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with nick robinson. hello and welcome to political thinking, a conversation rather than a news interrogation. my guest this week is an mp whose heroes have included tony benn, arthur scargill and borisjohnson. he is a man who, depending on your point of view, tells it like it really is, or relishes insulting those unable to fight back. whether it's telling people who are struggling to make ends meet that they should learn to shop cheaply and cook for themselves, nurses that have got no need to use a food bank or refugee charities, that they are just as bad as people smugglers. he is lee anderson, former num member, minor,

labour councillor, now proud mp for his hometown of ashfield in nottinghamshire, and deputy chairman of... the conservative party. it has been quite a journey. lee anderson, welcome to political thinking. you have not created a controversy for a few weeks now, have you been neutered, have they caged you in this newjob? neutered, have they caged you in this new job?— neutered, have they caged you in this new job? this new “ob? well, no, two weeks auo this newjob? well, no, two weeks auo when this newjob? well, no, two weeks ago when i — this newjob? well, no, two weeks ago when i got _ this newjob? well, no, two weeks ago when i got the _ this newjob? well, no, two weeks ago when i got the job _ this newjob? well, no, two weeks ago when i got the job i _ this newjob? well, no, two weeks ago when i got the job i was - this newjob? well, no, two weeks ago when i got the job i was on - this newjob? well, no, two weeks ago when i got the job i was on a l ago when i got thejob i was on a home affairs select committee visit to uruguay on the legalisation of gloves, and then i think the week after we were on recess so this is my first full week back, not been any controversies, i don't think, this week, but i keep looking at my phone for updates to see what i have said and who i have upset. joking a art, said and who i have upset. joking aart, do said and who i have upset. joking apart. do you _ said and who i have upset. joking apart, do you relish _ said and who i have upset. joking apart, do you relish the - apart, do you relish the controversies, do you plan them or do you just say what you think? nothing is planned, nick, what i say is not controversial, i don't think it is. it may be controversial to the bbc, it may be controversial to

the bbc, it may be controversial to the mainstream media, it may be controversial to the people in parliament, i am saying what i believe most people in my constituency think, and when i get home on a thursday people come out to me as i walked home from the train station and say, lee, you're saying what we're thinking, keep doing it. saying what we're thinking, keep doin: it. ., ,., ., , saying what we're thinking, keep doin: it. ., .,, doing it. the reason i was 'oking ou have doing it. the reason i was 'oking you have been * doing it. the reason i was 'oking you have been caged h doing it. the reason i was 'oking you have been caged or b doing it. the reason i was joking| you have been caged or neutered doing it. the reason i was joking i you have been caged or neutered is that you founded something, the blue—collar conservatives, it is all about tax cuts, as i understand it, about tax cuts, as i understand it, about demanding control of immigration, for voters like the ones you represent in what we now call the red wall, but you are backing a man who doesn't believe, as far as we can tell, in those two things, certainly hasn't delivered them yet, that's why i suggested to you maybe you have been caged or neutered? ~ , , ., neutered? absolutely not, i left the blue-collar as _ neutered? absolutely not, i left the blue-collar as chair _ neutered? absolutely not, i left the blue-collar as chair because - neutered? absolutely not, i left the blue-collar as chair because i - neutered? absolutely not, i left the blue-collar as chair because i have l blue—collar as chair because i have got this new role within the party, rishi sunak is a low tax politician, he has told me that to his face, but he has told me that to his face, but he has told me that to his face, but he has inherited a rum deal, we've gone through two years of covid, the war in ukraine, we've got lots of

debt, over £500 billion of taxpayers' money, we've got to balance the books, and i'm pretty sure and i'm confident for next year, i think rishi hasjust proved with the northern ireland issue... so, for those people, you will know, plenty of tories who actually said, he's a socialist, rishi sunak, i have interviewed tories who say that, and you were a borisjohnson backer, you wear a liz truss backer, you now think it is not that you have been neutered, it is that those people got rishi sunak wrong? ida. people got rishi sunak wrong? no, there is that _ people got rishi sunak wrong? iirr, there is that much talent within the labour... within the conservative party, that we have got some really good people and no conservative party. good people and no conservative pa . . , , . good people and no conservative party-_ that i good people and no conservativel party-_ that is party. old habits die hard! that is true. party. old habits die hard! that is true- let's — party. old habits die hard! that is true. let's talk _ party. old habits die hard! that is true. let's talk more _ party. old habits die hard! that is true. let's talk more about - true. let's talk more about politics. — true. let's talk more about politics. i _ true. let's talk more about politics, i want _ true. let's talk more about politics, i want to - true. let's talk more about politics, i want to talk - true. let's talk more about | politics, i want to talk about true. let's talk more about - politics, i want to talk about why those old habits, where they came from and why you were a labour man and why you went on to be a tory. you talk about being a proud ashfield man, born, brought up, or yourfamily, for people ashfield man, born, brought up, or your family, for people who don't know it, what do you mean by that,

