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caroline wyatt, bbc news. louise is here with the weather. jack frost has not quite done with us yet. it was a cold start this morning, temperatures were as low as minus six in oxfordshire. but the sunshine got a bit of strength and temperatures, by the middle of the afternoon, kew gardens up to 15 celsius. but all that is going to change through the night because there is a blanket of cloud on its way and these weather front spilling down from the north—west. that means we will see some clearer skies in the south east corner here, it a touch of light frost first thing in the morning but elsewhere, those
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temperatures bearing up at around six to 9 degrees. there will be a bricks of rain and to begin with it will be light and patchy and early morning sunshine in the south east corner. that will quickly disappear, i suspect. into the afternoon, outbreaks of showery rain which will become heavier out to the west later in the afternoon. top temperature generally between nine and 13 degrees. the rain pushes steadily eastward through scotland, allowing for scotland and northern ireland to brighten up just for scotland and northern ireland to brighten upjust a for scotland and northern ireland to brighten up just a touch as we head into the afternoon. top temperatures perhaps at around 12 degrees. that frontal system will clear away and this little ridge of high pressure will build. that is good news for the extended easter weekend. on thursday we will have an early morning rain and a north—westerly wind or drive—in if you slow—moving showers and then slowly brightening up showers and then slowly brightening up from the west into the afternoon as the high pressure pushes in. top temperature on thursday between nine and 1a celsius. you want the easter
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weekend, so let's take a look. friday, saturday and sunday, falsifying business records in the first degree. can donald trump turn adversity into political success. or are republicans getting sick of all the noise? these are just the first of what could be an avalanche of charges for donald trump. we'll be joined by cyrus vancejunior, former manhattan district attorney, who started the investigation into donald trump. and gordon sondland, appointed by trump as ambassador to the european union.
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also tonight... there will be no revolution in social care in england any time soon, that at least was clear from today's government announcement. there have been accusations that the government have focused on short—term firefighting and not long—term reform. iwill look short—term firefighting and not long—term reform. i will look at the detail. we'll be speaking to a former tory pensions minister. and a vast legoscape of monet's lilies with an ominous black hole, and hundreds of thousands of ancient teapot spouts, and porcelain cannon balls. exiled artist, ai weiwei brings china's long buried past to life in his new exhibition. i would go back immediately, i always wanted to help. you know, i'm an architect and also i think i can encourage people to be more creative. and to be more open. good evening. donald trump today finally had his day in court — but not the kind he would have wanted. the former president was fingerprinted,
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but had no mugshot taken. he pleaded not guilty to all 3a charges, including one of hush money paid to two women. but even though this set of charges brought in new york do not, on the face of it, have the same capacity to do serious damage to him say, compared to the multiple big lawsuits relating to his conduct in the 2020 election and especially onjanuary 6th, they are all felony charges, meaning a minimum of a year injail if each charge is proven. trump was reprimanded in court for his language and one particular social media post in which he impuned the reputation of the judge, justicejuan merchan, both personally and professionally. here's david. today it all happened. today is the da . today it all happened. today is the day- history _ today it all happened. today is the day- history is _ today it all happened. today is the day. history is about _ today it all happened. today is the day. history is about to _ today it all happened. today is the day. history is about to be - today it all happened. today is the day. history is about to be made . today it all happened. today is the | day. history is about to be made by the man_ day. history is about to be made by the man who — day. history is about to be made by the man who has _ day. history is about to be made by the man who has made _ day. history is about to be made by the man who has made history- day. history is about to be made by the man who has made history in. day. history is about to be made by the man who has made history in a| the man who has made history in a number_ the man who has made history in a number of— the man who has made history in a number of dubious ways _ the man who has made history in a number of dubious ways before. i the man who has made history in a i number of dubious ways before. just a few da s number of dubious ways before. a few days away from a dark
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number of dubious ways before.- a few days away from a dark chapter in american history. it a few days away from a dark chapter in american history.— in american history. it was a day for hyperbole — in american history. it was a day for hyperbole and _ in american history. it was a day i for hyperbole and flashing graphics. donald trump emerged with a clenched fist we assumed of defiance. after a short drive to the court the former president set another precedent, the first to be charged with a crime. president trump, are you going to speak to us?— speak to us? after weeks of speculation _ speak to us? after weeks of speculation donald - speak to us? after weeks of speculation donald trump i speak to us? after weeks of l speculation donald trump and speak to us? after weeks of - speculation donald trump and the world got to hear the charges, 3a separate charges of falsifying business records and falsifying business records and falsifying business records and falsifying business records in order to commit other crimes. in an accompanying document the district attorney wrote, from august 2015 to december 2017 the defendant orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 presidential election by identifying and purchasing negative information about him to suppress its publication and benefit the
