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live from london. this is bbc news. the husband of scotland's former first minister nicola sturgeon is released without charge while further investigations are done into the scottish national party's finances. serving london metropolitan police officers are moved from tackling serious crime to investigating wrongdoing in the force. french president emmanuel macron meets with president xijinping in beijing. and a pair of sneakers worn by michaeljordan is expected to break records at auction next week.
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hello and welcome. the former chief executive of scottish national party peter murrell has been released without charge by the police, pending further investigation into party finances. mr murrell, the husband of former first minister nicola sturgeon, was arrested on wednesday morning. a police search resumed on thursday morning at the couple's glasgow home. our scotland correspondent james shaw has more details on the investigations that is being conducted at the glasgow house of peter murrell. as you can see, the scene behind me is a big police evidence tent obscuring the front of peter murrell and nicola sturgeon�*s house. inside the tent is a police van, and over the course of yesterday and it appears also this morning, police officers have been coming and going, bringing material out of the house and putting it into the van. so clearly, this is a live investigation at the moment. it is continuing, even though
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peter murrell himself was released by the police without charge, this investigation is certainly continuing. as you mentioned, he has been released without charge so it suggests there is not enough evidence to charge him at the moment. are the police hinting where this might go? they have to look at the evidence they have gathered and we think there is a lot of it. they were also at the headquarters of the scottish national party, the party peter murrell was the chief executive of, the party nicola sturgeon, his wife, was the leader of, taking out crates of material yesterday as well. so they need to assess all of that evidence and then what happens under the system in scotland is that the police put together a report, that is then sent to the public prosecutor, the procurator fiscal, as they are known in scotland, and it is the fiscal who decides whether there should be a prosecution or not. he will look at the report and decide whether there is enough
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evidence for a prosecution to go ahead or potentially decide that there is not enough, and maybe ask the police to do more work or potentially, that could be the end of the matter. but this is an extraordinarily difficult situation for the scottish national party. it was only a few days ago that nicola sturgeon was the first minister of scotland and peter murrell was the boss of the ruling party. they have resigned from theirjobs. this is a big headache for the snp and the new leader of the party and first minister of scotland, humza yousaf, who is facing really the first big test of his leadership with this situation, which is still developing, the investigation which is continuing at the moment. and james, there has been no suggestion that nicola sturgeon is directly involved, she was not arrested but she has said that she will cooperate fully with any inquiries. that is right. we have been told that nicola sturgeon has not been asked any questions by the police
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at this point. she has said that of course, she will cooperate with their investigations. the other question that is being asked is whether the timing of her resignation was connected with the fact of this police investigation continuing. we can't answer that question at the moment. one thing we do know, though, is that nicola sturgeon was supposed to be taking part in a climate change event later today. she has now said that she won't do that because she does not want to distract attention from the issue of climate change by the questions that might well be asked by people, journalists, reporters, about the investigation into her husband. james shaw in glasgow, there. london's metropolitan police says it has moved officers from tackling serious crime and terrorism to boost efforts to clean up its own workforce. the head of the met says four out of five investigations into officers accused of domestic abuse and sexual
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violence need to be reassessed. sir mark rowley says hundreds of officers and civilian staff will be removed over the next few years. last month, a major review branded the force institutionally sexist, racist and homophobic. speaking to the today programme, rowley admitted that the review found the majority of historic cases involving officers accused of domestic and sexual violence haven't been dealt with properly. let's take you through the numbers. in an open letter published late last night, he said 1,131 individuals were going to be reinvestigated. of those reinvestigated, 246 will face no formal action, because correct action was taken at the time. 689 will undergo a new assessment to pursue new or missed lines of inquiry, including possibly talking again to victims and witnesses. and 196 face formal risk management measures and potentially a review to determine if they should
