this is bbc news. the headlines: donald trump says he will be arrested on tuesday and has called on his supporters to protest. it's not yet clear what charges, if any, he is facing. the former pakistani prime minister imran khan has left the high court in islamabad. the court said that the hearing is not possible amid protests outside. he's facing corruption charges which he says are politically motivated. the uk's home secretary suella braverman is in rwanda to discuss a controversial agreement to deport migrants who come to the uk illegally. some human rights groups say the plan breaks international law.

turmoil at the scottish national party as the chief executive and husband of party leader nicola sturgeon peter murrell resigns in a row over party membership. a dedicated father who took a photo of his son every day for the first 21 years of his life, says it's been a joy to capture his child growing up. ian mcleod, from harrogate, wanted to make sure he didn't forget a moment of cory�*s childhood, so picked up his camera and started snapping. now cory, who's aged 30, has taken over photo duties and is continuing the project. what if i took his photo every day? it would be pretty cool to see birth until death, sol it would be pretty cool to see birth until death, so i think i'm going to keep— until death, so i think i'm going to keep going — until death, so i think i'm going to keep going until the end. | until death, so i think i'm going to keep going until the end. i had until death, so i think i'm going to

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covered much else too — gay marriage, brexit, the windrush scandal, and the black lives matter movement. gary left as a full—time journalism at the guardian in 2020 to become professor of sociology at the university of manchester. although he continues write articles for various publications and books. his new one is a collection of his journalism called dispatches from the diaspora. gary younge, welcome to the media show. let's go back to some of where it all began. you studied french and russian at heriot—watt university in edinburgh, and then in yourfinal year you received a scott trust bursary from the guardian to study journalism. and i think you were quite clear at that point that you wanted to be a columnist. why? because i had been very politically involved and my entry into writing was partly because i'd studied languages and studied to be an interpreter and i like to to manipulate words,

but it was also because i had been very involved politically, almost precociously, and that i thought i had things to say. and what i didn't realise at the time was the degree to which reporting, running out and talking to people, finding out, all of that, is the nuts and bolts of everything, including column writing. so as someone who hadn't done an awful lot ofjournalism and heriot—watt didn't have a student newspaper for the first couple of years we were there, my sense of being a journalist was about writing my thoughts and, of course, because i was 21 or 22 i also assumed that everybody would be interested in my thoughts, which, when i look back at it now is a little bit fanciful. well, i don't know, it does show a certain kind of confidence, which a really late, reading your book it made me wonder how much was your mum's influence.

a lot of it had to do with my mum and my upbringing. my mum was born in barbados, came to britain as a 19—year—old, was first a nurse and then became a teacher. had three kids, then my dad left when i was 15 months old — i was the youngest. and so she had this project. we were her project. we were her kids first of all. she used to pad around the living room with me on her feet and play young gifted and black by bob and marcia and say "look, they're playing our song." and it was this kind of this act of hope and belief that, this is the early 1970s, britain is in a pretty dark place and also literally because there were kind of blackouts and things but also racially and otherwise. and my mum had this sense that, well, we're just going to have to imagine the world that you are going to live in and we're

going to have to imagine a place in your world that we have no evidence of. you get your education and then you make your choices. and if you want to be a columnist, be a columnist! you know, that would have been so far removed from anything we would even have imagined at that time and the notion that you can make a living writing was actually not something that occurred to me until very late. 0k. let's fast forward a bit from then, but presumably is still not making much money writing, 1994, you were sent by the guardian to south africa to govern the country's first democratic elections. why did they choose you and what was it like to be a witness to such historic change? well, they chose me because they were — first of all, i had got a bursary from the guardian so i was known. and i was — when i... when i interviewed for the bursary

i talked about my work in the anti—apartheid movement to alan rusbridger who would become the editor. and it was a kind of typical liberal dilemma. they knew that there were stories that white journalists couldn't get in south africa in run—up to the elections, but they hadn't employed enough blackjournalists that they want to send, actually, barely any that they want to send. so they looked around for someone who is young, cheap, and black to send them to see what was out there. and i was the youngest, cheapest, blackest thing in the office. so out i went. but then south africa is quite a difficult place to navigate if you can't drive, and so i would get lifts from people and i ended up getting a lift with a tv crew who were doing an official account of mandela. they dropped me at a gas station and said there are some others coming through to pick you up and they were mandela's bodyguards. and, frankly, i amused them and made

