the will continue to gather from the north and under clear skies and the south—east again, a touch of light frost. that is where we will have the best of the sunshine but these weather fronts will continue to bring rain as we go through the day and it will be light and patchy to begin with from the first front but the second front is a little more punch and that will bring some heavy outbreaks of rain so as we go through the afternoon will cloud overin through the afternoon will cloud over in the south—east but an improving picture into northern ireland and western scotland with temperatures sitting at around 13 or 14 temperatures sitting at around 13 or 1a degrees. that rain has to clear its way south and east and as it does so we will head towards the all—important easter weekend and high pressure builds again and quieting down and that's why we could see a return to some light overnight frost but not a bad start to the easter weekend, dry, settled and sunny risk of some rain later easter sunday.

you can keep up with all the latest developments on bbc website. from the six team, it's goodbye. break the news from around the world this is bbc news. it certainly what we can see so far is that donald trump continues to dominate american politics in the landscape. i dominate american politics in the landsca e. ~ �* , dominate american politics in the landscae. ~ �*, ., , landscape. i think it's actually more competent _ landscape. i think it's actually more competent than - landscape. i think it's actually more competent than that. landscape. i think it's actually - more competent than that donald trump certainly is not dominate the landscape, he is still most popular person in republican party in that may have changed in the recent days but i think may be a short—term spike. interesting when you talk to many of the uk or your contrast what a lot of americans are saying, i think there's a lot more fear in the uk that donald trump will get the

nomination, there is a lot of scepticism in the us on whether that is the case. people want to see a country that is functional, they want to move on, the country is now post—pandemic, has dealt with inflation. there are multiple social issues and a huge desire to see growth in every returned to her normalcy. americans like to do well in donald trump does not serve the cause.~ . in donald trump does not serve the cause. ~ ., ., , ., ., cause. what does it mean for the world, cause. what does it mean for the world. though. — cause. what does it mean for the world, though, if _ cause. what does it mean for the world, though, if donald - cause. what does it mean for the world, though, if donald trump l cause. what does it mean for the | world, though, if donald trump is reelected? iii world, though, if donald trump is reelected? ., , reelected? if donald trump were reelected. _ reelected? if donald trump were reelected. as _ reelected? if donald trump were reelected, as i've _ reelected? if donald trump were reelected, as i've said, - reelected? if donald trump were reelected, as i've said, i- reelected? if donald trump were reelected, as i've said, i have . reelected? if donald trump were l reelected, as i've said, i have seen that as an unlikely outcome i would not put that very high. it would be quite extraordinary and not in a good way. the possibility that he would take the united states of many multilateral frameworks, potentially even nato, that he would pull back support for the war in ukraine and of course the more fundamental

question is if whether we return to politics that were unstable, erratic, we see this functionality, the hollowing out of the executive branch, so many things that did so much damage in the biden administration has had to work hard long period of time to put back together. i to that long period of time to put back together. ito that kind of administration i think would be catastrophic. i think it was deeply unsettled europe in i think at that point europeans and certainly the uk would cease to think that this was a blip. but let's go right back in history. donald trump performed poorly in the midterm elections, lost the 2020 elections, he simply has not delivered for the republican party. so the really extraordinary thing is that the base has held on to a man who just simply has not

delivered when it comes to results at the electoral ballot box. you could say that what people are doing now is calculating. they do not want to alienate those voters who do support donald trump, whoever gets the nomination, they want donald trump's base to turn out in support them. those are important voters. they certainly want donald trump, if he still has influence to support them when we get to a general election. people are playing the long game, but playing it through a short—term instrumental calculation that could certainly come back to hurt. that is the big question that remains outstanding. we hurt. that is the big question that remains outstanding.— hurt. that is the big question that remains outstanding. we will keep ou with remains outstanding. we will keep you with us — remains outstanding. we will keep you with us throughout _ remains outstanding. we will keep you with us throughout the - remains outstanding. we will keep - you with us throughout the programme as we see is how this unfolds at the manhattan criminal court and all eyes are on the criminal court. and what will transpire off the next few hours. thank you so much for now.