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remain in the force. the french president emmanuel macron and the president of the european commission, ursula von der leyen, are in beijing, where they're holding talks with the chinese leadership. the trip is the latest push by europe to engage with china, and they're expected to urge china to use its influence on russia to halt the war in ukraine. after meeting with china's premier, li qiang, preident macron has met president xi xingping. in his first comments, mr macron said the visit would focus on economic ties as well as international stability. live now to berlin to speak to professor daniela schwarzer at the open society foundation. thank you forjoining us. what is the significance of this trip? the tri is the significance of this trip? the trip is very _ the significance of this trip? tue: trip is very significant the significance of this trip? tte: trip is very significant because the significance of this trip? he trip is very significant because it is not only the french president travelling but the president of the european commission, ursula von der leyen,is european commission, ursula von der leyen, is going to beijing as well and that is important because of the one hand, of course, every head of
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state and government that has economic ties with china wants to go there, to reinforce them, but on the other hand, macron said and rightly so that china and europe have an international agenda so it is good that the european interest is represented also by the european commission president, at a time where china has tried to position itself as a broker between russia and ukraine. of course, europeans look at this with some scepticism because china is not neutral. at the same time, europe needs to work with china on global issues that are pressing at the moment, such as climate change.— pressing at the moment, such as climate change. how significant is the timin: climate change. how significant is the timing of _ climate change. how significant is the timing of the _ climate change. how significant is the timing of the trip? _ climate change. how significant is the timing of the trip? what - climate change. how significant is the timing of the trip? what does | the timing of the trip? what does emanuel macron want to get out of this? , ., ., ., , ., this? first of all, a number of heads of _ this? first of all, a number of heads of state _ this? first of all, a number of heads of state and _ this? first of all, a number of. heads of state and government this? first of all, a number of- heads of state and government are going to beijing. the german chancellor went a few weeks earlier. this is really after their total close—down of china during covid times. the business delegation that is joining times. the business delegation that isjoining macron times. the business delegation that is joining macron and times. the business delegation that isjoining macron and olaf
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times. the business delegation that is joining macron and olaf scholz and his german business travel, the chancellor, this is to rebuild ties and to reinforce them but at the same time, the political agenda, with china is so important at the moment. first of all, china's support for russia in its war with ukraine, from a european perspective, is significant, if china really wants to be a mediator in this conflict, it has to start pressing russia to a different approach. there have been past successes where olaf scholz and xi jinping, so the german chancellor with his chinese counterpart, they basically encouraged, well, they basically encouraged, well, they basically put pressure on putin to stop his nuclear threats, which indeed, then, were not as present as they were before. so china has leveraged on russia, that is evident. it really needs to use it rather than supporting russia by buying its gas and being more active on economic ties with russia. we
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often hear _ on economic ties with russia. we often hear about the strained relations between beijing and washington but generally speaking, what is the relationship like between china and european countries?— countries? there is a mutual economic— countries? there is a mutual economic dependency - countries? there is a mutual economic dependency that i countries? there is a mutual. economic dependency that has countries? there is a mutual- economic dependency that has grown over the decades. but on the other hand, europe takes an increasingly i would say protective, self protective stance vis—a—vis china. a number of laws have been passed that actually, for instance, include measures on investments, —— investment screening, creating transparency on dependencies on china, the raw material act is crucial, here, so europe looks at its vulnerabilities in a far more forward leaning way. it invests in its own competitiveness, our own chips act and measures to really support technological industries in europe and the digital transition. all this is partly accelerated by the big competition that china today
