hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones. you're watching the context on bbc news. it's a tiktok proformace that's grabbing attention, the ceo of the video—sharing site responds to some tough questions from american lawmakers. shou zi chew did his best to reassure, but can he slow the growing calls for the popular app to be banned? concerns over tracking devices used forfollowing people — one former love island star warns of the dangers after she finds one planted in her bag. world athletics issues new guidance on transgender athletes in competition — saying they cannot take part against people born with the male sex.

——part against people born with the female sex. tonight with the context, jack blanchard, the uk editor for politico and ron christie former adviser to george w bush. welcome to the programme. us lawmakers have been questioning show xi chew, the ceo of video—sharing app tiktok, amid growing calls for it to be banned. the app has grown rapidly in the us, where it has 150 million monthly users. he's been giving evidence to a congressional committee over security concerns. he faced questions over tiktok�*s relationship with the chinese state, the data it collects and what it then does with that data. when facing questions from the house committee on energy and commerce, the chair cathy mcmorris rodgers show zi chew said...

"let me start by addressing a few misconceptions about bytedance, of which we are a subsidiary. bytedance is not owned or controlled by the chinese government and is a private company." later on in the hearing, chair cathy mcmorris rodgers said lets have a listen to some of what tiktok ceo shou zi chew had to say during the hearing. us tiktok data is stored by default in oracle servers. only vetted personnel operating in a new company called tiktok us data security can control access to this data. additionally, we have plans for this company to report to an independent american board with strong security credentials. now, there is still some work to do. we have legacy us data sitting on our servers in virginia and singapore. we are deleting those and we expect that to be complete this year. when that is done, all us data will be under the protection of us law and under the control of the us—led security team.

and committee chair cathy mcmorris rodgers didn't hold back as she addressed tiktok�*s ceo shou zi chew. i expect today you will say anything to avoid this outcome, like you are, "100% responsible" for what tiktok does, that you suddenly endorse a national data privacy standard, that project texas is more than a marketing scheme, that tiktok doesn't harm our innocent children, or that your ties to the chinese communist party through bytedance isjust a myth. we are not buying it. joining me now is anton dahbura, who is the executive director ofjohns hopkins university information security institute. thank you very much for coming on the programme. thank you very much for coming on the programme-— thank you very much for coming on the programme. thanks for having me. these hearings — the programme. thanks for having me. these hearings that _ the programme. thanks for having me. these hearings that we _ the programme. thanks for having me. these hearings that we just _ the programme. thanks for having me. these hearings that we just saw - the programme. thanks for having me. these hearings that we just saw a - these hearings that we just saw a bit of there, they tend to be a bit of theatre and lots of the kind of heat that is generated out of them,

perhaps you have to take with a pinch of salt, but can you explain to ask what are the risks here that politicians are worried about? weill. politicians are worried about? well, there are reel— politicians are worried about? well, there are real risks, _ politicians are worried about? well, there are real risks, and _ politicians are worried about? well, there are real risks, and it- politicians are worried about? well, there are real risks, and it is- politicians are worried about? -ii there are real risks, and it is very common, this is reallyjust the tip of the iceberg, but something has common as location data for a user can really be used by a nation state oran can really be used by a nation state or an adversary as a threat to national security, knowing where i am, where i work, who i associate with, even casually, can lead adversaries who determined that i am adversaries who determined that i am a person of interest, it can lead to systems, information and other assets that are of interest to them stop i will pay you a couple of responses from tiktok on that that we heard this afternoon. one is this is an american data, it is held in the us only by us companies, there