let's go to rena shar from the republican party and clinical analyst who served as a senior member of staff for two republican members of congress. thank you for joining us here in the programme. this gives some reaction to what some of leslie was talking about, whether this will help or hurt donald trump and the republican party. i donald trump and the republican pa . ~ ., donald trump and the republican pa . ~ . , , party. i think what trump is facing toda tells party. i think what trump is facing today tells us _ party. i think what trump is facing today tells us that _ party. i think what trump is facing today tells us that not _ party. i think what trump is facing today tells us that not only - party. i think what trump is facing today tells us that not only is - party. i think what trump is facing today tells us that not only is the l today tells us that not only is the united states, but the republican party itself, or at a crossroads of how we look at this historic moment. and it is not so much about the candidacy of one person who has already declared for 2024 and that being donald trump. it is but will being donald trump. it is but will be stead for as a country. donald trump when he first ran in 2016, he was barking words law and order in the irony here is that he is now facing that today. with him

surrendering in court, i think there are a great number of americans who feel a bit of a shock to the system. and it feels funny, it feels uncomfortable, it has a lot of people scratching their heads about was this necessary. that is what i am getting from republican leaders. i'm getting that from republican voters who no longer affiliated with the maca movement. but voters who no longer affiliated with the maca movement.— the maca movement. but certainly ublicl the maca movement. but certainly publicly there _ the maca movement. but certainly publicly there are _ the maca movement. but certainly publicly there are republicans - the maca movement. but certainlyj publicly there are republicans who have come out in his defence. that 'ust tells have come out in his defence. that just tells me _ have come out in his defence. that just tells me that _ have come out in his defence. trisgt just tells me that these are people who want to make sure that they are good with trent's base. it all goes back to 2060. how trump was able to energise average american into showing up at the polls. insecurity about what was happening in washington. it's really scrutinising government in the way donald trump was doing. he was saying he was an outsider and i'm here not tojust put a light on what to is happening

in washington but here to stick it to these guys who have been here too long and are part of the establishment. looking at it this way you can still understand why the republican establishment seems to carry on its love affair into the public sphere, though donald trump lost between 20 election. this could be a moment that the republican party decides to move on for trumpet and say we pick someone else. [30 party decides to move on for trumpet and say we pick someone else. do you reall think and say we pick someone else. do you really think that _ and say we pick someone else. do you really think that may _ and say we pick someone else. do you really think that may happen? - and say we pick someone else. do you really think that may happen? i - and say we pick someone else. do you really think that may happen? i have l really think that may happen? i have been to some of these trump rallies when i covered the 2020 election and the base are very much committed to donald trump as an individual as a person. donald trump as an individual as a erson. ., donald trump as an individual as a erson. . ., donald trump as an individual as a nerson. ., ., donald trump as an individual as a erson. . ., ., ., person. have to look no further than the history of— person. have to look no further than the history of cults _ person. have to look no further than the history of cults in _ person. have to look no further than the history of cults in the _ person. have to look no further than the history of cults in the united - the history of cults in the united states. i realise it is a charged word but it is true. he has a cult like following. it is a cult of personality is with the gop has become in this area fully era. and this is as someone who has made their career in the republican party and to watch it be now about one man rather than the missions rather than

the policies rather than buried in new people to care about the values of the republicans have long tried to create solutions around. it is disheartening but going to those rallies and over the years you see they are shrinking inside your here conspiracy theories from people who are attending. they are no better than people who have succumbed to a cult leader and that is what we see trump i stay. so it's tough to imagine a scenario in which this republican party discourses itself from trump, but i think it is time we learn what charges have been filed because it's not great, they have been sealed. we do not have full details. people in the court of public opinion, continued to try and carry waterfor trump public opinion, continued to try and carry water for trump until they cannot do so any more. i carry water for trump until they cannot do so any more.- carry water for trump until they cannot do so any more. i 'ust want to read to — cannot do so any more. i 'ust want to read to you t cannot do so any more. i 'ust want to read to you into _ cannot do so any more. i 'ust want to read to you into our _ cannot do so any more. ijust want to read to you into our audience i to read to you into our audience some of what donald has posted on the social media platform truth social, said having to lower

manhattan, just before he got to the courthouse, see so capital capital letter surreal. can't believe this is happening in america and then maga. we were hearing earlier that if there is one thing donald trump knows how to do it is to use the right strategy, the kind of strategy he knows works with his base and what will make people sit up and listen. , ., , what will make people sit up and listen. , . , . , what will make people sit up and listen. , . , ., . , what will make people sit up and listen. , . , . , , listen. the strategy has always been missin: listen. the strategy has always been missing information _ listen. the strategy has always been missing information from _ listen. the strategy has always been missing information from trump - listen. the strategy has always been l missing information from trump lying is just part and parcel with the trump world and how they operated when they had the white house and since he has become a private citizen —— misinformation. he is a liar. what i see at play here is a man who is scared. he understands thatjustice is coming down on him. he knows in her his heart of hearts that alvin bragg the district

