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hello, i'm christian fraser. this is the context. and this was a day of high level diplomacy. translation: it is important for us |that poland will be one of the main| partners in the reconstruction of ukraine. translation: china has proposed a peace plan i and we have welcomed it, but do we agree with it in its entirety? no. translation: russia is open to constructive partnerships i with all countries. we are not going to isolate ourselves from anyone. -
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good evening, welcome to the programme, we have got a packed two hours for you this evening. including a special investigation tonight into the execution of an unarmed ukrainian soldier. we will tell you who he was and who was involved. and we will get the thoughts of a formerjudge who sat on the panel of the international criminal court. big developments in scotland today, where police have arrested peter murrell, nicola sturgeon�*s husband, in connection to the snps fundraising and finances. but we will start with the split screen events we have watching through the day, president zelensy in warsaw, emmanuel macron in beijing. it's his first visit to china in four years. and from a chinese perspective, emmanuel macron is probably the most important politician in europe. it is the french president in particular, who has continued to engage with putin to find a diplomatic solution to this war in ukraine. and they see him as the man who can push the european union towards a more moderate position on china than the one the us is taking.
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translation: china has proposed a peace plan i and we have welcomed it. but do we agree with it in its entirety? no, but it is interesting. it shows willingness to commit to resolving the conflict and so if it is not a peace plan, it is a desire to have a responsibility to try and build a path towards peace. i hope to be able to participate in initiatives that are useful to the ukrainian population. but president macron will face challenges if he shows any support for china's blueprint for peace in ukraine, which has already been dismissed by the us and president zelensky who was today in warsaw. poland has taken in more than a million ukrainian refugees since russia invaded, and has played an instrumental role in persuading other western powers to supply tanks and increasingly sophisticared weaponry to ukraine. this was as much a thank you as working out a way forward. who was today in warsaw.
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translation: i would like to say and convey to our partners - who are constantly looking for compromises from ukraine on our session to nato that ukraine will be uncompromising on this question as well. and i'm grateful that poland will be with us on this path. an important point in our relations is the reconstruction of ukraine. it will bring closer our businesses and our nations. it is important for us that poland will be one of the main partners in the reconstruction of ukraine. and in la right now. tsai ing—wen is meeting _ and in la right now. tsai ing—wen is meeting with — and in la right now. tsai ing—wen is meeting with kevin mccarthy note in la not _ meeting with kevin mccarthy note in la not in _ meeting with kevin mccarthy note in la not in dc. and of course president _ la not in dc. and of course president tsai ing—wen successful
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example — president tsai ing—wen successful example of that bond taiwan's successful economy and global leader in heatth— successful economy and global leader in health and science.— in health and science. whether it is their dee- in health and science. whether it is their deep commercial _ in health and science. whether it is their deep commercial ties, - in health and science. whether it is their deep commercial ties, strong | their deep commercial ties, strong people to people relationships or shared values, our cooperation with the people of taiwan continued to expand through dialogue and exchange. the friendship between the people of taiwan and america is a matter of profound importance to the free world. it is critical to maintain economic freedom, peace and regional stability. we honour our obligations and reiterate our commitment to our shared values behind which all americans are united. today was a bipartisan meeting, republicans and democrats united together. in a place that symbolises the freedom and the commitment and the bond that
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has only become stronger with the president with us today. president tsai ing—wen? president with us today. president tsai ins-wen?— tsai ing-wen? speaker mccarthy, friends, i tsai ing-wen? speaker mccarthy, friends. i am _ tsai ing-wen? speaker mccarthy, friends, i am delighted _ tsai ing-wen? speaker mccarthy, friends, i am delighted to - tsai ing-wen? speaker mccarthy, friends, i am delighted to visit. tsai ing-wen? speaker mccarthy, | friends, i am delighted to visit the ronald _ friends, i am delighted to visit the ronald reagan presidential library once again. this time with speaker mccarthy— once again. this time with speaker mccarthy 6 — once again. this time with speaker mccarthy a distinguished members of the congress i want to thank speaker mccarthy— the congress i want to thank speaker mccarthy for his warm hospitality and for— mccarthy for his warm hospitality and for his— mccarthy for his warm hospitality and for his invitation to bipartisan congressional leaders who have taken time out _ congressional leaders who have taken time out of— congressional leaders who have taken time out of their busy schedules to join us _ time out of their busy schedules to join us today. their presence and unwavering — join us today. their presence and unwavering support reassure the people _ unwavering support reassure the peogie of— unwavering support reassure the people of taiwan that we are not isolated — people of taiwan that we are not isolated and we are not alone. it is especially— isolated and we are not alone. it is especially fitting for us to meet
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here _ especially fitting for us to meet here to — especially fitting for us to meet here to pay tribute to a distinguished american president and world leader. a man who also played a crucial _ world leader. a man who also played a crucial role — world leader. a man who also played a crucial role in partnership with us congress in protecting and fortifying us— taiwan relations at a time of— fortifying us— taiwan relations at a time of changing diplomatic realities. president reagan's assurances of 1982 on top of the act passed _ assurances of1982 on top of the act passed by— assurances of 1982 on top of the act passed by the congress laid the foundation for a strong and unique partnership of over four decades. during _ partnership of over four decades. during which we have maintained peace _ during which we have maintained peace and — during which we have maintained peace and promoted prosperity and welcome _ peace and promoted prosperity and welcome to taiwan's democracy. however. — welcome to taiwan's democracy. however, it is no secret that today
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the peace — however, it is no secret that today the peace that we have maintained and to— the peace that we have maintained and to the — the peace that we have maintained and to the democracy which we have worked _ and to the democracy which we have worked hard to build are facing unprecedented challenges. we once a-ain unprecedented challenges. we once again find _ unprecedented challenges. we once again find ourselves in a world where — again find ourselves in a world where democracy is under threat. and the urgency— where democracy is under threat. and the urgency of keeping the beacon of freedom _ the urgency of keeping the beacon of freedom shining cannot be understated. president reagan said it best _ understated. president reagan said it best. freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. it one generation away from extinction. it must _ one generation away from extinction. it must be _ one generation away from extinction. it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation. in the discussion with congressional ieaders _ the discussion with congressional leaders this morning i reiterated taiwan's— leaders this morning i reiterated taiwan's commitment to defending the
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peaceful— taiwan's commitment to defending the peaceful status quo. what people of taiwan may continue to strive in a free and _ taiwan may continue to strive in a free and open society. i also highlighted the belief which president reagan championed, that to preserve _ president reagan championed, that to preserve peace we must be strong. i would _ preserve peace we must be strong. i would like — preserve peace we must be strong. i would like to add that we are stronger— would like to add that we are stronger when we are together. the taiwanese stronger when we are together. tie: taiwanese president stronger when we are together. tt;e: taiwanese president tsai stronger when we are together. the; taiwanese president tsai ing—wen meeting hi speaker kevin mccarthy great pen with us tonight to discuss all that is happened today. thank you for your patience with being with us, isabel let's take in what has happened there in la. white
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house has put out a statement saying that there is no reason for beijing to turn this transit into something thatis to turn this transit into something that is used as a pretext to overreact. of course they are thinking back to what happened when nancy pelosi went to taiwan. how will beijing react with mark beijing will beijing react with mark beijing will react his beijing react to everything related to taiwan. that everything related to taiwan. at least the white house is his signalling _ least the white house is his signalling strongly- least the white house is his signalling strongly that - least the white house is hisj signalling strongly that they least the white house is his. signalling strongly that they are not endorsing _ signalling strongly that they are not endorsing it, _ signalling strongly that they are not endorsing it, they— signalling strongly that they are not endorsing it, they are - signalling strongly that they are not endorsing it, they are not. not endorsing it, they are not having — not endorsing it, they are not having a _ not endorsing it, they are not having a meeting _ not endorsing it, they are not having a meeting with - not endorsing it, they are not having a meeting with tsai i not endorsing it, they are not- having a meeting with tsai ing—wen and this— having a meeting with tsai ing—wen and this is— having a meeting with tsai ing—wen and this is in— having a meeting with tsai ing—wen and this is in la— having a meeting with tsai ing—wen and this is in la and _ having a meeting with tsai ing—wen and this is in la and not— and this is in la and not washington. _ and this is in la and not washington. so- and this is in la and not washington. so it - and this is in la and not washington. so it is - and this is in la and not| washington. so it is less and this is in la and not- washington. so it is less toxic. i don't _ washington. so it is less toxic. i don't think— washington. so it is less toxic. i don't think the _ washington. so it is less toxic. i don't think the white _ washington. so it is less toxic. i don't think the white house - washington. so it is less toxic. i. don't think the white house could signal— don't think the white house could signal anv— don't think the white house could signal any stronger— don't think the white house could signal any stronger that _ don't think the white house could signal any stronger that this - don't think the white house could signal any stronger that this is - signal any stronger that this is going — signal any stronger that this is going to — signal any stronger that this is going to happen, _ signal any stronger that this is going to happen, but- signal any stronger that this is going to happen, but not- signal any stronger that this isi going to happen, but not being promoted _ going to happen, but not being promoted-— going to happen, but not being romoted. ., ., promoted. looking for the skin and yana in promoted. looking for the skin and yang in the — promoted. looking for the skin and yang in the approach _ promoted. looking for the skin and yang in the approach to _ promoted. looking for the skin and yang in the approach to china, - promoted. looking for the skin and| yang in the approach to china, here you have it kevin mccarthy meeting the taiwanese president and emmanuel macron in beijing. the taiwanese president and emmanuel macron in beijing-—
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macron in bei'ing. emmanuel macron is ursuin: macron in beijing. emmanuel macron is pursuing his _ macron in beijing. emmanuel macron is pursuing his own _ macron in beijing. emmanuel macron is pursuing his own ambitions - macron in beijing. emmanuel macron is pursuing his own ambitions to - macron in beijing. emmanuel macron is pursuing his own ambitions to be l is pursuing his own ambitions to be a diplomatic— is pursuing his own ambitions to be a diplomatic player— is pursuing his own ambitions to be a diplomatic player of _ is pursuing his own ambitions to be a diplomatic player of a _ is pursuing his own ambitions to be a diplomatic player of a higher- a diplomatic player of a higher order — a diplomatic player of a higher order met _ a diplomatic player of a higher order. met with _ a diplomatic player of a higher order. met with not _ a diplomatic player of a higher order. met with not a - a diplomatic player of a higher order. met with not a lot - a diplomatic player of a higher order. met with not a lot of i a diplomatic player of a higher- order. met with not a lot of success in russia _ order. met with not a lot of success in russia but — order. met with not a lot of success in russia. but he _ order. met with not a lot of success in russia. but he will— order. met with not a lot of success in russia. but he will be _ order. met with not a lot of success in russia. but he will be given- order. met with not a lot of success in russia. but he will be given a - in russia. but he will be given a very— in russia. but he will be given a very warm welcome _ in russia. but he will be given a very warm welcome in - in russia. but he will be given a very warm welcome in beijing . in russia. but he will be given a - very warm welcome in beijing because he represents, — very warm welcome in beijing because he represents, for— very warm welcome in beijing because he represents, for china, _ very warm welcome in beijing because he represents, for china, the - he represents, for china, the possibility— he represents, for china, the possibility of _ he represents, for china, the possibility of keeping - he represents, for china, the possibility of keeping europe | he represents, for china, the - possibility of keeping europe from the embrace — possibility of keeping europe from the embrace of— possibility of keeping europe from the embrace of the _ possibility of keeping europe from the embrace of the united - possibility of keeping europe from the embrace of the united states. j possibility of keeping europe from i the embrace of the united states. 0r the embrace of the united states. or at least _ the embrace of the united states. or at least for— the embrace of the united states. or at least for being _ the embrace of the united states. or at least for being too _ the embrace of the united states. or at least for being too firmly - at least for being too firmly embraced _ at least for being too firmly embraced by— at least for being too firmly embraced by the _ at least for being too firmly embraced by the united - at least for being too firmly - embraced by the united states. that is a major— embraced by the united states. that is a major ambition _ embraced by the united states. that is a major ambition of— embraced by the united states. that is a major ambition of chinese - is a major ambition of chinese diplomacv~ _ is a major ambition of chinese diplomacy. the _ is a major ambition of chinese diplomacy. the war— is a major ambition of chinese diplomacy. the war in- is a major ambition of chinese diplomacy. the war in ukraine is a major ambition of chinese - diplomacy. the war in ukraine has as we know— diplomacy. the war in ukraine has as we know driven — diplomacy. the war in ukraine has as we know driven the _ diplomacy. the war in ukraine has as we know driven the us _ diplomacy. the war in ukraine has as we know driven the us and _ diplomacy. the war in ukraine has as we know driven the us and eu - we know driven the us and eu together— we know driven the us and eu together at— we know driven the us and eu together at a _ we know driven the us and eu together at a time _ we know driven the us and eu together at a time when - we know driven the us and eu together at a time when china j we know driven the us and eu - together at a time when china would wish them not — together at a time when china would wish them not to _ together at a time when china would wish them not to be _ together at a time when china would wish them not to be close. _ wish them not to be close. essentially, _ wish them not to be close. essentially, china - wish them not to be close. essentially, china sees - wish them not to be close. j essentially, china sees the wish them not to be close. . essentially, china sees the us wish them not to be close. - essentially, china sees the us as a loss because, _ essentially, china sees the us as a loss because, it— essentially, china sees the us as a loss because, it sees— essentially, china sees the us as a loss because, it sees it _ essentially, china sees the us as a loss because, it sees it as- essentially, china sees the us as a loss because, it sees it as an - loss because, it sees it as an enemy that will— loss because, it sees it as an enemy that will never— loss because, it sees it as an enemy that will never relent, _ loss because, it sees it as an enemy that will never relent, no _ that will never relent, no concession _ that will never relent, no concession to— that will never relent, no concession to be - that will never relent, no concession to be made . that will never relent, no . concession to be made that that will never relent, no - concession to be made that will change — concession to be made that will change us— concession to be made that will change us policv~ _ concession to be made that will change us policy. it _ concession to be made that will change us policy. it sees - concession to be made that will change us policy. it sees as. change us policy. it sees as promising _ change us policy. it sees as promising if— change us policy. it sees as promising. if macron - change us policy. it sees as promising. if macron and i change us policy. it sees asl promising. if macron and his position. _ promising. if macron and his position, perhaps _ promising. if macron and his position, perhaps the - promising. if macron and his position, perhaps the olaf .