what sort of place is it, what are you proud of?— you proud of? ashfield is a coal minin: you proud of? ashfield is a coal mining constituency _ you proud of? ashfield is a coal mining constituency built - you proud of? ashfield is a coal mining constituency built on . you proud of? ashfield is a coal. mining constituency built on coal mines and textiles, all my family were minors. they won't many females worked down the pit, ifollowed my judge into the pits when i left school and i was incredibly proud to do that job. school and i was incredibly proud to do thatjob. find school and i was incredibly proud to do that job-— do that job. and your dad, traditional _ do that job. and your dad, traditional working-class, | traditional working—class, hard—working, i imagine, demanding? labour man, through and through, trade unionist, been on strike 72, 74 trade unionist, been on strike 72, 7a and 84, trade unionist, been on strike 72, 74 and 84, he's got the badge. he did all that. because he thought it was right what he was doing, to protect hisjob, to protect was right what he was doing, to protect his job, to protect his community, and then 40—odd years later he finds himself voting for me at a general election. 50. later he finds himself voting for me at a general election.— at a general election. so, in your house, at a general election. so, in your house. then. _ at a general election. so, in your house. then. i— at a general election. so, in your house, then, i don't _ at a general election. so, in your house, then, i don't imagine - at a general election. so, in your. house, then, i don't imagine there is a lot of debate about politics, presumably politics went labour, and the union? it presumably politics went labour, and the union? �* :: , the union? it did, in the '70s, rurowin the union? it did, in the '70s, growing up. _ the union? it did, in the '70s, growing up. and _ the union? it did, in the '70s, growing up, and i _ the union? it did, in the '70s, growing up, and i tell- the union? it did, in the '70s, growing up, and i tell this - the union? it did, in the '70s, i growing up, and i tell this story often, it wasn't scargill, skinner, tony benn, that was what we listened

to and watched and just a few miles away, chesterfield town hall, sometime on a friday night, i would go and watch tony benn speak, i can remember going to one event it was tony benn, scargill and skinner, all on the same bill. and as a 16—year—old, listening to those three people speak, you come out of that building feeling 20 foot tall. it doesn't matter what they've said, it's just the delivery, they were absolutely superb. but it's just the delivery, they were absolutely superb.— it's just the delivery, they were absolutely superb. but it must have mattered what _ absolutely superb. but it must have mattered what they _ absolutely superb. but it must have mattered what they said, _ absolutely superb. but it must have mattered what they said, to - absolutely superb. but it must have mattered what they said, to a - mattered what they said, to a certain extent, what was it that appealed then, was it a sense that they were fighting for your class, was it the community, was itjust, at that stage, a visceral dislike of the tories? it at that stage, a visceral dislike of the tones?— the tories? it was the con trick, i think, they _ the tories? it was the con trick, i think, they were _ the tories? it was the con trick, i think, they were pretending - the tories? it was the con trick, i think, they were pretending they | think, they were pretending they were fighting for our classes are... what did you believe at the time at? i believed it because in a coalfield community, where most men worked down the pits, we saw the nasty tories as taking away our pits and

our livelihood, and you go to these wellies and these are speeches and you've got real important people, you've got real important people, you think they important, like skinner, tony benn and scargill, and they are telling us the same message and the people we have got to blame is the nasty tories, so you come out, you are a tory hater, you hate maggie and you want to start the revolution. find maggie and you want to start the revolution. �* , ., maggie and you want to start the revolution-— maggie and you want to start the revolution. �* , ., ., a, revolution. and did you hate maggie? yes, with a passion. _ revolution. and did you hate maggie? yes, with a passion. you _ revolution. and did you hate maggie? yes, with a passion. you would - revolution. and did you hate maggie? yes, with a passion. you would have. yes, with a passion. you would have said some potentially _ yes, with a passion. you would have said some potentially unrepeatablel said some potentially unrepeatable things in your house? yes. said some potentially unrepeatable things in your house?— said some potentially unrepeatable things in your house? yes, we were conditioned — things in your house? yes, we were conditioned to, _ things in your house? yes, we were conditioned to, it _ things in your house? yes, we were conditioned to, it was _ things in your house? yes, we were conditioned to, it was a _ things in your house? yes, we were conditioned to, it was a coalminingl conditioned to, it was a coalmining community, things have been taken away from you, who do you blame? you blame the nasty tories, whoever was leading tories, itjust volumes follows, as with most households of as it taken you a long time to forgive the tories? because you have still been critical of what you think margaret thatcher did? i forgive her, i look back now and i will repeat the story every week, this country needed margaret thatcher in the '70s and 80s, the country was being held to ransom, the unions were running a box. we thought it was unfair because we

suffered, we got the brunt of it but you cannot have a situation where the trade unions are going on strike every five minutes and making everybody miserable and that is what was happening. buti everybody miserable and that is what was happening-— was happening. but i want to remind --eole ou was happening. but i want to remind people you didn't _ was happening. but i want to remind people you didn't convert _ was happening. but i want to remind people you didn't convert to - was happening. but i want to remind people you didn't convert to the - people you didn't convert to the tories until 2018, it wasn't that you thought, it was in the blair period, the brown period, the ed miliband period, you were working for a labour miliband period, you were working fora labour mp against miliband period, you were working for a labour mp against people who tried to become the tory prime minister. �* ., , tried to become the tory prime minister. �* . , , , minister. and that is when the penny dro ed. minister. and that is when the penny dropped- when _ minister. and that is when the penny dropped- when i— minister. and that is when the penny dropped. when i started _ minister. and that is when the penny dropped. when i started working - minister. and that is when the penny dropped. when i started working for| dropped. when i started working for a labour mp. dropped. when i started working for a labour mr— a labour mp. let's talk about that in a second- _ a labour mp. let's talk about that in a second. first _ a labour mp. let's talk about that in a second. first of _ a labour mp. let's talk about that in a second. first of all, _ a labour mp. let's talk about that in a second. first of all, what - a labour mp. let's talk about that in a second. first of all, what else about ashfield? your dad was a miner, paul, your mumjennifer was a factory worker, two wages, and yet you describe when you talk about this a very poor house, how come? i think that was typical of households in ashfield at the time, the men worked down the pits, some did seven days a week, my mother worked at the factory, and things were more expensive i think back in the '70s, food was definitely more expensive

