this is bbc news broadcasting to viewers in the uk and around the world. i'm kasia madera. the headlines... a russian fighterjet hits a us military surveillance drone, causing it to crash into the black sea. washington calls the incident "reckless". one of the russian aircraft struck the propeller, causing us forces to have to bring the down in

international waters. stock markets in europe and the us rebound after days of turmoil between police and supporters of the opposition leader, imran khan, as they try to arrest him at his home. we start in the us, where washington has summoned ambassador after a russian jet fighter collided with an american drone over the black sea. the us military�*s european command says the russian fighter plane struck the propeller of the unmanned us aircraft, causing it to crash. president biden has been briefed about the invasion of ukraine more than a year ago.

the bbc�*s gary o'donoghue is in washington, dc. lets bring you some details of this incident that have been revealed in the statement from we have just heard from pentagon press secretary and just the last few minutes. press secretary and “ust the last few want few minutes. at approximately 703 one of the russian aircraft - one of the russian aircraft struck the propeller of the m 29, causing us forces to have to bring the down in international waters. several times before the collision, su 27 stump fuel on and flew in front of the m2 nine and a reckless and unprofessional manner. this incident demonstrates a lack of competence in addition to being unsafe and unprofessional.— addition to being unsafe and unprofessional. that was the pentagon — unprofessional. that was the pentagon press _ unprofessional. that was the pentagon press secretary. i unprofessional. that was the | pentagon press secretary. he unprofessional. that was the - pentagon press secretary. he was speaking within the past few minutes. and for all of our viewers who arejoining us now in the uk, we will bring you some of the details of what was said. let's cross over to washington gary donahue joins us

live now. gary for our international viewers, we were watching that press conference, that briefing for our uk viewers. let'sjust bring conference, that briefing for our uk viewers. let's just bring them up to date with what we know about this incident, which the us are describing as reckless. so incident, which the us are describing as reckless. so what we know so far _ describing as reckless. so what we know so far is _ describing as reckless. so what we know so far is that _ describing as reckless. so what we know so far is that about _ describing as reckless. so what we know so far is that about six - know so far is that about six o'clock this morning uk time, to russian fighters came into contact with an american unmanned surveillance aircraft over what the americans they were international waters in the black sea. now these drones as they are sometimes called conduct effectively spying missions but americans insist it was over international water. what seems to his happen is that one of the russian planes collided or struck the drone, damaging its propeller. the americans had to then bring

their aircraft down into the sea. now, we have been learning some fascinating detail in the last few

minutes. it seems that this encounter between these two su 27, these pretty old russian planes, and there's drone, went out for about 30 or a0 minutes. the americans said that they flew in front of the drone, but they apparently dumped fuel on top of it as well, presumably to try and sort of disorient the drone, etc. before this collision took place on the drone had to be brought down. now as far as we know, but the pentagon has

said at the moment because there's been no contact with the russian military on theirs. we do know that the state department here in washington have summoned the ambassador an audience. that's a pretty stiff diplomatic measure. it might not sound like much, but that's what happens when countries have serious diplomatic problems with one another. we are learning more details. we are almost promised by the pentagon, perhaps some imagery of what happened in this collision over the black sea. they are going through the process of declassification, so we may get some stills, we may get some video of what actually happened later on. thank you so much gary for bringing us up to date. we really appreciate that. our colleague in washington giving us an update on what the pentagon press secretary was describing there, the us describing the russian pilots actions as unsafe. in the past half hour, russians defence ministry has said that its fighterjets did not come into contact with the us drone, claiming instead that it crashed into what it describes as sharp manoeuvring. christine pristina, managing director of think tank gave us her reaction to does this conflict lead to direct confrontation between the united states or between the nato country. and russia. much of it has the entire conflict of this war has been ukraine with nato weapons and russia on the other side. this takes it one step further. we thought we were in a similar position potentially last november when there was a russian what was thought to be a russian landing in poland on polish territory and killing two people. and so that turned out not to be the case and air defence systems, but there is a sense that there is a current list moment in which you could have direct confrontation, what would that mean. on the other hand, there have been direct confrontations but

between turkish, also a nato state and russian jets. so in 2015, turkey shot down a russian fighterjet that violated its airspace. there wasn't war between nato and russia over that. and it's very difficult in these situations to say, well, what will be the next step? what are the — what are the cool heads that prevail, what counts as potentially escalatory and what doesn't? and it's good that so many hours have passed and we are where we are, which means that — it's there is reason, there are consultations. there are still paths to conversation during this war. as we know as we started the programme, washington has summoned russians ambassador. we will have much more on this around 20 minutes' time it will be talking to michael clark. he's the formal head of the royal united services institute. in the us shares have rebounded from monday's sharp declines, following the shock collapse of two banks. investors have been reassured by president biden's promise to do "whatever it takes" to keep the us banking system safe. they're also now scaling

back their expectations for further us interest rates hikes after the latest inflation data showed signs of easing. consumer prices rose 6% in the 12 months to february, in line with expectations. that was down from 6.a% for the year to january. inflation, that's the rise in the price of goods and services, generally puts pressure on the us central bank, the federal reserve, to consider further rate hikes to cool prices. but the collapse of silicon valley bank, the biggest banking failure since the 2008 global financial crisis, has raised concerns about the fragility of financial markets. some analysts now expect the fed to slow or even pause rate hikes at their meeting next week. let's break down what happened in the us banking system and why the rest of the world is watching. here's our north america business correspondent samira hussain. one us bank collapse, then another. and now the american government has shut them both down.

and the world is asking, is this the start of another financial crisis? silicon valley bank is a bank that specialises in lending money to tech companies. now, all of their troubles started last week when the bank was trying to raise money and doing so fast. word got out. customers with money in the bank freaked and ran to go and try and take it all out. but with everybody doing the same thing at the same time, the bank ran out of cash. a tonne of tech companies use svb. roblox, roku and even etsy. the knock—on effect would have been huge if svb failed. and remember the last time a us bank failed, back in 2008? it sparked a financial crisis in the us and it turned into a global recession, and no one wants to see that happen again. so us regulators have

stepped in and said ok, whoever has cash at the bank, well, we're going to guarantee that you will have to it. problem solved, right? not so fast. share prices plummet. that's because a lot of investors are asking, is this bank safe? or is this one also on the verge of collapse? the international monetary fund says it's closely monitoring developments following the failures of svb and signature bank. it's deputy managing director gita gopinath has tweeted that the crisis does not appear to be sparking a global shock with the dollar immediately depreciating. she goes on to say "lower expected interest rates in the us are driving currency movements." to make sense of all this, we can speak to megan greene, global chief economist at kroll. welcome. so we have seen shares in regional us banks. recovering lost ground after severing those double—digit losses, as biden saying

whatever needed. are we over the worst now quest mac i whatever needed. are we over the worst now quest ma— whatever needed. are we over the worst now quest mac i think we are over the worst. _ worst now quest mac i think we are over the worst. i _ worst now quest mac i think we are over the worst. i think _ worst now quest mac i think we are over the worst. i think what - over the worst. i think what happened is it took about a day for regular people to really understand what the federal reserve, the treasury department and the fda sea had announced on sunday which was notjust had announced on sunday which was not just to backstop had announced on sunday which was notjust to backstop depositors but also they created a lending facility for banks at which banks could handle some of the long—term assets that they held, and they could hand them over at pars so they wouldn't have to get stuck in the situation sbb was then. it would've had to sell its assets off at a huge loss and that really worried everyone. it made people think that maybe sbb was insolvent. so that won't be happening again. i think itjust took a while for people to really understand what it been announced, and that's why bancshares tank yesterday and then rebounded today. i think the worst of this financial instability is behind us. has?

i think the worst of this financial instability is behind us. now higher interest rates _ instability is behind us. now higher interest rates were _ instability is behind us. now higher interest rates were partly - instability is behind us. now higher interest rates were partly to - instability is behind us. now higher interest rates were partly to blame| interest rates were partly to blame for silicon valley banks crisis. we have seen rates so levels, low levels are slow long. is this a problem with other banks? 50 i levels are slow long. is this a problem with other banks? so i think we'll see financial— problem with other banks? so i think we'll see financial instability - we'll see financial instability emerging across the globe over the course of this year. the uk is no stranger to that of course. use our spike last fall and the pension sector have a blow up. i think that's one example of these pockets

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ithink— cell, but i'm prepared for that. but i think they're determined this time i'm i think they're determined this time “it behind — i think they're determined this time i'm behind bars supple yellow why are you _ oi'i on the 14th, there was no reason for them _ on the 14th, there was no reason for them to— on the 14th, there was no reason for them to come to arrest me. the worry is... them to come to arrest me. the worry ism what— them to come to arrest me. the worry ism what i_ them to come to arrest me. the worry is... what i would want is rule of law _ is... what i would want is rule of law that— is... what i would want is rule of law. that means whoever breaks the law. that means whoever breaks the law should _ law. that means whoever breaks the law should be punished. whether it is someone in my party or someone against _ is someone in my party or someone against me — is someone in my party or someone against me or important, they should all be _ against me or important, they should all be subject to the law of the land~ — all be subject to the law of the land~ it— all be subject to the law of the land~ it is— all be subject to the law of the land. it is not the law of the land because i— land. it is not the law of the land because i had a productive veil into the teeth! — because i had a productive veil into the teeth! they came for his earlier, it's the law of the jungle. imrah—

earlier, it's the law of the jungle. imran khan— earlier, it's the law of the jungle. imran khan speaking to caroline davies. kate was the finance secretary and asked reagan, a former minister, will answer questions in an event hosted by the bbc. james, in a0 minutes, what are we expecting to hear from these three in their final hustings? i think you've guessed we have some technical difficulties with my colleague in edinburgh. we'rejust going to with my colleague in edinburgh. we're just going to tell you a little bit more about the three people who are vying to become the next first minister of scotland. those three candidates. can you hear

me, james? i hope you can hear me in edinburgh. ithink me, james? i hope you can hear me in edinburgh. i think that's a yes. so we are expecting this to take place, this final tv debate tonight. what can we expect given what we've seen already�*s can we expect given what we've seen alread '- , , can we expect given what we've seen alread '-y , , ., ,, can we expect given what we've seen alread '-y ,, can we expect given what we've seen alread '-y , , can we expect given what we've seen alread '-y ,, , already's yes, perhaps you can see that black curtain _ already's yes, perhaps you can see that black curtain behind _ already's yes, perhaps you can see that black curtain behind me. - already's yes, perhaps you can see l that black curtain behind me. behind that, the audiences being warmed up at the for this debate in about a0 minutes' time. it is going to be quite unique amongst the televised debates that there has been so far in this leadership contest of the scottish national party. it is in front of a live audience, which is notjust members of the snp but also ordinary members of the public, and they will be able to put questions directly to the three candidates ucf who is the health secretary in scotland, kate forbes, the finance secretariat asked reagan who is a former minister in the scottish and that former where members of the

public can question politicians, candidates directly, can sometimes really throw up surprises. it can throw curve balls at politicians that they are not expecting. people addressing questions that really matter to them in their lives and there will be come back, you will expect from the audience. they won't necessary except the politicians answers that journalists necessary except the politicians answers thatjournalists like me might accept. so it could be quite a fiery debate. certainly it is true that s&p members are, for the first time in many years, being presented with a genuine choice, a real choice between alternative candidates offering different visions for this party in the future. of course the most important thing for them is independence. how quickly it can be achieved, cannot be achieved, but there are a whole host of other issues which are really important to voters in scotland that these candidates tonight will be addressing.— candidates tonight will be addressing. candidates tonight will be addressina. ., , ., ., addressing. how they fared so far, james, addressing. how they fared so far, james. because — addressing. how they fared so far, james, because some _ addressing. how they fared so far, james, because some of _ addressing. how they fared so far, james, because some of them, . addressing. how they fared so far, i

james, because some of them, kate. for example, how have they done thus far in terms of their previous meetings and now they're going to have the final meeting tonight? that has been a have the final meeting tonight? trust has been a really interesting contrast. it is not been a kind of pro forma by contrast. it is not been a kind of proforma by the book contest. it has surprised people, i think with the ferocity of the debate between and particular harms and yourself who were seen as a kind of continuity candidate, nicola sturgeon, the former first manager, hasn't endorsed anyone particular, but various leading figures at the centre of the snp have endorsed him. on the other hand, you have kate forbes, the finance secretary, who is as some opinion polls suggest in terms of her popularity amongst members of the smp, their level. members of the public, the general public and scotland, some opinions paul suggests to that she is more popular. that really does throw up problems for the establishment and

