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dealer is lying in wait for drug dealer is lying in wait for him, wanting him dead. joseph nee a zampa stand. the ground as he is repeatedly shot. armed with two guns, cashman closes in. he fires once more. then, the gunjammed. seeing a chance and desperate to escape, joseph nee flees for his life by heading for an open front door of a nearby house, pursued by the gunman. olivia pratt—korbel was inside. her mother had opened the door having heard the noise outside. she tried to stop the two range is getting in. olivia, frightened by the commission, had come downstairs and was fatally wounded as shots were fired through the front door. the man firing the gun was thomas cashman. he was arrested after a huge
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manhunt. a father himself, he killed someone else's's little girl, hoping to get away with it. you someone else's's little girl, hoping to get away with it.— to get away with it. you are arrested — to get away with it. you are arrested on _ to get away with it. you are arrested on suspicion - to get away with it. you are arrested on suspicion of. to get away with it. you are - arrested on suspicion of attempted murder, _ arrested on suspicion of attempted murder, twice. arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. twice-— arrested on suspicion of attempted murder, twice. that was never going to ha en. murder, twice. that was never going to happen- that _ murder, twice. that was never going to happen. that was _ murder, twice. that was never going to happen. that was danny - murder, twice. that was never going to happen. that was danny savage, | to happen. that was danny savage, with just a to happen. that was danny savage, withjust a reminder of to happen. that was danny savage, with just a reminder of the events, up with just a reminder of the events, up to where we are now. the trial, we have the guilty verdict last week. that was another emotional day, we can only imagine what the family going through, and we had from the mother cheryl, outside, and that the guilty verdict, when it came to last week. she was ecstatic, holding the teddy, which she is holding the teddy, which she is holding again, today, and we can only imagine the emotionaljourney she is on today. from that guilty verdict, to then having to prepare yourself emotionally and mentally to go into court, and here the
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sentencing. one of the intriguing facts about this afternoon was that she would have had to be steeling herself to face cashman in the dock again, because that is the usual process, that would be expected to happen, for him to be in court, his legal team to be in court, but as we were waiting for proceedings to get under way, just after tpm this afternoon, —— 2pm, the barristerfor cashman said, he is not coming, he's not coming to the dock. we were hearing from our correspondent, in a physical way, that he could not be forced into the dock, in situations like that, so it was a last—minute change of plan, a surprise for the family. difficult to know which way it went, which way it went, if it was a good thing to not have to speak in front of him, the other way
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of looking at it is perhaps reading the impact statements, witness impact statements —— victim impact statement, the would have liked to have him here the impact of his actions on that night, for them and the family, for the rest of their lives. a strange and difficult moment in court, but we are now told that the family are still in court, now, with mothers of the police. the police officers there that work for the family, and you have worked on the family, and you have worked on the case, in situations like this, there will be family liaison officers, traditionally, over the years, that role has grown, clearly, so the point of contact for families in this instance, would be police and work closely with them. we are going to keep our cameras there, just on the outside of manchester crown court. that is the exit door, went family and the police eventually walked out of that door.
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we will then cut to those pictures when that happens. just before we do that, we take a moment to play the moment inside court that cashman was sentenced. ijust want moment inside court that cashman was sentenced. i just want to make a point about this that cameras inside the courts, in england and wales, is a relatively new phenomenon. we are used to seeing it of course with court cases in america, for example, where almost all elements are televised. you can see witnesses and lawyers, thejudge on us cases, but england and wales, it is a different experience, it is a much newer and the camera faces one way, and just on thejudge and the camera faces one way, and just on the judge and is just on that moment of sentencing, so effectively just at the closing final remarks, being made by thejudge. nothing else is filled. the cameras are not rolling. we do not have access to them either, certainly, any point, when evidence is being heard all lawyers are presenting their