relatively speaking, people were paying a lot more as a percentage of their wages on food. that is how it was but there was also a quota of a lot of the miners went out for a drink as well, they liked the odd drink, we had one holiday per year which was a caravan in skegness, we had a garden full of vegetables, chickens at the bottom of the garden for the eggs and that was our food bank. 0ur garden was our food for the eggs and that was our food bank. 0ur garden was ourfood bank, so if we were short of anything they went in the garden or the allotment and got the food out. we didn't think it was poverty, i didn't think we were impoverished or not poor, i didn't think that. but perhaps if some people today could go back in a time machine and see how we lived they would probably think we were very, very poor but i didn't see that at the time. is very, very poor but i didn't see that at the time.— very, very poor but i didn't see that at the time. is there a bit of ou that that at the time. is there a bit of you that is _ that at the time. is there a bit of you that is nostalgic— that at the time. is there a bit of you that is nostalgic for - that at the time. is there a bit of you that is nostalgic for that? i that at the time. is there a bit of l you that is nostalgic for that? yes, absolutely. — you that is nostalgic for that? yes, absolutely. i— you that is nostalgic for that? yes, absolutely, i look _ you that is nostalgic for that? yes, absolutely, i look at _ you that is nostalgic for that? yes, absolutely, i look at my _ you that is nostalgic for that? yes, absolutely, i look at my dad - you that is nostalgic for that? ye: absolutely, i look at my dad getting up absolutely, i look at my dad getting up in the morning to go to work at half past four to a coal mine, remember every morning his alarm clock going off, that woke me up, and that sort of conditioned me to

thinking, when i leave school, that's what i will be doing, i will have my own alarm clock, and just a few years later i was getting up with my dad and going to the pit and going to work together and doing a shift underground.— shift underground. what's interesting _ shift underground. what's interesting is, _ shift underground. what's interesting is, you - shift underground. what's interesting is, you then i shift underground. what's i interesting is, you then leave shift underground. what's - interesting is, you then leave the mines, because your relationship breaks up, you've got two boys to bring up, charlie unhappy, and you bring up, charlie unhappy, and you bring them up as a single parent and again, these are tough times. yes. again, these are tough times. yes, it's difficult. _ again, these are tough times. yes, it's difficult, you _ again, these are tough times. yes, it's difficult, you go _ again, these are tough times. yes, it's difficult, you go from _ again, these are tough times. yes it's difficult, you go from going again, these are tough times. 12: it's difficult, you go from going to work and providing for a family to all of a sudden finding that you're on your own, looking after children, you've got great support from my family obviously, i spent a little bit of time out of work but i was volunteering at the same time at a local charity... volunteering at the same time at a local charity- - -_ local charity... citizens advice. citizens advice _ local charity... citizens advice. citizens advice bureau, - local charity... citizens advice. citizens advice bureau, which l local charity... citizens advice. i citizens advice bureau, which was very good to me. i learned some new skills, it kept me in the workplace, it kept my brain ticking over, and eventually, i got a job with citizens advice bureau and i did that for several years and i drifted

down into politics and that is where i met gloria when i was working at the cav. :, ,:, ~ :, i met gloria when i was working at thecav. :, ~ :, a i met gloria when i was working at thecav. ~ :, a :, the cav. labour mp for ashfield, now a telly presenter, _ the cav. labour mp for ashfield, now a telly presenter, who _ the cav. labour mp for ashfield, now a telly presenter, who you _ the cav. labour mp for ashfield, now a telly presenter, who you work - the cav. labour mp for ashfield, now a telly presenter, who you work for. l a telly presenter, who you work for. what is interesting, when i read your background, background in poverty, who then experienced poverty, who then experienced poverty as you're bringing up your children who like i'm not saying it was poverty, i didn't think it was poverty. but people who don't know you think, isn't this the guy who is very unsympathetic to people who are struggling to make ends meet now? doesn't he remember how it was, doesn't he empathise, doesn't he remember the people he used to help in citizens advice advice, you also worked in a hostel for the homeless? i did, i worked worked in a hostel for the homeless? i did, iworked in worked in a hostel for the homeless? i did, i worked in several hostels for homeless people. so i did, i worked in several hostels for homeless people.— i did, i worked in several hostels for homeless people. so what has happened? _ for homeless people. so what has happened? i _ for homeless people. so what has happened? iwill— for homeless people. so what has happened? iwilltell_ for homeless people. so what has happened? i will tell you - for homeless people. so what has happened? i will tell you what - for homeless people. so what has happened? i will tell you what it l happened? i will tell you what it was, happened? i will tell you what it was. nick. _ happened? i will tell you what it was, nick, when _ happened? i will tell you what it was, nick, when i _ happened? i will tell you what it was, nick, when i first- happened? i will tell you what it was, nick, when i first started l was, nick, when i first started working at cabg were seeing families that were coming in with all sorts of social problems, it was that, it was housing problems, it was relationship problems, benefit problems, and we used to help these people, and this is 20 years ago i

