ to introduce an independent process so we have — to introduce an independent process so we have written to the health and safety _ so we have written to the health and safety in _ so we have written to the health and safety in to — so we have written to the health and safety in to calling for an investigation.— safety in to calling for an investigation. safety in to calling for an investi . ation. , ~ investigation. viewers will think olitics is investigation. viewers will think politics is tough, _ investigation. viewers will think politics is tough, people - investigation. viewers will think i politics is tough, people worked under high pressure, is it that bad? that is what members are saying, tetting _ that is what members are saying, telling us — that is what members are saying, telling us about the conduct of ministers, the scale is daunting, about— ministers, the scale is daunting, about one — ministers, the scale is daunting, about one in six in the last 12

months — about one in six in the last 12 months reporting inappropriate conduct — months reporting inappropriate conduct from ministers across 20 government departments. civil servants— government departments. civil servants know it is tough, so the fact they— servants know it is tough, so the fact they are calling this out indicates the size of the problem. more from dave, thomasina and george later. we, of course, want to hear from you at home, too. we love hearing from you, and your emails and tweets are part of the conversation. let us know what you think on email: kuenssberg@bbc.co.uk. and social media, #bbclaurak. but first, some have called it a really nasty hangover from the brexit talks — sorting out the protocol. it's those post—brexit trading arrangements, and matters practically if you live in or do business with northern ireland where businesses are bound by some different trade rules, so that the border could be kept open with ireland. but it also matters symbolically a great dealfor rishi sunak

and the government, eager to move on from the whole conversation which has divided his party. dominic raab is rishi sunak�*s number two, and has had plenty of experience of brexit negotiations. ona on a scale of 1—10, how likely will we see a deal in the next few days? i wouldn't put it on a scale like that, there are always different bits of the jigsaw to put in place. there is no deal done until the whole deal is done. but we have made progress. the critical area is, and you talked about the issues affecting businesses, notjust businesses from one community but all communities in northern ireland in doing critical trade with the rest of great britain, is to make sure we shift away as the command paper talked about from checking every consignment going in from britain to northern ireland, to an intelligence —based approach, if there is a real problem, they are

checked. but we don't have a tick box approach. likewise, if we can persuade the eu as we have been trying for years, in terms of protecting their equities which we recognise, to a market—based surveillance approach which means they look at what is happening in they look at what is happening in the republic with goods that go to northern ireland in case there is a risk of them going into the wider single market, if we can achieve that, it will be a massive win. it sounds like both sides are result there is a deal to be done. but it is harder then for you to get it through your party. if there is a deal can you confirm to your colleagues and to our viewers mps will have a say, there will be a proper vote on a deal? yes, mps will get, have the opportunity to express themselves. there will be a vote to be clear, not a debate, but an actual boat? i not a debate, but an actual boat? i don't think anything ever gets nodded through parliament. the

reality is the details will be brought forward in the usual way. i don't want to get ahead, i understand what you save. there is a degree of quiet confidence about progress but we are not there yet. there will be a vote. parliament will have its ability to express itself. if will have its ability to express itself. , ., ., , , will have its ability to express itself. , ., ., ,, ., itself. if the dup who unionists had been concerned _ itself. if the dup who unionists had been concerned about, _ itself. if the dup who unionists had been concerned about, do - itself. if the dup who unionists had been concerned about, do not - itself. if the dup who unionists had been concerned about, do not vote | been concerned about, do not vote for the deal, will you withdraw it? i won't get into hypotheticals. it is a practical real question. if i won't get into hypotheticals. it| is a practical real question. if we aet a is a practical real question. if we get a deal. if _ is a practical real question. if we get a deal, if the _ is a practical real question. if we get a deal, if the dup, _ is a practical real question. if we get a deal, if the dup, i- is a practical real question. if we get a deal, if the dup, i won't i is a practical real question. if we: get a deal, if the dup, i won't get into ifs and buts, where we are right now... there has been a shift in approach, we recognise —— recognise the legitimate equities of the eu. it is fair to say they have moved. this approach to intelligence —based cheques, not tick box, market surveillance, and also a critical issue will be come at the start we talked about what is the impact on

businesses and consumers in northern ireland in all communities, if there are any new rules that would apply in relation to northern ireland it must be right that there is a northern irish democratic check on that. and again that would mark a significant shift in the paradigms of the arrangements. some colleagues will wonder why they come up with the conservatives consistently now 20 points behind in the polls, with questions about rishi sunak, they wonder why he is picking this fight. is it naive, or is it unusually courageous? are you talking about it as if politics should define this? politics will decide whether or not you can do this. find politics will decide whether or not you can do this.— politics will decide whether or not you can do this. and doing the right then the right _ you can do this. and doing the right then the right way _ you can do this. and doing the right then the right way for _ you can do this. and doing the right then the right way for all _ then the right way for all communities in northern ireland, protecting the good friday agreement which has come under pressure with the protocol, and if you ask about politics, fulfilling our manifesto commitment on brexit, in all those three areas, the prime minister is

seeking to do as a statesman to get the deal that will resolve this issues particularly whether for business from whichever community, but also the average citizen in northern ireland in the shops as a consumer. northern ireland in the shops as a consumer-— consumer. the politics of it, like it or not, — consumer. the politics of it, like it or not, viewers _ consumer. the politics of it, like it or not, viewers may _ consumer. the politics of it, like it or not, viewers may find - consumer. the politics of it, like it or not, viewers may find this l it or not, viewers may find this frustrating, the politics do determine whether it will come to pass. we remember 2018. this is what did for theresa may, you reside over this as brexit secretary. do you and rishi sunak think it will be easier? it is never easy but as you say i resigned over the deal explicity my fears about the northern ireland per took on. if we can get this over the line, we have made great progress, it would be a really important deal. and a deal with all the best will in the world and which no other prime minister before had been able to

secure. yes, it would mark a paradigms shift for the communities in northern ireland, but a significant achievement. for rishi sunak as prime _ significant achievement. for rishi sunak as prime minister. - significant achievement. for rishi sunak as prime minister. are - significant achievement. for rishi sunak as prime minister. are you | sunak as prime minister. are you confident he can get it through the conservative party? i confident he can get it through the conservative party?— conservative party? i never like predictions _ conservative party? i never like predictions but _ conservative party? i never like predictions but i _ conservative party? i never like predictions but i would - conservative party? i never like predictions but i would say - conservative party? i never like predictions but i would say talk| conservative party? i never like l predictions but i would say talk to what is in the deal because that is what is in the deal because that is what folks will want to hear. i have given you three examples, the democratic lock the institutions in northern ireland would have, and approach to intelligence —based approach to intelligence —based approach to intelligence —based approach to goods between gb and northern ireland... you approach to goods between gb and northern ireland...— northern ireland... you think it will be good — northern ireland... you think it will be good enough? - northern ireland... you think it will be good enough? well... l northern ireland... you think it l will be good enough? well... but actuall , will be good enough? well... but actually, these _ will be good enough? well... but actually, these are _ will be good enough? well... but actually, these are the _ will be good enough? well... but actually, these are the things - will be good enough? well... but| actually, these are the things that myself, george eustice, dare i say the erg, politicians in northern ireland, have been calling for. the key thing is deliver on those imperatives and hopefully we can persuade people on side. the civil servants union is claiming

nearly 70% of senior civil servants have no faith in a complaint about a minister's conduct would be dealt with value, is there a problem? first, we have zero tolerance for any bullying. it is the job of ministers and the pundits actually to make sure that is the case. you may refer to my own situation. i have been minister in a range of departments, secretary of state, foreign secretary, brexit etc t, justice secretary. the vast majority of the time the relationship is excellent. ministers are there to take responsibility, direct and be challenged, but in a professional and respectful way. we can't do it with —— without civil servants. i started off as a civil service lawyer. they are essential. that relationship is critically important and by and large most of the time it works effectively. the and by and large most of the time it works effectively.— works effectively. the fda is asking the health and _ works effectively. the fda is asking the health and safety _ works effectively. the fda is asking the health and safety executive - works effectively. the fda is asking

the health and safety executive to i the health and safety executive to investigate. that is their prerogative. i don't think there is an institutional problem. it is incumbent to try and make sure that relationship is as effective as possible and my message to the many civil servants i work with every day, you do an incredible job and whom we have a great relationship, ministerial challenge, candourfrom them is up are relationship, ministerial challenge, candour from them is up are best when we are there —— bigger than the sum of our parts. you when we are there -- bigger than the sum of our parts-— sum of our parts. you have already referenced — sum of our parts. you have already referenced your _ sum of our parts. you have already referenced your own _ sum of our parts. you have already referenced your own case. - sum of our parts. you have already referenced your own case. there i sum of our parts. you have already referenced your own case. there isj referenced your own case. there is an investigation into complaints about your behaviour as a minister. a viewer, michael wright, has written to ask, is dominic raab a bully? written to ask, is dominic raab a bull ? :, written to ask, is dominic raab a bully? ida. you are confident in bully? no. you are confident in that? yes- _ bully? no. you are confident in that? yes. can _ bully? no. you are confident in that? yes. can you _ bully? no. you are confident in that? yes. can you imagine - bully? no. you are confident in | that? yes. can you imagine any situation where _ that? yes can you imagine any

