good morning. buckle up, it is going to be a busy one, the budget and a bust up at the bbc. a couple of days to go, not until gary lineker and the bbc make peace, an epic spat over politics, impartiality and the public�*s favourite game... we are working very hard to resolve the situation and make sure that we get output back on air. the bbc is not acting impartially by caving in to tory mps

who are complaining about gary lineker. ..but until the budget. the calm down chancellor will be on his feet on wednesday with a vow to get the country back to work. we think that we have the chance to be one of the fastest—growing countries in europe. politicians agree the way we make our living isn't good enough. growth has been measly. but the government and labour don't agree on the fix. we have one big question this morning — not whether the bbc and its biggest star can kiss and make up, but whether politicians can find ways to show the economy is live and kicking. jeremy hunt is with us — as he puts his finishing touches to his first budget. hoping to step into the chancellor's shoes at the next election — labour's rachel reeves is here. mark thompson was no stranger to crises in his years a bbc director general.

what does he reckon is the way out of this latest storm? with me to chew it over, simon clarke mp, who wants tax cuts. nadia whittome, from labour, the uk's youngest mp. and the tv exec, peter salmon, who used to be gary lineker�*s boss. welcome! we're going to keep you busy this morning. it is the budget on wednesday. that is a critical moment, especially when the economy is only really wobbling along. but take a look at this lot — the front pages — there's only one lead story in town. it is gary lineker on the front of the sunday times, "linker chaos piles pressure on bbc chief". tim

davie says he won't quit. on the front of the tabloids, "bbc sport blackout". and the sunday mirror says, "gary lineker, i will never be silenced". you may be watching this programme after viewing a special version of the usual match of the day repeat without its normal presenter, or indeed any presenter — a pundits�* revolt after gary lineker was suspended for posting tweets critical of the government's immigration policy. it's clear tim davie wants him back — but can this mighty mess be resolved? peter, you are one of the few people who worked closely with gary lineker, you were his boss, what do you think will be going on in his mind? what is he up to? it is you think will be going on in his mind? what is he up to?- mind? what is he up to? it is a mess, mind? what is he up to? it is a mess. isn't— mind? what is he up to? it is a mess, isn't it? _ mind? what is he up to? it is a mess, isn't it? they— mind? what is he up to? it is a mess, isn't it? they are - mind? what is he up to? it is a l mess, isn't it? they are possibly wishing they could reel this back 72 hours and start all over again. it is oscars day but there are no prizes or awards for how this has been managed. it shows how things have to be managed very quickly and practically upfront and fast moving stories, particularly ones with political dimensions to them. i

think they have got to take action pretty quickly. it does not help that the chairman of the bbc himself is a bit one—sided in this process and there is a bit of an issue, it means tim davie is isolated in some ways, he needs to come home and great this now, we need him back running the ship. 50 great this now, we need him back running the ship.— running the ship. so what do you think they got — running the ship. so what do you think they got wrong? _ running the ship. so what do you think they got wrong? you - running the ship. so what do you i think they got wrong? you implied running the ship. so what do you - think they got wrong? you implied it should be so slow, they should have nipped it in the bud before it went out of control?— out of control? there's a few thins, out of control? there's a few things. one. _ out of control? there's a few things, one, the _ out of control? there's a few things, one, the guidelines | out of control? there's a few. things, one, the guidelines are out of control? there's a few- things, one, the guidelines are a bit opaque about what people can and can't say and who can say this or that, freelancers versus staff, major figures versus minor figures, all the rest of it, it is complex. i can see why you do it because it gives you a get out in some ways for every situation but equally, at times like this, it can feel a bit heavy—handed. i think also, this is a fast moving story, you have got to figure out what you want to do up front and get on with it and do it and work out the endgame. now the story and the situation has got away from them. �* , ., ., , ., from them. briefly, what do you think gary _ from them. briefly, what do you

think gary lineker _ from them. briefly, what do you think gary lineker has _ from them. briefly, what do you think gary lineker has been - from them. briefly, what do you i think gary lineker has been trying to achieve with this? he has got into trouble over this kind of thing before and then not stopped himself. where is his responsibility? weill. where is his responsibility? well, it is complex. _ where is his responsibility? well, it is complex, he _ where is his responsibility? well, it is complex, he is _ where is his responsibility? well, it is complex, he is a _ where is his responsibility? well, it is complex, he is a major - where is his responsibility? -ii it is complex, he is a major figure it is complex, he is a majorfigure now, 25 years on much of the day, he is more thanjust now, 25 years on much of the day, he is more than just a tv presenter, he is more than just a tv presenter, he is a nationalfigure, he has got views and passions, he has been involved in looking after ukrainian refugees. it may be that he has outgrown the job and a role in the bbc. there is 25 years on, des lynam was before him and he has taken over and been bullied but some times you cross the line and maybe it does not match your ambition. trier? match your ambition. very interesting. _ match your ambition. very interesting. this _ match your ambition. very interesting. this has - match your ambition. very l interesting. this has created match your ambition. very - interesting. this has created a match your ambition. very interesting. this has created a huge stand—off between gary lineker and the bbc but it has also got politicians absolutely on high alert, high drama. simon, why does it matter to some people in your party so much what a sports presenter is saying online? well, i disauree presenter is saying online? well, i disagree very _ presenter is saying online? well, i disagree very profoundly _ presenter is saying online? well, i disagree very profoundly with - presenter is saying online? well, i | disagree very profoundly with what gary lineker said. i think the

comparison to the 1930s that he has made _ comparison to the 1930s that he has made are _ comparison to the 1930s that he has made are deeply inappropriate and very tasteless. it is a very difficult _ very tasteless. it is a very difficult issue, i think as peter says — difficult issue, i think as peter says. there is an element whereby the bbc_ says. there is an element whereby the bbc needs to resolve some of the ambiguities about the relationship... ambiguities about the relationship. . .- ambiguities about the relationship... ambiguities about the relationshi... , ., , ., relationship... why does it matter to mps relationship... why does it matter to mp5 what _ relationship... why does it matter to mp5 what a _ relationship... why does it matter to mps what a sports _ relationship... why does it matter to mps what a sports presenter. relationship... why does it matter to mps what a sports presenter is| to mps what a sports presenter is saying? why does it get itself so wound up? saying? why does it get itself so wound up?— saying? why does it get itself so wound on?— saying? why does it get itself so wound u? . , , ~ wound up? ultimately, gary lineker has a hue wound up? ultimately, gary lineker has a huge reach _ wound up? ultimately, gary lineker has a huge reach and _ wound up? ultimately, gary lineker has a huge reach and the _ wound up? ultimately, gary lineker has a huge reach and the reality - wound up? ultimately, gary lineker has a huge reach and the reality is l has a huge reach and the reality is that he _ has a huge reach and the reality is that he is— has a huge reach and the reality is that he is obviously operating on a publicly— that he is obviously operating on a publicly funded broadcaster. he is someone — publicly funded broadcaster. he is someone whose platform largely derives _ someone whose platform largely derives from his role at the bbc. he is saying _ derives from his role at the bbc. he is saying things which are partisan and which — is saying things which are partisan and which i — is saying things which are partisan and which i think are also deeply unfain _ and which i think are also deeply unfain i— and which i think are also deeply unfair. ithink and which i think are also deeply unfair. i think the majority of people — unfair. i think the majority of people watching this programme would accept _ people watching this programme would accept that we have a legitimate i’i l ht accept that we have a legitimate right to — accept that we have a legitimate right to control our borders. wouldn't _ right to control our borders. wouldn't you also as a conservative stand up for free speech? yes. wouldn't you also as a conservative stand up for free speech?— stand up for free speech? yes, i would come _ stand up for free speech? yes, i would come and _ stand up for free speech? yes, i would come and i _ stand up for free speech? yes, i would come and i think- stand up for free speech? yes, i would come and i think this - stand up for free speech? yes, i i would come and i think this whole situation — would come and i think this whole situation is — would come and i think this whole situation is fundamentally a mess and it— situation is fundamentally a mess and it is— situation is fundamentally a mess and it is one that the bbc needs to resolve _ and it is one that the bbc needs to resolve this ambiguity. i don't like to resolve this ambiguity. idon't like to cancel— resolve this ambiguity. i don't like to cancel culture of any kind. i don't — to cancel culture of any kind. i don't like _ to cancel culture of any kind. i don't like to see people being taken

of her~ _ don't like to see people being taken of her~ i_ don't like to see people being taken of her. i think there is a slight irony— of her. i think there is a slight irony and _ of her. i think there is a slight irony and a _ of her. i think there is a slight irony and a slight hypocrisy because iwonder— irony and a slight hypocrisy because i wonder how many of the same people calling _ i wonder how many of the same people calling for— i wonder how many of the same people calling for gary lineker to be restored _ calling for gary lineker to be restored were calling forjeremy clarkson — restored were calling forjeremy clarkson a few weeks ago to be removed — clarkson a few weeks ago to be removed. , ., , _ removed. used the word hypocrisy there and i— removed. used the word hypocrisy there and i know _ removed. used the word hypocrisy there and i know on _ removed. used the word hypocrisy there and i know on twitter - removed. used the word hypocrisy there and i know on twitter you i removed. used the word hypocrisy i there and i know on twitter you said there and i know on twitter you said there was something about hypocrisy about this row, what did you mean by that? ~ 4' about this row, what did you mean by that? ~ ~ , , , that? well, ithink, firstly, gary lineker that? well, ithink, firstly, gary linekerwas— that? well, ithink, firstly, gary lineker was right _ that? well, ithink, firstly, gary lineker was right to _ that? well, ithink, firstly, gary lineker was right to call- that? well, ithink, firstly, gary lineker was right to call out - that? well, ithink, firstly, gary lineker was right to call out the | lineker was right to call out the government— lineker was right to call out the government bill— lineker was right to call out the government bill and _ lineker was right to call out the government bill and i— lineker was right to call out the government bill and i think, - lineker was right to call out the. government bill and i think, yes, lineker was right to call out the - government bill and i think, yes, he works— government bill and i think, yes, he works for— government bill and i think, yes, he works for the — government bill and i think, yes, he works for the bbc— government bill and i think, yes, he works for the bbc and _ government bill and i think, yes, he works for the bbc and it _ government bill and i think, yes, he works for the bbc and it is - works for the bbc and it is important _ works for the bbc and it is important that— works for the bbc and it is important that the - works for the bbc and it is important that the bbc- works for the bbc and it is important that the bbc is| works for the bbc and it is - important that the bbc is impartial but important that the bbc is impartial hut as— important that the bbc is impartial but as you — important that the bbc is impartial but as you say, _ important that the bbc is impartial but as you say. he _ important that the bbc is impartial but as you say, he is _ important that the bbc is impartial but as you say, he is a _ important that the bbc is impartial but as you say, he is a sports - but as you say, he is a sports presenter, _ but as you say, he is a sports presenter, not _ but as you say, he is a sports presenter, not a _ but as you say, he is a sports presenter, not a news - but as you say, he is a sports - presenter, not a news presenter. if we are — presenter, not a news presenter. if we are going — presenter, not a news presenter. if we are going to— presenter, not a news presenter. if we are going to talk— presenter, not a news presenter. if we are going to talk about - we are going to talk about impartiality. _ we are going to talk about impartiality, let's - we are going to talk about impartiality, let's talk - we are going to talk about i impartiality, let's talk about we are going to talk about - impartiality, let's talk about the fact that — impartiality, let's talk about the fact that bbc _ impartiality, let's talk about the fact that bbc chairman - impartiality, let's talk about the fact that bbc chairman donated | fact that bbc chairman donated £400,000 _ fact that bbc chairman donated £400,000 to— fact that bbc chairman donated £400,000 to the _ fact that bbc chairman donated £400,000 to the conservativel fact that bbc chairman donated - £400,000 to the conservative party and arranged — £400,000 to the conservative party and arranged and _ £400,000 to the conservative party and arranged and £800,000 - £400,000 to the conservative party and arranged and £800,000 loan i £400,000 to the conservative party and arranged and £800,000 loan toj and arranged and £800,000 loan to boris johnson — and arranged and £800,000 loan to borisjohnson. but— and arranged and £800,000 loan to boris johnson. but what _ and arranged and £800,000 loan to borisjohnson. but what i— and arranged and £800,000 loan to boris johnson. but what i think - and arranged and £800,000 loan to boris johnson. but what i think we . boris johnson. but what i think we mustn't _ boris johnson. but what i think we mustn't he — boris johnson. but what i think we mustn't be distracted _ boris johnson. but what i think we mustn't be distracted by— boris johnson. but what i think we mustn't be distracted by is- boris johnson. but what i think we mustn't be distracted by is from i boris johnson. but what i think we i mustn't be distracted by is from the bill mustn't be distracted by is from the hill itself, _ mustn't be distracted by is from the bill itself, which — mustn't be distracted by is from the bill itself, which is _ mustn't be distracted by is from the bill itself, which is what _ mustn't be distracted by is from the bill itself, which is what gary - bill itself, which is what gary lineker— bill itself, which is what gary lineker was— bill itself, which is what gary lineker was drawing - bill itself, which is what garyl lineker was drawing attention bill itself, which is what gary - lineker was drawing attention to. the government— lineker was drawing attention to. the government is— lineker was drawing attention to. the government is trying - lineker was drawing attention to. the government is trying to - lineker was drawing attention to. the government is trying to playl the government is trying to play divide _ the government is trying to play divide and — the government is trying to play divide and rule, _ the government is trying to play divide and rule, pure _ the government is trying to play divide and rule, pure and - the government is trying to playl divide and rule, pure and simple, the government is trying to play- divide and rule, pure and simple, by criminalising — divide and rule, pure and simple, by criminalising asylum _

