michaeljordan, sells at auction, for a record, $2.2 million. hello and welcome to the programme. we start with breaking news: myanmar�*s military government has confirmed that it carried out an air strike on a village on tuesday. a spokesman said the target was an armed opposition group in the sagaing region, which has opposed the military government. at least 50 people died. let's speak to our south east asia correspondent, jonathan head. he has been looking at the situation. jonathan, tell us

what you know about what happened with this military strike? ~ ~' ., happened with this military strike? ~ ~ ., ., , ., , strike? we know what survivors have told us. — strike? we know what survivors have told us, my _ strike? we know what survivors have told us, my colleagues - have told us, my colleagues have told us, my colleagues have spoken to a few of them, there was a ceremony planned yesterday morning, early in the morning it started, a lot of people had gathered from nearby communities as well to mark the opening of what they call a local administration office. this is a act of defiance against the military happening all over myanmar where people are running their own services, schools and clinics they have their own defence force and administration office, it was going to coincide with new year's celebrations in this part of the world, it was a big festive occasion while families and a lot of children and families, a plane flew over at seven in the morning dropping a bomb which it's right on the community hall where all the community hall where all the community leaders were meeting, a lot of them were killed, a

helicopter gunship came in and straight to the village for another 20 minutes with a canon firing rockets as well, we saw fragments of rockets fired by these helicopter gunships. later in the afternoon when they were still collecting body parts all over the village, a dreadful scene, the planes came back and fight people trying to clean up the scene and save those injured. it was an awful day in the village altogether and the claim by the military the injuries were caused by stalled explosives is scarcely credible, not looking at the extent of the injuries and how far does the village they were, it's possible some explosives were stored there, we know one of the people filming the carnage afterwards talked about how much you need to be careful of possible minds left but it is very unlikely these stalled explosives would have caused the dreadful, dreadful casualties that we saw. 50 the dreadful, dreadful casualties that we saw. so this is an horrific _ casualties that we saw. so this

is an horrific crackdown - casualties that we saw. so this is an horrific crackdown on - is an horrific crackdown on this particular village where they are trying to have an independent administration running there, talk us through the situation in myanmar currently, the military government continuing to try and defy people's opposition? and defy people's 0pposition? they are trying to crush it, i just come back from myanmar, my visit was highly constrained banned from going to visits where there was conflict, even the places we could go it feels extremely insecure, a lot of very nervous checkpoints, people are very nervous in the tourist area we went to, the fighting has come very close and the economy is completely ruined. the military hoped to have some form of election this year they hoped would win them some recognition overseas. they are not able to hold that because they don't hold enough territory, it does seem as though they are targeting those areas in particular which have the symbols of defiance. have

seen them attacked schools in the past, teachers and head teachers singled out and murdered by military forces because they represent the greatest threat, the problem the military has in the eyes of the military has in the eyes of the miller tree —— bhumi is the coup has felt they have not been able to exert authority over the country and they are replying —— relying on airpower more than troops on the ground subject to ambush. we have seen other strikes that have caused mass civilian casualties, precision strikes in the past but it looks like it is making an example of these communities when they have information they are running themselves in trying to set up a parallel administration.— trying to set up a parallel administration. thank you for the latest _ administration. thank you for the latest on _ administration. thank you for the latest on the _ administration. thank you for the latest on the information | the latest on the information we will keep a close eye on as it develops. let's take you live to san francisco. this is elon musk — he's talking to james clayton, our tech correspondent. let's have a listen in.

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content and i'm asking you for one example. i say, content and i'm asking you for one example. isay, so content and i'm asking you for one example. i say, so you don't know what you are talking about because you can't give a single example of hateful content, not even once we get you claim the hateful content was high. that's false.- you claim the hateful content was high. that's false. what i claimed was, _ was high. that's false. what i claimed was, there _ was high. that's false. what i claimed was, there are - was high. that's false. what i claimed was, there are many| claimed was, there are many organisations that say that kind of information is on the rise, whether it has on my feed or not, look at the strategic dialogue strategic institute and the uk, they will say that. people will say all sorts of nonsense i am asking for a single example, you can't name one. i single example, you can't name one. ., �* ~ , , one. i don't think this is getting _ one. i don't think this is getting anywhere. - one. i don't think this is getting anywhere. you | one. i don't think this is i getting anywhere. you said one. i don't think this is - getting anywhere. you said you exnerienced — getting anywhere. you said you experienced more _ getting anywhere. you said you experienced more hateful - experienced more hateful content and couldn't name a single example. i content and couldn't name a single example.— single example. i haven't actually _ single example. i haven't actually looked _ single example. i haven't actually looked at - single example. i haven't actually looked at that. single example. i haven't l actually looked at that feed for a few weeks, but that is what i saw a few weeks ago, i can't give you an exact example. let's move on,