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defendant's and actual prospects for goes on, in order to execute the unlawful scheme participants violated election laws and caused false entries in the business records of various entities in new york. ~ . , york. well it was underwhelming, very technical— york. well it was underwhelming, very technical in _ york. well it was underwhelming, very technical in the _ york. well it was underwhelming, very technical in the formal- york. well it was underwhelming, i very technical in the formal charges and in connection with the actual factual underpinnings, it is the use of donald trump's business to make payments, to silence individuals who had information allegedly that would be very embarrassing to a normal person. in be very embarrassing to a normal erson. . ., be very embarrassing to a normal erson. _, ., , be very embarrassing to a normal erson. ., , person. in court donald trump was also reminded _ person. in court donald trump was also reminded about _ person. in court donald trump was also reminded about the _ person. in court donald trump was also reminded about the dangers l person. in court donald trump was| also reminded about the dangers of making any statements on social media that might incite any of his supporters to violence or civil unrest. the man who charged him,
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manhattan district attorney alvin bragg defended the prosecution. git its core this case today is one with allegations like so many of our white—collar cases, allegations that someone lied again and again to protect their interests and evade the laws to which we are all held accountable. is this office has done time and time again, we today uphold our solemn responsibility to ensure that everyone stands equal before the law. no line amount of money or power changes that ensuring american principle. power changes that ensuring american rinci - le. , , power changes that ensuring american --rincile. ,, ., ., principle. trumps legal team came out of the court _ principle. trumps legal team came out of the court saying _ principle. trumps legal team came out of the court saying that - principle. trumps legal team came out of the court saying that the - out of the court saying that the charges were thin and unspecific and that backed up their view that this was a political prosecution. we are auoin to was a political prosecution. we are going to talk _ was a political prosecution. we are going to talk about _ was a political prosecution. we are going to talk about the _ going to talk about the insufficiency of this case and the unseating —
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insufficiency of this case and the unseating of this indictment shows the rule _ unseating of this indictment shows the rule of— unseating of this indictment shows the rule of law died in this country _ the rule of law died in this country. because everyone is not above — country. because everyone is not above the _ country. because everyone is not above the law but not below it either~ — above the law but not below it either~ if — above the law but not below it either. if this was not donald trump we would _ either. if this was not donald trump we would not be here today based on those _ we would not be here today based on those charges. we would not be here today based on those charges-— we would not be here today based on those charges. president trump, how did ou those charges. president trump, how did you plead? _ those charges. president trump, how did you plead? donald _ those charges. president trump, how did you plead? donald trump - those charges. president trump, how did you plead? donald trump was - did you plead? donald trump was released from _ did you plead? donald trump was released from court _ did you plead? donald trump was released from court but _ did you plead? donald trump was released from court but the - did you plead? donald trump was released from court but the clock| did you plead? donald trump was i released from court but the clock is now ticking. returning to his home in florida, he is in a fight for his future. we'rejoined now from outside the court by the bbc�*s nada tawfick. what has the atmosphere be like outside and inside the court room today? outside and inside the court room toda ? .., outside and inside the court room toda ? .. , ., ., , today? i can tell you in all my ears today? i can tell you in all my years covering _ today? i can tell you in all my years covering court - today? i can tell you in all my years covering court cases - years covering court cases especially high ones in new york i have never seen anything like the press and police presence that was
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down here. you had lines of reporters and cameras stretching a block on either side of the court house and you had security ramped up more than it has ever been before notjust more than it has ever been before not just with the more than it has ever been before notjust with the nypd and us court martial but secret service carefully planning every moment of the appearance of donald trump you today. and in the court directly in front of the courthouse we did have protests between those who supported donald trump and those who were against him. what was quite symbolic as there were barricades separating both sides as they screamed back and forth at each other expressing their viewpoints. those who are there in support donald trump including the georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene expressed the view that this was a witchhunt and meant to hurt donald trump and his place ahead of the elections. those who dislike the president tried to drown them out with drums and whistles and