attorney took his time with this investigation, it is not like it came out of nowhere. trump has been facing many legal allegations of election fraud in jordan, facing many legal allegations of election fraud injordan, of facing many legal allegations of election fraud in jordan, of these election fraud injordan, of these hush election fraud in jordan, of these hush payments that were illegally done under campaign finance the galatians were essentially broken. campaign finance laws, excuse me. —— election fraud in georgia. and finally his role in the january six election and inciting a riot. so what he's been indicted for today is the least of all his legal problems. that's the thing. we just don't know at this stage how many friends he will have to defend himself on. it may not be just this one scenario. —— how many fronts he has to defend himself on. -- how many fronts he has to defend himself on-— -- how many fronts he has to defend himself om— -- how many fronts he has to defend himself on. there may be many more and don't come _ himself on. there may be many more and don't come out _ himself on. there may be many more and don't come out the _ himself on. there may be many more and don't come out the republican i and don't come out the republican leadership is especially people like senator mitch mcconnell who has routinely commented about the poor quality of candidates that trump

helped put forward on the ballot just this past december. these are maga types and lost largely because they, not because —— they are divorced from reality and not associating the results of any policy stances or solutions, is just grievance politics and is tough to look at that to see how we can give out oxygen but he is a former president. i will say this, the publican party is not a monolith any more. we have the empirical that data that maga is shrinking as a faction of the republican party. so there are republicans who are applauding this conviction for stops as we are a nation of laws. if we don't uphold the law for a private citizens for something i could have gone to jail for it not play former president and joe for breaking the law, we are not a nation of laws. you don't need to have a clean criminal record to hold the offices

of president in the united states. it is a bit complicated, indeed. our constitution does not leave out any such rules that say you can never have been convicted of something, so what will happen here is the political, not the legal. there is legal stuff happening now but there's a whole volume that is not yet in motion, because we are so far away from the presidential election of 2024. we are still really early. so if you want to ask about, what does this mean for trump bellator early today it is too early to say he will not be on the ballot. i think this will play out one or two ways. i republicans will say he will not be on the ballot in certain states in that decision will have to be made by local republican committees, state level republican committees, state level republican committees and then also secondly, he could just drop out himself early in the primary stages. he mayjust throw his hands up and say he does not want to do the summer and dropout. not want to do the summer and

dro out. ., ,. ., not want to do the summer and dro out. . ,. . . ~' not want to do the summer and dro out. . ,. . ., ,, ., not want to do the summer and droout. . ,. . . ~' ., dropout. fascinating talking to you a republican _ dropout. fascinating talking to you a republican strategist _ dropout. fascinating talking to you a republican strategist there, - dropout. fascinating talking to you | a republican strategist there, thank you for so much of your analysis. let's go live now and speak to doctor thomas the director for centre of university college london. thank you very much forjoining us. we have been talking for the last hour or so as we saw that motorcade making its way to the courthouse in manhattan. this really is a new chapter in us history. it is manhattan. this really is a new chapter in us history.— manhattan. this really is a new chapter in us history. it is a new chater chapter in us history. it is a new chapter in _ chapter in us history. it is a new chapter in us — chapter in us history. it is a new chapter in us history _ chapter in us history. it is a new chapter in us history we - chapter in us history. it is a new chapter in us history we have i chapter in us history we have never seen _ chapter in us history we have never seen anything like this before. that is why— seen anything like this before. that is why it _ seen anything like this before. that is why it is — seen anything like this before. that is why it is so difficult to predict what _ is why it is so difficult to predict what is — is why it is so difficult to predict what is going to happen next. it is unprecedented and by the nature of the fact— unprecedented and by the nature of the fact that it is unprecedented, we cannot— the fact that it is unprecedented, we cannot know what will happen going _ we cannot know what will happen going forward. whether you are for the prosecution of donald trump or against, _ the prosecution of donald trump or against, i_ the prosecution of donald trump or against, i think you do have to say that it _ against, i think you do have to say that it is _ against, i think you do have to say that it is a — against, i think you do have to say that it is a sad day in the united states— that it is a sad day in the united states to — that it is a sad day in the united states to see a former president and

