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200 officers on it, investigation, 200 officers on it, we have started some of the evidence does make there is a long way to go before it is completed, sadly, because we have had this in parallel this public inquiry and managing the evidence coming out of the public inquiry alongside the police investigation hasn't been straightforward. i desperately want our getjustice for everyone involved as quickly as possible. finally, the bbc poll was about trusting police, can it survive in its current form, and to those 53% who say they don't have confidence in you to make the changes necessary, can you speak directly to them? why should londoners trust you to make the necessary changes? it needs to survive in its current form. london is a big complex and is bound to have a big complex lease words and every star trying do surgery on it it won't accelerate
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reform but delay, any big reorganisation will have that effect. in terms of mrs thornton as i understand completely with all the ghastly events and reporting why your confidence in the met is shaken, i also understand that since i took up office six months ago i have been determined to be transparent and get all of the gruesome facts at their and show we are taking action against it, so thatis are taking action against it, so that is bound to shake trust and i understand that. but what i am sure you will see its step—by—step we are going to improve the policing of london, whether it is about sorting out all these awful cases about officers and removing them as quickly as possible or whether it is the sort of things we have discussed today where you will see more officers on the streets in your neighbourhood and the pc50 numbers going again and see us improving how we respond to male predatory violence against women and children, you will month by month quarter by quarter notice the difference so please judge us on our actions and i am sure we will start to rebuild
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that trust. we am sure we will start to rebuild that trust-— am sure we will start to rebuild that trust. ~ . ., , ., that trust. we have had hundreds of calls, i am that trust. we have had hundreds of calls. i am sorry _ that trust. we have had hundreds of calls, i am sorry we _ that trust. we have had hundreds of calls, i am sorry we couldn't - that trust. we have had hundreds of calls, i am sorry we couldn't get - that trust. we have had hundreds of calls, i am sorry we couldn't get to l calls, i am sorry we couldn't get to the mall, but thank you for coming and taking the time and answering the questions and i look forward to having you on again because londoners clearly have a lot to say and hopefully positive things to add to your journey, and hopefully positive things to add to yourjourney, mark rowley, head of the metropolitan police, thank you very much. studio: so that was sir mark rowley ahead of the met police are speaking to eddie nestor on bbc radio london answering questions from the public and a lot to unpick their and we will be speaking to a former police watchdog in a moment to give us a bit more info, butjust a few brief points to make as you probably heard from the end there, he says he understands the lack of trust people have in the police board and said he is not surprised by the finding, that a large number of people interviewed didn't feel they were trusting him to root out corruption,
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he talked about the need for more powers from the home secretary to kick out rogue officers and said it was nonsensical that he couldn't sack officers found guilty of wrongdoing, he also talked about the need to increase the number of people of colour in senior leadership roles and said the lack of representation isn't good enough, and he said there needed to be more careful use of stop and search powers and less frequent use of it. let's find out a bit more and speak to zoe billingham who is a former her majesty inspectorate on saturday, a former police watchdog, thank you forjoining us, we have spoken before any time is about issues around trust and the police. do you think people watching at home that interview will have changed their view or will they have any more trust in the met police than they did before?
