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obviously there are many more, including a absolutely... we did tend to be anti—discrimination in all... is all... , ., ., all... is there a plan, recognition of what jamie — all... is there a plan, recognition of what jamie said _ all... is there a plan, recognition of what jamie said and _ all... is there a plan, recognition of what jamie said and is - all... is there a plan, recognition of what jamie said and is there i all... is there a plan, recognition of what jamie said and is there a | of whatjamie said and is there a plan? of what jamie said and is there a lan? , ., , of what jamie said and is there a plan? there is absolute recognition of it, we plan? there is absolute recognition of it. we have _ plan? there is absolute recognition of it, we have in _ plan? there is absolute recognition of it, we have in our— plan? there is absolute recognition of it, we have in our plans, - plan? there is absolute recognition of it, we have in our plans, just - of it, we have in our plans, just like in our approach to professional standards, buildings plan, every time a building gets refurbished, we are looking at how we can improve access, is all of these things are part of the plan. but i understand jamie. part of the plan. but i understand jamie. . , part of the plan. but i understand jamie. ., ., jamie. there was a feeling of embarrassment _ jamie. there was a feeling of embarrassment come - jamie. there was a feeling of embarrassment come in - jamie. there was a feeling of l embarrassment come in there, jamie. there was a feeling of - embarrassment come in there, which is the worst thing you can ever have, but when one police station has access, what do we god, that is what he is saying? i has access, what do we god, that is what he is saying?— what he is saying? i know there is many more _ what he is saying? i know there is many more in _ what he is saying? i know there is many more in london _ what he is saying? i know there is many more in london that - what he is saying? i know there is many more in london that have . many more in london that have disabled access compared to that,
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but i don't know the exact layer to the geography. flan but i don't know the exact layer to the geography-— the geography. can we take that runawa ? the geography. can we take that runaway? i _ the geography. can we take that runaway? ifeel_ the geography. can we take that runaway? i feel bad _ the geography. can we take that runaway? i feel bad now- the geography. can we take that runaway? i feel bad now as - the geography. can we take that| runaway? i feel bad now as well. the geography. can we take that - runaway? i feel bad now as well. can we look at that forjamie? absolutely, there are many more, because people don't often use police stations, we reduce the numbers of police data for front counter is to try to balance the financial books, but there are more and more with access. this financial books, but there are more and more with access.— and more with access. this is on sto and and more with access. this is on stop and search _ and more with access. this is on stop and search from _ and more with access. this is on stop and search from the - and more with access. this is on stop and search from the stop i and more with access. this is on i stop and search from the stop and searches over the last two or three years, what proportion of white people have been found carrying something illegal and what proportion of black people? i don't expect you to have a number like that, but we know there is a disproportionate number of stop and search, and are collected and other police was the term used in the casey report. where are we? stop and search, casey report. where are we? stop and search. positive _ casey report. where are we? stop and search, positive outcome _ casey report. where are we? stop and search, positive outcome rates, - search, positive outcome rates, whether caution or an arrest comes out of it, weapons are found, drugs are found, around 28 or 29%. that is
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the date i saw, the positive outcome rate was pretty much the same between black and right, so —— black and white. the proportionate amount of black people stop to more than white people and this is where we get into the overprotected, under policed issue. this is a really difficult issue where... policed issue. this is a really difficult issue where. . .- difficult issue where... over oliced difficult issue where... over policed and _ difficult issue where. .. over policed and under— difficult issue where... over policed and under protect i difficult issue where... over| policed and under protect it. i difficult issue where... over policed and under protect it. i know what you meant.— policed and under protect it. i know what you meant. there is a challenge ou hel what you meant. there is a challenge you help police _ what you meant. there is a challenge you help police teams _ what you meant. there is a challenge you help police teams work _ what you meant. there is a challenge you help police teams work together| you help police teams work together to tackle where crime falls unevenly, because crime doesn't fall fairly and that is sad.— fairly and that is sad. based on the re ort, fairly and that is sad. based on the report. you — fairly and that is sad. based on the report. you are _ fairly and that is sad. based on the report, you are not— fairly and that is sad. based on the report, you are not going - fairly and that is sad. based on the report, you are not going to - fairly and that is sad. based on the report, you are not going to get. report, you are not going to get help from particular minorities. but thatis help from particular minorities. but that is why you are here.— help from particular minorities. but that is why you are here. because we have to work — that is why you are here. because we have to work together. _ that is why you are here. because we have to work together. the _ that is why you are here. because we have to work together. the report . have to work together. the report calls out that black women are about
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80% more likely to be victims of violence than white women, the last ten years of data says that young black men, from 2a, at 13 times more likely to be murdered in london than young white men. that is a ghastly number. so crime is not falling evenly. and that means we are not succeeding in ourjob in stopping crime, but we cannot do that on our own, so policing does white if they feel they have been realised. feelthey have been realised. we have to create... _ feelthey have been realised. we have to create... the _ feelthey have been realised. we have to create... the committee - have to create... the committee meetinas have to create... the committee meetings i _ have to create... the committee meetings i go — have to create... the committee meetings i go to _ have to create... the committee meetings i go to and _ have to create... the committee meetings i go to and the - have to create... the committee meetings i go to and the work. have to create... the committee . meetings i go to and the work we're doing and the fact we want to put more resources and dignity is so that we solve these problems together. i think the senses that too much of london's policing has been prescribed by us and then delivered without a commons ocean, but what what i want is accommodation where we work out, if we all agree that it is outrageous that young black when more likely to get murdered, have we to fix that.
