he should take another look at that? i think_ he should take another look at that? i think the _ he should take another look at that? i think the department _ he should take another look at that? i think the department of— he should take another look at that? i think the department of defence is| i think the department of defence is already starting to take a look at distribution at the pentagon. i let him speak to that. i don't know the answer to your question, protocols for who is or who is not granted security clearances. there is already in place and remains in place a very diligent delivered effort to manage security clearances. sometimes we get knocked because it takes a little too long for peoples clearances to get approved because the process is so careful and delivered. to your question, i think we need to be careful right now. speculating or guessing what bb hindo who might be behind what looks like a potential leak here of classified information. were going to what are you saying there is a

question about whether this... like i am saying we don't know. you are getting to remedies, and i understand that. we are only a couple of days into this. we need to let the department ofjustice do theirjob, investigate this, see what they learn. again, that said, the department has already said that they are taking a look at distribution and looking at if there are changes they need to make, administratively, at the pentagon, since it appears that they have the locus of most of the documents. again, before we do that we need to look at what we have got a look at the justice department. look at what we have got a look at thejustice department. [30 look at what we have got a look at the justice department.— look at what we have got a look at the justice department. do you have a sense of the _ the justice department. do you have a sense of the number— the justice department. do you have a sense of the number of— the justice department. do you have a sense of the number of people - the justice department. do you have| a sense of the number of people who would _ a sense of the number of people who would have _ a sense of the number of people who would have had access to these documents? i would have had access to these documents?— would have had access to these documents? ., ., ., documents? i do not, refer to the defence department. _ documents? i do not, refer to the defence department. given - documents? i do not, refer to the defence department. given the i documents? i do not, refer to the .

defence department. given the sleek and previous — defence department. given the sleek and previous leaks, _ defence department. given the sleek and previous leaks, should _ defence department. given the sleek and previous leaks, should american| and previous leaks, should american people _ and previous leaks, should american people think that the administration is losing _ people think that the administration is losing the battle against whoever wants _ is losing the battle against whoever wants to _ is losing the battle against whoever wants to steal our secrets? foreign adversaries— wants to steal our secrets? foreign adversaries or hackers? | wants to steal our secrets? foreign adversaries or hackers?— adversaries or hackers? i think the american peeple — adversaries or hackers? i think the american people need _ adversaries or hackers? i think the american people need to - adversaries or hackers? i think the american people need to know, i adversaries or hackers? i think the | american people need to know, and deserve to know we are taking this seriously. the president has been briefed on this, he will stay briefed on this, he will stay briefed on this, he will stay briefed on this. the department of defence is looking into this and they are leading the efforts here to review whatever national security implications might come out of all this. the department ofjustice is leading a criminal investigation so we are taking this very seriously. there is no excuse for these kinds of documents to be in the public domain. they don't deserve to be in the public domain, they deserve to be protected, so we are going to get to the bottom of this. if there are actions that need to be taken, as we learn more about the extent of what happened, we will obviously take them. their other plans for

president biden to speak to president biden to speak to president zelensky over the leak or as the white house operating any kind of assurance to ukrainian officials about the safety of some officials about the safety of some of their most sensitive information was that us officials have been in touch with relevant allies and partners over the last couple of days at very high levels. i will leave it at that.— days at very high levels. i will leave it at that. you speak of not 'ust the leave it at that. you speak of not just the potential _ leave it at that. you speak of not just the potential leak _ leave it at that. you speak of not just the potential leak here, - leave it at that. you speak of not just the potential leak here, but | just the potential leak here, but what _ just the potential leak here, but what appears to be some doctoring of the information. is this something where _ the information. is this something where it_ the information. is this something where it is— the information. is this something where it is possible that there may have lieeh— where it is possible that there may have been a leak, but then a differehl_ have been a leak, but then a different actor came in, manipulated the information and posted it ohlihe? — the information and posted it online? what is the working theory in terms _ online? what is the working theory in terms of— online? what is the working theory in terms of the altering of this information. | in terms of the altering of this information.— in terms of the altering of this information. ., �* ~ ., information. i don't think we have arrived at working _ information. i don't think we have arrived at working theory. - information. i don't think we have arrived at working theory. it - arrived at working theory. it appears in some cases that the information posted online had been altered from what we think would be the original source. there isjust no way i can tell you with any granularity how that came to be. we