is no involvement. are you be assured by that? i think that the spotlight is on tiktok right now, so i am mildly reassured as long as the united states government and other agencies are auditing, monitoring tiktok, but there is a larger issue that we can get into and that is of data privacy. it could be any act, any mobile device, any appliance connected to the internet, it is much larger than tiktok. that was art of much larger than tiktok. that was part of their _ much larger than tiktok. that was part of their arguments, _ much larger than tiktok. that was part of their arguments, that - much larger than tiktok. that was part of their arguments, that they| part of their arguments, that they have repeatedly said, listen, the way we handle data, treat data, our policies are pretty much in line with every other app and completely like ourselves.— like ourselves. that's unfortunately true. m like ourselves. that's unfortunately true- my hepe _ like ourselves. that's unfortunately true- my hepe is — like ourselves. that's unfortunately true. my hope is that _ like ourselves. that's unfortunately true. my hope is that this _ like ourselves. that's unfortunately true. my hope is that this is - like ourselves. that's unfortunately true. my hope is that this is the - true. my hope is that this is the door opener for a true. my hope is that this is the door openerfor a much true. my hope is that this is the door opener for a much larger conversation and an urgent conversation and an urgent conversation in the united states about getting out front of the user data privacy issue and striking a

balance between privacy and functionality. we are way behind the european union and other countries in this regard. i5 european union and other countries in this regard-— in this regard. is there a problem that actually _ in this regard. is there a problem that actually once _ in this regard. is there a problem that actually once it _ in this regard. is there a problem that actually once it is _ in this regard. is there a problem that actually once it is out - in this regard. is there a problem that actually once it is out there, | that actually once it is out there, once people has shared as much as they have and they are very used to it and get the benefits of personalisation and whatever benefits people get, it is been very difficult to roll it back on. it is difficult to roll it back on. it is difficult to _ difficult to roll it back on. it is difficult to unring _ difficult to roll it back on. it is difficult to unring the - difficult to roll it back on. it 3 difficult to unring the bill, so to speak. however, we and other research institutions are working on advanced technology to be able to balance and get the best of both worlds of privacy and functionality so users shouldn't necessarily fear that it so users shouldn't necessarily fear thatitis so users shouldn't necessarily fear that it is one extreme or the other. we are confident that there are reasonable technical solutions that can be developed for the future. we are not there right now. this is a terrible place we are in. the phrase that i often — terrible place we are in. the phrase that i often use _ terrible place we are in. the phrase that i often use is _ terrible place we are in. the phrase that i often use is the _ terrible place we are in. the phrase that i often use is the difficulties i

that i often use is the difficulties of putting the toothpaste back in the tube, for some reason that the voice comes to mind in situations like this. let's bring it to the uk, because tiktok is in the news here. that is correct. the uk parliament has announced today that lawmakers, mps here _ has announced today that lawmakers, mps here in _ has announced today that lawmakers, mps here in britain are banned from using _ mps here in britain are banned from using it _ mps here in britain are banned from using it on _ mps here in britain are banned from using it on their devices and on parliamentary networks, and that file is _ parliamentary networks, and that file is an — parliamentary networks, and that file is an edictjust parliamentary networks, and that file is an edict just a few days ago the government ministries, government officials will no longer be allowed to have tiktok on their personal— be allowed to have tiktok on their personal phones. this is quite a shift _ personal phones. this is quite a shift for— personal phones. this is quite a shift for the british government that has— shift for the british government that has come aboutjust really shift for the british government that has come about just really the past week— that has come about just really the past week or so was not prior to that, _ past week or so was not prior to that, the — past week or so was not prior to that, the line was, look, it is personal— that, the line was, look, it is personal choice but people want to have on _ personal choice but people want to have on their mobile phones. something has changed quite recently. now, the government is pinning _ recently. now, the government is pinning it — recently. now, the government is pinning it on a national security assessment of the app, but they haven't— assessment of the app, but they haven't given any details of what the outcome of that was. so we are working with a lack of evidence here _