situation where someone may that? 123 can you imagine any situation where someone may have gone home at the end of the day and felt that way? i gone home at the end of the day and felt that way?— felt that way? i would be respectful of it and rrot — felt that way? i would be respectful of it and not get _ felt that way? i would be respectful of it and not get into _ felt that way? i would be respectful of it and not get into any _ felt that way? i would be respectful of it and not get into any of - felt that way? i would be respectful of it and not get into any of that. i of it and not get into any of that. i'm asking a question and you must know the answer to this, as someone who works in a very stressful environment, very high pressure jobs. have you everfelt environment, very high pressure jobs. have you ever felt when you have gone home at the end of the day, maybe i shouldn't have raised my voice or reacted in that way? or may be i didn't handle that very well? in may be i didn't handle that very well? . may be i didn't handle that very well? , :, may be i didn't handle that very well? . :, :, ~ may be i didn't handle that very well? , :, :, 4' , ' well? in terms of working stuff fallin: well? in terms of working stuff falling short — well? in terms of working stuff falling short of— well? in terms of working stuff falling short of any _ well? in terms of working stuff| falling short of any impropriety, well? in terms of working stuff - falling short of any impropriety, of course we learn lessons as we go and that's part of the relationship with civil servants but i'm confident i behaved professionally throughout. as i say, the vast lion's share of the time, the vast majority of cases and the time we spent together, civil servants and ministers work effectively together.—

civil servants and ministers work effectively together. when you were brexit secretary, _ effectively together. when you were brexit secretary, you _ effectively together. when you were brexit secretary, you said, - effectively together. when you were brexit secretary, you said, "i - effectively together. when you were brexit secretary, you said, "i say i brexit secretary, you said, "i say the things no one dares to." should there be more plain speaking in politics? there be more plain speaking in olitics? . there be more plain speaking in olitics? , :, , , , politics? yes, absolutely. this can be reconciled _ politics? yes, absolutely. this can be reconciled with _ politics? yes, absolutely. this can be reconciled with having - politics? yes, absolutely. this can be reconciled with having a - politics? yes, absolutely. this can be reconciled with having a zero i be reconciled with having a zero tolerance of bullying. we need ministers that come in, directly and correctly challenge ideas. 5a correctly challenge ideas. so ministers should be more like you, more direct and bold? i ministers should be more like you, more direct and bold?— ministers should be more like you, more direct and bold? i wouldn't be uuite so more direct and bold? i wouldn't be quite so immodest _ more direct and bold? i wouldn't be quite so immodest but _ more direct and bold? i wouldn't be quite so immodest but i _ more direct and bold? i wouldn't be quite so immodest but i do - more direct and bold? i wouldn't be quite so immodest but i do think i more direct and bold? i wouldn't be | quite so immodest but i do think we serve your viewers, it is critically important, and ifi serve your viewers, it is critically important, and if i look at thejob i'm doing at the moment, whether it's working with the government on northern ireland protocol, whether it's the big challenge of driving up convictions in rape cases. we have seen a two thirds in greece. i look at the victim is bill. we do need to have some pretty direct conversations but i'm proud i get to deliverfor conversations but i'm proud i get to deliver for the victims of crime,

but of course that can be reconciled with being professional and respectful. with being professional and respectful-— with being professional and resectful. ~ :. h , : respectful. what's the difference between being — respectful. what's the difference between being demanding - respectful. what's the difference between being demanding and i respectful. what's the difference - between being demanding and being demeaning? because there are many people who have spoken to newspapers or the bbc who feel you have crossed the line. i’m or the bbc who feel you have crossed the line. �* :, :, :, ::, the line. i'm not going to comment on matters — the line. i'm not going to comment on matters that _ the line. i'm not going to comment on matters that are _ the line. i'm not going to comment on matters that are subject - the line. i'm not going to comment on matters that are subject to - the line. i'm not going to comment on matters that are subject to an i on matters that are subject to an investigation, and frankly it's not really right for anyone that's worked in that context to be talking to the media but that's for the inquiry to deal with. we have that inquiry to deal with. we have that inquiry set up so it can deal with these matters in an impartial, independent way. i'm fully cooperative with it, in fact i called for it. i understand you are doing typically what any journalist would do but allow me to respect an independent inquiry. i think you know that's the proper thing for me to do. :. . , know that's the proper thing for me to do. :, , , :, know that's the proper thing for me to do. :,, , :, ., know that's the proper thing for me todo. , :, :, :, to do. lastly i want to ask about the case that — to do. lastly i want to ask about the case that relates _ to do. lastly i want to ask about the case that relates to - to do. lastly i want to ask about the case that relates to your - to do. lastly i want to ask about the case that relates to yourjob| to do. lastly i want to ask about l the case that relates to yourjob is just a secretary. this weekend the family ofjoanna simpson who was killed in horrific circumstances by

her ex—husband robert brown, there is an image of her there, herfamily have called on you to block his early release from prison. he served half of sentence, and we have a question from joanna's mother which we can show to viewers. she is asking why is he being automatically released halfway through his sentence without being mentally assessed first? and please, please, she is asking, can you meet with her so she can explain in person why the case has gone so wrong. would you be willing to meet diana? edi case has gone so wrong. would you be willing to meet diana?— willing to meet diana? of course, could i willing to meet diana? of course, could i meet _ willing to meet diana? of course, could i meet lots _ willing to meet diana? of course, could i meet lots of _ willing to meet diana? of course, could i meet lots of victims - willing to meet diana? of course, could i meet lots of victims in - could i meet lots of victims in these appalling cases. this case isn't coming up until later in the year. within the powers i've got i will look at this very rigorously. again, allow me to avoid prejudicing any decision but this is one of the reasons we increase sentencing in the act which labour blocked. that's

why i'm bringing forward very shortly reforms of the parole process because myjob is always to put victims first. so of course i will meet with her, and secondly to protect the public. bud will meet with her, and secondly to protect the public.— protect the public. and are you sympathetic — protect the public. and are you sympathetic to _ protect the public. and are you sympathetic to blocking - protect the public. and are you sympathetic to blocking the i protect the public. and are you - sympathetic to blocking the release of her daughter's killer? i sympathetic to blocking the release of her daughter's killer?— of her daughter's killer? i would risk being- -- _ of her daughter's killer? i would risk being... across _ of her daughter's killer? i would risk being... across the - of her daughter's killer? i would risk being... across the board i risk being... across the board people have noticed a change since i have come in asjustice secretary scrutinising exceptionally carefully parole decisions and i've also been clear i don't think the powers are adequate at the moment which is why we will be bringing forward legislative proposals shortly. i hope that is something that will have widespread... you might as david lammy, i hope he and labour will get behind that.— will get behind that. thank you for answerin: will get behind that. thank you for answering a _ will get behind that. thank you for answering a range _ will get behind that. thank you for answering a range of _ will get behind that. thank you for answering a range of questions. i

let's see what our trio at the desk made of that. dave penman — i know you'll have been listening carefully to his answers. what did you make of what he said? the picture he paints is that everything is fine in the civil service and the relationship between ministers and civil servants is ok, that's not the picture civil servants speak of, that is not their experience. come back to the .1 in six are saying they have experienced bullying or harassment or witnessed that in the last 12 months alone across 20 government departments and they don't have the confidence of challenging those behaviours. let’s challenging those behaviours. let's share some — challenging those behaviours. let's share some of _ challenging those behaviours. let's share some of the _ challenging those behaviours. let's share some of the comments your survey gathered with our viewers. one civil servant reported swearing and a minister being aggressive and critical with no right of reply. another said one of the ministers is monstrous and that nobody should have to put up with such a humourless slave driver. those sound like people feeling terrible things and terrible anxiety around work,

but politics is a very high pressure business. and from time to time, people working under great pressure and stress and responsibility might not behave in an ideal way. are you really saying this morning it is that bad? :. . :. really saying this morning it is that bad? :, , :, . that bad? that is what civil servants — that bad? that is what civil servants are _ that bad? that is what civil servants are telling - that bad? that is what civil servants are telling us. - that bad? that is what civil. servants are telling us. they that bad? that is what civil- servants are telling us. they work in that high pressured environment. the sort of people who get to work with ministers are the sort of people at the top of their career, many are hand—picked for thatjob and they know what it's like to work at the heart of government. they understand those pressures and they know the difference between a minister that is respectful of their professional opinion and their role as a civil servant and a bully. viewers heard dominic raab say he is working for the public, there is nothing wrong with having high standards, he even said more people should be plain speaking. plain s-ueakin should be plain speaking. plain speaking is _ should be plain speaking. plain speaking is different _ should be plain speaking. ii: “i speaking is different from bullying. one of the things that came out in our survey as well is that because of the humiliating, demeaning behaviour people are reporting, they are not giving ministers the advice they need. the ability to speak