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sorry, i was on mute, but lovely to see you again. in terms of the really wide—ranging interview, londoners have a great anxiety about their police service right now and for very understandable reasons, but i think what is really important to see from mark rowley and we have seen him in action, starting this up as the commissioner of the metropolitan police, owning the problem, coming in as a new commissioner on the ticket of promising to root out rogue officers, and today putting into the public domain and extremely transparent way, the measures that the police force are taking, that the police force are taking, that the met is taking to actually really address corruption once and for all. in a sense there has been a commitment of an anti—corruption operation, of an industrial scale,
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it is the only way i can describe it. we are talking about officers being diverted from counter terrorism and serious organised crime to actually go into the professional standards department, the ac 12, a line of duty unit there to root out rogue officers. to actually put into action the promises and commitment of the met commissioner has made. i commend mark rowley for standing this up, i think it is a different approach to previous commissioners if i may say so, but what we do know, we talk about this previously, this will take time and things will get worse before they get better and that is a typical tv commissioner has, convincing londoners to give him that time in order to be able to turn around public trust and confidence.— turn around public trust and confidence. ~ , ., , confidence. when you say things get worse before — confidence. when you say things get worse before they _ confidence. when you say things get worse before they get _ confidence. when you say things get worse before they get better - confidence. when you say things get worse before they get better in - confidence. when you say things get worse before they get better in what sense? by all records it is pretty
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bad now, we have seen some horrendous cases, we have seen the baroness casey report so when you say it will get worse before it gets better what are we expecting to see? we know already as soon as you start shining a light into those corners and lifting stones you will root out more corrupt officers and that is precisely what we are seeing. we are seeing three metropolitan police officers a week in court facing criminal conviction charges. we are seeing more members of the public, which is a good thing, stepping forward and burning crime stoppers to report incidents of police officers, i think 1000 to report incidents of police officers, ithink 1000 incidents have been officers, ithink1000 incidents have been reported into crime stoppers and 350 active investigations. we know we have over 1000 met police officers who are being reviewed for previous allegations of serious sexual
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misconduct and abuse and about 700 of those are subject to active investigation. the figures are i watering and we know some of those cases will lead to criminal convictions and more police officers being sacked from the metropolitan police, so this is a huge tanker the metropolitan police commissioner is having to turn around. but i think he has shown his intent, he has not only talked about the changes he needs to make, he is investing significant police resources into his counter corruption unit so that women like you and i when we are in london and we meet a police officer after dark are no longer questioning whether this is someone who will pray and put out on mate but we can be certain that this is certain they will protect us and that is vital. adds a focus on proactive policing of a predatory behaviour. but what
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do you think the immediate next priorities are because it is like a tanker, moving it around slowly, and he said it was about taking step—by—step action and we have already heard about some of the action that is being taken with the police being diverted from areas i counterterrorism to be able to deal with wrongdoing within the force but beyond that is now looking ahead much of the next steps that should be his priority. much of the next steps that should be his priority-— be his priority. actually seeing the “ob bein: be his priority. actually seeing the job being done _ be his priority. actually seeing the job being done in _ be his priority. actually seeing the job being done in terms _ be his priority. actually seeing the job being done in terms of - be his priority. actually seeing the job being done in terms of rooting| job being done in terms of rooting out corrupt officers has got to be his first and foremost priority because it is such a clear and present danger to the ports right now because if the public loos of full confidence in the legitimacy of policing then we won't find people applying to be the police and people want report crimes and we get to a lawless state. it is inconceivable
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that could happen. mark has to see the story and that will take time but the public have to see a difference in the visibility and response of their police and we just heard on not which was fascinating members of the public want to see the police when they have been burgled, it is a intrusive crime, it is a violation of someone's personal space, it may be positions that are stolen but that sense of fear you have when you are burgled we expect to see a police officer, basic policing attending burglaries, dealing with anti—social behaviour, having local bobbies who we can report anxieties to, all these basic steps need to be put in place, and commitment on the commissioner to see guthrie as well.— see guthrie as well. there were a coule of see guthrie as well. there were a ample of calls — see guthrie as well. there were a couple of calls talking _ see guthrie as well. there were a couple of calls talking about - see guthrie as well. there were a couple of calls talking about the l couple of calls talking about the length of time it took police to go around after burghley, one collar saying it took five hours and another saying it was eight days before police came round to see him