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promising. if macron and his - position, perhaps the olaf scholz position— position, perhaps the olaf scholz position preserve _ position, perhaps the olaf scholz position preserve over— position, perhaps the olaf scholz position preserve over ursula - position preserve over ursula vandermeulen. _ position preserve over ursula vandermeulen. it— position preserve over ursula vandermeulen. it was - position preserve over ursula vandermeulen. it was also i position preserve over ursula| vandermeulen. it was also on position preserve over ursula - vandermeulen. it was also on the trip _ vandermeulen. it was also on the tri -. ., ., ., ., vandermeulen. it was also on the tri. ., ., ., ., ., trip. international criminal court in bei'in: trip. international criminal court in beijing today _ trip. international criminal court in beijing today he _ trip. international criminal court in beijing today he said - trip. international criminal court in beijing today he said he - trip. international criminal court in beijing today he said he had l trip. international criminal court in beijing today he said he had aj in beijing today he said he had a look at the peace plan but does not greet with all that but in his words he wants to participate in initiatives to the cream population —— macron in beijing today. initiatives to the cream population -- macron in beijing today.- -- macron in bei'ing today. those words are -- macron in beijing today. those words are meaningless _ -- macron in beijing today. those words are meaningless unless - -- macron in beijing today. those i words are meaningless unless what china is talking about is putting pressure on russia to withdraw troops in ukraine to stop this is a war started by russia and could be ended by russia. if china wants to make an effort to prevent, prevail upon russia to end the world —— war i'm sure that would be welcome but until that happens i don't think either the polls or the ukrainians or anyone in washington or in most european capitals are going to be very impressed by the conversation. the nato secretary—general said
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today that russia was my decision to deploy tactical nuclear weapons to belarus shows moscow has empty promises with china. we will get the beijing view on a second but i want if that changes in strategic equation in warsaw and for the baltic countries. it equation in warsaw and for the baltic countries.— equation in warsaw and for the baltic countries. it doesn't really chance it baltic countries. it doesn't really change it to _ baltic countries. it doesn't really change it to the _ baltic countries. it doesn't really change it to the tactical - baltic countries. it doesn't really change it to the tactical nuclearl change it to the tactical nuclear weapons that putin has her now can already at the baltic states or poland or berlin so talking about moving them to belarus come up as the estate has not happened yet, it is rhetoric, it is a way of reminding everyone that russia has nuclear power in creating anxiety. it is how russians exercise deterrence against the western powers. i don't think anyone is taking it seriously as some kind of new threat. 50 taking it seriously as some kind of new threat-— new threat. so we should not give the impression _ new threat. so we should not give the impression that _ new threat. so we should not give the impression that macron - new threat. so we should not give the impression that macron is - new threat. so we should not give the impression that macron is a i new threat. so we should not give i the impression that macron is a show soft touch of this. he said today that we made it clear anyone helping the aggressor would be an accomplice in breach of international law. he
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is of course nodding to the suspicion in the west that china is supplying legal aid or at least parts for legal aid. it is supplying legal aid or at least parts for legal aid. it is important not to caricature _ parts for legal aid. it is important not to caricature emmanuel - parts for legal aid. it is important - not to caricature emmanuel macron's condition— not to caricature emmanuel macron's condition the first point on that front— condition the first point on that front is— condition the first point on that front is that he knows perfectly well what the chinese game is all about _ well what the chinese game is all about. one of the reasons that he has taken — about. one of the reasons that he has taken with him to beijing ursula. — has taken with him to beijing ursula, he wanted not to be seen as 'ust ursula, he wanted not to be seen as just the _ ursula, he wanted not to be seen as just the french president but as a european — just the french president but as a european show of unity. macron tried last year— european show of unity. macron tried last year to _ european show of unity. macron tried last year to get olaf scholz to go to beijing and he decided to go alone. he did not want to do that. i think— alone. he did not want to do that. i think that _ alone. he did not want to do that. i think that is — alone. he did not want to do that. i think that is part of the message that he is— think that is part of the message that he is trying to bring. yes, he wants— that he is trying to bring. yes, he wants to — that he is trying to bring. yes, he wants to put pressure on china to try to _ wants to put pressure on china to try to put — wants to put pressure on china to try to put pressure on russia over its war— try to put pressure on russia over its war in— try to put pressure on russia over its war in ukraine, but he wants to do that— its war in ukraine, but he wants to do that alongside ursula whose views he knows _ do that alongside ursula whose views he knows very well are different to
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his post _ he knows very well are different to his post she is been much more outspoken _ his post she is been much more outspoken. but i think the idea in france _ outspoken. but i think the idea in france is — outspoken. but i think the idea in france is that this is a double act that is— france is that this is a double act that is a — france is that this is a double act that is a stronger show of force in as far— that is a stronger show of force in as far as— that is a stronger show of force in as far as they can exert any pressure _ as far as they can exert any pressure than if he had gone by himself — pressure than if he had gone by himself. , ., , , , �* himself. there is a split, isn't there was _ himself. there is a split, isn't there was mac _ himself. there is a split, isn't there was mac between - himself. there is a split, isn't there was mac between the i himself. there is a split, isn't i there was mac between the likes himself. there is a split, isn't - there was mac between the likes of rishi and emmanuel macron who thinks there needs to be some pragmatism in this relationship and ursula, who such as this week saying we need to scale back relations with in an increasingly assertive china. but also usin: increasingly assertive china. but also using the word de—risking which is the _ also using the word de—risking which is the phrase ursula has coined to to try— is the phrase ursula has coined to to try to— is the phrase ursula has coined to to try to distinguish the european and american position. but macron and american position. but macron and ursula — and american position. but macron and ursula know each other very well _ and ursula know each other very well she — and ursula know each other very well. she came to paris and have lunch— well. she came to paris and have lunch with — well. she came to paris and have lunch with them on monday before going _ lunch with them on monday before going on— lunch with them on monday before going on this trip. they know their positions — going on this trip. they know their positions are slightly different and they think that this could be a way to playing — they think that this could be a way to playing it to your's advantage to
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have these — to playing it to your's advantage to have these two voices at the same time _ have these two voices at the same time i_ have these two voices at the same time. i think the judgment in france is that, _ time. i think the judgment in france is that, it _ time. i think the judgment in france is that, it is— time. i think the judgment in france is that, it is worth despite those differences to make this trip together and trying to air some of the things— together and trying to air some of the things macron once the air he wants— the things macron once the air he wants to — the things macron once the air he wants to talk about uyghur muslims, and not _ wants to talk about uyghur muslims, and notjust the businessmen wants to talk about uyghur muslims, and not just the businessmen that are in— and not just the businessmen that are in the — and not just the businessmen that are in the plane with them but he will have that kind of dialogue. | will have that kind of dialogue. want talk will have that kind of dialogue. i want talk about this in the will have that kind of dialogue. t want talk about this in the context of the wall streetjournal —— journalist who has been taken. white house saying in the last few minutes that they have no consular access to him. we know that he's being held in a prison somewhere in moscow. does that suggest in washington they don't think there any point in trying to negotiate that he's taking reckless decisions beyond normal diplomacy?
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reckless decisions beyond normal diloma ? ., ., ., ., , diplomacy? there are negotiations that no diplomacy? there are negotiations that go on. — diplomacy? there are negotiations that go on, about _ diplomacy? there are negotiations that go on, about prisoners - diplomacy? there are negotiations that go on, about prisoners of- diplomacy? there are negotiations| that go on, about prisoners of war, ukraine, the nuclear power plant thatis ukraine, the nuclear power plant that is in the middle of the war zone and the us has observers and some of those negotiations so it is not true that there is no conversation. it may be that they are just telling the truth. they had no consular access, they have not been allowed to see this kidnapped journalist, have not had any conversation with him. i do think this is being perceived in washington as a kidnapping. it is an act of aggression. they are going to use him to trade for something. and already it is being understood as an open anti—american acts even in the middle of the war. so it will certainly not help make any negotiation friendly, or otherwise easier. ~ ., ., easier. would you feel comfortable workinu easier. would you feel comfortable workin: in easier. would you feel comfortable working in russia _ easier. would you feel comfortable working in russia right _ easier. would you feel comfortable working in russia right now? - easier. would you feel comfortable
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working in russia right now? no. i| working in russia right now? no. i have not been _ working in russia right now? no. i have not been there _ working in russia right now? no. i have not been there for _ working in russia right now? no. i have not been there for a - working in russia right now? tip. t have not been there for a number of years and now i am on a bands list in any case. years and now i am on a bands list in any case-— in any case. bring all of this together— in any case. bring all of this together for— in any case. bring all of this together for us. _ in any case. bring all of this together for us. so - in any case. bring all of this together for us. so much i in any case. bring all of this - together for us. so much diplomacy togetherfor us. so much diplomacy in la, in warsaw, in beijing, china sits right at the heart of this. do you think a decision has been made in beijing as to which way they will go in relation to the war in ukraine?— go in relation to the war in ukraine? �* , ., , ., ., ukraine? there's no sign that china is backin: ukraine? there's no sign that china is backing off _ ukraine? there's no sign that china is backing off its _ ukraine? there's no sign that china is backing off its support _ ukraine? there's no sign that china is backing off its support for - is backing off its support for russia _ is backing off its support for russia at— is backing off its support for russia. at all. _ is backing off its support for russia. at all. the - is backing off its support for russia. at all. the internall russia. at all. the internal propaganda _ russia. at all. the internal propaganda continues- russia. at all. the internal propaganda continues to i russia. at all. the internali propaganda continues to be russia. at all. the internal- propaganda continues to be very russia. at all. the internal— propaganda continues to be very much repeating _ propaganda continues to be very much repeating the — propaganda continues to be very much repeating the russian _ propaganda continues to be very much repeating the russian lines. _ propaganda continues to be very much repeating the russian lines. there - repeating the russian lines. there has been — repeating the russian lines. there has been no — repeating the russian lines. there has been no phone _ repeating the russian lines. there has been no phone call— repeating the russian lines. there has been no phone call with - has been no phone call with president _ has been no phone call with president zelensky- has been no phone call with president zelensky who - has been no phone call withj president zelensky who was has been no phone call with - president zelensky who was touted as a possible _ president zelensky who was touted as a possible balancing _ president zelensky who was touted as a possible balancing act _ president zelensky who was touted as a possible balancing act when - a possible balancing act when president _ a possible balancing act when president xi _ a possible balancing act when president xi visited _ a possible balancing act when president xi visited president| a possible balancing act when - president xi visited president putin the first— president xi visited president putin the first after— president xi visited president putin the first after xi _ president xi visited president putin the first after xi jinping's _ the first after xi jinping's confirmation— the first after xi jinping's confirmation of- the first after xi jinping's confirmation of his - the first after xi jinping's confirmation of his new. the first after xi jinping's - confirmation of his new term. i really— confirmation of his new term. i really don't _ confirmation of his new term. i really don't see _ confirmation of his new term. i really don't see that _ confirmation of his new term. i really don't see that this - confirmation of his new term. i really don't see that this visit i really don't see that this visit will make _ really don't see that this visit will make any— really don't see that this visit will make any difference - really don't see that this visit will make any difference in i really don't see that this visit - will make any difference in terms of xi jinping's—
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will make any difference in terms of xi jinping's willingness _ will make any difference in terms of xi jinping's willingness to _ will make any difference in terms of xi jinping's willingness to deviate i xi jinping's willingness to deviate from _ xi jinping's willingness to deviate from his— xi jinping's willingness to deviate from his support _ xi jinping's willingness to deviate from his support for _ xi jinping's willingness to deviate from his support for russia. - xi jinping's willingness to deviate i from his support for russia. peace plan has _ from his support for russia. peace plan has no — from his support for russia. peace plan has no diplomatic— from his support for russia. peace i plan has no diplomatic underpinning. it is plan has no diplomatic underpinning. it is not _ plan has no diplomatic underpinning. it is not a _ plan has no diplomatic underpinning. it is not a plan — plan has no diplomatic underpinning. it is not a plan. there _ plan has no diplomatic underpinning. it is not a plan. there is _ plan has no diplomatic underpinning. it is not a plan. there is not - plan has no diplomatic underpinning. it is not a plan. there is not a - it is not a plan. there is not a kind _ it is not a plan. there is not a kind of— it is not a plan. there is not a kind of way— it is not a plan. there is not a kind of way forward with - it is not a plan. there is not a kind of way forward with the i it is not a plan. there is not a - kind of way forward with the plan. and until— kind of way forward with the plan. and until he — kind of way forward with the plan. and until he acknowledges - kind of way forward with the plan. and until he acknowledges that i kind of way forward with the plan. i and until he acknowledges that the ukrainians— and until he acknowledges that the ukrainians have _ and until he acknowledges that the ukrainians have a _ and until he acknowledges that the ukrainians have a voice _ and until he acknowledges that the ukrainians have a voice in - and until he acknowledges that the ukrainians have a voice in this, - and until he acknowledges that the ukrainians have a voice in this, it i ukrainians have a voice in this, it won't end — ukrainians have a voice in this, it won't end-— won't end. interesting. isabel helton thank— won't end. interesting. isabel helton thank you _ won't end. interesting. isabel helton thank you for - won't end. interesting. isabel helton thank you for your - won't end. interesting. isabel| helton thank you for your time won't end. interesting. isabel- helton thank you for your time this evening. let's look at some of the other stories making headlines today here in the uk... the home office has confirmed it has leased a barge to house asylum seekers in dorset. the uk government says it is costing more than six million pounds a day to house migrants in hotels — the barge said the home office is a �*significantly cheaper�* solution. around 500 migrants will be accommodated on the vessel in portland in the south of england. the husband of former scottish first minister nicola sturgeon, has been arrested in an investigation into the snp finances and fundraising. peter murrell was the snp's chief executive from 1999
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until his resignation just last month. police scotland said officers are carrying out searches at several properties as part of their investigation. the new first minister of scotland humza yousaf said it was �*a difficult day�* for the party. andrew kerr is in glasgow for us. i understand that the police had eight hours to either charge or release him what has happened? just some release him what has happened? tt,3t some breaking news in the past few minutes, we havejust heard some breaking news in the past few minutes, we have just heard from police scotland that the former chief executive, peter murrell is indeed been released without charge pending further investigation by police scotland after being arrested at his home, the one he shares with nicola sturgeon, the former first minister of scotland. so we just got that news in the last few minutes. a statement in the police saying they searched a number of addresses in
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part of the investigation. that was of course the house, the headquarters of the s&p in edinburgh as well. a report will be sent to the crown office and fiscal service for further considerations —— the crown office and fiscal service forfurther considerations —— snp. for further considerations —— snp. so forfurther considerations —— snp. so very difficult day for the snp today. that is with current first mr humza yousaf was saying, it's difficult and challenging day and actually this evening nicola sturgeon the former first mr release a statement through a spokesperson saying she had no prior knowledge of police scotland's actions or intentions and that she will fully cooperate with police scotland if required however at this time no such request has been made. thank ou ve such request has been made. thank you very much _ such request has been made. thank you very much indeed. _ police forces around the world have taken part in a major operation to dismantle one of the biggest online criminal marketplaces. genesis market is thought to have sold personal information that was stolen from more than two million people to fraudsters — enabling them to impersonate the victims without raising any suspicion. browser details, ip addresses, physical locations were on sale
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for less than a dollar — allowing criminals to access bank and shopping accounts. the raids took place in 17 countries led by the fbi and dutch police. come to the door! police! come to the door! a dawn raid on grimsby at the home of a suspected fraudster. the start of an international operation against alleged hackers who steal from online bank accounts and shopping sites. here, officers from the national crime agency and the police arrested a man in his 30s on suspicion of fraud and computer misuse. one of 2a people arrested in the uk. the target of the raids was the genesis market website, a one—stop shop for hackers who could log in and buy stolen passwords for bank accounts, paypal accounts and accounts for services like amazon, uber and netflix. what was particularly dangerous about the data being sold on the genesis market website was that it wasn't just log in details. the hackers could purchase
