will continue to stay, not reporting live from singapore. the headline stop donald trump becomes the first former former president to face criminal charges. he's indicted after a probe into money paid to an adult entertainer. the former leader will be charged in new york over alleged hush money given to stromy daniels, just before the 2016 presidential election. mr trump, who's running to be president again in 2024, has called the charges a political persecution and election interference at the highest level in history. we'll have the latest on president trump's criminal indictment. also on this edition

of newsday: a us jury finds the oscar—winning actor gwyneth paltrow was not responsible for the injuries sustained by a man — during a ski—slope collision, in 2016. live from our studio in singapore — this is bbc news. hello and welcome to the programme. we begin with breaking news — donald trump has become the first us president in history to be charged with a crime. he'll be charged in new york over alleged hush money given to porn starjust before the 2016 presidential election. mr trump, who's running again for president, has repeated he's innocent, and called the indictment

�*political persecution and election interference�*. his son eric said it was the opportunistic targeting of a political opponent in a campaign year. the bbc�*s nada tawfik�*s outside the court in new york. we can speak to her. great to get you on the programme. in the first instance, your reaction to what is happening today. reaction to what is happening toda . . , i reaction to what is happening today._ i believe l today. certainly... i believe we are having... _ today. certainly... i believe we are having... we - today. certainly... i believe we are having... we are - today. certainly... i believe- we are having... we are having some difficulty reaching out to my colleague who is standing outside the court as we understand it. just to remind you of what has been happening this evening without breaking news coming from the united states with donald trump becoming the first former

united states president to face criminal charges. the case in new york relates to alleged hush money payments to an adult entertainer before the 2016 election. this has certainly raised so many questions about what that means for donald trump going forward in terms of the legal process and the legal precedents in this case. lots of conversations about what this means for the presidential process, given the fact that we have the presidential election coming up in 202a. the there has been a lot of debate and divisiveness about this already. we have heard from the trump side with the statement coming from president trump, but for now, we can also speak tojulia but for now, we can also speak to julia manchester, a reporter with the hill, based in washington, dc. ijust i just have to say what an unprecedented moment in us

history. your thoughts.- unprecedented moment in us history. your thoughts. what an unprecedented _ history. your thoughts. what an unprecedented moment. - history. your thoughts. what an unprecedented moment. first i history. your thoughts. what an | unprecedented moment. first of all, we've never had a president of united states be indicted for a crime, so that his history making, but the same president is been indicted is also running for president again in 2024, so that adds another layer of complication onto this. i will say that we just got news from florida governor randy santos who is very likely to jump into the primary field, he's been at odds with former president trump in recent days. governor ron desantis. ron desantisjust tweeted calling the indictment un—american, calling george soros back in, that is a reference to a democratic mega donor here in the united states and referring to the democratic district attorneys office who was involved in this indictment. notably, in that statement that ron desantis him he did not mention the donald trump by name, but he said florida will not participate in

the extradition process of trump needs to be taken from his home in florida to new york. so a notable statement coming from a governor in a state where donald trump resides, but also a potential political rival.— political rival. what do you think the _ political rival. what do you think the significance - political rival. what do you think the significance of i political rival. what do you i think the significance of that is, given the fact that we have seen testy relations, think it's fair to say, between the two men. it it's fair to say, between the two men-— it's fair to say, between the two men. , , ., , , two men. it puts ron desantis in a difficult _ two men. it puts ron desantis in a difficult position _ two men. it puts ron desantis in a difficult position because l in a difficult position because on a surface level, you would think ron desantis should celebrate this because this is his political rival being indicted, butjust because donald trump is indicted doesn't mean he can't run for president, and on top of that, donald trump and ron desantis are vying for the same group of voters. in fact, are vying for the same group of voters. infact, i are vying for the same group of voters. in fact, i would say their voters often overlap because we know that donald trump played a major role in the rise of ron desantis. so ron desantis does not want to upset or turn off any of donald

trump's base, because that basis effectively his own political base.— political base. let's talk about the _ political base. let's talk about the base, - political base. let's talk about the base, shall. political base. let's talk | about the base, shall be, because given the amount of support that donald trump has been able to drum up amongst republican voters, a certain section of republican voters, what kind of reaction are you expecting from that base, given the events tonight? i expecting from that base, given the events tonight?— the events tonight? i think the events tonight? i think they are — the events tonight? i think they are going _ the events tonight? i think they are going to - the events tonight? i think they are going to be - the events tonight? i think they are going to be upset| the events tonight? i think- they are going to be upset and i think they are going to be fired up. donald trump is trying to tap into that about ten days ago when he wrote on his social media website, treat social, that he was expecting to be indicted, calling for those supporters to go and protest. so i think they are going to be fired up and upset and they are going to use did not view this as politcised. it's not of republican leaders really echoing that as well. to that point, just on the bbc life page, there is lots of comments coming in from various politicians in the united states, and as you were just