the smp. that is not the outcome that i think they are hoping for. they want continuity. they don't want radical change. but it really is all up for grabs. the future of the smp is very much right at the centre of this debate and is in question, particularly that will be the case when we see those candidates debating tonight and you will be able to see that on the bbc iplayer in the uk or online and in scotland on bbc one. brute]!!! iplayer in the uk or online and in scotland on bbc one.— iplayer in the uk or online and in scotland on bbc one. well you got ahead of me _ scotland on bbc one. well you got ahead of me with _ scotland on bbc one. well you got ahead of me with that _ scotland on bbc one. well you got ahead of me with that one. - scotland on bbc one. well you got ahead of me with that one. yes - ahead of me with that one. yes james, thank you so much. james they are in edinburgh. and asjames james, thank you so much. james they are in edinburgh. and as james was mentioning, ourviewers are in edinburgh. and as james was mentioning, our viewers in the uk will be able to watch that. viewers internationally with the rest of the internationally with the rest of the international news. now, a state of disaster has been declared in malawi after tropical storm freddie hit the country on sunday. at least 190 people up and killed. most of the dust had been in the commercial

capital. rescue teams are described as completely overwhelmed the following landslides and flooding. efforts to help those worst affected have been hampered by strong winds, heavy rain, and flash floods. the country is already dealing with an unprecedented colour epidemic. about 200 people have been killed with hundreds more injured and officials fear the dust bowl will keep rising as the rain shows no sign of stopping. brute keep rising as the rain shows no sign of stopping-— keep rising as the rain shows no sign of stopping. we hear a voice of a child crying- _ sign of stopping. we hear a voice of a child crying. please _ sign of stopping. we hear a voice of a child crying. please save me, - a child crying. please save me, please — a child crying. please save me, please save me. then after opening the door, _ please save me. then after opening the door, then we have discovered

that we _ the door, then we have discovered that we are — the door, then we have discovered that we are surrounded with mud around _ that we are surrounded with mud around her— that we are surrounded with mud around her house. all over this mud. now a _ around her house. all over this mud. now a potential humanitarian crisis is unfolding. the department of disaster management says thousands of households have been displaced. families have been in refugee camps across districts without enough supplies. the red cross told the bbc that they have yet to reach some areas as it is difficult to reach people by land or air. freddy is the most intense storm of the summers hemisphere. it struck madagascar and mozambique twice, and malaria has suffered the heaviest toll. authorities gave ample warning to those of low—lying areas but stay some communities fled when it was too late. the rains are expected to continue for the next a8 hours before a weakened freddie returns eastward towards mozambique. in a uk

first, a small data centre which is roughly the size of a washing machine is being used to heat a public swimming pool in southwest england. this pool in exmouth is the first in the country to use a pioneering technology to heat the water and cut down on carbon emissions. and this is where the magic happens. so, here it is, this is a deep green unit with the computers immersed in oil. so, when you put stuff in the cloud, they could end up on a data centre like this? exactly that, yeah. so, we all rely on the cloud in our everyday lives, whether for your online banking or doing your tesco order. the trouble is the computers in those data centres which run the cloud generate enormous amounts of heat, so data centres have to get rid of that heat somehow. most of the time, thatjust gets thrown into the atmosphere. this system is different, where we're immersing the computers in oil and flowing that oil into a heat exchanger to give the pool free hot water. energy costs have gone through the roof...

exmouth leisure centre says that, like business all around the country, it's had to deal with astronomical rises in its energy bills. they've gone up from 18,000 to 80,000 in a year. they say this new technology will bring them big savings. we're hoping that this will bring a significant reduction in our gas costs, maybe 50, 60%, so potentially ao, £50,000 a year of savings. we need to be doing this stuff going forward, - i particularly in the current climate i as well and particularly, you know, with the financial strain we have, and pools shutting _ all over the country. it sounds excellent, it sounds excellent. if it saves their bills, if it brings down their bills, fine. a really good idea, cos i got very cold getting in there yesterday morning. i squealed! the governing body swim england has warned more than 100 pools across the country are under threat of closure or reduced services because of high running costs. the sector has welcomed today's announcement of £63 million of government funding to help.

your thoughts are always welcome on twitter. don't go away, will be back shortly. hello. this week we've got some very big swings in temperatures from one day to the next. yesterday, widely, we had temperatures double figures, whereas today it's been about nine celsius colder than that. for example, wilma, 1a yesterday, just five this afternoon. now, that's a drop in. temperatures has brought with it much colder air. and in turn we've seen some snowfall over the staffordshire moors again here and here at low levels in the carlisle area. so across parts of northern ireland, southern scotland, northern england, we have seen some snow getting down

to quite low elevations, risk of a few showers pushing across the midlands, east anglia, south east england, but clearing later in the night with clear skies, then following. well, we are looking at a widespread and sharp frost in our towns and cities. temperatures widely between minus two and minus six degrees celsius. and where we've seen those showers, there is a risk of some icy stretches to start the day on wednesday. otherwise, it should be a fine start with lots of sunshine. now in the west, we'll see cloud quickly thicken in northern ireland, outbreaks of rain spreading in here. you might even see a little bit of snowjust on the forward edge of this weather system. but ultimately the air is turning milder in northern ireland, so any snow will be transient. it will turn back to rain. however, during wednesday evening time we could well see some more troublesome snow just for a time across parts of northern england and scotland. the snow potentially could come down to quite low elevations, but it's across the hills and particularly to the north of the central belt, where we'll probably see the snow lasting longest. but as we go through wednesday night, again, we are going to see milder air push in from the southwest. so by the end of the night, most places will have temperatures above freezing. now for thursday, friday and the weekend beyond this area of low pressure

is going to be in charge. the weather unsettled and with those south—westerly winds feeding in, it will be turning a lot milder. that milder air will be arriving for most parts of the united kingdom on thursday, although it will be accompanied by brisk winds and some heavy outbreaks of rain. temperatures will be climbing to around 12 to 1a degrees pretty widely. so very mild for the time of year. but the cold air hasn't quite left our shores. lerwickjust three degrees celsius. now through friday and the weekend, generally it is going to be on the mild side with outbreaks of rain at times, but the cold air never far away across the north of scotland. and there are signs it could start moving southwards again early next week.

this is bbc news. i'm cash pinero with the headlines. russian fighter jet hits a surveillance drone calling, causing it to crash into the black sea, being called reckless by washington. the black sea, being called reckless by washington-— by washington. approximately 7:03 a: m. , by washington. approximately 7:03 am. central— by washington. approximately 7:03 a:m., central european _ by washington. approximately 7:03 a:m., central european time, - by washington. approximately 7:03 a:m., central european time, one l by washington. approximately 7:03 | a:m., central european time, one of the russian aircraft struck the propeller of the in queue nine, causing us forces to bring it down in international waters. the causing us forces to bring it down in international waters.— causing us forces to bring it down in international waters. in internationalwaters. the nra has not to no! in internationalwaters. the nra has got to go! president _ in internationalwaters. the nra has got to go! president biden _ in internationalwaters. the nra has got to go! president biden is - got to go! president biden is exected got to go! president biden is exoected to _ got to go! president biden is expected to sign _ got to go! president biden is expected to sign an - got to go! president biden is| expected to sign an executive got to go! president biden is - expected to sign an executive order on gun control legislation. the devastation left by the earthquake in turkey, now uk engineers fly out to help why many buildings collapse.

more on our top story that we have broken in the past half—hour — washington has some in russian ambassador after object collided with an american drone over the black sea. the russian fighter plane struck the propeller of the aircraft, causing it to crash. president biden has been briefed about the incident and this appears to be the worst publicly acknowledged us russia confrontation since the full invasion of ukraine more than a year ago. the pentagon says us defence department officials have not spoken with russian officials so far about the incident.

but discuss this with professor michael clark. you are also the director general of the royal united services institute and are now a distinguished fellow there. welcome. have you ever come across anything like this? plat have you ever come across anything like this? ., ., , ., , ., .,. like this? not as a deliberate act. between russia _ like this? not as a deliberate act. between russia and _ like this? not as a deliberate act. between russia and turkey - like this? not as a deliberate act. between russia and turkey a - like this? not as a deliberate act. between russia and turkey a few| between russia and turkey a few years ago over syria, this is an accident because russian flyers were flying very recklessly. a pilot who can deliver early —— to literately hit the propeller has not yet been born. but i don't believe

any pilot could deliver early do that without endangering their own life. this has to be an incident of the pilot being reckless. what the us was saying, the russian jets were flying in the vicinity of the drone for 30—a0 minutes. that feels pretty planned. this has come from yukon, the european command of the united states, which controls all these drones. they do it regularly. americans fly aircraft and drones. russian aircraft try to harass them. this game has been going on for quite a long time and this is the first time it's hit the headlines. this will be as embarrassing as it

were to moscow as it is annoying to you than i did state �*s. it's an example of the things that can go wrong. i don't think it will escalate. the americans will react but they won't retaliate. they will react by... i think there'll be air activity. the americans are not going to retaliate because this is an accident which shows how foolish and reckless russian pilots have become. , , , , and reckless russian pilots have become. , , ,, _, . become. during the press conference, there is a question _ become. during the press conference, there is a question about the - become. during the press conference, there is a question about the drone i there is a question about the drone itself. potentially, it can be weaponise. help us to understand in this case, what do we know about this case, what do we know about this particular one? the this case, what do we know about this particular one?— this case, what do we know about this particular one? the reapers can carry missiles _ this particular one? the reapers can carry missiles normally, _ this particular one? the reapers can carry missiles normally, but - this particular one? the reapers can carry missiles normally, but most i this particular one? the reapers can carry missiles normally, but most ofj

carry missiles normally, but most of them are never used. it's inconceivable to me. there's mission for american drones to carry weapons. it would be slightly dangerous if they did, so this was a surveillance only drone but reapers are capable of carrying weapons and other situations. haifa are capable of carrying weapons and other situations.— other situations. how does washington _ other situations. how does washington and _ other situations. how does washington and the - other situations. how does. washington and the kremlin other situations. how does - washington and the kremlin then other situations. how does _ washington and the kremlin then move forward from this? what kind of conversations can we expect in the background? i conversations can we expect in the background?— background? i think we can assure ourselves of— background? i think we can assure ourselves of that. _ background? i think we can assure ourselves of that. quite _ background? i think we can assure ourselves of that. quite stiff- background? i think we can assure ourselves of that. quite stiff and l ourselves of that. quite stiff and formal conversations. the russians will be saying something like, "we don't appreciate you flying drones in the black sea. the americans will

be saying, "you've got to stop doing this." you've got to stop, as we're buzzing these drones. but this reckless behaviour is now going wrong. you're going to lose a pilot if you're not careful. fin wrong. you're going to lose a pilot if you're not careful.— if you're not careful. on that note, professor clark, _ if you're not careful. on that note, professor clark, really _ if you're not careful. on that note, professor clark, really good - if you're not careful. on that note, professor clark, really good to - if you're not careful. on that note, professor clark, really good to getj professor clark, really good to get your analysis. the bbc team has embedded with a group of eight volunteers who deliver food to hundreds of residents in the oblast region of kherson. it often comes close to costing them their lives.

translation: please stop, take it easy. it's heavy. please stop, take it easy. it's hea . ., , heavy. even on the road, these volunteers _ heavy. even on the road, these volunteers have _ heavy. even on the road, these volunteers have an _ heavy. even on the road, these volunteers have an escape - heavy. even on the road, these volunteers have an escape the| volunteers have an escape the danger. translation: it is difficult, but in the area where — it is difficult, but in the area where we _ it is difficult, but in the area where we inhabit two people under difficult _ where we inhabit two people under difficult application, we went through— difficult application, we went through so much misery. as difficult application, we went through so much misery. as soon as the convoy — through so much misery. as soon as the convoy leaves _ through so much misery. as soon as the convoy leaves the _ through so much misery. as soon as the convoy leaves the town, - through so much misery. as soon as the convoy leaves the town, it - the convoy leaves the town, it becomes visible to the russian army. it's not long before they receive reports of artillery fire close by. this is the first aid convoy to arrive here in three weeks. for many here, this aid is the only source of

food. at the volunteers avoid their advance, one of them starts recording. translation: explosion. we take cover. do you see what it's like? _ explosion. we take cover. do you see what it's like? we _ explosion. we take cover. do you see what it's like? we are _ explosion. we take cover. do you see what it's like? we are often _ explosion. we take cover. do you see what it's like? we are often in - explosion. we take cover. do you see what it's like? we are often in a - what it's like? we are often in a situation like this. the volunteers sa this is situation like this. the volunteers say this is a _ situation like this. the volunteers say this is a threat _ situation like this. the volunteers say this is a threat they _ situation like this. the volunteers say this is a threat they face - situation like this. the volunteers| say this is a threat they face every day. minutes later, a second shell explodes — this time much closer. explosion. that way, that way!