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no? ~ . .. , think tiktok will be banned, yes or no? ~ . " , , think tiktok will be banned, yes or no? . , .. , , , no? well, it is likely, but it is the bright _ no? well, it is likely, but it is the bright shiny _ no? well, it is likely, but it is the bright shiny object - no? well, it is likely, but it is the bright shiny object right l no? well, it is likely, but it is- the bright shiny object right now, but my hope is that inadvertently it brings lawmakers into the discussion. there's legislation that installed right now in congress on data privacy. it needs to be pushed through. we need to finish the job. great to have you on. thanks so much. ~ , great to have you on. thanks so much. y . . . staying with the potential dangers of tech, a different story though, a former start from uk love island, montana brown — has shared her experience of an unwanted airtag — known as airtagging. while travelling she received a notification on her phone that there was a nearby airtag — a small device that track items such as keys or luggage. she then found it in her bag, but it wasn't hers. someone else had put it there and could then track her movements. and she's not the only person this has happened to. montana shared her story on tiktok and urged people travelling alone to be vigilant. i have this notification that

said, "unknown air tag was detected on your persons. "they are now following your location." i thought, that's weird, because i didn't even have an air tag on my luggage. then i was thinking maybe it is just someone nearby, may it to someone close to me because then it went away. i took a screenshot of it. then i went to the toilet after security and just took everything out of my bag, and there was a little air tag in the bottom of my bag just sat there. and i thought someone has put that in my bag. that is so creepy. apple says it's responded to concerns about stalking with a series of updates since launching airtags. this includes privacy warnings during setup reminding users that tracking people without consent is a crime in many countries. it says it's also launched a precision finding feature, making it easier to locate airtags, and added the ability to play a sound from the unknown device. the company says other features have also been added or improved to make

unwanted airtags easier to find if they've been hidden let's now speak to newsbeat reporter bonnie mclaren who spoke to montana. great to see you. i've got to confess, this is something that i hadn't heard of until i read this story on the bbc news website. do we have any sense ofjust how common this is, how big a problem it is? in america, this has been a problem, like, police forces in america in the past have even issued warnings about air tag stocking. but i wanted to know if this is a problem in the uk, so i went to the trust to run the national stocking helpline and they said that, yes, they do get because about air tag stocking in the uk and that some of the people who are calling in our girls at school, so, yeah, it really is a

problem. school, so, yeah, it really is a problem-— school, so, yeah, it really is a problem. school, so, yeah, it really is a roblem. , .,, ,~ ., problem. just to be absolutely clear about what the _ problem. just to be absolutely clear about what the potential _ problem. just to be absolutely clear about what the potential problem . problem. just to be absolutely clear about what the potential problem is here is that someone unknown bias in the air tag or another device similar made by a different company, secretly plans that in someone's handbag, for example, and as they head off, they can still follow them on a map on their phone. that feels like quite a difficult thing to try and stop or prevent. art companies taking much action? this and stop or prevent. art companies taking much action?— and stop or prevent. art companies taking much action? as he previously exlained, taking much action? as he previously explained. apple _ taking much action? as he previously explained, apple are _ taking much action? as he previously explained, apple are aware _ taking much action? as he previously explained, apple are aware that - taking much action? as he previously explained, apple are aware that this| explained, apple are aware that this is a huge problem. they also, when your tags were launched, they launched another app, the android users, so that they could see if any apple devices were near them. subject companies are taking it seriously, but, of course, these devices, any kind of trackers, they can fall into the wrong hands.

fascinating and terrifying. thank you very much for talking us through that. we will have the look at the implications now. joining me now is dr neil mcbride from de montfort university — who has written about the use of airtags as people trackers. thank you very much for coming in the programme. this is another case of newtek with great benefits, because if you attach them to your car keys and you can find your car keys then you can find them, so it is tech with an obvious upside, but he had an downside. yes. is tech with an obvious upside, but he had an downside.— he had an downside. yes, i think this limits _ he had an downside. yes, i think this limits to _ he had an downside. yes, i think this limits to the _ he had an downside. yes, i think this limits to the upside - he had an downside. yes, i think this limits to the upside that - he had an downside. yes, i think this limits to the upside that its l this limits to the upside that its actual purpose is quite limited, but the downside is that it can be used for people tracking, so the issue there is that anybody can buy this thing for $35 and it is the size of a 50 cents piece, they can put it in somebody�*s bag, and whenever that person moves around, they can get a