divide and rule, pure and simple, by criminalising asylum seekers - divide and rule, pure and simple, by criminalising asylum seekers and . divide and rule, pure and simple, by criminalising asylum seekers and inl criminalising asylum seekers and in the process, — criminalising asylum seekers and in the process, risking _ criminalising asylum seekers and in the process, risking breaking - the process, risking breaking international— the process, risking breaking international law. _ the process, risking breaking international law.— the process, risking breaking international law. some people in our -a international law. some people in your party say _ international law. some people in your party say actually, _ international law. some people in your party say actually, what - international law. some people in your party say actually, what he i your party say actually, what he said, to make a comparison with 19305 said, to make a comparison with 1930s germany, yvette cooper said that he was wrong to do that, so some people even in your own party think he overstepped the mark. i think he overstepped the mark. i think the point that he was making was about— think the point that he was making was about the _ think the point that he was making was about the cruelty _ think the point that he was making was about the cruelty of _ think the point that he was making was about the cruelty of this - think the point that he was making was about the cruelty of this bill. i was about the cruelty of this bill. when _ was about the cruelty of this bill. when you — was about the cruelty of this bill. when you think _ was about the cruelty of this bill. when you think about _ was about the cruelty of this bill. when you think about the - was about the cruelty of this bill. when you think about the kind i was about the cruelty of this bill. when you think about the kind of wider— when you think about the kind of wider picture. _ when you think about the kind of wider picture, with— when you think about the kind of wider picture, with the _ when you think about the kind of i wider picture, with the government, you would _ wider picture, with the government, you would have _ wider picture, with the government, you would have thought _ wider picture, with the government, you would have thought that - wider picture, with the government, you would have thought that they. you would have thought that they would _ you would have thought that they would have — you would have thought that they would have learned _ you would have thought that they would have learned not— you would have thought that they would have learned not to - you would have thought that they would have learned not to pick. would have learned not to pick fights — would have learned not to pick fights with _ would have learned not to pick fights with footballers - would have learned not to pick fights with footballers after i would have learned not to pick- fights with footballers after marcus rashford — fights with footballers after marcus rashford the _ fights with footballers after marcus rashford. the u—turns_ fights with footballers after marcus rashford. the u—turns on- fights with footballers after marcus rashford. the u—turns on free i fights with footballers after marcus . rashford. the u—turns on free school meals _ rashford. the u—turns on free school meals and _ rashford. the u—turns on free school meals and now— rashford. the u—turns on free school meals and now this _ rashford. the u—turns on free school meals and now this with _ rashford. the u—turns on free school meals and now this with gary- rashford. the u—turns on free school meals and now this with gary linekerj meals and now this with gary lineker and now— meals and now this with gary lineker and now we _ meals and now this with gary lineker and now we are — meals and now this with gary lineker and now we are all— meals and now this with gary lineker and now we are all talking _ meals and now this with gary lineker and now we are all talking about i meals and now this with gary lineker and now we are all talking about the i and now we are all talking about the government's— and now we are all talking about the government's rule _ and now we are all talking about the government's rule asylum _ and now we are all talking about the government's rule asylum policy. i government's rule asylum policy. simon. _ government's rule asylum policy. simon. you — government's rule asylum policy. simon. you are _ government's rule asylum policy. simon, you are shaking - government's rule asylum policy. simon, you are shaking your- government's rule asylum policy. | simon, you are shaking your head government's rule asylum policy. i simon, you are shaking your head at some of that but we will get back to you later. lots of people picking different fights with different people in the last 48 hours. the boss of the bbc, tim davie, is under pressure to resolve the crisis with one of his top talents. here's what he had to say yesterday. this has been a tough time

for the bbc and we care about our audiences. we want to get the right outcome for this. we are working very hard to get that done. and i would like to see gary lineker return on air. how is the bbc going to climb out of what does feel like a crisis, with popular programmes not fully on air? who better to ask than a man who has sat in the director general�*s chair, mark thomspon, who had the hot seat during the storm over a trailer that misrepresented the queen, russell brand and jonathan ross's prank calls on the radio, and horror of horrors, a fake competiton at blue peter. small beer perhaps compared to the hyperspeed hyperbole of the 2020s, or is it? mark went on to run the new york times and convert it into a huge digital brand. he's here. and you are now the chair of another huge online business. welcome to you. how has the organisation found itself in this mess? i mean, this seems completely out of control. most importantly, popular programmes

are not on air properly so the audience is losing out. do you think the bbc looks like it knows what it is doing? the bbc looks like it knows what it is doinu ? ~ �* , the bbc looks like it knows what it isdoinu? �*, ., ,, is doing? well, let's... calmness and proportion- _ is doing? well, let's... calmness and proportion. we _ is doing? well, let's... calmness and proportion. we have - is doing? well, let's... calmness and proportion. we have lost- is doing? well, let's... calmness and proportion. we have lost a l and proportion. we have lost a couple of sports programmes so far which is obviously disappointing for much of the day fans —— for match of the day fans who got a much truncated version of the programme but walking into the bbc this morning, it is a place which is meant to be in complete crisis, but it is its usual, rather boring, solid self. i believe that viewers and listeners should believe the bbc is going to be here and frankly, people will have forgotten about this in a few weeks or months, certainly years. so it is what it is, which is an argument about actually quite a difficult area, which is, what are the bounds of what is reasonable for very big bbc stars to i say? is it ok for them to insert themselves full force into a

very controversial new cycle? it is easy with news. if you, laura kuenssberg, had put out this tweet, the monty python bigfoot would come down immediately, splat, that would be at. ., , ., be at. out of the building in a coule be at. out of the building in a couple of _ be at. out of the building in a couple of minutes. _ be at. out of the building in a couple of minutes. and i be at. out of the building in a | couple of minutes. and rightly be at. out of the building in a i couple of minutes. and rightly so but in these _ couple of minutes. and rightly so but in these cases. _ couple of minutes. and rightly so but in these cases. but _ couple of minutes. and rightly so but in these cases. but what i couple of minutes. and rightly so but in these cases. but what is i couple of minutes. and rightly so. but in these cases. but what is the ri . ht but in these cases. but what is the right approach? — but in these cases. but what is the right approach? it _ but in these cases. but what is the right approach? it is _ but in these cases. but what is the right approach? it is interesting, i right approach? it is interesting, grea right approach? it is interesting, greg bike. _ right approach? it is interesting, greg bike. the — right approach? it is interesting, greg bike, the former— right approach? it is interesting, greg bike, the former dg, i right approach? it is interesting, i greg bike, the former dg, yesterday, was saying that the guidelines, the rules on impartiality, apply only to news and current affairs but not if you read them. this is the paragraph, "there are also others who are notjournalists or involved in factual programmes who nevertheless have an additional responsibility to the bbc because of their profile at the bbc. we expect these individuals to avoid taking site on party political issues or political controversies and to take care when addressing public policy issues". that is a new guideline, after our time.— after our time. under that guideline. _ after our time. under that guideline, in _ after our time. under that guideline, in your- after our time. under that guideline, in your view, i after our time. under that guideline, in your view, isj after our time. under that l guideline, in your view, is it after our time. under that - guideline, in your view, is it clear that gary teale in —— that gary lineker was over them as one of the high—profile figures? this

lineker was over them as one of the high-profile figures?— high-profile figures? this is the thin , high-profile figures? this is the thin, i high-profile figures? this is the thing. i would _ high-profile figures? this is the thing, i would say _ high-profile figures? this is the thing, i would say firstly, i high-profile figures? this is the thing, i would say firstly, and l thing, i would say firstly, and obviously i've not been involved in it at all, on the face of it, gary lineker�*s tweet looks like a come on the face of it, a technical breach of the guideline. but i think we also have our old friend the grey area here. in other words, also have our old friend the grey area here. in otherwords, no also have our old friend the grey area here. in other words, no one thinks this is the same as you will huw edwards doing it, this is not like a news presenter basically tearing up the impartiality principles inside the news machine, and the debate and one of the reasons i think that tim davie and others in the bbc will want to have a look at the guideline is in social media, public expectations and practices are changing all the time now. what i would... to cut to the chase, what i would hope is that both gary lineker, who is an outstanding broadcaster, and the bbc, will boast, despite the kind of crazy noise in the papers and all the rest of it, calmly take the time

to look at whether there is common ground and a way forward of looking at that now two or three years old guideline. at that now two or three years old auideline. . �* at that now two or three years old auideline. , �* , ., ,., ., ,., guideline. isn't this also about the bi aer guideline. isn't this also about the bigger issue. _ guideline. isn't this also about the bigger issue, not _ guideline. isn't this also about the bigger issue, notjust _ guideline. isn't this also about the bigger issue, notjust about i guideline. isn't this also about the bigger issue, notjust about some| bigger issue, notjust about some words in a bbc guideline? this is also about public perception and isn't it perhaps the case that actually, the bbc has walked into something that has left many people, perhaps many people this morning, watching and thinking, hang on a minute, they have taken the side of the government. isn't there the perception that actually the bbc has bowed to pressure from the conservatives, not least because of the ongoing saga of the bbc chair and his donations to the conservative party? i and his donations to the conservative party? and his donations to the conservative pa ? ., ., .., conservative party? i want to come onto that separately. _ conservative party? i want to come onto that separately. i _ conservative party? i want to come onto that separately. i think- conservative party? i want to come onto that separately. i think what i onto that separately. i think what the bbc has walked into is the 2ist—century. if you go across the atlantic to my most recent main employer, the new york times, very similar debates about the boundaries of "freedom of speech" and what is