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represents viz over europe. and then of course there is a global agenda, of course there is a global agenda, of course, europe needs china as it needs the us and as we need each other, plus a number of other big players like brazil or african countries, to tackle climate change, to ensure that climate transition is donein to ensure that climate transition is done in a just way, so it doesn't destabilise societies, and for that, you know, it is important that the commission president and the french president are there together because it really makes it clear that europe speaks with one voice on global issues and it needs to do so more because there have been failures by the political westie to tackle a number of global problems. take —— the political west. take for instance, the pandemic management, the support for the global south during those times and now climate transition. ., ~ , ., ., ., transition. thank you for “oining us. transition. thank you for “oining "mi transition. thank you for “oining thankyou * transition. thank you for “oining us. thank you for i transition. thank you for “oining us. thank you for having _ transition. thank you forjoining us. thank you for having me. i buckingham palace says it is cooperating with an independent study into the links between the british monarchy
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and the slave trade in the 17th and 18th centuries. the research is being carried out by the university of manchester with historic royal palaces. full access will be granted to the royal archives, with the study completed in 2026. our royal correspondent nicholas witchelljoins us now from the newsroom. how significant is this for the british monarchy?— british monarchy? well, it is clearly a _ british monarchy? well, it is clearly a sensitive _ british monarchy? well, it is clearly a sensitive and - british monarchy? well, it is - clearly a sensitive and important issue in this study, i gather, started in october, just a month after the new king came to the throne in september. it is not expected to report until 2026. it is in the hands of a researcher at the university of manchester who has experience in this field and as you mentioned, buckingham palace is making both the royal archives and the royal collection completely accessible to the researchers. both the king and the prince of wales have expressed their profound sorrow
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at the implications and impact of the slave trade in centuries gone by. the king, as prince of wales, did so at the heads of government meeting at the commonwealth conference in rimando last year, when he talked about his personal —— in rimando last year, when he talked about his personal sorrow, "i can't describe the depths of my personal sorrow at the suffering of so many" for dot the prince of wales expressed similar sentiments during a visit to the caribbean last year. it is clearly important for the british monarchy to be seen to be addressing this issue. the transatlantic slave trade which britain participated in in the late 17th and 18th centuries, albeit that britain was then at the forefront of banning the international slave trade, but they want to get to the detail of the extent, if any, of any investment by former british monarchs, by trading companies and whatever other implications they may be. ., ., , ,
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be. you mentioned investments, i think there — be. you mentioned investments, i think there is _ be. you mentioned investments, i think there is often _ be. you mentioned investments, i think there is often talk _ be. you mentioned investments, i think there is often talk about - think there is often talk about reparations that are paid to people who have been influenced and affected by the slave trade. is that affected by the slave trade. is that a conversation you think the british monarchy might have?— monarchy might have? there is no information _ monarchy might have? there is no information about _ monarchy might have? there is no information about that. _ monarchy might have? there is no information about that. i - monarchy might have? there is no information about that. i think- monarchy might have? there is no| information about that. i think that it will certainly be something that will be in their minds, but i think they would want to understand fully and completely the extent of any involvement by former british monarchs, by the royal household in this trade before deciding how to respond to whatever information may come forward. so there is certainly no suggestion at this stage of reparations but i think that they want to fully understand what the implications and involvement if any involves. tt implications and involvement if any involves. ., , implications and involvement if any involves. , ., ., , involves. it has been a tumultuous few ears involves. it has been a tumultuous few years for _ involves. it has been a tumultuous few years for the _ involves. it has been a tumultuous few years for the british _ involves. it has been a tumultuous| few years for the british monarchy, obviously with the death of queen elizabeth being one big event but we have also had events like losing barbados as part of the commonwealth, really bringing into
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question the future of the british monarchy. what does this tell us about the future of royal life? t about the future of royal life? i don't think it tells us anything at all. i mean, there is no question about the future of the british monarchy certainly in the uk context. but clearly, with the change of reign, the transition to charles iii, there will be questions being asked around those countries, 14 being asked around those countries, 1a other countries which have the british head of state as their head of state, and again, charles made it absolutely clear at the commonwealth conference in rwanda last year that each country must make its own decision and in a democratic context, that will be completely understood by buckingham palace, by him, if other democratic countries decide that they want to break away and cease to be monarchies, constitutional monarchies, and if they feel that they wish now to become republics. tqm. they feel that they wish now to become republics. 0k, nicholas