the most _ states to see a former president and the most likely nominee for the republican side in 2024 facing criminal— republican side in 2024 facing criminal charges. this is not a good look for— criminal charges. this is not a good look for the — criminal charges. this is not a good look for the united states. i think it is tarnishing to its reputation. abroad — it is tarnishing to its reputation. abroad 0t— it is tarnishing to its reputation. abroad. of course you could say it is entirely— abroad. of course you could say it is entirelyjustified and that this needed — is entirelyjustified and that this needed to happen. just the fact that it is happening, i think it is somewhat worrisome. the it is happening, i think it is somewhat worrisome. ., ,., somewhat worrisome. the other point that ou somewhat worrisome. the other point that you have — somewhat worrisome. the other point that you have just _ somewhat worrisome. the other point that you have just made _ somewhat worrisome. the other point that you have just made there - somewhat worrisome. the other point that you have just made there is - that you have just made there is that you have just made there is that he is the front runner at this stage. i that he is the front runner at this stare. ., �* ~' that he is the front runner at this stare. ., �* ~ . �*, stage. i don't think that there's any doubt _ stage. i don't think that there's any doubt that _ stage. i don't think that there's any doubt that he _ stage. i don't think that there's any doubt that he is the - stage. i don't think that there's l any doubt that he is the favourite to obtain— any doubt that he is the favourite to obtain the republican nomination. that certainly does not mean that he will get _ that certainly does not mean that he will get it— that certainly does not mean that he will get it but looking at the polls ithink— will get it but looking at the polls i think you have to say that donald trump _ i think you have to say that donald trump is _ i think you have to say that donald trump is the favourite. i think a lot of— trump is the favourite. i think a lot of the — trump is the favourite. i think a lot of the polls may in fact underestimate donald trump's support — underestimate donald trump's support. so many of the polls we looked _ support. so many of the polls we looked at — support. so many of the polls we looked at are just one on one match ups, example, donald trump versus ron desantis or trump versus nikki haley _ ron desantis or trump versus nikki haley in _ ron desantis or trump versus nikki haley. in those scenarios it looks like some — haley. in those scenarios it looks like some of the opponents may have

a chance _ like some of the opponents may have a chance to _ like some of the opponents may have a chance to dethrone trump, we have to keep in _ a chance to dethrone trump, we have to keep in mind that is notjust donald — to keep in mind that is notjust donald trump versus a particular candidate — donald trump versus a particular candidate it is really donald trump versus _ candidate it is really donald trump versus all— candidate it is really donald trump versus all of the other candidates. if versus all of the other candidates. if donald — versus all of the other candidates. if donald trump is able to maintain this floor— if donald trump is able to maintain this floor of — if donald trump is able to maintain this floor of support in the republican party, which is about 30-40% — republican party, which is about 30-40% of the republican party, which is about 30—40% of the electorate, if the other— 30—40% of the electorate, if the other candidates split the anti—trump vote, that really will allow _ anti—trump vote, that really will allow donald trump to clear the table _ allow donald trump to clear the table and — allow donald trump to clear the table and some of these early primary— table and some of these early primary states and become the front runner— primary states and become the front runner and _ primary states and become the front runnerand then primary states and become the front runner and then after that it could 'ust runner and then after that it could just be _ runner and then after that it could just be coming a rubber—stamp. a lot can happen _ just be coming a rubber—stamp. a lot can happen between now and the primaries. — can happen between now and the primaries, it is too early to speculate, just looking at the numbers— speculate, just looking at the numbers now, i think it is hard to say anyone — numbers now, i think it is hard to say anyone has a better shot. what about ron desantis _ say anyone has a better shot. what about ron desantis we _ say anyone has a better shot. transit about ron desantis we saw that say anyone has a better shot. wisgt about ron desantis we saw that the site stumble there when he made those remarks to tucker carlson about ukraine, somewhat backtracking. but it did put him in a difficult position for a little while. i

a difficult position for a little while. ., , a difficult position for a little while. ~ , , ., while. i think is interesting to think about _ while. i think is interesting to think about the _ while. i think is interesting to think about the other - while. i think is interesting to - think about the other republican, potential— think about the other republican, potential nominees are doing here in relation _ potential nominees are doing here in relation to— potential nominees are doing here in relation to donald trump. almost without _ relation to donald trump. almost without exception they have come to donald _ without exception they have come to donald trump's defence. i think that there _ donald trump's defence. i think that there is— donald trump's defence. i think that there is a _ donald trump's defence. i think that there is a reason for that. it is because they do not want to alienate his supporters, basically the maga base which is the core of the republican party. they are trying to straddle _ republican party. they are trying to straddle this line which is very difficult — straddle this line which is very difficult. insofaras straddle this line which is very difficult. insofar as they will be challenging donald trump, most likely— challenging donald trump, most likely challenging him but at the same _ likely challenging him but at the same time but at the same time they know if— same time but at the same time they know if they— same time but at the same time they know if they go to hard against donald — know if they go to hard against donald trump and attack him to directly. — donald trump and attack him to directly, that they will face backlash. i think the last thing they— backlash. i think the last thing they want to do is for this whole scenario— they want to do is for this whole scenario to _ they want to do is for this whole scenario to backfire on them. sol think. _ scenario to backfire on them. sol think. to — scenario to backfire on them. sol think. to a — scenario to backfire on them. sol think, to a degree, they are backed into a _ think, to a degree, they are backed into a corner— think, to a degree, they are backed into a corner and theyjust want to see this _ into a corner and theyjust want to see this play out at the moment. the other thin . see this play out at the moment. other thing is, see this play out at the moment. iia: other thing is, frankly, see this play out at the moment. iia: otherthing is, frankly, this see this play out at the moment. ii2 other thing is, frankly, this is see this play out at the moment. i"i2 other thing is, frankly, this is all untested territory at the moment. uncharted territory. it untested territory at the moment. uncharted territory.—