appropriate for an organisation which is trying to remain independent and impartial. i5 which is trying to remain independent and impartial. is it ossible independent and impartial. is it possible in _ independent and impartial. is it possible in this _ independent and impartial. is it possible in this world, then? independent and impartial. is it i possible in this world, then? this is ulobal. possible in this world, then? this is global- the _ possible in this world, then? try 3 is global. the point is, it is like new behaviours, new public attitudes,, understandable attitudes attitudes, , understandable attitudes from attitudes,, understandable attitudes from individuals, e:g., a freelancer, like gary lineker, and therefore, they need to think carefully about where to strike the balance. i think the balance is going to continue to change. i don't believe... i mean, this particular incident in some ways is a very unhappy accident. gary lineker clearly, i know gary well enough to believe in his integrity and his good faith, felt passionately about an issue and wanted to throw that into the debate. the effect of the tweet, as we have heard, has been to distract from the actual issue, the men, women and children in those boats and all of that. and now it has become an issue about gary lineker and the bbc. so weirdly, far

from actually kind of influencing that debate, it has kidnapped the debate and put it into another unhelpful direction. but debate and put it into another unhelpful direction.— debate and put it into another unhelpful direction. but do you think that the _ unhelpful direction. but do you think that the issue _ unhelpful direction. but do you think that the issue around i unhelpful direction. but do you i think that the issue around richard sharp, the bbc chair, has made it harderfor the bbc to sharp, the bbc chair, has made it harder for the bbc to defend what is going on? would it be better, in your view, going on? would it be better, in yourview, if going on? would it be better, in your view, if the board said to its chair, which they would have the power to do, not tim davie alone, but the board could say or he could decide to step aside for a while while the inquiry into his links to borisjohnson is concluded? abmd while the inquiry into his links to boris johnson is concluded? and when ou sa not boris johnson is concluded? and when you say not tim _ boris johnson is concluded? and when you say not tim davie _ boris johnson is concluded? and when you say not tim davie alone, - boris johnson is concluded? and when you say not tim davie alone, not i boris johnson is concluded? and when you say not tim davie alone, not at i you say not tim davie alone, not at all. it you say not tim davie alone, not at all. . . you say not tim davie alone, not at all. , ., ., ., , all. it is a government appointment. boris all. it is a government appointment. iztoris johnson _ all. it is a government appointment. boris johnson appointed _ all. it is a government appointment. boris johnson appointed richard i boris johnson appointed richard sharp, borisjohnson appointed richard sharp, not tim davie. but to defend that reputation, would it be better for the but to defend that reputation, would it be betterfor the bbc but to defend that reputation, would it be better for the bbc if the chairman richard sharp with his links to the conservative party were to step aside until whatever happened with borisjohnson and his finances is cleared up? hang happened with boris johnson and his finances is cleared up?— finances is cleared up? hang about. at the moment _ finances is cleared up? hang about. at the moment there _ finances is cleared up? hang about. at the moment there is _ finances is cleared up? hang about. at the moment there is an - at the moment there is an independent inquiry going on into this matter. leading council is

asking everyone who will produce relatively sooner report.- asking everyone who will produce relatively sooner report. should he ste aside relatively sooner report. should he step aside while _ relatively sooner report. should he step aside while that _ relatively sooner report. should he step aside while that happens? i relatively sooner report. should he| step aside while that happens? the chairman step aside while that happens? tie: chairman of the step aside while that happens? ti9: chairman of the bbc step aside while that happens? t'i9 chairman of the bbc is step aside while that happens? ti9 chairman of the bbc is not an operational executive. you will not see the chairman of the bbc giving orders. they look at bbc policy strategically... orders. they look at bbc policy strategically. . .— orders. they look at bbc policy strategically. . . strategically... isn't it different? gary lineker— strategically... isn't it different? gary lineker is _ strategically... isn't it different? gary lineker is an _ strategically... isn't it different? gary lineker is an active - gary lineker is an active broadcaster for the bbc. gary lineker is an active broadcasterfor the bbc. richard sharp is part of the governing body which doesn't take decisions in real time about matters. so i think the most sensible thing again is to calm down, ignore the papers and let the person who is doing the inquiry complete the inquiry, look at what they say and make a decision on the basis of what you know about the facts rather than on the fly deciding, oh dear, it's awkward having these things running at the same time, let's shoot from the hip. ijust want to same time, let's shoot from the hip. i just want to ask, do you same time, let's shoot from the hip. ijust want to ask, do you think gary lineker will be back on air

tonight? i gary lineker will be back on air toniaht? :, , gary lineker will be back on air toniaht? :,, ,:, gary lineker will be back on air tonight?_ do - gary lineker will be back on air tonight?_ do you i gary lineker will be back on air. tonight?_ do you think gary lineker will be back on air- tonight?_ do you think tim tonight? i hope so. do you think tim davie will surprise _ tonight? i hope so. do you think tim davie will surprise this _ tonight? i hope so. do you think tim davie will surprise this -- _ tonight? i hope so. do you think tim davie will surprise this -- survive i davie will surprise this —— survive this? i davie will surprise this -- survive this? :, , ,:, davie will surprise this -- survive this? :,, ., , mark, thank you very much forjoining us. let's hear from our panel. peter salmon is a fellow former bbc executive. what did you make of what mark had to say? he's obviously trying to calm things down, take a breath, but how do you think that will play out?— will play out? mark is my former boss so i'm _ will play out? mark is my former boss so i'm bound _ will play out? mark is my former boss so i'm bound to _ will play out? mark is my former boss so i'm bound to say - will play out? mark is my former boss so i'm bound to say this, i will play out? mark is my former boss so i'm bound to say this, a | will play out? mark is my former. boss so i'm bound to say this, a lot of wisdom and called thinking, you are absolutely right, played out in real—time against one of the political debates of the day. so a deep breath, think about it. each side pull back a little bit and move forward together. i think the issue of resolving the issues around the chair are quite complex inevitably because staff feel it. i know from chatting to friends of mine in the

organisation that... it's not that it impacted this decision but the staff are looking over their shoulders. they are worried about instability. people at the bbc feel that very intimately so, and i think that very intimately so, and i think that has got to be resolved quite quickly. we that has got to be resolved quite cuickl . 9 . that has got to be resolved quite cuickl . 9 , ., that has got to be resolved quite uickl. 9 , ., , quickly. we will see what happens in the next few — quickly. we will see what happens in the next few days. _ quickly. we will see what happens in the next few days. as _ quickly. we will see what happens in the next few days. as talk _ quickly. we will see what happens in the next few days. as talk about i quickly. we will see what happens in the next few days. as talk about the | the next few days. as talk about the budget because the decisions the chancellor announces in the next 48 hours will affect every one of us. nadia, what would you expect and what would you hope to hear from the chancellor? and i suppose what are the problems you think he will try and fix? 9. the problems you think he will try and fix? ., , :, , , and fix? the immediate priority is helinu and fix? the immediate priority is helping people _ and fix? the immediate priority is helping people with _ and fix? the immediate priority is helping people with the _ and fix? the immediate priority is helping people with the cost i and fix? the immediate priority is helping people with the cost of i helping people with the cost of living _ helping people with the cost of living crisis. that means raising pay. _ living crisis. that means raising pay. raising— living crisis. that means raising pay, raising benefits, implementing a proper— pay, raising benefits, implementing a proper windfall tax on oil and gas giants _ a proper windfall tax on oil and gas giants to— a proper windfall tax on oil and gas giants to cut people's bills. then we also — giants to cut people's bills. then we also need ambition for the future — we also need ambition for the future so— we also need ambition for the

future. so essentially taxing the rich. _ future. so essentially taxing the rich, introducing wealth taxes and using _ rich, introducing wealth taxes and using that — rich, introducing wealth taxes and using that money to invest in public services. _ using that money to invest in public services, both in long—term challenges like the climate crisis, and also — challenges like the climate crisis, and also to— challenges like the climate crisis, and also to ease the cost of living. but what _ and also to ease the cost of living. but what we have instead after 13 years _ but what we have instead after 13 years of— but what we have instead after 13 years of austerity is we have seen our public— years of austerity is we have seen our public services crumbling, our social— our public services crumbling, our social security net has been destroyed, and now we are going into a cost _ destroyed, and now we are going into a cost of— destroyed, and now we are going into a cost of living crisis. well, we are in— a cost of living crisis. well, we are in a — a cost of living crisis. well, we are in a cost— a cost of living crisis. well, we are in a cost of living crisis and it seems— are in a cost of living crisis and it seems the government is offering more _ it seems the government is offering more of— it seems the government is offering more of the same which is basically saying _ more of the same which is basically saying to _ more of the same which is basically saying to people, i know you are worse _ saying to people, i know you are worse off— saying to people, i know you are worse off than you were in 2008, i was it _ worse off than you were in 2008, i was it in _ worse off than you were in 2008, i was 11 in 2008. we worse off than you were in 2008, i was 11 in 2008.— worse off than you were in 2008, i was 11 in 2008. we have already said ou are was 11 in 2008. we have already said you are the — was 11 in 2008. we have already said you are the youngest _ was 11 in 2008. we have already said you are the youngest mp, _ was 11 in 2008. we have already said you are the youngest mp, showing i you are the youngest mp, showing off! �* , :, . you are the youngest mp, showing off! �* , :, :, :, you are the youngest mp, showing off! �* ., :, :, :, you are the youngest mp, showing off! �* , :, :, :, :, :, :, off! but you are not going to get a -a rise. off! but you are not going to get a pay rise- simon. _ off! but you are not going to get a pay rise. simon, you _ off! but you are not going to get a pay rise. simon, you are - off! but you are not going to get a pay rise. simon, you are not i off! but you are not going to get a pay rise. simon, you are not on i off! but you are not going to get a i pay rise. simon, you are not on the same page — pay rise. simon, you are not on the same page as _ pay rise. simon, you are not on the same page as nadia _ pay rise. simon, you are not on the same page as nadia but _ pay rise. simon, you are not on the same page as nadia but people i pay rise. simon, you are not on the same page as nadia but people are| same page as nadia but people are suffering, aren't they?— suffering, aren't they? absolutely, these are difficult _ suffering, aren't they? absolutely, these are difficult times _ suffering, aren't they? absolutely,