covid—i9 misinformation, you changed the covid—i9 misinformation rules. the bbc does not set the rules on twitter i'm asking you? what about the _ twitter i'm asking you? what about the bbc _ twitter i'm asking you? what| about the bbc misinformation about the bbc misinformation about covid—i9? i’m about the bbc misinformation about covid-19?_ about the bbc misinformation about covid-19? i'm asking you, ou about covid-19? i'm asking you, you changed _ about covid-19? i'm asking you, you changed the _ about covid-19? i'm asking you, you changed the covid-19 - you changed the covid—i9 misinformation labels are used to be a policy and then it disappeared. why do that? covid—i9 is no longer an issue. does the bbc hold itself at all responsible for misinformation regarding masking and side effects of vaccinations? and not reporting on that at all? and what about the fact the bbc was put under pressure by the british government to change editorial policy, are you aware

of that? , , ., editorial policy, are you aware ofthat? , , ., ., of that? this is not an interview _ of that? this is not an interview about - of that? this is not an interview about the i of that? this is not an i interview about the bbc. of that? this is not an - interview about the bbc. i see why you have done twitter spaces, i am why you have done twitter spaces, iam not why you have done twitter spaces, i am not a represented tubes of the bbc editorial policy. i tubes of the bbc editorial oli . ., tubes of the bbc editorial oli . . ., tubes of the bbc editorial oli . ., ., ., ~' tubes of the bbc editorial policy. i want to talk about the bbc- — policy. i want to talk about the sac. you _ policy. i want to talk about the bbc. you weren't - policy. i want to talk about - the bbc. you weren't expecting that. narendra modi we did a documentary about narendra modi and his leadership and its rise in graduate. latte and his leadership and its rise in graduate-— and his leadership and its rise in graduate. and his leadership and its rise in uraduate. ~ , ., in graduate. we believe some of that content _ in graduate. we believe some of that content was _ in graduate. we believe some of that content was taken - in graduate. we believe some of that content was taken off - that content was taken off twitter, was that at the behest of the indian government? i’m of the indian government? i'm not aware _ of the indian government? i'm not aware of — of the indian government? i'm not aware of that _ of the indian government? in not aware of that particular situation. not aware of that particular situation-— not aware of that particular situation. ., ., ., , not aware of that particular situation. i situation. you are not sure? i don't know- _ situation. you are not sure? i don't know. i _ situation. you are not sure? i don't know. i don't _ situation. you are not sure? i don't know. i don't know- situation. you are not sure? i | don't know. i don't know what exactly happened with the content situation in india. the rules in india for what can appear on social media are quite strict. we can't go beyond the laws of the country.

do you get that if you do that you incentivise countries around the world to pass more draconian laws?— around the world to pass more draconian laws? no, if we have a choice of _ draconian laws? no, if we have a choice of either _ draconian laws? no, if we have a choice of either people - draconian laws? no, if we have a choice of either people go - draconian laws? no, if we have a choice of either people go to | a choice of either people go to prison or comply with the laws we will comply with the laws, the same goes for the bbc. fiifi the same goes for the bbc. 0k, 0k. the same goes for the bbc. 0k, 0k- since _ the same goes for the bbc. 0k, 0k- since you — the same goes for the bbc. 0k, 0k. since you became - the same goes for the bbc. 0k, 0k. since you became ceo, there been another story in town. tiktok. i been another story in town. tiktok. ., been another story in town. tiktok. . ., ., tiktok. i am not ceo anymore. you are chief— tiktok. i am not ceo anymore. you are chief to _ tiktok. i am not ceo anymore. you are chief to it? _ tiktok. i am not ceo anymore. you are chief to it? my - tiktok. i am not ceo anymore. you are chief to it? my dog - you are chief to it? my dog flu is you are chief to it? my dog fluffy is cheap _ you are chief to it? my dog fluffy is cheap to _ you are chief to it? my dog fluffy is cheap to it. - you are chief to it? my dog fluffy is cheap to it. tiktok| fluffy is cheap to it. tiktok has been _ fluffy is cheap to it. tiktok has been on _ fluffy is cheap to it. tiktok has been on the _ fluffy is cheap to it. tiktok has been on the news - fluffy is cheap to it. tiktok has been on the news talk| fluffy is cheap to it. tiktok i has been on the news talk of the biden administration wanting to ban it will say sale, what is your view of the situation? i sale, what is your view of the situation?— situation? i don't use tiktok. one of the — situation? i don't use tiktok. one of the reasons _ situation? i don't use tiktok. one of the reasons i -

situation? i don't use tiktok. i one of the reasons i emphasise our twitter is to maximise under greeted user minutes or time, as i hear many people tell me they spent a lot of time on tiktok but they regret the time spent and it seems like well, we don't want to have regretted time we want the time to be an regretted where you learn things, you entertained and amused. i get more likes out of twitter than anything else and many people tell me that is a good thing. for tiktok, tell me that is a good thing. fortiktok, itself, idon't know enough about what is going on there. i can't say i have a strong opinion on tiktok. you don't have — strong opinion on tiktok. you don't have an _ strong opinion on tiktok. you don't have an opinion on whether it should be banned or not? �* ., , whether it should be banned or not? �* . ., , not? i'm generally against bannin: not? i'm generally against banning things. _ not? i'm generally against banning things. so, - not? i'm generally against banning things. so, i-