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after he had been burgled. so do you think sir mark rowley really did answer the colours' questions they are in a satisfactory way, he said at the start that he didn't want it to be about rhetoric, he wanted to address concerns, d think he successfully did that? i address concerns, d think he successfully did that? i heard most ofthe successfully did that? i heard most of the calls, _ successfully did that? i heard most of the calls, the — successfully did that? i heard most of the calls, the bits _ successfully did that? i heard most of the calls, the bits i _ successfully did that? i heard most of the calls, the bits i heard, - successfully did that? i heard most of the calls, the bits i heard, it - of the calls, the bits i heard, it is impressive as the metropolitan police commissioner he is facing this up and standing in front of the cameras, lots of people report into him he might in another era have been put up to deal with these quite complex questions, i think he has an absolute personal commitment to make these changes. he was appointed six months ago, it seems like an age ago, he was only appointed six months ago and he was appointed on the ticket as being a turnaround commissioner with a priority to
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restore trust and confidence. i don't think he has all the answers at the moment but nor does anyone and he needs the time to see through his actions that lead to changes in the sense of security that londoners feel in the police, confidence we have in them and the sense that when we we call the police they will be their for us. we we call the police they will be theirfor us. do we we call the police they will be their for us-_ their for us. do you think mark rowley has — their for us. do you think mark rowley has the _ their for us. do you think mark rowley has the full _ their for us. do you think mark rowley has the full support . their for us. do you think mark rowley has the full support of| their for us. do you think mark. rowley has the full support of his force behind him? when cressida dick resigned there were some in the ports who were unhappy about the way that was dealt with, do you think there is the right momentum behind him? i there is the right momentum behind him? ~ , there is the right momentum behind him? ~' , ., ., him? i think there is. you look at --eole him? i think there is. you look at people who _ him? i think there is. you look at people who are — him? i think there is. you look at people who are supporting - him? i think there is. you look at people who are supporting mark, him? i think there is. you look at. people who are supporting mark, his deputy, and a number of other officers of high calibre and the commanding ranks, they are all speaking with one voice that we must prioritise restoring particularly
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women and girls' trust in the metropolitan police, it is vital the black communities, that the met police serve, are also seen as an absolute priority in restoring trust and confidence, some would say that trust and confidence has long diminished and will take a long time to restore but i think he has got senior officers within the met we are all working to achieve the same ends, to improve the way london is policed and improve public confidence in policing because without that people won't beat reporting the crime is in or acting as witnesses in court cases so the chances of bringing offenders to justice will be even further diminished than they are now. we have talked for a while about issues
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around trust in police and it has been something discussed for years and years, when do you think we will get to a stage where the issue of trust in the metropolitan police force won't be something that is a pressing concern that needs to be rectified and dealt with, how long will this take? i rectified and dealt with, how long will this take?— will this take? i think that is a really hard — will this take? i think that is a really hard question _ will this take? i think that is a really hard question but - will this take? i think that is a really hard question but a - will this take? i think that is a l really hard question but a good will this take? i think that is a - really hard question but a good one. i think within 18 months we might start to see the number of complaints and concerns levelling off and the number of police officers being sacked from the metropolitan police beginning to reduce and diminish but i think until then we can expect those numbers to continue to rise. i hope to goodness we are not going to see more cases akin to the catastrophic
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severity of the venting of wayne couzens and david carrick, i hope to goodness, but who knows what might be operated and uncovered in the next 18 months but i think we need to allow the new commissioner the time to turn this around and root out what i think has probably been an underlying problem that has festered for too long in the ranks of the metropolitan police. we need a generation of change. i think there are literally tens of thousands of metropolitan police officers up and down the country as well get up every day to do the right thing, apologies for my dog barking, there is someone at my door, but they are the people whose trust will earn back through the public having that day—to—day interaction with them and they themselves will be then feeling
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proud to be a metropolitan police officer. i apologise for my dog. he doesn't like anyone coming within five yards but i hope you're able to hear me. we five yards but i hope you're able to hear me. ~ . ., five yards but i hope you're able to hear me. ~ _, ., i. ., ., hear me. we could hear you loud and clear, hear me. we could hear you loud and clear. could — hear me. we could hear you loud and clear, could not _ hear me. we could hear you loud and clear, could not hear _ hear me. we could hear you loud and clear, could not hear your— hear me. we could hear you loud and clear, could not hear your pet - hear me. we could hear you loud and clear, could not hear your pet at - clear, could not hear your pet at all. that was an encouraging note to end on in terms of the state of the metropolitan police so thank you as everfor metropolitan police so thank you as ever for speaking to me and metropolitan police so thank you as everfor speaking to me and i'm sure we will speak again. that was so we billingham who was a former her majesty inspectorate of constabulary and if you want more information on this story you can go to the live page on bbc news, just search for that online at there will be a special programme on that later today as well. lets join my colleague lucy hawkins now.