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all of what is known as your digital fingerprints, your browser information, your ip address and your physical location. so that when the hackers logged in to a bank account or shopping website it really did look as if they were the original user. hackers trying to use genesis market today did not get the usual login page. rather, they got this message from the fbi saying the website had been seized as part of operation cookie monster — a reference to the fact that one of the things that genesis market was selling was computer cookies to help hackers impersonate genuine users. for too long, criminals have stolen credentials from innocent members of the public. we now want criminals to be afraid that we have their credentials, and they should be. and people today are getting a knock on their door, the national crime agency advised members of the public that, to avoid fraud, they should always take software updates on their phones and computers, they should use strong passwords and, where possible, use two factor authentication. that's when a text message
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with a one use password is sent as part of the login process. daniels with to be here at the studio. a significant piece of international police work. what else could you buy on this website? the oint was could you buy on this website? the point was it — could you buy on this website? tte: point was it was the could you buy on this website? t“te: point was it was the whole suite. that was what was so problematic for law enforcement. not only usernames, passwords, information about what browsers people used, fingerprints of browsers, ip addresses, which allowed people to impersonate someone else's computer but also the software that could allow you to do that. those part of the service, genesis market was selling the software with the could go on and plug in the information they bought and try and login into someone else's bank account or shopping account. that they logged into your e—mail account of course than they could take total control of that part of your life. they could even change passwords, the message would come back from the shopping website,
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saying that, you to change her password and if they are in your e—mail account and they can change or shopping account password. happily spending money on your bank account. the happily spending money on your bank account. ., , happily spending money on your bank account. . , ., account. the remarkable thing to me is that it was — account. the remarkable thing to me is that it was not _ account. the remarkable thing to me is that it was not on _ account. the remarkable thing to me is that it was not on the _ account. the remarkable thing to me is that it was not on the dark- account. the remarkable thing to me is that it was not on the dark web. i is that it was not on the dark web. this was on the open web. you can go and find it today, if you want to. think that is where law enforcement comes into some criticism around this present was a website operating since 2017—2018. it was being written about by web security companies for some years, being pointed out in a number of articles in the public domain. it took until today for them to work out how to take it down. i think their defence of that would be, it needed big international coordination and the dutch police and the fbi worked out, 0k, dutch police and the fbi worked out, ok, this is how we will do it. the fbi then pulled in their allies and the dutch pulled in their allies and that allowed them to do this really
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nice coordinated action across the country. nice coordinated action across the count . ., ., ~' nice coordinated action across the count . ., ., ,, ., . country. looking at the crime fiuures, country. looking at the crime figures, cybercrime _ country. looking at the crime figures, cybercrime goes - country. looking at the crime i figures, cybercrime goes under country. looking at the crime - figures, cybercrime goes under the radar and it is a significant problem. could the people who might have had their information put on this website, to be confident that it still won't be used? tia this website, to be confident that it still won't be used?— it still won't be used? no is a simle it still won't be used? no is a simple answer. _ it still won't be used? no is a simple answer. he _ it still won't be used? no is a simple answer. he could - it still won't be used? no is a. simple answer. he could check whether your information by going onto the dutch website you could tell it if your information was for sale, but if it was for sale that someone could've possibly kept that data and make for sale elsewhere. so if you discover your information was for sale that the you need to get in and change all of your password. keep changing your passwords and look after personal information, a warning. thank you, daniel, and extruding and station concept in countries around the world today. stay with us. going for a short break but when we come back, we will show you our investigation into a war crime committed in ukraine, the execution of an unarmed, unknown soldier. he will tell you he was,
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where was and who we think may be responsible. be right back. hello there. not quite as much sunshine around today. for many, it's been quite a cloudy day, and there's been some outbreaks of rain, some of it quite drizzly at times, a bit of a nuisance, really. and all that cloud and rain is spilling its way steadily eastwards. there's several weather fronts that have been invading from the far north—west, that's where the strongest of the winds have been as well today. the best of the sunshine across south—east england, but it's not lasting because the cloud arrives and the rain will push its way in. you can see a slightly darker blue. there's more intensity to the rain in the back edge of that wet weather. so there will be some heavier bursts from time to time slowly clearing its way eastwards. so, through the night, quite a lot of cloud around, yes, some outbreaks of rain, slowly improving across western scotland and northern ireland, here, a few scattered showers, but we keep that cloud and rain
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first thing in the morning. so temperatures are going to hold up above freezing, generally around 6—9 celsius. so a mild start to thursday, but it could be a cloudy and a rather wet one out to the east, as that frontal system's still yet to clear. a little ridge of high pressure starts to build in behind, and that means that the start of the easter weekend is looking quite promising. but for thursday morning, then, grey, dull and damp along the east for a time, slowly brightening up from the west. but there will be a rash of showers developing with that northwesterly wind feeding them in on the exposed coast, some of them heavy, maybe the odd rumble of thunder as well from time to time, with top temperatures ranging from 9—11; celsius. now, as we move out of thursday into friday, that ridge of high pressure is set to build. it is going to last for the beginning of the easter weekend, but weather fronts starting to push in from the west, threatening certainly by easter monday. so for easter weekend, i suspect we could be chasing some cloud amounts around. let's take a look in
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a little more detail. along the east coast on friday, an easterly feed mightjust produce a little more cloud on those exposed east coasts. sheltered west perhaps seeing the best of the sunshine, but a good deal of dry weather generally across the country, and, again, 10—14 celsius. as we move out of good friday into the start of the weekend, saturday looks dry and settled, and the same too, really for easter sunday, maybe a little bit of rain from time to time, but the rain certainly is expected to arrive as we move into easter monday. that's it. take care.
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welcome back. this is the context. the united states says it supports the call for a special tribunal to investigate crimes of aggression in ukraine. tonight, our investigation into the execution of an unarmed ukrainian soldier. a war crime, captured on tape. just one case among thousands that are still to be prosecuted. since russia's full—scale invasion of ukraine in february last year, over 70,000 possible war crimes have been committed by the russian armed forces. the sheer volume of the work facing prosecutors is so big,
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it could take them decades to bring the perpetrators to court. there are thousands of videos of alleged atrocities circulating on social media. one such film appeared in the first week of march. this is the video, widely seen on twitter. the man in the picture an unarmed, ukrainian soldier. it's a video of an execution. with the help of ukrainian producer 0lga malchevska we have been investigating that video and the open source material that goes around it, to make sense of what happened. it took several weeks, which reveals to us just how time consuming just one of these investigations will be. a warning: some of this report is distressing from the start. the battle for back moot. it is the longest sustained brush assault of the wharf. —— russian or salt of the
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war. and in the fight for the control of the town and the reach to it, both sides have suffered grievously. neither will divulge any accurate figure of how many have been killed. but in the midst of this savage conflict, there are some horrific crimes being committed. 0ne horrific crimes being committed. one of which was captured on film. translation: when we set out on this investigation some weeks ago, we had still not confirmed the name of the man in this video. the confusion around his identity stemmed from the initial statement issued by the ukrainian military.— initial statement issued by the ukrainian military. according to preliminary _ ukrainian military. according to preliminary information, - ukrainian military. according to preliminary information, and i preliminary information, and armoured soldier shot by russian war
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criminals. the final answer will be given by a relevant examination. the name we were given was timothy show dora. this is him. he is from a village northwest of kyiv and you will notice that he does in fact bear some resemblance to the dead soldier in our video. we know he had gone missing in the new year around the town of zell and snow discussed. this was 12 miles from where the execution video was filmed the army said the body was still lying behind enemy lines but a journalist who had spoken the ukrainian focuses in that area questioned whether the dead man was in mac dhadura. a new name was now being circulated. from this picture taken sometime prior to his death you will see that he has a caught any plaster above the right eye which matches what we see in the video. we have since made contact with the man who was commanding his
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unit. translation: ~ , , translation: we were set up in the bushes which — translation: we were set up in the bushes which meant _ translation: we were set up in the bushes which meant it _ translation: we were set up in the bushes which meant it was _ translation: we were set up in the bushes which meant it was difficult i bushes which meant it was difficult to keep our eyes on each other, difficult to communicate with all the blast and shooting. the guys managed to get closer and that's when they found the two bodies in a tiny trench. we knew they were ours, but we couldn't tell who they were. they had been stripped of their weapons. matsievskyi was 42 from a place northeast in kyiv. he worked in russia, was divorced with her son and before the war has worked as an electrician. by march when the video began to circulate the electrician. by march when the video began to circulate— began to circulate the family had already been _ began to circulate the family had already been informed _ began to circulate the family had already been informed that - began to circulate the family had already been informed that he i began to circulate the family had i already been informed that he was dead and the body already returned to them. we know that he had gone to the front where he had been missing in action since december. this is video that was filmed around that
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same time of russian soldiers coming under heavy fire, trying to advance on the town. the family have been given very little detail on how he had been killed but then came this video of the execution which by now was attracting worldwide attention. it was seen by his mother. here is the one interview that she has given to german media.
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no remember and until this point we had thought and reported that it was this man, dhadura. the worlds media, including the bbc, how to issue a correction. from that moment alexander would become the face of the resistance. his face had been appearing all over social media and on the artwork of sides of beatings. a week later president lindsay resented alexander's mother with the golden star. glory to ukraine, which were alexander's final words. so where was she killed? why was he alone,
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seemingly isolated from his unit, and who were the russians that killed him. alexander had joined the fight in march 2022. his commander said he had had less than two weeks training. he belonged to 163 battalion, the 119 brigade of the territorial defence force. it's a not a regular unit, volunteers. there are these units that are all over ukraine. in fact the bbc filmed such a team last year. usually, the line of command for these units is pretty vague and putting it bluntly these men and women are not normally at the front of the queue when it comes to the supply of weapons and ammunition. translation: ~ ., �* ., translation: we don't have walkie-talkies _ translation: we don't have walkie-talkies for _ translation: we don't have walkie-talkies for each - translation: we don't have walkie-talkies for each solar. | translation: we don't have i walkie-talkies for each solar. we walkie—talkies for each solar. we have one per unit, because having one for every soldier would be too expensive. 0ne walkie—talkie costs 1000 us dollars. i have machine guns in my unit from the 1930s. they are
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around 80 years old. with machine guns on wheels, i am expected to intercept the uranian made drones. since summer and until our trip, my unit had shooting training, maybe three times. 30 rounds each time. so, who killed him was not the inexperienced soldier with an old gun and limited ammunition. from my investigation we have geo— located alexander's last known position close to this farm truck on the eastern outskirts. as the crow flies, it is around two miles from seller. you will notice as we go closer in there is this wooded area closer in there is this wooded area close to the farm track which corresponds to the trees that we see behind alexander and the video. in fact, we can be even more precise than that. we have uncovered the exact co—ordinates. alexander died at this exact spot. but who was at that killed him's without signals
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intelligence which belongs to the army and the prosecutor, there is only so much we can do. but let's start with this map that was taken from the social media telegram channel. this group is russian mercenaries who have played a significant role in the fighting in this part of ukraine. this map is dated from the 30th of december, the very day that alexander was executed. if we take it and put it over the top of the google map you will see that there's advancing red is practically right on top of alexander's position. for much of december the russian advanced had stalled, but on the 27th three days before alexander's death the russians spearheaded by this group began advancing from the south and from the east. it is a class six pincer movement. these pictures from shortly after show ukrainian military fighting back. you can see
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the ferocity of the fighting. the same day he was killed, the official telegram channel of the russian ministry of defence claim russian forces in the town conducting their special military operation have killed up to 50 ukrainian military personnel. but there is a bitter divide between the ministry of defence and this man, the man who runs wagner. he was not about to let the army take credit for this advance, and here he is in february congratulating his men who by that time had fought their way to the outskirts of the city. around that same time he was posting on the social media message wrap that it was his man who had taken him. in this post they issue a statement which
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says, and we have found within these very same channels of communication a series of photographs of these men inside the town. again, we have deal located these photographs. this one was taken at the western exit of krasna hora, and this one from within the town, this is outside the construction factory, puts them down here on the southwest edge of the town. now many of these men who were fighting at this time in eastern ukraine were former russian convicts who were offered pardons if they served and survive six months. in just the past week some have returned to russia. but many have not. there are russian mothers and wives posting photographs on telegram of loved ones who have simply disappeared. in february, around the same time alexander's
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body was returned to his family, there was film from russia of scores of these unnamed coffins that have been returned from the same battle. many were killed, and some were captured. 0ur colleague had spoken to the prosecutor general of ukraine about his investigation.— about his investigation. russians are demolishing _ about his investigation. russians are demolishing the _ about his investigation. russians are demolishing the evidence - about his investigation. russians| are demolishing the evidence and about his investigation. russians - are demolishing the evidence and our task is to try to find out everything possible once again. itrufhat everything possible once again. what source ou everything possible once again. what source you have _ everything possible once again. what source you have to _ everything possible once again. what source you have to identify those people _ source you have to identify those people who kills the unknown soldier's _ people who kills the unknown soldier's of people who kills the unknown soldier' ., .., , people who kills the unknown soldier' ., _, , ., ,, soldier's of course it will take time, soldier's of course it will take time. but _ soldier's of course it will take time, but one _ soldier's of course it will take time, but one of— soldier's of course it will take time, but one of the - soldier's of course it will take time, but one of the sources| soldier's of course it will take i time, but one of the sources we soldier's of course it will take - time, but one of the sources we have are prisoners of war which are in our possession. we will try to concentrate our efforts not only with open source intelligence but other sources of intelligence information in order to find who can
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make committed this crime. bfiidea make committed this crime. video which started _ make committed this crime. video which started our— make committed this crime. video which started our investigation - make committed this crime. video which started our investigation is i which started our investigation is of course a crucial piece of evidence. alexander had clearly surrendered. he had been stripped of his weapons, he was compliant, so much so that he was smoking a cigarette. the geneva convention states it is a war crime to kill a prisoner of war who has laid down his arms and surrendered. it states killing or wounding a combatant who had laid down his arms and having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion, is a war crime. tt surrendered at discretion, is a war crime. ., ., . ., ., crime. it intentional execution of the prisoner _ crime. it intentional execution of the prisoner of _ crime. it intentional execution of the prisoner of war. _ crime. it intentional execution of the prisoner of war. so, - crime. it intentional execution of the prisoner of war. so, which i the prisoner of war. so, which violates all possible international humanitarian law obligations. hagar humanitarian law obligations. how many russian _ humanitarian law obligations. how many russian war— humanitarian law obligations. how many russian war crimes have you committed — many russian war crimes have you committed so far's we many russian war crimes have you committed so far'_ committed so far's we have documented _ committed so far's we have documented 72000 - committed so far's we have i documented 72000 incidents committed so far's we have - documented 72000 incidents of war crimes. yellow hope documented 72000 incidents of war crimes- yello— crimes. yellow how much resource does it take? _