these are difficult times and i suffering, aren't they? absolutely, these are difficult times and there | these are difficult times and there are a _ these are difficult times and there are a wide — these are difficult times and there are a wide variety— these are difficult times and there are a wide variety of— these are difficult times and there are a wide variety of reasons i these are difficult times and there are a wide variety of reasons for l are a wide variety of reasons for that _ are a wide variety of reasons for that we — are a wide variety of reasons for that we know— are a wide variety of reasons for that. we know the _ are a wide variety of reasons for that. we know the impact- are a wide variety of reasons for that. we know the impact of- are a wide variety of reasons fori that. we know the impact of the pandemic, — that. we know the impact of the pandemic, the _ that. we know the impact of the pandemic, the war— that. we know the impact of the pandemic, the war in _ that. we know the impact of the pandemic, the war in europe - that. we know the impact of the| pandemic, the war in europe and that. we know the impact of the - pandemic, the war in europe and the consequences — pandemic, the war in europe and the consequences of _ pandemic, the war in europe and the consequences of what _ pandemic, the war in europe and the consequences of what putin - pandemic, the war in europe and the consequences of what putin has - pandemic, the war in europe and the. consequences of what putin has done. if we want— consequences of what putin has done. if we want inflation _ consequences of what putin has done. if we want inflation to _ consequences of what putin has done. if we want inflation to come _ consequences of what putin has done. if we want inflation to come down - consequences of what putin has done. if we want inflation to come down as l if we want inflation to come down as quickly— if we want inflation to come down as quickly as— if we want inflation to come down as quickly as possible, _ if we want inflation to come down as quickly as possible, then _ if we want inflation to come down as quickly as possible, then we - if we want inflation to come down as quickly as possible, then we need i if we want inflation to come down as quickly as possible, then we need to show— quickly as possible, then we need to show sensible — quickly as possible, then we need to show sensible restraint. _ quickly as possible, then we need to show sensible restraint. that - quickly as possible, then we need to show sensible restraint. that is- show sensible restraint. that is something _ show sensible restraint. that is something which— show sensible restraint. that is something which i— show sensible restraint. that is something which i think- show sensible restraint. that is something which i think is - show sensible restraint. that is something which i think is a - something which i think is a difficult _ something which i think is a difficult but _ something which i think is a difficult but important - something which i think is a difficult but important truth| something which i think is a - difficult but important truth that we need — difficult but important truth that we need to— difficult but important truth that we need to convey _ difficult but important truth that we need to convey to _ difficult but important truth that we need to convey to the - difficult but important truth that we need to convey to the public| difficult but important truth that l we need to convey to the public at this time, — we need to convey to the public at this time, that _ we need to convey to the public at this time, that if _ we need to convey to the public at this time, that if we _ we need to convey to the public at this time, that if we go _ we need to convey to the public at this time, that if we go for - this time, that if we go for inflation _ this time, that if we go for inflation busting _ this time, that if we go for inflation busting pay- this time, that if we go for - inflation busting pay increases as unions _ inflation busting pay increases as unions are — inflation busting pay increases as unions are demanding, _ inflation busting pay increases as unions are demanding, up - inflation busting pay increases as unions are demanding, up to - inflation busting pay increases asi unions are demanding, up to 19% inflation busting pay increases as . unions are demanding, up to 19% in some— unions are demanding, up to 19% in some cases. — unions are demanding, up to 19% in some cases. we _ unions are demanding, up to 19% in some cases, we will— unions are demanding, up to 19% in some cases, we will i'm _ unions are demanding, up to 19% in some cases, we will i'm afraid - unions are demanding, up to 19% in| some cases, we will i'm afraid make things— some cases, we will i'm afraid make things worse — some cases, we will i'm afraid make things worse rather— some cases, we will i'm afraid make things worse rather than _ some cases, we will i'm afraid make things worse rather than better. - things worse rather than better. there _ things worse rather than better. there is— things worse rather than better. there is tots _ things worse rather than better. there is lots we _ things worse rather than better. there is lots we can _ things worse rather than better. there is lots we can do - things worse rather than better. there is lots we can do on - things worse rather than better. there is lots we can do on the l there is lots we can do on the positive — there is lots we can do on the positive side _ there is lots we can do on the positive side to _ there is lots we can do on the positive side to make - there is lots we can do on the positive side to make sure - there is lots we can do on the | positive side to make sure the economy— positive side to make sure the economy is— positive side to make sure the economy is stronger— positive side to make sure the economy is stronger and - positive side to make sure the economy is stronger and thati positive side to make sure the - economy is stronger and that living standards— economy is stronger and that living standards improve. _ economy is stronger and that living standards improve. and _ economy is stronger and that living standards improve. and growth - economy is stronger and that living . standards improve. and growth really is the _ standards improve. and growth really is the central— standards improve. and growth really is the central challenge _ standards improve. and growth really is the central challenge which - standards improve. and growth really is the central challenge which i- is the central challenge which i think— is the central challenge which i think the — is the central challenge which i think the chancellor— is the central challenge which i think the chancellor will- is the central challenge which i think the chancellor will try - is the central challenge which ii think the chancellor will try and address— think the chancellor will try and address this _ think the chancellor will try and address this week. _ think the chancellor will try and address this week. do - think the chancellor will try and address this week.— think the chancellor will try and address this week. do you think there will be _ address this week. do you think there will be tax _ address this week. do you think there will be tax cuts? - address this week. do you think there will be tax cuts? i - address this week. do you think there will be tax cuts? i would l address this week. do you think i there will be tax cuts? i would love to see a reduction _ there will be tax cuts? i would love to see a reduction in _ there will be tax cuts? i would love to see a reduction in the _ there will be tax cuts? i would love to see a reduction in the burden . there will be tax cuts? i would love to see a reduction in the burden of| to see a reduction in the burden of taxation _ to see a reduction in the burden of taxation. there _ to see a reduction in the burden of taxation. there are _ to see a reduction in the burden of taxation. there are difficult - taxation. there are difficult choices— taxation. there are difficult choices around _ taxation. there are difficult choices around how - taxation. there are difficult choices around how we - taxation. there are difficult - choices around how we address this but i choices around how we address this but i don't — choices around how we address this but i don't think— choices around how we address this but i don't think we _ choices around how we address this but i don't think we can _ choices around how we address this

but i don't think we can continue i choices around how we address this but i don't think we can continue to| but i don't think we can continue to look but i don't think we can continue to took at _ but i don't think we can continue to took at att— but i don't think we can continue to took at all the _ but i don't think we can continue to look at all the challenges _ but i don't think we can continue to look at all the challenges this - look at all the challenges this country— look at all the challenges this country faces— look at all the challenges this country faces around - look at all the challenges this country faces around an - look at all the challenges this country faces around an everi look at all the challenges this - country faces around an ever larger set of— country faces around an ever larger set of demands _ country faces around an ever larger set of demands and _ country faces around an ever larger set of demands and say— country faces around an ever larger set of demands and say that - country faces around an ever larger set of demands and say that just i set of demands and say that just dividing — set of demands and say that just dividing the _ set of demands and say that just dividing the cake _ set of demands and say that just dividing the cake ever— set of demands and say that just dividing the cake ever more - set of demands and say that justi dividing the cake ever more finely will get _ dividing the cake ever more finely will get us — dividing the cake ever more finely will get us out _ dividing the cake ever more finely will get us out of _ dividing the cake ever more finely will get us out of trouble. - dividing the cake ever more finely will get us out of trouble. you - dividing the cake ever more finely will get us out of trouble. you keep talkin: will get us out of trouble. you keep talking about _ will get us out of trouble. you keep talking about difficult _ will get us out of trouble. you keep talking about difficult choices - will get us out of trouble. you keep talking about difficult choices but i talking about difficult choices but you are _ talking about difficult choices but you are not talking about who's making — you are not talking about who's making them. through my constituency door we _ making them. through my constituency door we are _ making them. through my constituency door we are seeing people who haven't— door we are seeing people who haven't had a hot meal in days. i have _ haven't had a hot meal in days. i have seen— haven't had a hot meal in days. i have seen a _ haven't had a hot meal in days. i have seen a mother who has had to put have seen a mother who has had to out three _ have seen a mother who has had to put three pairs of socks on her baby because _ put three pairs of socks on her baby because she — put three pairs of socks on her baby because she can't afford heating and is having _ because she can't afford heating and is having to — because she can't afford heating and is having to survive on her children's— is having to survive on her children's leftovers. what do you say then — children's leftovers. what do you say then to those people? what do you say— say then to those people? what do you say to — say then to those people? what do you say to a nurse who can't afford to feed _ you say to a nurse who can't afford to feed her— you say to a nurse who can't afford to feed her kids? do you just say, well you _ to feed her kids? do you just say, well you have to put up with it? then _ well you have to put up with it? then they — well you have to put up with it? then they will leave the nhs and that's— then they will leave the nhs and that's fuelling the crisis in retention of recruitment. we have ut retention of recruitment. we have put together _ retention of recruitment. we have put together a _ retention of recruitment. we have put together a package _ retention of recruitment. we have put together a package worth - retention of recruitment. we have| put together a package worth over £37 biition — put together a package worth over £37 billion for _ put together a package worth over £37 billion for the _ put together a package worth over £37 billion for the cost _ put together a package worth over £37 billion for the cost of - put together a package worth over £37 billion for the cost of living, i £37 billion for the cost of living, and those — £37 billion for the cost of living, and those who _ £37 billion for the cost of living, and those who need _ £37 billion for the cost of living, and those who need it - £37 billion for the cost of living, and those who need it the - £37 billion for the cost of living, and those who need it the mostj £37 billion for the cost of living, -

and those who need it the most have received _ and those who need it the most have received the — and those who need it the most have received the most. _ and those who need it the most have received the most. but— and those who need it the most have received the most.— received the most. but it isn't makin: received the most. but it isn't making a _ received the most. but it isn't making a difference _ received the most. but it isn't making a difference to - received the most. but it isn't making a difference to that i making a difference to that individual person. it making a difference to that individual person. it should be makin: a individual person. it should be making a difference _ individual person. it should be making a difference in - individual person. it should be making a difference in every i making a difference in every household _ making a difference in every household.— making a difference in every household. �* �*, ., . . �*, household. but it's not and that's because wages — household. but it's not and that's because wages are _ household. but it's not and that's because wages are not _ household. but it's not and that's because wages are not going - household. but it's not and that's because wages are not going up. | household. but it's not and that's. because wages are not going up. if because wages are not going up. if you because wages are not going up. you want to because wages are not going up. if you want to see wages growth sustainable. — you want to see wages growth sustainable, we _ you want to see wages growth sustainable, we need - you want to see wages growth sustainable, we need to - you want to see wages growth sustainable, we need to make you want to see wages growth - sustainable, we need to make sure we have the _ sustainable, we need to make sure we have the most— sustainable, we need to make sure we have the most competitive _ sustainable, we need to make sure we have the most competitive and - have the most competitive and dynamic — have the most competitive and dynamic economy— have the most competitive and dynamic economy we - have the most competitive and dynamic economy we have - have the most competitive and dynamic economy we have and j have the most competitive and - dynamic economy we have and make sure the _ dynamic economy we have and make sure the infrastructure _ dynamic economy we have and make sure the infrastructure we _ dynamic economy we have and make sure the infrastructure we need - dynamic economy we have and make sure the infrastructure we need can. sure the infrastructure we need can io sure the infrastructure we need can go in _ sure the infrastructure we need can go in we _ sure the infrastructure we need can go in we need _ sure the infrastructure we need can go in we need to _ sure the infrastructure we need can go in. we need to make _ sure the infrastructure we need can go in. we need to make sure - sure the infrastructure we need can go in. we need to make sure we i sure the infrastructure we need cani go in. we need to make sure we are doing _ go in. we need to make sure we are doing things — go in. we need to make sure we are doing things so _ go in. we need to make sure we are doing things so the _ go in. we need to make sure we are doing things so the uk _ go in. we need to make sure we are doing things so the uk becomes- doing things so the uk becomes a better— doing things so the uk becomes a better place — doing things so the uk becomes a better place because _ doing things so the uk becomes a better place because of _ doing things so the uk becomes a better place because of a - doing things so the uk becomes a better place because of a lower. doing things so the uk becomes ai better place because of a lower tax regime _ better place because of a lower tax regime than — better place because of a lower tax regime than other— better place because of a lower tax regime than other countries. - better place because of a lower tax regime than other countries. yourl regime than other countries. your -a has regime than other countries. your party has scrapped _ regime than other countries. your party has scrapped local _ party has scrapped local house—building targets. and party has scrapped local house-building targets. and keir starmer was _ house-building targets. and keir starmer was campaigning - house-building targets. and keir starmer was campaigning in - house-building targets. and keir| starmer was campaigning in 2021 against _ starmer was campaigning in 2021 against our— starmer was campaigning in 2021 against our planned _ starmer was campaigning in 2021 against our planned reforms - starmer was campaigning in 2021| against our planned reforms when robert _ against our planned reforms when robertjenrick_ against our planned reforms when robertjenrick was— against our planned reforms when robert jenrick was the _ against our planned reforms when robert jenrick was the housing. robert jenrick was the housing secretarv _ robert jenrick was the housing secreta . ., ., . . ., secretary. you two will have another to at secretary. you two will have another go at trying — secretary. you two will have another go at trying to _ secretary. you two will have another go at trying to resolve _ secretary. you two will have another go at trying to resolve your- go at trying to resolve your argument after reacting to what the chancellor has to say but thank you for now. some big questions because wednesday is a big day.