saying, comments coming in from kevin mccarthy who has just released a blistering statement indicating that he is likely to go after the new york prosecutor using the power of congress. he's been writing on twitter that he has irreparably damaged our country in an attempt to interfere with our presidential election, as he routinely faces violent criminals to terrorise the public, he weapon is there a sacred system ofjustice sacred system of justice against sacred system ofjustice against president donald trump, his words, of chris, let's mind the bbc website as i was saying. but your thoughts on statements like that, should we expect to see more of this support coming through for donald trump today? i support coming through for donald trump today? i think you will see it from _ donald trump today? i think you will see it from the _ donald trump today? i think you will see it from the republican i will see it from the republican side of the aisle. i think the other potential 2024 contenders may be quite honest, we will have to see what they say, you know, i have heard, we have heard randy santos, but randy santos is in a very difficult position because he is the governor of the state donald trump is in right now. so that makes things a little more complicated when it comes to

the legal process playing out. asa hutchinson, farmer governor of arkansas noted trump critic, who has been mulling a presidential run himself, he released a statement saying that whoever decides, it should be the american voters who decide who should be the next president, while he doesn't want donald trump to be the next president he said it shouldn't be decided this way through an indictment, so he didn't necessarily hit the indictment, but sort of walking that fine line. i think you can absolutely expect to see house republicans who have been really itching to go after a lot of donald trump's political adversaries and critics and such, using the power of the housejudiciary committee, for house judiciary committee, for example, housejudiciary committee, for example, i think they are going to be wanting to take action and vocalize that action. the re orter and vocalize that action. the reporter with _ and vocalize that action. the reporter with the _ and vocalize that action. the reporter with the hill based in washington, dc, thank you so much forjoining us on newsday. i want to play the pictures

that you are seeing on the screen right now, the scene outside that courthouse in new york where we have been carrying and certainly talking about the unprecedented news coming out of the united states in the last hour with donald becoming the first for me united states president to face criminal charges. the case in new york, rather commission say it relating to alleged hush money payments to an adult entertainer before the 2016 election. you can see there the scene outside the courthouse and we canjoin my scene outside the courthouse and we can join my colleague who is in new york as well, not too far away from that scene itself as i understand it. i think of the last few minutes that you've been reporting, process once again started to flood into area. what is the latest? ., , flood into area. what is the latest? . , ., latest? that is right. compared to last week. — latest? that is right. compared to last week, many _ latest? that is right. compared to last week, many of- latest? that is right. compared to last week, many of the - latest? that is right. compared| to last week, many of the press had left lower manhattan because they were under the assumption that the grand jury

had paused their work. then came this leak that the former president had been indicted. now press have started turning out. there is a slow —— whole slew of camera crews outside the district attorney office just around the corner from where i am, and above me there are news copter is circulating because, of course, this is major news. it really launches the united states into unchartered territory both legally and politically as we have been saying. the follow—up —— first time a former president has been criminally indicted and this is someone who is launching a comeback for the white and is the front runner for a the white and is the front runnerfor a republican runner for a republican primaries. so runnerfor a republican primaries. so certainly here in new york, everyone is covering that news. we haven't seen a large amount of protesters, really hardly anyone here, but the nypd has medal barricades and they are prepared should that change. but nevertheless, if we look at this indictment, we don't have the details yet

of the exact charges. that will come when there is a formal arraignment. that is the first court appearance where charges are then read out in front of thejudge. when a defendant then enters a plea of guilty or not guilty we understand from former president from's defence team that he is likely to surrender early next week, it would set up a process where his secret service would come down, make sure the area is secure and escort them through the full process of being formally booked, having his mug shot taken, being fingerprinted, and we do understand that mr trump winds to use that as a moment to rally his base. we have already seen a very lengthy statement that he has called this a political persecution, election interference at the highest level in history. he also posted on his social media site telling his base that they are