are diving into this as strenuously as we can to try to understand that. in keeping with your point, we urge all of you to be very careful about how you report on the story, since we know, at least in some cases, that information was doctored. tom that information was doctored. two . uestions, that information was doctored. two questions. first _ that information was doctored. two questions, first of all on china, you said — questions, first of all on china, you said that was a reaction that didhl— you said that was a reaction that didn't need to be made, some call it an overreaction. how confident are you that _ an overreaction. how confident are you that there won't be further overreaction leading to actual conflict — overreaction leading to actual conflict if... might make you are listening — conflict if... might make you are listening to _ conflict if... might make you are listening tojohn kirby, listening to john kirby, spokesperson listening tojohn kirby, spokesperson for the national security— spokesperson for the national security council. he was speaking about _ security council. he was speaking about president biden being briefed on those _ about president biden being briefed on those leaked classified documents.— on those leaked classified documents. ., ., documents. looking at the war in ukraine that _ documents. looking at the war in ukraine that came _ documents. looking at the war in ukraine that came out _ documents. looking at the war in ukraine that came out in - documents. looking at the war in ukraine that came out in the - documents. looking at the war in ukraine that came out in the last| ukraine that came out in the last week or so. he also spoke about president biden's upcoming itinerary

and trip to the united kingdom and ireland and what he plans on doing while he is here. he arrives tomorrow for that. he also spoke about the tensions around the taiwan strait. he said that we have maintained the lines of communication with china and we are trying to get the us secretary of state, antony blinken, back to china. those drills continue around taiwan. a little earlier we were talking about the french president, emmanuel macron, wrapping up his three—day state visit to china, by saying that europe had no interest in an acceleration of the crisis over taiwan, and should pursue a strategy independent of both washington and beijing. this has no doubt caused anger and outrage in the us and europe, and we were listening tojohn kirby there, responding to questions that journalists were putting around those remarks made by president macron. ian williams, thejournalist

we were just speaking to, was listening to those remarks. joining me from london live now are victor gao in washington, a former chinese diplomat and a former government adviser and now vice president of the think tank the center for china and globalization. and ian williams who is a journalist and author of the book �*fire of the dragon — china's new cold war�*.(guesti)(guest 2) ian, i would like to respond there, that we shouldn't just ian, i would like to respond there, that we shouldn'tjust be blindly following what the united states comes up with is a policy, or beijing. in some of the negative reaction to those remarks, both in europe and the united states? it was europe and the united states? it was interestinu. europe and the united states? it was interesting- he _ europe and the united states? it was interesting. he sort _ europe and the united states? it was interesting. he sort of _ europe and the united states? it was interesting. he sort of ducked - europe and the united states? it ms interesting. he sort of ducked the question a little bit, not really wanting to respond directly. i would say to the americans, it is very much, this is emmanuel macron being emmanuel macron, he likes the international stage. emmanuel macron, he likes the internationalstage. he emmanuel macron, he likes the international stage. he has a lot of problems at home right now. to me that this it did seem incredibly

retro, it was almost like those 18th or 17th century missions to china bearing gifts and requests for the emperor. it was also, as well, as if the last three or four years had never happened, as if we are still in an area that you could talk about reform in china and still keep a straight face, instead of having seen under xijinping the seen under xi jinping the repression, seen under xijinping the repression, the economic coercion, the billowing of neighbours and are cosying up to putin. it was as if none of that had happened and macron was harking back to a previous era. ijust was harking back to a previous era. i just want to bring was harking back to a previous era. ijust want to bring in was harking back to a previous era. i just want to bring in victor was harking back to a previous era. ijust want to bring in victor into the conversation. could you respond to what ian is saying there, that the way president macron approach this trip was almost as though the last three or four years did not actually take place, that he was speaking almost to a different time? absolutely not. president macron's