it my business to amuse them. i had been involved in the anti—apartheid movement, i had studied in the soviet union, as had they. they would let me drive around with them. and so i stumbled onto this kind of front row seat and it was the most stunning thing to be around. now, bearing in mind i had been involved in the anti—apartheid movement, i had picketed the south african embassy with my mum, aged 18, when apartheid was still going on. and so to be in some ramshackle stadium in the middle of nowhere, because that's where apartheid put black people, and to see kind of old toothless women and young barefoot children dancing around waiting in the cavalcade coming up and seeing it kicking up the dust tens of miles away and the cheering starting and the waving and the screening and the ululating and the mandela arise and just to be

in that moment and to be 25 and tojustjust kind of think "wow, wow." it was incredible. and how did the piece go down? the correspondent at the time, david beresford, a lovely man who unfortunately died not so long ago, he said it's all here, but it's alljumbled up. and he said you've spent too long and you can't see it anymore. he sent me out for a drink and he said you're just going to have to stay up all night and just kind of, you know, whip it into shape. and so i did, and by the time ifound it, i couldn't really see what i'd done. and the piece was going through the system at the guardian and i managed to get a kind of connection from a computer and i started seeing all these notes coming through from colleagues and then alan rusbridger, the deputy editor and peter preston, which is a big moment, all sort of saying this

is a wonderful piece and well done and, you know... relief. i wanted to start crying, it was just very, very relief of which there are no words. we have met some pretty incredible people in your career, not least, how did you end up getting drunk in maya angelou's limousine? for that we have la traffic to thank. and i had 45 minutes with her. when the 45 minutes were over she said just hang back and then she took me for lunch and then she had something to do so she got me a room in the hotel so i could sleep, and then we went to her event and then on the way back from the event there was this huge la trafficjam, it was like a big car park and we were in her limo and she said, she had this kind of purring voice, she said "would you like some whiskey, mr younge?" and i said, "ooh, yeah,

that would be nice," and her assistant said "do you want ice and stuff, ms angelou?" and she said, "a little bit of ice and a lot of stuff. and so these huge whiskeys came out and then there was more whiskey and then there was more. it was a big trafficjam. by the time i'd got out of the car i was pretty hammered and i think she was too, although she was in better shape and i was, she could drink me under the table. and ijust thought, you know, i don't need many days like this in my life, one day this will carry me on for quite a long time. you moved to america in 1996. you ended up spending more than half your career working there for the guardian. was it initially difficult as an outsider to understand what made that country tick? it was. for some things it always was, to be honest, guns. i've never quite understood,

although, you know, i got further than i was at the beginning. and, you know, in a way, as a foreign correspondent, not understanding is a bit of a gift, really, because then you can go and find out. but it was like anthropology, really, you could kind of prod around and it would work quite well in moments of kind of where other americanjournalists might not want to go, you know, having steak with a bunch of trump republicans, and it would be, you know. "funny, why do you think that?" and it would be my m0 for an awful lot of interviews. but as time goes on — my wife is american and i had two kids there — you become invested and it stops being anthropology and it starts — you've got skin in the game. and you start thinking "that's my kids you're talking about.

that's my neighbourhood you were talking about." even if it's not directly your neighbourhood. you start knowing people who don't have healthcare as friends, knowing people who are undocumented and can't go to their parents' funeral. and then it stops becoming interesting, perse, and becomes quite personal. you covered so many important stories while you were in america, the iraq war, the election of president obama, occupy wall street, the tea party. but i think reporting on hurricane katrina over the course of the years stands out, why is that? i felt that in that moment the contradictions of america's kind of race and class were laid bare. that there were all sorts of ways in which they could be finessed, anybody who tries hard enough can do this or that and, you know, the civil rights era was a long time ago,

even though it wasn't, and we have equality now and so on. obama was known by this stage, but there was no sense that he would ever be president, it would be a really weird idea then. and so to see who could escape and who couldn't escape and why they couldn't escape, is a public disaster so you have a public response, but this was a private response — a privatised response. so if you didn't have a car, if you didn't have the money for a motel, and it came at the end of the month, if you hadn't been paid, you couldn't go. and so to see that all washed up and then to see the response is a moment where michael brown, the head of the federal emergency management says, "we're seeing people that we didn't know existed." and i thought never a truer word has been said. it was hard with the book, because it's an anthology, you have to kind of pick a piece