behind you, meet, keep going. we were behind you, meet, keep going. were being targeted from a behind you, meet, keep going.“ were being targeted from a russian position. the convoy was made shorter by a splitting up. translation: there was an artillery attackjust now. it was so strong. i've never heard anything like it. the ukrainian _ heard anything like it. the ukrainian authorities say no one was killed in the area despite several villages coming under attack. this area has no military infrastructure. it's unclear what the target was. but despite the threat of marshalling, the volunteers continue to the next village —— more shelling. the british minister has asked cybersecurity excerpts a look at the

risks posed by tiktok. he says he hasn't rolled out a ban on the app, but wouldn't wait for evidence before reaching a decision. this comes a day after the british prime minister said that the uk would look into banning tiktok on government phones. tiktok has faced allegations that it hands users' data to the chinese government, which it has denied. let's talk to the director of research for the computer science department at surrey university. many countries have looked very closely at this and have looked very closely at this and have already banned tiktok on government devices. talk about the concerns that the uk home office is looking at now. this concerns that the uk home office is looking at now-— looking at now. this is on the heels of a recent — looking at now. this is on the heels of a recent us _ looking at now. this is on the heels of a recent us announcement - looking at now. this is on the heelsj of a recent us announcement which basically asked the us government to take tiktok off their forms. the concern seems to be about whether or

not tiktok, which is owned by a chinese company, whether it will share data with the chinese government.— share data with the chinese government. share data with the chinese covernment. . ~ , ., ., ., government. talk us through the data it could possibly _ government. talk us through the data it could possibly share. _ government. talk us through the data it could possibly share. what - government. talk us through the data it could possibly share. what would i it could possibly share. what would be of interest? and tiktok has denied it shares data with the chinese government. we: denied it shares data with the chinese government. it's probably ueo olitics chinese government. it's probably geopolitics here. _ chinese government. it's probably geopolitics here. friction - chinese government. it's probably geopolitics here. friction betweenj geopolitics here. friction between china and the us may be playing a part here. in terms of what tiktok takes in data, it's very similar to other social media applications, and in fact, tiktok claims it asks for less data than other compatible applications. so, one possibility is maybe there's some sort of credible

threat that the us intelligence agencies have received and are acting on the back of that. the other is this could basically be a worry that data could be shared, but simply the same kind of data that other social media platforms might be asking. for example, with your permission, they could get your location, and you can diss disable locations and hearing —— location sharing. so, it's personal information like that which is sought after by many social media companies, but mostly because of targeted advertising. security is not one of the main things they are looking at their on social media.

nisha, can i put you on the spot like? what would you be advising government departments, whether they should be having tiktok on their devices for work? it should be having tiktok on their devices for work?— should be having tiktok on their devices for work? it depends on your articular devices for work? it depends on your particular role- _ devices for work? it depends on your particular role. if— devices for work? it depends on your particular role. if you're _ devices for work? it depends on your particular role. if you're a _ particular role. if you're a high—value target, then perhaps having a lockdown device is alive thing to do. —— a wise thing. what that was exploited recently by this company and this attack was called the pegasus spyware, that got a lot of information you. even whatsapp, which is owned by facebook in the us, could leak data. better be careful if you're a high—value target, but if you're a normal

government employee, wait for whatever the results will be coming out from this study.— out from this study. nishant, thank ou for out from this study. nishant, thank you for your — out from this study. nishant, thank you for your guidance _ out from this study. nishant, thank you for your guidance and - out from this study. nishant, thank you for your guidance and advice. l you for your guidance and advice. stay with us here on bbc news. a woman is jailed for eight and a half years at preston crown court in the uk after falsely claiming she was the victim of an asian grooming gang. hospital management refused to remove the nurse from work despite warnings from the consultants the day before she was accused of harming a baby. she denies murdering seven babies and attempting a further ten at chester hospital.

two of three triplets died within hours of each other. consultants say they had started to suspect that nurse lucy b was associated with the series of debts of —— lucy letby. stephen had become concerned and told the jury lucy letby was present at the debrief. doctor brea rley doctor brearley said medics had expressed their concerns to managers, but now he picked up the phone to the senior nursing executive on duty. the court heard that during that call, steven brearley said he didn't want lucy letby to come to work into the

deaths have been investigated. this was denied and he was told there was no evidence. he said he asked the executive if she had be happy to take responsibility should anything happen to any more babies in the unit. she said she would. it's alleged that on her shift the next day, lucy letby attempted to murder another baby by injecting him with air. in court, the defence team said if there was basis for the doctors' suspicions, they would have gone to the police rather than management. nurse letby denies all the charges against her. the trial continues. judith moritz, bbc news, manchester. you're watching bbc news. a russian fighter jet a russian fighterjet hits a military surveillance drone, causing it to crash into the black sea.

22—year—old woman has beenjailed for eight and a half years for making up a series of false rape allegations. williams posted herself on social media which she claimed was from being beaten, abused and trafficked by asian men. she inflicted the wounds on herself using a hammer. the court heard that the three men who had been falsely accused tried to take their own lives, saying they had suffered hell on earth. thejudge said lives, saying they had suffered hell on earth. the judge said allegations gets the men had been complete fiction. this includes distressing adls. when eleanor wilson told cumbria police she had been raped, assaulted, drugged and abused by a series of men, they took the claims seriously. arrests were made, charges brought — but everything she said was a lie.

for the men she accused, it made their life hell. they smashed the windscreen... mohammed ramzam was targeted after she said he ran a grooming gang. in actualfact, he ran an ice cream van. today at court, he described the lasting impact. i'm not sure how my family and i are going to recover from this. mud sticks, and ifear it may take some time. but as a family, we remain strong and we will be strong, and we're determined to move forward positively with our lives. in barrow in furness, her claims spread like wildfire. horns honking. right—wing protests took place in the town. there was an upsurge in hate crime. on facebook, she claimed a grooming gang had attacked her with a hammer, gang had attacked her with a hammer. the photos went viral. but these were self—inflicted injuries. she was uncovered when detectives found pictures of her buying the hammer she had used in a supermarket. she created fake social media accounts, sent text messages to herself.

like two other victims of williams, he tried to take his own life. i've got complex ptsd from it all, i've had mental health problems through it all, i've tried ending my life over it all. i couldn't have a bond with my son when he was first born because of it all. when i was in custody, there was no help and support for myself. i lived every day in myself. no—one deserves to be in prison if they've done nothing wrong. today, williams was given an 8.5 year sentence for perverting the course ofjustice, half of which she'll spend in prison. the judge told preston crown court the implications of williams�* lies are serious for genuine victims of sexual abuse. the harm of this offending| extends to an undermining of public confidence _ in the criminaljustice system. we are aware that sex trafficking of young females does occur. - there is a risk that l genuine victims will, as a result of this i defendant's actions, feel deterred from reporting it. people may be less likely. to believe their allegations. outside, williams�*s mother accepted the court sentence.

i think thejudge has been really fair in taking into account her age and vulnerabilities, and you know, for her to be able to move on and find a life as well. she's really young. the judge today said we may never know what motivated eleanor wilson to lie the way she did, but the impact of her deception could be far—reaching. garnet with that report. turkish engineers who are already on the ground has provided them with inferior building materials. the team will produce a report in a matter of weeks to resigned to improve seismic activity for when the area is rebuilt. rebecca morelle has more.

now an investigation is beginning to try and find some answers amongst the wreckage. how many buildings did you serve? professor emily leading the investigation team. she's been getting the latest update from toj. he has found large pebbles invented. do you think they got these aggregates locally because it's got lots of rivers around? yeah, all of them taken from the river. the river pebbles shouldn't be there. they weaken the structure. she's also found some steel bars are smooth instead of ridged, which means the concrete doesn't cling to them — again, reducing the strength. this kind of in—depth analysis can only be done by having experts on the ground. it's important to get the full

picture rather thanjust looking at a snapshot of a single asset or a single building, because the successes of the ones that are still intact and perform perfectly well is as important as its neighbours that have collapsed, and actually having that distribution, having that overview, is really key to what we do and what we can learn from this earthquake. but the collapse of some buildings isn't because of poor construction. in some areas, the ground movement was so great it exceeded what the buildings had been designed to withstand. and in others, a process called liquefaction turns the ground into a heavy fluid, like very wet sand. a telltale sign of this is a building that's toppled over. at the engineering company arup, computer simulations show why some buildings fail. we're starting to see morej movement in the columns. this part of the building is moving more. - the connection with - the central core has failed. that part has collapsed. this part has collapsed. | the building has performed really, really badly. - but buildings can be designed to withstand seismic events. we can see the performance - of the columns, and the beams,

and the floors, and the ceilings, and everything remains intact, i so that's a clean bill of health. the basic design principle - is to allow some form of damage within the building. that damage absorbs the energy of the earthquake, _ means the building will move a little bit more. | things will be cracked, - but generally, the building will survive, and that's the sort of baseline. i how do you construct buildings in an earthquake zone? the vertical columns should be stronger than the horizontal beams. it means the upper storeys are supported, so you don't get what's called pancaking — where one layer collapses on top of another. dampers can be added, too. they act like shock absorbers as the building sways to and fro, and rubber bearings can be fitted underneath the building. they absorb the energy of the earthquake so it doesn't transfer to the structure above. but all of this costs money,

and retrofitting an older building can be even more expensive. with so much destruction, there's a huge task ahead. it will take years of careful planning to rebuild. the hope is that the findings of this investigation will ensure this kind of devastation is not seen again. rebecca morelle, bbc news. the indonesian island of mali is branding motorbikes in cases of people breaking local traffic laws —— bali. there been more than 170 traffic violations visiting the popular destination in late february and early march alone. tourists will only be able to get bikes from authorised agents, but companies say the authorities should concentrate on specific traffic violations rather than imposing a blanket ban on writers. the new law is likely to

come into force later this year. most of us have used excuses for being late for work or school, but drivers here in the east of england weren't expecting to be delayed by a large herd of deer. norfolk has a large population living in woodland, but locals said it was rare to see so many charging across the road at the same time. what an excuse, it's a good one! just before we go, just a reminder of the breaking news we've been bringing you. an unmanned american surveillance drone has crashed into the black sea. it's an incident involving two russian fighterjets. washington and moscow have given very different accounts about what has happened. russia's military denies that one of its jet struck the drone. the us defense department

says russian jets have flown in front of the drone. we'll be back soon. hello. this week, we've got some very big swings in temperatures from one day to the next. from one day to the next. yesterday, widely, we had temperatures double figures, whereas today, it's been about 9 celsius colder than that. for example, boulmer, 1a yesterday, just 5 this afternoon. now, that's a drop. temperatures has brought with it much colder air. with it much colder air, and in turn, we've seen some snowfall over the staffordshire moors again here and here at low levels in the carlisle area. so, across parts of northern ireland, southern scotland, northern england, we have seen some snow getting down to quite low elevations, risk

of a few showers pushing across the midlands, east anglia, south east england, but clearing later in the night with clear skies, then following. well, we are looking at a widespread and sharp frost in our towns and cities. temperatures widely between —2 and —6 celsius, and where we've seen those showers, there is a risk of some icy stretches to start the day on wednesday. otherwise, it should be a fine start with lots of sunshine. now, in the west, we'll see cloud quickly thicken in northern ireland, outbreaks of rain spreading in here. you might even see a little bit of snowjust on the forward edge of this weather system. but ultimately, the air is turning milder in northern ireland, so any snow will be transient. so any snow will be transient, it will turn back to rain. however, during wednesday evening time, we could well see some more troublesome snow just for a time across parts of northern england and scotland. the snow potentially could come down to quite low elevations, but it's across the hills and particularly to the north of the central belt, where we'll probably see the snow lasting longest. but as we go through wednesday night, again, we are going to see milder air push in from the southwest, so by the end of the night, most places will have temperatures above freezing. now, for thursday, friday

and the weekend beyond, this area of low pressure is going to be in charge. is going to be in charge, the weather unsettled, and with those south—westerly winds feeding in, it will be turning a lot milder. that milder air will be arriving for most parts of the united kingdom on thursday, although it will be accompanied by brisk winds and some heavy outbreaks of rain. temperatures will be climbing to around 12—1a degrees pretty widely, so very mild for the time of year. but the cold air hasn't quite left our shores — lerwick, just 3 celsius.

tonight the three candidates to become s&p leaders face each for the final tv debate in the first one in front of a law live audience. welcome to debate night.