state _ absolutely not. president macron's state visit — absolutely not. president macron's state visit to china is a huge success _ state visit to china is a huge success it _ state visit to china is a huge success. it has generated huge benefits— success. it has generated huge benefits for the strip french people as well— benefits for the strip french people as well as _ benefits for the strip french people as well as the chinese people. the visitors _ as well as the chinese people. the visitors on — as well as the chinese people. the visitors on equal terms, both china and france — visitors on equal terms, both china and france respect each other and treat— and france respect each other and treat each— and france respect each other and treat each other as an equal. this is dual— treat each other as an equal. this is dual political realities rather than _ is dual political realities rather than fantasies, for example. if anyone — than fantasies, for example. if anyone does not want to treat china as an _ anyone does not want to treat china as an equal. — anyone does not want to treat china as an equal, he or she will do so at their— as an equal, he or she will do so at their own _ as an equal, he or she will do so at their own detriment.— as an equal, he or she will do so at their own detriment. there are many anal sts their own detriment. there are many analysts who — their own detriment. there are many analysts who are _ their own detriment. there are many analysts who are saying _ their own detriment. there are many analysts who are saying that - their own detriment. there are many analysts who are saying that the - analysts who are saying that the motive of president xi jinping is to drive a wedge between the united states and europe and in some ways may have succeeded, given president macron's remarks? ihla i may have succeeded, given president macron's remarks?— macron's remarks? no i don't think so, i think— macron's remarks? no i don't think so, i think china _ macron's remarks? no i don't think so, i think china always _ macron's remarks? no i don't think so, i think china always wants - macron's remarks? no i don't think so, i think china always wants to i so, i think china always wants to treat— so, i think china always wants to treat europe as well as france, as an equal. — treat europe as well as france, as an equal. on _ treat europe as well as france, as an equal, on equal terms, respecting their own _ an equal, on equal terms, respecting their own independence. this has nothing _ their own independence. this has nothing to— their own independence. this has nothing to do with the united states — nothing to do with the united states. even if the united states does _ states. even if the united states does not — states. even if the united states does not exist on this earth, china

will continue to give the president of france — will continue to give the president of france and europe the best respect — of france and europe the best respect and all the recognition that they deserve, don't get the two things— they deserve, don't get the two things wrong. they deserve, don't get the two things wrong-— they deserve, don't get the two things wrong. ian, i will bring you in. does victor _ things wrong. ian, i will bring you in. does victor have _ things wrong. ian, i will bring you in. does victor have a _ things wrong. ian, i will bring you in. does victor have a point - things wrong. ian, i will bring you | in. does victor have a point there, that regardless of the relationship with the united states reaching rock bottom at times, certainly in the last few months and years, that that has nothing to do with their relationship with president macron? i think it has everything to do with the relationship with europe, with macron. what we have been seeing is a gradual push back against chinese bullying, against chinese aggression, against the greater repression under xi jinping. aggression, against the greater repression under xijinping. i think what china is trying to do is drive a wedge between europe and america. it has become a prime purpose of chinese policy to try to rebuild relationships with europe, because

beijing is aware that, even in europe, which is better disposed towards beijing, they are rapidly losing patience with coercion, with bullying, in brussels, increasingly in berlin, certainly in eastern europe, in the baltic states, there is progressively pushed back against a chinese bullying, and a closer alignment with the united states. i think beijing sees emmanuel macron as a weak link in this. they see playing to his vanity, posturing, is the best way possible of dividing europe from the united states, and they will be, as victor no doubt is, very pleased with the outcome from that summit in beijing.— that summit in bei'ing. victor, certainlytheh that summit in beijing. victor, certainly the coverage - that summit in beijing. victor, certainly the coverage of - that summit in beijing. victor, certainly the coverage of mr i certainly the coverage of mr macron's visit, and then these remarks, has been negative, in the western press?— western press? regardless of whatever the _ western press? regardless of whatever the press _ western press? regardless of whatever the press coverage l western press? regardless of. whatever the press coverage of president macron's visit has been,

in china _ president macron's visit has been, in china we — president macron's visit has been, in china we have strong goodwill for the french— in china we have strong goodwill for the french people, for france as a country _ the french people, for france as a country you — the french people, for france as a country. you may know many of the first generation of leaders, including xijinping, first generation of leaders, including xi jinping, they studied and worked in france, and they brought— and worked in france, and they brought back to china a tremendous amount— brought back to china a tremendous amount of— brought back to china a tremendous amount of recognition of the french people. _ amount of recognition of the french people, their contributions and civilisation etc, and china french solidarity— civilisation etc, and china french solidarity of deep rooted. nobody should _ solidarity of deep rooted. nobody should really think about writing off such — should really think about writing off such strong bonds between the french _ off such strong bonds between the french and the chinese. i think president— french and the chinese. i think president macron's visit to china is a further— president macron's visit to china is a further indication that china and france _ a further indication that china and france want to treat each other on equal— france want to treat each other on equal terms, and i france want to treat each other on equalterms, and i hope france want to treat each other on equal terms, and i hope all of the countries — equal terms, and i hope all of the countries will do the same. we are in an era of — countries will do the same. we are in an era of great _ countries will do the same. we are in an era of great power _ countries will do the same. we are l in an era of great power competition and as far as the united states is concerned, when president macron says that we should not be