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stop and search is probably part of that but it is not the whole... i would suggest it's notjust about policing on that one. i am would suggest it's not 'ust about policing on that one._ policing on that one. i am a domestics _ policing on that one. i am a domestics abuse _ policing on that one. i am a domestics abuse survivor, l policing on that one. i am a domestics abuse survivor, i policing on that one. i am a - domestics abuse survivor, i wonder what _ domestics abuse survivor, i wonder what you _ domestics abuse survivor, i wonder what you will do to make women feel safe in_ what you will do to make women feel safe in actual the london area, because — safe in actual the london area, because it's not safe and are not enough — because it's not safe and are not enough laws in place for domestic violence _ enough laws in place for domestic violence survivors. do enough laws in place for domestic violence survivors.— violence survivors. do you have particular— violence survivors. do you have particular challenges _ violence survivors. do you have particular challenges in - violence survivors. do you have - particular challenges in redbridge? they have been some horrible cases. you are talking about more police protection, are you?— protection, are you? yes, i feel like, for example, _ protection, are you? yes, i feel like, for example, gentlemen l protection, are you? yes, i feel- like, for example, gentlemen broke into my— like, for example, gentlemen broke into my property the other day and, basically, _ into my property the other day and, basically, it— into my property the other day and, basically, it took the police are five hours _ basically, it took the police are five hours to attend and ijust feel it is not— five hours to attend and ijust feel it is not safe at all, no more so white _ it is not safe at all, no more so white i'm — it is not safe at all, no more so white i'm going to take on that, it speaks _ white i'm going to take on that, it speaks to— white i'm going to take on that, it speaks to freedom of information request, — speaks to freedom of information request, by speaks to freedom of information revuest, , , ., speaks to freedom of information revuest, ,, , ., , request, by the liberal democrats. you said in — request, by the liberal democrats. you said in september— request, by the liberal democrats. you said in september that - request, by the liberal democrats. you said in september that you - request, by the liberal democrats. i you said in september that you want to get back to attending burglaries.
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22,000 burglaries that were not attended by a police officer. it speaks to that kind of... i don't mean low—level crime, because when you have things taken from you home, it is very intrusive, can you have to bet here. we it is very intrusive, can you have to bet here-— it is very intrusive, can you have to bet here. ~ . ., ., ., to bet here. we are attending all of burn laries to bet here. we are attending all of burglaries in _ to bet here. we are attending all of burglaries in peoples _ to bet here. we are attending all of burglaries in peoples homes - to bet here. we are attending all of burglaries in peoples homes in - to bet here. we are attending all of burglaries in peoples homes in the | burglaries in peoples homes in the capital. i think those figures were national. there are some odd recording practices locally, is a whole, home office rules count someone stealing something from your garden shed as a burglary of your home. some of the data is a bit confusing. home. some of the data is a bit confusing-— home. some of the data is a bit confusinu. ., . ., , , ,, confusing. you have no business bein: in confusing. you have no business being in my _ confusing. you have no business being in my shed. _ confusing. you have no business being in my shed. yes, - confusing. you have no business being in my shed. yes, but - confusing. you have no business being in my shed. yes, but it. confusing. you have no business being in my shed. yes, but it is| confusing. you have no business i being in my shed. yes, but it is not as intrusive — being in my shed. yes, but it is not as intrusive as _ being in my shed. yes, but it is not as intrusive as someone _ being in my shed. yes, but it is not as intrusive as someone being - being in my shed. yes, but it is not i as intrusive as someone being young. i'm trying to guarantee in london and we are very close to it, we delivered it, if someone goes into your home, then we are going to turn up, because you deserve that and better. ., ., , ., ., .,
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up, because you deserve that and better. ., ., ., ., ., better. how are you going to do this, better. how are you going to do this. when _ better. how are you going to do this, when you're _ better. how are you going to do this, when you're taking - better. how are you going to do this, when you're taking office | better. how are you going to do | this, when you're taking office as better. how are you going to do i this, when you're taking office as a wake to investigate offices, if you want to more power to sack officers when you have already told me you don't have enough offices also how you going to do this? we don't have enough offices also how you going to do this?— you going to do this? we are going to have to make _ you going to do this? we are going to have to make choices, _ you going to do this? we are going to have to make choices, cut - you going to do this? we are going to have to make choices, cut down | to have to make choices, cut down demand, about 40% of our work is probably not police work, more than other that is mental health cases where we are filling in the gaps in the nhs. i'm trying to move it out of that. ~ ., ., , ., , of that. we have done this “ourney before. the — of that. we have done this “ourney before. the person * of that. we have done this journey before. the person commissioning of that. we have done this journey - before. the person commissioning the report, he did a report, with the cost of living crisis, mental health, it's a massive issue, you were going to need to support that? i have been talking to the com secretary and prime minister and the launch the initiative to put money into dell service, takes back and i'm going to push them hard on it, because any police officer officers doing police work, not the other way around. in terms of protecting women from domestic violence, there is a lot to do, but we have made some