but no week alone is responsible for how we make our living as a country — so after more than ten years of the conservatives in charge, what is the big picture? remember 2010? # you are amazing just the way you are. bruno mars was number one. to infinity and... we went to infinity and beyond for the third time at the cinema. and this freshfaced young man had just been made to the culture secretary. the culture secretary. we want to do things and do things better. we can only do that if we put the economy back on its feet and in particular restore the nation's finances. since then, though, on average, the economy has grown only by 1.5% per year, measly by historical standards but not bad compared to other countries. but look what has happened to wages in that time. at the end of 2010, the average take—home pay was just under £600 a week in today's cash. but in december last year, it was £588, so by some measures, average wages are less then 12 years ago. and the average house now

costs nearly seven times the average earnings, up from five times back then. and of course, rents now are racing up, too, by 12% in the last year. a slightly olderjeremy huntjoins us in the studio, looking almost exactly the same but maybe with a new thai! looking at those statistics, do you think life has got harder under the conservatives at�* time in charge? i’m got harder under the conservatives at' time in charge?— at' time in charge? i'm actually very proud _ at' time in charge? i'm actually very proud of— at' time in charge? i'm actually very proud of the _ at' time in charge? i'm actually very proud of the fact - at' time in charge? i'm actually very proud of the fact that - at' time in charge? i'm actually| very proud of the fact that given the challenges we have had, the biggest financial crisis since the second world war, the energy crisis caused by what's happening in ukraine, the pandemic, we have grown faster than major countries like france, japan, italy, and about the same rate as germany, europe's biggest economy. at the same time we have managed to bring inequality down, we have lifted 2 million households out of absolute poverty

after housing costs including half a million children, so i think we have had some big progress but i don't want to pretend we haven't had big challenges. looking forward, people want to see we have a plan. this is what i want to show on wednesday in the budget, to make us one of the most prosperous countries in the world. �* , ., most prosperous countries in the world. �* ,, ., , world. but you know very well given the immediate _ world. but you know very well given the immediate pressures _ world. but you know very well given the immediate pressures but - world. but you know very well given the immediate pressures but also . the immediate pressures but also some of the long—term issues, many people find it much harder to get on now, particularly the younger generation. and because wealth, weather investments and things like money and houses, has grown much faster than wages. is it fair that under more than ten years of conservative government, it is harder for young conservative government, it is harderfor young people conservative government, it is harder for young people to conservative government, it is harderfor young people to make economic progress if they don't have a big gift from the bank of mum and dad? taste a big gift from the bank of mum and dad? ~ . a big gift from the bank of mum and dad? . ., ., . a big gift from the bank of mum and dad? ~ . .. , a big gift from the bank of mum and dad? . . , , dad? we have faced very big challenges — dad? we have faced very big challenges in _ dad? we have faced very big challenges in the _ dad? we have faced very big challenges in the global- dad? we have faced very big - challenges in the global economy but i do believe in a society where you have a safety net, and over the last couple of years we have given every family in the country an average of

three point £5,000 to help them with their fuel three point £5,000 to help them with theirfuel bills. i’m three point £5,000 to help them with their fuel bills.— their fuel bills. i'm asking about their fuel bills. i'm asking about the big picture _ their fuel bills. i'm asking about the big picture where _ their fuel bills. i'm asking about the big picture where in - their fuel bills. i'm asking about the big picture where in the - their fuel bills. i'm asking about the big picture where in the lastj the big picture where in the last decade or so it has become significantly more difficult for young people to buy a home and wages have grown more slowly than wealth, so essentially they haves are having an easier time than they have nots. that's where i'm disagreeing because we have been giving help to people who are struggling, and young people want to see we have exciting plans to grow the economy. let me tell you something else that has happened in the last decade, we have built the third—largest technology economy in the world only america and china, the world only america and china, the largest life science industry in europe that developed one of the two big covid vaccines. europe's largest film and tv industry. so in terms of areas that will create jobs for young people, give them a really exciting future, we have made tremendous progress on top of which when it comes to things like climate

change, which young people care passionately about, we have reduced our emissions by more than any other advanced economy and become a global leader in green industries in clean energy like offshore wind. so we have made a lot of progress, there have made a lot of progress, there have been headwinds, but i don't pretend as a chancellor that we haven't had to do difficult things in the period until the pandemic we reduced the deficit by 80%. but that was why we could afford the £400 billion fellow scheme that meant that even after the pandemic we have kept unemployment at historically low levels. let kept unemployment at historically low levels. . , ,, kept unemployment at historically low levels. . ,~' ., low levels. let me ask in a practical — low levels. let me ask in a practical sense _ low levels. let me ask in a practical sense because i low levels. let me ask in a| practical sense because this low levels. let me ask in a . practical sense because this is low levels. let me ask in a - practical sense because this is what it means for members of the public, we had an e—mailfrom one of our viewers who has asked us to ask you, what should i say to our hard—working graduates on? he has to live in london for hisjob, he will never be able to afford to buy a home unless i buy it for him. if i

do, how will i be able to afford nursing home fees when i need them? there is no easy fix if we want to create opportunities for people like this then we have to create the best jobs. we have a record low youth unemployment. there are morejobs for young people than we have ever had before. we have to do what it takes to bring down the cost of housing, that's why we have one of our most capable ministers on the case, michael gove, and we have to show to young people that having weathered these difficult storms, having grown better than many other major countries, we have a plan for the future. 0n major countries, we have a plan for the future. on wednesday i will talk about how we will overcome problems so we can give hope for the future to young people, which is what a conservative government is all about. ., . ,, . . about. you will talk about child care and we've _ about. you will talk about child care and we've had _ about. you will talk about child care and we've had lots - about. you will talk about child care and we've had lots of - about. you will talk about child - care and we've had lots of e-mails. care and we've had lots of e—mails. hannah from oxfordshire says her partner has paid £20,000 a year, once they have paid for child care they have £100 left over from that

salary. the family don't get universal credit so how will you help her this week? i universal credit so how will you help her this week?— universal credit so how will you help her this week? i believe in the virtue of work _ help her this week? i believe in the virtue of work and _ help her this week? i believe in the virtue of work and we _ help her this week? i believe in the virtue of work and we have - help her this week? i believe in the virtue of work and we have more i help her this week? i believe in the i virtue of work and we have more than a million vacancies across the economy at the moment, and the brexit decision was a choice not to fill those vacancies with unlimited migration which i think is the right choice. 0n migration which i think is the right choice. on wednesday you will hear me put together a very comprehensive package of measures to break down the barriers to work. childcare is one of them and i particularly want to look at the barriers facing the 700,000 parents on low pay, on universal credit who are not able to work even though they have a young child. .. , ~ , . , child. exactly like this family, the are child. exactly like this family, they are rrot _ child. exactly like this family, they are not on _ child. exactly like this family, they are not on universal- child. exactly like this family, i they are not on universal credit. will you help them, i do only those on universal credit? trite will you help them, i do only those on universal credit?— on universal credit? we would like to help everyone. _ on universal credit? we would like to help everyone. it's _ on universal credit? we would like to help everyone. it's expensive i on universal credit? we would like to help everyone. it's expensive toj to help everyone. it's expensive to do it, you can't always do everything at once, but we can make a big difference on childcare. for

example by paying people's help for childcare if you are on benefit upfront rather than in arrears. there lots we can do but it isn't just parents by the way, it's also older people wondering whether they should retire early, its people looking for work. we have 1.5 million of those. we could feel every vacancy just from that group. thenifs every vacancy just from that group. then it's also the long—term sick and disabled, more than 2 million people. we should not be a society that forgets those people. they have an enormous contribution to make with the potential to work from home, with zoom and teams and the way you can do jobs without leaving your house. we can revolutionise the opportunities for a group of people who have a real contribution to make. 50 who have a real contribution to make. , . . ,, ., make. so it will be a get back to work budget _ make. so it will be a get back to work budget that _ make. so it will be a get back to work budget that you _ make. so it will be a get back to work budget that you will - make. so it will be a get back to work budget that you will be i make. so it will be a get back to i work budget that you will be saying on wednesday, but what also other people want in your party, and as we have just heard from your colleague simon clarke, they think cutting tax

would be the best way to go, and what some conservative mps think your refusal to do so now makes things worse so when will you cut taxes? i agree with simon, i want a low tax economy, one of the things i'm most proud of in the last decade is that for the first time in history, anyone in this country can earn £1000 per month and not pay a penny of tax or national insurance. ianthem of tax or national insurance. when are ou of tax or national insurance. when are you going _ of tax or national insurance. when are you going to — of tax or national insurance. when are you going to cut _ of tax or national insurance. when are you going to cut taxes? - of tax or national insurance. when are you going to cut taxes? they l of tax or national insurance. when are you going to cut taxes? they are at record levels now. ibis i are you going to cut taxes? they are at record levels now.— at record levels now. as i say, we have not at record levels now. as i say, we have got personal _ at record levels now. as i say, we have got personal taxes. - at record levels now. as i say, we have got personal taxes. in i at record levels now. as i say, we have got personal taxes. in the i have got personal taxes. in the autumn statement, i cut business rates by an average of 10% for every business. conservatives cut taxes when they can. but we also have to be responsible with public finances. it is very important that we remember that businesses need stability and that means they need to know that we are being careful with the public finances, we are not going to run out of money, as happened under a previous labour government, but in the bounds of what is responsible, we will always look to reduce the tax burden. ids, tip