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witchell, thank _ become republics. 0k, nicholas witchell, thank you _ become republics. 0k, nicholas witchell, thank you very - become republics. 0k, nicholas witchell, thank you very much. | more now on one of more how on one of oui’ more now on one of our top stories and the metropolitan bay says it has moved offices into its own. clean up its own workforce. it says four out of five investigations into offices accused of missed abuse and sexual violence need to be reassessed. speaking on the today programme, sir mark rowley admitted the review and the majority of staff whose vetting has been looked at did not have a satisfactory conclusion. it is not quite four out of five did not have the right action. some of them, on reviewing the cases, we haven't looked at the case, we have looked at the individual behind it. on some of them, we have found other lines of inquiry. so it is not always related to the original investigation, sometimes, it is about the individual. but four out of five
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of the individuals, we need to do more work on. of those, a smaller proportion are cases we are already concerned about, and we'll either put risk management measures in place and or re—vetting them, and we have tried to build a new re—vetting process where people who fail vetting leave the organisation, which listeners will be surprised to hear there hasn't been a clarity in regulations about that. and the rest of them, we are looking deeper at those individuals and those cases, and some of those will turn out to have no concern in the end and some of them will turn out to have concern, i'm absolutely sure about that. and something else i wanted to say is that we have got independent experts looking over our shoulder as well. so we have people from, experts from various charities and other organisations who deal with violence against women and girls helping us double—check our thinking. it was still a minority of cases, wasn't it, ultimately, that you were completely satisfied with when you looked at those cases again. that is how we get to four out of five. that's right. so it was a minority which had no further questions, it's fine, i'm comfortable with that and the majority did need to be looked at in one way or another for a variety of reasons. have you established why that was the case? what is your big takeaway about why you have ended up in the position
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that the majority needed looking at again? i think the issue for policing is to not get drawn into whether the only test is whether someone meets a criminal standard because we are involved in a criminal investigation which other employers aren't and in that case, the cps said it did not merit a charge charge for say, domestic violence, that doesn't mean we should assume therefore that there isn't material in the file which still gives a level of concern which might lead to action and i think too often we haven't done that and you saw that in the david carrick case. this is one part of... i said when i started six months ago and i came back to policing from a fairly comfortable retirement that we are going to have to do the biggest doubling down on standards in policing that we had seen for 50 years, probably since robert mark in the 1970s, and this is all a part of that. and the progress we are making, we are sort of close to doubling the number of appeals being dismissed, we have got more cases in the pipeline, this is all part of that mission to clear out those who are letting us down, the hundreds who are letting us down, and the tens of thousands of good officers are really supportive and determined
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to help on this. and you also discovered in the course of this work or have discovered so far that you have 161 officers who have criminal convictions. are you prepared to have anyone in the ranks who has a criminal conviction? i heard you debating that earlier. i think the current policy is too permissive and leaves too much grounds for interpretation. there's certainly some people, when i've looked at the list, i have thought, crikey, that's not right. well, what kinds of things? just explain that. there are some sort of sex offence cases, there are some serious violence cases. dishonesty? exactly, but i think some of them, i think we would all say, probably, if someone at the age of 15 or 18 has got a caution for possessing cannabis and they are now 28 and they have got a good employment track record, and there is no other concerns... let's talk about convictions, though, ratherthan... a caution is part of a conviction, at least on the list. i know, yes. so it would be in the numbers, cases like that as well. on convictions alone, let's remove cautions, are you prepared to have a grading system essentially where the more serious ones, you want those