not just telling his base that they are notjust coming after, and by day, he means democrats and what he calls the radical left, notjust coming after him, but his supporters, so he is very much trying to make this really his campaign for his attempts come back to the white house. democrats afraid of his platform and afraid of his base. as i say, we do expect president trump to come to new york early next week and, again, we will get the finer details of what that indictment exactly charges. we know it's in relation to that hush money payments which on their own are not a problem legally. what's in question here is how the trump organisation falsified those business records, and if they did that to conceal a crime in this case what we believe they will allege prosecutor says that he did it to protect his campaign ahead of the 2016 election. has

to protect his campaign ahead of the 2016 election.— of the 2016 election. as you have been _ of the 2016 election. as you have been talking _ of the 2016 election. as you have been talking and - of the 2016 election. as you have been talking and the i of the 2016 election. as you i have been talking and the fact that press is now gathering outside that court room, you have referenced the fact that there is some security on the streets there, but also the fact that president trump will be in new york, it is likely, as you have been reporting next week, what is the reaction expected to be from supporters? what are authorities there preparing for?— what are authorities there preparing for? what are authorities there --rearin~ for? ~ ., preparing for? well, i mean, we are exneeting — preparing for? well, i mean, we are expecting that _ preparing for? well, i mean, we are expecting that a _ preparing for? well, i mean, we are expecting that a large - preparing for? well, i mean, we are expecting that a large part i are expecting that a large part of this area will be fully locked down for that. you have the fact that it is a former president, but also all of the attention and volatility. we know, of course, given caused by the former president for his supporters to go out and protest, nypd had been preparing for some time to adjust security plans, just in terms of cloud control, or if it were to get anywhere us than that. what we reportedly heard as there are discussions about the time of day when this would

happen, if they would do it earlier in the day, before midday when the city gets a lot busier, just to come again, try to control the atmosphere around that. i think there are so many questions. well donald trump wants to play to the cameras and turn this into something of a rally? will he want to go through the back stories and keep away from the cameras? but certainly in the courtroom itself, it will be interesting to see how many reporters are that into that courtroom to witness what will be a very historic moments when the former president dan is in front of thejudge. the former president dan is in front of the judge. there were conversations about whether that would happen virtually or not, but we understand that the former president does want to appear in person in front of thatjudge, again, to capitalise on that and to further his statements to his base saying that this is all about the political

prosecution. we have already seenin prosecution. we have already seen in posts him bringing up the fact that he has been impeached twice, that there have been several investigations against him, so, thatis investigations against him, so, that is very much his talking point to his base, that there is nothing here, that he never slept with a former adult film star, his lawyers have said, in fact, he paid that money back to michael coe in not knowing he had paid it to stormy daniels to protect his family from finding out about this, trying to advance the argument that it had nothing to do at all with the election. so, as i say, certainly a historic moment here, and certainly more to watch out for and to see exactly how this will play out, because nobody knows. there is no precedent for this. this because nobody knows. there is no precedent for this.— no precedent for this. as you oint no precedent for this. as you point out. — no precedent for this. as you point out. no _ no precedent for this. as you point out, no precedent, - no precedent for this. as you point out, no precedent, but| point out, no precedent, but thank you for keeping us up—to—date on this historic moment in us politics. another story that has been breaking in

the past hour, usjury has found the 0scar—winning actor, gwyneth paltrow, not responsible for the injuries sustained by a man during a ski slope collation in 2016. the star was being sued over the incident in utah, but thejury ruled that it was in fact the claimant i'm a retired optometrist, who was at fault. we can cross now and speak to our correspondent in utah who has been watching that verdict coming through. as it was a highly anticipated when. was this expected today? was there any sense that the jury would end up making the decision and the way that they have?- the way that they have? well, it's been a _ the way that they have? well, it's been a huge _ the way that they have? well, it's been a huge amount - the way that they have? well, it's been a huge amount of. it's been a huge amount of interest in this trial, of course, and it lasted just short of two weeks and it took the jury just two short of two weeks and it took the juryjust two hours to deliberate and come to their verdict. they found that gwyneth paltrow is not responsible for causing the collision with 76—year—old terry sanderson on the ski slopes just a few miles from where i'm standing now, and

they found that he was responsible for the collision. this was a he said she said trial. we had a huge amount of evidence about his state of mind and his physical and mental health before and after that accident, but we now know the jury found that gwyneth paltrow was not responsible. he was suing her for paltrow was not responsible. he was suing herfor $300,000, she countersued for $1, she has now been awarded that $1 in damages, and he will now be liable to pay the legal fees which will likely run into hundreds of thousands of dollars. now, a flurry of activity out here just a few moments ago, gwyneth paltrow left court immediately after the verdict. she didn't spike to speak to reporters. she walked past calmly as she has throughout the course of this trial and terry sanderson came out speaking to reporters and said that gwyneth paltrow has spoken to him on her way out of court and simply said i wish you well him and he said to her thank you. you well him and he said to her