not? i'm generally against - banning things. so, i probably not in favour of that, it would help twitter if tiktok was banned because then people would spend more time on twitter and less time on tiktok. even though that would help twitter, i would be generally against banning of things. generally against banning of thins. ., things. ok, do you feel sometimes _ things. ok, do you feel sometimes your- things. ok, do you feel sometimes your many| things. ok, do you feel- sometimes your many business interests might get in the way of you having an opinion. tesla has major connections in china, you wouldn't have a certain opinion on something or feel uncomfortable about saying anything because of your other business interests elsewhere? do i look uncomfortable. yes, tesla has got immunities around the world and so does spacex, once in a while those things do come into conflict. —— communities. it's not like

twitter operates in china, that doesn't, it was banned in china. i certainly perceive no communication from the chinese government in regard to twitter. in government in regard to twitter. , government in regard to ttwitter-— twitter. in terms of advertising, - twitter. in terms of advertising, twitter twitter. in terms of. advertising, twitter is twitter. in terms of- advertising, twitter is not a private company anymore so we don't know how it is going, have the advertisers come back? not all but most but you can see itself on twitter. in the following feed. in the hate speech, i'm told.— speech, i'm told. how is it uaoin, speech, i'm told. how is it going. as— speech, i'm told. how is it going, as twitter- speech, i'm told. how is it| going, as twitter profitable now? ., , ., now? no, twitter is we are rou~hl now? no, twitter is we are roughly breaking _ now? no, twitter is we are roughly breaking even - now? no, twitter is we are roughly breaking even at l now? no, twitter is we are l roughly breaking even at this point.

roughly breaking even at this oint. ., . roughly breaking even at this oint, ., ., roughly breaking even at this oint. ., ., , ., roughly breaking even at this oint, ., ., , ., point. you have said before you see a world we _ point. you have said before you see a world we you _ point. you have said before you see a world we you could - point. you have said before you see a world we you could be - see a world we you could be in profit as there a timeline on that? depending on how things 90, that? depending on how things go, if current trends continue we could be profitable, we could be positive this quarter if things keep going well. this quarter? as soon as that? as soon as that. which advertisers haven't come back? �* .,, which advertisers haven't come back? �* ., ., ., back? almost all of them have either come — back? almost all of them have either come or _ back? almost all of them have either come or said _ back? almost all of them have either come or said they - back? almost all of them havej either come or said they would come back, there are very few exceptions. come back, there are very few exceptions-— come back, there are very few exceptions. can you say any of the exceptions? _ exceptions. can you say any of the exceptions? i— exceptions. can you say any of the exceptions? i actually - the exceptions? i actually don't know _ the exceptions? i actually don't know of _ the exceptions? i actually don't know of anyone - the exceptions? i actuallyj don't know of anyone who the exceptions? i actually - don't know of anyone who has said definitively they are not coming back, they are all trending to not coming back. mr; trending to not coming back. my message to advertisers that haven't come back. if disney

feels comfortable _ haven't come back. if disney| feels comfortable advertising children's movies and apple feels comfortable advertising i—phones those are good indicators that twitter is a good place to advertise. i want to talk about if you have any regrets, and, you know, i think you were booed at a dave concert. by, know, i think you were booed at a dave concert.— know, i think you were booed at a dave concert.- a - a dave concert. a little. a little. well, _ a dave concert. a little. a little. well, some - a dave concert. a little. a little. well, some say - a dave concert. a little. a little. well, some say a l little. well, some say a little, some say a bit more. i think your own lawyer said you couldn't get a fair trial in san francisco because there are a lot of people that don't necessarily like you hear. yeah. but i have to say he was wrong, i guess, yeah. but i have to say he was wrong, iguess, because yeah. but i have to say he was wrong, i guess, because i was acquitted by the san francisco iury acquitted by the san francisco jury unanimously. so... but acquitted by the san francisco jury unanimously. so...- jury unanimously. so... buti cuess, jury unanimously. so... buti guess. do — jury unanimously. so... buti guess. do you _ jury unanimously. so... buti guess, do you have - jury unanimously. so... buti guess, do you have any - jury unanimously. so... but i i guess, do you have any regrets, buying twitter? i guess, do you have any regrets, buying twitter?— buying twitter? i think it was something — buying twitter? i think it was something that _ buying twitter? i think it was something that needed - buying twitter? i think it was something that needed to i buying twitter? i think it was something that needed to be done. i

something that needed to be done. ., , ., something that needed to be done. ., i. done. i mean, you said earlier... _ done. i mean, you said earlier... it _ done. i mean, you said earlier... it was - done. i mean, you said earlier... it was quite l earlier... it was quite difficult. _ earlier... it was quite difficult. i'd _ earlier... it was quite difficult. i'd say... . earlier... it was quite i difficult. i'd say... like, earlier... it was quite - difficult. i'd say... like, the pain level of twitter has been extremely high. it hasn't been some sort of party, so it's been really quite a stressful situation, you know, for the last several months. not an easy one. but apart from the pain — so it's been quite painful but i think at the end of the day it should have been done. were there many mistakes made along the way? of course. you know... but, you know, all is well that ends well. so i feel like we're headed to a good place. you know, we're roughly break even. i think we're trending towards being positive very soon, like literally in a matter of months. the advertisers are returning. the — i think the quality of recommended tweets has improved significantly and we have taken a lot of feedback