good evening. in less than two weeks snp will have a new leader and scotland will have a new first minister. tonight the three candidates competing for that position is with us on a special life addition of debate night. for the first time they are taking questions from a studio audience featuring people from all walks of life. with differing political views but with one thing in common. they have come here this evening to find out who is the best person for the big job. you can share your thoughts from home hashtag bbc d and and you can follow us too. the three main topics that audiences told us that they wanted discussed this evening our public services, the economy and independence. we will also have a section where the questions are specifically in at each of the candidates. myjob tonight is to help the audience leave here with

some answers. —— aimed. we will begin this evening with b and a chest the first question of the night comes from angie martin. lloathed night comes from angie martin. what ou sa night comes from angie martin. what you say people _ night comes from angie martin. “garnet you say people spending their life savings on private surgery because of the length of nhs waiting list in scotland? d0 of the length of nhs waiting list in scotland? , ., ., of the length of nhs waiting list in scotland? ., , ., scotland? do you have personal experience _ scotland? do you have personal experience of _ scotland? do you have personal experience of this _ scotland? do you have personal experience of this quick? - scotland? do you have personal experience of this quick? yes i scotland? do you have personall experience of this quick? yes my husband has _ experience of this quick? yes my husband has parkinson's - experience of this quick? yes my husband has parkinson's and - experience of this quick? yes my| husband has parkinson's and also chronic arthritis and was told recently that the place on the wingless is 306 years. thousands of eo - les on wingless is 306 years. thousands of peoples on wingless _ wingless is 306 years. thousands of peoples on wingless what _ wingless is 306 years. thousands of peoples on wingless what you - wingless is 306 years. thousands of peoples on wingless what you say i wingless is 306 years. thousands ofj peoples on wingless what you say to this couple —— waiting list. ! this couple —— waiting list. i apologise because you should not have to wait for that length of time for that operation. this is the hard message that the covid pandemic that has lasted for three years has been the largest shock that the nhs has

faced and right across scotland but the entire government is focused on reducing those waiting list. we are starting with those waiting the longest. reducing 25% for those waiting longest but we have to go further. and that is why i am a proponent of progressive taxation. that is why i believe people who can earn the most often like government politicians we should pay the most. because that allows us to invest for example in 23—2a a billion extra pounds. example in 23-2a a billion extra ounds. . , ., example in 23-2a a billion extra ounds. ., , ., , ., example in 23-2a a billion extra ounds. ., , ., _ , pounds. can you understand by this man is constantly _ pounds. can you understand by this man is constantly go _ pounds. can you understand by this man is constantly go private - pounds. can you understand by this man is constantly go private to - pounds. can you understand by this man is constantly go private to get| man is constantly go private to get out of the pain he isn't right now. of course i and i would not have humanity if i could not. so i would want nhs to look after you the same way that it would look after my mother or father. way that it would look after my mother orfather. what way that it would look after my mother or father. what i would say is this. one of the key parts of recovery is making sure our staff are paid well up as many are stuffed because of course the challenges will be even greater so i'm pleased at the moment that we have a pay

deal on the table which means that our nhs stuff will be the best paid in the entire uk. i noticed how. for patients up and down the country. i can give you a rock—solid commitment as long as i'm health secretary and of course i believe that if any of my colleagues and up as first minister are number one priority has to be and will be the recovery of our nhs. ma; to be and will be the recovery of our nhs. ~ , . to be and will be the recovery of our nhs. g . ., , , to be and will be the recovery of our nhs. g . . , , ., our nhs. my direct answer is that it is unacceptable _ our nhs. my direct answer is that it is unacceptable because _ our nhs. my direct answer is that it is unacceptable because one - our nhs. my direct answer is that it is unacceptable because one of - our nhs. my direct answer is that it is unacceptable because one of the | is unacceptable because one of the founding _ is unacceptable because one of the founding principles of the nhs which we all— founding principles of the nhs which we all love is that treatment should be free _ we all love is that treatment should be free at— we all love is that treatment should be free at the point of need. that has not _ be free at the point of need. that has not been your experience. i think— has not been your experience. i think admits that the clamour of a leadership election like this there is a reminderthat leadership election like this there is a reminder that there is a lot more _ is a reminder that there is a lot more that— is a reminder that there is a lot more that unites us as a nation, as a party— more that unites us as a nation, as a party then— more that unites us as a nation, as a party then divides us. not least ensuring — a party then divides us. not least ensuring that our nhs is fit for purpose — ensuring that our nhs is fit for purpose. as we go into the next you few decades. my approach here is to ensure _ few decades. my approach here is to ensure that — few decades. my approach here is to ensure that first of all, it is our front— ensure that first of all, it is our front line — ensure that first of all, it is our front line workers that our empowered to deliver care. the nhs

is our— empowered to deliver care. the nhs is our workers and our workers are the nhs _ is our workers and our workers are the nhs. they are the ones providing care in— the nhs. they are the ones providing care in while — the nhs. they are the ones providing care in while of course it is important _ care in while of course it is important that there is a good terms and conditions i think it is also critical— and conditions i think it is also critical that money does not get lost in _ critical that money does not get lost in bureaucraticjudgment levels and finds— lost in bureaucraticjudgment levels and finds its way to the front lines so that— and finds its way to the front lines so that you — and finds its way to the front lines so that you get the care and the help— so that you get the care and the help that — so that you get the care and the help that you need. i suppose the last comment i would make is there is widespread recognition i think that the — is widespread recognition i think that the nhs is a lot safer and healthier— that the nhs is a lot safer and healthier under the snp than elsewhere but there is also a great appetite _ elsewhere but there is also a great appetite across the country for reform — appetite across the country for reform. and we should not be shy of discussing the need for reform in order— discussing the need for reform in order to — discussing the need for reform in order to ensure that our nhs is prepared — order to ensure that our nhs is prepared notjust for order to ensure that our nhs is prepared not just for next year but is still— prepared not just for next year but is still providing treatment free at the point — is still providing treatment free at the point of need. the next few decades — the point of need. the next few decades. ~ . , ., the point of need. the next few decades. ~ ., ., the point of need. the next few decades. ., decades. what you say to people sendin: decades. what you say to people spending their— decades. what you say to people spending their life _ decades. what you say to people spending their life savings - decades. what you say to people spending their life savings on - spending their life savings on private surgery to avoid nhs come long waiting lists in scotland. thea;r

long waiting lists in scotland. they should not have _ long waiting lists in scotland. they should not have to _ long waiting lists in scotland. they should not have to do that. we all live in_ should not have to do that. we all live in scotland _ should not have to do that. we all live in scotland know _ should not have to do that. we all live in scotland know that - should not have to do that. we all live in scotland know that we - should not have to do that. we all live in scotland know that we payl live in scotland know that we pay into the — live in scotland know that we pay into the systems _ live in scotland know that we pay into the systems that _ live in scotland know that we pay into the systems that if- live in scotland know that we pay into the systems that if we - live in scotland know that we pay into the systems that if we needl live in scotland know that we pay. into the systems that if we need the nhs and _ into the systems that if we need the nhs and hopefully— into the systems that if we need the nhs and hopefully we _ into the systems that if we need the nhs and hopefully we won't - 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need it we hope that the service will be there for us at a certain. will be there for us at a certain level— will be there for us at a certain level as — will be there for us at a certain level as well. _ will be there for us at a certain level as well. because - will be there for us at a certain level as well. because we - will be there for us at a certain level as well. because we are. will be there for us at a certain i level as well. because we are all contributing _ level as well. because we are all contributing to— level as well. because we are all contributing to it _ level as well. because we are all contributing to it so _ level as well. because we are all contributing to it so i _ level as well. because we are all contributing to it so i think- level as well. because we are all contributing to it so i think this i contributing to it so i think this is something _ contributing to it so i think this is something that _ contributing to it so i think this is something that i _ contributing to it so i think this is something that i say- contributing to it so i think this - is something that i say consistently that i_ is something that i say consistently that i want— is something that i say consistently that i want to — is something that i say consistently that i want to focus _ is something that i say consistently that i want to focus on. _ is something that i say consistently that i want to focus on. i— is something that i say consistently that i want to focus on. i think it. that i want to focus on. i think it is important _ that i want to focus on. i think it is important to— that i want to focus on. i think it is important to the _ that i want to focus on. i think it is important to the people - is important to the people of scotland _ is important to the people of scotland i— is important to the people of scotland i think— is important to the people of scotland i think is— is important to the people of scotland i think is the - is important to the people of scotland i think is the main. is important to the people of . scotland i think is the mainjob is important to the people of - scotland i think is the mainjob of the first— scotland i think is the mainjob of the first minister— scotland i think is the mainjob of the first minister is _ scotland i think is the mainjob of the first minister is to— scotland i think is the mainjob of the first minister is to focus - scotland i think is the mainjob of the first minister is to focus on i the first minister is to focus on the priorities— the first minister is to focus on the priorities of— the first minister is to focus on the priorities of the _ the first minister is to focus on the priorities of the people - the first minister is to focus on the priorities of the people of. the priorities of the people of scotland _ the priorities of the people of scotland i— the priorities of the people of scotland. i know— the priorities of the people of scotland. i know we - the priorities of the people of scotland. i know we all - the priorities of the people of- scotland. i know we all understand that the _ scotland. i know we all understand that the nhs— scotland. i know we all understand that the nhs is— scotland. i know we all understand that the nhs is facing _ scotland. i know we all understand that the nhs is facing pressures i scotland. i know we all understand that the nhs is facing pressures atj that the nhs is facing pressures at the moment— that the nhs is facing pressures at the moment but— that the nhs is facing pressures at the moment but we _ that the nhs is facing pressures at the moment but we need - that the nhs is facing pressures at the moment but we need to - that the nhs is facing pressures at the moment but we need to focusi that the nhs is facing pressures at i the moment but we need to focus on that and _ the moment but we need to focus on that and try— the moment but we need to focus on that and try to — the moment but we need to focus on that and try to find _ the moment but we need to focus on that and try to find how _ the moment but we need to focus on that and try to find how to _ the moment but we need to focus on that and try to find how to fix - the moment but we need to focus on that and try to find how to fix it. - that and try to find how to fix it. ithink— that and try to find how to fix it. i think the — that and try to find how to fix it. i think the problem _ that and try to find how to fix it. i think the problem is— that and try to find how to fix it. i think the problem is that - that and try to find how to fix it. i i think the problem is that we are not supporting _ i think the problem is that we are not supporting staff well- i think the problem is that we are not supporting staff well enough. i think the problem is that we are. not supporting staff well enough. i think we _ not supporting staff well enough. i think we gotten— not supporting staff well enough. i think we gotten into _ not supporting staff well enough. i think we gotten into a _ not supporting staff well enough. i think we gotten into a situation - think we gotten into a situation probably— think we gotten into a situation probably not _ think we gotten into a situation probably not through _ think we gotten into a situation probably not through being - think we gotten into a situation - probably not through being malicious where _ probably not through being malicious where we _ probably not through being malicious where we are — probably not through being malicious where we are setting _ probably not through being malicious where we are setting key _ probably not through being maliciousl where we are setting key performance indicators _ where we are setting key performance indicators and — where we are setting key performance indicators and targets _ where we are setting key performance indicators and targets and _ where we are setting key performance indicators and targets and putting - indicators and targets and putting more _ indicators and targets and putting more and — indicators and targets and putting more and more _ indicators and targets and putting more and more pressure - indicators and targets and putting more and more pressure on - indicators and targets and putting more and more pressure on to. indicators and targets and putting | more and more pressure on to our staff— more and more pressure on to our staff and _ more and more pressure on to our staff and the — more and more pressure on to our staff and the problem _ more and more pressure on to our staff and the problem is _ more and more pressure on to our staff and the problem is we - more and more pressure on to our staff and the problem is we are i more and more pressure on to our| staff and the problem is we are not going _ staff and the problem is we are not going to turn — staff and the problem is we are not going to turn this _ staff and the problem is we are not going to turn this around _ staff and the problem is we are not going to turn this around with - staff and the problem is we are not going to turn this around with a - going to turn this around with a manager lead _ going to turn this around with a manager lead solution. - going to turn this around with a manager lead solution. more i going to turn this around with a - manager lead solution. more targets is not _ manager lead solution. more targets is not going — manager lead solution. more targets is not going to — manager lead solution. more targets is not going to help— manager lead solution. more targets is not going to help anything - manager lead solution. more targets