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crimes. yellow how much resource does it take? some _ crimes. yellow how much resource does it take? some of _ crimes. yellow how much resource does it take? some of them - crimes. yellow how much resource does it take? some of them took i does it take? some of them took months, does it take? some of them took months. and _ does it take? some of them took months, and they _ does it take? some of them took months, and they are _ does it take? some of them took months, and they are still - months, and they are still committed. 0n ukrainian land and against ukrainian people. in committed. on ukrainian iand and against ukrainian people.- against ukrainian people. in this case, the challenge _ against ukrainian people. in this case, the challenge is _ against ukrainian people. in this case, the challenge is not - against ukrainian people. in this case, the challenge is not so - against ukrainian people. in this i case, the challenge is not so much proving a war crime was committed. it's proving who was present and who is responsible in the chain of command. and that, as a prosecutor says, is time—consuming. for investigators it means notjust looking at the physical evidence but pulling all open source material, identifying people, verifying movements, documenting it, making sense of it. these are pictures of an investigation where a50 bodies, most of them civilians, were found in a mass grave in september. each with an individual story, and there are more than 70,000 other individual stories. this man was asked whether it was his man who killed alexander. the earlier post. statements about his movements seem at odds with the denials he is now
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posting on telegram. he tries to suggest the video is a fake and he questions whether there is any proof of his units involvement. if that can be proved, he says, then we will of course investigate it in detail. it will be of some comfort to alexander's family that in this case, a body was returned, and that he was formally identified. and we have since been interred in his hometown. let's not forget where our story started. timothy dhadura. 0ne story started. timothy dhadura. one of the other men in alexander's unit who were killed that very same day. the family say they have heard nothing. and they continue to wait for news. so in many ways, this case is still far from closed. with us tonight in the studio our ukrainian producer 0lga malchesvska, who has done so much work on this investigation. and from la, we are honoured to have with usjudge chile ebo—0suji
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who was formerly president of the international criminal court. let me start with you, although if i may, because i have watched over the last few weeks how much work you have put into this. and we will come back to that in a second but i know that alexander was only one of the men on that front line on that particular date and you want to talk about the other two men who you have now identified.— now identified. thank you very much. yes i “ust now identified. thank you very much. yes i just wanted _ now identified. thank you very much. yes i just wanted to _ now identified. thank you very much. yes i just wanted to mention - now identified. thank you very much. yes i just wanted to mention the - yes ijust wanted to mention the millions of people who were killed those were two other people who are also apparently in the trench but they were not identified straightaway. it has been confirmed that they were killed, and also there are two people who are still considered to be missing. taste there are two people who are still considered to be missing. we must resume considered to be missing. we must presume they have _ considered to be missing. we must presume they have been _ considered to be missing. we must presume they have been subdued i considered to be missing. we must| presume they have been subdued in some way, they were probably prisoners of wars as well, so it might not be just alexander we just
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don't know at this moment in time. i also want people to get up feel for how difficult it is for ukrainian journalists to do this work because this is your country. and i have watched in the newsroom as you have gone through these videos. some pretty awful videos that have been posted by russian soldiers. i was up in view�*s posted by russian soldiers. i was up in view' ., ~ posted by russian soldiers. i was up in view' . ~' , ., posted by russian soldiers. i was up in view' ., ,, , ., ., posted by russian soldiers. i was up in view' ., ,, ., , in view's thank you for considering that. obviously _ in view's thank you for considering that. obviously there _ in view's thank you for considering that. obviously there are - in view's thank you for considering that. obviously there are lots - in view's thank you for considering that. obviously there are lots of, l that. obviously there are lots of, you saw lots of pictures and videos have been been released on russian telegram channels of fighters where people from russian regular soldiers —— it was decided not to put into recent investigation to focus because —— the people who are in that exact area —— maybe you
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remember some pictures which are quite dramatic. and of course it was very difficult to look about and difficult to focus at some point. i think i don't have to think about that, ijust have to look at the picture and make sure i verify the location circumstances it was taken in. but i generally hope that i would not see any familiar faces. familiarfaces, people you knew. you can no longer get access to the telegram channel, which is interesting in light of the responsibility that many people he says, he takes for what is happened. it is quite interesting. at that time when we finish the investigation he closed his channel so i felt i was very luckily that we managed to do ourjob a day after we finished he closed his telegram
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channel from the general access, so now tojoin it channel from the general access, so now to join it you have to, he channel from the general access, so now tojoin it you have to, he moved it to another account. now to join it, you have to literally show your number, which obviously is much more dangerous for journalists. especially in light of the one of the russian officers killed. alert; the russian officers killed. very cuickl the russian officers killed. very quickly before _ the russian officers killed. very quickly before i _ the russian officers killed. very quickly before i bring _ the russian officers killed. very quickly before i bring in the judge, quickly before i bring in thejudge, i don't know about you, but we spent so much digging around in the story. wejust so much digging around in the story. we just looked so much digging around in the story. wejust looked on the so much digging around in the story. we just looked on the open source, which as you say can disappear. what if ukrainian say about what they needin if ukrainian say about what they need in terms of resources, money, the help, shirley, that they need to investigate 70,000 cases? the prosecutor _ investigate 70,000 cases? t“te: prosecutor general also mentioned to me in the process of this interview that it took them half a year just to put one case where putin was involved. and also, other human right lawyers who are working
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together with ukrainian persecution, they told me that it takes 100 hours just to fill the forms for one case, even when they know already all the details. sojust imagine even when they know already all the details. so just imagine the amounts of work they need, manpower, people who would be doing that with them as well, obviously it's a question of resources. and also, speaking about the resources, you saw that heartbreak that they were literally centre the front line. ilrlul’itt heartbreak that they were literally centre the front line.— centre the front line. will that's another part — centre the front line. will that's another part of— centre the front line. will that's another part of the _ centre the front line. will that's another part of the story, - centre the front line. will that's another part of the story, the i another part of the story, the weapons that they have, barely enough training to be out front. 50 enough training to be out front. sr it's enough training to be out front. 5r it's a question of how quickly to get to the front line.— get to the front line. crucially important. let's _ get to the front line. crucially important. let's bring - get to the front line. crucially important. let's bring in - get to the front line. crucially important. let's bring in the. get to the front line. crucially - important. let's bring in the judge important. let's bring in thejudge and tap some of the expertise. i don't know, judge, if you have seen the video but maybe you could inform us what the law is for prisoners of war, an unarmed prisoner of war. what does the geneva convention say,
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and what is your view of this particular case's it and what is your view of this particular case'- and what is your view of this particular case's it is in fact as clear as it _ particular case's it is in fact as clear as it can _ particular case's it is in fact as clear as it can be _ particular case's it is in fact as clear as it can be in _ particular case's it is in fact as i clear as it can be in international law _ clear as it can be in international law you — clear as it can be in international law you do _ clear as it can be in international law. you do not execute a prisoner of war. _ law. you do not execute a prisoner of war. an — law. you do not execute a prisoner of war, an unarmed prisoner of war. if of war, an unarmed prisoner of war. if someone — of war, an unarmed prisoner of war. if someone had been fighting but no longer— if someone had been fighting but no longer able to fight, you don't execute — longer able to fight, you don't execute them. you treat them humanely. so that is clearly a war crime~ _ humanely. so that is clearly a war crime it— humanely. so that is clearly a war crime~ it is— humanely. so that is clearly a war crime. it is an apparent war crime. it'sa_ crime. it is an apparent war crime. it's a question, then, about identifying who the person is. the controversy going on about that. but i controversy going on about that. but i would _ controversy going on about that. but i would like — controversy going on about that. but i would like to say, though, that this is— i would like to say, though, that this is definitely a horrific story
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that is— this is definitely a horrific story that is being told. but you don't even _ that is being told. but you don't even need — that is being told. but you don't even need to go to that extreme to see the _ even need to go to that extreme to see the war crimes that are being committed. there are those that in this war— committed. there are those that in this war in — committed. there are those that in this war in ukraine every killing of someone, — this war in ukraine every killing of someone, be it ukrainian soldier who is fighting _ someone, be it ukrainian soldier who is fighting back and exchange of gunfire. — is fighting back and exchange of gunfire, the killing of that soldier is actually— gunfire, the killing of that soldier is actually a war crime. so, it it doesn't — is actually a war crime. so, it it doesn't need to get to the level of killing _ doesn't need to get to the level of killing unarmed soldiers or civilians _ killing unarmed soldiers or civilians. it's as simple as killing ukrainian — civilians. it's as simple as killing ukrainian soldier engaged in combat is a war— ukrainian soldier engaged in combat is a war crime. why do i say that's i say— is a war crime. why do i say that's i say it— is a war crime. why do i say that's i say it because there is something
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called _ i say it because there is something called unlawful combatant versus lawful _ called unlawful combatant versus lawful combatant. lawful combat intent _ lawful combatant. lawful combat intent is — lawful combatant. lawful combat intent is somebody who is entitled to fight— intent is somebody who is entitled to fight that war, fight that battle~ _ to fight that war, fight that battle. unlawful combatant is someone who is not entitled to fight that battle. so someone who is not entitled to fight that battle. ., ., , ., someone who is not entitled to fight that battle. ., ., , . ., that battle. so what does that mean then, that battle. so what does that mean then. judge. — that battle. so what does that mean then. judge. for _ that battle. so what does that mean then, judge, for the _ that battle. so what does that mean then, judge, for the man _ that battle. so what does that mean then, judge, for the man that - that battle. so what does that mean then, judge, for the man that runs i then, judge, for the man that runs this mercenary unit? is he ultimately responsible for this? it ultimately responsible for this? it means that because an unlawful aggression is an unlawful war, it is criminal— aggression is an unlawful war, it is criminal in— aggression is an unlawful war, it is criminal in international law. so that does— criminal in international law. so that does not give you the right to fi-ht that does not give you the right to fight a _ that does not give you the right to fight a battle as a combatant because _ fight a battle as a combatant because you are engaged in an unlawful— because you are engaged in an unlawful battle. so that now makes the killing _ unlawful battle. so that now makes the killing of somebody you are fighting, — the killing of somebody you are fighting, make start a war crime. it doesn't _ fighting, make start a war crime. it doesn't have — fighting, make start a war crime. it doesn't have to be, as i say —— let
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doesn't have to be, as i say -- let me ask you _ doesn't have to be, as i say —— let me ask you this, because i only have a couple of minutes left. we have heard it said it takes a hundred hours to fill in a paperwork for one case. there has been a lot of debate about a special tribunal. you are presided at the icc. is that what is needed? what sort of resources do ukrainians need to be able to do this properly? ukrainians need to be able to do this property?— this properly? they need all the hel the this properly? they need all the help they can — this properly? they need all the help they can get. _ this properly? they need all the help they can get. every - this properly? they need all the - help they can get. every mechanism ofjustice. _ help they can get. every mechanism ofjustice, investigative mechanism of justice, investigative mechanism of justice, investigative mechanism ofjustice _ ofjustice, investigative mechanism ofjustice needs all the help they can get — ofjustice needs all the help they can get. international criminal court — can get. international criminal court needs it as well. so it is intensive, _ court needs it as well. so it is intensive, what to be done, even in peacetime — intensive, what to be done, even in peacetime. the police officers will tell you _ peacetime. the police officers will tell you that it is not a walk in the park. _ tell you that it is not a walk in the park, to investigate a murder. let alone — the park, to investigate a murder. let alone when it is happening in the midst— let alone when it is happening in the midst of an armed conflict. so it is definitely difficult
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proposition. it is an expensive proposition, and yes, it is resource intensive — proposition, and yes, it is resource intensive it— proposition, and yes, it is resource intensive. it is not difficult. judge, _ intensive. it is not difficult. judge, thank you very much for that. 0lga, let me give you the last word. the family of alexander. does this give them some peace? it’s the family of alexander. does this give them some peace? it's difficult to seak give them some peace? it's difficult to speak about _ give them some peace? it's difficult to speak about peace _ give them some peace? it's difficult to speak about peace when - give them some peace? it's difficult to speak about peace when your- give them some peace? it's difficult i to speak about peace when your loved one was killed and when his mother found out about how it was done from social media as you mentioned in our report. but at least it gives them hope that justice report. but at least it gives them hope thatjustice can be restored, at least in that part, where it is possible to resolve it.— at least in that part, where it is possible to resolve it. because it is such a celebrated _ possible to resolve it. because it is such a celebrated case, - possible to resolve it. because it is such a celebrated case, you i possible to resolve it. because it - is such a celebrated case, you would imagine that the prosecutor stays with it. , ~ ., , imagine that the prosecutor stays with it. , ~ .,, .,, imagine that the prosecutor stays with it. , ~ with it. yes. at least we hope so. ola, with it. yes. at least we hope so. olga. thank _ with it. yes. at least we hope so. olga. thank you _ with it. yes. at least we hope so. olga, thank you very _ with it. yes. at least we hope so. olga, thank you very much, - with it. yes. at least we hope so. olga, thank you very much, and i with it. yes. at least we hope so. - olga, thank you very much, and thank 0lga, thank you very much, and thank you for all the work you put into that. were going to go into a short break. we will be back for our second hour of the panel. we're going to focus at the events in florida last night and also we are going to take another look at some
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of the diplomacy that is been around the world today, some important events going on, so please do stay with us. hello there. not quite as much sunshine around today. for many, it's been quite a cloudy day, and there's been some outbreaks of rain, some of it quite drizzly at times, a bit of a nuisance, really. and all that cloud and rain is spilling its way steadily eastwards. there's several weather fronts that have been invading from the far north—west, that's where the strongest of the winds have been as well today. the best of the sunshine across south—east england, but it's not lasting because the cloud arrives and the rain will push its way in. you can see a slightly darker blue. there's more intensity to the rain in the back edge of that wet weather. so there will be some heavier bursts from time to time slowly clearing its way eastwards. so, through the night, quite a lot of cloud around, yes, some outbreaks of rain, slowly improving across western scotland and northern ireland, here, a few scattered showers,
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but we keep that cloud and rain first thing in the morning. so temperatures are going to hold up above freezing, generally around 6—9 celsius. so, a mild start to thursday, but it could be a cloudy and a rather wet one out to the east, as that frontal system's still yet to clear. a little ridge of high pressure starts to build in behind, and that means that the start of the easter weekend is looking quite promising. but for thursday morning, then, grey, dull and damp along the east for a time, slowly brightening up from the west. but there will be a rash of showers developing with that north—westerly wind feeding them in on the exposed coast, some of them heavy, maybe the odd rumble of thunder as well from time to time, with top temperatures ranging from 9—1a celsius. now, as we move out of thursday into friday, that ridge of high pressure is set to build. it is going to last for the beginning of the easter weekend, but weather fronts starting to push in from the west, threatening certainly by easter monday. so for easter weekend, i suspect we could be chasing some cloud amounts around.
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let's take a look in a little more detail. along the east coast on friday, an easterly feed mightjust produce a little more cloud on those exposed east coasts. sheltered west perhaps seeing the best of the sunshine, but a good deal of dry weather generally across the country, and, again, 10—1a celsius. as we move out of good friday into the start of the weekend, saturday looks dry and settled, and the same too, really for easter sunday, maybe a little bit of rain from time to time, but the rain certainly is expected to arrive as we move into easter monday. that's it. take care.