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people chucked out or not into the force in the first place? but speeding for example, you are comfortable with? i don't think we included speeding on the list of 161... so there is more of those? so there will be all sorts of things like that. but i think the public would expect us to take a very tough line. but i don't think it should be a completely binary line. i think we would all see that, a kid who has cannabis at 15 in his pocket shouldn't rule them out for their whole life. i think it is harder thanit whole life. i think it is harder than it might be because it is not binary choice but i think we have been too permissive, that's a very clear so we are reviewing a lot of the cases i'm looking at re—vetting people and we are also looking at whether we step outside the national guidance because it is quite wide and we want to move to one end of it and we want to move to one end of it and be quite tough and make it much more exceptional that we let somebody in.— more exceptional that we let somebod in. ., ., ., ., somebody in. you have also said that ou have somebody in. you have also said that you have hundreds— somebody in. you have also said that you have hundreds of— somebody in. you have also said that you have hundreds of people - somebody in. you have also said that you have hundreds of people in - somebody in. you have also said that you have hundreds of people in the i you have hundreds of people in the force who should not be here. yes. the process —
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force who should not be here. yes. the process of— force who should not be here. yes. the process of dismissing - force who should not be here. tees the process of dismissing people already in the force, do you have enough leeway to do that? trio. you enough leeway to do that? no. you dont? enough leeway to do that? tm you don't? so how are you going to change it. because it is the case isn't it that the police's terms and conditions and one of the reasons it is hard to dismiss people is because for example we don't allow police to go on strike. for example we don't allow police to go on strike-— go on strike. exactly, there is a thin or go on strike. exactly, there is a thing or police _ go on strike. exactly, there is a thing or police regulations, - go on strike. exactly, there is a l thing or police regulations, which are not employment law and there's lots of good reasons for that such is the one you mention. but i think those regulations over time have become byzantine and complex. so not having a clear provision to dismiss people, say, who have failed a re—vetting process is amazing. people will be shot, some of the people on the list of criminal convictions are people that the met has sacked and an independent lawyer has sacked and an independent lawyer has reinstated so i think your listeners will be surprised to know that the commissioner does not have the final say on who is in their organisation. there are some real problems at this and i'm pleased that the home secretary and the prime minister has been supported on this and done a review of the regulations, which is finishing at the end of the month. i am hoping
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they will put in place pretty urgently some more rapid mechanisms. once we are doubling down and doubling the impact we are having, it is taking much longer than i would like and it is much more difficult than i would like. if they can move the regulations in a way that, of course, is still fair for the officers but helps us go faster, that will be everyone's interest. it is going to be a big flashpoint with the police federation, the union. the police federation they care about the quality of policing, they don't want people in the organisation any more so they will care about it being there but they won't want to be obstructive. what we have seen in this work is that their members, we have doubled the amount of intelligence coming from officers about their college so we have been inundated with volunteers, we need extra capacity, we have been inundated with volunteers who want to help out on these cases so there are tens of thousands of good people i lead really care about this. they are as determine design to get rid of the hundreds who are letting us all down. t of the hundreds who are letting us all down. ~ , ., ., of the hundreds who are letting us all down. ~' ,, . of the hundreds who are letting us all down. ~ i. ., i. all down. i think you are saying you have to have _ all down. i think you are saying you have to have the _ all down. i think you are saying you have to have the regulations - all down. i think you are saying you l have to have the regulations changed if you are going to achieve getting rid of the hundreds of people who
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you have decided to not be in the force. in whose power are those regulations? is it the home secretary or the mayor london? the home secretary or the mayor london? tt;e: home secretary. secretary or the mayor london? the home secretary. what _ secretary or the mayor london? the home secretary. what is _ secretary or the mayor london? the home secretary. what is the - secretary or the mayor london? the l home secretary. what is the process? you make a — home secretary. what is the process? you make a request _ home secretary. what is the process? you make a request and _ home secretary. what is the process? you make a request and then - home secretary. what is the process? you make a request and then there's i you make a request and then there's a consultation? she you make a request and then there's a consultation?