look to reduce the tax burden. a tip auoin into look to reduce the tax burden. a tip going into the _ look to reduce the tax burden. a tip going into the autumn, _ look to reduce the tax burden. a tip going into the autumn, but not this week?? i going into the autumn, but not this week?? ~ going into the autumn, but not this week?? ,, , ., , ., week?? i think you will see me doing eve hint week?? i think you will see me doing everything we — week?? i think you will see me doing everything we can _ week?? i think you will see me doing everything we can within _ week?? i think you will see me doing everything we can within the - week?? i think you will see me doing everything we can within the boundsl everything we can within the bounds of responsibility. fiiq but i think of responsibility. ok. but i think ou will of responsibility. ok. but i think you will also see some hope for the future because i think we have fantastic opportunities in this country. there is a hard road to follow to get there. but we really can be one of the most prosperous countries in europe, if not the world. ., , . ., , . world. one of the sectors you have mentioned — world. one of the sectors you have mentioned is _ world. one of the sectors you have mentioned is providing _ world. one of the sectors you have mentioned is providing huge - mentioned is providing huge opportunity potentially, tech and science but in that sector right now, there is a lot of concern over the collapse of a bank in america, the collapse of a bank in america, the silicon valley bank which funds a lot of tech companies. we know the treasury and the bank of england, you have said publicly already, that he will help find a way through the situation but will you guarantee 100% of the deposits of the companies who stand to lose millions? . companies who stand to lose millions?— companies who stand to lose millions? , . ., millions? the first thing i want to sa is that millions? the first thing i want to say is that the — millions? the first thing i want to say is that the governor - millions? the first thing i want to say is that the governor of - millions? the first thing i want to say is that the governor of the i millions? the first thing i want to i say is that the governor of the bank of england has said that there is not a systemic risk to the financial

system. people should be reassured by that. there is a serious risk to some of our most promising companies in technology and life sciences. the prime minister, myself and the governor of the bank of england were up governor of the bank of england were up late last night, we have been working through the weekend to come up working through the weekend to come up with a solution. we want to find a way that minimises or if we possibly can avoids all losses to those incredibly promising companies. what we will do is bring forward very quickly a plan to make sure that they can make their operational cash flow requirements —— can meet there. but operational cash flow requirements -- can meet there.— -- can meet there. but will you guarantee _ -- can meet there. but will you guarantee their _ -- can meet there. but will you guarantee their deposits - -- can meet there. but will you| guarantee their deposits 10096? -- can meet there. but will you i guarantee their deposits 10096? you will have to guarantee their deposits 100%? gm, will have to wait to see the whole plan but what we will do is bring forward a plan to make sure they can pay staff, that is a big ask we have had. . , ,., , . pay staff, that is a big ask we have had. . , , . ., pay staff, that is a big ask we have had. �* , , ., ., ~' pay staff, that is a big ask we have had. �* , , ., ., 4' ., had. absolutely, and i would like to read to you — had. absolutely, and i would like to read to you and _ had. absolutely, and i would like to read to you and share _ had. absolutely, and i would like to read to you and share with - had. absolutely, and i would like to read to you and share with the i read to you and share with the viewers what one source involved in the discussions told me this morning, they said, "it all feels like it could be pretty terminalfor uk tech. the prime minister is going big guns about creating a great

place for innovation but this monday, at least 200 firms employing thousands of people will find they can't pay their staff or suppliers because the bank they had an account with has gone bust. 0ur investors estimate 30—40% of uk start—ups could be affected". i know the bank of england governor says that is not a systemic risk but that is a very real situation for those businesses and those workers. so i ask again, will you guarantee 100 —— 100% of their deposits? you will you guarantee 100 -- 10096 of their deposits?— their deposits? you will have to wait and hear _ their deposits? you will have to wait and hear what _ their deposits? you will have to wait and hear what the - their deposits? you will have to wait and hear what the solution | their deposits? you will have to l wait and hear what the solution is but the risk is precisely why the prime minister and i have been working at pace over the weekend to make sure we have a solution. these are very important companies to the uk uprightand are very important companies to the uk upright and will the plan come tomorrow morning? very important and part of ourfuture. tomorrow morning? very important and part of our future. what i can say now is because we are still working through the different solutions is that we will have a plan that deals with their operational cash flow needs in the next few days because we recognise that is important. but

we recognise that is important. but we need to find longer term solution because although this is a bank most people won't have heard of, it happens to be one that is used by some of our most important company. let's talk on this, you knew this was going to come, about gary lineker and the bbc, a big bust up between the bbc and one of its highest—paid stars but it is also a viewer or with some conservative mps, something that has got them riled. in your view, should gary lineker be presenting match of the day tonight?_ lineker be presenting match of the day tonight?— day tonight? well, i don't think it is for me to _ day tonight? well, i don't think it is for me to say _ day tonight? well, i don't think it is for me to say and _ day tonight? well, i don't think it is for me to say and let _ day tonight? well, i don't think it is for me to say and let me - day tonight? well, i don't think it is for me to say and let me tell. day tonight? well, i don't think it i is for me to say and let me tell you why, because what matters and i think what has come out of this, is the reason that we love the bbc, it is an incredibly important national institution, is because it is trusted for its independence and its impartiality. i have got absolutely no idea which political party you voted for at the last election and thatis voted for at the last election and that is right. and what needs to happen as a result of notjust the discussions about gary lineker but

also about the chairman of the bbc, following the independent investigation that is now happening, is that we need to make sure we maintain that trust in the independence and the impartiality of the bbc. i am one of the people that the bbc. i am one of the people that the bbc. i am one of the people that the bbc scrutinises on behalf of the public so it obviously is not for me to say how the bbc does that. but it is very important it does. but to say how the bbc does that. but it is very important it does.— is very important it does. but do ou think is very important it does. but do you think that _ is very important it does. but do you think that this _ is very important it does. but do you think that this row _ is very important it does. but do you think that this row about i is very important it does. but do | you think that this row about gary lineker and i know there are, you mentioned richard sharp, the chairman of the bbc�*s links to the conservative party, do you believe those two things have called into question the impartiality of the bbc? ~ ., �* ., ., bbc? well, i don't want to say an hint bbc? well, i don't want to say anything other— bbc? well, i don't want to say anything other than _ bbc? well, i don't want to say anything other than making i bbc? well, i don't want to say l anything other than making sure bbc? well, i don't want to say - anything other than making sure that the bbc maintains its reputation for independence and impartiality is the outcome that matters most. i can disagree with gary lineker on small boats, as i do profoundly, but what really matters in all of this is that when you are interviewing me, people know that you are doing it on behalf of the public and not with a

political motive, by the way, which i don't think you have at all but thatis i don't think you have at all but that is the thing which needs to be protected. but that is the thing which needs to be rotected. �* . ., , that is the thing which needs to be rotected. �* .., , ., , protected. but when it comes to gary lineker, protected. but when it comes to gary lineker. though. _ protected. but when it comes to gary lineker, though, some _ protected. but when it comes to gary lineker, though, some of— protected. but when it comes to gary lineker, though, some of your - lineker, though, some of your colleagues get so exercised by what is essentially a sports presenter who is not saying what he said on air, so why does it matter so much the people? trite air, so why does it matter so much the people?— the people? we are a robust democracy — the people? we are a robust democracy and _ the people? we are a robust democracy and if _ the people? we are a robust democracy and if someone l the people? we are a robust i democracy and if someone says something you disagree with, mp5 do what they can't do in russia or china, they speak up and say they disagree with what the person has said. but what matters behind this is something much more important, which is the way one of our most important national institutions works and i think that is what we need to protect.— works and i think that is what we need to protect. briefly, i want to ask ou a need to protect. briefly, i want to ask you a different _ need to protect. briefly, i want to ask you a different aspect - need to protect. briefly, i want to ask you a different aspect of i need to protect. briefly, i want to ask you a different aspect of thisl ask you a different aspect of this affair, this has been a conversation that began around the government's plans for immigration and asylum seekers. some of your colleagues are concerned that under this legislation, children might be detained. that was banned under david cameron and the coalition

government that you are part of. does the bandstand or could children be detained under this new legislation?— be detained under this new leaislation? ~ ., ., ~ legislation? well, we are making secial legislation? well, we are making special arrangements _ legislation? well, we are making special arrangements for - legislation? well, we are making| special arrangements for children legislation? well, we are making i special arrangements for children as the home secretary outlined. i want to make this point, laura, i am incredibly proud that under a conservative government, we have had hundreds of thousands of families opening their doors to ukrainians. we have given a bigger welcome to people from hong kong than nearly anywhere in the world, as well as doing an enormous amount for people from afghanistan and syria. find from afghanistan and syria. and merry peeple — from afghanistan and syria. and merry people are very welcoming but... , , . , ., ., but... the public consent for legal mi . ration but... the public consent for legal migration depends _ but... the public consent for legal migration depends on _ but... the public consent for legal migration depends on dealing - but... the public consent for legal| migration depends on dealing with the unfairness of illegal migration and that is why i think it is so important that we tackle this issue head on. but important that we tackle this issue head on. �* , ., important that we tackle this issue head on. �* y., ., important that we tackle this issue head on. �* ., , head on. but you said there would be secial head on. but you said there would be special arrangements _ head on. but you said there would be special arrangements for _ head on. but you said there would be special arrangements for children, i special arrangements for children, does that mean you are ruling out a return to detaining refugee children? are you rolling that out? the home secretary has made clear that we are going to treat children differently under these arrangements

and you will have to talk to her about precisely how that happens. thank you forjoining us. i know it is a busy weekend with the banking situation and the budget on wednesday. thank you for being here. pressure on the purse strings, and politically too — not least from his rival, rachel reeves — labour's shadow chancellor. one of the closest allies of keir starmer, she's been painstakingly trying to build the party's credibility, and reset labour's relationship with business. we've heard too she's become rather well known in the city. she has been making lots of contacts and working very hard. she's here. good morning. good morning. let's start with the _ good morning. good morning. let's start with the bbc _ good morning. good morning. let's start with the bbc and _ good morning. good morning. let's start with the bbc and then - good morning. good morning. let's start with the bbc and then we - good morning. good morning. let's start with the bbc and then we will| start with the bbc and then we will talk about the budget at length, your leader has said the bbc has not acted impartially but the other day, yvette cooper, the shadow home secretary, said gary lineker�*s comments were wrong. it is not very credible to have changed your mind like that, is it?— like that, is it? whether you agree with gary lineker's _

like that, is it? whether you agree with gary lineker's tweets - like that, is it? whether you agree with gary lineker's tweets or- like that, is it? whether you agree with gary lineker's tweets or not, | with gary lineker's tweets or not, and i wouldn't have used that language, i think that it is perfectly reasonable that he can present the football commentary on the bbc on the weekend. last time i came on this programme, we also started with the bbc. on the 22nd of january, i was sitting in this chair when the revelations came out about richard sharp. richard sharp, the chairman of the bbc, donated £400,000 to the chairman of the bbc, donated £1i00,000 to the conservative party, helped facilitate an £800,000 loan to the former prime minister, boris johnson. he is still in hisjob. gary lineker isn't able to present the football commentary. i think there is a sense of proportionality here. the tories have obviously put a huge amount of pressure on the government to get rid of gary lineker, and i don't remember those same tory mps crying about impartiality when those revelations about richard sharp came out. richard sharp has said publicly that he didn't do anything wrong and

there was an investigation going on into that but do you think that the bbc and the director—general, tim davie's reputation has been damaged by how this has been handled? ihell. by how this has been handled? well, the bbc have — by how this has been handled? well, the bbc have clearly _ by how this has been handled? well, the bbc have clearly come _ by how this has been handled? -ii the bbc have clearly come under immense pressure from the conservative party to take gary lineker of the air. [30 conservative party to take gary lineker of the air.— conservative party to take gary lineker of the air. do you know that be ond lineker of the air. do you know that beyond what _ lineker of the air. do you know that beyond what backbenchers - lineker of the air. do you know that beyond what backbenchers have - lineker of the air. do you know that l beyond what backbenchers have said publicly? just beyond what backbenchers have said ublicl ?, , ., ., ~ beyond what backbenchers have said ublicl 7, , ., , publicly? just look at the letters and tweets. _ publicly? just look at the letters and tweets, tory _ publicly? just look at the letters and tweets, tory mps _ publicly? just look at the letters and tweets, tory mps are - publicly? just look at the letters | and tweets, tory mps are talking more about gary lineker than they are about the cost of living crisis, 7 million people waiting for nhs treatment the crisis in terms of securing our borders and treating refugees with dignity, they are talking more about gary lineker than any of those things that matter on a daily basis for our constituents. under huge pressure, i think it is a shame that the bbc has bowed to that pressure and i would urge the bbc to reconsider this decision because i think it has now gone totally out of proportion. {lila think it has now gone totally out of ro ortion. �* , think it has now gone totally out of --roortion. �*, , ., proportion. ok, let's see what