truth to power, which is critical for the civil service, the point of having an impartial civil service is to give ministers that best advice. if that minister is aggressive, rude, humiliating and demeaning, will you give them that sort of advice, the very advice they need? the survey suggests that's not the case and the prime minister is aware as previous prime ministers have been as well. the committee for standards in public life has recommended an independent process is introduced becausejust now recommended an independent process is introduced because just now it requires a prime minister to get an investigation happening. civil servants are saying they have no confidence if they do challenge that behaviour anything will be done about it. i behaviour anything will be done about it. :. behaviour anything will be done about it. :, :, , , about it. i want to see if this matches _ about it. i want to see if this matches with _ about it. i want to see if this matches with any _ about it. i want to see if this matches with any of - about it. i want to see if this | matches with any of george's experience in government. this has been an extraordinarily turbulent period in politics. do you think the situation has got worse? maybe there

is a generational change because people perceive behaviours in different ways.— people perceive behaviours in different wa s. :, , different ways. from the comments it feels like it's — different ways. from the comments it feels like it's got _ different ways. from the comments it feels like it's got worse. _ different ways. from the comments it feels like it's got worse. if _ different ways. from the comments it feels like it's got worse. if you - feels like it's got worse. if you look at what's happened over the last few years, people have known under borisjohnson there is a prime minister who would do nothing about it. this entire system of challenging ministerial behaviour lies with the prime minister. you can't even get an investigation unless the prime minister agrees it, and only the prime minister makes a decision. dominic raab talked about an independent investigation. there might be someone investigating the facts but is not someone independent making a decision on it.— making a decision on it. george, you were a minister _ making a decision on it. george, you were a minister for _ making a decision on it. george, you were a minister for a _ making a decision on it. george, you were a minister for a long _ making a decision on it. george, you were a minister for a long time, - were a ministerfor a long time, does this ring true? idat were a minister for a long time, does this ring true?— were a minister for a long time, does this ring true? not in my case but i had does this ring true? not in my case but i had a — does this ring true? not in my case but i had a particular— does this ring true? not in my case but i had a particular approach - does this ring true? not in my case but i had a particular approach to i but i had a particular approach to these _ but i had a particular approach to these things _ but i had a particular approach to these things. in— but i had a particular approach to these things. in meetings- but i had a particular approach to these things. in meetings i- but i had a particular approach to| these things. in meetings i would always— these things. in meetings i would always try— these things. in meetings i would always try and _ these things. in meetings i would always try and get _ these things. in meetings i would always try and get some - these things. in meetings i would always try and get some of- these things. in meetings i would always try and get some of the i these things. in meetings i would i always try and get some of the more junior— always try and get some of the more junior civil _ always try and get some of the more junior civil servants— always try and get some of the more junior civil servants into _ always try and get some of the more junior civil servants into meetings i junior civil servants into meetings and engage — junior civil servants into meetings and engage them, _ junior civil servants into meetings and engage them, and _ junior civil servants into meetings and engage them, and it - junior civil servants into meetings and engage them, and it was - and engage them, and it was important _ and engage them, and it was important to _ and engage them, and it was important to try _ and engage them, and it was important to try and - and engage them, and it was important to try and put - and engage them, and it wasi important to try and put them and engage them, and it was . important to try and put them at ease: _ important to try and put them at ease, so— important to try and put them at ease, so not— important to try and put them at ease, so not to _ important to try and put them at ease, so not to be _ important to try and put them at ease, so not to be aggressive, i important to try and put them at. ease, so not to be aggressive, even if you _ ease, so not to be aggressive, even if you were — ease, so not to be aggressive, even if you were frustrated, _ ease, so not to be aggressive, even if you were frustrated, to _ ease, so not to be aggressive, evenj if you were frustrated, to encourage them _ if you were frustrated, to encourage them to— if you were frustrated, to encourage them to open— if you were frustrated, to encourage them to open up _

if you were frustrated, to encourage them to open up. yes, _ if you were frustrated, to encourage them to open up. yes, i— if you were frustrated, to encourage them to open up. yes, i would - if you were frustrated, to encourage them to open up. yes, i would say. them to open up. yes, i would say provocative — them to open up. yes, i would say provocative things _ them to open up. yes, i would say provocative things to _ them to open up. yes, i would say provocative things to try _ them to open up. yes, i would say provocative things to try to - them to open up. yes, i would sayl provocative things to try to provoke a response — provocative things to try to provoke a response but— provocative things to try to provoke a response but there _ provocative things to try to provoke a response but there isn't - provocative things to try to provoke a response but there isn't an - provocative things to try to provoke | a response but there isn't an excuse for getting _ a response but there isn't an excuse for getting angry _ a response but there isn't an excuse for getting angry or— a response but there isn't an excuse for getting angry or aggressive - a response but there isn't an excuse for getting angry or aggressive with| for getting angry or aggressive with people _ for getting angry or aggressive with people. otherwise _ for getting angry or aggressive with people. otherwise you _ for getting angry or aggressive with people. otherwise you don't - for getting angry or aggressive with people. otherwise you don't get. for getting angry or aggressive with| people. otherwise you don't get the best out— people. otherwise you don't get the best out of— people. otherwise you don't get the best out of them _ people. otherwise you don't get the best out of them and _ people. otherwise you don't get the best out of them and if— people. otherwise you don't get the best out of them and if there's - people. otherwise you don't get the best out of them and if there's a - best out of them and if there's a problem — best out of them and if there's a problem when _ best out of them and if there's a problem when something - best out of them and if there's a problem when something goes i best out of them and if there's a - problem when something goes wrong, they don't— problem when something goes wrong, they don't volunteer— problem when something goes wrong, they don't volunteer it. _ problem when something goes wrong, they don't volunteer it.— they don't volunteer it. westminster is the classic — they don't volunteer it. westminster is the classic rumour _ they don't volunteer it. westminster is the classic rumour mill, _ they don't volunteer it. westminster is the classic rumour mill, there - they don't volunteer it. westminster is the classic rumour mill, there is i is the classic rumour mill, there is a kind of body of knowledge. did you, and i won't ask you to name names, here at times about some of your colleagues behaving badly? obviously everyone is an individual and different— obviously everyone is an individual and different ministers— obviously everyone is an individual and different ministers will- obviously everyone is an individual and different ministers will have i and different ministers will have different — and different ministers will have different approaches. _ and different ministers will have different approaches. if- and different ministers will have different approaches. if you - and different ministers will have i different approaches. if you were and different ministers will have - different approaches. if you were to talk to— different approaches. if you were to talk to civil — different approaches. if you were to talk to civil servants, _ different approaches. if you were to talk to civil servants, they - different approaches. if you were to talk to civil servants, they would . talk to civil servants, they would have _ talk to civil servants, they would have ministers _ talk to civil servants, they would have ministers they _ talk to civil servants, they would have ministers they enjoyed - talk to civil servants, they would - have ministers they enjoyed working with and _ have ministers they enjoyed working with and ones— have ministers they enjoyed working with and ones they _ have ministers they enjoyed working with and ones they enjoyed - have ministers they enjoyed working with and ones they enjoyed working i with and ones they enjoyed working with and ones they enjoyed working with less _ with and ones they enjoyed working with less i— with and ones they enjoyed working with less. i don't— with and ones they enjoyed working with less. idon't think— with and ones they enjoyed working with less. i don't think the - with and ones they enjoyed working with less. i don't think the answer. with less. i don't think the answer is some _ with less. idon't think the answer is some sort— with less. idon't think the answer is some sort of— with less. idon't think the answer is some sort of independent- with less. i don't think the answer is some sort of independent bodyl with less. i don't think the answer. is some sort of independent body to be set _ is some sort of independent body to be set up _ is some sort of independent body to be set up the — is some sort of independent body to be set up. the truth— is some sort of independent body to be set up. the truth is— is some sort of independent body to be set up. the truth is the _ is some sort of independent body to be set up. the truth is the best - be set up. the truth is the best person— be set up. the truth is the best person to — be set up. the truth is the best person to take _ be set up. the truth is the best person to take a _ be set up. the truth is the best person to take a minister - be set up. the truth is the best person to take a minister aside j be set up. the truth is the best - person to take a minister aside and say look. _ person to take a minister aside and say look. you — person to take a minister aside and say look. you are _ person to take a minister aside and say look, you are not _ person to take a minister aside and say look, you are not handling - person to take a minister aside and say look, you are not handling thisl say look, you are not handling this correctly. — say look, you are not handling this correctly. it's _ say look, you are not handling this correctly, it's actually _ say look, you are not handling this correctly, it's actually the - correctly, it's actually the secretary _ correctly, it's actually the secretary of _ correctly, it's actually the secretary of state. - correctly, it's actually the secretary of state. if - correctly, it's actually the secretary of state. if the i correctly, it's actually the _ secretary of state. if the permanent secretary _ secretary of state. if the permanent secretary in — secretary of state. if the permanent secretary in a — secretary of state. if the permanent secretary in a department _ secretary of state. if the permanent secretary in a department says - secretary of state. if the permanent secretary in a department says we i secretary in a department says we have _ secretary in a department says we have a _ secretary in a department says we have a bit— secretary in a department says we have a bit of— secretary in a department says we have a bit of a _ secretary in a department says we have a bit of a problem _ secretary in a department says we have a bit of a problem with - secretary in a department says we l have a bit of a problem with one of your ministers, _ have a bit of a problem with one of your ministers, that _ have a bit of a problem with one of your ministers, that person- have a bit of a problem with one of your ministers, that person is- have a bit of a problem with one of your ministers, that person is the. your ministers, that person is the best to _ your ministers, that person is the best to do — your ministers, that person is the best to do it _