thank yon-— thank you. this case, as you have pointed _ thank you. this case, as you have pointed out _ thank you. this case, as you have pointed out has - thank you. this case, as you i have pointed out has attracted so much attention. they have been daily updates and analysis on what has been going through her mind, what this says about the entire us legaljustice system, the fact that this has become, in the words of some analysts, bit of a spectacle, but what has the reaction been in utah, as this court case has been playing out?— been playing out? well, it's interesting. _ been playing out? well, it's interesting. i— been playing out? well, it's interesting. i spoke - been playing out? well, it's interesting. i spoke to - been playing out? well, it's interesting. i spoke to a - been playing out? well, it's interesting. i spoke to a ski | interesting. i spoke to a ski instructor has been working on the mountain around here for several decades and he pointed out the collision is not uncommon. skiing is a high—risk sports, but it is rare for a case to come to court. now, i think what most people here have been thinking about, there has been a huge spectacle, a lot of the evidence has been very dry, very expert witness heavy, but gwyneth paltrow�*s evidence is very interesting. she had a different version of events from that of terry sanderson. both of them claim that the other one ran into the back of them will stop this has sparked a huge social media

circus, really, a huge amount of activity on tiktok and instagram and also even late—night shows in america have turned this case into comity. people here in utah in park city have seen this as a positive thing in some respects in that it has raised awareness of safety on the mountain. now, ms. paltrow said in her initial evidence that she hadn't been totally aware that if a collision takes place, that you are responsible for giving your details to the other person details to the other person details must be exchanged before you leave the mountain. there was a very clear code of conduct and the ski instructor i spoke to today said that in a way, it would have raised awareness of that and if anything, the mountains will be anything, the mountains will be a safer place because of this very high—profile trial. a safer place because of this very high-profile trial. indeed high-profile _ very high-profile trial. indeed high-profile that _ very high-profile trial. indeed high-profile that has - very high-profile trial. indeed high-profile that has brought| high—profile that has brought so much attention, notjust to the us legal system, as we have been talking about but also safety, as you havejust mentioned. and i wonder now what happens next. i mean, it is all wrapped up, and people are going back to their

everyday lives after this huge celebrity case that we have seen over the last few days. yeah, i mean, it is interesting because this is a very small court house here in park city utah, and a huge amount of interest has been here over the last few days, the rules in the courts have been very strict. we were all cautioned not to use mobile phones all of that kind of stuff, so i think it has been a very strange event for many people here. we are in a very small area of utah, it is a skiing place. they are used to celebrities, because this is the venue of the sundance film festival that's taking place here every year since 1985. so i don't think people are strangers to celebrities coming here, but a court case with this kind of interest certainly is a rare thing. interest certainly is a rare thin. ., ~ interest certainly is a rare thin._ ., ~' interest certainly is a rare thin. ., ~ thing. so feline, thank you so much for _ thing. so feline, thank you so much forjoining _ thing. so feline, thank you so much forjoining us _ thing. so feline, thank you so much forjoining us on - thing. so feline, thank you so much forjoining us on that i much forjoining us on that story and keeping us up—to—date on that latest breaking news on the gwyneth paltrow case. i

want to remind you now of our big top story that we have been covering for you tonight. donald trump becoming the first us president in history to be charged with a crime. he can get the latest news, of course, as always on the bbc website where we are running what is called a live page, and those are the latest updates that we are the latest updates that we are getting from all corners from politicians on both sides of the political spectrum analysis from our correspondence on the ground as well explaining some of those legal terms, well explaining some of those legalterms, if well explaining some of those legal terms, if you are not familiar with them, and also explaining what might happen nextin explaining what might happen next in the legal process in this unprecedented moment in history, and for more on that we will speak now to attorney and former trade adviser to presidents george bush and bill clinton steve gill live from nashville, tennessee. great to get you on the programme. thank you so much forjoining us on this story. your thoughts initially and what has happened today? i think your previous reporter asking whether donald trump will play to the cameras in