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hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. i never thought anything like this could happen in america. never thought i could happen. the only crime that i have committed is to fearlessly defend our nation from those who seek to destroy it. you know what this is? this is tyranny. now donald trump is a historical figure, you think if he were mitt romney they would give a damn? no. he didn't look very happy. and i think he's frustrated with how things are going. and while he could see an upside,
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bad things are usually bad. welcome back, donald trump was warned at his court appearance on tuesday not to pass any comment that could "jeopardize the rule of law" or incited violence and civil unrest. well several hours later in a grievance—filled speech at his mar—a—lago resort, the former president was lashing out at the "trump—hating judge with a trump—hating wife and family, while describing the special prosecutor investigating his role in the january 6 riots, as a "lunatic". the indictment which was unsealed tuesday accused trump of masterminding an expansive conspiracy to suppress damaging stories that might have threatened his 2016 campaign. that included arranging a $130,000 payment to the adult film star stormy daniels. however, the 16—page indictment was far narrower in scope, than some had expected, which prompted this front page him from the new york post this morning. joining us for the next hour, conservative and former education secretaryjustine greening and miles taylor former chief
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of staff at homeland security, in the trump administration. turning in the trump administration. to advance last night mar—a—lago. turning to advance last night in mar-a-lago-— turning to advance last night in mar-a-laao. .,, ., ., mar-a-lago. the 'udge opted not to im ose a mar-a-lago. the 'udge opted not to impose a gag — mar-a-lago. the judge opted not to impose a gag order. _ let's have a listen to what donald trump said about the judge. and this is where we are right now. i have a trump hating judge, with a trump hating wife and family and daughter worked for kamala harris and receives money from the biden—harris campaign. and a lot of it. i wonder if you would consider not imposing the gag order. it’s imposing the gag order. it's something _ imposing the gag order. tt�*s something that could still happen. i think it will depend on how the temperature increases in the american legal system in the biggest worry of course, we will get into this, will be the public safety concerns. this is not speculative. we all know what happens onjanuary
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6th. in washington, dc and the insurrection of the united states capitol. donald trump has a long and extensive history of saying things that incite violence. he said that there was an invasion at the southern border in the united states, he fanned the flames and a guy went up into an el paso walmart and killed several dozen people. he is fan the flames of the great replacement theory in the united states about an invasion of people from third world countries, that lead a man to go into a buffalo, new york grocery store and kill about a dozen african—american citizens. even last august when the fbi searched the former president's home when he came out and called them the fascist bureau for the station a trump supporter took a ar 50 rifle and a nail gun and shot up a fbi
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field office into many people threatened the judge who signed the search order. this is very real. a long pattern of donald trump's rhetoric leading to violence and the judges are to that, has already made warnings and i can see the potential that the judge cracks down, if we see this become something that really is a public safety concern. i think we are in that window, christian-— think we are in that window, christian. , , ., ., ., christian. there speaks a man in homeland _ christian. there speaks a man in homeland security _ christian. there speaks a man in homeland security and _ christian. there speaks a man in homeland security and the - christian. there speaks a man in | homeland security and the trump administration. in spring in the formerfederal administration. in spring in the former federal prosecutor new york press asking is that it? it’s press asking is that it? it's interesting _ press asking is that it? it's interesting because in the last few weeks _ interesting because in the last few weeks there has been a lot of speculation. there have been leaks, rumours _ speculation. there have been leaks, rumours and — speculation. there have been leaks, rumours and we have been forced to speculate _ rumours and we have been forced to speculate on what could be in the case _ speculate on what could be in the case now— speculate on what could be in the case. now we have the incitement and it is 24— case. now we have the incitement and it is 24 hours— case. now we have the incitement and it is 24 hours later and yes we are
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still speculating, because the incitement is extremely vague. it is hard to— incitement is extremely vague. it is hard to tell— incitement is extremely vague. it is hard to tell if the prosecutor's office — hard to tell if the prosecutor's office is — hard to tell if the prosecutor's office is brilliant in doing so because _ office is brilliant in doing so because they have a strong case or because _ because they have a strong case or because it — because they have a strong case or because it is — because they have a strong case or because it is out of weakness, because — because it is out of weakness, because they are leaving themselves lots of _ because they are leaving themselves lots of flexibility because in fact, the case — lots of flexibility because in fact, the case is — lots of flexibility because in fact, the case is not on steady ground. so it will— the case is not on steady ground. so it will be _ the case is not on steady ground. so it will be interesting in the coming months. _ it will be interesting in the coming months. i— it will be interesting in the coming months, i am surprised. it will be interesting in the coming months, lam surprised. i it will be interesting in the coming months, i am surprised. i am surprised _ months, i am surprised. i am surprised a _ months, i am surprised. i am surprised a case so monumental, the prosecutors _ surprised a case so monumental, the prosecutors office would amount to something that on its face somewhat laughably— something that on its face somewhat laughably vague and ripe for challenge. put yourselves in the boots _ challenge. put yourselves in the boots of — challenge. put yourselves in the boots of alvin bragg who is a new york— boots of alvin bragg who is a new york prosecutor, he is focusing on the intent — york prosecutor, he is focusing on the intent to— york prosecutor, he is focusing on the intent to defraud definition. and it _ the intent to defraud definition. and it differs in new york state compared to otherjurisdictions as you well know. much broader and people says it open things up considerably for alvin bragg. he is looking at three payments to people who could have undermined donald trump's election chances and this is
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notjust trump's election chances and this is not just one trump's election chances and this is notjust one payment. it was several and it was with the same man. it was with david pecker who owned national inquiry and he says that is what points to the conspiracy.- points to the conspiracy. hush payments. _ points to the conspiracy. hush payments, while _ points to the conspiracy. hush payments, while they - points to the conspiracy. hush payments, while they may - points to the conspiracy. hush payments, while they may be| points to the conspiracy. hush payments, while they may be sleazy, are not— payments, while they may be sleazy, are not legal. catch and kill is not legal _ are not legal. catch and kill is not legal. paying people to stay quiet about something whether true or false _ about something whether true or false is— about something whether true or false is not illegal. it may not be pretty— false is not illegal. it may not be pretty firm and optics perspective but you _ pretty firm and optics perspective but you can do that. it takes a real stretch— but you can do that. it takes a real stretch to — but you can do that. it takes a real stretch to say the trent jackson was le -al stretch to say the trent jackson was legal but _ stretch to say the trent jackson was legal but it — stretch to say the trent jackson was legal but it was just stretch to say the trent jackson was legal but it wasjust booked stretch to say the trent jackson was legal but it was just booked and described in accounting records in a way that— described in accounting records in a way that was not accurate taking it illegal _ way that was not accurate taking it illegal it — way that was not accurate taking it illegal it is — way that was not accurate taking it illegal. it is a stretch. i'm not saying — illegal. it is a stretch. i'm not saying it _ illegal. it is a stretch. i'm not saying it is _
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illegal. it is a stretch. i'm not saying it is impossible but i could see two _ saying it is impossible but i could see two or three very open weaknesses here that if i were on the defence team i would be all over _ the defence team i would be all over. ., y the defence team i would be all over. ., , , ., ., over. the irony is that if he had allowed the sword _ over. the irony is that if he had allowed the sword to _ over. the irony is that if he had i allowed the sword to be reported over. the irony is that if he had - allowed the sword to be reported he would've had the extramarital affair with stormy daniels, the hollywood asked the state it did not harm his chances, and he knew, he said i could shoot someone on for the art of new and would not harm his campaign, hejust did not believe his own rhetoric. the point is it is still not helping his desk hurting his chances. he is put out on truth social he has earned $10 million and there is no other republican in the primaries set to challenge him. he does seem to feed off of the adversarial— does seem to feed off of the adversarial politics - does seem to feed off of the adversarial politics and - does seem to feed off of the adversarial politics and has i does seem to feed off of the - adversarial politics and has always succeeded — adversarial politics and has always succeeded by— adversarial politics and has always succeeded by pitting _ adversarial politics and has always succeeded by pitting himself- adversarial politics and has always i succeeded by pitting himself against the establishment. _ succeeded by pitting himself against the establishment. saying _ succeeded by pitting himself against the establishment. saying he - succeeded by pitting himself against the establishment. saying he is - succeeded by pitting himself against the establishment. saying he is thel the establishment. saying he is the man who _ the establishment. saying he is the man who can— the establishment. saying he is the man who can stand _ the establishment. saying he is the man who can stand up _ the establishment. saying he is the man who can stand up for- the establishment. saying he is the man who can stand up for a - the establishment. saying he is the man who can stand up for a whole i man who can stand up for a whole range of— man who can stand up for a whole range of americans _ man who can stand up for a whole range of americans who _ man who can stand up for a whole range of americans who don't -
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man who can stand up for a wholej range of americans who don't feel that congress _ range of americans who don't feel that congress is _ range of americans who don't feel that congress is really— range of americans who don't feel. that congress is really representing them _ that congress is really representing them in _ that congress is really representing them inthat— that congress is really representing them. in that respect _ that congress is really representing them. in that respect this - that congress is really representing them. in that respect this will - that congress is really representing them. in that respect this will be i that congress is really representing them. in that respect this will be a i them. in that respect this will be a ploy that _ them. in that respect this will be a ploy that probably— them. in that respect this will be a ploy that probably works _ them. in that respect this will be a ploy that probably works in - ploy that probably works in the short— ploy that probably works in the short term _ ploy that probably works in the short term for— ploy that probably works in the short term for donald - ploy that probably works in the short term for donald trump i ploy that probably works in the i short term for donald trump with the republican— short term for donald trump with the republican nomination, _ short term for donald trump with the republican nomination, as— short term for donald trump with the republican nomination, as you - short term for donald trump with the republican nomination, as you say. i republican nomination, as you say. coming _ republican nomination, as you say. coming up — republican nomination, as you say. coming up as— republican nomination, as you say. coming up as his— republican nomination, as you say. coming up as his first _ republican nomination, as you say. coming up as his first electoral- coming up as his first electoral battle, — coming up as his first electoral battle, how— coming up as his first electoral battle, how it _ coming up as his first electoral battle, how it will _ coming up as his first electoral battle, how it will work - coming up as his first electoral battle, how it will work in - coming up as his first electoral. battle, how it will work in middle america remains— battle, how it will work in middle america remains to _ battle, how it will work in middle america remains to be _ battle, how it will work in middle america remains to be see - battle, how it will work in middle america remains to be see and i battle, how it will work in middle i america remains to be see and how it will play— america remains to be see and how it will play out _ america remains to be see and how it will play out with _ america remains to be see and how it will play out with the _ america remains to be see and how it will play out with the other _ america remains to be see and how it will play out with the other legal - will play out with the other legal cases— will play out with the other legal cases brought _ will play out with the other legal cases brought against _ will play out with the other legal cases brought against him - will play out with the other legal cases brought against him with i cases brought against him with something _ cases brought against him with something we _ cases brought against him with something we will— cases brought against him with something we will see - cases brought against him with something we will see over- cases brought against him withj something we will see over the coming — something we will see over the coming months. _ something we will see over the coming months.— something we will see over the coming months. donald trump's supporters _ coming months. donald trump's supporters believe _ coming months. donald trump's supporters believe they - coming months. donald trump's supporters believe they can - coming months. donald trump'sl supporters believe they can paint him as the victim here. and maybe dbase will buy up let's have a listen from fox news last night. you know this is you know what this is? this is this is tyranny. now donald trump is a historic figure. you think if he was mitt romney
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they would give a damn? no. if you think, frankly, if he were a bush, they would give a damn? no. we the american people need to stand behind this guy. there is not another republican i can think of who can fight back and fight back this way. sot the politics of this is more interesting. he the politics of this is more interesting.— the politics of this is more interesting. the politics of this is more interestinu. , ., ,, ., interesting. he is talking to the base. is there _ interesting. he is talking to the base. is there anyone - interesting. he is talking to the base. is there anyone in - interesting. he is talking to the i base. is there anyone in america right now that is undecided about donald trump? the bigger question for the gop surely is what moves the 10% of swing voters? you for the gop surely is what moves the 10% of swing voters?— 10% of swing voters? you hit the nail on the _ 10% of swing voters? you hit the nail on the head _ 10% of swing voters? you hit the nail on the head and _ 10% of swing voters? you hit the nail on the head and i _ 10% of swing voters? you hit the nail on the head and i want to i 10% of swing voters? you hit the i nail on the head and i want to know one thing. of course donald trump's allies have painted this as an act of a wayward left—leaning prosecutor but let's be clear how the american system works. a grand jury of us citizens made the recommendation to bring these charges. it was not some prosecutor conspiring in a closed room. that is how the system works. i think the bigger picture question you get to politically is what will happen next, these cases could take a big turn. i say cases because donald trump is on the cusp of a
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year of legal warfare. donald trump is on the cusp of a year of legalwarfare. it donald trump is on the cusp of a year of legal warfare. it will be a law fare as potential indictments come forward in georgia and from the justice department and don't forget, there will be a slew of cases in states across the countries who disqualify donald trump on the ballot in 202a by groups who don't believe he is constitutionally eligible because he incited an instruction. he will be mired in legal cases and here is where it could take a political term. right now, all the people in the republican field are acting aghast at this prosecution but some of those people want to run for president and eventually, they will turn these charges against donald trump. what i think will be interesting is as trump's opponents once the cases start piling up, will make the case in the early voting states here in the lead up to 202a saying, this guy has so many prosecutions against him, we don't want to take the risk of making him the nominee and him actually not not
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being able to take office if convicted. so his opponents, i think will eventually start using the same against —— against him. will eventually start using the same against -- against him.— against -- against him. trump may dominate the _ against -- against him. trump may dominate the airwaves _ against -- against him. trump may dominate the airwaves but - against -- against him. trump may dominate the airwaves but maybe i against -- against him. trump may i dominate the airwaves but maybe the biggest story last night was actually in the state of wisconsin. the liberaljudge who won the election to the wisconsin supreme court, that has massive implications setting of the battle over abortion access there taking its way through the state courts. we should remember in 2020, the wisconsin supreme court narrowly rejected and attempt i told her to overturn the results of the presidential election. so in a key swing state, the fact that the court has now tilted away from the conservatives towards liberals, how big is that? conservatives towards liberals, how bi is that? , , ., conservatives towards liberals, how bi isthat? , , ., big is that? very big in that state. whether it is _ big is that? very big in that state. whether it is on _ big is that? very big in that state. whether it is on the _ big is that? very big in that state. whether it is on the abortion - big is that? very big in that state. | whether it is on the abortion issue or at— whether it is on the abortion issue or at the _ whether it is on the abortion issue or at the election issue, whether it is on general law and order issues. ithink— is on general law and order issues. i think it _ is on general law and order issues. i think it goes to show that there is no _ i think it goes to show that there is no one — i think it goes to show that there is no one dominant issue at the moment —
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is no one dominant issue at the moment. we have races in this country— moment. we have races in this country where conservatives when and where _ country where conservatives when and where liberals are running and it happens — where liberals are running and it happens in — where liberals are running and it happens in chicago is where for the mayor— happens in chicago is where for the mayor position. the more liberal candidate — mayor position. the more liberal candidate who was less law and order focus _ candidate who was less law and order focus one~ _ candidate who was less law and order focus one. this candidate who was less law and order focus one. , , �* ., ., candidate who was less law and order focusone. , , �* ., ., focus one. this is brandon johnson the consequent _ focus one. this is brandon johnson the consequent commissioner? i the consequent commissioner? correct. see cannot say bring out that law — correct. see cannot say bring out that law and order is a dominant issue _ that law and order is a dominant issue or— that law and order is a dominant issue or even abortion or immigration. i think it is a combination and it really place to the individual voting base in the region— the individual voting base in the region where these candidates are running _ region where these candidates are running as— region where these candidates are running as to what the dominant issue _ running as to what the dominant issue is — running as to what the dominant issue is. . ., running as to what the dominant issue is. _, . ,, running as to what the dominant issue is. , , issue is. lemme come back because i want to get — issue is. lemme come back because i want to get her— issue is. lemme come back because i want to get her opinion _ issue is. lemme come back because i want to get her opinion a _ issue is. lemme come back because i want to get her opinion a second i issue is. lemme come back because i want to get her opinion a second butl want to get her opinion a second but you see a direct line between three liberals being elected last night, supreme courtjustice in wisconsin, the mayor also a democrat in green bay in wisconsin and also the mayor in chicago, is there a direct line between that and what is happening in the republican base? t between that and what is happening