your ministers, that person is the best to do it. if— your ministers, that person is the best to do it. if it's _ your ministers, that person is the best to do it. if it's a _ your ministers, that person is the best to do it. if it's a bigger- best to do it. if it's a bigger problem _ best to do it. if it's a bigger problem with— best to do it. if it's a bigger problem with that - best to do it. if it's a bigger problem with that —— - best to do it. if it's a bigger problem with that —— than . best to do it. if it's a bigger- problem with that —— than that, then a cabinet _ problem with that —— than that, then a cabinet secretary, _ problem with that —— than that, then a cabinet secretary, chief— problem with that —— than that, then a cabinet secretary, chief of - problem with that —— than that, then a cabinet secretary, chief of staff, i a cabinet secretary, chief of staff, someone — a cabinet secretary, chief of staff, someone close _ a cabinet secretary, chief of staff, someone close to _ a cabinet secretary, chief of staff, someone close to the _ a cabinet secretary, chief of staff, someone close to the prime - a cabinet secretary, chief of staff, i someone close to the prime minister are in— someone close to the prime minister are in better— someone close to the prime minister are in better position— someone close to the prime minister are in better position to _ someone close to the prime minister are in better position to correct - are in better position to correct that behaviour. _ are in better position to correct that behaviour.— are in better position to correct that behaviour. that system has failed, that _ that behaviour. that system has failed, that is _ that behaviour. that system has failed, that is the _ that behaviour. that system has failed, that is the current - that behaviour. that system has . failed, that is the current system. at some point we get to a prime minister who would do something about it. the previous prime ministers have made it clear that's not the case, as we saw with the investigation into the home secretary. time and again they say there's no point raising a complaint because no one will address it. permanent secretaries don't address it because the prime minister will not back it. it relies on the prime minister doing the right thing, and if they don't the entire system falls apart? fill if they don't the entire system falls apart?— if they don't the entire system falls apart? if they don't the entire system fallsaart? : :, , falls apart? all i would say is if i was told there _ falls apart? all i would say is if i was told there was _ falls apart? all i would say is if i was told there was a _ falls apart? all i would say is if i was told there was a genuine i falls apart? all i would say is if i - was told there was a genuine problem and it's— was told there was a genuine problem and it's not— was told there was a genuine problem and it's notjust — was told there was a genuine problem and it's notjust a _ was told there was a genuine problem and it's notjust a personality- and it's notjust a personality trait. — and it's notjust a personality trait. this _ and it's notjust a personality trait, this is _ and it's notjust a personality trait, this is actually - and it's notjust a personality trait, this is actually causingl trait, this is actually causing stress, _ trait, this is actually causing stress, i_ trait, this is actually causing stress, i would _ trait, this is actually causing stress, i would have - trait, this is actually causing stress, i would have alwaysl trait, this is actually causing - stress, i would have always taken those _ stress, i would have always taken those i_ stress, i would have always taken those iused— stress, i would have always taken those. i used to _ stress, i would have always taken

those. i used to meet _ stress, i would have always taken those. i used to meet my- stress, i would have always taken i those. i used to meet my ministers weakly _ those. i used to meet my ministers weakl . �* . those. i used to meet my ministers weakl . v :. ~ those. i used to meet my ministers weakl. �*, :, ,, ., those. i used to meet my ministers weakl. �*, :, ~'.,,. �* weakly. let's talk about brexit. the prime minister _ weakly. let's talk about brexit. the prime minister has _ weakly. let's talk about brexit. the prime minister has been _ weakly. let's talk about brexit. the prime minister has been busy - weakly. let's talk about brexit. the . prime minister has been busy writing about how he will get this deal or he hopes he will get this deal. he has in the sunday telegraph and he also done an interview with the sunday times, saying it's all going to be fine. from what you heard dominic raab say, george, do you think your colleagues will back the deal we think rishi sunak has? late deal we think rishi sunak has? we have to wait and see exactly what's proposed _ have to wait and see exactly what's proposed but— have to wait and see exactly what's proposed but if— have to wait and see exactly what's proposed but if speculation - have to wait and see exactly what's proposed but if speculation is - have to wait and see exactly what's proposed but if speculation is right| proposed but if speculation is right and it's— proposed but if speculation is right and it's about _ proposed but if speculation is right and it's about green _ proposed but if speculation is right and it's about green lanes- proposed but if speculation is right and it's about green lanes and - proposed but if speculation is right and it's about green lanes and redl and it's about green lanes and red lanes— and it's about green lanes and red lanes and — and it's about green lanes and red lanes and no— and it's about green lanes and red lanes and no requirement - and it's about green lanes and red lanes and no requirement for - lanes and no requirement for paperwork— lanes and no requirement for paperwork when _ lanes and no requirement for paperwork when goods - lanes and no requirement for paperwork when goods are i lanes and no requirement for - paperwork when goods are going just in northern— paperwork when goods are going just in northern ireland, _ paperwork when goods are going just in northern ireland, that— paperwork when goods are going just in northern ireland, that is— paperwork when goods are going just in northern ireland, that is close - in northern ireland, that is close to what— in northern ireland, that is close to what we — in northern ireland, that is close to what we proposed _ in northern ireland, that is close to what we proposed way - in northern ireland, that is close to what we proposed way back. in northern ireland, that is close to what we proposed way back in august— to what we proposed way back in august 2021 _ to what we proposed way back in august 2021 in _ to what we proposed way back in august 2021 in the _ to what we proposed way back in august 2021 in the days - to what we proposed way back in august 2021 in the days of- to what we proposed way back in august 2021 in the days of borisl august 2021 in the days of boris johnson — august 2021 in the days of boris johnson so— august 2021 in the days of boris johnson. , :, ,:, august 2021 in the days of boris johnson. , :, :, johnson. so things that were said to be ossible johnson. so things that were said to be possible have _ johnson. so things that were said to be possible have magically - johnson. so things that were said to be possible have magically become| be possible have magically become possible because the politics are a bit different perhaps? ta possible because the politics are a bit different perhaps?— bit different perhaps? to be fair, the bill may _ bit different perhaps? to be fair, the bill may have _ bit different perhaps? to be fair, the bill may have flushed - bit different perhaps? to be fair, the bill may have flushed out. bit different perhaps? to be fair, | the bill may have flushed out the european — the bill may have flushed out the european union _ the bill may have flushed out the european union and _ the bill may have flushed out the european union and addressed i the bill may have flushed out the - european union and addressed some of their intransigence _ european union and addressed some of their intransigence in _ european union and addressed some of their intransigence in this _ european union and addressed some of their intransigence in this area. -

their intransigence in this area. even _ their intransigence in this area. even members— their intransigence in this area. even members like _ their intransigence in this area. even members like norway- their intransigence in this areal even members like norway have their intransigence in this area. - even members like norway have an eeta _ even members like norway have an eeta caught— even members like norway have an efta caught with _ even members like norway have an efta caught with a _ even members like norway have an efta caught with a political - efta caught with a political dimension~ _ efta caught with a political dimension.— efta caught with a political dimension. , :, , dimension. maybe one day we will be able to stop — dimension. maybe one day we will be able to stop talking _ dimension. maybe one day we will be able to stop talking about _ dimension. maybe one day we will be able to stop talking about all - dimension. maybe one day we will be able to stop talking about all these i able to stop talking about all these acronyms. business has been a big factor for acronyms. business has been a big factorfor all acronyms. business has been a big factor for all sorts of reasons and this week we see pictures of empty shelves in our supermarkets, which is partly down to brexit, partly down to freak weather in morocco, partly down to all sorts of things so it cannot be pinned on brexit, but how do you feel this situation has been handled? because empty shelves hadn't suddenly appeared, have they? i shelves hadn't suddenly appeared, have the ? ~ :. shelves hadn't suddenly appeared, have the ? ~' :, , :, , have they? i think the main problem is the empty — have they? i think the main problem is the empty shelves, _ have they? i think the main problem is the empty shelves, it _ have they? i think the main problem is the empty shelves, it seems - have they? i think the main problem is the empty shelves, it seems to i have they? i think the main problemj is the empty shelves, it seems to be a massive _ is the empty shelves, it seems to be a massive surprise to us that they are empty— a massive surprise to us that they are empty but no one is admitting the current— are empty but no one is admitting the current system is completely broken — the current system is completely broken. there is a propaganda that the free _ broken. there is a propaganda that the free system recklessly divided cheap _ the free system recklessly divided cheap food for all but the system it depends _ cheap food for all but the system it depends is— cheap food for all but the system it depends is rife with insecurities, whether— depends is rife with insecurities, whether it's to do with climate