entangling ourselves in crises that are not ours, there are a number of american and european diplomats who are asking for clarification on this, because this isn't necessarily europe's policy? trio. this, because this isn't necessarily europe's policy?— europe's policy? no, i don't think so. i europe's policy? no, i don't think so- i would _ europe's policy? no, i don't think so. i would say— europe's policy? no, i don't think so. i would say that _ europe's policy? no, i don't think so. i would say that if _ europe's policy? no, i don't think so. i would say that if you - europe's policy? no, i don't think so. i would say that if you really l so. i would say that if you really expect — so. i would say that if you really expect a — so. i would say that if you really expect a big country like france will lose — expect a big country like france will lose its own sanity, its own mind, _ will lose its own sanity, its own mind, its — will lose its own sanity, its own mind, its own independence, and to follow— mind, its own independence, and to follow in _ mind, its own independence, and to follow in the — mind, its own independence, and to follow in the footsteps of any other country. _ follow in the footsteps of any other country, that will not be a good world — country, that will not be a good world. that would be a dangerous world _ world. that would be a dangerous world i_ world. that would be a dangerous world. i would say that we need to be realistic— world. i would say that we need to be realistic and pragmatic. we need to deal— be realistic and pragmatic. we need to deal with countries on equal terms. — to deal with countries on equal terms, ratherthan being to deal with countries on equal terms, rather than being dictated by any other— terms, rather than being dictated by any other country, as if there dictates _ any other country, as if there dictates our god's words. there is no god _ dictates our god's words. there is no god in— dictates our god's words. there is no god in the world. | dictates our god's words. there is no god in the world.— dictates our god's words. there is no god in the world. i am 'ust going to brina in no god in the world. i am 'ust going to bring in ian. * no god in the world. i am 'ust going to bring in ian. the _ no god in the world. i am just going to bring in ian. the question - no god in the world. i am just going to bring in ian. the question here, i to bring in ian. the question here, is, the united states says to europe, we stand with you as far as

ukraine is concerned. the question now is, does europe stand with the united states as far as china is concerned? i united states as far as china is concerned?— united states as far as china is concerned? ~ , ., ~' concerned? i think they do. i think they increasingly _ concerned? i think they do. i think they increasingly do. _ concerned? i think they do. i think they increasingly do. i _ concerned? i think they do. i think they increasingly do. i would - concerned? i think they do. i think they increasingly do. i would like l they increasingly do. i would like to interpret emmanuel macron's remarks as to be seen to be a player on the international stage, as a player with his own voice on the international stage. player with his own voice on the internationalstage. i player with his own voice on the international stage. i think that increasingly europe and america are speaking as one on china, and that is what rattles beijing. i think that, for economic reasons, for political reasons, they would like very much to see this separation. i think when emmanuel macron's remarks, particularly on taiwan, will be regarded as worrying, because it is inconceivable that the future of a vibrant democracy, a vibrant self governed democracy that

happens to be sitting off the coast of china, is in everybody�*s interests, especially if you are, if you do respect and believe in the freedom of liberal democracy. victor, as far as taiwan is concerned, we have seen these drills take place, these drills have now ended. is that a priority for china, taiwan's democracy, and the fact that taiwan, the leader did go to the united states and meet with the speaker of the house, and make their desires for their future very clear? you are raising a very important question — you are raising a very important question. allow me to be very brief and answering your question. it is not a _ and answering your question. it is not a real— and answering your question. it is not a real issue, it has been in existence _ not a real issue, it has been in existence since 1949, when the civil war did _ existence since 1949, when the civil war did not... the united states hettered — war did not... the united states bettered on the wrong horse in 1949,