from people that have looked at the open source recommendation agl, and we have made a lot of improvements ———ing a go rhythm —— since open source and we're going to do —— keep doing that. i think the overall trend is very good. it i think the overall trend is very good-— i think the overall trend is ve aood. very good. it was something i was going _ very good. it was something i was going to _ very good. it was something i was going to ask— very good. it was something i was going to ask you, - very good. it was something i was going to ask you, you - was going to ask you, you mentioned the pain. i think you tweeted in february said, "the last three months have been extremely tough. i wouldn't wish that on anyone." are you talking emotionally?— wish that on anyone." are you talking emotionally?- i l talking emotionally? yeah. i wasn't- -- — talking emotionally? yeah. i wasn't... some _ talking emotionally? yeah. i wasn't... some people - talking emotionally? yeah. i i wasn't... some people around here... wasn't... some people around here--- it _ wasn't... some people around here... it is, _ wasn't... some people around here... it is, or— wasn't... some people around here... it is, or it— wasn't... some people around here... it is, or it can - wasn't... some people around here... it is, or it can be. - here... it is, or it can be. but here... it is, or it can be. ltut can — here... it is, or it can be. ltut can you _ here... it is, or it can be. but can you just - here... it is, or it can be. but can you just talk- here... it is, or it can be. but can you just talk me | but can you just talk me through the emotional strain of this? ., ., ., ~' through the emotional strain of this? ., �* , this? yeah. look, i've been under constant _ this? yeah. look, i've been under constant attack. - this? yeah. look, i've been under constant attack. it's i this? yeah. look, i've been i under constant attack. it's not like i have a stone, cold heart or something like that. you know, if you're under constant criticism and attack, and that gets fed to you nonstop,

including through twitter, that... it's rough, you know. at the end of the day i kind of think if you do lose your feedback loop, that's actually not good. so, you know — so i think it is actually important to get negative feedback. i don't turn replies off and i actually removed my entire block list. so i don't block anyone either. so, somebody can — so i get like... a lot of negative feedback. it's actually good to get negative feedback. ~ , ., ., ,, feedback. right. when you talk about the emotional _ feedback. right. when you talk about the emotional strain, - about the emotional strain, you've gone back to feedbacks that the thing that's been most —— most difficult to take, sort of the negative feedback? -- most difficult to take, sort of the negative feedback? yeah. if the media's _ of the negative feedback? yeah. if the media's writing _ of the negative feedback? yeah. if the media's writing nonstop i if the media's writing nonstop stories about why you're a horrible person, you know, it's

hurtful obviously. i’m hurtful obviously. i'm interested. _ hurtful obviously. i'm interested. tiff - hurtful obviously. i'ml interested. tiff written hurtful obviously. i'm interested. tiff written down a lot of these questions but i haven't written this one down. it's interesting, it feels like you have quite an interesting relationship with the media because in some ways you're quite sceptical, quite critical, of established media, but also you get hurt by what the media writes and you seem to... do you get your news still from the bbc as you already said? . i literally follow the bbc on twitter. right. do you feel you have a kind of odd relationship with the media?— kind of odd relationship with the media?- go - kind of odd relationship with the media? yes. go on. explain. no. it is somewhat _ the media? yes. go on. explain. no. it is somewhat of _ the media? yes. go on. explain. no. it is somewhat of a - no. it is somewhat of a love—hate relationship. although it might be more towards the hate. laughter but — you know, it's... you know, i think — this is sort of part and parcel of having a

free media situation, which is that, you know, i do take part in —— heart that the media is actually able to trash me on a regular basis in — you know, the united states and the uk and what not. whereas, you know, in a lot of other places media cannot say mean things to powerful people. ok. so i think it's better _ powerful people. ok. so i think it's better that we have a situation where the media can say mean things to powerful people. if say mean things to powerful --eole. �* . ~ say mean things to powerful --eole. �* ., ~' ., people. if we're talking about the media — people. if we're talking about the media u _ people. if we're talking about the media u let's _ people. if we're talking about the media u let's talk- people. if we're talking about the media u let's talk about l the media u let's talk about verification labels. you obviously want to create another revenue scheme that eels subscription—based. is verification the way to cothat? we have kind of a situation at the moment where the new york times doesn't have a verified badge, someone can pay a few bucks a month can.— badge, someone can pay a few bucks a month can.- is i bucks a month can. yeah. is that what — bucks a month can. yeah. is that what you _ bucks a month can. yeah. is that what you envisaged - bucks a month can. yeah. is i that what you envisaged when you bought twitter? i

that what you envisaged when you bought twitter?— you bought twitter? i must confess to _ you bought twitter? i must confess to some _ you bought twitter? i must confess to some delight i you bought twitter? i must confess to some delight in | confess to some delight in removing the verified badge from the new york times. that was... that was great. anyway, there's —— they're still alive and well, so they're doing fine. �* ., ., , and well, so they're doing fine. ., ., , ., fine. but on a serious note, it could flame — fine. but on a serious note, it could flame disinformation i could flame disinformation again if you have verified accounts that are from anyone who can pay money. they go off to potentially the topper feeds. they get more action on twitter and traditional media that may not pay for verification doesn't. do you see how that could potentially be a driver of misinformation? well, i mean, ithink the be a driver of misinformation? well, i mean, i think the media is a driver of misinformation much more than the media would like to admit that they are. that's a different question. yeah. but you asked it, sort of saying — like, saying who knows best, the average citizen or, you know, someone who is a journalist. and i think in a lot of cases it is the afternoon citizen that knows more than the journalist. in