biodiversity or i imagine publichealth and how much it is costing — publichealth and how much it is costing the taxpayer, but it's killing — costing the taxpayer, but it's killing people. diabetes is killing people _ killing people. diabetes is killing people more than smoking and alcohol and no _ people more than smoking and alcohol and no one _ people more than smoking and alcohol and no one is addressing that. we have _ and no one is addressing that. we have this — and no one is addressing that. we have this problem with our food culture — have this problem with our food culture and i think it is compounded by government who seem to think good food is _ by government who seem to think good food is a _ by government who seem to think good food is a luxury. take food in schools _ food is a luxury. take food in schools. we have listened a lot about _ schools. we have listened a lot about people, kids from low income is not _ about people, kids from low income is not being — about people, kids from low income is not being able to afford free school — is not being able to afford free school meals. the travesty is food in most _ school meals. the travesty is food in most schools is awful. the charity— in most schools is awful. the charity we _ in most schools is awful. the charity we set up foreign one half years— charity we set up foreign one half years ago— charity we set up foreign one half years ago is showing it's perfectly possible to feed people great food at a really reasonable cost. when at a really reasonable cost. when ou sa at a really reasonable cost. when you say our _ at a really reasonable cost. when you say our food _ at a really reasonable cost. when you say our food system - at a really reasonable cost. when you say our food system is - at a really reasonable cost. when . you say our food system is broken, what do you mean by that? the you say our food system is broken, what do you mean by that? the way we farm is incredibly _ what do you mean by that? the way we farm is incredibly oil _ what do you mean by that? the way we farm is incredibly oil intensive - what do you mean by that? the way we farm is incredibly oil intensive and - farm is incredibly oil intensive and contributes — farm is incredibly oil intensive and contributes to 30% of global greenhouse gas emissions, so the way we farm _ greenhouse gas emissions, so the way we farm not— greenhouse gas emissions, so the way we farm not only contributes to carbon — we farm not only contributes to carbon warming but also it's degrading our soils so unless we get

behind _ degrading our soils so unless we get behind the _ degrading our soils so unless we get behind the farmers support them in modern _ behind the farmers support them in modern ways of agriculture... is a regenerative farming, there's lots of myths— regenerative farming, there's lots of myths about it, it's not rewilding, not going back to an area of small— rewilding, not going back to an area of small fields and donkeys, it is using _ of small fields and donkeys, it is using amazing technology, amazing companies with tiny robots, and it's feeding _ companies with tiny robots, and it's feeding the — companies with tiny robots, and it's feeding the masses. wild farms are producing _ feeding the masses. wild farms are producing wheat for burger king and nando's _ producing wheat for burger king and nando's in planet friendly way. george. — nando's in planet friendly way. george, you are environment secretary for a long time, you have heard thomasina say the food system is broken and this week national farmers' union have said basically we have market failure. from what thomasina says, you have made iaman i am an advocate of regenerative agriculture. first, we have a cocktail of weather events as a trigger. underline that, two things,

food prices have been intrinsically linked to energy costs. fertilisers, tractor fuel is linked to the cost of energy so when you have a massive spike in energy, food prices followed typically three months later. if it is a really big spike, you get supply chain shortages because everybody goes closer to the wire than they would because they can't afford things. businesses scale back production, delayed planting in greenhouses, supermarket buyers take more chances on more primitive agriculture practices. these farming methods are so environmentally unfriendly. we won't -et environmentally unfriendly. we won't get less— environmentally unfriendly. we won't get less of— environmentally unfriendly. we won't get less of these extreme weather instances — get less of these extreme weather instances but more. why isn't the government supporting farmers to do better— government supporting farmers to do better things? there has been such a delay— better things? there has been such a delay on— better things? there has been such a delay on giving farmers visibility on this, —

delay on giving farmers visibility on this, we need to invest for better— on this, we need to invest for better food. i don't accept that, we have half of farmers in countryside stewardship doing the regenerative agriculture. we have made huge progress. more is being done. there is a sustainable farming incentive that i designed. newspapers are mounting campaigns. there are conversations in government whether the limits on quotas bringing vegetables from other countries should be lifted. this is not a small problem. there isn't much difference the government could have done nothing they can do immediately. we will have three or four weeks of this. longer term there are things we should do. we had a new strategy on food lastjuly, we should be committing to onshore production,

glasshouse production of tomatoes here. a more enlightened approach to labour. all things the nfu will say they have called on for a while. we need to move on. i want to give thomasina some warning many of you will have heard the environment secretary talking about turnips and cherishing our home—grown veg. your challenge for the end of the programme is to come up with a tasty turnip suggestion for our viewers! the tories are highly likely to have a torrid few days on brexit — what's new! but the question isn't competely straightforward for their opponents either. after starting this week by announcing labour's five big missions, keir starmer has said he'd march his troops through the voting lobbies to back the agreement, if it emerges — but if there were in power — how would they handle the relationship across the channel?

the man who knows a thing or two about that is david lammy — who'd be foreign secretary if the party wins the election. welcome. do you want to praise rishi sunakfor sorting this welcome. do you want to praise rishi sunak for sorting this out? we said we felt that this could be sorted out with negotiation, that we had to roll up our sleeves and just as we got the good friday agreement, we could get a deal here. so i am pleased of course that finally it looks like we might get that deal in the coming days. worried a bit that the coming days. worried a bit that the unionists have not been kept in the unionists have not been kept in the mix but if he is able to pull off a deal, we will support it because we think it would be an improvement on what we have got at the moment. let us look at the detail in the coming days but all credit to rishi sunak. would you support a deal even if the dup and northern irish unionists are not happy? look, the dup have set out seven

tests and understandably they will want to look at the detail of any deal as against that test, and i hope that they feel able to support a deal. their support is vital to, for the next domino to hopefully many would say get the stormont assembly back up say get the stormont assembly back up and running so that is critical here. if the dup don't back the deal with labour still back it? ourjudgment is that any deal that emerges will be better than what we have got now. i was in londonderry a view weeks ago looking at the issues, we think they can be overcome, we have seen the discussions on green lanes and red names, on goods that might travel from the uk into northern ireland and then into the republic of ireland. there is already a deal on data. it is our view that in the national interest of our country and

of northern ireland, of getting back to stormont as well, that it is important for labour to lend the prime minister the vote to get this deal through. i am hearing then it is not a red line if they dup don't back it. if we determine it is in the national interest and i think it is likely we will. this is a hangoverfrom brexit in some ways. maybe you would fancy a big rethink, you were one of the politicians at a weekend away at a stately home in oxfordshire, that gathering was called, how to make brexit work better, with top tories including michael gove. what were you all doing? this including michael gove. what were you all doing? including michael gove. whatwere ou alldoinu? , what were you all doing? this is one of our great — what were you all doing? this is one of our great foreign _ what were you all doing? this is one of our great foreign policy _ what were you all doing? this is one of our great foreign policy think - of our great foreign policy think tanks. you will know that in the end foreign policy operates in three zones, you have diplomacy where obviously people like me are careful

with our language. you have the private domain where you have robust conversations in private, and chatham house rules, and this was a chatham house rules, and this was a chatham house rules forum party which must be a good thing where experts were there, former officials, former diplomat, where we were able to discuss the issues, what is important to the british economy and how do we move forward. it is important to say that we have a review of the trade deal that was struck with the european union in 2025. labourfeels that struck with the european union in 2025. labour feels that yes we have left the eu, yes, we are not in the single market, yes we are not in a customs union, but these are our friends, we want structured dialogue again, we think we can make pros —— progress on the science deal, student mobility, issues like that, and sector by sector let us look at

the trade deal, where there is friction, and see if we can make progress. you are saying very clearly you want a closer relationship again in some errors. but the eu always drives a hard bargain, they won't give you any of that without something in return. would a labour government be willing to give some power back or perhaps some cash, or perhaps something in return, you mentioned student mobility, perhaps freedom of movement of students back to the uk, would a labour government be willing to give things back to the eu in return for a closer relationship? actually, it is the french, germans and others across europe that are raising fact that they lament and are worried about the fact that their students are not now able to come to british universities in this way. of course it is in negotiation. of course it is a quid pro quo. i cannot set out the terms of that