mapping back of where that person is. and the way that works is by that air tag looking for other iphones and connecting onto them and sending its location, admittedly encrypted, through to the cloud, so that the owner of the air tag can pick that up. so some of the issues. that was a clear explanation of how it works, and therefore potentially the problems, but how do you try and mitigate that. we have heard the steps that one of the companies is taking, and they seem fairly sensible, but fundamentally once this tech has been invented and is out there, it seems difficult to fully control.— fully control. there is an issue there, fully control. there is an issue there. it's _ fully control. there is an issue there. it's up _ fully control. there is an issue there, it's up to _ fully control. there is an issue there, it's up to companies . fully control. there is an issue - there, it's up to companies commit before the text gets out there, to repay responsible innovation and actually think about what are the potential issues and the potential

uses of that technology. that requires my responsibility, really, in this case, it seems that apple have not acted very responsible because it is an obvious case that people would use this to track other people. assuming that people are going to use it on their keys or their luggage, seems a bit limited in trying to understand and be responsible, so what we really need is companies like apple to be thinking ahead and applying methods and approaches to think responsibly. let's bring in the panel here, this is an issue earlier that hadn't been fully aware of. jack, let's start with you. do you use tracking devices like this, either air tags or other things? devices like this, either air tags or otherthings? i devices like this, either air tags or other things?— devices like this, either air tags or other things? devices like this, either air tags or other thins? . or other things? i remember where i ut m or other things? i remember where i put my keys. — or other things? i remember where i put my keys. so _ or other things? i remember where i put my keys. so i — or other things? i remember where i put my keys, so i don't _ or other things? i remember where i put my keys, so i don't need - or other things? i remember where i put my keys, so i don't need to. - or other things? i remember where i put my keys, so i don't need to. i i put my keys, so i don't need to. i am aware of the product and i have certainly read about stocking cases related to it. this isn't the first

one that's come up in the news. i fully agree with the previous speaks to, apple needs to be much more responsible with creating these very simple tracking devices injust assuming people only use it for their keys. i do feel strongly that stocking is a very serious and growing issue in our society and when that is not taken nearly serious enough by law enforcement, given the impact on individuals lives. creating devices that make it so much easier like this just seems to be hugely irresponsible. it wasn't apple producing these devices, but let's say tiktok was producing these devices to track people's keys, and a matching stories like that if that if that were the case.— stories like that if that if that were the case. the parallels are there with what _ were the case. the parallels are there with what we _ were the case. the parallels are there with what we were - were the case. the parallels are there with what we were just . were the case. the parallels are - there with what we were just talking about with tiktok end—users data being out there in a way that is very difficult for them to pull back and. feels like a similar kind of issue here. i and. feels like a similar kind of issue here-— and. feels like a similar kind of issue here. _, , , ., issue here. i completely agree with that. i

issue here. i completely agree with that- ithink— issue here. i completely agree with that. l think the — issue here. i completely agree with that. i think the upside _ issue here. i completely agree with that. i think the upside of- issue here. i completely agree with that. i think the upside of this - issue here. i completely agree with that. i think the upside of this are l that. i think the upside of this are greatly— that. i think the upside of this are greatly mitigated by the sinister potential applications of this air ta-. potential applications of this air tag i_ potential applications of this air tag. i have an iphone right here, this iphone — tag. i have an iphone right here, this iphone gives me the ability to track— this iphone gives me the ability to track my— this iphone gives me the ability to track my phone should i lose it, should — track my phone should i lose it, should i— track my phone should i lose it, should i leave it in the car. that's one thing — should i leave it in the car. that's one thing. but to be able to go to an airport — one thing. but to be able to go to an airport ora one thing. but to be able to go to an airport or a train station or come — an airport or a train station or come up to— an airport or a train station or come up to a stranger on the street and slipped _ come up to a stranger on the street and slipped face in their bag or slip this — and slipped face in their bag or slip this into their possessions and be able _ slip this into their possessions and be able to— slip this into their possessions and be able to track them for an unknown period _ be able to track them for an unknown period of— be able to track them for an unknown period of time i think is frightening. it's incumbent upon apple _ frightening. it's incumbent upon apple and it's incumbent upon other manufacturers of these types of devices — manufacturers of these types of devices to ensure that the aspect that i_ devices to ensure that the aspect that i made reference to does not allow _ that i made reference to does not allow people to stock innocent people — allow people to stock innocent --eole. ., �*, people. doctor neil mcbride, let's ick u- on people. doctor neil mcbride, let's pick up on ron's — people. doctor neil mcbride, let's pick up on ron's point _ people. doctor neil mcbride, let's pick up on ron's point there, - pick up on ron's point there, because certainly i use sharing time he can share your location with friends and family on your phone, on

