hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. it has the potential — however small one may make that probability, but it is nontrivial — it has the potential of civilisational instruction. think about things carefully, but you can't stop them, right? there's no point in all of us sitting here, going, "0h, al's going to destroy the world!" well, it's happening, right? welcome back. ai — an opportunity, a threat, maybe both? but whatever the future is for this new technology we need a strategy. who sets the rules for al and who enforces it. we will discuss this tonight with our panel — jack blanchard, uk editor

of politico, and miles taylor, former chief of staff at the department of homeland security in the trump administration. speaking of which, more legal jeapordy for donald trump. his closest adviser and lawyer, boris epshteyn, was due to be interviewed today by the special counsel. nobody knows more than epshteyn. so what does that tell us? and two teenagers charged with murder over a mass shooting in alabama at a 16th birthday party. in north carolina, a six—year—old girl shot while recovering her basketball that rolled into a neighbours yard in north carolina. what is going on in the united states right now? so many young people being shot simply for being in the wrong place. we will get to all that. but we start tonight with dominic raab. westminster waiting all day for a verdict, but nothing yet. what we do know is that the prime minister has been handed a report into dominic raab�*s workplace conduct, but no news from number ten yet as to what he makes of it —

or what it means for dominic raab�*s career. remember he is notjust the former foreign secretary, he is the current secretary of state forjustice, and also the deputy prime minister. and what's more, he was a key supporter of rishi sunak during the leadership contest last year. so we will wait and see what mr sunak�*s judgment is. labour, on the other hand, have wasted no time in accusing the prime minister of dithering. whilst he dithers and delays, and summons up the courage to sack his deputy, the rest of the country is dealing with the cost—of—living crisis, which is worse than it has been in a generation. prices aren't keeping up with wages, people can't afford food and heating, and their housing. and the conservative party's in chaos, yet again, not dealing with the priorities of the people who elected them. let's discuss this with our panel — jack blanchard, uk editor of politico, and miles taylor, former chief of staff at the department of homeland security in the trump administration.

when the decisions that they have to make is to cut loose one of the closest allies for a perceived transgression or whether to show loyalty and their darkest hour in the really is a difficult political calculation that rishi sunak is wake up calculation that rishi sunak is wake up at the moment because this is a very subjective case. one persons bullying can be another persons strict form of leadership and we don't know the precise details of the various things that dominic raab is accused of by people who work for them. it is rishi sunak calls for them. it is rishi sunak calls for the document tonight, those of the kinds of things he's having to weigh up kinds of things he's having to weigh up and are reasonable as his behaviour and is this the sort of thing that is broken where dominic raabis thing that is broken where dominic raab is broken the atmosphere you'll code in celestica. and now he has to stick by the senior allies in the positions and the prime minister has

taken different decisions and it's a tough one for rishi sunak and it looks like a long night for dominic raab set it all now wondering what fate awaits them tomorrow. when someone�*s career is hanging by a thread, suppose it is right that you consider it sagely and in time. as we discussed in the last hour, within this report, the names of not been redacted and so, their civil servants have come forward and some of them did not come forward willingly. there only two formal complaints and beginning and now there are eight and he is still in post. so that makes things very difficult for them.— difficult for them. incredibly difficult for them. incredibly difficult for _ difficult for them. incredibly difficult for them. _ difficult for them. incredibly difficult for them. and - difficult for them. incredibly difficult for them. and the l difficult for them. incredibly - difficult for them. and the rumour is that everyone knows who they are within the department, dominic raab and the it gets very difficult to see how that can be a functioning workplace. that is a pretty tricky hr situation but nevertheless, the

prime minister's judgment is hr situation but nevertheless, the prime minister'sjudgment is dominic raabis prime minister'sjudgment is dominic raab is not the space of bentley that he should lose his job and clearly he should not. and it's hard to see a positive outcome from all of this and he wider about the culture in westminster which ever way this goes, things are changing the idea that senior cabinet ministers will get of the court for this and for the officials, it's not something that happened back in the old days in the culture is changed and right before our eyes, i think. not always a panelist for the context and the department of homeland security and when you first came to prominence, you were a whistle—blower, effectively, you are looking up at the culture and environment was like within the white house in donald trump. how difficult is it here in the department and people know you're the one bringing things to light?