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said that this was a long time coming for donald trump. find said that this was a long time coming for donald trump. and what about the mood _ coming for donald trump. and what about the mood in _ coming for donald trump. and what about the mood in team _ coming for donald trump. and what about the mood in team trump? - about the mood in team trump? can ou 'ust about the mood in team trump? can you just repeat that? what _ about the mood in team trump? can you just repeat that? what was - about the mood in team trump? can you just repeat that? what was the l you just repeat that? what was the demeanour — you just repeat that? what was the demeanour in _ you just repeat that? what was the demeanour in team _ you just repeat that? what was the demeanour in team trump and - you just repeat that? what was the demeanour in team trump and the | you just repeat that? what was the - demeanour in team trump and the mood amongst them? ilituieii demeanour in team trump and the mood amongst them?— amongst them? well donald trump chose not to — amongst them? well donald trump chose not to address _ amongst them? well donald trump chose not to address the _ amongst them? well donald trump chose not to address the cameras l chose not to address the cameras here, he will do that later from florida but we did get a bit of comment from his legal team. of course they were flanking him on either side as he sat at the defendants table today when he pleads not guilty and his legal team is kind of turning his line here saying that the rule of law has been broken in this country and that if his name was not donald trump there is no way that the case would have been brought forward. so obviously donald trump has turned to lawyers with experience in white—collar crime, hejust hired a new former federal prosecutor with insight in
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these cases and he is leaning on them to vigorously fight the case and they say they will do exactly that. �* , , , , that. and 'ust briefly there is other that. and just briefly there is other possible _ that. and just briefly there is other possible legal - that. and just briefly there is other possible legal charity l that. and just briefly there is - other possible legal charity between now and the primary support donald trump? now and the primary support donald trum - ? , . now and the primary support donald trum? , . , now and the primary support donald trum? , ., , , trump? yes, that is exactly right, the irony is _ trump? yes, that is exactly right, the irony is as _ trump? yes, that is exactly right, the irony is as historic _ trump? yes, that is exactly right, the irony is as historic as - trump? yes, that is exactly right, the irony is as historic as this - trump? yes, that is exactly right, the irony is as historic as this day | the irony is as historic as this day has been, this case mayjust be the least of his troubles. if the impending investigations, the ongoing investigations i should say into alleged election interference, to how he handled classified documents, if those turn into real prosecutions, if federal prosecutors pursue that avenue, then this case will seem like it pales in comparison quite frankly. republicans are already saying this case should never been brought, it is a real stretch and relies on a personal sexual encounter. but the other cases rely solely around the
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question about american democracy and if a president tried to break that key principle of america's governmental institutions. so as i say, a lot hovering over donald trump as far as investigations as we head into the campaign for the whitehouse in 202a. head into the campaign for the whitehouse in 2024.— head into the campaign for the whitehouse in 2024. thank you. earlier i spoke _ whitehouse in 2024. thank you. earlier i spoke to _ whitehouse in 2024. thank you. earlier i spoke to the _ whitehouse in 2024. thank you. earlier i spoke to the former- whitehouse in 2024. thank you. | earlier i spoke to the former new york district attorney cyrus vance junior and asked if he regretted not bringing a case against donald trump while he was district attorney. t do while he was district attorney. i do not recret while he was district attorney. i do not regret that _ while he was district attorney. h gr not regret that we did not bring the case. and i really cannot go into all the information we had ourselves. i can say a bit about the history of the case. we began looking into these matters in 2017. in the federal prosecutors in manhattan as well were looking into it. and i think they were more
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advanced than we were at that stage. and they asked us to step down an investigation involving the matters discussed in court today which i did. ., ., , discussed in court today which i did. ., , ., did. the 'udge today reprimanded donald did. the judge today reprimanded donald trump _ did. the judge today reprimanded donald trump for _ did. the judge today reprimanded donald trump for language - did. the judge today reprimanded donald trump for language and i did. the judge today reprimanded | donald trump for language and for did. the judge today reprimanded i donald trump for language and for a particular personal and professional attack on thejudge. particular personal and professional attack on the judge. is there anything that he said today about that which now has some legal weight? m that which now has some legal wei . ht? ., that which now has some legal weirht? ., ~ ., ., ., weight? i did not know that that ha--ens weight? i did not know that that happens because _ weight? i did not know that that happens because that _ weight? i did not know that that happens because that was - weight? i did not know that that happens because that was not l weight? i did not know that that - happens because that was not coming across on the news that i saw here but i have said before today that where i counselling donald trump i would have told him that the language he was using about the district attorney and about the judge, about them and their families, is absolutely unacceptable. and actually i think it's the former president potentially at risk of being charged with the crime of obstructing government administration which is when one interferes with the process