is not going to help anything is- manager lead solution. more targets is not going to help anything is not. is not going to help anything is not going to _ is not going to help anything is not going to get — is not going to help anything is not going to get us _ is not going to help anything is not going to get us out _ is not going to help anything is not going to get us out of— is not going to help anything is not going to get us out of the - is not going to help anything is notj going to get us out of the situation is we _ going to get us out of the situation is we need — going to get us out of the situation is we need to— going to get us out of the situation is we need to empower— going to get us out of the situation is we need to empower the - going to get us out of the situation i is we need to empower the staff and listen _ is we need to empower the staff and listen to— is we need to empower the staff and listen to them — is we need to empower the staff and listen to them so _ is we need to empower the staff and listen to them so the _ is we need to empower the staff and listen to them so the only _ is we need to empower the staff and listen to them so the only way - is we need to empower the staff and listen to them so the only way we i listen to them so the only way we can fix— listen to them so the only way we can fix the — listen to them so the only way we can fix the nhs _ listen to them so the only way we can fix the nhs is _ listen to them so the only way we can fix the nhs is a _ listen to them so the only way we can fix the nhs is a staff - listen to them so the only way we can fix the nhs is a staff r. - listen to them so the only way we can fix the nhs is a staff r. so i l can fix the nhs is a staff r. so i want _ can fix the nhs is a staff r. so i want to— can fix the nhs is a staff r. so i want to pull— can fix the nhs is a staff r. so i want to pullan_ can fix the nhs is a staff r. so i want to pull an immediate - can fix the nhs is a staff r. so i i want to pull an immediate summit where _ want to pull an immediate summit where we — want to pull an immediate summit where we ask— want to pull an immediate summit where we ask every— want to pull an immediate summit where we ask every workplace - want to pull an immediate summit where we ask every workplace to i where we ask every workplace to nominate — where we ask every workplace to nominate clinical— where we ask every workplace to nominate clinical staff— where we ask every workplace to nominate clinical staff and - where we ask every workplace to i nominate clinical staff and support software _ nominate clinical staff and support software they _ nominate clinical staff and support software they can _ nominate clinical staff and support software they can come _ nominate clinical staff and support software they can come tell - nominate clinical staff and support software they can come tell me i software they can come tell me directly— software they can come tell me directly asked _ software they can come tell me directly asked first _ software they can come tell me directly asked first minister- software they can come tell me. directly asked first minister what needs— directly asked first minister what needs to — directly asked first minister what needs to change _ directly asked first minister what needs to change and _ directly asked first minister what needs to change and then - directly asked first minister what needs to change and then we - directly asked first minister what| needs to change and then we will directly asked first minister what - needs to change and then we will set about— needs to change and then we will set about supporting _ needs to change and then we will set about supporting to _ needs to change and then we will set about supporting to fix _ needs to change and then we will set about supporting to fix it. _ about supporting to fix it. let's hear what _ about supporting to fix it. let's hear what the _ about supporting to fix it. let's hear what the audience - about supporting to fix it. hear what the audience have about supporting to fix it.- hear what the audience have to about supporting to fix it— hear what the audience have to say about those answers, men and pink sweater. �* . ., ., ., about those answers, men and pink sweater. . ., ., ., ., , sweater. i've had an operation on my knee, i do sweater. i've had an operation on my knee. i do not _ sweater. i've had an operation on my knee, i do not want _ sweater. i've had an operation on my knee, i do not want to _ sweater. i've had an operation on my knee, i do not want to wait _ sweater. i've had an operation on my knee, i do not want to wait for - sweater. i've had an operation on my knee, i do not want to wait for your l knee, i do not want to wait for your support. was done in the clinic, recently on the bbc last week. 18 full—time surgeons, not moonlighting surgeons from the royal infirmary nipping up at five o'clock and night to do operations. the mention of higher taxes, there is no mention of her of efficiency. within the nhs because you have a situation of

nurses, 9% six —— sickness rate which is a downward spiral. i have spoken to doctors tonight who say that the is just an inefficient operation. that the is 'ust an inefficient operation.— that the is 'ust an inefficient oeration. . , . ., operation. what is the change in our operation. what is the change in your view? _ operation. what is the change in your view? l _ operation. what is the change in your view? i think _ operation. what is the change in your view? i think it _ operation. what is the change in your view? i think it is _ operation. what is the change in your view? i think it is a - operation. what is the change in| your view? i think it is a massive operation you — your view? i think it is a massive operation you have _ your view? i think it is a massive operation you have to _ your view? i think it is a massive operation you have to change i operation you have to change the culture. we are talking about the 9% sickness rate for nurses that is a downward spiral and jeff to educate these nurses to say it is not ok to take time off and put pressure on your colleagues... take time off and put pressure on your colleagues. . ._ take time off and put pressure on our colleaiues. .. . , ~ ~ ,, your colleagues... audience murmurs. that but does not seem a popular to the audience. ., ., but does not seem a popular to the audience. ., . ., , ., ., audience. you are the only one who icked u- audience. you are the only one who picked up in — audience. you are the only one who picked up in the _ audience. you are the only one who picked up in the morale _ audience. you are the only one who picked up in the morale of - audience. you are the only one who picked up in the morale of the - audience. you are the only one who picked up in the morale of the nhs| audience. you are the only one who| picked up in the morale of the nhs i work as— picked up in the morale of the nhs i work as a _ picked up in the morale of the nhs i work as a nhs testis and have done for the _ work as a nhs testis and have done for the last— work as a nhs testis and have done for the last 20 years so i have seen

first-hand — for the last 20 years so i have seen first—hand the specific problems with nhs dentistry i think they're not only— with nhs dentistry i think they're not only has to be the financial and morale _ not only has to be the financial and morale side — not only has to be the financial and morale side of it but also starting with education in terms of reducing obesity— with education in terms of reducing obesity levels and just general nutrition — obesity levels and just general nutrition within scotland. so need to be _ nutrition within scotland. so need to be an _ nutrition within scotland. so need to be an overall approach rather than _ to be an overall approach rather thanjust— to be an overall approach rather thanjust financial. to be an overall approach rather than just financial.— than just financial. dentistry is increasingly — than just financial. dentistry is increasingly privatised - than just financial. dentistry is increasingly privatised is - than just financial. dentistry is increasingly privatised is that l than just financial. dentistry is - increasingly privatised is that what you fear will happen with aspects of the nhs. ~ ., ., you fear will happen with aspects of the nhs. a, ., , , ., the nhs. more more dentists are leavin: the nhs. more more dentists are leaving the _ the nhs. more more dentists are leaving the nhs _ the nhs. more more dentists are leaving the nhs service - the nhs. more more dentists are leaving the nhs service early, i leaving the nhs service early, taking — leaving the nhs service early, taking early retirement and also moving — taking early retirement and also moving to — taking early retirement and also moving to private practices if they are not— moving to private practices if they are not returned to spirits they become — are not returned to spirits they become disillusioned. so there is a huge _ become disillusioned. so there is a huge problem not withinjust dentistry but the wider health system — dentistry but the wider health s stem. ~ . . dentistry but the wider health s stem. ~ , , ., dentistry but the wider health s stem. ~ ,, ., ., ., system. we dipped our toe into the nhs and other— system. we dipped our toe into the nhs and other big _ system. we dipped our toe into the nhs and other big question - system. we dipped our toe into the nhs and other big question that. nhs and other big question that people wanted to talk about is education in scotland as well. our second question of the night comes from robin nelson.— from robin nelson. wyatt with the scottish education _ from robin nelson. wyatt with the scottish education system - from robin nelson. wyatt with the scottish education system be - from robin nelson. wyatt with the | scottish education system be better off as you as first minister.

because i would simplified and empower our teachers. when it comes to education _ empower our teachers. when it comes to education i have just had a lot -- little — to education i have just had a lot —— little baby girl so i have a vested — —— little baby girl so i have a vested interest in the education system — vested interest in the education system that she will grow up attending. what i want to see is an education system that teaches our children— education system that teaches our children and ensures that when they leave _ children and ensures that when they leave school, they are ready for further — leave school, they are ready for further education or they are ready for the _ further education or they are ready for the workplace. that means that we need _ for the workplace. that means that we need to— for the workplace. that means that we need to ensure our teachers have burdens _ we need to ensure our teachers have burdens that have been reduced in order— burdens that have been reduced in order to _ burdens that have been reduced in order to get on with the job of teaching — order to get on with the job of teaching and review after review of the scottish education system suggest that is not a core curriculum that is the problem, the fact that _ curriculum that is the problem, the fact that we — curriculum that is the problem, the fact that we are asking our teachers to do— fact that we are asking our teachers to do a _ fact that we are asking our teachers to do a huge amount is. the second thing _ to do a huge amount is. the second thing i_ to do a huge amount is. the second thing i would do is empower our teachers — thing i would do is empower our teachers and had teachers. ultimately so they can provide child centred _ ultimately so they can provide child centred teaching. if we give them the freedom, over resources, over staffing. _ the freedom, over resources, over staffing, then they can actually tailor _ staffing, then they can actually tailor the — staffing, then they can actually tailor the package of education to

that child — tailor the package of education to that child. if! tailor the package of education to that child. if i can make one last point _ that child. if i can make one last point again— that child. if i can make one last point again talk about family members, my sister is a primary teacher— members, my sister is a primary teacher and _ members, my sister is a primary teacher and she says before you can even start _ teacher and she says before you can even start teaching, you need to deal with— even start teaching, you need to deal with the fact that they are hungry — deal with the fact that they are hungry. and at the moment we have children— hungry. and at the moment we have children in_ hungry. and at the moment we have children in scotland one and four children— children in scotland one and four children are in poverty in scotland for some — children are in poverty in scotland for some children arriving to learn, who are _ for some children arriving to learn, who are too — for some children arriving to learn, who are too hungry to learn. so we also need to— who are too hungry to learn. so we also need to tackle the root causes of poverty— also need to tackle the root causes of poverty to ensure that education truly does — of poverty to ensure that education truly does provide that social mobility— truly does provide that social mobility that it always used to. well— mobility that it always used to. we'll come on to the economy. education is clearly one of the most fundamental— education is clearly one of the most fundamental things— education is clearly one of the most fundamental things that _ education is clearly one of the most fundamental things that we - education is clearly one of the most fundamental things that we provide j fundamental things that we provide as the _ fundamental things that we provide as the government. _ fundamental things that we provide as the government. that _ fundamental things that we provide as the government. that front - fundamental things that we provide as the government. that front —— i as the government. that front —— first— as the government. that front —— first start — as the government. that front —— first start for— as the government. that front —— first start for children _ as the government. that front —— first start for children giving - as the government. that front ——| first start for children giving them the tools— first start for children giving them the tools that _ first start for children giving them the tools that they— first start for children giving them the tools that they need - first start for children giving them the tools that they need to - first start for children giving them the tools that they need to learnl the tools that they need to learn about _ the tools that they need to learn about themselves _ the tools that they need to learn about themselves in _ the tools that they need to learn about themselves in the - the tools that they need to learn about themselves in the world i the tools that they need to learn - about themselves in the world around them and _ about themselves in the world around them and to— about themselves in the world around them and to go— about themselves in the world around them and to go on— about themselves in the world around them and to go on to _ about themselves in the world around them and to go on to have _ about themselves in the world around them and to go on to have the - them and to go on to have the careers that _ them and to go on to have the careers that they— them and to go on to have the careers that they want - them and to go on to have the careers that they want to - them and to go on to have the| careers that they want to have. them and to go on to have the i careers that they want to have. i have _ careers that they want to have. i have many— careers that they want to have. i have many friends _ careers that they want to have. i have many friends that - careers that they want to have. i have many friends that are - careers that they want to have. i. have many friends that are teachers and what comes _ have many friends that are teachers and what comes across _ have many friends that are teachers and what comes across to _ have many friends that are teachers and what comes across to me - have many friends that are teachers and what comes across to me is - have many friends that are teachersl and what comes across to me is that they spent— and what comes across to me is that they spent a — and what comes across to me is that they spent a lot _ and what comes across to me is that they spent a lot of _ and what comes across to me is that they spent a lot of time _ and what comes across to me is that they spent a lot of time doing - and what comes across to me is that they spent a lot of time doing otheri they spent a lot of time doing other things _ they spent a lot of time doing other things they— they spent a lot of time doing other things they find _ they spent a lot of time doing other things. they find that _ they spent a lot of time doing other things. they find that a _ they spent a lot of time doing other things. they find that a lot - they spent a lot of time doing other things. they find that a lot of- things. they find that a lot of the time _ things. they find that a lot of the time is _ things. they find that a lot of the time is taken— things. they find that a lot of the time is taken up _ things. they find that a lot of the