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arguments. we only hear about what happens on camera right at the end. —— nothing else is filmed. this is a moment when the sentence was handed down. �* u. �* moment when the sentence was handed down. �* .., �* ., ., down. and can't one, for the murder of olivia pratt-korbel, _ down. and can't one, for the murder of olivia pratt-korbel, the _ down. and can't one, for the murder of olivia pratt-korbel, the sentence | of olivia pratt—korbel, the sentence will be _ of olivia pratt—korbel, the sentence will be life _ of olivia pratt—korbel, the sentence will be life imprisonment. the minimum _ will be life imprisonment. the minimum term will be 42 years, less the lime _ minimum term will be 42 years, less the time the — minimum term will be 42 years, less the time the defendant has already spent _ the time the defendant has already spent on _ the time the defendant has already spent on remand. on account two, the attempted _ spent on remand. on account two, the attempted murder ofjoseph nee, the sentence _ attempted murder ofjoseph nee, the sentence is life imprisonment with a minimum _ sentence is life imprisonment with a minimum term of 22 years. on account three. _ minimum term of 22 years. on account three, winding at cheryl korbel, with intent to do grievous bodily harm _ with intent to do grievous bodily harm to — with intent to do grievous bodily harm to another, the sentence is a ten years— harm to another, the sentence is a ten years imprisonment. on account of four_ ten years imprisonment. on account of four and _ ten years imprisonment. on account of four and five, the firearms offences, _ of four and five, the firearms offences, the sentence is 18 years imprisonment on each. all of those sentences— imprisonment on each. all of those sentences are to be served concurrently, meaning that the shortest— concurrently, meaning that the shortest period of the defendant will he _ shortest period of the defendant will be required to serve before he can he _ will be required to serve before he can be considered for early release from _ can be considered for early release from the _ can be considered for early release from the sentence of life imprisonment is 42 years, less the
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182 days _ imprisonment is 42 years, less the 182 days he — imprisonment is 42 years, less the 182 days he has served on remand. after— 182 days he has served on remand. after he _ 182 days he has served on remand. after he has— 182 days he has served on remand. after he has served that minimum term, _ after he has served that minimum term, he — after he has served that minimum term, he can only be released if the parole _ term, he can only be released if the parole board decide that as appropriate. he would then remain on appropriate. he would then remain on a licence _ appropriate. he would then remain on a licence for _ appropriate. he would then remain on a licence for the ranger of his life — a licence for the ranger of his life. . . . a licence for the ranger of his life. ., ., , ., , life. that was the moment, they mentioned- _ life. that was the moment, they mentioned. relatively _ life. that was the moment, they mentioned. relatively new- life. that was the moment, they - mentioned. relatively new phenomenon where week here the sentence being handed down. one of the advantages is the fact that we get to hear a little bit of the explanation about why certain sentences are handed down, in certain circumstances. basically, there is a guidebook effectively, and then certain factors are weighed up by the judge, in mitigation, for example, and in this case, actually, we did hear the judge say, but clearly, no mitigation, basically, there is nothing that she could see in the framework that she is allowed to hand down, with her sentences, that
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would be a good reason it to reduce the sentence in any particular way, for any particular reason. our home editor, mark easton in the newsroom. we cross over to him, for a bit more of that sentencing process. you we cross over to him, for a bit more of that sentencing process.- of that sentencing process. you will want to know _ of that sentencing process. you will want to know that _ of that sentencing process. you will want to know that thomas - of that sentencing process. you will. want to know that thomas cashman's lawyers will be going through the sentencing remarks, line by line, very soon, if not already, because the reason the judge very soon, if not already, because the reason thejudge had to very soon, if not already, because the reason the judge had to take such care in explaining exactly how she has come to the decision that she has come to the decision that she did, is because there is always the opportunity for a defendant to appeal, if they feel that the sentencing guidelines have not been followed, or that the sentence itself is not in keeping with other similar sentences. there's the whole process. when you are listening to the judge this afternoon, he did get this real mixture of some really kind of profound technical process
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is going through, that she did take account of this, and not that, when she says one thing that she was being absolutely clear with what she meant, to make it all written down, of if we were to get to a point, where some challenge was made to the sentence, then they can actually go back at the court of appeal and look at exactly the mental processes of the judge, at exactly the mental processes of thejudge, which is what at exactly the mental processes of the judge, which is what she lays out, in that statement. at the same time, is that technical thing, i think we didn't see that this was a judge, mrjustice yip who somehow reflected... —— mrsjustice yip. sorry, mark, iwill reflected... —— mrsjustice yip. sorry, mark, i will interrupt you because we have people leaving the court. i will stop talking so we can listen in and hear what is going to be sad.