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of government through intimidation, fear or other contact.— fear or other contact. given that could there _ fear or other contact. given that could there be _ fear or other contact. given that could there be a _ fear or other contact. given that could there be a punishment - fear or other contact. given that could there be a punishment for that? i could there be a punishment for that? “ could there be a punishment for that? ~ , could there be a punishment for that? 4' , ., ., could there be a punishment for that? ~ , ., ., ., that? i think it is hard to say at this point- _ that? i think it is hard to say at this point- if— that? i think it is hard to say at this point. if it _ that? i think it is hard to say at this point. if it is _ that? i think it is hard to say at this point. if it is subsequently| this point. if it is subsequently charged as a separate crime then that puts the issue squarely before the judge. that puts the issue squarely before thejudge. if it is not brought that puts the issue squarely before the judge. if it is not brought as a crime i think it will be in the air in the court room. and frankly i thinkjudgejusticejuan merchan think judge justice juan merchan is very thinkjudgejusticejuan merchan is very straightforward and it will not affect his handling of the case. but if the president is sentenced it could impact the sentence of the president because the court is permitted to take into account a number of factors in determining what the appropriate punishment should be. so what the appropriate punishment should be. , . ., ,
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what the appropriate punishment should be. , . ., ., should be. so these charges are not about to come _ should be. so these charges are not about to come up _ should be. so these charges are not about to come up until— should be. so these charges are not about to come up until the - should be. so these charges are not about to come up until the 4th - should be. so these charges are not about to come up until the 4th of i about to come up until the 4th of december and into the intervening time there may be other charges from florida and from january the 6th. which i think are his biggest threats, not the case in new york. and at this moment we cannot know if they would come up before then or not. but given what you said about his behaviour towards the judge and district attorney in this case he would do well to keep his counsel literally. in the intervening months. i would literally. in the intervening months. iwould imagine literally. in the intervening months. i would imagine that is almost an impossibility. t months. i would imagine that is almost an impossibility.- months. i would imagine that is almost an impossibility. i think the whole world _ almost an impossibility. i think the whole world knows _ almost an impossibility. i think the whole world knows that _ almost an impossibility. i think the whole world knows that donald - whole world knows that donald trump moves to a different drum. he thrives on chaos, he thrives on doing whatever he thinks he needs to doing whatever he thinks he needs to do in the moment to capture attention. so i'm not sure that anyone can change how donald trump behaves. but he should not get
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himself charged with other counts for behaviour as that will make his life much worse. {line for behaviour as that will make his life much worse.— for behaviour as that will make his life much worse. one final question, donald trump _ life much worse. one final question, donald trump has _ life much worse. one final question, donald trump has always _ life much worse. one final question, donald trump has always claimed i life much worse. one final question, | donald trump has always claimed he cannot get a fair trial in new york. in new york 86% of manhattan people voted forjoe biden, does he have a point that he may not be able to get a fairjury? point that he may not be able to get a fair 'u ? . point that he may not be able to get a fair 'u ? , ., ., ., point that he may not be able to get afair'u ? , ., ., ., , a fair 'ury? first of all, that is not a fairjury? first of all, that is not something _ a fairjury? first of all, that is not something that _ a fairjury? first of all, that is not something that you - a fairjury? first of all, that is not something that you make j not something that you make frivolously, they will have to have statistical evidence and it would have to be a fact —based motion. motion is for a change of venue as they are called for reasons of bias or a jury pool but is not fair, those are not uncommon. but do not happen very often but they rarely win. i'm not sure where you could go in america and not have the citizens
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of that county or state be very divided just as they are in new york state. so i do not know where one would get a jury without having been exposed to this case and have an opinion about it but that really is not the question. the question is going to be asked by the judge, not the question. the question is going to be asked by thejudge, i know you have been aware of this case but i want you to promise that you will divorce what you have read in the past and as it pertains to a judgment in this case until you've listened to the actual facts at trial and i am instructing you on the role. and jurors take theirjob very seriously in my experience and when a judge says that i think that they are, they understand the gravity of the task they have been given and they will follow those instructions. so i'm not worried about an instructions. so i'm not worried aboutan unfairjury instructions. so i'm not worried about an unfairjury at this point and we'll see how things pan out. thank you very much.