uncharted territory. it really is. your previous _ uncharted territory. it really is. your previous guess _ uncharted territory. it really is. your previous guess was - uncharted territory. it really is. your previous guess was saying uncharted territory. it really is. - your previous guess was saying that this could be the end for donald trump. i this could be the end for donald trum -. ., this could be the end for donald trum -. ~' , , ., trump. i think members of the olitical trump. i think members of the political class _ trump. i think members of the political class have _ trump. i think members of the political class have been - trump. i think members of the | political class have been saying that this — political class have been saying that this time it is different, so many— that this time it is different, so many times. and impeachment one and impeachment to worse was to be the demise _ impeachment to worse was to be the demise of— impeachment to worse was to be the demise of donald trump. january six was was _ demise of donald trump. january six was was to— demise of donald trump. january six was was to be his and. all of these were _ was was to be his and. all of these were supposed to be the death knell of donald _ were supposed to be the death knell of donald trump and it has never materialised. so donald trump's political— materialised. so donald trump's political career is over when it is over~ _ political career is over when it is over. people may not like this but looking _ over. people may not like this but looking at — over. people may not like this but looking at the empirics i think the best predictor of future behaviour has what — best predictor of future behaviour has what is happened in the past. it is really— has what is happened in the past. it is really hard to count on for about because _ is really hard to count on for about because he — is really hard to count on for about because he seems to have nine lives and then— because he seems to have nine lives and then some. you because he seems to have nine lives and then some-— because he seems to have nine lives and then some. you think in some way this will benefit _ and then some. you think in some way this will benefit him _ and then some. you think in some way this will benefit him politically? - and then some. you think in some way this will benefit him politically? i - this will benefit him politically? i don't think there is any doubt that the is _ don't think there is any doubt that the is benefiting him in the short run~ _ the is benefiting him in the short run. looking at his numbers and in the polls— run. looking at his numbers and in the polls against other potential

republican contenders, he actually surged. _ republican contenders, he actually surged. at— republican contenders, he actually surged, at least gained some momentum since the indictment was announced — momentum since the indictment was announced. he is also use this as a fundraising — announced. he is also use this as a fundraising tool. so he is raise something in the order of $7 million in the _ something in the order of $7 million in the last— something in the order of $7 million in the last several days. this is partially— in the last several days. this is partially because he has been effective at making this case that he is _ effective at making this case that he is the — effective at making this case that he is the victim of a political vendetta _ he is the victim of a political vendetta. a witchhunt. a bully we are all— language. i think there is a bit more — language. i think there is a bit more that— language. i think there is a bit more that will happen in the long run. more that will happen in the long run~ and — more that will happen in the long run~ and i— more that will happen in the long run. and i think that will depend on what _ run. and i think that will depend on what the _ run. and i think that will depend on what the ultimate verdict is in this case: _ what the ultimate verdict is in this case, if— what the ultimate verdict is in this case, if we — what the ultimate verdict is in this case, if we actually reach a verdict _ case, if we actually reach a verdict. because donald trump is found _ verdict. because donald trump is found guilty it makes it more difficult — found guilty it makes it more difficult for him to say he is just being _ difficult for him to say he is just being singled out for political persecution. at the same time if he is found _ persecution. at the same time if he is found not— persecution. at the same time if he is found not guilty he will spend this as — is found not guilty he will spend this as an— is found not guilty he will spend this as an exoneration, he will say i this as an exoneration, he will say i told _ this as an exoneration, he will say i told you — this as an exoneration, he will say i told you so— this as an exoneration, he will say i told you so from the very