think it probably is and we would see these families and we would patch them up and move them on and think i have done a really good job there, and then fast forward ten years when i working for a labour mp, i'm seeing the sons of daughters of the same families have got the same issues, and i'm thinking, we've not solved anything, or we have done is allowed a new generation of young people to come along and have the same problems that their mum and dad had, and that got me thinking, it was one, in our approach, totally wrong. was one, in our approach, totally wront. :, , , wrong. that is interesting, so, the experience — wrong. that is interesting, so, the experience of— wrong. that is interesting, so, the experience of working _ wrong. that is interesting, so, the experience of working with - wrong. that is interesting, so, the experience of working with people | experience of working with people who are struggling, you might not like this word, but hard you think a... ., like this word, but hard you think a... :, ., ., , ., :, a... data data, yeah. i went from, come on — a... data data, yeah. i went from, come on in. _ a... data data, yeah. i went from, come on in, let's _ a... data data, yeah. i went from, come on in, let's sort _ a... data data, yeah. i went from, come on in, let's sort you - a... data data, yeah. i went from, come on in, let's sort you out, - a... data data, yeah. i went from, come on in, let's sort you out, we | come on in, let's sort you out, we need to help you, to thinking, my goodness, ten years later i am seeing the children of these families and thinking we have not helped you, we have made it worse for you. but helped you, we have made it worse for ou. �* , :, helped you, we have made it worse for ou. �* helped you, we have made it worse for ou.�* for you. but when you say as you did, no for you. but when you say as you did. no nurse _ for you. but when you say as you did, no nurse needs _ for you. but when you say as you did, no nurse needs to _ for you. but when you say as you did, no nurse needs to use - for you. but when you say as you did, no nurse needs to use a - for you. but when you say as you | did, no nurse needs to use a food bank... i did, no nurse needs to use a food bank... �* ., bank... i didn't say that, i said nobody on _ bank... i didn't say that, i said nobody on 35 _ bank... i didn't say that, i said nobody on 35 grand _ bank... i didn't say that, i said nobody on 35 grand needs - bank... i didn't say that, i said nobody on 35 grand needs to l bank... i didn't say that, i said i nobody on 35 grand needs to use bank... i didn't say that, i said - nobody on 35 grand needs to use a food bank, slightly different. but

ou were food bank, slightly different. but you were talking about nurses. food bank, slightly different. but. you were talking about nurses. any ublic you were talking about nurses. my public sector worker on 35 grand should not be using a food bank. i did say, to provide any public sector worker in ashfield to come and see me, who uses a food bank, i am still waiting. there may be a reason for that. i know the reason, it doesn't exist. the that may be because ashfield, i hate to say this, too proud ashfield man, ashfield isn't the world. it my world, nick.— ashfield isn't the world. it my world, nick. �* , , world, nick. but there may be people in other parts — world, nick. but there may be people in other parts of— world, nick. but there may be people in other parts of the _ world, nick. but there may be people in other parts of the world _ world, nick. but there may be people in other parts of the world who - world, nick. but there may be people in other parts of the world who do - in other parts of the world who do struggle on a salary which would make you relatively rich in ashfield, let'sjust make you relatively rich in ashfield, let's just take an example like barking in essex and dagenham, to buy a house in your constituency, we check this out because before going on now, on average is 214,000, in barking and dagenham, it is 403,000, i suspect, in barking and dagenham, it is 403,000, isuspect, rent in barking and dagenham, it is 403,000, i suspect, rent is a lot higher. so, isn't it a bit glib to say, because i don't know a nurse who needs to use a food bank, there aren't any nurses who need to use a

food bank?— food bank? well, where are they? have ou food bank? well, where are they? have you got _ food bank? well, where are they? have you got any? _ food bank? well, where are they? have you got any? well, - food bank? well, where are they? have you got any? well, i - food bank? well, where are they? have you got any? well, i haven't| have you got any? well, i haven't tot them have you got any? well, i haven't got them here _ have you got any? well, i haven't got them here but _ have you got any? well, i haven't got them here but they _ have you got any? well, i haven't got them here but they royal- have you got any? well, i haven't . got them here but they royal college of nursing can provide them. imelt. of nursing can provide them. well, the will of nursing can provide them. well, they will do- _ of nursing can provide them. well, they will do. the _ of nursing can provide them. well, they will do. the unions _ of nursing can provide them. well, they will do. the unions have - of nursing can provide them. 2ii they will do. the unions have all got an agenda, you know that, they will provide these case studies. you've got an agenda, they've got an agenda buffet my inbox is full, when i make these controversial comments, which by there we are not controversial, my inbox floods from people, notjust from just controversial, my inbox floods from people, not just from just from ashfield, from places like barking, from all over the uk, saying, thank goodness somebody is speaking out, we agree with you. i get pensioners contacting me from southern constituencies who are on peanuts, less than 20 grand a year, they are not using food banks. nobody is saying that everybody on that salary has to use a food bank, what i am asking is, do you have empathy or sympathy with some who find themselves using a food bank? they might have other problems... {lit might have other problems... of course i do and i always said when i was working at the cabg used to refer people to food banks, although

at the time with the labour government we were not able to broadcast a fact. if somebody has suffered domestic abuse, lost a job, become ill, suddenly got a disability, had a major trauma in their life, i think the state should be there to wrap their arms around them and help them in a difficult time, it should not be a way of life. i was brought up differently and i'm a product of where i was born and brought up before we move on, because of what you saw, as a volunteer, and then working for a labour mp doing no doubt lots of casework with people with problems in the constituency, you're very critical of the benefits system, universal credit, do you think it keeps people poor? yes, it keeps generation after generation poor and it stifles aspiration and it ruins children's outcomes, educational outcomes, expectations. isaw children's outcomes, educational outcomes, expectations. i saw a family when i was working for gloria, it was a man of the woman, they had never worked, they had five children, i think three of the children, i think three of the children were on disability living allowance for adhd, behavioural problems, they were getting £53,000