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in the republican base?— in the republican base? i actually think there _ in the republican base? i actually think there is _ in the republican base? i actually think there is not. _ in the republican base? i actually think there is not. i _ in the republican base? i actually think there is not. i think - in the republican base? i actually think there is not. i think those i think there is not. i think those local races really ended up being local races really ended up being local races. there is a version of these narratives that it is the population rejecting election trying to go a different direction, the reality of the matter is the election denying, ring of the republican party is still very assented. incredibly connected nationwide and very competitive and it is why they have a majority of the house of representatives, maybe not as large a majority as they wanted but make no mistake this is a force to be reckoned with in the republican primaries in 202a will seek trump like candidates and not more traditional establishment republicans i think it is way too soon to write the obituary for trump is him and maga and in fact i think is him and maga and in fact i think is the opposite right now in these cases stand as independent as the larger narrative.— cases stand as independent as the larger narrative. they may be right, ma be this larger narrative. they may be right, maybe this was _ larger narrative. they may be right, maybe this was a _ larger narrative. they may be right, maybe this was a single _ larger narrative. they may be right, maybe this was a single issue i larger narrative. they may be right, maybe this was a single issue race i maybe this was a single issue race into it may come down to abortion
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access, they spent over $30 million on as long. the most expensive race forjustice on as long. the most expensive race for justice anywhere on as long. the most expensive race forjustice anywhere in the country in history. twice as much as the conservative spent on their 2019 election. it tells you how important some of this is to people around the country. some of this is to people around the count . .. , some of this is to people around the count . , ., ~ i. some of this is to people around the count . , . ,, i. ., country. exactly and i think you are seeinu country. exactly and i think you are seeing these _ country. exactly and i think you are seeing these three _ country. exactly and i think you are seeing these three different - seeing these three different aspects, _ seeing these three different aspects, the _ seeing these three different aspects, the issues, - seeing these three different aspects, the issues, there i seeing these three different i aspects, the issues, there are seeing these three different - aspects, the issues, there are the values, _ aspects, the issues, there are the values, and — aspects, the issues, there are the values, and there _ aspects, the issues, there are the values, and there are _ aspects, the issues, there are the values, and there are the - values, and there are the institutions. _ values, and there are the institutions. by— values, and there are the institutions. by which i values, and there are the institutions. by which alll values, and there are the i institutions. by which all those things— institutions. by which all those things enable _ institutions. by which all those things enable decisions- institutions. by which all those things enable decisions to i institutions. by which all those things enable decisions to be i institutions. by which all those i things enable decisions to be taken that impact— things enable decisions to be taken that impact lives _ things enable decisions to be taken that impact lives on _ things enable decisions to be taken that impact lives on the _ things enable decisions to be taken that impact lives on the ground. i. that impact lives on the ground. i actually do — that impact lives on the ground. i actually do think— that impact lives on the ground. i actually do think that _ that impact lives on the ground. i actually do think that there - that impact lives on the ground. i actually do think that there is i actually do think that there is something _ actually do think that there is| something more fundamental actually do think that there is _ something more fundamental happening around _ something more fundamental happening around different— something more fundamental happening around different value _ something more fundamental happening around different value sets _ something more fundamental happening around different value sets that - around different value sets that people — around different value sets that people have _ around different value sets that people have got _ around different value sets that people have got. and _ around different value sets that people have got. and how- around different value sets that people have got. and how they| people have got. and how they perceive — people have got. and how they perceive issues _ people have got. and how they perceive issues differently i people have got. and how they perceive issues differently and | perceive issues differently and increasingly. _ perceive issues differently and increasingly, how— perceive issues differently and increasingly, how they - perceive issues differently and increasingly, how they want i perceive issues differently and increasingly, how they want to change — increasingly, how they want to change the _ increasingly, how they want to change the institutions - increasingly, how they want to change the institutions that i increasingly, how they want to i change the institutions that have the power — change the institutions that have the power that _ change the institutions that have the power. that is _ change the institutions that have the power. that is where - change the institutions that have the power. that is where they'rej the power. that is where they're focusing — the power. that is where they're focusing their _ the power. that is where they're focusing their attention - the power. that is where they're focusing their attention whether| the power. that is where they're i focusing their attention whether it is the _ focusing their attention whether it is the supreme _ focusing their attention whether it is the supreme court, _ focusing their attention whether it is the supreme court, whether- focusing their attention whether it is the supreme court, whether it. focusing their attention whether iti is the supreme court, whether it is the lower— is the supreme court, whether it is the lower courts _ is the supreme court, whether it is the lower courts in _ is the supreme court, whether it is the lower courts in new— is the supreme court, whether it is the lower courts in new york, i the lower courts in new york, whether— the lower courts in new york, whether it _ the lower courts in new york, whether it is _ the lower courts in new york, whether it is what _ the lower courts in new york, whether it is what happens i the lower courts in new york, whether it is what happens in| whether it is what happens in
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congress _ whether it is what happens in congress and _ whether it is what happens in congress and who _ whether it is what happens in congress and who is - whether it is what happens in congress and who is headingl whether it is what happens in i congress and who is heading up the congressional— congress and who is heading up the congressional version— congress and who is heading up the congressional version of— congress and who is heading up the congressional version of select i congressional version of select committees— congressional version of select committees here _ congressional version of select committees here in _ congressional version of select committees here in the - congressional version of select committees here in the uk i congressional version of select committees here in the uk for| committees here in the uk for subkeys — committees here in the uk for subkeys of— committees here in the uk for subkeys of the _ committees here in the uk for subkeys of the areas - committees here in the uk for subkeys of the areas where i committees here in the uk for- subkeys of the areas where politics increasingly — subkeys of the areas where politics increasingly seems _ subkeys of the areas where politics increasingly seems to _ subkeys of the areas where politics increasingly seems to have - subkeys of the areas where politics increasingly seems to have us i subkeys of the areas where politics i increasingly seems to have us debate increasingly seems to have us debate in the _ increasingly seems to have us debate in the us— increasingly seems to have us debate in the us a _ increasingly seems to have us debate in the us a solution _ increasingly seems to have us debate in the us a solution of— increasingly seems to have us debate in the us a solution of the _ increasingly seems to have us debate in the us a solution of the issues i in the us a solution of the issues people _ in the us a solution of the issues people face — in the us a solution of the issues people face the _ in the us a solution of the issues people face the day— in the us a solution of the issues people face the day on _ in the us a solution of the issues i people face the day on the ground. there _ people face the day on the ground. there is— people face the day on the ground. there is some _ people face the day on the ground. there is some focus _ people face the day on the ground. there is some focus on _ people face the day on the ground. there is some focus on the - people face the day on the ground. there is some focus on the other. there is some focus on the other cases and whether this opens the stable door to some other indictments in otherjurisdictions, which one of is of greatest concern to donald trump? tt t which one of is of greatest concern to donald trump?— to donald trump? if i were him i would rrot _ to donald trump? if i were him i would rrot be _ to donald trump? if i were him i would not be too _ to donald trump? if i were him i would not be too concerned i to donald trump? if i were him i. would not be too concerned about new york in _ would not be too concerned about new york in the _ would not be too concerned about new york in the state of georgia. i think— york in the state of georgia. i think they— york in the state of georgia. i think they are skin patches in both those cases and i think they are ultimately will not stand. —— escape hatches _ ultimately will not stand. —— escape hatches i_ ultimately will not stand. —— escape hatches. i would ultimately will not stand. —— escape hatches. iwould be ultimately will not stand. —— escape hatches. i would be worried about the special — hatches. i would be worried about the special counsel here in washington. and particularly the classified documents at his home in florida _ classified documents at his home in florida as _ classified documents at his home in florida as well as his role in the january— florida as well as his role in the january sex— florida as well as his role in the january sex rights. i think those of the cases— january sex rights. i think those of the cases that actually have teeth.
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-- date _ the cases that actually have teeth. —— date mike rights. and charges in one or both— —— date mike rights. and charges in one or both of those cases where most _ one or both of those cases where most of— one or both of those cases where most of the exposure will be. —— january— most of the exposure will be. —— january six. _ most of the exposure will be. -- january six— most of the exposure will be. -- january six. most of the exposure will be. -- janua six. , w , ., january six. some breaking news that we had in the — january six. some breaking news that we had in the last _ january six. some breaking news that we had in the last hour. _ former snp chief executive peter murrell has been released without charge pending further investigation into scottish national party finances. the husband of formerfirst minister nicola sturgeon was arrested on wednesday morning. 0ur scotland correspondent — andrew kerr sent this update a short while ago. we have just heard from police scotland that the former chief executive, peter murrell is indeed been released without charge pending further investigation by police scotland after being arrested at his home, the one he shares with nicola sturgeon, the former first minister of scotland. so we just got that news
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in the last few minutes. a statement in the police saying they searched a number of addresses as part of the investigation. that was of course the house, the headquarters of the snp in edinburgh as well. a report will be sent to the crown office and fiscal service for further considerations. so very difficult day for the snp today. that is with current first minister humza yousaf was saying, it's difficult and challenging day and actually this evening nicola sturgeon the former first mr release a statement through a spokesperson saying she had no prior knowledge of police scotland's actions or intentions and that she will fully cooperate with police scotland if required however at this time no such request has been made. let's look at some of the other stories making headlines today. the home office has confirmed it's leased a barge to house asylum seekers in dorset. the uk government says it costs more than six million pounds per day to house migrants in hotels and says the barge is a 'significantly
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cheaper�* solution. around 500 migrants will be accommodated on the vessel in portland in the south of england. twenty—one people have been found guilty of involvement in the biggest child sex abuse case ever investigated by west midlands police. seven children were abused over almost a decade in walsall and wolverhampton. the oldest was 12. 0n on that story, extraordinary in the west midlands here today. recently the home secretary at suella braverman said, almost all her words, almost all members are grooming gangs in the uk are british pakistani man who held attitudes incompatible with british values. clearly it is not exclusively pakistani men because the 21 people on the spreadsheet are all white which tells us we have to remain open—minded about who commits these
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offences. open-minded about who commits these offences. ~ , ,., , , offences. absolutely i grew up in roth room _ offences. absolutely i grew up in roth room which _ offences. absolutely i grew up in roth room which is _ offences. absolutely i grew up in roth room which is of— offences. absolutely i grew up in roth room which is of course i offences. absolutely i grew up in i roth room which is of course where a huge _ roth room which is of course where a huge amount of those issues were surfaced — huge amount of those issues were surfaced -- — huge amount of those issues were surfaced. —— ratherthem. clearly in the west— surfaced. —— ratherthem. clearly in the west midlands case it is disgusting and shocking and i think it shows _ disgusting and shocking and i think it shows that these are issues that happen— it shows that these are issues that happen across society and across ethnicity — happen across society and across ethnicity and across religion and what _ ethnicity and across religion and what we — ethnicity and across religion and what we need to do is actually tackled — what we need to do is actually tackled the underlying issues. i think— tackled the underlying issues. i think behind this is the issue of children— think behind this is the issue of children services, how we protect extremely— children services, how we protect extremely vulnerable children who we know are _ extremely vulnerable children who we know are already at risk and making sure that _ know are already at risk and making sure that we — know are already at risk and making sure that we get to those children earlier rather than having two years of abuse _ earlier rather than having two years of abuse happening to them before we actually— of abuse happening to them before we actually are able to stop it. chief constable of _ actually are able to stop it. chief constable of west _ actually are able to stop it. ct at constable of west midlands actually are able to stop it. ct ezt constable of west midlands police saying that there is no social or religious boundaries to the sort of abuse. i can tell you it turns up in every part of society. you are watching bbc news.
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this couple have been married for 36 years and they�*ve got three children and two grandchildren. but everything changed in 201a when ian was diagnosed with frontotemporal dementia atjust 50 years old. 2013, he was behaving in a bit strange ways. we didn�*t think he was ill. we just thought that there was something wrong. i actually thought my marriage was breaking down because he seemed to ruin everything that we were trying to do. frontotemporal dementia mainly affects people between the ages of a5 and 65. symptoms can include personality and behaviour changes and problems with language and mental focus. wendy is pleased that there�*s already more awareness surrounding frontotemporal dementia, since the actor bruce willis has been diagnosed with it. if there�*s celebrities out there that can promote this, it�*s fantastic. there is still no cure or even a way of slowing the disease down. but wendy hopes that more awareness will help those living with it and their families.
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you�*re live with bbc news. more than 500 men who arrived here in the uk to seek asylum are to be housed on a boat in dorset. the home office says the 93 metre long barge known as the "bibby stockholm" will be moored in portland to save the government money they are currently spending on hotel rooms for migrants. and this is inside. it�*s been refurbished since it was criticised as an "oppressive environment" when the dutch government used it for asylum seekers. it now has en—suite rooms, a tv and games room and a gym. but the plans have already met opposition from the local conservative mp richard drax who�*s reported to have threatened a legal challenge saying "the barge is being dumped on our door without consultation." this is precisely the point. the
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conservatives, because there are local elections around the corner, went to look tough on crime and immigration, illegal immigration, but people don�*t want barges, they don�*t want to house illegal migrants on their doorstep. tia don't want to house illegal migrants on their doorstep.— on their doorstep. no and indeed that is why _ on their doorstep. no and indeed that is why the _ on their doorstep. no and indeed that is why the best _ on their doorstep. no and indeed that is why the best long-term i that is why the best long—term strategy— that is why the best long—term strategy is to work upstream in countries — strategy is to work upstream in countries where people are coming from to— countries where people are coming from to help them and deal with refugees— from to help them and deal with refugees where they are ready are rather— refugees where they are ready are rather than having no option but to feel like _ rather than having no option but to feel like they have to leave everything to try and get a better life. everything to try and get a better life as _ everything to try and get a better life. as development secretary i spent _ life. as development secretary i spent a — life. as development secretary i spent a long time going to many refugee — spent a long time going to many refugee camps in places like lebanon and jordan, _ refugee camps in places like lebanon andjordan, iwent refugee camps in places like lebanon and jordan, i went to afghanistan, i saw the _ and jordan, i went to afghanistan, i saw the conditions that many people live in _ saw the conditions that many people live in that— saw the conditions that many people live in. that we were trying to alleviate _ live in. that we were trying to alleviate for the better with an aid to budget — alleviate for the better with an aid to budget at the higher that now. and looking at pictures of that barge, — and looking at pictures of that barge, that is way nicer than the refugee — barge, that is way nicer than the refugee camps that i went around in
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lebanon _ refugee camps that i went around in lebanon or— refugee camps that i went around in lebanon orjordan were people were literally— lebanon orjordan were people were literally living in tents. not knowing what was going to happen next _ knowing what was going to happen next the — knowing what was going to happen next. the reality is people are looking — next. the reality is people are looking for a better future. and i think— looking for a better future. and i think we — looking for a better future. and i think we need a much more sophisticated, longer—term strategy working _ sophisticated, longer—term strategy working with other countries to be able to— working with other countries to be able to actually deal with people as they arrive. of course prior to leaving — they arrive. of course prior to leaving the eu we had the convention where _ leaving the eu we had the convention where we _ leaving the eu we had the convention where we were able to easily return many people who were arriving on our short— many people who were arriving on our short legally. of course asylum—seekers is a slightly different case, but i think now we are in— different case, but i think now we are in a _ different case, but i think now we are in a situation now where people arrive _ are in a situation now where people arrive it _ are in a situation now where people arrive it is _ are in a situation now where people arrive it is not quite so straightforward price to return as it was— straightforward price to return as it was before. —— on our shore illegally — it was before. -- on our shore illegally-— it was before. -- on our shore illeaall. , illegally. people smuggling across the channel. _ quite clearly the people smuggling across the channel is not unique to the uk. on sunday the border patrol agents in texas found 1a5 undocumented migrants.