this arrest process has to be a rhetorical question, of course donald trump applied to the cameras. he wants to emphasise that this is a partisan political persecution and that is what it has the appearance of being. this is a da in a part of new york trying to prosecute a federal crime that the us district attorneys at the us district attorneys at the department ofjustice, the fbi all the side of was too weak to prosecute and this da does not have the capacity to prosecute a federal crime, so he is trying to use the idea of a local crime, a city crime or state crime orfailing a local crime, a city crime or state crime or failing to properly report these expenditures and forms which at best is a misdemeanor and his key witnesses are this porn star, stormy daniels, who owes donald trump $300,000 after losing a slander case where it was essentially proven that she was essentially proven that she was lying. ceos donald trump money and then mr cohen, the former attorney who claims that he paid miss daniels, he has a

convicted perjurer, went to jailforfraud and perjury, so that the eight�*s top witnesses are two proved liars. i think donald trump will see this case eventually thrown out, and this willjust eventually thrown out, and this will just amplify his eventually thrown out, and this willjust amplify his ability to be the republican nominee and probably the next president of the united states. i and probably the next president of the united states.— of the united states. i 'ust have to remind * of the united states. i 'ust have to remind you i of the united states. ijust have to remind you and i of the united states. ijust| have to remind you and our viewers, of course, that this is an indictment where we don't have the full details yet. it is an ongoing case, and it is yet to be seen exactly what is in the details of that. but in terms of the legal process going forward, what are you expecting to happen in the coming days? i expecting to happen in the coming days?— expecting to happen in the coming days? expecting to happen in the cominu da s? ~ �* , coming days? i think you'll see resident coming days? i think you'll see president from _ coming days? i think you'll see president from play _ coming days? i think you'll see president from play to - coming days? i think you'll see president from play to the - president from play to the cameras, and the democrats, the liberals are wanting the headline, trump indicted. they've got their win, that's all they wanted, and they will get the mug shot that they want, and that will be the last when they get, i think, in this case. again, there is no state crime that can be used to process this federal crime of

suppose that hush money, keeping in mind that corporations, individuals settle cases all the time to avoid embarrassment, to avoid legalfees, hillary clinton, her campaign purchased the so—called steel document that was used to claim the whole russia hoax against president clinton, paid about $200,000 to obtain that. it was reported as legal fees. obtain that. it was reported as legalfees. irate obtain that. it was reported as legal fees-_ obtain that. it was reported as legal fees-— legal fees. we are not talking about hillary _ legal fees. we are not talking about hillary clinton - legal fees. we are not talking about hillary clinton tonight, | about hillary clinton tonight, have to remind you, we are talking about donald trump, and what i would like to get your thoughts on is the fact that, as you point out, this is a huge case. it's an unprecedented moment in history for american voters that are sitting down and watching the events tonight playing out on real—time primetime tv effectively what has happened todayis effectively what has happened today is that a former us president, somebody who has indicated that he will run for the presidency again has been indicted. what does that say to you about the state of us politics?— you about the state of us olitics? ~ ~ , politics? well, i think it is important _ politics? well, i think it is important to _

politics? well, i think it is important to look- politics? well, i think it is important to look at - politics? well, i think it is| important to look at hillary clinton in other cases because it is selective prosecution. you are not seen hunter biden prosecuted for gun crimes, or the flow of money into the biden family crime fund being prosecuted. there is an injustice system in the us where republicans and conservatives get treated differently than democrats and liberals and that is what the american people are going to see in this, and that is why i think, again, this is going to cost from supporters to support him even more. it will cause people to look at the bayer justice department, the fbi and others are handling the weaponisation of ourjustice system rather than being fair pursuers of criminals and serious crimes. we'd sent hundreds of billions to ukraine, that's losing, our crime in cities are off the charts. 0ur border is open as million of illegals enter our country and the answer from the democrats and the left is to indict president term for a misdemeanor.— indict president term for a misdemeanor. writes, steve, thank you _ misdemeanor. writes, steve,