generalissimo fled to taiwan after being _ generalissimo fled to taiwan after being defeated. in 1979 the only united _ being defeated. in 1979 the only united states made the right choice of abandoning taiwan, severing diplomatic recognition with taiwan, withdrawing all troops, us troops from _ withdrawing all troops, us troops from taiwan, and advocating the us and taiwan— from taiwan, and advocating the us and taiwan defence treaty. if the united _ and taiwan defence treaty. if the united states want to make the wrong bets now _ united states want to make the wrong bets now they will lose china. if the united states wants to have the rest of _ the united states wants to have the rest of the — the united states wants to have the rest of the world to lose china, it is a fantasy _ rest of the world to lose china, it is a fantasy. it will never be recognised. it is a generally accepted principle that there is only one — accepted principle that there is only one china, and taiwan as part of china, _ only one china, and taiwan as part of china, and— only one china, and taiwan as part of china, and the government of the people's _ of china, and the government of the people's republic of china is the sole legitimate representative of china _ sole legitimate representative of china l — sole legitimate representative of china. ., ., ;;:: , , sole legitimate representative of china. ., ., ,':ifi , , ., china. i have got 30 seconds, ian, if ou china. i have got 30 seconds, ian, if you can — china. i have got 30 seconds, ian, if you can have _ china. i have got 30 seconds, ian, if you can have your _ china. i have got 30 seconds, ian, if you can have your last _ china. i have got 30 seconds, ian, if you can have your last remark i china. i have got 30 seconds, ian, i if you can have your last remark to that? i if you can have your last remark to that? ., �* 4' if you can have your last remark to that? ., �* ~ ., , ..,,

that? i don't think that is the case at all. taiwan's _ that? i don't think that is the case at all. taiwan's history _ that? i don't think that is the case at all. taiwan's history did - that? i don't think that is the case at all. taiwan's history did not - at all. taiwan's history did not begin in 1949. taiwan has a very rich, independent culture history, self respect. the whole notion of the one china policy, i think, has been largely discredited and has become outmoded. the reason for that is largely because of china's own behaviour. i think we should respect taiwan for what it has become an for its own desire for self—determination. its own desire for self-determination. . ~ ., , self-determination. ian williams, victor gao, _ self-determination. ian williams, victor gao, thank _ self-determination. ian williams, victor gao, thank you _ self-determination. ian williams, victor gao, thank you for - self-determination. ian williams, victor gao, thank you forjoining i self-determination. ian williams, | victor gao, thank you forjoining us on the programme. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. after a life dedicated to treating liver patients, alison is now a cancer patient, but she is still determined to improve liver health in staffordshire. 90% of liver disease is preventable if you pick it up early enough. and that's why i feel it is so important to raise

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some of the papers are labelled top secret. joining me now is the author of the bellingcat article that broke the story on the origins of these leaks, aric toler... aric, thank you forjoining us on the programme. i want to get the background on your investigation and how you actually discovered these documents, and then with ported on them? i, documents, and then with ported on them? ~ ., ., , . ., ., them? i, like a whole bunch of other --eole, them? i, like a whole bunch of other people. started _ them? i, like a whole bunch of other people, started looking _ them? i, like a whole bunch of other people, started looking into - them? i, like a whole bunch of other people, started looking into these i people, started looking into these documents after the news broke. i found on the telegram channel and on a notable troll platform. i went back and i found them a notable troll platform. i went back and ifound them even predating that on discord, a popular platform usually used by gamers. you

that on discord, a popular platform usually used by gamers.— usually used by gamers. you found this link to — usually used by gamers. you found this link to discord, _ usually used by gamers. you found this link to discord, tell _ usually used by gamers. you found this link to discord, tell us - usually used by gamers. you found this link to discord, tell us what i this link to discord, tell us what you discovered there? i this link to discord, tell us what you discovered there?— this link to discord, tell us what you discovered there? i notice that the were you discovered there? i notice that they were in _ you discovered there? i notice that they were in total, _ you discovered there? i notice that they were in total, three _ you discovered there? i notice that they were in total, three discord i they were in total, three discord channels. they were originally shared all the way back to the end of last year and the beginning of this year, and this is very ridiculous to say out loud, but a channel that people called them shaker central. and it was a very small group ofjust a few dozen people, friends who met, and there is one guy in the channel and they would believe he is the original leaker of the documents. he posted them on there just to show to his buddies. he didn't have any ideological goal or geopolitical machinations, it was just trying to