whatsapp, which i do and i use, but there is a time limit with that, and i am in control of it. this is the difference, isn't it. it i am in control of it. this is the difference, isn't it.— difference, isn't it. it is. it turns the _ difference, isn't it. it is. it turns the person - difference, isn't it. it is. it turns the person who - difference, isn't it. it is. it turns the person who has| difference, isn't it. it is. it. turns the person who has had difference, isn't it. it is. it- turns the person who has had that tag put in their baggage as a victim. she has lost control. and i think the issue is more fundamental in that in the iphone we have, you automatically get the find my app, and how airtag automatically get the find my app, and how air tag works is by finding any phone which could be yours, enter your phone i must parasitize in you to send out the location. so i think that this is coming you know, you have to opt out of the find my app application, so that it should be that you opt in. let’s should be that you opt in. let's take a step _ should be that you opt in. let's take a step back. _ should be that you opt in. let's take a step back. jack, - should be that you opt in. let's take a step back. jack, let's - should be that you opt in. let's take a step back. jack, let's look at the wider issue here. air tag society and that issue of something

physical being planted on someone, we believe that to the site for one second. the broader point of how it monitored and surveilled we are as a society. it started with cctv and they were huge arguments and public policy debates about that, and when it shifted to all our data being on our phones, it felt at times like the big public policy debate's not quite as severe as in as when it was talking about cctv. i quite as severe as in as when it was talking about cctv.— quite as severe as in as when it was talking about cctv. i remember those ara uments talking about cctv. i remember those arguments well. _ talking about cctv. i remember those arguments well, when _ talking about cctv. i remember those arguments well, when cctv _ talking about cctv. i remember those arguments well, when cctv was - talking about cctv. i remember those arguments well, when cctv was first. arguments well, when cctv was first rolled _ arguments well, when cctv was first rolled out _ arguments well, when cctv was first rolled out ian masse, and we just haven't _ rolled out ian masse, and we just haven't had — rolled out ian masse, and we just haven't had that same debate about something that is much more intrusive _ something that is much more intrusive. i think the reason for that— intrusive. i think the reason for that is— intrusive. i think the reason for that is people feel such incredible benefits _ that is people feel such incredible benefits overall from these devices. nothing _ benefits overall from these devices. nothing has changed our lives like smartphones have over recent years, and you _ smartphones have over recent years, and you know, so people are just more _