and go with it. and i actually went to new orleans several times over a couple of years after katrina and it was very hard to pick one. it was such a devastating occurrence and it was one of those moments where you couldn'tjust gloss over it. and so kind of the american media in that moment kind of discovered race and class in a way that teenagers kind of discover sex, you know, it was kind of careless and urgent and just a little bit too eager. i wanted do speak specifically on race, in 2015 you wrote in your farewell piece to america about a period of protracted regional conflict that you witnessed including murder of unarmed black men, trayvon martin, eric garner, what was that experience like for you reporting on those stories? there's a really interesting thing that happened with black lives matter

in particular, which was that it wasn't and it hasn't been that more black people were being killed by the police, it was that, for whatever reason, partly it's new technology we can take pictures and distribute and amplify, people were paying attention in a way they had before. and it problematised an adage that i learned atjournalism school, which was "when a dog bites a man that's not a story, but when a man bites a dog that is a story." and i started to think during that time, you know, sometimes, actually, news asks owns these dogs and why do the same people keep getting bitten and what can we do to control these dogs? that actually black people had been living people had been living with this for decades and it

wasn't news because the people who decide what's news decided that it wasn't newsworthy. that was a failure ofjournalism? absolutely a failure of news journalism. and for reasons, i'm not entirely sure why, it became news, and you don't have to be black to get this, but if you are black, not typically, your son who was big for his age... in terms of your fears of what might happen to your son? yeah, it was a good example of it is no longer anthropology. there was an incident in the park nearby where my son was having a water fight with other kids and he splashed this woman and she started screaming at him. i went up to her and asked why she is screaming at my son and then she started screaming at me, and i asked her to stop screaming at me and she said, "who are you? you are nobody! that is who you are!"

i stood back thinking 0k, 0k, ok, this is where we. i had literally flown up from ferguson that morning. you left america i think a year before trump was elected and we have seen more polarisation in the country since. do you think the media had a role to play is exacerbating those divisions in america? certainly, if you look at fox news or nbc or the way in which you have cable television, kind of amplifying division in a range of ways, to that extent, certainly, yes. beyond that, i think that the kind of divisions are, are true. i think the divisions would be there anywhere. i think there is a racial and economic fault line and the racial fault line is that white people will be a minority, probably in the next

decade or maybe more, and you can see they are really feeling that in places like arizona, new mexico, and struggling to — and some of them struggling to get their heads around that. and then an economic fallout because wages have been stagnant for kind of half a century. poverty was a really serious, serious problem for an awful lot of people. so you put those two things together and you have the ingredients for division, whether the media have been responsible or not. but the media was able to amplify, particularly tv media, amplify and exaggerate, to the point where people knew different facts about the world and, so, having a conversation with someone was difficult because you say it is tuesday

and they say it is wednesday and, well, that is difficult to sort your calendars out if that is what you are dealing with. you talk about tv, i mean, you did continue to report from america in tv documentaries and in 2017, an clip of you interviewing the american white supremacist richard spencer, for channel 4, went viral. you are really proud of your racism, aren't you? you're really proud to be a bigot? i'm proud to be a white man. that's different to being proud to be a bigot. if africans had never existed, world history would be almost exactly the same because we are the genius that drives it. crosstalk. how do you deny that? sorry? how can you really deny that? you are talking nonsense! how am i talking nonsense? you'll never be an englishman. you don't get to tell me what i will be. i do actually. my name is richard spencer. my name is richard spencer and i approve this message? did you agonise over whether interviewing spencer gave him a platform and how did you reach that decision?

i did agonise about it and agonised after it because i think it's important not to give oxygen to people like that. my view was he already had oxygen and doing that documentary, there were several people who i refused to interview that they wanted me to interview, from the ku klux klan and random bigots, but he, because of his, because of being in the alt right and the connection to steve bannon, and steve bannon's connection to trump, i thought there was a legitimate reason. my aim in interviewing him, the first question i ask is, you want a white ethnostate. what is that? my aim was to be tough but to allow him to speak, but he quickly descended

into a range of insults, and this thing ofjust telling me i'm not english, which... ijust kept telling him that is not your call, actually. that decision making process, it feels like a part of an ongoing debate of what the role of a journalist is and it feels generational now that people, hate to say, our age, but olderjournalists tend to think along those lines and perhaps younger ones are saying you should not give these people a platform at all? there is a challenging balance, i think, because, and this was the very beginning of my media career, i was working for yorkshire television on a magazine programme called the world this week. i was asked, because i was employed because of my languages, to call front nationale to ask for an interview with jean—marie le pen and i refused, and i said they are 7% in the polls.