fact, very often when i see an article about some — something that i know a lot about, and i read the article and it's like... they get a lot wrong and sort of the best interpretation is there is someone who doesn't really understand what is going on in the industry, has only a few facts to play with, has to come up facts to play with, has to come up with an article. it's gonna be — you know, it's not gonna hit the bull's eye. so then — like, this is how — if you read an article about something you know about, how accurate is that article? now, know about, how accurate is thatarticle? now, imagine know about, how accurate is that article? now, imagine that that article? now, imagine that thatis that article? now, imagine that that is how — essentially all articles are. they're an approximation of what's going on but not an exact situation. if somebody is actually let's say in the fray or like an expert in the field, and was actually there, and writes about their experience of being actually there, i think that

actually there, i think that actually — that's in a lot of cases gonna be better than the journalist because the journalist because the journalist wasn't there. i think you said the legacy verified blue ticks are gonna go next week.— verified blue ticks are gonna go next week.- yeah. l verified blue ticks are gonnaj go next week.- yeah. i verified blue ticks are gonna i go next week.- yeah. i see go next week. 4:20. yeah. i see the joke- — go next week. 4:20. yeah. i see the joke. number— go next week. 4:20. yeah. i see the joke. number that _ go next week. 4:20. yeah. i see the joke. number that will i the joke. number that will never leave _ the joke. number that will never leave me. _ the joke. number that will never leave me. clearly. l the joke. number that will i never leave me. clearly. cost ou a never leave me. clearly. cost you a lot _ never leave me. clearly. cost you a lot of— never leave me. clearly. cost you a lot of money. _ never leave me. clearly. cost you a lot of money. well, i you a lot of money. well, fortunately... _ you a lot of money. well, fortunately... it - you a lot of money. well, fortunately... it didn't i you a lot of money. well, fortunately... it didn't in | you a lot of money. well, i fortunately... it didn't in the trial. ~ , ., , trial. well, yeah, right but - as ou trial. well, yeah, right but - as you say. _ trial. well, yeah, right but - as you say, right. _ trial. well, yeah, right but - as you say, right. yes. i trial. well, yeah, right but -| as you say, right. yes. we're conna as you say, right. yes. we're gonna ask— as you say, right. yes. we're gonna ask for _ as you say, right. yes. we're gonna ask for a _ as you say, right. yes. we're gonna ask for a refund. i as you say, right. yes. we'rel gonna ask for a refund. yeah, 0k. gonna ask for a refund. yeah, 0k- good _ gonna ask for a refund. yeah, ok. good luck. _ ok. good luck. laughter let's move on from that. blue ticks in theory, all legacy blue ticks gone next week, and this is — at that point you're —— you'll kind of work out whether this is gonna sink or swim. . whether this is gonna sink or swim.- what's _ whether this is gonna sink or swim.- what's your i whether this is gonna sink or swim. yes. what's your hunch? whether this is gonna sink or swim.- what's your hunch? swim. yes. what's your hunch? i think it's gonna _ swim. yes. what's your hunch? i think it's gonna swim. _ swim. yes. what's your hunch? i think it's gonna swim. yeah. i think it's gonna swim. yeah. it'll think it's gonna swim. yeah. it'll swim — think it's gonna swim. yeah. it'll swim just _ think it's gonna swim. yeah. it'll swim just fine. - think it's gonna swim. yeah. it'll swim just fine. ok. i think it's gonna swim. yeah. | it'll swim just fine. ok. what it'll swim 'ust fine. ok. what are ou it'll swim just fine. ok. what are you looking _ it'll swim just fine. ok. what are you looking for— it'll swim just fine. ok. what are you looking for in - it'll swim just fine. ok. what are you looking for in terms. it'll swim just fine. ok. what l are you looking for in terms of are you looking for in terms of a revenue stream on that? what are your goals? i

a revenue stream on that? what are your goals?— are your goals? i don't know if it's necessarily _ are your goals? i don't know if it's necessarily a _ are your goals? i don't know if it's necessarily a giant - it's necessarily a giant revenue stream. you know, cos — if you have sort of a million people that are subscribed for let's say $100 a yearish, that's $100 million. and that's a fairly small revenue stream relative to advertising. but what we're really try dog here with verification is to mostly raise the cost of miss information and bots in general. so my prediction is that any social media company that any social media company that does not insist on paid verification will simply be overwhelmed by advanced ai bots. i mean, chatgpt is essentially — a lot of instances of chatgpt. is essentially - a lot of instances of chatgpt. is that what you _ instances of chatgpt. is that what you quantity _ instances of chatgpt. is that what you quantity on - instances of chatgpt. is that what you quantity on the i what you quantity on the platform? do you want big news organisations being overwhelmed by bots so they have to... tie. by bots so they have to... no. the point _ by bots so they have to... no. the point is — by bots so they have to... no. the point is you _ by bots so they have to... no. the point is you won't - by bots so they have to... no. the point is you won't be. if. the point is you won't be. if you the point is you won't be. if you pay, the point is you won't be. if you pay, but a lot of