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—— said. i make this statement on behalf of my brother, olivia's loving it france —— he was quickly heartbroken. her older sisters, kirsty and kelsey, and the rest of the family. following the conviction of cashman and his sentence today, we would like to say that we are happy, but we will not be celebrating as nothing will fill the gap left in our lives, following the loss of olivia. we would like to thank the jury for the correct verdict and the witness who showed courage and stood up for olivia, by giving evidence. we listened to you, we would also like to thank the police and the officers from across the country who assisted in the investigation, the legal team, especially mr mclaughlin, and the hard work and getting itjust and flour olivia. we would like to thank our friends, flour olivia. we would like to thank ourfriends, jamie, flour olivia. we would like to thank our friends, jamie, justin flour olivia. we would like to thank ourfriends, jamie, justin and our friends, jamie, justin and nicky, for the ourfriends, jamie, justin and nicky, for the support they have given ourfamily, over the hardest
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seven months our lives. ourfamily is the mac thoughts are also with the families of the other victims. we hope you get the justice your loved ones deserve. our greatest hope is that this conviction to lead to more guns and especially those used in the murder of olivia, to be handed in to the police so that no other families handed in to the police so that no otherfamilies must handed in to the police so that no other families must go through this tragedy. lastly, iwould other families must go through this tragedy. lastly, i would like to say, olivia pratt—korbel died a scared nine—year—old, and we hope cashman is haunted by this knowledge for the rest of his life. thank you.
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studio: there we have the statements there. some pretty powerful words, especially that last moment, hoping that cashman is haunted by his actions. a real mixture of emotions, we could see right at the beginning there, seeing happy but not celebrating. a real mix of emotions, is to prepare, as you can imagine, coming out, have exactly what they have sat through, having gone through what they have gone through, to then come out and speak to the microphones there, and speak to people here, it is with a brave thing to do. —— it is always a brave
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and honourable thing to do. mark easton is still with us in the newsroom, we will stay on these pictures because i'm sure you understand, mark, but what do you of that? i understand, mark, but what do you of that? 4' understand, mark, but what do you of that? ~ , understand, mark, but what do you of that? 4' , , that? i think it is interesting, we have had one — that? i think it is interesting, we have had one group _ that? i think it is interesting, we have had one group of _ that? i think it is interesting, we have had one group of the - that? i think it is interesting, we| have had one group of the family coming out and making a statement, but often with these things come over and comes out together, just take their talent at the microphone which suggests to me, perhaps, that this moment, that doorway which people are not coming through, is actually quite a difficult boundary for people to cross. of course thanks for their legal teams, they have had that, and perhaps hugging and crying and they want to just compose themselves, but also, i think this is a really important moment because after the murder, all at one's focus is getting justice for the victim, fought little nine—year—old olivia. and yet,
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sadly, now, justice has been done, and you have to walk out into the world and be a different kind of person, in relation to your daughter's death. it is no longer about seeking justice, it is about doing right by her. comments, that was picked up, that they hoped that cashman would be haunted by what he did for the rest of his life in jail stop. did for the rest of his life in jail i think there is an absolutely understandable reaction, particularly today, because this is a man who would not come to court, to hear thejudge's remarks, you can imagine that the family will have felt that this was just another crime, really, that he did not even have the decency to turn up, on this final day. i know there is a lot of profound anger, hatred against him, from those who loved little olivia,
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and i to the family, this is a moment for them, to emerge from that courtroom, and to do so in a way where they feel in control of their actions, in control of their words. that they can say what they want to say anything that is a difficult thing for anyone to do, they may even be deciding that they really want to do it, have they got the energy? after this long process, to do that? so i think we shall see what happens, i can imagine, just for them, what happens, i can imagine, just forthem, on what happens, i can imagine, just for them, on the inside of that courtroom, just thinking, we need to go out there, because what we have been fighting for of all this time, to getjustice for our daughter, for our little girl, has now been achieved. it our little girl, has now been achieved-— achieved. it is interesting, isn't it? process— achieved. it is interesting, isn't it? process from _ achieved. it is interesting, isn't it? process from here. - achieved. it is interesting, isn't it? process from here. i- achieved. it is interesting, isn't. it? process from here. ijust want to ask about the support that families get in situations like
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this. i'm not talking specifically about right now, going out and speaking or not speaking, but throughout this process, since the events of august last year, is there an established procedure? we mentioned links with the police, and liaison officers, but what happens in general? behind—the—scenes, to try and support people through this? we have thankfully got a lot better at this over the last few decades, families often find themselves almost a forgotten part of the process and we have now done more and more to put them right at the heart of the process, so that they feel that it is about them and their loss, and that is really important. i would say that police will now have dedicated names officers... mark, i willjust interrupt you again, because as we can see there, we're just again, because as we can see there, we'rejust going to again, because as we can see there, we're just going to take these pictures from outside the court. fin