beginning, this was overzealous prosecution, weaponisation of the judicial— prosecution, weaponisation of the judicial system. this isjust more than _ judicial system. this isjust more than same — judicial system. this isjust more than same. as a deep state coming up. than same. as a deep state coming u . _ . than same. as a deep state coming u, . ., than same. as a deep state coming u . _ . ., , than same. as a deep state coming u n . ~ ., , , ., than same. as a deep state coming up. we are seeing some tactics like that riaht up. we are seeing some tactics like that right now- _ up. we are seeing some tactics like that right now. partially _ up. we are seeing some tactics like that right now. partially defending. that right now. partially defending himself and then attacking as well. exactly donald trump is a master of this. whether you like it or not he is very— this. whether you like it or not he is very good — this. whether you like it or not he is very good at speaking unfiltered to his _ is very good at speaking unfiltered to his audience. he knows his audience _ to his audience. he knows his audience better than anyone else. in 2016 he _ audience better than anyone else. in 2016 he came out of nowhere because he was _ 2016 he came out of nowhere because he was resonating with a certain section— he was resonating with a certain section of— he was resonating with a certain section of the electorate, talking to a certain section of the electorate, that no other republicans were. and the one sort of consistent of donald trump's twitter— of consistent of donald trump's twitter and now truth social is that he can _ twitter and now truth social is that he can now — twitter and now truth social is that he can now press all of the right buttons — he can now press all of the right buttons. and for his true believers, they don't— buttons. and for his true believers, they don't need a whole lot of coaxing — they don't need a whole lot of coaxing to get into a defensive crouch — coaxing to get into a defensive crouch. with all that in the worst possible — crouch. with all that in the worst possible way on january six and we are seeing — possible way on january six and we are seeing it probably again today.

even if— are seeing it probably again today. even if pressed bully protests do not escalate into any violence, the momentum — not escalate into any violence, the momentum and anger is clearly building — momentum and anger is clearly building among trump supporters. you are in dc, building among trump supporters. are in dc, we building among trump supporters. i'm. are in dc, we are looking at images now from the courthouse and all of that security, obviously secret service, is driving security here and there are concerns about protests, there are anti—trump protests, there are anti—trump protests and also his supporters who have gathered there as well. 35,000 police are there, preparing themselves because this could go any which way. i'm also being told that donald trump is currently being privatised leave —— processed in court. it is all being unfurled now. this is somewhat of a media feeding frenzy _ this is somewhat of a media feeding frenzy no— this is somewhat of a media feeding frenzy. no surprise there. one thing

i frenzy. no surprise there. one thing i have _ frenzy. no surprise there. one thing i have found — frenzy. no surprise there. one thing i have found somewhat disconcerting and this— i have found somewhat disconcerting and this is— i have found somewhat disconcerting and this is both on the political and this is both on the political and bully— and this is both on the political and bully left and right and there has been — and bully left and right and there has been so much saying that donald trump _ has been so much saying that donald trump deserves this, speculation on this case _ trump deserves this, speculation on this case. we don't know even now what _ this case. we don't know even now what the _ this case. we don't know even now what the exact charges are in when the charges are unsealed, we won't know— the charges are unsealed, we won't know what— the charges are unsealed, we won't know what the precise evidentiary basis _ know what the precise evidentiary basis for— know what the precise evidentiary basis for the prosecution until the trial essentially gives to unfold so exercising — trial essentially gives to unfold so exercising a bit more restraint on both— exercising a bit more restraint on both sides — exercising a bit more restraint on both sides would be a good idea. because — both sides would be a good idea. because otherwise the thingsjust tend to _ because otherwise the thingsjust tend to escalate, tend to build and in some _ tend to escalate, tend to build and in some cases, the far extremes of both sides — in some cases, the far extremes of both sides can be tipped over the edge _ both sides can be tipped over the edae. ., �* , ,., both sides can be tipped over the edae. . �*, . edge. that's the point here, at this oint we edge. that's the point here, at this point we don't _ edge. that's the point here, at this point we don't know— edge. that's the point here, at this point we don't know what - edge. that's the point here, at this point we don't know what the - edge. that's the point here, at this i point we don't know what the charges are. and how strong this case is against him. we are. and how strong this case is against him-—

against him. we do not. that is the oint that against him. we do not. that is the point that i'm _ against him. we do not. that is the point that i'm trying _ against him. we do not. that is the point that i'm trying to _ against him. we do not. that is the point that i'm trying to convey. - point that i'm trying to convey. that _ point that i'm trying to convey. that is— point that i'm trying to convey. that is why _ point that i'm trying to convey. that is why i think america's judicial— that is why i think america's judicial system, the precepts on which _ judicial system, the precepts on which it— judicial system, the precepts on which it is— judicial system, the precepts on which it is built, we need to respect _ which it is built, we need to respect. everyone including donald trump _ respect. everyone including donald trump should have this presumption of innocence until proven guilty. but for— of innocence until proven guilty. but for trump supporters, as well, you cannot — but for trump supporters, as well, you cannot make these kinds of overtures — you cannot make these kinds of overtures against the judicial system _ overtures against the judicial system. i think it is dangerous to say that— system. i think it is dangerous to say that the judge is biased with note evidence. to say that this is an absolute — note evidence. to say that this is an absolute witchhunt with no evidence _ an absolute witchhunt with no evidence. both sides, i think donald trump _ evidence. both sides, i think donald trump more — evidence. both sides, i think donald trump more so, have used this very inflammatory language. to my mind, we should _ inflammatory language. to my mind, we should let the justice system play out — we should let the 'ustice system -la out. , , . , we should let the 'ustice system .la out. �* , ., , f ~ play out. just in the last 24-48 hours we _ play out. just in the last 24-48 hours we have _ play out. just in the last 24-48 hours we have heard _ play out. just in the last 24-48 hours we have heard from - play out. just in the last 24-48 i hours we have heard from donald trump, he has been using truth social to post some things, just before going into the courthouse in