organisations have already said they're not gonna pay like the new york times.— they're not gonna pay like the new york times. well, then, you know, new york times. well, then, you know. that's _ new york times. well, then, you know. that's up _ new york times. well, then, you know, that's up to _ new york times. well, then, you know, that's up to them - new york times. well, then, you know, that's up to them if - new york times. well, then, you know, that's up to them if they i know, that's up to them if they — you know, can't make them pat’- — you know, can't make them pay. it's a small amount of money so i don't know what their problem is. we're gonna treat everyone equally. what we're not gonna do is —— do is say there's some anointed class of journalists who are say there's some anointed class ofjournalists who are the special ones who get to tell everyone what they should think it should be up to the people what they think. even if an article is completely accurate and comprehensive and everything, if they're still in writing that article the media is choosing the narrative. they're deciding to —— what to write an article about. i'm hopeful that can be more a case of the public choosing the narrative as opposed to the media choosing the narrative. at least a combination of the media and public choosing the narrative. and the public getting to weigh in on stories

if they think they should add something to it or we got something to it or we got something wrong, and over time i think if twitter is the best source of truth it will succeed and if we are not the best source of truth we will fail. someone come unless and offers you $44 billion for twitter right now. would you take it? no. ~ ., , right now. would you take it? no. ~ ., . no. no. would you consider it? no. wh ? no. would you consider it? no. why? think _ no. would you consider it? no. why? think about _ no. would you consider it? no. why? think about it. _ no. would you consider it? no. why? think about it. it - no. would you consider it? no. | why? think about it. it depends who. i why? think about it. it depends who- i suppose _ why? think about it. it depends who. i suppose if— why? think about it. it depends who. i suppose if i _ why? think about it. it depends who. i suppose if i was - who. i suppose if i was confident that they would pursue — they would rigorously pursue — they would rigorously pursue the truth, then i guess i would be glad to hand it off to else. i don't care about the money really, but i do want to have some source of truth that i can count on and i hope that's our aspiration with twitter, is to have a source of truth that you can count on.

it's also real time. it's an immediate source of truth that you can count on and that gets more accurate with time as people comment on a particular thing. if people comment on a particular thin. , ., people comment on a particular thin. ,, .,�* people comment on a particular thin. .,�* ., thing. if you don't care about the money — thing. if you don't care about the money you _ thing. if you don't care about the money you could - thing. if you don't care about the money you could just i thing. if you don't care about| the money you could just give it to someone that you think is — you know, a good person to run twitter.. - you know, a good person to run twitter. ._ - you know, a good person to run twitter.. who do you think that might _ run twitter.. who do you think that might be? _ run twitter.. who do you think that might be? i'm _ run twitter.. who do you think that might be? i'm not- run twitter.. who do you think that might be? i'm not boss i run twitter.. who do you think that might be? i'm not boss of twitter. that might be? i'm not boss of twitter- 0k- — that might be? i'm not boss of twitter. ok. well, _ that might be? i'm not boss of twitter. ok. well, that's... - twitter. ok. well, that's... you might _ twitter. ok. well, that's... you might still— twitter. ok. well, that's... you might still have - twitter. ok. well, that's... you might still have an i twitter. ok. well, that's... | you might still have an idea. who could run twitter? yeah. honestly. _ who could run twitter? yeah. honestly. l — who could run twitter? yeah. honestly, i have _ who could run twitter? yeah. honestly, i have no _ who could run twitter? yeah. honestly, i have no idea i who could run twitter? yeah. honestly, i have no idea who | honestly, i have no idea who could run twitter.— could run twitter. yeah a it's a hard job- — could run twitter. yeah a it's a hard job. ok. _ could run twitter. yeah a it's a hard job. ok. let's - could run twitter. yeah a it's a hard job. ok. let's move i could run twitter. yeah a it's| a hard job. ok. let's move on a hard 'ob. ok. let's move on to - a hard job. ok. let's move on to - you've — a hard job. ok. let's move on to - you've said _ a hard job. ok. let's move on to - you've said that - a hard job. ok. let's move on to - you've said that you i a hard job. 0k. let's move on} to - you've said that you were to — you've said that you were going to stand down. i to - you've said that you were going to stand down. i already have. as chief _ going to stand down. i already have. as chief executive. - going to stand down. i already have. as chief executive. all l have. as chief executive. all ri . ht. have. as chief executive. all right- 0k- — have. as chief executive. all right- 0k- i— have. as chief executive. all right. ok. i can— have. as chief executive. all right. ok. i can tell- have. as chief executive. all right. ok. i can tell ya - have. as chief executive. all right. ok. i can tell ya i'm i right. ok. i can tell ya i'm not to ceo _ right. ok. i can tell ya i'm not to ceo of— right. ok. i can tell ya i'm not to ceo of twitter. - right. ok. i can tell ya i'm not to ceo of twitter. my| right. ok. i can tell ya i'm - not to ceo of twitter. my dog is the ceo of twitter. it's a great dog. is the ceo of twitter. it's a great dog-— is the ceo of twitter. it's a treat do. ., ., ., great dog. other than ta dog. he's very _ great dog. other than ta dog. he's very alert _ great dog. other than ta dog. he's very alert and _ great dog. other than ta dog. he's very alert and it's - great dog. other than ta dog. he's very alert and it's hard i he's very alert and it's hard to get anything by him. {lila to get anything by him. ok, that's good _ to get anything by him. ok, that's good to _ to get anything by him. ok, that's good to know. - to get anything by him. ok, that's good to know. other than