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pictures from outside the court. on thursday, the 30th of march, 2023, a verdict of guilty, which is confirmed our belief that cashman made at the abuse of olivia, olivia was just beautiful with her long brown hair, and big brown eyes. she was such a social butterfly, she was particularly good with younger children and we have such care for our little girl, she was the light of our lives, a chatty girl who never run out of any g. she was a character, and she was my baby and she has amazing qualities and knew what she wanted in life. —— never run out of energy. everyone adored her, she was the baby of our family, and my little love, my shadow. everything we now do and everywhere we go is a constant reminder that she's not there with us. the promise for her future that was cruelly taken away. we can now draw a line
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under seven months of agonising taunts, that we had... that we have had to endure at the hands of cashman. justice has prevailed, and i cannot begin to express our relief to stop i would like to extend our sincere gratitude and thanks to mr mclaughlin, and mr riding, the cps, all the investigation team, and police officers involved in working tirelessly to get this to court. my thanks go to the witnesses who bravely assisted prosecution case, and defied the usual stance of people —— that people do not grasp. i was especially dislike i would like to especially thank our family liaison officers, detective constable louise wright and julie moses, who have worked so hard and professionally with boundless dedication, to achieve this result. we welcome the sentence given, but what i can say is that my family and i have already started our life
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sentence, having to spend the rest of our lives without olivia. we are overwhelmed by the outstanding support of the public, during this horrific time, and we wish to say thank you. we now ask for time and space to try and process what has happened, over the past few months, and most importantly, grieve for our olivia she was so cruelly stolen from us. thank you. studio: that was lockable composure from olivia's mum, talking about her little girl. she started by remembering her, describing her, for people who did not know her, beautiful, a social butterfly,
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caring little girl, she was my baby, she said, my little love. she went on to talk about that process now, trying to draw a line and everything that has happened. certainly, one thing that will make that easier is the fact that justice has thing that will make that easier is the fact thatjustice has prevailed, in her words, the sentence is a significance, just like significant, 42 years. of course, then, the very real unavoidable truth here, that they have started their own life sentence, the family there will never be released from the grease and the pain —— grief and pain of losing their nine—year—old olivia. she went on to thank the public for their support, there has been considerable public outpouring of support, and she asked for some time and space to grieve. i do not think anyone in the uk will begrudge them that. they deserve nothing less than
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that. they deserve nothing less than that full stop they have showed remarkable strength, to sit in court, and to listen to the trial and to listen to what has happened. again, today for the sentencing, now, i we will hear from the police. we welcome today's sentence, which reflects the severity of the crime committed by thomas cashman. he now has a long time behind bars to contemplate his actions. in fact, he won't be out for a very long time, he will be an old man, when he is. we heard earlierfrom cheryl, chloe and john, of the devastating impact her death has had all all the family and friends. today's sentence will never bring olivia back. i again
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sank the witness who assisted in bringing to justice for olivia's family. she did the correct thing. she should be proud of herself. the courage and bravery that olivia's family have shown is in direct contrast to the cowardice shown by thomas cashman. i hope that the sentence of 42 years, given to thomas cashman today, will act as a deterrent for anyone who thinks of picking up a gun and putting our communities at risk through their reckless behaviour. this has been a challenging, complex and emotional inquiry. iwant challenging, complex and emotional inquiry. i want to thank and praise the commitment, dedication and sheer determination of the investigation team, as they pursued the truth. i
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want to thank our prosecuting barristers, mr mclaughlin, mr riding, and we reserve a special thanks for maria from the crown prosecution service as for her professionalism and the confidence that she placed in our inquiry team, and her support throughout the investigation. thank you. thank you all. studio: that was the police reiterating what we all know, that the sentence, however welcome, will not bring olivia back. we willjust watch as the family and police head back into manchester crown court. proceedings have been throughout this afternoon. mark easton, our home editor, is with us. mark, we
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just heard there from the police, but what stuck out to you? i think it was the words _ but what stuck out to you? i think it was the words of _ but what stuck out to you? i think it was the words of olivia's - but what stuck out to you? i think| it was the words of olivia's mother who talked about trying to process what has been happening in that family, their whole world, turned upside down, certainly, the centre of this huge story, that the man hand, initially, the process —— process of bringing thomas cashman to justice, process of bringing thomas cashman tojustice, and process of bringing thomas cashman to justice, and finally, process of bringing thomas cashman tojustice, and finally, she process of bringing thomas cashman to justice, and finally, she said, seeing justice done, but as i was saying as before, just before she spoke, she reflected on the point i was trying to make, that this is now a different bit of territory for the family. they will have two grieve properly for their family, freed from the encumbrance, to seek justice through the court process, and involved with the police. it is interesting how much time she name checked the two police liaison