lower manhattan he said he was heading there, he said it all seems so surreal, he said that they are going to arrest me, i can't believe this is happening in america, then he wrote, maga. if you saw him briefly outside of court, he weighed two supporters. there were a lot of cameras there, a lot of media attention that is something donald trump do over the period in which he was president and also after, that he is able to draw the world's attention on himself.- he is able to draw the world's attention on himself. there is no doubt about _ attention on himself. there is no doubt about that. _ attention on himself. there is no doubt about that. donald - attention on himself. there is no doubt about that. donald trump| attention on himself. there is no | doubt about that. donald trump is attention on himself. there is no i doubt about that. donald trump is a showman— doubt about that. donald trump is a showman from day one. still is. not all press _ showman from day one. still is. not all press is — showman from day one. still is. not all press is good press but the more focus _ all press is good press but the more focus placed on donald trump and the more he _ focus placed on donald trump and the more he is _ focus placed on donald trump and the more he is the centrepiece of all of this tension, i think the more it does tend — this tension, i think the more it does lend himself to freezing in some _ does lend himself to freezing in some of— does lend himself to freezing in some of these inherent political advantages that donald trump has in the lead _

advantages that donald trump has in the lead up to the 2024 election. again _ the lead up to the 2024 election. again making him the prohibitive front— again making him the prohibitive front runner. the other thing i will say here _ front runner. the other thing i will say here is— front runner. the other thing i will say here is that donald trump is really— say here is that donald trump is really a — say here is that donald trump is really a master of using what i refer— really a master of using what i refer to — really a master of using what i refer to as— really a master of using what i refer to as elastic language was he whips— refer to as elastic language was he whips out— refer to as elastic language was he whips out his supporters, but always caveats _ whips out his supporters, but always caveats it _ whips out his supporters, but always caveats it with a comment here or there _ caveats it with a comment here or there san. — caveats it with a comment here or there. san, well, i did not really mean _ there. san, well, i did not really mean that _ there. san, well, i did not really mean that i_ there. san, well, i did not really mean that. i want everyone to come in protest, _ mean that. i want everyone to come in protest, this is the end of our country— in protest, this is the end of our country if— in protest, this is the end of our country if you don't, but please do so peacefully. this is donald trump talking _ so peacefully. this is donald trump talking out — so peacefully. this is donald trump talking out of both sides of his mouth — talking out of both sides of his mouth. he is very good at it and is why you _ mouth. he is very good at it and is why you can— mouth. he is very good at it and is why you can never really pin him down _ why you can never really pin him down legally. but it is part of the art of— down legally. but it is part of the art of trump is him and why he is so effective at — art of trump is him and why he is so effective at talking to his face. thank— effective at talking to his face. thank you so much for talking to us and for all of your analysis in this historic, unprecedented moment in american history. a new chapter, really. let's go to outside the courthouse and speak

again to gary o'donoghue. we understand donald trump is currently being processed in court awaiting arraignment. we are hearing some suggestions that he is keen to speak to the media, as soon as he comes out. �* , , ., to the media, as soon as he comes out. �*, , ., . . out. he's been in for about half an hour now- — out. he's been in for about half an hour now- a _ out. he's been in for about half an hour now. a swift _ out. he's been in for about half an hour now. a swift journey - hour now. a swiftjourney from midtown down here in his motorcade. he saw that wave as he got out of the car and went into the court building and as he mentioned just now, sometime on thatjourney took some time to put out some messages. they have been booking him in for the past hour or so. the fingerprinting or whatever else that they need to do, the docking station. that mean he is under arrest at the moment. donald trump the former president of the united states is currently under arrest.