show his buddies how cool he was. so he basicallyjust dumped these documents on this gaming site? yes. it's not documents on this gaming site? yes. it's not even — documents on this gaming site? yes. it's not even a _ documents on this gaming site? yes. it's not even a site, _ documents on this gaming site? yes. it's not even a site, it _ documents on this gaming site? yes. it's not even a site, it is _ documents on this gaming site? yes. it's not even a site, it is a _ documents on this gaming site? jazz it's not even a site, it is a small discord channel. discord is is mostly used by gamers. it is a small private channel for a few dozen people, and he was showing them to his friends. they were just sitting... the channel was deleted as soon as news came out about these leaks. a small number, about 100, one of the users of this very small private discord, posted on a larger discord, which is now all the documents you see, all the reports from the bbc and the washington times are from this. m from the bbc and the washington times are from this.— times are from this. m 'ust gotta keep there — times are from this. m 'ust gotta keep there for h times are from this. m 'ust gotta keep there for one _ times are from this. m just gotta keep there for one moment, - times are from this. m just gotta keep there for one moment, we | times are from this. m just gotta i keep there for one moment, we are going to allow our world news

audience to leave us now. you are watching bbc news, i am yalda hakim. aric, i am going to pick this up again. or it is not an easy thing to track. the bizarreness of the fact that these classified documents suddenly finding themselves on a chat room, effectively. and this isn't the first time this has happened. isn't the first time this has happened-— isn't the first time this has happened. isn't the first time this has ha ened. , ., happened. the first time of the scale for sure, _ happened. the first time of the scale for sure, but _ happened. the first time of the scale for sure, but there - happened. the first time of the scale for sure, but there have l happened. the first time of the - scale for sure, but there have been similar examples. famously, on the forum for video game about military equipment, someone wants posted documents on that forum. i think he got into an argument with somebody and was trying to prove that the plane had so many engines, and they posted classified documents to prove their point. i recall some classified were put onto for charm

around british trading agreements. it is not the first time that there was a very silly reason for a classified leak, but this is definitely the biggest of these. i definitely the biggest of these. i know we don't know the source of these, and you are saying earlier that certain people think they can point to a certain person, but we werejust hearing from point to a certain person, but we were just hearing from john kirby there, who was saying that we are still investigating this. are these just hackers, essentially?- just hackers, essentially? know. the are just hackers, essentially? know. they are not _ just hackers, essentially? know. they are not hackers. _ just hackers, essentially? know. they are not hackers. hacker- just hackers, essentially? know. - they are not hackers. hacker implies they had unauthorised access, may be from a forum or something. from what i understand, the person had access to the work, so i don't know who it is, i don't know who the original sources, i imagine that someone who is a military officer who works in an intel centre, or something. is a military officer who works in an intel centre, orsomething. it took photos of these documents are then put them on the mac to channel

4 is buddies. 50 then put them on the mac to channel 4 is buddies-— 4 is buddies. so undone in an old-fashioned _ 4 is buddies. so undone in an old-fashioned way _ 4 is buddies. so undone in an old-fashioned way of - 4 is buddies. so undone in an old-fashioned way of taking l 4 is buddies. so undone in an - old-fashioned way of taking photos old—fashioned way of taking photos on your phone and posting them which alone yes, when you look at the documents, they are not pdf documents, they are not pdf documents, it is them holding printouts, they are creased. london eye i assume he is taking them home, taking them of the photo of them and then sharing them. as you say, he must have spent a long time printing them off and taking photographs? maybe he already had them printed off for work, i don't know, i don't know what this guy's job is, maybe he had printed them out already and just sneak to them home. ijust just sneak to them home. i 'ust wonder, just sneak to them home. i 'ust wonder. john i just sneak to them home. i 'ust wonder, john kirby i just sneak to them home. i 'ust wonder, john kirby was i just sneak to them home. ijust wonder, john kirby was saying l wonder, john kirby was saying earlier, and he talked about the department of defence referring this to the department ofjustice. have

either departments contacted you? either departments contacted you ? the either departments contacted you? the fbi called me this morning. i the fbi called me this morning. i wondered how you managed to get your report? i wondered how you managed to get your reort? ., �* ~ ., .,, ., report? i don't know, i was at the zoo and l — report? i don't know, i was at the zoo and i got _ report? i don't know, i was at the zoo and i got a — report? i don't know, i was at the zoo and i got a call _ report? i don't know, i was at the zoo and i got a call from - report? i don't know, i was at the zoo and i got a call from them, i report? i don't know, i was at the l zoo and i got a call from them, that they wanted to chat to me. i will probably say no, or referring them to a lawyer. i'm honestly shocked they don't who this is already, it doesn't seem hard to figure out. you have been able to trace it back to discord and it is puzzling for you about why they haven't managed to figure out or trace it back. b51 figure out or trace it back. as i wrote in the — figure out or trace it back. as i wrote in the article _ figure out or trace it back. as i wrote in the article i _ figure out or trace it back. " i wrote in the article i published yesterday, the guy who supposedly, again this is according to people, when i talk to people the sources are a handful of people in the server, they say the administrator at the time was the guy doing the leak, i look how to do do their jobs, but it doesn't seem too terribly hard to figure out who this guy was quite.