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officers, who have been a constant presence in her life of the last year or so, presence in her life of the last year orso, but presence in her life of the last year or so, but she spoke about the cps, her lawyers and others. that sense that the whole family is in this whirlwind of people they have never met before, who were just trying to steer them through the extraordinary emotional maze and then this afternoon, they emerged from the court, like coming out of that extraordinary labyrinth, and suddenly they are going to have to finally live the rest of their lives without their little girl. we have already started our life sentence, she said. the grieving process does continue, and it will continue for many, many years, if indeed it ever it stops. for the family, she talked about trying to process and i think
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thatis about trying to process and i think that is actually a very good way of putting it. to lose a daughter in these circumstances, and in such a public way, as well, whether the whole country has just been watching every moment of it, i think that that makes it a much more difficult case to get your head around, for any family. i think that they are going to need and quite rightly, to give them some space, to give them some time before they appear before any cameras or talk to any reports again, and i think ben is right. they do need to find their way, in this new environment, which they now occupy, which has thejustice served, that they sought, to grieve for their little girl properly. —— i think that is right. for their little girl properly. -- i think that is right.— think that is right. thank you, mark, think that is right. thank you, mark. for— think that is right. thank you, mark, for that. _ think that is right. thank you, mark, for that. that - think that is right. thank you, mark, for that. that bring - think that is right. thank you, mark, for that. that bring us | mark, for that. that bring us towards the end of the coverage for the sentencing of cashman. 42 years is what the judge sentenced him at
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two for the murder of olivia. as we wrap up our coverage here, ijust want to end with the comments about olivia, from her mum, the beautiful social butterfly, caring little girl, she was my baby, my little love. that ends our coverage here. there is plenty more on the live page, as you can see, for continued coverage there. for now, though, i'm lewis vaughanjones. this is bbc news. hello, good afternoon. we started off on a chilly, frosty note for many earlier on this morning, but there's a lot of sparkling spring sunshine and blue skies around today, captured by weather watchers here in northeast england and in northern wales.
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now, as we head through tomorrow, it's more of the same. it's another chilly start to the day with a touch of frost. more sunshine around for most of us tomorrow, at least for part of the day, but it will turn cloudier towards the north and the west with an approaching weather front. but the weather front is quite far out towards the west today, we're dominated by high pressure, of course, out towards the east. it's just sending a bit of an onshore breeze towards north sea facing coast here. so it's always going to feel a little cooler, but plenty of sunshine around, some high cloud turning the sunshine hazy, especially across parts of scotland. it's cloudier across northern ireland, but still some sunny spells breaking through here. top temperatures between ten and 14 degrees celsius, but maybe a 15 in the murray firth. now, overnight tonight, there'll be lots of clear skies around. temperatures are likely to drop below freezing for many. but we're starting to see our weather front approach the western isles in the far west of scotland and there will be some outbreaks of rain and more cloud towards irish sea coast as well,
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where temperatures will tend to be above freezing. of course, milder with the cloud and the breeze out towards the northwest. our weather front continues to move eastwards as we head throughout the day on tuesday, eventually sending some cloud into eastern areas of scotland and northwest england. but here it should stay largely dry. the best of the sunshine again for england and much of eastern wales where we'll see highs of 11 to 14 degrees celsius — not quite so much of an onshore breeze towards those north sea facing coasts on tuesday. now, on wednesday, of course, our weather front just continues to move its way eastwards, eventually introducing some outbreaks of rain, but probably not until the end of the day for the far south east of england and east anglia but some clearance across northern ireland. so maybe some sunny spells here as we head through the afternoon. temperatures again, between 11 and 14 degrees celsius and our the front continues to just clear its way eastwards, possibly some heavy persistent rain for eastern areas of the uk, as we head throughout the day on thursday. some sunshine though, further west, so unsettled through the middle part of the week, but high pressure builds back in again in time for good friday
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and the easter bank holiday weekend.
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live from london. this is bbc news. donald trump is set to leave his home in florida to fly to new york, to face charges related to alleged hush money payments to a porn star. the man who shot 9—year—old olivia pratt—korbel in her own home in liverpool is given a life sentence for her murder — with a minimum of 42 years. finland will officially become a member of nato on tuesday. the move is seen as a major strategic setback for vladimir putin. the moments before a pro—war blogger, was killed in an explosion in st petersburg. a 26—year—old woman's been detained by russian authorities.

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