and once that process has taken place he will be taken along the hallway to that court room on the 15th floor and there will be reporters and cameras outside the courtroom and he may stop to talk to them. as one of the suggestions before going into the courtroom. simply photographs and in the process of unsealing the indictment, charges right out and his lead to those charges enter. his charges right out and his lead to those charges enter.— charges right out and his lead to those charges enter. his plea. we keep saying _ those charges enter. his plea. we keep saying that _ those charges enter. his plea. we keep saying that it _ those charges enter. his plea. we keep saying that it is _ keep saying that it is unprecedented that the former president donald trump is currently under arrest, it is quite something to cure. —— two here. he is quite something to cure. -- two here. , ., ., here. he will stand at the defendants _ here. he will stand at the defendants table - here. he will stand at the defendants table in - here. he will stand at the defendants table in the l here. he will stand at the - defendants table in the courtroom and that is where he will stand while charges are brought to him and he will have to indicate guilty or not guilty. and we know he plans to

plead not guilty to these charges. that is what his lawyers have said all along. that is what his lawyers have said allalong. no that is what his lawyers have said all along. no reason to believe that will change. that may take a little moment if there are 20—30 of these charges as we believe. but at that point the judge will overly simple stuff there is no question here about him being kept in custody. so he walks from the building, still an innocent man until proven guilty or otherwise in a trial. and at that point he can return to florida which he intends to straightaway, as we understand for some people get his motorcade up to laguardia airport in queens and take his privatejet motorcade up to laguardia airport in queens and take his private jet down to florida. and some sort of event this evening, for his supporters. we may also hearfrom this evening, for his supporters. we may also hear from the district attorney and sell. —— himself. so there are a lot of things still to

unfold today but what you can see behind me in this building is the main event. that moment in time where donald trump, once again makes history. where donald trump, once again makes histo . �* ., , ., where donald trump, once again makes histo . �* ., ., , history. before i let you go, gary, we are getting — history. before i let you go, gary, we are getting some _ history. before i let you go, gary, we are getting some lines and - history. before i let you go, gary, i we are getting some lines and from the white house saying that this is not a focus for president biden. it has also been quite interesting of the past few days to see the silence from the white house and the restraint. ., from the white house and the restraint. . ., from the white house and the restraint. . . ., , ., restraint. yeah, that does not sur - rise restraint. yeah, that does not surprise me- _ restraint. yeah, that does not surprise me. i— restraint. yeah, that does not surprise me. i think— restraint. yeah, that does not | surprise me. i think democrats restraint. yeah, that does not. surprise me. i think democrats in general and particularly the administration will not want to seem to be pointing the putting the finger on the scale on this one. of course they can keep a step back and keep their mouth shut and watch things unfold because

anything they do would increase donald trump as my exposure and does make things more difficult for the publican party generally for seven that something perhaps the democrats can, as is a watch with some leisure. , , ., ., ~' can, as is a watch with some leisure. , , . can, as is a watch with some leisure, , . ~ leisure. just looking at them like -ictures leisure. just looking at them like pictures of _ leisure. just looking at them like pictures of the _ leisure. just looking at them like pictures of the courthouse, - leisure. just looking at them like| pictures of the courthouse, gary. but the secret service there and lots of the security, 35,000 police officers where you are, barricades up officers where you are, barricades up and the world's media waiting for donald trump to re—emerge from that courthouse. the donald trump to re-emerge from that courthouse. . . , courthouse. the arraignment itself and the appearance _ courthouse. the arraignment itself and the appearance before - courthouse. the arraignment itself and the appearance before the - courthouse. the arraignment itself. and the appearance before the judges time for 2:15pm so in about a half hours' time. so that is the formal moment. we will see some images of that moment, we understand font —— photographers will be allowed in and

there will be reporters in the court. they will not be allowed to have phones or anything like that so they will have pens and pencils and paper to write down receding. and i promise you you will see in the coming hours, a detailed blow—by—blow account of those minutes that take place in the courtroom. every single piece of body language and every word will be analysed to the nth degree. no shortage of detail about what will happen. shortage of detail about what will ha . en. ,., , shortage of detail about what will ha en. , ., shortage of detail about what will hauen. , ., ., shortage of detail about what will ha en. , ., ., “ shortage of detail about what will hauen. ., ., ~ happen. gary, for now think is so much for bringing _ happen. gary, for now think is so much for bringing us _ happen. gary, for now think is so much for bringing us up - happen. gary, for now think is so much for bringing us up to - happen. gary, for now think is so much for bringing us up to date l happen. gary, for now think is so l much for bringing us up to date on how things are developing outside that courthouse. let's go live down to washington and speak with bill kristol. he had jobs in the ministration of reagan and the first george bush presidency and director of the local groups to its funding democracy to stop think he was always forjoining us here on the programme. we keep saying that it is a new chapter in us history saying it's historic, that this is

unprecedented, but ijust want