a year net. now, to get that sort of wage, you have got to be earning over 70 k, we know that. but the worst thing for me with that was not the actual amount of money they were getting, it was their children were labelled as disabled so when they left school they were going to be having the same problems as their parents, and we are not breaking the poverty cycle, it's cruel because we are ruining people's lives. but poverty cycle, it's cruel because we are ruining people's lives.— are ruining people's lives. but are ou are ruining people's lives. but are you telling — are ruining people's lives. but are you telling your — are ruining people's lives. but are you telling your party? _ are ruining people's lives. but are you telling your party? of - are ruining people's lives. but are you telling your party? of course | are ruining people's lives. but are| you telling your party? of course i am, and you telling your party? of course i am. and they _ you telling your party? of course i am, and they are _ you telling your party? of course i am, and they are listening - you telling your party? of course i am, and they are listening to - you telling your party? of course i am, and they are listening to me. | am, and they are listening to me. you worried me then because you became older but and gave me a party line. i thought the whole point of lee anderson is you give me a partyline. i lee anderson is you give me a partyline— lee anderson is you give me a partyline. i have spoken to the -a partyline. i have spoken to the party many — partyline. i have spoken to the party many times. _ partyline. i have spoken to the party many times, now - partyline. i have spoken to the party many times, now i - partyline. i have spoken to the party many times, now i have | partyline. i have spoken to the i party many times, now i have got a bit more of a voice. you party many times, now i have got a bit more of a voice.— bit more of a voice. you started to sa , and bit more of a voice. you started to say. and i — bit more of a voice. you started to say, and i interrupted _ bit more of a voice. you started to say, and i interrupted you, i bit more of a voice. you started to say, and i interrupted you, that i bit more of a voice. you started to. say, and i interrupted you, that you left the labour party because of what you saw when you were working for them, working for the local mp. i was in a labour group meeting in february 2018! think it was when one of the momentum members said to me, have you ever read the works of karl marx? i said, have you ever read the works of karl marx? isaid, no, i haven't, so they

said, why don't you off and join the tory party and i said you know what, mate, that is not a bad idea, so i did, and then within 18 months, i was his mp, so the labour party give great career advice.— great career advice. when it comes to the issue — great career advice. when it comes to the issue of _ great career advice. when it comes to the issue of small— great career advice. when it comes to the issue of small boats, i to the issue of small boats, migrants crossings, you said it is like the band on the titanic playing the same tune and ignoring the obvious. what was like the small band on the titanic? i obvious. what was like the small band on the titanic?— obvious. what was like the small band on the titanic? i 'ust thought the whole of t band on the titanic? ijust thought the whole of parliament _ band on the titanic? ijust thought the whole of parliament was i band on the titanic? ijust thought the whole of parliament was like l the whole of parliament was like that, notjust my own party, i thought the whole of parliament was just not taking it seriously. not as serious as it is, it comes up all the doorstep, our inboxes are full of it, we've now got leafy suburbs where the hotels are full of illegal migrants, i i went to calais the other week and witnessed firsthand the nonsense that's going off there, it scares me, it frightens me. iuntimely it scares me, it frightens me. when ou said, it scares me, it frightens me. when you said. ignoring _ it scares me, it frightens me. when you said, ignoring the _ it scares me, it frightens me. when you said, ignoring the obvious, i it scares me, it frightens me. when you said, ignoring the obvious, what did you no? flit you said, ignoring the obvious, what did you no?— did you no? of the obvious, it is a big problem. _ did you no? of the obvious, it is a big problem, that _ did you no? of the obvious, it is a big problem, that is _ did you no? of the obvious, it is a big problem, that is the _

did you no? of the obvious, it is a big problem, that is the obvious, | big problem, that is the obvious, it is creating big social problems in this country. we've got undocumented tens of thousands of young men coming in from all over the world, we don't know who they are, where they have been, some of them are blatantly lying when they go through the process of their art protests now outside the asylum hotels you described which are sometimes in leafy suburbs, they are quite often actually in the poorest parts of the country. do you have some zippy with the protesters? 0f country. do you have some zippy with the protesters? of course i do. when i hear that protesters are protesting, and these are not far right extremists, they are just normal family people from some of these towns and villages that are upset that overnight 200—300 young men have arrived and they are saying things to young girls, and i know there has been a few attacks and some horrible incidents, so, of course, people are going to be concerned, that'sjust course, people are going to be concerned, that's just human course, people are going to be concerned, that'sjust human nature. at the end of the day when you live in a community you expect to be safe and you don't like sudden change, thatis and you don't like sudden change, that is how it is.—

that is how it is. what is frightening _ that is how it is. what is frightening about i that is how it is. what is frightening about having that is how it is. what is i frightening about having a that is how it is. what is - frightening about having a hostel that is how it is. what is _ frightening about having a hostel or a hotel full of young asylum seekers, who franklyjust a hotel full of young asylum seekers, who frankly just want a better life in the way my grandparents wanted a better life when they fled the nazis? imelt. grandparents wanted a better life when they fled the nazis? well, you have hit the — when they fled the nazis? well, you have hit the nail— when they fled the nazis? well, you have hit the nail on _ when they fled the nazis? well, you have hit the nail on the _ when they fled the nazis? well, you have hit the nail on the head, i when they fled the nazis? well, you have hit the nail on the head, they l have hit the nail on the head, they have hit the nail on the head, they have come here for a better life, they are not asylum seekers, they are abusing the asylum system, we know that, i spoke to the young men in the camp in calais, none of them were fleeing violence or persecution, they were coming to the uk, and the word they kept saying was el dorado, el dorado. all they doing at this calais campbell, they are walking them through the asylum process, they meet them when they get to the hotels in the uk, walk them through the asylum process again, they are being coached and they are abusing the system. but ou've they are abusing the system. but you've made _ they are abusing the system. but you've made a generalisation again, now there may be people who would agree with you about albanians, for example, syrians, iranians, afghans, somalis, are people coming from war—torn countries, you say they are not really. but war-torn countries, you say they are not reall . �* :, war-torn countries, you say they are not reall . �* . ., , .. not really. but there are lots of --eole not really. but there are lots of people staying _ not really. but there are lots of people staying in _ not really. but there are lots of people staying in those i not really. but there are lots of. people staying in those war-torn people staying in those war—torn countries,. what people don't like is the optics of tens of thousands