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joining us now is the former ambassador to the eu under the trump administration, gordon sondland. he was a key player in the former president's first trial, where it was alleged donald trump put pressure on his political rivals. you know donald trump well, you have beenin you know donald trump well, you have been in a room with him many times. what will his demeanour be like tonight? what will his demeanour be like toniaht? ~ . , what will his demeanour be like toniaht? . . , ., tonight? what will he be thinking? let me say. _ tonight? what will he be thinking? let me say. i— tonight? what will he be thinking? let me say, i want _ tonight? what will he be thinking? let me say, i want to _ tonight? what will he be thinking? let me say, i want to comment - let me say, i want to comment through the political length more than the legal lens and i want to divorce in this case of the other cases that are in various stages of investigation. my comments are focused solely on this one. this is the most appalling example of political retribution i have ever seen. i reserved a comment until i saw the indictment where i don't believe this k should have been brought against anyone other than this particular individual. let’s this particular individual. let's move on now _
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this particular individual. let's move on now to _ this particular individual. let's move on now to what - this particular individual. let's move on now to what cyrus i this particular individual. let's move on now to what cyrus vance said about the judge's reprimand to donald trump about his own language, invective, personal attacks. donald trump about his own language, invective, personalattacks. isn't that potentially very dangerous for donald trump. given that you know him very well, is he actually capable of holding back do you think? ~ ~' capable of holding back do you think? ~ ~ ., think? well, i think donald trump's manners and _ think? well, i think donald trump's manners and mannerisms - think? well, i think donald trump's manners and mannerisms are i think? well, i think donald trump's| manners and mannerisms are baked think? well, i think donald trump's i manners and mannerisms are baked in an everyone's mine. i think people would be shocked if all of a sudden he behaved with a certain amount of decorum. as your previous guest said, everyone in the world knows he marks the beat of a different drummer. and as he continues these frontal assaults against the judge, or thejudge's family, i think is normal bombast is expected. or the judge's family, i think is normal bombast is expected. hang on a minute, i would _ normal bombast is expected. hang on a minute, i would say, _ normal bombast is expected. hang on a minute, i would say, gordon - a minute, iwould say, gordon sondland, he is notjust able to fire off insults at a judge and a district attorney who have his future in their hands. that is
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presumably rude and disrespectful to the constitution? t presumably rude and disrespectful to the constitution?— the constitution? i don't think it is disrespectful _ the constitution? i don't think it is disrespectful to _ the constitution? i don't think it is disrespectful to the _ is disrespectful to the constitution, i think it is disrespectful to the judge and da. although as i said before, i think he is so angry that this trial and this accusation is being done for political purposes to get him off the field when the way you get someone off the field in the united states if you don't vote for them, or you put them out of office instead of impeaching them, instead of litigating and so on and so forth. i am of litigating and so on and so forth. iam no of litigating and so on and so forth. i am no fan of donald trump, trust me, i am more interested in protecting the presidency and protecting the presidency and protecting ourjustice system that i worry about donald trump. but this is beyond the pale. 50. worry about donald trump. but this is beyond the pale.— is beyond the pale. so, we have a timetable, _ is beyond the pale. so, we have a timetable, and _ is beyond the pale. so, we have a timetable, and i _ is beyond the pale. so, we have a timetable, and i know _ is beyond the pale. so, we have a timetable, and i know you - is beyond the pale. so, we have a timetable, and i know you don't l is beyond the pale. so, we have a i timetable, and i know you don't want to talk about future legal position, but we have a timetable and this is
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backin but we have a timetable and this is back in december the 24th. a trial could start injanuary back in december the 24th. a trial could start in january the back in december the 24th. a trial could start injanuary the 24th, the time for the republican primaries. presumably that could have an impact on the presidency? t presumably that could have an impact on the presidency? ”just presumably that could have an impact on the presidency?— on the presidency? i 'ust can't believe that i on the presidency? i 'ust can't believe that this i on the presidency? ijust can't believe that this legal - on the presidency? ijust can't believe that this legal team i on the presidency? ijust can't i believe that this legal team can't get this case dismissed on the merits and get it dismissed much sooner than the december date that the judge gave. sooner than the december date that thejudge gave. i think sooner than the december date that the judge gave. i think you are going to see some legal manoeuvring going to see some legal manoeuvring going on over the next few months to expedite this. but you are right, if in fact this doesn't get heard until december, it is the perfect storm. it is the perfect storm but you might say it is the perfect storm adding in the mar—a—lago confidential papers, the 2020 election and the 6th of january. i wonder what you make of the argument that really a number of republicans are fed up with all the noise and
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chaos as you call it, and everything else that surrounds donald trump. although he has had big donations and vocal support at this moment, that might die away. t and vocal support at this moment, that might die away.— that might die away. i don't know about that- _ that might die away. i don't know about that- i— that might die away. i don't know about that. i think _ that might die away. i don't know about that. i think for _ that might die away. i don't know about that. i think for every i that might die away. i don't know| about that. i think for every dollar that goes away, another dollar gets put into the pot because of the feeling that they are protecting someone who has been persecuted without cause. in this particular case, i am not commenting on the other cases that are being investigated, as i said, there could be some very serious matter facing them, i don't think that goes for this particular matter. {lin them, i don't think that goes for this particular matter.— this particular matter. on the auestion this particular matter. on the question of— this particular matter. on the question of how _ this particular matter. on the question of how he _ this particular matter. on the question of how he deals i this particular matter. on the | question of how he deals with this particular matter. on the i question of how he deals with it, you said he is very angry, presumably with more charges he will become increasingly angry. he is sitting in that doc having to control himself. what do you make of that? what is going through his head do you think? presumably he comes