negotiation before we actually win power. but the principles... the principles that i can set out our that we will not be returning to the single market, we will not be returning to a customs union, we have a trade deal in 2025 and it is my sincere hope we are able to look through sectors and deal with friction. it is in the interests of the eu to want to do that. all scientists are saying we should be in horizon, everyone is raising the issue of qualifications, artists can't now play in germany and centres are like that, so there are errors where europeans are raising issues they want to deal with where of course we are raising issues. the important issue is none of this is on the table, because of the problems with the northern ireland protocol bill which has upset our european partners and ourfriends in

washington. that is what we need to get over. it will be an interesting few days on that issue, and for labour for different reasons. luciana berger was an mp who left the party over anti—semitism, is back. keir starmer launched his five missions this week which sounded like tony blair's five pledges on that famous pledge card, bring back many memories for you, backin bring back many memories for you, back in 1997? now lord sainsbury has opened up his very large cheque book to donate to the party again. it does seem week after week that your bosses are notjust keen on finding ways of saying to the public, labour has changed, but also trying to wind up has changed, but also trying to wind up jeremy corbyn's has changed, but also trying to wind upjeremy corbyn's supporters, is that what he is doing? ida. up jeremy corbyn's supporters, is that what he is doing?— up jeremy corbyn's supporters, is that what he is doing? no, none of us would have _ that what he is doing? no, none of us would have anticipated - that what he is doing? no, none of us would have anticipated that - that what he is doing? no, none of us would have anticipated that keir starmer would have got us to this point after the dire night we lived

through, the general election result in 2019, the worst result since 1935, for the labour party, and all credit for keir starmer in getting us to this point. but credit for keir starmer in getting us to this point.— credit for keir starmer in getting us to this point. but he has upset --eole on us to this point. but he has upset people on the _ us to this point. but he has upset people on the left _ us to this point. but he has upset people on the left of— us to this point. but he has upset people on the left of the - us to this point. but he has upset people on the left of the party. i us to this point. but he has upset| people on the left of the party. he however is intent on making these changes and you have said it is important but you once apologised for nominating jeremy corbyn, should keir starmer also apologise? the labour party _ keir starmer also apologise? the labour party is — keir starmer also apologise? i“i2 labour party is a socially democratic party of socialists, democrats as well, and the trade union movement. at our best, we delivered progressive change, that is what clement attlee did when he set up the nhs and move britain on after the second world war, that is what harold wilson did with the white heat of technology and i was proud to be part of what tony and gordon brown did. these five missions are growth, the highest growth in the g7, a major

achievement if we deliver that. a clean power by 2030. making progress for safer streets. on health and education and opportunities, that is the ambition britain deserves. i am proud to be associated with that. of course you want the broadest coalition to achieve government. labour was only in power in the 20th century for 23 years, it is myjob along with keir starmer and all of my colleagues to deliver much more in the 21st and i look forward to that. i in the 21st and i look forward to that. ~' :, :, that. i think we will hear more about those _ that. i think we will hear more about those five _ that. i think we will hear more about those five missions - that. i think we will hear more | about those five missions from that. i think we will hear more - about those five missions from keir starmer. it seems c5 is the number of the moment. thank you for coming in. as we talked about last week, nicola sturgeon's decision to quit shocked the political world — maybe you too — but politics moves so fast the snp is already in the middle of a heated contest to replace her. three candidates are in the race — kate forbes, ash regan and humza yousaf.

it has already got very heated with a row over equal marriage. humza joins us from dundee. welcome to the programme. your rival kate forbes was pilloried for saying she didn't back equal marriage as a result of her christian faith. it's interesting this morning — the scottish assocation of mosques has said it's been refreshing actually to hear someone talk about their faith. and it's disappointing that holding those views has led some to say she's not fit for office. do you think we've seen intolerance this week? look, i think what is important is people of faith and i consider myself one of them, i will be fasting for ramadan in a few weeks, it is legitimate to hold those religious views. what i said clearly in terms of my own position is i don't use my faith as a basis for legislation and legislating, that is not what the job of policymakers is.

we need to look at what we think is in the best interests of society as a whole. i have been a supporter of equality all my life and will continue to be and i think the snp has done very well in attracting people to our party and our movement through the progressive agenda we have. on top of that when you are first minister, you are first ministerfor first minister, you are first minister for scotland and people want to know they will have a first minister who won't just want to know they will have a first minister who won'tjust protect their rights but advance their rights where possible. would it be acceptable to have a first minister who did not believe in equal marriage? again, for me, i think the first minister, people will look to them to ensure that they share their values. i want somebody who is in a 93v values. i want somebody who is in a gay relationship to look at me and have faith that i would not think that their marriage is somehow inferior to mine.

would it be acceptable in your view for the first minister to be someone who did not agree with equal marriage? not if they would roll back on those rights, that is not acceptable. we have equal marriage now in scotland. if they could disassociate their view and not let it interfere with legislating, that is different. if they have already said they would roll back and vote against those rights, then what would happen for example if somebody bought in a piece of legislation to roll back on equal marriage? people in society need to know whoever is first minister will stand up for those rights, advance rights where possible and make sure there is no regression of rights. i have lived my whole life as a minority in this country. my rights are interdependent with other people's rights. i don't want anybody�*s right to be withdrawn or chipped away because if they are done for one group it will happen to another group.

it's been a controversial few days in the leadership race, and a very seniorfigure in the snp, alex neil, in charge of that legislation said in charge of that legislation said in public that you asked not to take part in one of the votes on equal marriage because you were facing pressure from religious figures. is that true? :, : ~' that true? no. alex neil, i think it is fair to say. _ that true? no. alex neil, i think it is fair to say, is _ that true? no. alex neil, i think it is fair to say, is backing _ that true? no. alex neil, i think it is fair to say, is backing another. is fair to say, is backing another candidate and the fact this issue has been dragged up nine years on in the midst of a leadership campaign probably tells you the motivation behind it. ivoted probably tells you the motivation behind it. i voted for the bill at stage one, i would vote for it now. i wasn't at the stage three vote because there was an unavoidable meeting with the pakistani government because we were trying to release six a scottish individual on blasphemy on death row and it was important that individual was released. we managed to get him released. we managed to get him released and that's why the meeting took place. but

released and that's why the meeting took lace. �* . released and that's why the meeting took lace. �* , :, , released and that's why the meeting tooklace. �* , :, , , , took place. but this matters because it's whether — took place. but this matters because it's whether the _ took place. but this matters because it's whether the public _ took place. but this matters because it's whether the public can _ took place. but this matters because it's whether the public can trust - it's whether the public can trust what snp politicians are saying. you are saying this morning alex neil is not telling the truth because he wants someone else to win the race to become first minister, that's what you are saying? i to become first minister, that's what you are saying?— to become first minister, that's what you are saying? i have been very clear — what you are saying? i have been very clear in _ what you are saying? i have been very clear in this _ what you are saying? i have been very clear in this campaign, - what you are saying? i have been very clear in this campaign, i'm i what you are saying? i have been i very clear in this campaign, i'm not going to sling mud at any individuals in this contest or people who put their head above the parapet. i will leave alex neil to say what he wants to say. tall say what he wants to say. you already said — say what he wants to say. you already said he's _ say what he wants to say. you already said he's doing it because he has other motivations. i’m already said he's doing it because he has other motivations. i'm saying the context — he has other motivations. i'm saying the context of _ he has other motivations. i'm saying the context of his _ he has other motivations. i'm saying the context of his remarks _ he has other motivations. i'm saying the context of his remarks is - he has other motivations. i'm saying the context of his remarks is that. the context of his remarks is that he is supporting another candidate, thatis he is supporting another candidate, that is for him to justify why he is saying what he is saying and i explained this issue back in 2014. that explanation seems by everybody to have been accepted, and now in the heat of an election campaign people have decided to bring it back to the fore. at my record on equality, whether it is equal marriage, are well known. abate

equality, whether it is equal marriage, are well known. are you frustrated this _ marriage, are well known. are you frustrated this race _ marriage, are well known. are you frustrated this race has _ marriage, are well known. are you frustrated this race has already - marriage, are well known. are you | frustrated this race has already got a bit dirty? i frustrated this race has already got a bit di ? ~' frustrated this race has already got a bit di ? ~ , a bit dirty? i think it is frustrating. _ a bit dirty? i think it is frustrating. there - a bit dirty? | think it is| frustrating. there have a bit dirty? i think it is - frustrating. there have been a bit dirty? i think it is _ frustrating. there have been some issues that have dominated, like the ones we have just been discussing, and actually a lot of people, not to say the issues aren't important, but a lot of people want to hear what we can do to ease the cost of living crisis. i will be setting some of that out in the coming days, what we can do to grow our economy. i think they both go hand in hand, social solidarity and economic dynamism. what can we do to further the cause of independence? that's even more important now than ever before. these are issues i hope we will get onto but it's important that people know whether the person who will be leader of notjust know whether the person who will be leader of not just the know whether the person who will be leader of notjust the snp but first minister of scotland shares the values of the majority of scotland, but equally will ensure their rights are notjust protected but where possible advanced.— are notjust protected but where possible advanced. let's talk about our possible advanced. let's talk about your record — possible advanced. let's talk about your record then _ possible advanced. let's talk about your record then because _ possible advanced. let's talk about your record then because viewers . possible advanced. let's talk about | your record then because viewers in scotland will know that you are a