of young men, we are not seeing very often women and children and vulnerable people, and if we saw that, then maybe people, the general public, and especially in places like ashfield, would be more synthetic. like ashfield, would be more synthetic-— like ashfield, would be more s nthetic. �* , . ., . . synthetic. but they have to have a wa of synthetic. but they have to have a way of getting _ synthetic. but they have to have a way of getting here, _ synthetic. but they have to have a way of getting here, don't i synthetic. but they have to have a way of getting here, don't they, i synthetic. but they have to have a. way of getting here, don't they, mr anderson? :. way of getting here, don't they, mr anderson? ., ~ .. way of getting here, don't they, mr anderson? ., ~ ., . ,. , anderson? you know there are schemes for --eole anderson? you know there are schemes for people to — anderson? you know there are schemes for people to come _ anderson? you know there are schemes for people to come here _ anderson? you know there are schemes for people to come here legally, i for people to come here legally, nick. �* :, for people to come here legally, nick. �* . ., ,. , ., nick. but there are not schemes for lots of countries. _ nick. but there are not schemes for lots of countries. but _ nick. but there are not schemes for lots of countries. but why _ nick. but there are not schemes for lots of countries. but why are i nick. but there are not schemes for lots of countries. but why are the i lots of countries. but why are the ount lots of countries. but why are the young men _ lots of countries. but why are the young men coming _ lots of countries. but why are the young men coming here - lots of countries. but why are the young men coming here and i lots of countries. but why are the i young men coming here and leaving their women and children behind but thatis their women and children behind but that is not the sort of young men that is not the sort of young men that are going to be an exhibiting in this country?— in this country? they are earning monday and _ in this country? they are earning monday and sending _ in this country? they are earning monday and sending it _ in this country? they are earning monday and sending it back. i in this country? they are earning monday and sending it back. my| monday and sending it back. ii grandad monday and sending it back. i grandad left monday and sending it back. ii1: grandad left the monday and sending it back. i: grandad left the coal monday and sending it back. ii1: grandad left the coal mine and monday and sending it back. ii1 grandad left the coal mine and he went to fight the nazis, he didn't get on about an escape to america and sent for his family, he went to fight for this great country of ours, and that is what is in the hearts and minds of a lot of my constituents.— hearts and minds of a lot of my constituents. ~ , i, h, , constituents. when my grandparents were in nazi — constituents. when my grandparents were in nazi germany, _ constituents. when my grandparents were in nazi germany, they - constituents. when my grandparents were in nazi germany, they fled - constituents. when my grandparents were in nazi germany, they fled to l were in nazi germany, they fled to italy and according to your advice, they should have stayed in the first country they went to? hot they should have stayed in the first country they went to?—

country they went to? not at all. there were _ country they went to? not at all. there were death _ country they went to? not at all. there were death camps - country they went to? not at all. there were death camps all- country they went to? not at all. i there were death camps all across eastern europe, people being murdered and executed. that is completely different. just murdered and executed. that is completely different. just before we move on, completely different. just before we move on. you _ completely different. just before we move on, you have _ completely different. just before we move on, you have got _ completely different. just before we move on, you have got a _ completely different. just before we move on, you have got a bit - completely different. just before we move on, you have got a bit of- move on, you have got a bit of criticism for mixing with people who have extreme views. the so—called skeg be scooter club. people you praised as top lads who may be proud of ashfield. do you understand why people have looked into deep little views of those people that they find them completely unacceptable? yes. views of those people that they find them completely unacceptable? yes, a this could be — them completely unacceptable? yes, a this could be scooter _ them completely unacceptable? yes, a this could be scooter club _ them completely unacceptable? yes, a this could be scooter club has - them completely unacceptable? yes, a this could be scooter club has got - this could be scooter club has got about 200 members, male and female, they do lots of charity work throughout the community, they have charity nights, they are always booked up, and for me to photograph with a couple of people who may have had far right leaning is a couple of months ago at a charity do where they have raised money for good causes, they didn't show all the other photos that i had had taken that night. other photos that i had had taken that niht. , i, other photos that i had had taken that niht. i, ., , that night. one saying no remorse white pride. _ that night. one saying no remorse white pride, fluke _ that night. one saying no remorse white pride, fluke dudley, - that night. one saying no remorse white pride, fluke dudley, odin'sl