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inside two stash houses in the el paso lower valley. that�*s just over the border. these "stash houses," as they are known to investigators, are holding blocks that smugglers use. border patrol say their smuggling teams have discovered more than 130 stash houses holding more than 1,800 migrants in el paso since october. this is the point. there are governments trying to control illegal immigration, we have had a fire over the border with an hospital who killed over 30 people. people in stock powders —— houses over the border. there is not a solution to this that a government has found, a practical solution. t have to say, after years of running the day—to—day operations of the department in the us responsible for border security, department in the us responsible for bordersecurity, i department in the us responsible for border security, i will be deeply self—critical. western governments including our own have abjectly
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failed to anticipate and address the challenges of mass migration. 15—20 years ago in the american intelligence community we were issuing forecast looking ahead a couple of decades and what would happen. we knew we would be entering a period at this moment of mass migration into the west. and very little was done politically to deal with it. what we have seen in the uk with it. what we have seen in the uk with the barge is a similar situation to what we felt within the us including in the trunk years where migrants trying to come to this country were, in some cases, held in truly horrible facilities. concrete facilities, unsuitable for women and children and families because that long—term investment was not made to anticipate the search. we knew it was coming. we failed in addressing it and what needs to happen has to go beyond these individual governments. there has to be more regular engagement between western governments to handle this, of course states have an obligation to protect their borders most of these are people who
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really want to come be productive for chuck is an instance whether it is in the uk or us and legal immigration needs to be reformed and address so we don�*t end up with these massive backlogs and unsatisfactory conditions. hello there. not quite as much sunshine around today. for many, it�*s been quite a cloudy day, and there�*s been some outbreaks of rain, some of it quite drizzly at times, a bit of a nuisance, really. and all that cloud and rain is spilling its way steadily eastwards. there�*s several weather fronts that have been invading from the far north—west, that�*s where the strongest of the winds have been as well today. the best of the sunshine across south—east england, but it�*s not lasting because the cloud arrives and the rain will push its way in. you can see a slightly darker blue. there�*s more intensity to the rain in the back edge of that wet weather. so there will be some heavier bursts from time to time slowly clearing its way eastwards. so, through the night, quite a lot of cloud around, yes, some outbreaks of rain, slowly improving across western scotland and northern ireland, here, a few scattered showers, but we keep that cloud and rain
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first thing in the morning. so temperatures are going to hold up above freezing, generally around 6—9 celsius. so, a mild start to thursday, but it could be a cloudy and a rather wet one out to the east, as that frontal system�*s still yet to clear. a little ridge of high pressure starts to build in behind, and that means that the start of the easter weekend is looking quite promising. but for thursday morning, then, grey, dull and damp along the east for a time, slowly brightening up from the west. but there will be a rash of showers developing with that north—westerly wind feeding them in on the exposed coast, some of them heavy, maybe the odd rumble of thunder as well from time to time, with top temperatures ranging from 9—1a celsius. now, as we move out of thursday into friday, that ridge of high pressure is set to build. it is going to last for the beginning of the easter weekend, but weather fronts starting to push in from the west, threatening certainly by easter monday. so for easter weekend, i suspect we could be chasing some cloud amounts around. let�*s take a look in
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a little more detail. along the east coast on friday, an easterly feed mightjust produce a little more cloud on those exposed east coasts. sheltered west perhaps seeing the best of the sunshine, but a good deal of dry weather generally across the country, and, again, 10—1a celsius. as we move out of good friday into the start of the weekend, saturday looks dry and settled, and the same too, really for easter sunday, maybe a little bit of rain from time to time, but the rain certainly is expected to arrive as we move into easter monday. that�*s it. take care.
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hello, i�*m christian fraser. you�*re watching the context on bbc news. its a day of high level diplomacy. president macron has been in beijing where he says china plays a key role in bringing peace to ukraine, while zelensky has met with the polish president. welcome back. we�*ll have more on that story shortly, but first, sport and for a full round—up, from the bbc sport centre, here�*s gavin. hello there, lots of football happening at the moment to bring you up to date with — the el classico showdown between barcelona and real madrid. and in the premier league — manchester united are hoping
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to end their three—game winless run. they�*re 1—0 ahead against brentford, united hoping to go back into the top four with victory. west ham are only out of the bottom three on goal difference — they�*re losing 3—1 against newcastle, who are in third. the hammers could jump to 12th with a win. 3—1 newcastle. there�*s an el classico encounter for the copa del rey — which is also into the second half. la liga rivals barcelona and real madrid. in the second leg of their semi—final. barca are 1—0 up from the first leg. and the score currently 3—0 to real madrid at the camp nou. benzema with two of the goals. the winners, will play 0sasuna next month — after they beat athletic bilbao. nantes and lyon are in action looking to make the final of the french cup. and stuttgart are into the semi—finals of the german cup, after beating nuremberg, a competition which has seen bayern munich and union berlin knocked out at the quarter final stage.
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0ne game�*s ongoing, in the second half between two giants rb leipzig and dortmund as rb leipzig lead 1—0 there from that match. timo werner with the goal. the winner willjoin stuttgart, eintracht frankfurt and freiburg in the last four. and the semi—finals of the coppa italia continue with cremonese at home to fiorentina. we�*re into the second half there too, and it�*s 1—0 to fiorentina. it�*s the first leg of that tie. on tuesday, the other semifinal, between inter and juventus, finished all square at 1—1, after their first leg. bangladesh are on course to claim victory inside three days in the one—off test against ireland in mirpur, after dominating day two. after starting on 3a—2 in reply to ireland�*s 21a first innings, mushfiqur rahim�*s 126 helped the hosts to 369 all out. ireland were teetering on 27 for a at close, still 128 runs behind. and in the indian premier league, it�*s two wins from two for punjab kings, who beat
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the rajasthan royals by 5 runs. kings made 197 for a from their 20 overs, captain shikhar dhawan top scoring with 86. the royals made 192 in their innings, falling just short. england batsmanjason roy has joined the kolkata knight riders for the ongoing season in the indian premier league. roy�*s signed after india�*s shreyas iyer was ruled out of the competition with a lower back injury, while bangladesh all—rounder shakib al hasan has opted out. roy last played in the ipl in 2021, scoring 150 runs in five games for sunrisers hyderabad. the 32—year—old�*s deal is worth approximately £275,000. the start of the 2023 masters is less than a day away, and five—time winner tiger woods says he can�*t be overlooked! woods finished a7th at augusta last year, as he returned to competitive golfjust over a year after a serious car crash. the a7—year—old, who last won the masters in 2019, admits his mobility isn�*t what he would like.
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but he says he�*s in a much better place than he was 12 months ago. my game is better than it was last year, at this particular time. my endurance is better. but it aches a little bit more than it did last year, just because at that particular time when i came back i hadn�*t really pushed it that often. and i had this little window in which i did push, and i was able to come back. currently new wessel 31 up at westtown. manchester united goal around branford 20 minutes to go those games. and that�*s all the sport for now.
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welcome back. if you were looking for the ying and the yang in the west�*s approach to china, you need look no further than the two meetings that took place today thousands of miles apart. in la, the house speaker kevin mccarthy was meeting taiwanese president tsai ing—wen and in beijing french president emmanuel macron was beginning a three—day tour, as a guest of xi jinping. on one hand, a hardening of attitudes towards an increasingly assertive china, and on the other, recognition, pragmatism, whatever you want to call it, of the need to engage with china, no matter the political backdrop. earlier in the programme we discussed this with the pulitzer prize winning author anne applebaum, sophie pedder of the economist, and china expert isabelle hilton. essentially china sees the us as a lost cause. it sees it as an enemy that will never relent. there�*s no there�*s no concession to be made that will change us policy. but it sees europe as promising if if macron and the macron position and perhaps the schulz position can
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prevail over ursula von der leyen, who is of course also on the trip. it�*s important not to caricature emmanuel macron�*s position. i mean, the first point to be made, i think, on that front is that, you know, he knows perfectly well what the chinese game is, is all about. one of the reasons that he�*s taken with him to beijing. ursula von der leyen, the european commission president, is that he wanted not to be seen asjust the french president, but a sort of european show of unity. macron tried last year to get schulz to go with him to beijing, and schulz decided to go alone. he didn�*t want to do that. and i think that that is part of the message that he�*s trying to bring is, yes, he wants to put pressure on china, to try to put pressure on russia over its war in ukraine. but he wants to do that alongside von der leyen, whose views he knows very well are slightly different to his. she�*s been much more outspoken. but i think the idea in france at least, is that this is a kind of double act that is a stronger show of force in as far as they can exert any pressure than if he�*d gone by himself.
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this is a war started by russia. it can be ended by russia. if china wants to make an effort to prevail upon russia, to end the war, then i'm sure that would be very welcome. but until that happens, i don't think either the poles or the ukrainians or really anybody in washington or in most european capitals are going to be very impressed by the conversation. joining us for the next hour, conservative and former education secretaryjustine greening and miles taylor former chief of staff at homeland security, in the trump administration. a numberof a number of people to believe the chinese _ a number of people to believe the chinese can exert some influence on putin~ _ chinese can exert some influence on putin~ they— chinese can exert some influence on putin. they have known this from the start as _ putin. they have known this from the start as they— putin. they have known this from the start as they met in the lead up to the ukraine — start as they met in the lead up to the ukraine war it was clear they were _ the ukraine war it was clear they were collaborating in the region. the russians are now becoming increasingly dependent on the
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chinese — increasingly dependent on the chinese economically likely from an intelligent standpoint, so there is no doubt — intelligent standpoint, so there is no doubt that there is leverage. but ithink— no doubt that there is leverage. but i think there is doubt about in washington is whether china will see it in their— washington is whether china will see it in their strategic interest is going — it in their strategic interest is going too— it in their strategic interest is going too far. they don't want to undercut— going too far. they don't want to undercut their allied russia because the chinese may be engaging in provocative behaviour in which they will need _ provocative behaviour in which they will need moscow to come to their aid. will need moscow to come to their aid~ but— will need moscow to come to their aid. but what i would not overstate the differences between washington and european capitals on this. i think— and european capitals on this. i think behind the scene a lot of those — think behind the scene a lot of those leaders have a shared view of the long—term competition with china, — the long—term competition with china, but— the long—term competition with china, but they are seeing short—term practical opportunities to try— short—term practical opportunities to try to _ short—term practical opportunities to try to get resolution in some way, _ to try to get resolution in some way, shape, orform in ukraine and for those _ way, shape, orform in ukraine and for those reasons it's reasonable to keep a _ for those reasons it's reasonable to keep a dialogue open with beijing. | keep a dialogue open with beijing! think keep a dialogue open with beijing. t think that's right, justine, but think that�*s right, justine, but you�*ve got the british prime minister and the french president trying to walk a middle path, particularly in emmanuel macron. doesn�*t think they should be picking sides between the us and china. but
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that becomes increasingly difficult the closer china grows to moscow and vladimir putin. bhd the closer china grows to moscow and vladimir putin-— vladimir putin. and of course, it's a challenge _ vladimir putin. and of course, it's a challenge for— vladimir putin. and of course, it's a challenge for china _ vladimir putin. and of course, it's a challenge for china as _ vladimir putin. and of course, it's a challenge for china as well- vladimir putin. and of course, it's a challenge for china as well to i a challenge for china as well to have these conflicting issues of diplomacy that serves the economy. in the longer term, diplomacy and security wise, china wants to see a multipolar world called it. where i can have far more sway and its finding that allies with president putin and russia in order to build that power base. 0n the other hand, as this trip and trips by the spanish and german leaders in recent months show, the reality is that the economics are that europe and the west are the key market that china absolutely depends on. so it will have to strike a balance because it cannot be strong overseas if it is not strong at home, and being strong at home means having a strong economy. and of course post—pandemic
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that has been something that the chinese authorities have been concerned to make sure they got back on track, growth rates in china have not matched per capita growth. and therefore, that is the conundrum, i think, china in terms of the uk, the europeans and the us actually as you�*ve i�*ve heard, i think behind the scenes there is a commonality but there is also recognition that different actors can have different discussions with the chinese about how to strike out balance. china hates instability. and the instability in ukraine and in europe does not turbo—charge the eu or the uk economy had it all. in fact there�*s been a drag on it. and so it is in china�*s economic interest to seek greater stability but that goes against its relationship interest with russia. tt�*s against its relationship interest with russia-— against its relationship interest with russia. 3 , ., , _ with russia. it's been a busy day, miles. in with russia. it's been a busy day, miles- in the _ with russia. it's been a busy day, miles. in the last _ with russia. it's been a busy day, miles. in the last hour, _ with russia. it's been a busy day, miles. in the last hour, we i with russia. it's been a busy day, miles. in the last hour, we have i miles. in the last hour, we have seen the house speaker, kevin mccarthy meeting with the taiwanese president saw him run. i wonder what
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you make of that. was it important for him. he was in transit. was it about kevin mccarthys profile, or was it about washington making a statement because mark it was it about washington making a statement because mark— statement because mark it was absolutely _ statement because mark it was absolutely about _ statement because mark it was absolutely about washington i statement because mark it was absolutely about washington making a statement and laying down sort of a marker— statement and laying down sort of a marker of— statement and laying down sort of a marker of deterrence. their course is a great _ marker of deterrence. their course is a great deal of concern that in the coming _ is a great deal of concern that in the coming years, fun transiently in the coming years, fun transiently in the near— the coming years, fun transiently in the near term but the chinese will make _ the near term but the chinese will make a _ the near term but the chinese will make a move on taiwan. they are very serious discussions happening in the military— serious discussions happening in the military community about that possibility and what it will mean and people like kevin mccarthy and previously — and people like kevin mccarthy and previously nancy pelosi, speaker of the house. — previously nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, and others making those visits— the house, and others making those visits is— the house, and others making those visits is an _ the house, and others making those visits is an attempt to signal that washington will come to the defence of the _ washington will come to the defence of the island and uphold its defence commitment and that's one place where _ commitment and that's one place where i_ commitment and that's one place where i think the chinese are very worried _ where i think the chinese are very worried about what's happened with russia _ worried about what's happened with russia in— worried about what's happened with russia in the ukraine war as they see that — russia in the ukraine war as they see that geopolitically, this has emboldened the nato alliance. so whether—
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emboldened the nato alliance. so whether it has been a drag economically or not it is emboldened the nato _ economically or not it is emboldened the nato alliance in china does not she that _ the nato alliance in china does not she that is — the nato alliance in china does not she that is beneficial to anything i might— she that is beneficial to anything i might do— she that is beneficial to anything i might do in the near term, including with taiwan, — might do in the near term, including with taiwan, a strong nato western alliance _ with taiwan, a strong nato western alliance. it's not good for them if they want— alliance. it's not good for them if they want to expand their territory, including _ they want to expand their territory, including elsewhere into taiwan. so that's— including elsewhere into taiwan. so that's another reason i think you see the — that's another reason i think you see the chinese interested in finding — see the chinese interested in finding resolution in the ukraine. they— finding resolution in the ukraine. they don't— finding resolution in the ukraine. they don't want to see an ally like the russians decimated by western support— the russians decimated by western support to the region. they have already— support to the region. they have already seen the russian military increasingly decimated. and so the chinese _ increasingly decimated. and so the chinese are being wary. but make no mistake. _ chinese are being wary. but make no mistake, kevin mccarthys visit as a signal about the us commitment to the region — signal about the us commitment to the reuion. , �* the region. interesting. it might've been a step — the region. interesting. it might've been a step too — the region. interesting. it might've been a step too far. _ the region. interesting. it might've been a step too far. justine, i the region. interesting. it might've been a step too far. justine, just i the region. interesting. it might've been a step too far. justine, just a| been a step too far. justine, just a quick read on president zelenskyy. we�*ve heard some lines out of warsaw tonight in the last hour or so, president of poland said we need to be much sharper after flying lessons and more sophisticated weapons to ukraine. that is still an issue. and