time is taken up by— things. they find that a lot of the time is taken up by things- things. they find that a lot of the time is taken up by things that i things. they find that a lot of the i time is taken up by things that have to do— time is taken up by things that have to do with _ time is taken up by things that have to do with bureaucracy— time is taken up by things that have to do with bureaucracy and - time is taken up by things that have to do with bureaucracy and filling i to do with bureaucracy and filling in forms— to do with bureaucracy and filling in forms in— to do with bureaucracy and filling in forms in those _ to do with bureaucracy and filling in forms in those kinds _ to do with bureaucracy and filling in forms in those kinds of- to do with bureaucracy and filling in forms in those kinds of thingsl in forms in those kinds of things and i_ in forms in those kinds of things and i think— in forms in those kinds of things and i think many— in forms in those kinds of things and i think many would - in forms in those kinds of things and i think many would rather. in forms in those kinds of things - and i think many would rather spend that time _ and i think many would rather spend that time either— and i think many would rather spend that time either preparing _ and i think many would rather spend that time either preparing to - and i think many would rather spend that time either preparing to teach l that time either preparing to teach because _ that time either preparing to teach because that — that time either preparing to teach because that is _ that time either preparing to teach because that is an _ that time either preparing to teach because that is an important- that time either preparing to teachj because that is an important factor as well— because that is an important factor as well or— because that is an important factor as well or actually— because that is an important factor as well or actually teaching. - because that is an important factor as well or actually teaching. in - as well or actually teaching. in some — as well or actually teaching. in some schools _ as well or actually teaching. in some schools i _ as well or actually teaching. in some schools i think— as well or actually teaching. in some schools i think we - as well or actually teaching. in some schools i think we are i some schools i think we are expecting _ some schools i think we are expecting so _ some schools i think we are expecting so much - some schools i think we are expecting so much on - some schools i think we are expecting so much on our. some schools i think we are - expecting so much on our teacher. expecting — expecting so much on our teacher. expecting them _ expecting so much on our teacher. expecting them to _ expecting so much on our teacher. expecting them to be _ expecting so much on our teacher. expecting them to be skype - expecting so much on our teacher. expecting them to be skype —— - expecting them to be skype —— psychologists. _ expecting them to be skype —— psychologists, social— expecting them to be skype —— psychologists, social workers l expecting them to be skype ——| psychologists, social workers so expecting them to be skype —— i psychologists, social workers so i am wondering _ psychologists, social workers so i am wondering if— psychologists, social workers so i am wondering if it— psychologists, social workers so i am wondering if it is— psychologists, social workers so i am wondering if it is something l psychologists, social workers so i. am wondering if it is something that we could _ am wondering if it is something that we could explore _ am wondering if it is something that we could explore this _ am wondering if it is something that we could explore this won't - am wondering if it is something that we could explore this won't be - we could explore this won't be necessary— we could explore this won't be necessary in _ we could explore this won't be necessary in all— we could explore this won't be necessary in all schools - we could explore this won't be necessary in all schools but. we could explore this won't be necessary in all schools but in| we could explore this won't be - necessary in all schools but in some settings _ necessary in all schools but in some settings it _ necessary in all schools but in some settings it might _ necessary in all schools but in some settings it might be _ necessary in all schools but in some settings it might be right— necessary in all schools but in some settings it might be right to - necessary in all schools but in some settings it might be right to have i settings it might be right to have an in-house _ settings it might be right to have an in—house social— settings it might be right to have an in—house social worker- settings it might be right to have an in—house social worker whichl an in—house social worker which could _ an in—house social worker which could take — an in—house social worker which could take that _ an in—house social worker which could take that away— an in—house social worker which could take that away from - an in—house social worker which could take that away from the l could take that away from the teachers _ could take that away from the teachers just _ could take that away from the teachers just to _ could take that away from the teachers just to free - could take that away from the teachers just to free them - could take that away from the teachers just to free them up| could take that away from the - teachers just to free them up which would _ teachers just to free them up which would allow— teachers just to free them up which would allow them _ teachers just to free them up which would allow them just _ teachers just to free them up which would allow them just to _ teachers just to free them up which would allow them just to teach. - teachers just to free them up which| would allow them just to teach. the would allow them 'ust to teach. the iuestions would allow them just to teach. questions what you'd would would allow them just to teach. tip; questions what you'd would you would allow them just to teach. questions what you'd would you do would allow them just to teach.- questions what you'd would you do as first minister differently. my passion is to reduce inequality first i went every single child of scotland to have the same opportunities both my girls have. that is not the case currently in scotland for that we talk about the attainment gap. remember it is the poverty related attainment gap with us. we have made some progress but we have to go much further. that is

why i would continue to expand in free school meals, expand preference clubs, afterschool clubs but within a particularfocus in those clubs, afterschool clubs but within a particular focus in those areas let's look at other inequality in education. unfortunately still too many children who have a learning difficulty or autism wait far too long for a diagnosis. for me it is so important that we get them early diagnosis, early intervention that we can alter their life chances with education post so i agree a lot with both of what my colleagues have set it is important to empower teachers and giving the money into the hands of teachers because they know how to spend it best but the motivation for me, if i am first minister is to make sure that we reduce poverty, eradicate if we can. if we do that that helps the education life chances of every single child in this country. chances of every single child in this country-— this country. you have been empowered _ this country. you have been empowered here _ this country. you have been

empowered here for... - this country. you have been empowered here for... and | this country. you have been - empowered here for... and we've this country. you have been _ empowered here for... and we've made ”roress empowered here for... and we've made progress and — empowered here for... and we've made progress and we — empowered here for... and we've made progress and we have _ empowered here for... and we've made progress and we have made _ empowered here for... and we've made progress and we have made progress i progress and we have made progress on that. that is why we have made progress. let's look at education. there is more young people from deprived areas going to university than ever before. but i'm saying i want to or that progress, make more. ask the question is well how do you make sure every single child of scotland has an equal chance to stop let's move on that now. by, scotland has an equal chance to stop let's move on that now.— scotland has an equal chance to stop let's move on that now. a second big toic let's move on that now. a second big to - ic of let's move on that now. a second big topic of the — let's move on that now. a second big topic of the night. — let's move on that now. a second big topic of the night, the _ let's move on that now. a second big topic of the night, the economy. - topic of the night, the economy. this question comes from leaking. i have a small company and also am a member of snp i know that we do need a dr rescue in scotland as i am also passage, very passionate about climate change but how can i export something that will cause my family business is so much money that we may have to close. —— support. this may have to close. -- support. this is come op — may have to close. -- support. this is come up a _ may have to close. -- support. this is come up a few— may have to close. -- support. this is come up a few times _ may have to close. —— support. this

is come up a few times of the last few weeks— is come up a few times of the last few weeks and i think i was the first one — few weeks and i think i was the first one of the candidates to say that i_ first one of the candidates to say that i thought we should pause the scheme _ that i thought we should pause the scheme for exactly the reason that you have _ scheme for exactly the reason that you have just laid out. that scheme for exactly the reason that you have just laid out.— you have 'ust laid out. that many small you have just laid out. that many small producers _ you have just laid out. that many small producers and _ you have just laid out. that many small producers and retailers - you have just laid out. that many small producers and retailers are j small producers and retailers are struggling — small producers and retailers are struggling with _ small producers and retailers are struggling with what _ small producers and retailers are struggling with what is _ small producers and retailers are struggling with what is required i small producers and retailers are i struggling with what is required and we know— struggling with what is required and we know that — struggling with what is required and we know that small— struggling with what is required and we know that small business - struggling with what is required and we know that small business in - we know that small business in particular— we know that small business in particular have _ we know that small business in particular have just— we know that small business in particular have just come - we know that small business in i particular have just come through we know that small business in - particular have just come through a pandemic— particular have just come through a pandemic where _ particular have just come through a pandemic where they _ particular have just come through a pandemic where they were - particular have just come through a pandemic where they were really. pandemic where they were really struggling — pandemic where they were really struggling and _ pandemic where they were really struggling and then _ pandemic where they were really struggling and then they- pandemic where they were really struggling and then they have i pandemic where they were really. struggling and then they have now -ot struggling and then they have now got to— struggling and then they have now got to face — struggling and then they have now got to face skyrocketing _ struggling and then they have now got to face skyrocketing energy. got to face skyrocketing energy costs _ got to face skyrocketing energy costs which _ got to face skyrocketing energy costs which some _ got to face skyrocketing energy costs which some businesses i got to face skyrocketing energy. costs which some businesses are actually— costs which some businesses are actually looking _ costs which some businesses are actually looking at _ costs which some businesses are actually looking at their - costs which some businesses are actually looking at their books i costs which some businesses are. actually looking at their books and thinking. — actually looking at their books and thinking. i— actually looking at their books and thinking, i don't _ actually looking at their books and thinking, i don't know— actually looking at their books and thinking, i don't know if— actually looking at their books and thinking, i don't know if i- actually looking at their books and thinking, i don't know if i can - thinking, i don't know if i can survive — thinking, i don't know if i can survive the _ thinking, i don't know if i can survive the next _ thinking, idon't know if i can survive the next few- thinking, i don't know if i canj survive the next few months. thinking, i don't know if i can i survive the next few months. so thinking, i don't know if i can - survive the next few months. so beak can't be _ survive the next few months. so beak can't be putting — survive the next few months. so beak can't be putting too _ survive the next few months. so beak can't be putting too many— survive the next few months. so beak can't be putting too many burdens- survive the next few months. so beak can't be putting too many burdens on| can't be putting too many burdens on small— can't be putting too many burdens on small businesses— can't be putting too many burdens on small businesses which _ can't be putting too many burdens on small businesses which is _ can't be putting too many burdens on small businesses which is not - can't be putting too many burdens on small businesses which is not to - can't be putting too many burdens on small businesses which is not to sayl small businesses which is not to say that i— small businesses which is not to say that i don't— small businesses which is not to say that i don't think— small businesses which is not to say that i don't think ops— small businesses which is not to say that i don't think drs is— small businesses which is not to say that i don't think drs is good - small businesses which is not to say that i don't think drs is good in- that i don't think drs is good in principle — that i don't think drs is good in principle but _ that i don't think drs is good in principle but we _ that i don't think drs is good in principle but we need _ that i don't think drs is good in principle but we need to - that i don't think drs is good in principle but we need to talk. that i don't think drs is good in. principle but we need to talk with small— principle but we need to talk with small businesses— principle but we need to talk with small businesses about _ principle but we need to talk with small businesses about where . principle but we need to talk with small businesses about where he j principle but we need to talk with . small businesses about where he is principle but we need to talk with - small businesses about where he is a right and _ small businesses about where he is a right and then — small businesses about where he is a right and then implement. _ small businesses about where he is a right and then implement. until- small businesses about where he is a right and then implement.— right and then implement. until this leadership campaign _ right and then implement. until this leadership campaign you _ right and then implement. until this leadership campaign you were - right and then implement. until this leadership campaign you were all. leadership campaign you were all happy with this campaign you sat in the cabin in signed off on this. itlat the cabin in signed off on this. not iuite in the cabin in signed off on this. not quite in the _ the cabin in signed off on this. not quite in the point i would make is that we _ quite in the point i would make is that we need your business to be

successful because small business is the backbone of the scottish economy. in fact we cannot do everything else we are talking about like reinvesting in our public services _ like reinvesting in our public services unless we are seeing businesses like yours creating the wealth _ businesses like yours creating the wealth and employing people. so my point would be that it is not enough to have _ point would be that it is not enough to have good policies. you have to have _ to have good policies. you have to have the _ to have good policies. you have to have the competence to deliver them and deliver— have the competence to deliver them and deliver them well. that is key when it— and deliver them well. that is key when it comes to good government. and you _ when it comes to good government. and you have weathered storm after storm. _ and you have weathered storm after storm. the _ and you have weathered storm after storm, the storm of brexit and the impact _ storm, the storm of brexit and the impact of— storm, the storm of brexit and the impact of the and the impact of covid _ impact of the and the impact of covid and — impact of the and the impact of covid and closure of hospitality you are in _ covid and closure of hospitality you are in the _ covid and closure of hospitality you are in the midst of a storm with energy— are in the midst of a storm with energy prices rocketing a unity government that gives a bit of breathing space but that would be my approach _ breathing space but that would be my approach. it is not to discredit the policy. _ approach. it is not to discredit the policy. it— approach. it is not to discredit the policy. it is— approach. it is not to discredit the policy, it is to ensure it can be delivered _ policy, it is to ensure it can be delivered and whether it is your business — delivered and whether it is your business or the businesses in my highland — business or the businesses in my highland constituency that say we believe _ highland constituency that say we believe in — highland constituency that say we believe in environmental sustainability and want to invest in our future. — sustainability and want to invest in ourfuture, but

sustainability and want to invest in our future, but give us some space -- space. — our future, but give us some space —— space, answers and we will completely_ —— space, answers and we will completely pack it and that would be my approach. much as to but a return scheme _ my approach. much as to but a return scheme but _ my approach. much as to but a return scheme but indeed to every policy, we need _ scheme but indeed to every policy, we need to— scheme but indeed to every policy, we need to understand the economic impact _ we need to understand the economic impact in _ we need to understand the economic impact in a _ we need to understand the economic impact in a sure businesses like yours _ impact in a sure businesses like yours can— impact in a sure businesses like yours can still create the jobs, secure — yours can still create the jobs, secure employment and ensure you are investing _ secure employment and ensure you are investing in the scottish economy so that it _ investing in the scottish economy so that it grows and we then have the rep you _ that it grows and we then have the rep you need to reinvest in education, nhs and adult social care _ education, nhs and adult social care. ., ,., ., education, nhs and adult social care. ., ., i. ., education, nhs and adult social care. ., ., ., ., care. on that point do you do not look at enough _ care. on that point do you do not look at enough into _ care. on that point do you do not look at enough into the _ care. on that point do you do notj look at enough into the economic impact of drs. what do you think of all of the handling of this? i will not sit here _ all of the handling of this? i will not sit here and _ all of the handling of this? i will not sit here and slack _ all of the handling of this? i will not sit here and slack off- all of the handling of this? in ii. not sit here and slack off other colleagues within government but what i would say is my father's a small business owner and has been for a0 years and i'm desperately trying to get him to paris if he's watching please do retire. but a small business owner for four years and they are absolute the backbone of our economy so i think what should be done with the drs scheme i think craft breweries and makers