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out with things in conversations that surprise you.— out with things in conversations that surprise you. could he actually imlode? that surprise you. could he actually implode? i— that surprise you. could he actually implode? i don't _ that surprise you. could he actually implode? i don't think _ that surprise you. could he actually implode? i don't think he _ that surprise you. could he actually implode? i don't think he can i implode? i don't think he can implode. he has lived a life under a great deal of pressure. being fred trump a's son, being a major player in new york real estate you not only need thick skin and sharp elbows, but you need to have game. whether you like him or hate him, he has game. although again he has never beenin game. although again he has never been in the situation and you add up potentially two or three other legal matters that could come to bite him or to haunt matters that could come to bite him orto haunt him, matters that could come to bite him or to haunt him, that added to the fact that he now has to campaign for president, which is more than a full—timejob, he is going to be under a tremendous amount of pressure. and again i wish that our justice system would focus on real crimes and let the voters decide who they want to suppress.—
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they want to suppress. gordon sondland, _ they want to suppress. gordon sondland, thank _ they want to suppress. gordon sondland, thank you _ they want to suppress. gordon sondland, thank you for i they want to suppress. gordon | sondland, thank you forjoining they want to suppress. gordon i sondland, thank you forjoining us tonight. sondland, thank you for 'oining us toniaht. . g sondland, thank you for 'oining us toniaht. . ~ i., coming in few minutes — ai weiwei at his new exhibition, on the black hole in his vast lego brick version of monet's lilies which represents the underground bunker in the gobi desert he and his family were forced to live in for five years when he was a little boy during the cultural revolution. there has been confusion and disagreement over the government announcement�*s today on adult social care funding for england, and the money that's actually being made available. what is definite is that the much vaunted social care revolution, integrating it with the nhs, has been kicked beyond the next general election. today ministers unveiled £2 billion of grants for the next two years, but that is a fraction of what is normally spent on social care. and, £600 million, some of it promised just months ago to help plug staff shortages, has been held back, despite the fact that there are currently half a million people waiting for care in england. here's kate. on a precipice, in crisis. social care has long been discussed as a long term problem.
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firstly because the uk's population is aging. while the number of children is expected to fall over the next 20 years, pensioners will grow by almost a third even when you take into account the planned rise in state pension age. as that happens, in england, the demand for care has also been rising. both among the growing numbers of older adults and people of working age. in august last year 600 people a day were thought to be joining waiting lists to be assessed for care in england. recent surveys have shown just one in seven people were satisfied with the provision. politicians wanting to revolutionise that system know it will require significant resources. last year the levelling up, housing and communities committee found the government urgently needed to allocate at least £7 billion more a year. where to find that has been a source of controversy. in 2010 labour distanced themselves from a floated idea to use an estate levy to pay for social care after it was branded a death tax. in 2017 theresa may's proposal to include property value
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in a social care cap was called a dementia tax. the latest idea, from 2021 was to fund services with a levy on national insurance. £1.7 billion was announced as dedicated to improving social care services. and although the health and social care levy was canceled by liz truss' government and not reintroduced under rishi sunak. the government says that commitment has not changed. the new plan released today though shows in some cases where it's allocated has shifted. a key area is staffing. vacancies are at an all time high and rose more than 50% in a year as the sector struggles to compete. in 2021 at least £500 million was committed over three years to fund training and qualifications for the workforce. now that figure over two years is just £250 million, which will include a framework for how people can progress in their career. then there's housing. in 2021 at least £300 million over three years was to increase the range of new supported housing.
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nowjust over £100 million over two years will support existing housing being adapted to let people stay at home for longer. a taskforce will advise how to unlock further investment. i was bitterly disappointed with the announcement from government today. really what we are seeing with the shift announced today is a shift away from a strategy that was the first step in a long—term programme to something that is more about fixing immediate problems, they are fire fighting the current challenges. big reforms to how much people pay for social care have already been delayed until 2025. the department of health argues areas like training haven't necessarily had funding cut, saying £600 million has yet to be allocated and could be used to top these areas up. we have got 250 million intraday�*s package which is going into, for instance, the training and support for social care. then the broader funding that is going through that