white pride, fluke dudley, odin's cross, white power symbol... let me sto ou cross, white power symbol... let me stop you there. _ cross, white power symbol... let me stop you there, there _ cross, white power symbol... let me stop you there, there was _ cross, white power symbol... let me stop you there, there was nobody . stop you there, there was nobody wailing that teacher at the event i was at. d0 wailing that teacher at the event i was at. n, ,, wailing that teacher at the event i was at. ,., i. ., ~' wailing that teacher at the event i was at. i. ., ,, i. wailing that teacher at the event i wasat. ., ,, , ., was at. do you not think you should check out people — was at. do you not think you should check out people you _ was at. do you not think you should check out people you mix _ was at. do you not think you should check out people you mix with? - was at. do you not think you should i check out people you mix with? what, hundreds? i — check out people you mix with? what, hundreds? i have _ check out people you mix with? what, hundreds? i have hundreds— check out people you mix with? what, hundreds? i have hundreds of- check out people you mix with? iii"isgit., hundreds? i have hundreds of photos taken every week, you think i should check everybody i have a photo taken with? 50 check everybody i have a photo taken with? i, ,~ check everybody i have a photo taken with? i, i, �* with? so now you wouldn't meet those --eole? with? so now you wouldn't meet those people? they — with? so now you wouldn't meet those people? they are _ with? so now you wouldn't meet those people? they are part _ with? so now you wouldn't meet those people? they are part of _ with? so now you wouldn't meet those people? they are part of the _ with? so now you wouldn't meet those people? they are part of the scooter i people? they are part of the scooter club, the people? they are part of the scooter club. they have _ people? they are part of the scooter club, they have publicly _ people? they are part of the scooter club, they have publicly renounced l club, they have publicly renounced what they did 25 years ago, the fluke dudley said, he is not proud of it any more. the fluke dudley said, he is not proud of it any more-— of it any more. the question is, whether you — of it any more. the question is, whether you can _ of it any more. the question is, whether you can hang - of it any more. the question is, whether you can hang with - of it any more. the question is, i whether you can hang with people of it any more. the question is, - whether you can hang with people who behave that way? it is whether you can hang with people who behave that way?— behave that way? it is like when you become an mp _ behave that way? it is like when you become an mp and _ behave that way? it is like when you become an mp and you _ behave that way? it is like when you become an mp and you get - behave that way? it is like when you become an mp and you get a - behave that way? it is like when you become an mp and you get a bit - behave that way? it is like when you become an mp and you get a bit of. become an mp and you get a bit of a profile, lots of people want photos with you, simple as that. i don't fill a form out and say have you ever been apart of this group, that group? ijust have a photo took a good—faith. group? ijust have a photo took a good-faith— group? ijust have a photo took a ood-faith. i, i, i ,i , , good-faith. you once described boris johnson as good-faith. you once described boris johnson as a — good-faith. you once described boris johnson as a friend, _ good-faith. you once described boris johnson as a friend, said _ good-faith. you once described boris johnson as a friend, said he - good-faith. you once described boris johnson as a friend, said he would i johnson as a friend, said he would do well in ashfield working men's club. corbyn wouldn't. could he be prime minister again? that club. corbyn wouldn't. could he be prime minister again?— club. corbyn wouldn't. could he be prime minister again? that is a good uestion. prime minister again? that is a good question- we _ prime minister again? that is a good question. i've been _ prime minister again? that is a good question. i've been asked _ prime minister again? that is a good question. i've been asked this - prime minister again? that is a good question. i've been asked this a - prime minister again? that is a good question. i've been asked this a few| question. i've been asked this a few times. i don't think age is on his side, to be honest, i think he is

coming up to 60, i would love him to have a go for london mayor again, i think that would be interesting because i think he would win in london because we need to get rid of sadiq khan, he has not been good for the city. but sadiq khan, he has not been good for the ci . �* , i, the city. but there is nothing in his behaviour, _ the city. but there is nothing in his behaviour, because - the city. but there is nothing in his behaviour, because you - the city. but there is nothing in l his behaviour, because you were critical of him at times, which means, look, he should not be prime minister again, means, look, he should not be prime ministeragain, on means, look, he should not be prime minister again, on ethical grounds? i think everybody has got a right to chuck their hat in the ring at some stage, i don't think you will do, i think his day is gone. but he is still a big force in politics, boris, he is a big character, people want to meet him, regardless of what you think about him, as he's a big draw, boris offers his day is gone and rishi sunakfor the moment is your man. yeah. for and rishi sunak for the moment is your man. yeah.— your man. yeah. for those who again i am sure your man. yeah. for those who again i am sure say — your man. yeah. for those who again i am sure say to _ your man. yeah. for those who again i am sure say to you, _ your man. yeah. for those who again i am sure say to you, he _ your man. yeah. for those who again i am sure say to you, he is _ your man. yeah. for those who again i am sure say to you, he is not - i am sure say to you, he is not going to do these things you believe in, you have been had, he has done what he wanted, to say, how do i shut lee anderson up? i know, i'll give him a big job and then he will be all diplomatic like he is being too nick robinson on the radio and