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progress, last year the number of women murdered in domestic violence situation was half of the previous year, we have seen the number still falling further, one of the ways we have been doing that, the point i made about proactively dealing with most serious offenders, harassment and stalking are often precursors of serious domestic violence, because it is a broken relationship and the man, usually the man, is upset and angry and there is some stalking and ongoing harassment that takes place. we are using more prevention orders, drew more prosecutions on those and charging those and i think a proactive approach, head of it, how it like becoming a serious assault to murder, is probably having an effect. so a long way to go, but we are determined to be much more predator focused, are determined to be much more predatorfocused, it are determined to be much more predator focused, it shouldn't be about the victims should be about as going after the predators that protect the victims that rather than waiting for the victims to step forward. , ., , waiting for the victims to step forward. . . , _, ,, ., waiting for the victims to step forward. , ,, ., , forward. james, the commission is ours. forward. james, the commission is yours. congratulations _ forward. james, the commission is l yours. congratulations commissioner on our
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yours. congratulations commissioner on your appointment _ yours. congratulations commissioner on your appointment and _ yours. congratulations commissioner on your appointment and i _ yours. congratulations commissioner on your appointment and i would - yours. congratulations commissioneri on your appointment and i would like to wish— on your appointment and i would like to wish you _ on your appointment and i would like to wish you and your senior team every— to wish you and your senior team every success going forward. given that almost everyone agrees that on of the _ that almost everyone agrees that on of the beat — that almost everyone agrees that on of the beat is the best way to tackle — of the beat is the best way to tackle crime, how would you feel about _ tackle crime, how would you feel about local councils to patrol our streets _ about local councils to patrol our streets with the other powers to respond — streets with the other powers to respond to and investigate local criminality, street corner drug dealing, — criminality, street corner drug dealing, asb and domestic violence, which _ dealing, asb and domestic violence, which has _ dealing, asb and domestic violence, which has been mentioned a few times? _ which has been mentioned a few times? |— which has been mentioned a few times? ~ . which has been mentioned a few times? ~' ., ., times? i think we have a questionnaire, _ times? i think we have a questionnaire, i'm - times? i think we have a questionnaire, i'm so . times? i think we have a . questionnaire, i'm so sorry, times? i think we have a - questionnaire, i'm so sorry, do a magma want to get in, we have seven more minutes. it sounds like vigilantism? i more minutes. it sounds like vigilantism?— more minutes. it sounds like vigilantism? more minutes. it sounds like virilantism? ., �* , ,, , ., vigilantism? i wouldn't be key on fragmenting _ vigilantism? i wouldn't be key on fragmenting policing _ vigilantism? i wouldn't be key on fragmenting policing and - vigilantism? i wouldn't be key on fragmenting policing and starting vigilantism? i wouldn't be key on i fragmenting policing and starting at a local separate policing teams, it wouldn't have the right effect. i think, as policing has got weaker, in terms of policing in the way you identify, we are going to turn their
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back. fix that. we have put in pressures, no local councils have pulled back from anti—social behaviour officers and things like that. so i think as we looks to fill the local space, i can vaguely agree with you, we need councils to do their part which is noise officers and anti—social behaviour officers. but these problems are articulated as the main challenges, have you talked to chief constables from around the country? this talked to chief constables from around the country?— around the country? this is a national issue. _ around the country? this is a national issue. if— around the country? this is a national issue. if you - around the country? this is a national issue. if you look i around the country? this is a national issue. if you look at | around the country? this is a . national issue. if you look at the national issue. if you look at the national inspectorate report of the last five years, they have called out degradation of neighbourhood policing and community policing across the country. so what has happened over the last decade, but have gotten squeezed, but the workload got more difficult, so don't try is workload got more difficult, so don'tt j , ., don't try is that the same with corruption? — don't try is that the same with corruption? let _ don't try is that the same with corruption? let me _ don't try is that the same with corruption? let me ask - don't try is that the same with corruption? let me ask you i don't try is that the same with corruption? let me ask you a| corruption? let me ask you a straight question. the challenges that you are having in the match, we