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a world where democracy is under threat. london's metropolitan police says it has moved officers from tackling serious crime and terrorism to boost efforts to clean up its own workforce. last month, a major review branded the force institutionally sexist, racist and homophobic. speaking to bbc radio 11 this morning, the head of the met says hundreds of officers and civilian staff will be removed over the next few years. i said when i started six months ago and i came back to policing from a fairly comfortable retirement that we're going to have to do the biggest doubling down on standards in policing that we'd seen for 50 years, probably since robert mark in the 1970s. and this is all a part of that and the progress we're making, we're sort of close to doubling the number of people being dismissed. we've got more cases in the pipeline. this is all part of that mission to clear out those who are letting us down in the hundreds or letting us down. and the tens of thousands of good officers are really supportive and determined to help on this. you also discovered in the course of this work or have discovered
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so far that you have 161 officers who have criminal convictions. now, are you prepared to have anyone in the ranks who has a criminal conviction? i heard you debating that earlier. i think the current policy is too permissive and too much grounds for interpretation. there's certainly some people when i've looked at the list, i thought, crikey, that's that's not right. well, what kinds of things? and there are some sort of sex offence cases, there are some serious violence cases, but... dishonesty. exactly. but i think some of them i think we would all say probably if someone at the age of 15 or 18 has got a caution for possessing cannabis and they're now 28 and they've got good employment track record and there's no other concern... let's talk about convictions, though, rather. of course, these part of a conviction, it's on the list. so it would be in that number as these cases like that as well. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news.
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# somewhere over the rainbow...# it's the day we've all been waiting for. pumpkin the disabled west highland terrier is making her debut as toto on the big stage. pumpkin's owner tammy was watching nervously behind—the—scenes. she was absolutely amazing. she made me cry! i'm just so, so proud of her, so happy, just very emotional, very teary. her onstage companion says she was a natural. she was absolutely loving the audience as well. i could see her looking out. she'sjust a natural. no place like home. there's no place like home. it is like the real story, like having a little best friend there onstage with you. it doesn't make you feel alone, either, because obviously, i open the show on my own, but i don't really, because i have little pumpkin with me.
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there's been a second night of clashes inside the al—aqsa mosque injerusalem. israeli security forces stormed the compound, known tojews as temple mount, and cleared it completely. thousands of worshippers were inside. an israeli police spokesperson said the troops prevented some palestinian youths from barricading themselves inside. the palestinian red crescent says six people were injured as stun grenades and rubber bullets were used by israeli forces. live now to jerusalem with our correspondent lucy williamson. before we talk about the rest overnight for a second night, where are you and can you explain to our viewers the background behind you? i am here at the edge of the old city injerusalem, just at am here at the edge of the old city in jerusalem, just at the entrance to the al aqsa compound known as temple mount to jews to the al aqsa compound known as temple mount tojews and it was in here in the mosque inside that israeli police went in for a second
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night. they say they were going in to try to prevent people from barricading themselves inside a potentially trapping worshippers inside a mosque, people we have spoken to who were there in the last two nights say they were barricading the door is to try and stop the israeli police from going in. the confrontation is there last night seems to have been a bit less intense than the night this is still very sensitive time. israeli police going into al—aqsa mosque is seen as a provocation by many palestinians, particularly at the moment during the holy muslim month of ramadan and because it is the jewish holiday month of ramadan and because it is thejewish holiday of passover as well, any deviation in behaviour around these holy sites is particularly sensitive about not as bad the second night but what about the rhetoric from all sides, has not been toned down at all? there had been toned down at all? there had been warnings after the first night
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both on the palestinian authority and also palestinian militant groups saying this kind of behaviour would provoke some kind of response, without consequences, it would cross red lines that the palestinian president's office. the un security council has received a request, a jordanian palestinian request to discuss the issue of israeli police going in and they are expected to hold an emergency closed—door meeting at some in the near future. there have been also rockets fired from gaza, both nights overnight, by militant groups in gaza into israel, no injuries reported, but there are many days yet to run when these holidays coincide and we have the christian festival of easter coming up christian festival of easter coming up as well, good friday and easter sunday here when many more people will be travelling to the old city. thank you.
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people have begun gathering in cities across france for another day of demonstrations, with reports that traffic has been disrupted at the main airport in paris. these are live pictures from rennes. people are gathering at the moment. not looking as busy as other days. trade unions and their allies are protesting against changes to the pension system and the french president's decision to introduce them by decree. some commentators have suggested that opposition to the reforms is weakening, after nearly three months of industrial action. hugely disruptive to people trying to send children to school, to get rubbish collected, to get metro systems going.