thank you so _ misdemeanor. writes, steve, thank you so much _ misdemeanor. writes, steve, thank you so much for- misdemeanor. writes, steve, thank you so much forjoining| thank you so much forjoining us on that story, our top story this evening as we have been reporting to you about that breaking news coming out of the united states in the past half hour, donald trump becoming the first former united states president to face criminal charges, the case in new york relating to alleged hush money payments to an adult entertainer before the 2016 election. i think we can speak to calvin now who is on the programme with us joining to calvin now who is on the programme with usjoining us on the show. your reaction to the events tonight.— events tonight. well, i think the timing — events tonight. well, i think the timing was _ events tonight. well, i think the timing was definitely - events tonight. well, i think the timing was definitely a l the timing was definitely a surprise _ the timing was definitely a surprise after, you know, former_ surprise after, you know, former president trump forecasted he would be arrested last week and media reports saying — last week and media reports saying that it could be as long as the — saying that it could be as long as the months before anything came — as the months before anything came down. i think the timing was _ came down. i think the timing was a — came down. i think the timing was a surprise, but i don't think— was a surprise, but i don't think the _ was a surprise, but i don't think the indictment itself is a surprise because people are very— a surprise because people are very familiar legally and then lay people here in the public were — lay people here in the public

were very familiar with the case — were very familiar with the case with stormy daniels and the hush _ case with stormy daniels and the hush money and michael:. so i do the hush money and michael:. so i do think— the hush money and michael:. so i do think that that is known, it is, — i do think that that is known, it is, of— i do think that that is known, it is, of course historic because _ it is, of course historic because this has never happened to a former president and it raises — to a former president and it raises a _ to a former president and it raises a lot of questions, a lot of— raises a lot of questions, a lot of logistical questions as to how— lot of logistical questions as to how this will unfold. there are a — to how this will unfold. there are a lot _ to how this will unfold. there are a lot of unanswered questions this is definitely unprecedented, but in some ways we knew— unprecedented, but in some ways we knew this was coming.- we knew this was coming. given the fact that, — we knew this was coming. given the fact that, as _ we knew this was coming. given the fact that, as you _ we knew this was coming. given the fact that, as you say, - we knew this was coming. given the fact that, as you say, it's - the fact that, as you say, it's been highly anticipated, highly expected, and then coming days and in terms of the legal process, what can we expect? well, i think a legally what they've been reporting in the news is that he could be arraigned at the beginning of next week, but on the political side, we are going to see a lot happen between now and the beginning of next week. we are going to the sea donald trump continued his intimidation campaign that he started coming he had the rally in waco texas this past weekend where he was

constantly escalating the rhetoric against the manhattan da and encouraging his supporters to protest, using phrases like death and destruction, so i think we are going to see a lot more of that. we're also going to see, i think, that. we're also going to see, ithink, kind that. we're also going to see, i think, kind of a contest among influential republicans as to who can go hardest to support donald trump, at least primarily. we've seen the speaker of the house, we've seen governor ron desantis put out statements that are not found it in fact because they are speaking about things that they don't yet know, but i think because they want to make sure that they don't alienate the base, they will go hard and support for him at least initially. support for him at least initially-— support for him at least initiall . ~ ., ~ ., initially. when you talk about the political _ initially. when you talk about the political base, _ initially. when you talk about the political base, we - initially. when you talk about the political base, we have i the political base, we have heard from others this evening saying that this might galvanise support for donald trump and get more of his base supporting him in the lead up to the presidential election. what do you think about that? i

think initially there will be a bump up in support among his base. and i think if the messaging around this being a witch hunts, our persecution out of prosecution as republicans are beginning to say, i think that that will garner a little bit of support amongst republicans broadly, however, i think what is going to happen as time goes on because we know whatever trial or whatever the next legal step are not going to happen anytime soon. a lot of republicans are going to be thinking that they want to win the election in 2024 and they are going to wonder is it worth it to support an indicted nominee when he lost the last election. i think initially there will be a bump up and support, but it isa a bump up and support, but it is a long way before 2024. yes. is a long way before 2024. yes, it is a long _ is a long way before 2024. yes, it is a long ways _ is a long way before 2024. yes, it is a long ways around - is a long way before 2024. yes, it is a long ways around away i it is a long ways around away from 20/20 verb, but also not that long. and given the fact

that long. and given the fact that we are expecting donald trump in new york next week and my colleague also talking about the potential and possibility of supporters heading to the court room, the courthouse next week. what concerns might there be from authorities in terms of support that we might see? what are we expecting supporters to say? well, i think we're not going to see the massive violent protests that we saw around january the 6th. similarly, i think a lot of people that would have been prone to maybe protest and supporting in that way saw what happened to those on january the 6th. way saw what happened to those onjanuary the 6th. i also think folks will realise that this was about the private citizen donald trump in his own legal affairs. citizen donald trump in his own legalaffairs. however, citizen donald trump in his own legal affairs. however, while i

don't think the protests were massive and i hope they are not violent, we have to remember violence only