— a consultation? she is doing consultation _ a consultation? she is doing consultation now. _ a consultation? she is doing consultation now. we - a consultation? she is doing consultation now. we have. a consultation? she is doing i consultation now. we have put a consultation? she is doing - consultation now. we have put our views in on that so they understand our views on that, they are pulling their thinking together later this month. and then most of the changes can be made through secondary legislation which can be done more quickly and some of them might require primary legislation which will take a bit longer. but i know they care about this as much as i do and they want to help and. and i know in terms of the politics of this, labour mps are very supportive in london. i think their sense of, there's time for a bit of a shift in how this is set up, i think there's a lot of shared agreement that it needs to move. 5ir a lot of shared agreement that it needs to move.— a lot of shared agreement that it needs to move. ,, ,, ., , needs to move. sir mark rowley, the commission — needs to move. sir mark rowley, the commission of— needs to move. sir mark rowley, the commission of the _ needs to move. sir mark rowley, the commission of the metropolitan - commission of the metropolitan police. let's stick with the story with luxmy gopal for a minute. luxmy gopalfor a minute. thank you, in a little while, stay
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with us because the head of the metropolitan police, who you just saw, will face questions from the public live on bbc radio london about how he is going to tackle wrongdoing in the police. we will bring you that interview when it happens live at 11am but we are hearing it might be running late so we will keep you posted and you will see it live. but now, we are going to my colleague, the bbc london home affairs correspondent, sonja jessup. she is just by the affairs correspondent, sonja jessup. she isjust by the radio affairs correspondent, sonja jessup. she is just by the radio studio affairs correspondent, sonja jessup. she isjust by the radio studio now where sir mark rowley is going to be taking the calls. i know you have been following the story for a while. just take us back a bit, give us a bit of context as to where this all started. i know the names of wayne couzens and david carrick will be familiar but remind us of the context. t be familiar but remind us of the context. , , ,.,, be familiar but remind us of the context. , , , , ., context. i suppose it depends how far back you _ context. i suppose it depends how far back you want _ context. i suppose it depends how far back you want to _ context. i suppose it depends how far back you want to go. _ context. i suppose it depends how far back you want to go. we - context. i suppose it depends how far back you want to go. we have l far back you want to go. we have recently seen this very damning
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report from baroness casey, the casey review came out which found that the met police was institutionally racist, homophobic and misogynist. it found various failings around the culture of the met, around officers who had committed those terrible crimes, including wayne couzens and david carrick. the review itself was set “p carrick. the review itself was set up in response to the murder of sarah everard, her kidnap, rape and murder by wayne couzens. he was a serving officer at the time. therefore, it looked back at what was going wrong, and looked also at notjust was going wrong, and looked also at not just the culture was going wrong, and looked also at notjust the culture but was going wrong, and looked also at not just the culture but also various problems within the met police, for example on the front line, neighbourhood policing, which identified crumbling, londoners who had lost confidence in the force. and it asked a number of questions about how these corrupt officers were allowed into the force, how
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they weren't called out, the fact people were often reporting problems but were not listened to, and obviously there were a number of awful cases highlighted within that, officers who were saying they had experienced racism and misogyny themselves. and that is how that all came about, and today, the met commissioner has been saying, he has been saying for a while that he wanted to update londoners on how progress is being made to actually root out corruption and to turn things around. that is what we are expecting to hear today, what progress is being made. there has been a poll — progress is being made. there has been a poll commissioned, - progress is being made. there has been a poll commissioned, hasn'tl been a poll commissioned, hasn't there, by the bbc, and carried out by you gals, which has looked at the level of trust among —— carried out by yougov, about the level of trust in sir mark rowley and his ability to root out corruption. what were the findings of that? that to root out corruption. what were the findings of that?— to root out corruption. what were the findings of that? that is right, we have a special— the findings of that? that is right, we have a special programme - the findings of that? that is right, we have a special programme on. the findings of that? that is right, i we have a special programme on bbc london at 6:30pm tonight, and in fact, the commissioner is going to