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are dealing with corruption, do you think there was reticulated around the country?— the country? yes, there might be different intensities. _ the country? yes, there might be different intensities. have - the country? yes, there might be different intensities. have you i different intensities. have you s - oken different intensities. have you spoken did — different intensities. have you spoken did you _ different intensities. have you spoken did you constables? i different intensities. have you i spoken did you constables? most different intensities. have you - spoken did you constables? most dues know they have — spoken did you constables? most dues know they have most _ spoken did you constables? most dues know they have most of _ spoken did you constables? most dues know they have most of their - spoken did you constables? most dues know they have most of their own i know they have most of their own issues, but the intensity may vary, but we'll these issues.— but we'll these issues. national en . uirer, but we'll these issues. national enquirer, national— but we'll these issues. national enquirer, national or— but we'll these issues. national enquirer, national or can i but we'll these issues. national i enquirer, national or can policing quite make the fire brigade are doing this as institutionally racist. ~ ., ., doing this as institutionally racist. . ., ., , , racist. we have had inquiries, it is about action- _ racist. we have had inquiries, it is about action. about _ racist. we have had inquiries, it is about action. about delivering i racist. we have had inquiries, it is about action. about delivering the action. ,., ., ., about action. about delivering the action. ., ., ,, about action. about delivering the action. ., ., ~' i., , action. good morning, thank you very much. m action. good morning, thank you very much- my starting — action. good morning, thank you very much. my starting point _ action. good morning, thank you very much. my starting point is _ action. good morning, thank you very much. my starting point is to - action. good morning, thank you very much. my starting point is to say i much. my starting point is to say that i_ much. my starting point is to say that i still— much. my starting point is to say that i still maintain the highest respect — that i still maintain the highest respect for the police having said that, _ respect for the police having said that, i_ respect for the police having said that, i question around wistar mine victim _ that, i question around wistar mine victim focus — that, i question around wistar mine victim focus. i was a victim of a burglary, — victim focus. i was a victim of a burglary, the police took eight days to come _ burglary, the police took eight days to come around, they came round, they spent— to come around, they came round, they spent five minutes, they made their notes— they spent five minutes, they made their notes and disappeared. and when _ their notes and disappeared. and when i _ their notes and disappeared. and when i asked for the reports, it was riddled _ when i asked for the reports, it was riddled with — when i asked for the reports, it was riddled with mistakes, i gave
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updates. _ riddled with mistakes, i gave updates, they were entered on the police _ updates, they were entered on the police system, but no apology, no redress _ police system, but no apology, no redress. my question is, can i get the commission are's out as a result of what _ the commission are's out as a result of what i _ the commission are's out as a result of what i have said and as a result of what i have said and as a result of what _ of what i have said and as a result of what i — of what i have said and as a result of what i experienced, following a burglary _ of what i experienced, following a burglary is. of what i experienced, following a burglary is— burglary is. firstly, sounds from addressing _ burglary is. firstly, sounds from addressing that _ burglary is. firstly, sounds from addressing that we _ burglary is. firstly, sounds from addressing that we have - burglary is. firstly, sounds from addressing that we have let i burglary is. firstly, sounds from addressing that we have let you | addressing that we have let you down, i'm sorry about that. secondly, if you want to share your contact details with any�*s colleagues, then i will get when i teed down like team to follow it up. we will want to catch up with a lacklustre investigation. hora we will want to catch up with a lacklustre investigation. how much does make how _ lacklustre investigation. how much does make how important - lacklustre investigation. how much does make how important is i lacklustre investigation. how much does make how important is it i lacklustre investigation. how much does make how important is it to i does make how important is it to take serving police officers with you? flit take serving police officers with ou? .., , take serving police officers with ou? . ., , ., , take serving police officers with ou? , ._ ., , take serving police officers with ou? , ., you? of course, any leader needs to motivate their _ you? of course, any leader needs to motivate their people _ you? of course, any leader needs to motivate their people but _ you? of course, any leader needs to motivate their people but i've i you? of course, any leader needs to motivate their people but i've been l motivate their people but i've been really clear, most of my people, they get this. it might be tempting to say that commissioners is going to say that commissioners is going to have to fight against the organisation, that could be further from the truth, that is why we have