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i wonder if there are some concerns in poland and in the baltic states and in ukraine that you are president macron engaging with the chinese. some western leaders still concerned about how long this war is going to endure. do you think they are starting to feel that? t going to endure. do you think they are starting to feel that?— are starting to feel that? i think it's a constant _ are starting to feel that? i think it's a constant concern, - are starting to feel that? i think it's a constant concern, both i are starting to feel that? i think it's a constant concern, both in | it�*s a constant concern, both in kyiv of course but for poland as well. why do europe will take the tie off the ball and terms of ammunition and weapons. the parables have always really been those first voices on behalf of ukraine, making the case so that next layer of military support, whether it�*s been jacked or anything else, more announcement of more jobs from the polls to ukrainians tonight. so i actually think in their minds they see themselves as constantly having to keep making that case as if they have never made up before, and that�*s the way that we will continue
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to keep the pressure on. it also to make sure the people don�*t forget about what�*s going on in ukraine in the sense in spite of other economic pressures that all countries are facing, particularly including here in the uk on cost of living. taste facing, particularly including here in the uk on cost of living. we will have to leave _ in the uk on cost of living. we will have to leave that _ in the uk on cost of living. we will have to leave that they _ in the uk on cost of living. we will have to leave that they are - in the uk on cost of living. we will have to leave that they are around the world across the uk, this is bbc news. lyrics and ideas. this group of care leaders are creating a music track. at a way of releasing or trauma or your thoughts are your feelings or your thoughts are your feelings or your nightmares or even your dreams, aspirations. your nightmares or even your dreams, as - irations. , your nightmares or even your dreams, asirations. , ., your nightmares or even your dreams, asirations. , . ., your nightmares or even your dreams, as - irations. , . ., , ., aspirations. they have that shared exerience aspirations. they have that shared experience of— aspirations. they have that shared experience of growing _ aspirations. they have that shared experience of growing up - aspirations. they have that shared experience of growing up in i aspirations. they have that shared experience of growing up in the i aspirations. they have that shared i experience of growing up in the care system and they are putting it to
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minister that introduces regulation the first place, and when we did that transparency, in order to see that transparency, in order to see that transparency drive change, i think the concern that many people have looking up things today is that if you compare them back to 2017, 2018 when they were first getting collected, they don't look like they've shifted much at all. now i think what is interesting, christian, is perhaps from my perspective if i was still minister for women any qualities i think i would be having a refresh of the gender pay gap right now. i think i would be looking at whether or not when we see companies making commitments to get a net zero by 2050, whether we should be expecting similar commitments to get to gender parity when it comes to pay. i also think we have to look almost behind the steps to understand that if the company is bringing in a long—term strategy on gender, that might well mean that at the lower levels of its company in the short term it is starting to get that. in other words, more women coming into the
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positions and therefore it may well be that part of this initial short term isn't as big as it looks. it's actually a long—term strategy on more women getting into organisations in careers that will ultimately see them get on and then back gender pay gap move in the right direction. is back gender pay gap move in the right direction.— right direction. is that not happening _ right direction. is that not happening there, - right direction. is that not| happening there, justine's right direction. is that not i happening there, justine's if right direction. is that not - happening there, justine's if you look at the figures now for women in the boardroom, they are much healthier. women in the workplace much healthier. we need to get more wound back after the pandemic. but it's not translating through the play. i it's not translating through the -la . ~' it's not translating through the .la , ~' . it's not translating through the play. i think that we are seeing actually is _ play. i think that we are seeing actually is the _ play. i think that we are seeing actually is the transparency - play. i think that we are seeing actually is the transparency of| play. i think that we are seeing i actually is the transparency of the gender pay gap has taught us it's really the motherhood penalty. effectively there is far less of any difference until women start having children, and it is often that time in their career that they really start to see the open up. so i think we know much better now where we need to chocolate. i think the other area that we have to leave out if
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there's for women what happens in pensions once they have left the workplace and retired. there is actually a significant pensions for women as well. so a variety of different issues. there is no quick fix but i think it does start with transparency but what we now need is gender pay gap law with stronger commitments by companies and perhaps much more detail on the nuts and bolts of how they are actually going to shift the dial in the long term. really interesting. 0n to shift the dial in the long term. really interesting. on a related issue, miles has come out with a story about gold bullion or the price of gold, is not right because not because it's at an high.- not because it's at an high. leave it to justine _ not because it's at an high. leave it to justine to _ not because it's at an high. leave it to justine to pick _ not because it's at an high. leave it to justine to pick a _ not because it's at an high. leave it to justine to pick a more - not because it's at an high. leave | it to justine to pick a more serious it tojustine to pick a more serious topic— it tojustine to pick a more serious topic and — it tojustine to pick a more serious topic and make me look silly. she's fantastic_ topic and make me look silly. she's fantastic and here i am, i want to talk about— fantastic and here i am, i want to talk about gold. i want to talk about money. and i will tell you what. _ about money. and i will tell you what, christian, the story here is that gold — what, christian, the story here is that gold is — what, christian, the story here is that gold is getting close to north of $2000 an ounce, which is about to
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be the highest watermark we have ever seen— be the highest watermark we have ever seen in gold pricing. so christian. _ ever seen in gold pricing. so christian, my message for you is get out the _ christian, my message for you is get out the metal detector, get off the shuttle. _ out the metal detector, get off the shuttle, get up the arcs, if you're going _ shuttle, get up the arcs, if you're going to become a gold prospector, because gold is going up. but on a more _ because gold is going up. but on a more serious note, this is a really interesting — more serious note, this is a really interesting thing for us to be paying attention to right now. folks in the _ paying attention to right now. folks in the world of economics know that as gold _ in the world of economics know that as gold prices go up but it's also a bil as gold prices go up but it's also a big signal— as gold prices go up but it's also a big signal of nervousness in the economx — big signal of nervousness in the economy. in the age of ain crypto you would — economy. in the age of ain crypto you would think people would be moving _ you would think people would be moving their money into more sophisticated places but people are reverting _ sophisticated places but people are reverting to gold right now because there _ reverting to gold right now because there is— reverting to gold right now because there is a _ reverting to gold right now because there is a great deal of fear in the economy— there is a great deal of fear in the economy that we are not passed the humny— economy that we are not passed the bumpy parkjust yet. we have seen some _ bumpy parkjust yet. we have seen some things with cost of living, but it is a _ some things with cost of living, but it is a tough— some things with cost of living, but it is a tough period and people are scared _ it is a tough period and people are scared. but— it is a tough period and people are scared. �* . . , it is a tough period and people are scared. �* . ., , , it is a tough period and people are scared. . , scared. but that was because crypto has been moving _ scared. but that was because crypto has been moving with _ scared. but that was because crypto has been moving with asset - scared. but that was because crypto| has been moving with asset classes, house and it's it's been moving with stops and shares and bonds. it moves up stops and shares and bonds. it moves up and down whereas gold has always been the hedge against economic turbulence. ., been the hedge against economic turbulence-— been the hedge against economic turbulence. ., ~ ., , .,
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turbulence. sure. without question. someone said _ turbulence. sure. without question. someone said this _ turbulence. sure. without question. someone said this to _ turbulence. sure. without question. someone said this to me _ turbulence. sure. without question. someone said this to me last - turbulence. sure. without question. someone said this to me last night. someone said this to me last night here in— someone said this to me last night here in los — someone said this to me last night here in los angeles, christian, across— here in los angeles, christian, across industries and sectors, people — across industries and sectors, people feel like the ship is about to sink. — people feel like the ship is about to sink, whether it's in hollywood, whether— to sink, whether it's in hollywood, whether it's — to sink, whether it's in hollywood, whether it's in the world of finance, _ whether it's in the world of finance, there is a lot of concern about— finance, there is a lot of concern about stability in the markets right now _ about stability in the markets right now. people are worried about the banks _ now. people are worried about the banks so — now. people are worried about the banks. so yes they are going back to gold _ banks. so yes they are going back to gold. maybe we're going to see the size of— gold. maybe we're going to see the size of fort — gold. maybe we're going to see the size of fort knox increased in the not—too—distant future but this is certainly— not—too—distant future but this is certainly your signal of the uneasiness of the markets and it is clearly _ uneasiness of the markets and it is clearly something to watch. i suspect — clearly something to watch. i suspect we are going to see gold get an all-time _ suspect we are going to see gold get an all—time high here in the not—too—distant future. you have very— not—too—distant future. you have very close — not—too—distant future. you have very close to it. | not-too-distant future. you have very close to it.— very close to it. i didn't realise until i very close to it. i didn't realise until i was _ very close to it. i didn't realise until i was the _ very close to it. i didn't realise until i was the paris _ very close to it. i didn't realise - until i was the paris correspondent, i went to the gold in paris that people still convert some of their salaries into gold coins. so you know what the gold coin is in paris? miles's i know what the gold coin is in paris? miles' ., �* , . , miles's i don't, christian, but if i could ever propose _ miles's i don't, christian, but if i could ever propose a _ miles's i don't, christian, but if i could ever propose a trip - miles's i don't, christian, but if i could ever propose a trip for - could ever propose a trip for you and l. _ could ever propose a trip for you and l. i— could ever propose a trip for you and i, ithink could ever propose a trip for you and i, i think we would probably go to those _ and i, i think we would probably go to those markets and do a little bit of gold _ to those markets and do a little bit of gold dealing. to those markets and do a little bit of gold dealing-— of gold dealing. well, it's the napoleon _ of gold dealing. well, it's the napoleon and _ of gold dealing. well, it's the napoleon and france. - of gold dealing. well, it's the napoleon and france. is - of gold dealing. well, it's the napoleon and france. is it. of gold dealing. well, it's the | napoleon and france. is it the golden eagle in america? it
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napoleon and france. is it the golden eagle in america? it sure is. it sure is. golden eagle in america? it sure is. it sure is- and _ golden eagle in america? it sure is. it sure is. and the _ golden eagle in america? it sure is. it sure is. and the sovereign - golden eagle in america? it sure is. it sure is. and the sovereign in - golden eagle in america? it sure is. it sure is. and the sovereign in the l it sure is. and the sovereign in the uk, is it sure is. and the sovereign in the uk. is that — it sure is. and the sovereign in the uk. is that right — it sure is. and the sovereign in the uk, is that right justine's - it sure is. and the sovereign in the uk, is that right justine's i - uk, is that right justine's i think so. iwas uk, is that right justine's i think so- i was going _ uk, is that right justine's i think so. i was going to _ uk, is that right justine's i think so. i was going to propose - uk, is that right justine's i think so. i was going to propose a - uk, is that right justine's i think i so. i was going to propose a trip to the royal mint. it was one of the best visits i have dead. taste the royal mint. it was one of the best visits i have dead.— the royal mint. it was one of the best visits i have dead. we are out of time. thank _ best visits i have dead. we are out of time. thank you, _ best visits i have dead. we are out of time. thank you, lovely - best visits i have dead. we are out of time. thank you, lovely to - best visits i have dead. we are out of time. thank you, lovely to have | of time. thank you, lovely to have you both with us. we will be back at the same time tomorrow. say goodbye to our worldview was, but uk viewers are still with us. one of the world's biggest online criminal marketplaces has been taken down in a global sting operation. genesis market sold stolen login details that allowed fraudsters to access bank and shopping accounts. around 120 people were arrested across the globe. here in the uk, 2a people were arrested. daniel sandford reports. come to the door! police! come to the door! an early morningraid on grimsby at the home of a suspected fraudster.
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officers from the national crime agency and the police arrested a man in his 30s on suspicion of fraud and computer misuse. one of 2a people arrested in the uk. the target of the raids was the genesis market website, a one—stop shop for hackers who could log in and buy stolen passwords for bank accounts, paypal accounts and accounts for services like amazon, uber and netflix. what was particularly dangerous about the data being sold on the genesis market website was that it wasn't just log in details. the hackers could purchase all of what is known as your digital fingerprints, your browser information, your ip address and your physical location. so that when the hackers logged into a bank account or shopping website, it really did look as if they were the original user. hackers trying to use genesis market today did not get the usual login page. rather, they got this message from the fbi saying the website had been seized as part of operation cookie monster —
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a reference to the fact that one of the things that genesis market was selling was computer cookies to help hackers impersonate genuine users. for too long, criminals have stolen credentials from innocent members of the public. we now want criminals to be afraid that we have their credentials, and they should be. members say they should use a two factor login will stop on their phones and computers, they should use strong passwords and, where possible, use two factor authentication. that's when a text message with a one use password is sent as part of the login process. daniel sandford, bbc news, at the national crime agency. let's take a look at what's coming up here on bbc news. later it's newsnight, but next, huw edwards will have the ten o'clock news. yes, you're getting ready here for bbc news at ten, we will be focusing on events today and scotland. the former chief executive of the scottish national party, peter
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morrow, who is the husband of the former first minister, nicola sturgeon, was arrested today by police looking at party funding. we will have a look at that story. also endorsed it, where the government wants to house 500 migrants on a barge off the coast of that county. that is causing a lot of local opposition. and we will take a look and offence in augusta in georgia, where some of the worlds best golfers are preparing to tee off in the masters. all of that at ten. at half past ten on the news tonight, high political drama and scotland as the husband of nicholas turgeon, the former first minister, is arrested over allegations, all denied, a financial impropriety. peter morrow, the former chief executive of the smp was released tonight without charge. where does all this leave the s&p and the campaign for independence's we will be joined here in glascow by sirjohn curtis, the leading psychologist, political journalist hannah roger, and one of the us campaigns most prominent
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activist, and i am us then. thanks for watching. we will be back with you the same time tomorrow. good night. hello there. not quite as much sunshine around today. for many, it's been quite a cloudy day, and there's been some outbreaks of rain, some of it quite drizzly at times, a bit of a nuisance, really. and all that cloud and rain is spilling its way steadily eastwards. there's several weather fronts that have been invading from the far northwest, that's where the strongest of the winds have been as well today. the best of the sunshine across southeast england, but it's not lasting because the cloud arrives and the rain will push its way in. you can see a slightly darker blue. there's more intensity to the rain in the back edge of that wet weather. so there will be some heavier bursts from time to time slowly clearing its way eastwards. so, through the night, quite a lot of cloud around, yes, some outbreaks of rain, slowly improving across western scotland and northern ireland, here, a few scattered showers, but we keep that cloud and rain
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first thing in the morning. so temperatures are going to hold up above freezing, generally around 6—9 celsius. so a mild start to thursday, but it could be a cloudy and a rather wet one out to the east, as that frontal system's still yet to clear. a little ridge of high pressure starts to build in behind, and that means that the start of the easter weekend is looking quite promising. but for thursday morning, then, grey, dull and damp along the east for a time, slowly brightening up from the west. but there will be a rash of showers developing with that northwesterly wind feeding them in on the exposed coast, some of them heavy, maybe the odd rumble of thunder as well from time to time, with top temperatures ranging from 9—11; celsius. now, as we move out of thursday into friday, that ridge of high pressure is set to build. it is going to last for the beginning of the easter weekend, but weather fronts starting to push in from the west, threatening certainly by easter monday. so for easter weekend, i suspect we could be chasing some cloud amounts around. let's take a look in
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a little more detail. along the east coast on friday, an easterly feed mightjust produce a little more cloud on those exposed east coasts. sheltered west perhaps seeing the best of the sunshine, but a good deal of dry weather generally across the country, and, again, 10—14 celsius. as we move out of good friday into the start of the weekend, saturday looks dry and settled, and the same too, really for easter sunday, maybe a little bit of rain from time to time, but the rain certainly is expected to arrive as we move into easter monday. that's it. take care.
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tonight at ten, a crisis for the scottish national party. its former chief executive is arrested as police investigate the party's finances. peter murrell, who's married to the former first minister nicola sturgeon, had resigned from his post last month. the couple's home was searched by police today, as nicola sturgeon's successor — elected last week — acknowledged the gravity of the situation. my reaction, as you'd imagine, much like anybody involved in the snp, is that this is a difficult day for the party. earlier this evening mr murrell was released without charge pending further inquiries. also tonight... in the largest—ever case of child sex abuse investigated
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by west midlands police, 21 people have been convicted for their crimes.

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