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come on to speak to the mid—morning show here on the radio in a few moments to answer questions, not only to update us but also talk about the poll. we asked yougov to carry out this question, just over 1000 people, 42% of londoners who answered it said they had total distrust in the force. if you look at what women are saying, it is even higher, almost half of them, 47% said they had total distrust. nearly three quarters, so 73%, believe the met treats some people in society differently to others. 43% said they now view the organisation more negatively than they did at the same time last year. when we asked how optimistic londoners were that things could change, 63% of those who took part in the study said they were not confident that the commissioner could root out corrupt or abusive officers. what i expect will happen today to sir mark rowley
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will happen today to sir mark rowley will be pointing to this update on what they have identified and the work that they are doing to root out and identify those officers and get them out as quickly as possible. at obviously, that lack of trust in his ability to do so will come as a disappointment. i mean, he has said that he is serious about the promise he is making and he points as well to the tens of thousands of officers he says are good officers who are committed to making the change. he says there has been an increase in the number of those officers who were calling out that behaviour. he points to the internal hotline, for example, where they have seen an increase, a doubling of the number of reports coming into that. he says now around 1a reports of potential misconduct among their colleagues every week. just misconduct among their colleagues every week-— every week. just to look at what came out of— every week. just to look at what came out of the _ every week. just to look at what came out of the baroness - every week. just to look at what came out of the baroness caseyj came out of the baroness casey review, which was only a couple of weeks ago also, that kind of follows on from the point you are making where one of the findings of the
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review was that black londoners were over policed and under protected and baroness casey said those from ethnic minority background were more likely to be and searched. how much more work —— to be stopped and searched. how much more work is there to do before trust can be restored? as you say from the findings of the poll, it does not make for very comfortable reading. no, it doesn't and there is a huge amount of work to do. the commissioner would agree with that. he says it is not going to happen overnight. but he says that over weeks and months, londoners will start to see a difference. i think ultimately, that is how he is going to be judged ultimately, that is how he is going to bejudged on this, whether londoners actually start to feel safer on the streets, whether they feel more confident reporting crime, whether they see crime rates falling. some of the work that he has been doing and saying is very important. he is working more closely with communities. he has promised to rebuild neighbourhood policing, putting more officers on the beat, more resources into that.
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it also really saying that met police officers need to be working much more closely in conjunction, listening to what communities actually work and as part of the programme tonight, people will be able to see what we have done following the police around and the commissioner, as they kind of consult with local groups, hearing some of the problems that people are raising. stop and search does come up. this is a very contentious issue, particularly among black communities. sir mark rowley has said before that it is a vital tool but he has said, as the casey review points out, that there needs to be a fundamental reset of it. he said they need to look at it again and make sure that they are working with communities on that. really communicating why they want to do it, and listening to the lived experiences, making sure that officers are trained, with input from those communities, so that they understand as well the impact that
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it has. he said stop and search is a valuable tool but it comes with a cost as well, particularly if it is not done well.— cost as well, particularly if it is not done well. stay with us for a moment- _ not done well. stay with us for a moment. those _ not done well. stay with us for a moment. those of _ not done well. stay with us for a moment. those of you - not done well. stay with us for a moment. those of you watching | not done well. stay with us for a i moment. those of you watching at home just moment. those of you watching at homejustjoining us, just to remind you of what we are going to be hearing soon. we are going to be hearing soon. we are going to be hearing from the commissioner of the metropolitan police, sir mark rowley, who is going to be taking questions from the public live, that was due to start at 11am on bbc radio london, but we understand he is running a little bit late. but that gives us a bit of time around what the met police force is doing. we heard from sonja jessup just there about some of the challenges they face, some of the obstacles they face, some of the obstacles they need to overcome to win back public trust and deal with rooting out corruption. sirmark sir mark rowley said 1131 individuals were going to be reinvestigated. of those
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