the telly. why are they wrong? the brief i ot the telly. why are they wrong? the brief i got when the telly. why are they wrong? t"ie: brief i got when i accepted the job was, keep on saying what you're saying and doing what you're doing, that's why we love you, that's why they give you the job. so that's why we love you, that's why they give you the job.— they give you the 'ob. so you're sa in, if they give you the 'ob. so you're saying. if he _ they give you the job. so you're saying, if he doesn't _ they give you the job. so you're saying, if he doesn't deal- they give you the job. so you're saying, if he doesn't deal with i they give you the job. so you're i saying, if he doesn't deal with the small boats, he's in trouble? iitiui’hdt saying, if he doesn't deal with the small boats, he's in trouble? what i will sa to small boats, he's in trouble? what i will say to that, _ small boats, he's in trouble? what i will say to that, and _ small boats, he's in trouble? what i will say to that, and this _ small boats, he's in trouble? what i will say to that, and this is - small boats, he's in trouble? what i will say to that, and this is not - small boats, he's in trouble? what i will say to that, and this is not a - will say to that, and this is not a politician's answer, i don't change my opinion on anything just because i have had a promotion, what i said six weeks ago i stand by it, including small boats. stone, you're still on the titanic. _ including small boats. stone, you're still on the titanic. we _ including small boats. stone, you're still on the titanic. we are - including small boats. stone, you're still on the titanic. we are all- including small boats. stone, you're still on the titanic. we are all on - still on the titanic. we are all on the titanic, _ still on the titanic. we are all on the titanic, political— still on the titanic. we are all on the titanic, political parties, - still on the titanic. we are all on the titanic, political parties, we| the titanic, political parties, we are all on the titanic at some stage, got to get the course white, steady the ship and deliver on our promises, if we do that we will be fine. i, �* , i , i, fine. you've described quite a 'ourne , fine. you've described quite a journey. and _ fine. you've described quite a journey. and i _ fine. you've described quite a journey, and i imagine - fine. you've described quite a journey, and i imagine at - fine. you've described quite a i journey, and i imagine at times quite a painfuljourney for anyone quite a painful journey for anyone changing quite a painfuljourney for anyone changing their politics because people don't like it, your son in particular, harry, wasn't massively impressed when you said you were going to be a tory? iiig. impressed when you said you were going to be a tory?_ impressed when you said you were going to be a tory? no, harry, bless him, he going to be a tory? no, harry, bless him. he went — going to be a tory? no, harry, bless him. he went to _ going to be a tory? no, harry, bless him, he went to university _ going to be a tory? no, harry, bless him, he went to university in - him, he went to university in sheffield, he had only been there

six months and came back a different man, he had got his beard and he was a vegetarian and obviously changed for the worse, i think, actually. first vegetarian ever in our family. but he was a labour party member, and idealistic, a nice young man. and a corbynite? find and idealistic, a nice young man. and a corbynite?— and idealistic, a nice young man. and a corbynite? and a corbynite, eah. and a corbynite? and a corbynite, yeah. believed _ and a corbynite? and a corbynite, yeah. believed in _ and a corbynite? and a corbynite, yeah. believed in all— and a corbynite? and a corbynite, yeah. believed in all that. - and a corbynite? and a corbynite, yeah. believed in all that. and - yeah. believed in all that. and when ijoined yeah. believed in all that. and when i joined the tory yeah. believed in all that. and when ijoined the tory party, i think it was because he was in that circle of friends as well at university, like a left—leaning socialist group of friends, when the news broke, because i think it broke on the bbc, he was very upset and he rang me, he was deeply upset but we are still best of friends. sad was deeply upset but we are still best of friends.— was deeply upset but we are still| best of friends._ he best of friends. sad or angry? he was sad that _ best of friends. sad or angry? he was sad that had _ best of friends. sad or angry? he was sad that had left _ best of friends. sad or angry? he was sad that had left the - was sad that had left the labour party, probably a bit angry with me as well because i am his dad. probably angry that i didn't tell him, because everything was such a well went out the time. and i suppose he felt a little bit let down by me as well. but that is what

happens in families, sometimes you feel like you have let your loved ones down, and i hadn't, ithought feel like you have let your loved ones down, and i hadn't, i thought i did it for the right reasons, but now, he is totally over it... when he sees those — now, he is totally over it... when he sees those headlines, - now, he is totally over it... when he sees those headlines, does i now, he is totally over it... when j he sees those headlines, does he call you up or message you and say, what have you said now? iiig. call you up or message you and say, what have you said now?— call you up or message you and say, what have you said now? no, he sees the other end. _ what have you said now? no, he sees the other end, when _ what have you said now? no, he sees the other end, when i _ what have you said now? no, he sees the other end, when i am _ what have you said now? no, he sees the other end, when i am being i the other end, when i am being attacked he says, dad, are you 0k attacked he says, dad, are you ok but she looks after you. you look after me, yeah. lee but she looks after you. you look after me. yeah-— but she looks after you. you look after me, yeah. lee anderson, thank ou for after me, yeah. lee anderson, thank you forjoining _ after me, yeah. lee anderson, thank you forjoining us _ after me, yeah. lee anderson, thank you forjoining us on _ after me, yeah. lee anderson, thank you forjoining us on political- you forjoining us on political thinking. mranderson you forjoining us on political thinking. mr anderson is if you like the red wall made flesh, bit of a phrase, the red wall, it covers so many things, but he knows what it means, it means speaking up for the people he thinks don't get a hearing, it means the tories reaching past the country that they struggle to reach without him. the question is, having him onside, giving him a bigjob, is that enough, oras giving him a bigjob, is that enough, or as he starts to sound more and more like another

politician, and if rishi sunakfails to deliver the things he used to say were vital just a few weeks to deliver the things he used to say were vitaljust a few weeks ago, will it be anything like enough? thanks for watching. hello, there. hello. trying to make plans for sunday, what's in store with the weather? pretty much a repeat performance of what we've had today. a lot of cloud around. there will be some coastal showers on both the west and east coast and a line of more persistent rain pushing its way across north—east scotland. but those temperatures largely between six and nine degrees, turning colder, though, in the northern isles. and it's the colder air that

will dominate the weather story over the week to come. now, in fact, the cold air is going to arrive from monday onwards. it's going to turn increasingly windy, and we will see the risk of some snow showers around as well. so first thing on monday, there's a weather front sinking its way steadily southwards, to begin with across england and wales, it'll be showery outbreaks of rain, snow showers starting to track in across the far north of scotland, and by the end of the afternoon, across the scottish borders into north—east england, we could see some snow here as well.

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