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is part of our overall work for social care, actually the reality is most of social care is the care workforce. it is a workforce that do the care. so when we put funding into the front line the vast majority of that funding is going to the care workers.— majority of that funding is going to the care workers. given the scale of the care workers. given the scale of the crisis and _ the care workers. given the scale of the crisis and the _ the care workers. given the scale of the crisis and the fact _ the care workers. given the scale of the crisis and the fact we _ the care workers. given the scale of the crisis and the fact we are i the crisis and the fact we are already— the crisis and the fact we are already 15_ the crisis and the fact we are already 15 months on since the government announced this investment, those millions need to be out _ investment, those millions need to be out on _ investment, those millions need to be out on the front line, helping people work in the sector will stop it is not— people work in the sector will stop it is not delivering any benefit being — it is not delivering any benefit being stuck in whitehall, not being out in _ being stuck in whitehall, not being out in the — being stuck in whitehall, not being out in the system. what there does seem to be in today's government plans is a new focus on discharging patients from hospital into care, aimed at reducing pressure on the nhs. now, delayed discharge is a problem around new year there were around 14,000 patients in hospital who didn't need to be. at times more than 50% of them had been there for three weeks or more. but if capacity in social care as a whole is not also improved in the long term there is of course a risk those discharged patients and others could seek
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help right back in a&e. social care might be a long term problem, but it has far reaching implications. joining us now is baroness ros altman, pensions ministerfrom 2015 to 2016, director—general the saga group, 2010 to 2013. thank you for joining us. as a conservative peer, how uncomfortable are you about what happened today. as kate said, this is firefighting, it is not the brave new world of integrated social care and the nhs in england, is it? ht and the nhs in england, is it? ut certainly isn't and the amount of money we are talking about may sound quite a lot, but in reality this crisis runs so deep that even the amounts that were talked about before, which have now in some cases halved, were not going to actually solve the problem. it doesn't really need radical rethinking because the
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crisis in social care and the failure of our social care system to look after the frail and vulnerable people needed is probably the biggest failing of social policy in modern times. d0 biggest failing of social policy in modern times.— biggest failing of social policy in modern times. do you take some responsibility _ modern times. do you take some responsibility for _ modern times. do you take some responsibility for that _ modern times. do you take some responsibility for that failure? i modern times. do you take some responsibility for that failure? as | responsibility for that failure? as a former government minister, as somebody who was an advocate for the changes in social care, you have not been able to deal with it either. you are right. and successive governments actually. since the 19905 governments actually. since the 1990s when we had a royal commission looking at how to reform social care, they have failed to get to grips with the problem. one of the underlying issues is that social care was sort of privatised back in the 1980s or so and that means that central government has farmed out responsibility for social care to
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cash—strapped councils who are struggling to cope and are not able to meet demand and that is itself having knock—on consequences on the nhs. but having knock-on consequences on the nhs. �* .,. having knock-on consequences on the nhs. �* .. , having knock-on consequences on the nhs. �* .,. , ., having knock-on consequences on the nhs. �* , ., , nhs. but the fact is, all the people often think, — nhs. but the fact is, all the people often think, and _ nhs. but the fact is, all the people often think, and it _ nhs. but the fact is, all the people often think, and it seems - nhs. but the fact is, all the people often think, and it seems that i nhs. but the fact is, all the people often think, and it seems that in i often think, and it seems that in many cases, 500,000 cases in england, that they are not a top priority. there are two things here. first of all, last year the levelling up housing and communities office committee found the government to urgently need to allocate at least £7 billion more a year. and then also we are in a situation where borisjohnson promised the social care revolution funded by the social care levy, that was then kibosh by liz truss. but rishi sunak chose not to bring it back. was that a failure by the new prime minister?— back. was that a failure by the new prime minister? well, the problem in
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an case prime minister? well, the problem in any case was — prime minister? well, the problem in any case was that _ prime minister? well, the problem in any case was that the _ prime minister? well, the problem in any case was that the amounts i prime minister? well, the problem in any case was that the amounts of i any case was that the amounts of money that were going to be raised by the so—called social care levy were mostly going to the nhs in the short term. tn were mostly going to the nhs in the short term. . g were mostly going to the nhs in the short term. . ~ , short term. in making his priorities. _ short term. in making his priorities, in _ short term. in making his priorities, in setting i short term. in making his priorities, in setting out | short term. in making his i priorities, in setting out his priorities, in setting out his priorities, i am asking you even though you think there were shortcomings in that social care levy, should rishi sunak have reinstituted it, reinstated it, i mean? t reinstituted it, reinstated it, i mean? ., �* ~' reinstituted it, reinstated it, i mean? ., �* ~ ., , ., ., ., mean? i don't think raising national insurance was _ mean? i don't think raising national insurance was the _ mean? i don't think raising national insurance was the right _ mean? i don't think raising national insurance was the right way, i i mean? i don't think raising national insurance was the right way, i thinkj insurance was the right way, i think it should be funded across the board from taxation and i think that the longer we delay in recognising that social care should have equal importance to health care, because there is this artificial distinction which leaves frail, vulnerable people without the care they need, and that is not what a civilised society should be doing, but the longer we don't fix it the longer we are going to have a crisis both in the nhs and in social care. {line