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but many sectors are still affected, with airlines forced to reduce flights today, and schools expected to have large numbers of teachers off work. our paris correspondent hugh schofield has more on what to expect today. demonstrations once again over the country and lots of different towns and cities. in addition, there are strikes and blockages outside sort of strategic economic sites like oil depots and so on. i need to say straightaway, though, that the level of involvement seems to be a bit less. for example, the the paris transport system, the metro and so on is running pretty much normally. the number of teachers on strike has gone down. so we'll need to see what the numbers are like this afternoon. but there is beginning to take hold a feeling, i think, that maybe this campaign, this movement has crested. the inevitability of the reform going through seems to becoming more and more apparent.
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and it may be that that's acting as a kind of disincentive for people to turn out. i mean, reallyjust weariness with this long, long campaign. it doesn't mean people are any less angry about the change, at least the majority of the people and the protesters. but it does maybe signify that they can see that they're losing this battle. international press often focus on the retirement age of 62 in france, lower than many european neighbours. let's cross to naomi choi smith, to tell us how the french pension system is different to other countries. it is. the french retirement age is 62 which make it an outlier in the rest of europe where the average retirement age is 65. you only have to look at germany and italy where you have to be 67 to access your state pension. in fact here in the uk you can access your state pension
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at the age of 66 but there were government plans to raise that to 68. those plans are off the table for now and that is largely because of life expectancy in the uk decreasing but there still could happen in years to come. which other countries have the highest retirement ages? we have iceland and norway where you have to be 67 to access your pension pot. on the other end of the scale here we have countries like turkey where you can beat 49 if you are a women and access your full retirement or 52 if you are a man. we have colombia and luxembourg and slovenia where you can retire at the age of 62 if you are a man, 57 if you are a woman. many of these countries with the retirement ages are having to rethink that as their populations age and strength. nowhere is that more true than china were currently they have one of the lowest retirement age is in
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the world at 60 and 55 for men and women respectively. there were talks to reducing at the 50 but because the chinese publishers ageing it is shrinking and are not a to pay into a pension pot, that is one of the countries including france where thatis countries including france where that is being reconsidered. the trade unions _ that is being reconsidered. the trade unions and prime minister have met today, the first meeting between both side since the government presented these controversial changes in january. presented these controversial changes injanuary. the meeting lasted an hour and unions emerged angry, coming from a protest. hello there. it may be hard to believe, but there's actually going to be a frost across many
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parts of the country overnight tonight. it follows all the cloud and rain that we've had over the past couple of days. yesterday's rain onlyjust clearing away from eastern parts of england. it's followed by some showers. but this ridge of high pressure will then tend to build, killing off the showers, giving us clearer skies and dropping those temperatures. these are the temperatures, though, as we head towards the early part of the evening. nothing to write home about at all. still some showers around, particularly across the eastern side of the uk. a lot of those will tend to fade away, but we'll keep some cloud pushing down some of those eastern coastal areas into east anglia. that will keep the temperatures here a little bit higher. but elsewhere, clear skies and light winds. so further west and particularly in northern ireland, we're going to have a slight frost. temperatures minus two or minus three, perhaps. chilly start then to friday, good friday, we will start sunny in most places we're likely to find as temperatures rise through the day, that will generate some cloud, particularly across some eastern parts of england with some cloud coming in off the north sea and could give one or two spots of rain in the far north east of england. and again, those temperatures typically around 11 to 13 degrees. so near normal really
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for this time of the year. heading into the weekend. and that high pressure is going to keep these weather fronts at bay for the time being. the second push is probably going to be more significant as we head towards easter monday. but for saturday, i think we'll start chilly. there will be some sunshine around, probably seeing more cloud developing through the day and probably more of a southerly breeze, particularly for western parts of the uk. but those temperatures aren't changing a great deal, could make 1a degrees in glasgow and a top number of 15 in london. heading into easter sunday. and we start to dry with a good deal of sunshine again. we'll see some cloud developing through the day and maybe some rain coming towards northern ireland by the end of the afternoon. it could be that sunday, easter sunday, is the warmest of the next few days, with temperatures around 15 to 17 degrees. for easter monday, that rain that we've got coming into northern ireland pushes its way eastwards. it may well hang on across east anglia and the south east of england
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for a while, but otherwise it's going to be followed by some sunshine but also some showers. a breezier day as well. and temperatures are likely to be a little bit lower.
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