should be excluded and we can review that after a year, but they should be excluded because let's be honest when you and i walk out into the street here and the broken glass that litters our streets, it is not the craft brewer, it is not the craft dream maker it is the pepsi use and the cocoa colours and i don't think we should let them off the hook because those of us who, i hope all of us believe in tackling the climate emergency know how important that is. i cannot see any sense in pausing the scheme when the big boys, the coca—cola was an puppies —— patsies of the world are already taking part to let's not let them off the hook for the literate that we see on our beaches and streets from these kinds of bottles. it is a small producers. band streets from these kinds of bottles. it is a small producers.— it is a small producers. and that is wh we it is a small producers. and that is why we should _ it is a small producers. and that is why we should exclude _ it is a small producers. and that is why we should exclude them. - it is a small producers. and that is why we should exclude them. and | it is a small producers. and that is - why we should exclude them. and that is why it is so important and does what i would do first minister look at every revolution of the passing and notjust look at

at every revolution of the passing and not just look at the at every revolution of the passing and notjust look at the business but a small business impact assessment because what affects you it does not affect the same... we've actually turns the company because my husband and we have tried to speak we can solve your issue because my husband is a very intelligent man who... when you are asking earlier on... but he actually want to speak and give her solutions but he just does not seem to want to engage with us. brute but he just does not seem to want to engage with us— engage with us. we do need to reset the relationship _ engage with us. we do need to reset the relationship of _ engage with us. we do need to reset the relationship of business - engage with us. we do need to reset the relationship of business and - engage with us. we do need to reset the relationship of business and it i the relationship of business and it is to be _ the relationship of business and it is to be two way st where we listen and we _ is to be two way st where we listen and we respond to the businesses that are _ and we respond to the businesses that are the backbone of the scottish— that are the backbone of the scottish economy. to my last point in the _ scottish economy. to my last point in the reason why i have advocated a pause _ in the reason why i have advocated a pause rather— in the reason why i have advocated a pause rather thanjust exempting pause rather than just exempting

small— pause rather thanjust exempting small producers is we are six months before _ small producers is we are six months before he _ small producers is we are six months before he goes lives, we should be retrofitting solutions, we should already— retrofitting solutions, we should already have the answers to the questions — already have the answers to the questions that you need. six months before _ questions that you need. six months before we _ questions that you need. six months before we go live. and again it is a principal— before we go live. and again it is a principal here, sound policy needs competent delivery.— principal here, sound policy needs competent delivery. when it comes to the big players — competent delivery. when it comes to the big players the — competent delivery. when it comes to the big players the ones _ competent delivery. when it comes to the big players the ones that - competent delivery. when it comes to the big players the ones that are - the big players the ones that are causing the most litter and pollution on our beaches, the ones that are signed up cover around 80% of the ball and produce they are already signed up to the scheme and bought the equipment and purchased it so i don't see why a pause... it would only benefit the big players what we should do is exclude the craft do makers... one of the hallmarks of the s&p government has been that engagement. if we lose that then we lose the public will think it is so so important we never ever do that and in terms of my approach if i were first minister, i would good quite like the idea if i see government travelling around as a cabinet right across the country. we used to that pre—star—mac and i

think we should make sure we get all around the country it is that how you see it ash regan? it is that how you see it ash regan? i would say that keith and i probably have some differences on key economic principles. mr; probably have some differences on key economic principles.— probably have some differences on key economic principles. my main one with the economy _ key economic principles. my main one with the economy would _ key economic principles. my main one with the economy would be _ key economic principles. my main one with the economy would be that - key economic principles. my main one with the economy would be that we i with the economy would be that we have a situation in scotland where we can't solve all social challenges we've got. i don't see that as a failure of devolution. we are constrained by evolution. there are things we have to do and achieve. we spoke about child poverty a lot in the last few weeks which is of interest so that the people, i think. the fact that we have people going to bed in scotland cold and hungry right now is a scandal and should concern us all. my

ambition... some of these problems can't be fixed under devolution because the scottish government has spent millions of pounds mitigation, and don't say it's not good that we did that, we've been trying to mitigate the work circumstances of the uk's austerity policies which have impacted our present position. the data back set up. what i am saying is that rather than trying to make things work under devolution, if we wanted a better scotland and solve these challenges. if you want to put more money into the nhs. if we want to make sure we don't have children living in poverty, we need to get independence for scotland, so we control all the levers over the economy. brute we control all the levers over the econom . ~ . ~' we control all the levers over the economy-— economy. we will talk about this independence. _ economy. we will talk about this independence. humza _ economy. we will talk about this independence. humza yousaf. economy. we will talk about this independence. humza yousaf 20 economy. we will talk about this - independence. humza yousaf 20 talk about moving to the right economically, what do you mean question mark i believe we should build a more progressive avenger. i

think that's in big business off the hook _ think that's in big business off the hook. small business. he said he would _ hook. small business. he said he would spar— hook. small business. he said he would spar the scheme. what you could _ would spar the scheme. what you could do— would spar the scheme. what you could do is— would spar the scheme. what you could do is exclude small businesses and make _ could do is exclude small businesses and make sure big businesses are held to _ and make sure big businesses are held to account. you're talking over your talking — held to account. you're talking over your talking over to me.— your talking over to me. small businesses — your talking over to me. small businesses are _ your talking over to me. small businesses are indeed - your talking over to me. small businesses are indeed the - your talking over to me. small businesses are indeed the backbone of our— businesses are indeed the backbone of our economy _ businesses are indeed the backbone of our economy. that _ businesses are indeed the backbone of our economy. that is _ businesses are indeed the backbone of our economy. that is not- businesses are indeed the backbone of our economy. that is not large i businesses are indeed the backbone of our economy. that is not large toj of our economy. that is not large to the right _ of our economy. that is not large to the right i— of our economy. that is not large to the riiht. ~' �* of our economy. that is not large to the riiht. �* ., the right. i think you're appealing to big business _ the right. i think you're appealing to big business by _ the right. i think you're appealing to big business by letting - the right. i think you're appealing to big business by letting them i the right. i think you're appealing | to big business by letting them off the hook — to big business by letting them off the hook. in a really important scheme — the hook. in a really important scheme. climate is so important to all of— scheme. climate is so important to all of us _ scheme. climate is so important to all of us i— scheme. climate is so important to all of us. i think everyone in this room _ all of us. i think everyone in this room understands the importance of tackling _ room understands the importance of tackling climate action for some if we can't _ tackling climate action for some if we can't take action that is taken by all— we can't take action that is taken by all 44 — we can't take action that is taken by all aa other countries than we are failing — by all aa other countries than we are failing in our mission to tackle climate change. | are failing in our mission to tackle climate change.— are failing in our mission to tackle climate change. i think we've seen toda , climate change. i think we've seen today. it is — climate change. i think we've seen today, it is restricted _ climate change. i think we've seen today, it is restricted that - climate change. i think we've seen today, it is restricted that small. today, it is restricted that small businesses _ today, it is restricted that small businesses need _ today, it is restricted that small businesses need support. - today, it is restricted that small businesses need support. theyl today, it is restricted that small. businesses need support. they are the backbone — businesses need support. they are the backbone of— businesses need support. they are the backbone of the _ businesses need support. they are the backbone of the scottish - the backbone of the scottish economy _ the backbone of the scottish

economy it _ the backbone of the scottish economy. it doesn't - the backbone of the scottish economy. it doesn't have . the backbone of the scottish - economy. it doesn't have anything to do with— economy. it doesn't have anything to do with being — economy. it doesn't have anything to do with being right _ economy. it doesn't have anything to do with being right wing. _ economy. it doesn't have anything to do with being right wing. that - economy. it doesn't have anything to do with being right wing. that is- do with being right wing. that is standing — do with being right wing. that is standing up _ do with being right wing. that is standing up for— do with being right wing. that is standing up for scottish - do with being right wing. that is| standing up for scottish industry, industry— standing up for scottish industry, industry and _ standing up for scottish industry, industry and jobs _ standing up for scottish industry, industry and jobs and _ standing up for scottish industry, industry and jobs and ultimatelyl industry and jobs and ultimately those _ industry and jobs and ultimately those in — industry and jobs and ultimately those in poverty— industry and jobs and ultimately those in poverty in— industry and jobs and ultimately those in poverty in scotland - industry and jobs and ultimatelyj those in poverty in scotland that need _ those in poverty in scotland that need our — those in poverty in scotland that need our support. _ those in poverty in scotland that need our support. that- those in poverty in scotland that need our support. that is- those in poverty in scotland that need our support. that is not. those in poverty in scotland that need our support. that is not a i need our support. that is not a nurse — need our support. that is not a nurse at — need our support. that is not a nurse at a _ need our support. that is not a nurse at a rate _ need our support. that is not a nurse at a rate but _ need our support. that is not a nurse at a rate but about - nurse at a rate but about representing _ nurse at a rate but about representing the - nurse at a rate but about representing the people i nurse at a rate but about i representing the people of nurse at a rate but about _ representing the people of scotland that matter — representing the people of scotland that matter to — representing the people of scotland that matter to scotland. _ representing the people of scotland that matter to scotland. let’s - representing the people of scotland that matter to scotland.— that matter to scotland. let's find her with the _ that matter to scotland. let's find her with the audience _ that matter to scotland. let's find her with the audience think - that matter to scotland. let's find her with the audience think about| her with the audience think about whatever. thank you. all three of you are members of the snb government. you are members of the snb government-— you are members of the snb covernment. ,, �* ., , government. the snb have been in charie government. the snb have been in charge for decades _ government. the snb have been in charge for decades and _ government. the snb have been in charge for decades and for you - government. the snb have been in charge for decades and for you to l charge for decades and for you to sit here and tell me that it's going to get better. why haven't you done it before westmark is ridiculous. i don't think you answer the question but you voted for that. the thing you're arguing about. why did you vote for it? why didn't you argue these points when you had the chance rather than saying of rushed legislation which doesn't work? kate forbes. legislation which doesn't work? kate forbes- 0ne — legislation which doesn't work? kate forbes. one point. _ legislation which doesn't work? kate forbes. one point. i—

legislation which doesn't work? kate forbes. one point. i have _ legislation which doesn't work? kate forbes. one point. i have been - legislation which doesn't work? kate forbes. one point. i have been away for seven months, _ forbes. one point. i have been away for seven months, which _ forbes. one point. i have been away for seven months, which is - forbes. one point. i have been away for seven months, which is not - forbes. one point. i have been away for seven months, which is not an i for seven months, which is not an excuse. _ for seven months, which is not an excuse. for— for seven months, which is not an excuse. for some _ for seven months, which is not an excuse, for some if— for seven months, which is not an excuse, for some if you _ for seven months, which is not an excuse, for some if you seen - for seven months, which is not an| excuse, for some if you seen from snb members— excuse, for some if you seen from snb members they've _ excuse, for some if you seen from snb members they've been - excuse, for some if you seen from - snb members they've been expressing concerns _ snb members they've been expressing concerns right— snb members they've been expressing concerns. right now— snb members they've been expressing concerns. right now my— snb members they've been expressing concerns. right now myjob_ snb members they've been expressing concerns. right now myjob in- concerns. right now myjob in cabinet — concerns. right now myjob in cabinet is _ concerns. right now myjob in cabinet is to— concerns. right now myjob in cabinet is to ensure _ concerns. right now myjob in cabinet is to ensure that - concerns. right now myjob in cabinet is to ensure that the l cabinet is to ensure that the economic— cabinet is to ensure that the economic interests- cabinet is to ensure that the economic interests and - cabinet is to ensure that the - economic interests and economic position— economic interests and economic position on— economic interests and economic position on all— economic interests and economic position on all of— economic interests and economic position on all of these _ economic interests and economic position on all of these schemes i economic interests and economic. position on all of these schemes is represented — position on all of these schemes is represented wassup_ position on all of these schemes is represented wassup that's - position on all of these schemes is represented wassup that's a - position on all of these schemes is represented wassup that's a job i position on all of these schemes is. represented wassup that's a job i've taken _ represented wassup that's a job i've taken extremely _ represented wassup that's a job i've taken extremely seriously. - represented wassup that's a job i've taken extremely seriously. if- represented wassup that's a job i've taken extremely seriously. if you i taken extremely seriously. if you ask businesses— taken extremely seriously. if you ask businesses i— taken extremely seriously. if you ask businesses i engage - taken extremely seriously. if you ask businesses i engage which i taken extremely seriously. if you i ask businesses i engage which they would _ ask businesses i engage which they would vote — ask businesses i engage which they would vote for— ask businesses i engage which they would vote for that _ ask businesses i engage which they would vote for that point. - ask businesses i engage which they would vote for that point.— would vote for that point. humza yousaf you _ would vote for that point. humza yousaf you were _ would vote for that point. humza yousaf you were at _ would vote for that point. humza yousaf you were at the _ would vote for that point. humza yousaf you were at the cavity - would vote for that point. humza l yousaf you were at the cavity when this policy was signed. i yousaf you were at the cavity when this policy was signed.— this policy was signed. i believe in the oli this policy was signed. i believe in the policy and _ this policy was signed. i believe in the policy and bring _ this policy was signed. i believe in the policy and bring it _ this policy was signed. i believe in the policy and bring it live - this policy was signed. i believe in the policy and bring it live and - the policy and bring it live and autumn — the policy and bring it live and autumn. what i'm saying is it should exclude _ autumn. what i'm saying is it should exclude small businesses. 30 autumn. what i'm saying is it should exclude small businesses.— autumn. what i'm saying is it should exclude small businesses. so why did ou su: est exclude small businesses. so why did you suggest that _ exclude small businesses. so why did you suggest that when _ exclude small businesses. so why did you suggest that when it _ exclude small businesses. so why did you suggest that when it was - exclude small businesses. so why did you suggest that when it was being i you suggest that when it was being discussed? . ., , , ., discussed? recent lease small businesses _ discussed? recent lease small businesses have _ discussed? recent lease small businesses have raised - discussed? recent lease small i businesses have raised concerns. discussed? recent lease small - businesses have raised concerns. so it's right _ businesses have raised concerns. so it's right that we raise their concerns— it's right that we raise their concerns and remove it from the scheme — concerns and remove it from the scheme i'm _ concerns and remove it from the scheme. i'm not saying that we scrapped — scheme. i'm not saying that we scrapped the scheme altogether. my colleagues believe we should posit.