ta dog have you got any successors in line? he's got a black turtle — successors in line? he's got a black turtle neck. _ successors in line? he's got a black turtle neck. what - successors in line? he's got a black turtle neck. what else l successors in line? he's got a | black turtle neck. what else do you need? mil black turtle neck. what else do you need?— you need? all right. we're auoin you need? all right. we're going down _ you need? all right. we're going down that _ you need? all right. we're going down that route. - you need? all right. we're i going down that route. your dog... inaudible.” going down that route. your dog... inaudible.- going down that route. your dog... inaudible. iguess more elizabeth holmes. _ dog... inaudible. iguess more elizabeth holmes. ok. - dog... inaudible. iguess more elizabeth holmes. ok. i've - elizabeth holmes. ok. i've forgotten _ elizabeth holmes. ok. i've forgotten the _ elizabeth holmes. ok. i've forgotten the question - elizabeth holmes. ok. i'vel forgotten the question now. elizabeth holmes. ok. i've - forgotten the question now. has not a forgotten the question now. has got a husky _ forgotten the question now. has got a husky voice. what - forgotten the question now. has got a husky voice. what were i forgotten the question now. has| got a husky voice. what were we talkin: got a husky voice. what were we talking about _ got a husky voice. what were we talking about there? _ got a husky voice. what were we talking about there? i _ got a husky voice. what were we talking about there? i don't - talking about there? i don't know. talking about there? i don't know- who _ talking about there? i don't know. who would _ talking about there? i don't know. who would you - talking about there? i don'tl know. who would you want? talking about there? i don't - know. who would you want? have ou aot know. who would you want? have ou not a know. who would you want? have you got a successor— know. who would you want? have you got a successor in _ know. who would you want? have you got a successor in mind? - you got a successor in mind? not yet. hopefully at some appointment.— not yet. hopefully at some a- ointment. ., ,., appointment. right. -- at some oint. appointment. right. -- at some point- right- — appointment. right. -- at some point. right. cos— appointment. right. -- at some point. right. cos you _ appointment. right. -- at some point. right. cos you did - appointment. right. -- at some point. right. cos you did say - point. right. cos you did say you were gonna stand down. well, i did stand down. ok. let's move _ well, i did stand down. ok. let's move on _ well, i did stand down. ok. let's move on from - well, i did stand down. ok. let's move on from that. well, i did stand down. ok. let's move on from that then. what about this office? i'm intrigued about this office. why in intrigued about this office. wh i ., why in you said it was expensive. _ why in you said it was expensive. i'm - why in you said it was expensive. i'm not. why in you said it was l expensive. i'm not ceo. why in you said it was - expensive. i'm not ceo. yeah. why can't _ expensive. i'm not ceo. yeah. why can't we _ expensive. i'm not ceo. yeah. why can't we be _ expensive. i'm not ceo. yeah. why can't we be in _ expensive. i'm not ceo. yeah. why can't we be in an - expensive. i'm not ceo. yeah. why can't we be in an office i expensive. i'm not ceo. yeah. why can't we be in an office in| why can't we be in an office in a commune? i why can't we be in an office in a commune?— why can't we be in an office in a commune? i thinkjack dorsey kind of recommended _ a commune? i thinkjack dorsey kind of recommended that - a commune? i thinkjack dorsey kind of recommended that and i kind of recommended that and ignored it. kind of recommended that and ignored it— ignored it. yeah, it was kind ofthat ignored it. yeah, it was kind