the new super mario movie — has defied poor reviews to break several box office records, making it the most successful global opening of all time, for an animated film. the family film — hollywood's second version of the hit nintendo game — took $377 million, which is around £303 million, in its first five days on release. to discuss the film and the responses to it, i'm joined now from glasgow by the film critic siobhan synnot. thank you forjoining us here on the programme. just thank you for “oining us here on the programme.— thank you for “oining us here on the rrroramme. , ., ., programme. just your reaction to the film. i am programme. just your reaction to the film- i am a — programme. just your reaction to the film. i am a film _ programme. just your reaction to the film. i am a film critic, _ programme. just your reaction to the film. i am a film critic, i _ programme. just your reaction to the film. i am a film critic, i am - programme. just your reaction to the film. i am a film critic, i am used - film. i am a film critic, i am used to beinr film. i am a film critic, i am used to being ignored. _ film. i am a film critic, i am used to being ignored. to _ film. i am a film critic, i am used to being ignored. to me, - film. i am a film critic, i am used. to being ignored. to me, watching it, super mario bros as movies gave us chris pratt without the italian accident, and without anything that goes beyond the 2d adventures. it is

a clear mission he is on. much like the game, he is separated from his brother, he has to rescue a princess peach. it is fast—paced, entertaining enough, but it lacks much in the may of emotional substance. it works best as anna marge to the games themselves from 1981's donkey kong onwards. it gall 1981's donkey kong onwards. it you think that is _ 1981's donkey kong onwards. it you think that is what _ 1981's donkey kong onwards. it you think that is what it _ 1981's donkey kong onwards. it you think that is what it was, _ 1981's donkey kong onwards. it you think that is what it was, that - 1981's donkey kong onwards. it you think that is what it was, that has l think that is what it was, that has drawn an audience to it? it has done so well? it has done two broken multiple records? i so well? it has done two broken multiple records?— so well? it has done two broken multiple records? i think a lot of its a- eal multiple records? i think a lot of its appeal lies — multiple records? i think a lot of its appeal lies in _ multiple records? i think a lot of its appeal lies in fan _ multiple records? i think a lot of its appeal lies in fan service. - its appeal lies in fan service. there are rainbow roads and warp zones to keep the real fans, there are rainbow roads and warp zones to keep the realfans, the true fans, happy. bear in mind that 93% of kids play video games in this country. that is exactly the sort of target audience that super mario is aiming at. it has to be said as

well, that video games have changed a bit since the original super mario movie. that movie was from 1993, with bob hoskins and dennis hopper. bob hoskins described it as a nightmare. it was received both critically poorly and audience sis didn't come either. there has been a brand awareness for computer games, but also they are much more savvy about what their audiences are looking for. in the case of supermario it is the familiarity. it supermario it is the familiarity. it is the fandom around this. if you | is the fandom around this. if you look at gangbusters, _ is the fandom around this. if you look at gangbusters, one - is the fandom around this. if you look at gangbusters, one of- is the fandom around this. if you look at gangbusters, one of the l look at gangbusters, one of the advantages there is that there is almost a storytelling narrative already out there for the

film—makers to follow. video games have become much more advanced in terms of character, narrative, so it is notjust about colourful gay or point—scoring any more. irate is notjust about colourful gay or point-scoring any more.- is notjust about colourful gay or point-scoring any more. we will have to leave it there, _ point-scoring any more. we will have to leave it there, thank _ point-scoring any more. we will have to leave it there, thank you _ point-scoring any more. we will have to leave it there, thank you for - to leave it there, thank you for joining us here the programme. that is it from me and the team. i am on twitter. i am on twitter. stay with us on bbc news. ben thompson is next with the context.

hello, i'm ben thompson. you're watching the context on bbc news. on the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement — the uk prime minister calls for power sharing to return to northern ireland. a shooting in the us city of louisville leaves five dead — including the gunman. at least six people are taken to hospital. joe biden says he plans to run for president again in 2024 — but stops short of a formal announcement. the mother of two british—israeli sisters killed in an attack in the west bank has now also died. we begin in northern ireland —

which is marking 25 years since the signing of the good friday agreement.