and you know, so people are just more accepting that there is a price that they— more accepting that there is a price that they pay for that in most people — that they pay for that in most people if— that they pay for that in most people if you look at opinion polls or focus— people if you look at opinion polls or focus groups on this, most people are not— or focus groups on this, most people are not that — or focus groups on this, most people are not that bothered about it. part of that _ are not that bothered about it. part of that came as a sales just because they can _ of that came as a sales just because they can see — of that came as a sales just because they can see these benefits. the other— they can see these benefits. the other part — they can see these benefits. the other part is we haven't yet seen the potential, committee huge negatives of that, but it does feel that we _ negatives of that, but it does feel that we are creeping towards a place where _ that we are creeping towards a place where we _ that we are creeping towards a place where we are an extremely, we are in a place. _ where we are an extremely, we are in a place, frankly where we are in an extremely— a place, frankly where we are in an extremely surveilled society. the worrying — extremely surveilled society. the worrying thing for me is that the data and — worrying thing for me is that the data and the power of that is held in the _ data and the power of that is held in the hands of these very few, very large _ in the hands of these very few, very large private tech companies, most of them _ large private tech companies, most of them but not all of them, american, and we don't have any oversight— american, and we don't have any oversight of that. this is not something that is being run by governments or by agencies or by people _ governments or by agencies or by people that we elect our people that we are _ people that we elect our people that we are in_ people that we elect our people that we are in charge of in a democracy. they— we are in charge of in a democracy. they are _ we are in charge of in a democracy. they are private companies and we 'ust they are private companies and we just have _ they are private companies and we just have to— they are private companies and we just have to cross our fingers and hope for— just have to cross our fingers and hope for the best.— hope for the best. crucial ethical debates to _ hope for the best. crucial ethical debates to be _ hope for the best. crucial ethical debates to be had. _ hope for the best. crucial ethical debates to be had. we _ hope for the best. crucial ethical debates to be had. we must - hope for the best. crucial ethical. debates to be had. we must leave this one here. thank you for your

time and coming in the programme. rates now it is time for the panel. plenty of potential things to talk about. jack, let's start with you. what do you want to focus on. the bi sto what do you want to focus on. the big story that _ what do you want to focus on. tie: big story that has broken in what do you want to focus on. ti9 big story that has broken in the last few hours was where the athletics announcement that they are banning trans men and women from competing in women's sports, and thatis competing in women's sports, and that is really a stroke —— big story. it's one of the most contentious cultural issues of our age. you see this exploding on social media all the time, people talking about it all the time in your social media feed, you know, in parliament as well. this is a very contentious tactic south of it is quite a bold move to have done this because they are going to take a lot of flak for it. you know, i think

what i found really interesting about it is that they have been looking at this for a while in different sports have obviously taken different positions on this very difficult issue. i think whichever way you go as a sporting by you are going to be heavily criticised and i think they must realise that. it's interesting that they've come down on the side of the band for now. those in charge of rep athletics saying he wasn't saying no forever, but for the information they have now, they think that is they have now, they think that is the right way forward. what i find fascinating about it is that basically seems to be where the public is. i was looking at some of the polling on this to get a sense of whether they were doing the popular thing, and it seems they are looking at american and british polling on this, and broadly, people are supportive of the idea of trans rates and trying to help trans people in society. they do not support, overwhelmingly do not support, overwhelmingly do not support trans people, for example, trans women competing in women's

sport, so it seems like they've come down on the side of public opinion at the moment, and ifound that really interesting. tqm. at the moment, and i found that really interesting.— at the moment, and i found that really interesting. 0k, heading over to the us. really interesting. 0k, heading over to the us. ron. _ really interesting. 0k, heading over to the us. ron, what _ really interesting. 0k, heading over to the us. ron, what has _ really interesting. 0k, heading over to the us. ron, what has caught - really interesting. 0k, heading over. to the us. ron, what has caught your eye is but i have to tell you, fascinating discussion going on here in the united states as to whether or not donald trump will be indicted at the district attorney in new york city in manhattan. you at the district attorney in new york city in manhattan.— city in manhattan. you have never seen a united _ city in manhattan. you have never seen a united states _ city in manhattan. you have never seen a united states president - seen a united states president indicted — seen a united states president indicted before, and what i found interesting this morning reading the newspaper in new york is that trump and his— newspaper in new york is that trump and his supporters seem to relish the idea _ and his supporters seem to relish the idea of— and his supporters seem to relish the idea of him being placed in handcuffs and a very public manner, him having — handcuffs and a very public manner, him having a — handcuffs and a very public manner, him having a mug shot after having been _ him having a mug shot after having been arrested. to him having a mug shot after having been arrested.— been arrested. to have to “ump in there, been arrested. to have to “ump in them. why — been arrested. to have to “ump in there, why would * been arrested. to have to “ump in there, why would his h been arrested. to have to jump in there, why would his supporters l been arrested. to have to jump in - there, why would his supporters want that, do you think?— that, do you think? because they see this as a political _ that, do you think? because they see this as a political witchhunt, - that, do you think? because they see this as a political witchhunt, and - this as a political witchhunt, and to see _ this as a political witchhunt, and to see him — this as a political witchhunt, and to see him in handcuffs, to see him doing _