i we should posit in that the big players — i we should posit in that the big players off the hook. push i we should posit in that the big players off the hook. ash regan. i actually rejoined _ players off the hook. ash regan. i actually rejoined from _ players off the hook. ash regan. i| actually rejoined from government last year,. actually re'oined from government last ear,. ,., , ., last year,. over something similar. in the last year,. over something similar. in the sense _ last year,. over something similar. in the sense that _ last year,. over something similar. in the sense that we _ last year,. over something similar. in the sense that we were - last year,. over something similar. in the sense that we were feeling l last year,. over something similar. | in the sense that we were feeling to listen to the public over issues. i think the drs it is maybe one example of where the government doesn't engage in advance, let's say. if you engage in advance, people like yourself up to put forward where the issues are and i and these things are before you get to stage. now we get to the point where some businesses have signed up and other businesses don't know how they will make it work we need to litter listen better to the public and i think we're going to the point and i think we're going to the point a little bit in some areas and people know what i'm talking about wassup it seems that the government isn't in touch with the priorities of people and the government is listening. if i first minister i would look to improve that and listen to the public and the

priorities they have. you think the government has lost touch with the priorities of the people here? idat touch with the priorities of the people here?— touch with the priorities of the people here? touch with the priorities of the --eole here? ., ., ., .,, , people here? not all areas but if we call the at that — people here? not all areas but if we call the at that taking _ people here? not all areas but if we call the at that taking gender - call the at that taking gender reform as an example, that was a policy where there were many people trying to advise the government and explained to them, where there was conflicts with a quality law and so on and where there may be risk to women and girls myself included but there were lots of people turn to do that, notjust me and at every turn we were all told that there are concerns were not valid i think was the phrase used. so we cannot do that. we have to listen to the public will stop we are all here because we are elected by the public with the parliament works for the people of scotland, not the other way around. so we are unable to make the case of the public and take them with us and we need to think about that and we need to reset on our priorities. riiiet that and we need to reset on our riorities. , . ,, ., . ., priorities. get back. i notice a debate where there _ priorities. get back. i notice a debate where there will- priorities. get back. i notice a debate where there will be i priorities. get back. i notice a i debate where there will be some people _ debate where there will be some people who agree with the legislation and some people will of course _ legislation and some people will of course disagree but we have debated hundreds— course disagree but we have debated hundreds of amendments for hours and

hours _ hundreds of amendments for hours and hours and _ hundreds of amendments for hours and hours and what is really important and i_ hours and what is really important and i say — hours and what is really important and i say this is a minority myself in the _ and i say this is a minority myself in the country. it is important that even _ in the country. it is important that even as— in the country. it is important that even as an — in the country. it is important that even as an issue does not necessarily have all of the public support — necessarily have all of the public support that we would want, that the leadership— support that we would want, that the leadership is to lead. when it comes to one _ leadership is to lead. when it comes to one of— leadership is to lead. when it comes to one of the most marginalised communities in the world, i suspect, certainly— communities in the world, i suspect, certainly in _ communities in the world, i suspect, certainly in this country, making that process for gender recognition reform _ that process for gender recognition reform that little bit easier i think— reform that little bit easier i think is _ reform that little bit easier i think is. . , ., reform that little bit easier i think is. . , , ., think is. have you been listening to the --eole think is. have you been listening to the people as _ think is. have you been listening to the people as a _ think is. have you been listening to the people as a government - think is. have you been listening to the people as a government or - think is. have you been listening to| the people as a government or have you lost posture on issues is the question. i you lost posture on issues is the tuestion. ~' , you lost posture on issues is the tuestion. ,, _, , ., question. i think continuity of the status quo _ question. i think continuity of the status quo is _ question. i think continuity of the status quo is not _ question. i think continuity of the status quo is not good _ question. i think continuity of the status quo is not good enough i status quo is not good enough continuity— status quo is not good enough continuity will— status quo is not good enough continuity will not _ status quo is not good enough continuity will not cut - status quo is not good enough continuity will not cut it - status quo is not good enough continuity will not cut it and i status quo is not good enough| continuity will not cut it and no party _ continuity will not cut it and no party can — continuity will not cut it and no party can assume _ continuity will not cut it and no party can assume that - continuity will not cut it and no party can assume that it - continuity will not cut it and no party can assume that it can i party can assume that it can maintain _ party can assume that it can maintain the _ party can assume that it can maintain the trust _ party can assume that it can maintain the trust of - party can assume that it can maintain the trust of the - party can assume that it can - maintain the trust of the people and confidence _ maintain the trust of the people and confidence of— maintain the trust of the people and confidence of the _ maintain the trust of the people and confidence of the people _ maintain the trust of the people and confidence of the people unless - maintain the trust of the people and confidence of the people unless it. confidence of the people unless it ensures _ confidence of the people unless it ensures it— confidence of the people unless it ensures it is— confidence of the people unless it ensures it is listening. _ confidence of the people unless it ensures it is listening. i— confidence of the people unless it ensures it is listening. i think- ensures it is listening. i think that— ensures it is listening. i think that we — ensures it is listening. i think that we have _ ensures it is listening. i think that we have to _ ensures it is listening. i think that we have to improve - ensures it is listening. i think that we have to improve ourl that we have to improve our outcomes _ that we have to improve our outcomes. all— that we have to improve our outcomes. all of— that we have to improve our outcomes. all of us - that we have to improve our outcomes. all of us are - that we have to improve our. outcomes. all of us are agreed that we have to improve our- outcomes. all of us are agreed that we want _ outcomes. all of us are agreed that we want to— outcomes. all of us are agreed that we want to ensure _ outcomes. all of us are agreed that we want to ensure our— outcomes. all of us are agreed that we want to ensure our children- outcomes. all of us are agreed that| we want to ensure our children have a good _ we want to ensure our children have a good education _ we want to ensure our children have a good education system _ we want to ensure our children have a good education system was - we want to ensure our children have a good education system was that i we want to ensure our children have i a good education system was that the nhs works— a good education system was that the nhs works that — a good education system was that the nhs works that the _ a good education system was that the nhs works that the economy- a good education system was that the nhs works that the economy is - nhs works that the economy is growing — nhs works that the economy is growing these _ nhs works that the economy is growing these are _ nhs works that the economy is growing these are the - nhs works that the economy is| growing these are the priorities nhs works that the economy is - growing these are the priorities not least in _

growing these are the priorities not least in a _ growing these are the priorities not least in a cost—of—living _ growing these are the priorities not least in a cost—of—living crisis- least in a cost—of—living crisis where — least in a cost—of—living crisis where many— least in a cost—of—living crisis where many people - least in a cost—of—living crisis where many people don't- least in a cost—of—living crisis. where many people don't know least in a cost—of—living crisis- where many people don't know how they will— where many people don't know how they will pay — where many people don't know how they will pay next _ where many people don't know how they will pay next month's - where many people don't know how they will pay next month's energy. they will pay next month's energy bill. they will pay next month's energy bill these — they will pay next month's energy bill. these are _ they will pay next month's energy bill. these are the _ they will pay next month's energy bill. these are the priorities- they will pay next month's energy bill. these are the priorities we i bill. these are the priorities we have _ bill. these are the priorities we have to — bill. these are the priorities we have to reset _ bill. these are the priorities we have to reset and _ bill. these are the priorities we have to reset and we _ bill. these are the priorities we have to reset and we have - bill. these are the priorities we have to reset and we have to i bill. these are the priorities wei have to reset and we have to air bill. these are the priorities we i have to reset and we have to air in the trust _ have to reset and we have to air in the trust of— have to reset and we have to air in the trust of the _ have to reset and we have to air in the trust of the people _ have to reset and we have to air in the trust of the people because i the trust of the people because there are — the trust of the people because there are many— the trust of the people because there are many other— the trust of the people because there are many other party- the trust of the people because - there are many other party speaking into the _ there are many other party speaking into the space — there are many other party speaking into the space. we _ there are many other party speaking into the space-— there are many other party speaking into the space. we have talked about ublic into the space. we have talked about public services _ into the space. we have talked about public services so _ into the space. we have talked about public services so far, _ into the space. we have talked about public services so far, the _ into the space. we have talked about public services so far, the economy, | public services so far, the economy, before we come onto independence, we will have a section now called next first ministers questions. where for further five minutes each candidate will face questions aimed just at them. alphabetically based on first name here. starting with ash regan. the first question coming from kate dockerty. the first question coming from kate docke . ~ , , ., the first question coming from kate docke .~ , ., ,, the first question coming from kate docke . ~ , ., ,, ., dockerty. why if you are so keen to involve the — dockerty. why if you are so keen to involve the other— dockerty. why if you are so keen to involve the other parties _ dockerty. why if you are so keen to involve the other parties from - involve the other parties from the wider independence movement are you less keen to work with the green party? less keen to work with the green .a ? ., , ., ., less keen to work with the green a? party? that is a fair question. i want to work _ party? that is a fair question. i want to work with _ party? that is a fair question. i want to work with all _ want to work with all pro—independence parties of the other— pro—independence parties of the other night i did not quite express

my self— other night i did not quite express my self correctly for what i meant to say _ my self correctly for what i meant to say is _ my self correctly for what i meant to say is that i called everyone and most _ to say is that i called everyone and most called back. so the greens do not catt— most called back. so the greens do not call me — most called back. so the greens do not call me back but i did try to reach _ not call me back but i did try to reach out — not call me back but i did try to reach out to them and i am keen to talk to them, actually the terms of the wider— talk to them, actually the terms of the wider movement... so talk to them, actually the terms of the wider movement. . ._ talk to them, actually the terms of the wider movement... so you still not talk to? _ the wider movement. .. so you still not talk to? i— the wider movement... so you still not talk to? i have _ the wider movement... so you still not talk to? i have been _ the wider movement... so you still not talk to? i have been quite - the wider movement... so you still| not talk to? i have been quite busy, ou can not talk to? i have been quite busy, you can understand. _ not talk to? i have been quite busy, you can understand. so _ not talk to? i have been quite busy, you can understand. so if— not talk to? i have been quite busy, you can understand. so ifi have - you can understand. so if i have some _ you can understand. so if i have sometime _ you can understand. so if i have some time tomorrow i will try to reach out — some time tomorrow i will try to reach out again. in terms of the wider movement i think we have to all work— wider movement i think we have to all work together and the greens are key part— all work together and the greens are key part of— all work together and the greens are key part of that clearly and that wider _ key part of that clearly and that wider setting, but we have just had a conversation about different priorities— a conversation about different priorities on the economy and things drs so_ priorities on the economy and things drs so in— priorities on the economy and things drs so in government i think we are aligned _ drs so in government i think we are aligned in— drs so in government i think we are aligned in some areas independence the obvious, but in others we are hot _ the obvious, but in others we are not so— the obvious, but in others we are not so what— the obvious, but in others we are not. so what i'm saying is that i'm perhaps— not. so what i'm saying is that i'm perhaps probably different from some other candidates in thinking that we need to— other candidates in thinking that we need to review that and make sure it works _ need to review that and make sure it works for people of scotland because as we _ works for people of scotland because as we said _ works for people of scotland because as i've said some areas where we have _ as i've said some areas where we have had — as i've said some areas where we have had issues perhaps if it was 'ust have had issues perhaps if it was just and — have had issues perhaps if it was just and snp government maybe we would _ just and snp government maybe we would have had more movement but if these _ would have had more movement but if these are _ would have had more movement but if these are red lines for the greens a meahs_ these are red lines for the greens a

means you — these are red lines for the greens a means you are more constrained what you could _ means you are more constrained what you could do — means you are more constrained what you could do. so i'm continue to happy— you could do. so i'm continue to happy to— you could do. so i'm continue to happy to be _