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those officers volunteering to have that, because it will care about it. they are embarrassed and upset about these things, whether the report was entirely the word of officers, frustrating with not being able to do as good a job. but frustrating with not being able to do as good a job.— frustrating with not being able to do as good a job. do as good a 'ob. but the problem was the do as good a job. but the problem was they couldn't _ do as good a job. but the problem was they couldn't tell _ do as good a job. but the problem was they couldn't tell you. - do as good a job. but the problem was they couldn't tell you. they i was they couldn't tell you. they have been _ was they couldn't tell you. they have been going _ was they couldn't tell you. they have been going through i was they couldn't tell you. iia: have been going through the organisation, for the reports commissioned 18 months ago, i started six months ago, i am happy to get the report is.— started six months ago, i am happy to get the report is. patch must ask ou a to get the report is. patch must ask you a question. _ to get the report is. patch must ask you a question, me _ to get the report is. patch must ask you a question, me getting - to get the report is. patch must ask you a question, me getting carriedl you a question, me getting carried away. pat, the commission is yours. hello, i would like to ask what you are doing — hello, i would like to ask what you are doing to protect your own officers — are doing to protect your own officers against officers who are corrupt? — officers against officers who are corrupt? bullying, discrimination, i know— corrupt? bullying, discrimination, i knowa— corrupt? bullying, discrimination, i know a good two or three offices that have — know a good two or three offices that have actually left the force because — that have actually left the force because they were bullied and they were put— because they were bullied and they were put into a really horrible situation _ were put into a really horrible situation. i know about one officer who almost — situation. i know about one officer who almost committed suicide because
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of the _ who almost committed suicide because of the bullying and discrimination that they— of the bullying and discrimination that they suffered. there is no way for your— that they suffered. there is no way for your officers to get help.- for your officers to get help. thank ou for for your officers to get help. thank you for the — for your officers to get help. thank you for the call. — for your officers to get help. thank you for the call, there _ for your officers to get help. thank you for the call, there are - for your officers to get help. thank you for the call, there are two i you for the call, there are two things i would say to that, firstly, in our professional standards, one or two things we have looked at is the victim care and treating officers who are victims as professionals. that hasn't always been the case, again, particularly officers who are victims of sexual assaults, we have been strengthening the approach that. a second white officer welfare and well—being selective, looking at the stress officers deal with, that can have a toll on mental health and it is not just about ptsd from one ghastly violence, bloody incident, it can be a dripping tap effect, dealing with case after case, may be gritting child abuse or domestic violence can slowly get side someone because my mind and undermine their personal well—being. we have significant
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spending on welfare services and counselling and support, but i think we need to do a lot more, we are rolling out sport this year and i have my director of hr looking at what more we can do to support all the good officers, who are trying to do amazing things for london, but sometimes affected by it. yesterday i had three officers who had shots fired at them and making an arrest, thatis fired at them and making an arrest, that is massively dramatic and some people brushed that off and some people brushed that off and some people it can shake you up and we need to look after them, because they deserve it.— they deserve it. absolutely. one ersonal they deserve it. absolutely. one personal question _ they deserve it. absolutely. one personal question from - they deserve it. absolutely. one personal question from me, i they deserve it. absolutely. one personal question from me, just i they deserve it. absolutely. one i personal question from me, just so you can round up, where are we, the two stories affected me the most in 20 odd years, when you already talked about which is a child queue, the other one is grenfell, it has slipped off the radar, i believe you are still in the match, where are we with the investigation into grenfell tower? it with the investigation into grenfell tower? , ., ., , ,
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tower? it is a massive investigation, - tower? it is a massive investigation, 200 i tower? it is a massive i investigation, 200 officers on tower? it is a massive - investigation, 200 officers on it, we have started some of the evidence does make there is a long way to go before it is completed, sadly, because we have had this in parallel this public inquiry and managing the evidence coming out of the public inquiry alongside the police investigation hasn't been straightforward. i desperately want our getjustice for everyone involved as quickly as possible. finally, the bbc poll was about trusting police, can it survive in its current form, and to those 53% who say they don't have confidence in you to make the changes necessary, can you speak directly to them? why should londoners trust you to make the necessary changes? it needs to survive in its current form. london is a big complex and is bound to have a big complex lease words and every star trying do surgery on it it won't accelerate
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