to see him in handcuffs, to see him doing that — to see him in handcuffs, to see him doing that perp walk, if you will, only underscores what he has been saying _ only underscores what he has been saying is— only underscores what he has been saying is that it's a hoax and a witchhunt. the funny thing i would point _ witchhunt. the funny thing i would point out _ witchhunt. the funny thing i would point out to your viewers around the world _ point out to your viewers around the world is— point out to your viewers around the world is that — point out to your viewers around the world is that should president trump be arrested, he would not have been the first— be arrested, he would not have been the first american president to have done so _ the first american president to have done so. ulysses s grant, the war here _ done so. ulysses s grant, the war here from — done so. ulysses s grant, the war here from the civil war here in the states— here from the civil war here in the states was— here from the civil war here in the states was arrested for speeding in downtown washington. what was he speeding _ downtown washington. what was he speeding in? he was speeding in his horse _ speeding in? he was speeding in his horse drawn carriage and was pulled over by— horse drawn carriage and was pulled over by a _ horse drawn carriage and was pulled over by a police, given a misdemeanor.— over by a police, given a misdemeanor. . , ., misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story- _ misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story. i _ misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story. i was _ misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story. i was not _ misdemeanor. run, laughter in my ear from that story. i was not expecting i from that story. i was not expecting him i didn't know where you are going with that, i was not expecting that direction. i'm delighted, and there is no wayjack that direction. i'm delighted, and there is no way jack or that direction. i'm delighted, and there is no wayjack or i can top that, so i think we believe the show here. ron, great to have you on. thank you so much as always. and jack, thank you for your thoughts. that is it for me. thank you very much for your company. we will be back at the same

time tomorrow. for the moment, though, that is at. this is the context on bbc news. goodbye. hello. quite an ominous—looking sky behind me with heavy showers forecast for friday, perhaps with hail and thunder. and indeed, the outlook is looking very unsettled. sunday onwards, it'll also turn quite a bit cold, particularly across the northern half of the uk. now, here's the satellite picture — look at this broad area of cloud to the south, that brought the rain on thursday evening. but the centre of the low pressure here now, a very large area of low pressure, is approaching ireland — and within this centre of low pressure, we have frequent showers circling. so from early morning onwards, the winds will start to strengthen across many western parts of the uk. it's already cloudy with showers across scotland

and northern ireland, but in england and wales it'll actually start off pretty clear — and in fact, lots of sunshine expected early in the morning. but as this area of low pressure approaches, the winds reach gale force around the southwestern coasts of the uk, gusting 50mph or more, and really blustery inland, too. so the showers will be fast—moving across england and wales. again, some of them will be downpours with hail and thunder. in northern ireland and scotland, the showers will be slow—moving — the winds are much lighter here — so any showers will last for longer, and that's in the centre of this area of low pressure, and this blustery weather will continue into the evening hours on friday. this is saturday's weather map and one area of low pressure clears away — another one is approaching, but we're sort of in—between these areas of low pressure. i think the most frequent showers on saturday will be across more northern and eastern parts of england. elsewhere, yes, some showers in the forecast, not as heavy, not as frequent. temperatures will get up to around 12—13 celsius, i think, for most of us.

and then on sunday, we start to see a change. cold northerly winds spread from the northern climes, pushing that milder air to the south. and in the north of the country, yes, it will be cold enough for some hill snow watch. the wintry showers spreading across the highlands of scotland. in the south, however, closer to a weather front, there will be some rain early in the day, but eventually that rain will clear away. temperatures may be making double figures across the south of england and wales, but further north, it will be around six celsius in aberdeen, and a wind chill. and before i go, just a reminder that the clocks change this weekend. bye— bye.

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