very experienced minister, you've held a range ofjobs in holyrood, but your opponents point to some doubts about your record as well. as health secretary in scotland, by many measures the nhs has been getting worse. the targets of recruiting 800 gps is not on track according to an independent report recently, and hospitals have recorded their worst ever a&e times, so why should people trust you to be first minister when your record in running the health service in scotland according to your critics is not great? scotland according to your critics is rrot great?— is not great? every single health service in the _ is not great? every single health service in the entire _ is not great? every single health service in the entire uk - is not great? every single health service in the entire uk is - is not great? every single health service in the entire uk is facing| service in the entire uk is facing long waits and challenges. because we were all affected by the global pandemic, the biggest shock of the nhs has faced in its 74 year history. nhs has faced in its 74 year histo . �* . . nhs has faced in its 74 year histo . �* , , history. it's 'ust the same in encland history. it'sjust the same in england and _ history. it'sjust the same in england and wales - history. it'sjust the same in england and wales but - history. it'sjust the same in england and wales but it. history. it'sjust the same in england and wales but it is| history. it'sjust the same in i england and wales but it is not history. it'sjust the same in - england and wales but it is not all down to covid. edit england and wales but it is not all down to covid.— down to covid. of course it is not, but it would _ down to covid. of course it is not, but it would be _ down to covid. of course it is not, but it would be foolish _ down to covid. of course it is not, but it would be foolish for- down to covid. of course it is not, | but it would be foolish for anybody to suggest the global pandemic,

which has been the biggest shock in our health service has faced, has not been a significant factor. that's why in the conservative led england you are facing those challenges, and in labour run wales. what's different here in scotland is that we have not had a single day of strikes from nurses or ambulance drivers. why? not down to coincidence but because i have reached across the table, worked with trade unions and meaningfully engaged with them, resolved disputes, compromised where necessary. that means our nhs in scotland are the best paid in the entire uk. those are the kind of skills that could be very useful for the job of first minister.— skills that could be very useful for the job of first minister. the “0b of first minister. when you are the job of first minister. when you are justice secretary, _ the job of first minister. when you are justice secretary, violent - the job of first minister. when you | are justice secretary, violent crime arejustice secretary, violent crime went up. when you finished as transport secretary, things in the train service in scotland had got so bad the whole thing was taken into public ownership. {in bad the whole thing was taken into public ownership.— public ownership. on trains, i laid the groundwork— public ownership. on trains, i laid the groundwork for _ public ownership. on trains, i laid the groundwork for the _ public ownership. on trains, i laid the groundwork for the service i public ownership. on trains, i laid the groundwork for the service to | public ownership. on trains, i laid i the groundwork for the service to go into public ownership... the groundwork for the service to go into public ownership. . ._ the groundwork for the service to go into public ownership... because the

service had — into public ownership... because the service had got _ into public ownership... because the service had got so _ into public ownership... because the service had got so bad! _ into public ownership. .. because the service had got so bad! i _ into public ownership. .. because the service had got so bad! i think- into public ownership... because the service had got so bad! i think it's i service had got so bad! i think it's treat we service had got so bad! i think it's great we have _ service had got so bad! i think it's great we have public— service had got so bad! i think it's great we have public ownership i service had got so bad! i think it's great we have public ownership of our rail service and i oversaw the completion and brought in under budget. asjustice secretary, the person who announced a pardon for minors convicted in 1984 and 1985. i am thejustice secretary minors convicted in 1984 and 1985. i am the justice secretary that brought forward a hate crime bill only had one of the party supporting it at the introduction, but through negotiation, discussion and compromise where necessary, every single party by the conservatives supported the hate crime bill which advanced rights for minorities right across scotland. so that's the track record i will be standing on. not only that, i think i have the skills and the ability to further the cause of independence, and for me that will be crucial to get us out of this unequal union that is causing so much harm to our citizens. i want to ask about— so much harm to our citizens. i want to ask about some _ so much harm to our citizens. i want to ask about some of _ so much harm to our citizens. i want to ask about some of the _ so much harm to our citizens. i want to ask about some of the things - to ask about some of the things nicola sturgeon has left behind in

scotland which aren't in great shape and there is a bit of a mess over the recycling scheme where people are meant to be able to get money back when they take cans and bottles to be recycled but some people worry they will be put out of business by that. :, , :, , that. for me the deposit return scheme is _ that. for me the deposit return scheme is important. _ that. for me the deposit return scheme is important. it - that. for me the deposit return scheme is important. it wasn'tl that. for me the deposit return - scheme is important. it wasn't long ago the world descended on glasgow and cop27 to rededicate ourselves to tackling the climate emergency. the deposit return schemes operate in countries across the world so the big operators should be held to account for those bottles and cans that litter our streets and beaches. what i will do though, because i have heard from small business in particular, if i'm elected first minister, then i will exclude small businesses for the first year of operation of that scheme. because it's not the craft breweries or gin makers which are causing the issue, it's the big producers that are the ones we should be targeting. that will be interesting _ ones we should be targeting. that will be interesting to see how people react to that in scotland,

but snp voters want to know when as first minister you could deliver independence and how. haifa first minister you could deliver independence and how.- first minister you could deliver independence and how. how is really im ortant independence and how. how is really important because _ independence and how. how is really important because our— independence and how. how is really important because our opponents i independence and how. how is really| important because our opponents are desperate to keep us in this quagmire of process. the how if you deal with the why becomes inevitable. so if we increase support for independence, make it sustainable, sustained majority bit, because at the moment there will be one poll at 51%, another at 49 and it fluctuates. if we create a sustained, settled well, the majority of people supporting independence, the political obstacles put in the way by our opposition will crumble.- opposition will crumble. nicola stura eon opposition will crumble. nicola sturgeon wanted _ opposition will crumble. nicola sturgeon wanted to _ opposition will crumble. nicola sturgeon wanted to treat - opposition will crumble. nicola sturgeon wanted to treat the i opposition will crumble. nicola i sturgeon wanted to treat the next general election as if it was a de facto referendum, and we are nearly out of time but are you dropping that idea? i’m out of time but are you dropping that idea? �* :, :, that idea? i'm not wedded to the idea of a general— that idea? i'm not wedded to the idea of a general election - that idea? i'm not wedded to the idea of a general election as -

that idea? i'm not wedded to the idea of a general election as a i that idea? i'm not wedded to the idea of a general election as a de facto referendum, but every single election the snp fights under my leadership will be about the issue of independence. but i think it's right we reenergise the membership, bring them together and have a series of discussions about what the route should be forward, and the leadership should act on that collective mandate. let's not wait for that process, let's get out there, pound every pavement and look people in their eyes and tell them why they need independence now. if we get that settled, sustained majority, then independence will absolutely be inevitable. fiifi majority, then independence will absolutely be inevitable. ok, thank ou ve absolutely be inevitable. ok, thank you very much _ absolutely be inevitable. ok, thank you very much for _ absolutely be inevitable. ok, thank you very much for coming - absolutely be inevitable. ok, thank you very much for coming on - absolutely be inevitable. ok, thank you very much for coming on the i you very much for coming on the programme, humza yousaf, and hopefully in the coming weeks we will hear from the other candidates too. it's nearly ten, and our hour together�*s raced by. we started this morning looking ahead to the big debate of the week