of that actually. _ ignored it. yeah, it was kind of that actually. this - ignored it. yeah, it was kind of that actually. this office, | of that actually. this office, are ou of that actually. this office, are you thinking _ of that actually. this office, are you thinking the - of that actually. this office, are you thinking the about i are you thinking the about moving out of san francisco? not yet. moving out of san francisco? not et. ., , moving out of san francisco? not yet-- not- moving out of san francisco? not yet.- not yet. i moving out of san francisco? i not yet.- not yet. no, not yet. not yet? not yet. no, this place — not yet. not yet? not yet. no, this place is — not yet. not yet? not yet. no, this place is nice, _ not yet. not yet? not yet. no, this place is nice, and - not yet. not yet? not yet. no, this place is nice, and we... . this place is nice, and we... you know, i kind of like this office building actually. yeah. 0k. office building actually. yeah. ok. so office building actually. yeah. 0k- so you're _ office building actually. yeah. ok. so you're not _ office building actually. yeah. ok. so you're not - _ office building actually. yeah. ok. so you're not - cos - office building actually. yeah. ok. so you're not - cos i - office building actually. yeah. | ok. so you're not - cos i know ok. so you're not — cos i know you've talked about there's been lie helpfuls —— levels of crime here. been lie helpfuls -- levels of crime here.— been lie helpfuls -- levels of crime here. then we should do something _ crime here. then we should do something about _ crime here. then we should do something about the _ crime here. then we should do something about the crime. i something about the crime. right. something about the crime. richt. ., , ., something about the crime. riht. ., , , something about the crime. richt. ., , ,~ right. people are buy and d inc. right. people are buy and dying- we _ right. people are buy and dying. we should - right. people are buy and dying. we should taking i right. people are buy and - dying. we should taking action. you might have beenjoking but you could turn this into a homeless shelter.- i i you could turn this into a - homeless shelter.- i guess homeless shelter. yes. i guess the reason _ homeless shelter. yes. i guess the reason i'm _ homeless shelter. yes. i guess the reason i'm asking... - homeless shelter. yes. i guess the reason i'm asking... we i the reason i'm asking... we tried to turn _ the reason i'm asking... we tried to turn it _ the reason i'm asking... , tried to turn it into a homeless shelter and the owner rejected it. homeless shelter and the owner rejected it— rejected it. you die and tried? yeah, rejected it. you die and tried? yeah. they — rejected it. you die and tried? yeah, they rejected _ rejected it. you die and tried? yeah, they rejected it. - rejected it. you die and tried? yeah, they rejected it. which| yeah, they re'ected it. which bits? we-re — yeah, they rejected it. which bits? we're only _ yeah, they rejected it. which bits? we're only using - yeah, they rejected it. which bits? we're only using one i bits? we're only using one of the buildings _ bits? we're only using one of the buildings so _ bits? we're only using one of the buildings so the - bits? we're only using one of the buildings so the other. the buildings so the other could be a homeless shelter. and you've tried to... could be a homeless shelter. and you've tried to. . .- and you've tried to... yeah. and you've tried to... yeah. and we _ and you've tried to... yeah. and we have _ and you've tried to... yeah. and we have tried _ and you've tried to... yeah. and we have tried to - and you've tried to... yeah. and we have tried to do - and you've tried to... yeah. and we have tried to do it i and we have tried to do it right now. yeah.- and we have tried to do it i right now. yeah.- and and we have tried to do it - right now. yeah.- and you right now. yeah. yeah. and you were stopped — right now. yeah. yeah. and you were stopped by _ right now. yeah. yeah. and you were stopped by who? - right now. yeah. yeah. and you were stopped by who? the - were stopped by who? the buildin: were stopped by who? the building on _ were stopped by who? the building on the _ were stopped by who? ira: building on the other hand. they won't let you?- they won't let you? no. in

fact, they won't let you? no. in fact. they _ they won't let you? no. in fact, they wouldn't - they won't let you? no. in fact, they wouldn't let - they won't let you? no. in fact, they wouldn't let us i they won't let you? no. in - fact, they wouldn't let us take the w off the side. they were quite, you know, picky.- quite, you know, picky. what was the plan _ quite, you know, picky. what was the plan for _ quite, you know, picky. what was the plan for your - quite, you know, picky. what| was the plan for your shelter? i don't know. we could just let people stay there. it's nice. 0k. people stay there. it's nice. ok. i didn't know that. they can bring — ok. i didn't know that. they can bring their _ ok. i didn't know that. they can bring their stuff, - ok. i didn't know that. they can bring their stuff, bring i can bring their stuff, bring their tent or whatever. right. a lot of things hardcoded to one service ce stuff, bring can bring their stuff, bring their tent or whatever. right. and it's a _ and it's a _ their tent or whatever. right. and it's a roof— their tent or whatever. right. and it's a roof over _ their tent or whatever. right. and it's a roof over their - and it's a roof over their their tent or whatever. right. and it's a roof— their tent or whatever. right. and it's a roof over _ their tent or whatever. right. and it's a roof over their - and it's a roof over their head. yeah. if the building head. yeah. if the building owner us we'll do it. so if the owner us we'll do it. so if the building owner let you, you building owner let you, you would happily do that. yes. all would happily do that. yes. all ri . ht. ri . ht. would happily do that. yes. all right- there — would happily do that. yes. all right. there we _ would happily do that. yes. all right. there we go. _ would happily do that. yes. all right- there — would happily do that. yes. all right. there we _ would happily do that. yes. all right. there we go. _ what is the most difficult what is the most difficult thing you have had to do? in thing you have had to do? in thing you have had to do? in thing you have had to do? in your whole life? as twitter thing you have had to do? in thing you have had to do? in your whole life? as twitter boss? shutting down our service boss? shutting down our service i thought the service centres i thought the service centres were interconnected, there were were interconnected, there were a lot of things hardcoded to a lot of things hardcoded to

one service centre, it one service centre, it was quite catastrophic and we lost a lot of functionality we rushed to put it back. when was that? around _ rushed to put it back. when was that? around late _ rushed to put it back. when was that? around late december, i that? around late december, early january- _