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are going to have a crisis both in the nhs and in social care. one big roblem the nhs and in social care. one big problem is — the nhs and in social care. one big problem is vacancies _ the nhs and in social care. one big problem is vacancies are _ the nhs and in social care. one big problem is vacancies are up - the nhs and in social care. one big problem is vacancies are up by i the nhs and in social care. one big| problem is vacancies are up by 50% in a year. do you think they should be fast tracked for specialist visas for people who are expert in dealing with the elderly and infirm? absolutely they should be but also there should be special routes for overseas workers who want to come and work in social care whether or not they are trained in terms of what you were talking about, they are a high quality workforce but it is notjust that. some of the more basic tasks, just basic looking after someone, basic tasks, just basic looking aftersomeone, caring basic tasks, just basic looking after someone, caring for them and being able tojust after someone, caring for them and being able to just be there. but the pay rates and social care reflect the fact that this has always been the fact that this has always been the cinderella part of the national care and health system. and the levels of pay now i so poor that people can earn more stacking
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supermarket shelves perhaps or serving in a supermarket than doing some of the most important and life changing and life supporting measures for people who need to have someone looking after them and cannot look after themselves. baroness, thank you forjoining us. ai weiwei is one of the most famous artists in the world, but infamous to the chinese authorities. to them he is an outspoken, critical troublemaker. eight years ago, after a period of imprisonment and then house arrest in shanghai, he left china and now lives in portugal, but his work is always about china and often using ordinary objects and found materials to comment on his country's past and present. when he was two the family was banished at the start of the cultural revolution, to the gobi desert in order to punish his father, then china's most famous poet, ai quing. for the first five years of that banishment they lived in an underground hole, with no light heat or water.
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the entrance to the "hellhole" is the artist's screensaver and also features in his new exhibition at the design museum in london, in a giant lego brick depiction of his late father's favourite painting of monet's water lilies. i met ai weiwei this morning before the exhibition opened. so tell me, you spent 18 years from the age of one or two in the desert, in the gobi desert. in this hole, only five years. five years, only five years in the hole? yes. but in here, you had no light. you had no water. completely dark, no colour. so for five years, when you were a little boy, no colour? yeah, no colour, no electricity, no water, you know, we had to bring the water in somewhere else. we couldn't even find a piece of paper, so. and did your father continue to work composing poetry? no, he's not. to do poetry, that means you are really anti—revolution. and he lost his eyesight because of no nutrition. one of the eyes blind.
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so this is the picture. that's your screensaver. did other families have to live in those circumstances or was it just your family? just my family living in that condition, as a sign of a punishment those people, not worse to live in same level, should be punished, you know, as anti—revolutionary. in a way, the most important thing for me, looking at it on the water lily, is the black door. yeah, all my work has to have connections to my personal story. i will never do a workjust for the so called pure beauty. i think the beauty only comes through your struggle, your, you know, the unthinkable situation. but you've shown with this exhibition you can't erase the past.
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tell me about about the tea spouts, where they all were found? well, the tea spouts is just one of the work, which looks very surreal, and hundreds of thousands of them. and they come from one area where they're firing those porcelains for emperors. if it had any little mistake, they would break it. so during the past years i started collecting them. and these were just thrown away as worthless. they were just discarded at the factory? no, it's in the whole town. if you start digging sometimes you'll find one piece or two pieces that gathered together from the, you know, the large, large area. what you also do is memorialise
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something really terrible that happened in the sichuan earthquake and very simple with the stamps of each individual child. tell me about making that, because if you looked at that, itjust looks decorative, doesn't it? in a few minutes, about 80,000 people vanished and among them, about 5,335 students. but i keep asking how students got killed, so we made hundreds of phone calls. but we went to these very remote areas to knock on the doors, visit their parents, to listen to their stories. so i kept doing artworks. so i think the name is very important. property belonged to those people. nothing else belonged to them. just the name. a name, since the old time, you know, people would have a seal. so i made all those seals and print each seal on this paper showing here. your mother is now 90.
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my mother is 90, yes. in china. do you think you will see her again? i think i will, but it's very uncertain because my mum always telling me do not come back. i mean, you're very, very good with technology. do you actually see her on...? oh, daily, almost. yes. and what do you talk about? oh, she always talk about take care of yourself, be safe. take care of your health. and, you know, all those things. mum, you know. she's a mum. and she kind feeling proud of what i'm doing, you know? if xijinping, and you won't mention his name, but if xijinping was to invite you to come back, what would you say? what would you do? i would go back immediately. i always want to help. you know, i'm an architect. and also i think i can encourage people to be more creative and more open.
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if you think about xi jinping's strategy now, do you think he is the kind of person that would want to align himself with putin over putin's invasion of ukraine? china has long strategy since chairman mao to have a relations with africa, south america. and now they realise russia would be their allies because they both think the world order need to be changed. and they both agree with many principles. but i don't think china would totally agree with russia. it's not possible. you have said that you're stopping work. but you've also built a new studio in portugal.
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