if rishi sunak has the authority to drive a brexit deal through. this is what dominic raab had to say. ii this is what dominic raab had to sa . , :, :, , ~' this is what dominic raab had to sa. :, say. if you ask about the politics, we need to _ say. if you ask about the politics, we need to fulfil— say. if you ask about the politics, we need to fulfil our— say. if you ask about the politics, we need to fulfil our manifesto i we need to fulfil our manifesto commitment on brexit. what the prime minister is seeking to do as a statesman is get to the deal. george, you were part of successive tory administrations trying to ram through different versions of brexit. you sounded enthusiastic about what the government might come back with but one of your former cabinet colleagues said to me this weekend if rishi sunak gets this wrong, it could be curtains for him. i think we have had enough of chopping _ i think we have had enough of chopping and _ i think we have had enough of chopping and changing - i think we have had enough of| chopping and changing leaders i think we have had enough of. chopping and changing leaders in i think we have had enough of- chopping and changing leaders in the conservative — chopping and changing leaders in the conservative party— chopping and changing leaders in the conservative party and _ chopping and changing leaders in the conservative party and i— chopping and changing leaders in the conservative party and i think - chopping and changing leaders in the conservative party and i think rishi i conservative party and i think rishi sunak— conservative party and i think rishi sunak has— conservative party and i think rishi sunak has made _ conservative party and i think rishi sunak has made a _ conservative party and i think rishi sunak has made a strong _ conservative party and i think rishi sunak has made a strong start, - conservative party and i think rishi sunak has made a strong start, he| conservative party and i think rishi i sunak has made a strong start, he is showing _ sunak has made a strong start, he is showing good — sunak has made a strong start, he is showing good judgment— sunak has made a strong start, he is showing good judgment and - sunak has made a strong start, he is showing good judgment and actually| showing good judgment and actually we should _ showing good judgment and actually we should just — showing good judgment and actually we should just get _ showing good judgment and actually we should just get behind _ showing good judgment and actually we should just get behind him. - showing good judgment and actually we should just get behind him. we i we should just get behind him. we have got— we should just get behind him. we have got to — we should just get behind him. we have got to try— we should just get behind him. we have got to try and _ we should just get behind him. we have got to try and address - we should just get behind him. we have got to try and address some. have got to try and address some really— have got to try and address some really serious _ have got to try and address some really serious challenges - have got to try and address some really serious challenges the - really serious challenges the country _ really serious challenges the country faces _ really serious challenges the country faces between - really serious challenges the country faces between now i really serious challenges the i country faces between now and really serious challenges the - country faces between now and the election— country faces between now and the election and — country faces between now and the election and i— country faces between now and the

election and i think _ country faces between now and the election and i think he's _ country faces between now and the election and i think he's doing - country faces between now and the election and i think he's doing that| election and i think he's doing that well _ election and i think he's doing that well i_ election and i think he's doing that well idon't— election and i think he's doing that well. i don't think _ election and i think he's doing that well. i don't think it's— election and i think he's doing that well. i don't think it's in— election and i think he's doing that well. i don't think it's in that - well. i don't think it's in that kind — well. idon't think it's in that kind of— well. i don't think it's in that kind of order, _ well. i don't think it's in that kind of order, but _ well. i don't think it's in that kind of order, but he - well. i don't think it's in that kind of order, but he is - well. i don't think it's in that| kind of order, but he is going well. i don't think it's in that. kind of order, but he is going to have _ kind of order, but he is going to have to try and address the - kind of order, but he is going to - have to try and address the concerns that have _ have to try and address the concerns that have been — have to try and address the concerns that have been raised _ have to try and address the concerns that have been raised by— have to try and address the concerns that have been raised by the - have to try and address the concerns that have been raised by the dup. i that have been raised by the dup. uttimately— that have been raised by the dup. ultimately this _ that have been raised by the dup. ultimately this isn't _ that have been raised by the dup. ultimately this isn't about - that have been raised by the dup. ultimately this isn't about the - that have been raised by the dup.| ultimately this isn't about the tory party, _ ultimately this isn't about the tory party. it's— ultimately this isn't about the tory party. it's about _ ultimately this isn't about the tory party, it's about the _ ultimately this isn't about the tory party, it's about the people - ultimately this isn't about the tory party, it's about the people of- party, it's about the people of northern— party, it's about the people of northern ireland _ party, it's about the people of northern ireland and - party, it's about the people of northern ireland and their- party, it's about the people of- northern ireland and their rightful place _ northern ireland and their rightful place in _ northern ireland and their rightful place in the — northern ireland and their rightful place in the united _ northern ireland and their rightful place in the united kingdom. - northern ireland and their rightful place in the united kingdom. thel place in the united kingdom. the tories make _ place in the united kingdom. the tories make it _ place in the united kingdom. tories make it about place in the united kingdom.- tories make it about themselves, that's what we've seen in the last few years. that's what we've seen in the last few ears. :. �* . that's what we've seen in the last few ears. :. v , that's what we've seen in the last few years-— that's what we've seen in the last few years. that's what we've seen in the last few ears. :, �*, , , ,, , few years. that's why rishi sunak is ri . ht to few years. that's why rishi sunak is right to address _ few years. that's why rishi sunak is right to address this, _ few years. that's why rishi sunak is right to address this, because - few years. that's why rishi sunak is right to address this, because it's i right to address this, because it's right— right to address this, because it's right for— right to address this, because it's right for northern _ right to address this, because it's right for northern ireland - right to address this, because it's right for northern ireland and - right to address this, because it'sl right for northern ireland and that part of— right for northern ireland and that part of the — right for northern ireland and that part ofthe uk~ _ right for northern ireland and that part of the uk. we _ right for northern ireland and that part of the uk-_ right for northern ireland and that part of the uk. we are nearly out of time so i part of the uk. we are nearly out of time so i am _ part of the uk. we are nearly out of time so i am going _ part of the uk. we are nearly out of time so i am going to _ part of the uk. we are nearly out of time so i am going to do _ part of the uk. we are nearly out of time so i am going to do somethingj time so i am going to do something that wasn't necessarily my idea, but thomasina, we set your challenge. here are some turnips. i'm not going to ask you to them. dave, i'm wondering if you are up for a mashed potato haggis. thomasina, what can you do? this may be a suggestion for therese coffey, what we can do with these lovely vegetables. lath? therese coffey, what we can do with these lovely vegetables.— these lovely vegetables. why not -arsni - s? these lovely vegetables. why not parsnips? they — these lovely vegetables. why not parsnips? they are _ these lovely vegetables. why not parsnips? they are sweeter, - these lovely vegetables. why not l parsnips? they are sweeter, more delicious— parsnips? they are sweeter, more delicious and i have lots of ideas which _ delicious and i have lots of ideas which she — delicious and i have lots of ideas

which she can check on social media. turnips— which she can check on social media. turnips can _ which she can check on social media. turnips can be delicious, and if you carametised — turnips can be delicious, and if you caramelised them in butter, salt and pepper, _ caramelised them in butter, salt and pepper, coverthem caramelised them in butter, salt and pepper, cover them for a couple of minutes— pepper, cover them for a couple of minutes until they are tender, they are delicious. give people the skills— are delicious. give people the skills to — are delicious. give people the skills to cook and then they can do anything _ skills to cook and then they can do anything with all of our seasonal vegetables which is better for the environment and fun.— environment and fun. therese coffe 's environment and fun. therese coffey's allies _ environment and fun. therese coffey's allies say _ environment and fun. therese coffey's allies say she - environment and fun. therese coffey's allies say she was - environment and fun. therese i coffey's allies say she was trying to tell people we have got accustomed to too much choice. are we to fancy these days? the accustomed to too much choice. are we to fancy these days?— we to fancy these days? the way we exect an we to fancy these days? the way we expect any ingredient _ we to fancy these days? the way we expect any ingredient to _ we to fancy these days? the way we expect any ingredient to be - we to fancy these days? the way we expect any ingredient to be flown i we to fancy these days? the way we expect any ingredient to be flown in | expect any ingredient to be flown in at any— expect any ingredient to be flown in at any stage is costing the environment, it's having a diabolical effect on our biodiversity and killing our soils, so yes, — biodiversity and killing our soils, so yes, we — biodiversity and killing our soils, so yes, we should eat more seasonally but the only way we can do that _ seasonally but the only way we can do that is— seasonally but the only way we can do that is educating kids, feeding better— do that is educating kids, feeding better food in schools and thinking really _ better food in schools and thinking really important is important for health— really important is important for health and climate.— really important is important for health and climate. dave and george, are ou health and climate. dave and george, are you going — health and climate. dave and george, are you going to _ health and climate. dave and george, are you going to go — health and climate. dave and george, are you going to go home _ health and climate. dave and george, are you going to go home and - health and climate. dave and george, are you going to go home and steam. are you going to go home and steam some turnips? i’m are you going to go home and steam some turnips?— are you going to go home and steam some turnips? i'm trying to work out the difference _

some turnips? i'm trying to work out the difference between _ some turnips? i'm trying to work out the difference between a _ some turnips? i'm trying to work out the difference between a turnips - the difference between a turnips under speed. the difference between a turnips under speed-— the difference between a turnips under speed. that's a whole other programme! _ under speed. that's a whole other programme! thank _ under speed. that's a whole other programme! thank you _ under speed. that's a whole other programme! thank you to - under speed. that's a whole other programme! thank you to my - programme! thank you to my companions here at the desk. we are looking forward to a decisive few weeks ahead. will unfinished business get done as rishi sunak hopes? the old mantra on brexit is nothing is agreed until everything is agreed — but the deal with brussels might become relatively straightforward for rishi sunak compared with the fight that could face him in his own party. some of his wilder critics in his own party say �*get it wrong and it could finish him.�* there is always a borisjohnson over his shoulder. but if sunak can sort it, then that's a massive achievement. standby for a torrid few days. as ever, you can catch up on iplayer with anything you missed — and thanks for your company. until next week.

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