ha--ens proportion. ok, let's see what happens in — proportion. ok, let's see what happens in the _ proportion. ok, let's see what happens in the next _ proportion. ok, let's see what happens in the next couple . proportion. ok, let's see what happens in the next couple of| proportion. ok, let's see what - happens in the next couple of days. let's talk about things that are important to our viewers and your constituents and what is happening in the economy. you have said this weekend that you would like labour to follow something ofjoe biden's example, the american president who has put in billions and billions of dollars into the economy. you want to put more than £28 billion in per year to support the economy going green. can you explain what the money would be for and how you would spend it? money would be for and how you would send it? , . ., , ., spend it? there is clearly a huge imperative _ spend it? there is clearly a huge imperative to — spend it? there is clearly a huge imperative to get _ spend it? there is clearly a huge imperative to get our— spend it? there is clearly a huge imperative to get our economy l imperative to get our economy growing. you set that out earlier in the programme. i see around the country when i visit businesses in all parts of the uk huge potential and huge ambition but it is obvious in the growth, the investment, the productivity numbers, that the potential is not being realised today. and so i do take inspiration from what president biden is doing in the us. he is turning the rust belt into an electric vehicle belt,

creating good manufacturing jobs in former industrialised heartlands, and getting businesses to invest in the us. i want to see some of that action here in the uk. at the moment, it feels like we are in the changing room and other countries are in the global race and we are going to miss out on that investment in carbon capture and storage, floating offshore wind, green steel, green hydrogen. some country in the world is going to be the global leader injobs for the world is going to be the global leader in jobs for the future, why not britain? we have so much going for us, apart from a government that is prioritising these investments to bite you are talking about £28 billion per year which if you tarted up billion per year which if you tarted up over the lifetime of a parliament. it up over the lifetime of a parliament.— up over the lifetime of a parliament. , ., ' :: , ., parliament. it is about £140 billion and to a lot _ parliament. it is about £140 billion and to a lot of _ parliament. it is about £140 billion and to a lot of viewers _ parliament. it is about £140 billion and to a lot of viewers this - and to a lot of viewers this morning, that might sound like not just a lot of money but a scary amount of state intervention. you know, that would be a big change in the economy. should vital or if you are sitting on number 11 downing st,

should we really be try to pick winners in industry like that? the oint is winners in industry like that? the point is that _ winners in industry like that? tue: point is that other winners in industry like that? tta point is that other countries, winners in industry like that? ttas point is that other countries, the us, australia, the european economies, in asia as well, are taking a punt on these jobs and industries of the future. and the real risk here, laura, is that in ten years' time, we are going to be importing electric vehicles because we failed to produce the batteries here, we are going to be importing steel because we failed to turn our steel because we failed to turn our steel industry to green steel, we are going to be importing hydrogen and electricity because we failed at this moment to seize those opportunities. so the question is, what happens if we don't do this? the big risk is that we let other countries steal a march on us here in britain and miss out on those opportunities and see those low growth numbers become embedded. let mejust give you growth numbers become embedded. let me just give you one statistic. if we carry on on the route that we are going at the moment with our growth

rates, the average family in poland is going to be better off than the average family in britain by 2030. i am determined that that is not the case. but it does require action and it does require some urgency. but some economists, and i know you were an economist by trade at the bank of and before you were a politician, some economist and politician say, look at what has happened in the us and that kind of intervention and they go, hang on a minute, it will take us back to some kind of era of protectionism, when governments were looking after their own and this could somehow lead to the end of proper free could somehow lead to the end of properfree trade? who will look after ourjobs and industries if it's not the british government? i know that grant shapps said what the us is doing is dangerous, what is dangerous is sitting on our hands whilst other countries are acting. and i am determined that for britain we take advantage of our opportunities, our industrial heritage, our geography and great universities. we have

every chance of succeeding but not on the path we are on at the moment. there is tension here though because many times we have discussed your plans for the economy and you have been at pains to say if you were a chancellor you would watch every single penny very carefully. there would be no huge opening of the cheque book willy—nilly. you have an ironclad fist i think he once said on the public finances. yet here you are putting forward a plan for tens and tens and tens of billions of pounds of subsidy. doesn't that pull in the opposite direction? people might be confused. t in the opposite direction? people might be confused.— in the opposite direction? people might be confused. i have set out a set of fiscal— might be confused. i have set out a set of fiscal rules _ might be confused. i have set out a set of fiscal rules that _ might be confused. i have set out a set of fiscal rules that an _ might be confused. i have set out a set of fiscal rules that an incoming | set of fiscal rules that an incoming labour government would abide by. we would get a grip of day—to—day spending, bring debt down as a share of our national economy, and then subjected that invest in these huge opportunities. and we would make these investments our priority. it is why it is so to get a grip of the

day to day spending, especially some of the wasteful spending we have seen from this government, because if we do that we will have the money for these investments. these investments would not be crowding out business investment, it would be investing alongside business to get these industries off the ground. the office for budget responsibility monitor the public finances and have said that if we delay by a decade of the action is needed to get to net zero, it doubles the cost. so a responsible chancellor needs to know when to say no, and i am absolutely fine to say no to spending requests, but they also need to know when to invest prudently alongside business to take advantage of opportunities so that we can get out of this low growth, low productivity, low investment spiral that under the tories britain is in. tn investment spiral that under the tories britain is in.— tories britain is in. in terms of how these _ tories britain is in. in terms of how these subsidies _ tories britain is in. in terms of how these subsidies would - tories britain is in. in terms of i how these subsidies would work, tories britain is in. in terms of - how these subsidies would work, i think people will be wondering, are you talking about the government employing people? the government

spending money on building things? how would the scale of subsidy work? it's about investing alongside business. ~ ., it's about investing alongside business. ., ., , it's about investing alongside business. ., ., ., business. what does that mean in ractical business. what does that mean in practical terms? _ business. what does that mean in practical terms? if— business. what does that mean in practical terms? if you _ business. what does that mean in practical terms? if you take - business. what does that mean in | practical terms? if you take carbon ca ture practical terms? if you take carbon capture and _ practical terms? if you take carbon capture and storage, _ practical terms? if you take carbon capture and storage, companies i practical terms? if you take carbon l capture and storage, companies like drax want to invest but you need government to invest alongside business to create that capacity for storing the carbon in the north sea. if you take hydrogen, it is a new technology, green hydrogen is a new technology. no country is doing this at scale. you need a partnership between universities, government and business to get it off the ground. i'm being guided by what businesses are telling me about the opportunities, but also that this requires a partnership approach, so it's about governments, like other governments are doing around the world, investing alongside business to see some of these opportunities.

under our plans for a national wealth fund, which is something 70 countries around the world have from norway to singapore and france, to invest as part of the national wealth fund in those gigafactories, in green steel and green hydrogen, in green steel and green hydrogen, in renewable ready ports with business, alongside business, because that's what they are crying out for right now. fits because that's what they are crying out for right now.— because that's what they are crying out for right now. as talk about one business having _ out for right now. as talk about one business having a _ out for right now. as talk about one business having a huge _ out for right now. as talk about one business having a huge effect - out for right now. as talk about one business having a huge effect on i business having a huge effect on having gone under, the silicon valley bank. there are many firms in this country, it is not a bank we will all have heard of but there are a lot of tech firms in particular who are worried now about what will happen when they open tomorrow morning. would you push for the government to guarantee 100% of the money that those firms have with that bank? , ., ., , ., that bank? first of all i understand why businesses _ that bank? first of all i understand why businesses are _ that bank? first of all i understand why businesses are so _ that bank? first of all i understand why businesses are so concerned. | that bank? first of all i understand | why businesses are so concerned. i did a piece of work last year on how to make britain the best place to start and grow a business and one of the things we said in that report is

that the capital is too often available in the us and not in the uk. this is a wake—up call that we have been overreliant for that foreign capital for investment in british start—ups. 50 foreign capital for investment in british start-ups.— british start-ups. so would you guarantee _ british start-ups. so would you guarantee the _ british start-ups. so would you guarantee the cash _ british start-ups. so would you guarantee the cash for- british start-ups. so would you guarantee the cash for those i british start-ups. so would you - guarantee the cash for those firms? we need to understand the full exposure of british businesses, but when the chancellor said a moment to go to you that we will find out in the next few days what the government's intentions are, that really worries me and will worry start up businesses because tomorrow morning they are going to have calls on them, whether that is wages, whether it is suppliers, whether it is their share prices or their investors saying we no longer have confidence. we need tomorrow morning to hearfrom confidence. we need tomorrow morning to hear from the government how they will protect... whether that is guaranteed, whether it is working with the us government on a rescue force —— four silicon valley bank. but we cannot let the british

start—up community pay the price for this bank failure because it will be the british economy then that pays the british economy then that pays the price. t the british economy then that pays the rice. , ., ., . the price. i 'ust want to close with some the price. ijust want to close with some quickfire — the price. ijust want to close with some quickfire questions - the price. ijust want to close with some quickfire questions from - the price. ijust want to close with j some quickfire questions from our viewers. keith wants to know, what the labour party commit to keeping the labour party commit to keeping the triple lock forever? that's the guarantee for future state pensions. we have made a commitment to stick with the triple lock.— with the triple lock. would you commit to _ with the triple lock. would you commit to wages _ with the triple lock. would you commit to wages going - with the triple lock. would you commit to wages going up - with the triple lock. would you commit to wages going up in l with the triple lock. would you i commit to wages going up in real terms if you win the election? would the wages be higher at the end of five years if labour wins an election?— five years if labour wins an election? ., , ., , ., ., election? you showed statistics that after 13 election? you showed statistics that after13 years _ election? you showed statistics that after 13 years wages _ election? you showed statistics that after 13 years wages are _ election? you showed statistics that after 13 years wages are lower - election? you showed statistics that after 13 years wages are lower now. | after 13 years wages are lower now. our plans for hire sustained growth are absolutely about giving that investment and productivity to ensure people's living standards are higher. that is our ambition. ihtnd higher. that is our ambition. and what ou higher. that is our ambition. and what you promise _ higher. that is our ambition. and what you promise more people would own their home by the end of parliament? we own their home by the end of parliament?— parliament? we have made a commitment _ parliament? we have made a commitment to _ parliament? we have made a commitment to increasing . parliament? we have made a i

commitment to increasing home ownership, and that includes building more homes. the number of homes built next year is likely to be the lowest in 70 years and we want to bring back those planning targets so young people can have their hope and future back with a chance of home ownership. rachel reeves, chance of home ownership. rachel reeves. it's _ chance of home ownership. rachel reeves, it's always _ chance of home ownership. rachel reeves, it's always great - chance of home ownership. rachel reeves, it's always great to - chance of home ownership. rachel reeves, it's always great to have l reeves, it's always great to have you in the studio. it's a busy week but thank you for coming in and answering questions on a range of issues. before we see what the panel reckon, we love hearing what you think. keep your emails coming. maybe you have a question for them too or a verdict on what the chancellor and his shadow had to say, as ever, you can email us at kuenssberg.bb.co.uk, or it's hashtag bbclaurak on twitter. you are not getting your tax cuts any time soon, simon clarke. i think reducing our corporation tax rate rather than raising it would be the right thing to do. we saw astrazeneca to choose the republic of ireland over... astrazeneca to choose the republic of ireland over. . .— astrazeneca to choose the republic. of ireland over. . ._ if of ireland over... what happened? if ou look