this is titilation. you can do it. i will not do it. i was an intern and i said i understand you can fire me for insubordination. but i will not do it. did they fire you? no, they didn't because — the stakes are so low for everybody. i was an intern. i could get an internship somewhere else. they were barely paying me. but my view was, my view would be now, it would be very difficult argument to say you should not interview marine le pen now when she is second, quite often, in the polls that the politics has broken down and you have to engage with it. you're not saying interviewing someone doesn't give them a platform you are saying they already had a platform? when they have a platform... then it is justified. well, otherwise, what will you do? never speak to them? let's take donald trump. should journalists never interview him ?

he's the president. should you never interview him or should you be trying to hold him to account so in a moment where people have power, you to hold them to account and myjudgement was that, richard spencer in this case, was moving into the realms of power. now, it is a judgement, so i think it is a very legitimate question of should you or should you not, but it was my call. in that case, it made sense. before we end, when you look back at your career, which story, are there stories you're most proud of? the story i am most proud of is claudette colvin, who was the woman who was kicked off the bus before rosa parks in montgomery, alabama, and they were going to go with her. she was going to be the one. the one they held up as the... she was going to be the standardbearer, she was very dark and on the wrong side of town

and then she got pregnant when she was 15, 16 and so they decided not to. it took me a couple of years to find her. she was working as a nurse's aid in the bronx and as well as it being a fascinating story, i also felt that it made some kind of contribution to her understanding, to my understanding of how the world works. gary younge, thank you for coming on the media show. thank you for having me. hello there. it has been a morning of mixed fortunes. quite a lot of cloud around this morning, but a favoured few have seen some lovely spells of sunshine, as you can see from this weather watcher from lancashire earlier on. however, there has also been some showers, and some of them are really

quite heavy at times. this was loose, in kent. and i will show you just where the showers have been so far. it is all about low pressure that is dominating out to the west at the moment, and we have got this eclectic, messy mix of frontal systems which will, from time to time, enhance the showers. so, so far today, we have seen some across parts of western scotland into central scotland, and also down into the south—east of england. there are some showers elsewhere, and as we go through the afternoon, if you catch one of those showers, due to the light winds, they could be pretty slow moving indeed. so, by the middle part of the afternoon, it looks likely that it is going to be a case of sunny spells and scattered showers almost anywhere across england and wales. if you dodge the showers and you keep some sunshine coming through, temperatures on the mild side still, 13—15 the high. a line of more organised showery rain moves out of northern ireland into western fringes of scotland, with some heavier bursts to the extreme north, slowly heading towards the northern isles, which is still sitting in the cold air, only expecting

a high of 5—6 by the middle part of the afternoon. so, as we close out the day on saturday, the winds will pick up, the rain will move to the northern isles, we will have a trailing weather front weakening, just a band of cloud easing away. and as skies clear, those temperatures are going to fall away, so it will be a slightly chilly start to sunday morning in comparison to of late, but hopefully it will be a sunnier start for most of us. so, not a bad prospect on sunday. gradually we will start to see some cloud pushing in from the west ahead of this weather front that will arrive into northern ireland by the end of the afternoon. but all in all, not a bad mothering sunday for most, 8—13 the high. still that little bit cooler into the northern isles. but then from monday onwards, the change comes once again to some wet and windy weather as a series of weather fronts push in off the atlantic. so, for the start of the working week, it looks likely to stay unsettled with showers or longer spells of rain at times. the temperatures pretty much, though, where they should be

for this time of year. take care.

this is bbc news. welcome if you're watching here in the uk, or around the globe. our top stories... donald trump says he will be arrested on tuesday and has called on his supporters to protest. it's not yet clear what charges, if any, he is facing. the former pakistani prime minister imran khan has left the high court in islamabad. the court said that the hearing is not possible amid protests outside. he's facing corruption charges which he says are politically motivated. us presidentjoe biden has welcomed the international criminal court's arrest warrant against russia's vladimir putin. the icc have accused president putin of committing war crimes in ukraine.