of ireland over... what happened? if you look at — of ireland over... what happened? if you look at the _ of ireland over... what happened? if you look at the results _ of ireland over... what happened? if you look at the results of _ of ireland over... what happened? if you look at the results of lowering i you look at the results of lowering corporation tax we got more revenue in. ~ , ., ., ., , in. we still would have the lowest in. we still would have the lowest in the g7 even _ in. we still would have the lowest in the g7 even with _ in. we still would have the lowest in the g7 even with an _ in. we still would have the lowest in the g7 even with an increase. l in the g7 even with an increase. we have seen in the g7 even with an increase. s have seen astrazeneca choose the republic over us. i don't want to see that. ., ., republic over us. i don't want to see that. . ., ., , republic over us. i don't want to see that. . . ., , ., ., republic over us. i don't want to see that. . . ., ., see that. nadia has a valid point, ou are see that. nadia has a valid point, you are part _ see that. nadia has a valid point, you are part of— see that. nadia has a valid point, you are part of liz _ see that. nadia has a valid point, you are part of liz truss's - you are part of liz truss's government and she promised tax cuts without saying how she would pay for them, and it was a meltdown. what jeremy hunt said is that he would love to give tax cuts but not if you can't pay for them. tt’s can't pay for them. it's important that ou can't pay for them. it's important that you do _ can't pay for them. it's important that you do show _ can't pay for them. it's important that you do show how— can't pay for them. it's important that you do show how you - can't pay for them. it's important that you do show how you will i can't pay for them. it's important| that you do show how you will pay for tax cuts. it's important you don't underestimate the dynamic effect of lower taxes, that is to say they stimulate growth, and you cannot underestimate that side of it. we also have extremely high taxes and that's why we have the extremely low growth.— extremely low growth. under liz truss's government... _

extremely low growth. under liz truss's government... income i extremely low growth. under liz l truss's government... income tax extremely low growth. under liz i truss's government... income tax is aid as a truss's government... income tax is paid as a proportion _ truss's government... income tax is paid as a proportion by _ truss's government... income tax is paid as a proportion by the - truss's government... income tax is paid as a proportion by the top i truss's government... income tax is paid as a proportion by the top 1% i paid as a proportion by the top i% who are higher today than they were under gordon brown.— under gordon brown. there are things that ou under gordon brown. there are things that you can — under gordon brown. there are things that you can do _ under gordon brown. there are things that you can do like _ under gordon brown. there are things that you can do like increasing - that you can do like increasing capital— that you can do like increasing capital gains tax and income tax which _ capital gains tax and income tax which would generate over 15 billion, — which would generate over 15 billion, a _ which would generate over 15 billion, a tax on assets over 20 billion — billion, a tax on assets over 20 billion. , ., billion. these would deter investments _ billion. these would deter investments in _ billion. these would deter investments in enterprise| billion. these would deter. investments in enterprise but billion. these would deter- investments in enterprise but we need to focus on things that are holding us back. we need to take on the nimbys and address serious planning reform. iwelcome the nimbys and address serious planning reform. i welcome what the chancellor said about child care and i think that's an important step forward because we all agree childcare in this country is too expensive. paying universal credit recipients in advance rather than arrears would be a good step forward. , ., ., ., . forward. peter, you are now an executive _ forward. peter, you are now an executive at — forward. peter, you are now an executive at a _ forward. peter, you are now an executive at a big _ forward. peter, you are now an executive at a big creative i forward. peter, you are now an i executive at a big creative media company. what do you think of what we are hearing from our politicians? is the uk a good place to do

business? t is the uk a good place to do business?— is the uk a good place to do business? ~' ., ~' is the uk a good place to do business? ~' ., ~ ., business? i think we would like to see a more _ business? i think we would like to see a more caring, _ business? i think we would like to see a more caring, fairer, - business? i think we would like to see a more caring, fairer, better i see a more caring, fairer, better shared _ see a more caring, fairer, better shared out — see a more caring, fairer, better shared out use _ see a more caring, fairer, better shared out use of— see a more caring, fairer, better shared out use of resources i see a more caring, fairer, better shared out use of resources and| shared out use of resources and investment— shared out use of resources and investment in— shared out use of resources and investment in the _ shared out use of resources and investment in the uk _ shared out use of resources and investment in the uk so- shared out use of resources and investment in the uk so our- investment in the uk so our workforce _ investment in the uk so our workforce can _ investment in the uk so our workforce can work - investment in the uk so our workforce can work well i investment in the uk so our| workforce can work well and investment in the uk so our- workforce can work well and work from _ workforce can work well and work from anywhere _ workforce can work well and work from anywhere in _ workforce can work well and work from anywhere in the _ workforce can work well and work from anywhere in the uk - workforce can work well and work from anywhere in the uk they. from anywhere in the uk they possibly— from anywhere in the uk they possibly can _ from anywhere in the uk they possibly can. there _ from anywhere in the uk they possibly can. there is - from anywhere in the uk they possibly can. there is an i from anywhere in the uk they| possibly can. there is an irony from anywhere in the uk they- possibly can. there is an irony that gary— possibly can. there is an irony that gary is _ possibly can. there is an irony that gary is not — possibly can. there is an irony that gary is not presenting _ possibly can. there is an irony that gary is not presenting from - possibly can. there is an irony thatj gary is not presenting from salford today _ gary is not presenting from salford today we — gary is not presenting from salford today. we moved _ gary is not presenting from salford today. we moved half— gary is not presenting from salford today. we moved half the - gary is not presenting from salfordl today. we moved half the workforce of the _ today. we moved half the workforce of the bbc_ today. we moved half the workforce of the bbc across _ today. we moved half the workforce of the bbc across the _ today. we moved half the workforce of the bbc across the uk. _ of the bbc across the uk. investment, _ of the bbc across the uk. investment, jobs, - of the bbc across the uk. i investment, jobs, economy. of the bbc across the uk. - investment, jobs, economy. i'm of the bbc across the uk. _ investment, jobs, economy. i'm not sure we_ investment, jobs, economy. i'm not sure we would — investment, jobs, economy. i'm not sure we would do— investment, jobs, economy. i'm not sure we would do that _ investment, jobs, economy. i'm not sure we would do that now. - investment, jobs, economy. i'm not sure we would do that now. with i investment, jobs, economy. i'm not| sure we would do that now. with the chaos _ sure we would do that now. with the chaos of— sure we would do that now. with the chaos of the — sure we would do that now. with the chaos of the transport _ sure we would do that now. with the chaos of the transport system - sure we would do that now. with the chaos of the transport system and i chaos of the transport system and infrastructure. _ chaos of the transport system and infrastructure. with _ chaos of the transport system and infrastructure. with the _ chaos of the transport system and infrastructure. with the chaos i infrastructure. with the chaos around — infrastructure. with the chaos around hsz— infrastructure. with the chaos around h52 and _ infrastructure. with the chaos around h52 and capital- infrastructure. with the chaos i around h52 and capital projects, i think— around h52 and capital projects, i think it _ around h52 and capital projects, i think it has — around h52 and capital projects, i think it has hit — around h52 and capital projects, i think it has hit confidence - around h52 and capital projects, i think it has hit confidence and i around h52 and capital projects, i think it has hit confidence and we | think it has hit confidence and we need _ think it has hit confidence and we need that— think it has hit confidence and we need that back. _ think it has hit confidence and we need that back.— need that back. thank you very much for now. need that back. thank you very much for now- we — need that back. thank you very much for now. we have _ need that back. thank you very much for now. we have had _ need that back. thank you very much for now. we have had an _ need that back. thank you very much for now. we have had an e-mail- need that back. thank you very much for now. we have had an e-mail who | for now. we have had an e—mail who says surely the more important question is why so much of the licence fee goes to the salary for gary lineker. another e—mail says of

me and my boys would do the job for 10% of the fee! you know we never let you go without a bit of something to cheer. it's the oscars tonight. whoever wins, one of the most amazing stories is how one of the movies got to the screen. whe world war i novel all quiet on the western front was adapted by scottish screen writer, and champion triathlete lesley paterson, but it only made it as a film after more than 16 years of hard work. she cleaned up at the baftas and is heading again to the red carpet tonight. i talked to her from the gym in la, before her four—hour glam session for the awards. i asked her what it feels like to be at the oscars. completely nerve—racking, very surreal, yeah, i don't quite know what's happening. i think it's going to hit me when i start getting in amongst the red carpet and all that nonsense. this film has had astonishing success now, but it took 16 years to get here. tell us about your journey.

myself and my writing partner at the time, ian stokell, we auctioned the book 16 years ago, and it took us a couple of years to adapt of course because it's an incredibly difficult novel. and then we went on this crazy journey to try and get it off the ground with the producers and the finance and the actors, the whole kit and caboodle. and yes, here we are. and lesley, you read the book all quiet on the western front at school and it stayed with you for so many years, including during your successful career as a triathlete. so you know a thing or two about endurance, don't you? yes, and pain and suffering, that's for sure. i think it's one of those things thatjust stays in your soul. it's like that fire in the belly, and ultimately the triathlon training for me, itjust kind of stabilised me in many ways because it's arbitrary whether you get a film are not whether you get a film off the ground. at least in sport you say you're

going to run ten miles, you run ten miles and you tick that nice little box. so it was a very definitive thing for me to kind of wrestle around what was not happening in film. i hope to kind of lead by example and inspire people to keep going. and you won at the baftas. do you think you will win tonight? there's so much love for the film, maybe we could be the dark horse that runs away with it. so fingers, toes, everything crossed. if you do, we hope you don't get cut off like your speech at the baftas. you get 45 seconds, that's all, and there's three of us. so really, you can't say much before the old music starts playing. we'll see if i get even a sentence. and after all this success, what are you working on next? we have a great project, a psychological thriller set in the highlands of scotland in glencoe, so i can't wait to do my wee run over the mountain and get on set. i think that would be my perfect day. we also have a really amazing historical epic set in ghana in the 1900s, and i'm secretly hoping to get

idris elba on board, so we'll see if that pans out. his mother is from ghana so i think it would be the perfect fit. you never know, maybe he will be watching this morning. any tips for the oscars tonight? t will watching this morning. any tips for the oscars tonight?_ the oscars tonight? i will be crossin: the oscars tonight? i will be crossing everything - the oscars tonight? i will be crossing everything for i the oscars tonight? i will be crossing everything for my l the oscars tonight? i will be i crossing everything for my growth i would say pick a hype song before your speech, would say pick a hype song before yourspeech, i

childcare if you are on benefit upfront rather than in this is bbc news broadcasting in the uk and around the globe i'm annita mcveigh and these are the latest headlines... talks continue to try to resolve the dispute between the bbc and the football pundit, gary lineker — in a row over impartiality after the sports presenter criticised the government over its asylum bill. this has been a tough time for the bbc and we care about our audiences. we want to get an outcome for this and we are working very hard to get that done. i would like to see gary lineker return on air.

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