when you were in a situation like that _ when you were in a situation like that of— when you were in a situation like that. of course the biggest concern is potential retaliation. in the united — is potential retaliation. in the united states, we have a variety of witness _ united states, we have a variety of witness protection laws that allow people _ witness protection laws that allow people to remain anonymous which i originally— people to remain anonymous which i originally was and whistle—blowers might— originally was and whistle—blowers might want anonymity for a few reasons — might want anonymity for a few reasons. sometimes want anonymity to protect— reasons. sometimes want anonymity to protect their _ reasons. sometimes want anonymity to protect theirjobs and protect their famities— protect theirjobs and protect their families and security and that is one of— families and security and that is one of the — families and security and that is one of the biggest concerns and trying _ one of the biggest concerns and trying to— one of the biggest concerns and trying to avoid retaliation, but sometimes whistle—blowers want sometimes whistle— blowers want anonymity sometimes whistle—blowers want anonymity so that the focus is on the message themselves and not on the message themselves and not on the messenger and that the attacks don't go _ the messenger and that the attacks don't go towards the messenger but that the _ don't go towards the messenger but that the substance gets taken seriously. i have to imagine in this case _ seriously. i have to imagine in this case the _ seriously. i have to imagine in this case the part of the delay has to deal with— case the part of the delay has to deal with trying to protect the anonymity of the individuals who have _ anonymity of the individuals who have raised concerns but also have noted _ have raised concerns but also have noted the — have raised concerns but also have noted the potential legal implications that this might not 'ust implications that this might not just be — implications that this might not just be political, there's the

possibility that some of these disclosures might involve legal perit— disclosures might involve legal peril that is something that has to be handled very delicately because this could — be handled very delicately because this could go beyond the court of public— this could go beyond the court of public opinion into the actual courts— public opinion into the actual courts and so, as we have seen in recent— courts and so, as we have seen in recent political history, major cases— recent political history, major cases of— recent political history, major cases of whistle—blowers have resulted — cases of whistle—blowers have resulted again and that retaliation against _ resulted again and that retaliation against the messenger and i assume that some _ against the messenger and i assume that some of the prime minister is trying _ that some of the prime minister is trying to— that some of the prime minister is trying to take very seriously. the come forward — trying to take very seriously. the come forward if _ trying to take very seriously. tie: come forward if you have confidence that the system will respond and react appropriately we've talked about previous instances involving the former home secretary priti patel there was a report into her carried out by sir alex island an independent adviser and he found that her behaviour did preach the civil service code and it was the definition of bullying in the prime minister sided with her in the former permanent secretary he went. if you have a system like that where

ministers and those in power or listen to more than those were making the complaint, and very quickly, people do not come forward. they don't have any confidence in the system, correct?— they don't have any confidence in the system, correct? yes, it's in a ve bad the system, correct? yes, it's in a very bad signal— the system, correct? yes, it's in a very bad signal for— the system, correct? yes, it's in a very bad signal for people - the system, correct? yes, it's in a very bad signal for people who - the system, correct? yes, it's in a i very bad signal for people who might otherwise _ very bad signal for people who might otherwise call out wrongdoing. but i compared _ otherwise call out wrongdoing. but i compared it to is an econ, we all iearned — compared it to is an econ, we all learned about supply and demand. when _ learned about supply and demand. when the — learned about supply and demand. when the presence of the can a marketplace is really high and in this case, — marketplace is really high and in this case, the price of dissent can be very— this case, the price of dissent can be very costly, this ways to lower it. be very costly, this ways to lower it the _ be very costly, this ways to lower it. the decrease demand we do not want _ it. the decrease demand we do not want to— it. the decrease demand we do not want to decrease demand for the truth _ want to decrease demand for the truth or— want to decrease demand for the truth or you increase the supply. more _ truth or you increase the supply. more people speaking out makes it easier— more people speaking out makes it easier to— more people speaking out makes it easier to speak out. of the people who do— easier to speak out. of the people who do would get punished, the price .oes who do would get punished, the price goes up _ who do would get punished, the price goes up and _ who do would get punished, the price goes up and it's costly and future whistle—blowers will not want to come _ whistle—blowers will not want to come forward. we've seen that in the us political— come forward. we've seen that in the us political system and that hangs in the _ us political system and that hangs in the balance here with this case but not _ in the balance here with this case but not want to come forward. we've seen that— but not want to come forward. we've seen that in— but not want to come forward. we've seen that in the us political system and that— seen that in the us political system and that hangs in the balance here

with this _ and that hangs in the balance here with this case but now depends on the prime minister is determination. that's_ the prime minister is determination. that's one _ the prime minister is determination. that's one of the things the prime minister is to contemplate, the repercussions. you hang onto that screen and you're doing a good job in north carolina. is it windy where you are? in north carolina. is it windy where ou are? :, , :, . ., you are? that the winds of change ma be you are? that the winds of change may be blowing — you are? that the winds of change may be blowing on _ you are? that the winds of change may be blowing on downing - you are? that the winds of change j may be blowing on downing street you are? that the winds of change - may be blowing on downing street and they certainly are north carolina. let's _ they certainly are north carolina. let's talk— they certainly are north carolina. let's talk about technology. here are some question you might want to ponder — should we automate away all thejobs, including the fulfilling ones? should we allow ai machines to flood the internet with propaganda and fake news? should we develop non—human minds smarter than our own, machines that might one day outnumber us, or outsmart us? do we risk losing control? now you might think that sound like some futuristic script of a terminator movie. but last month, some of the most well—known figures who are involved in the development and training of artificial intelligence called for a moratorium until we better understand where we are going. this open letter was signed by thousands of entrepreneurs, academics, and scientists — including elon musk,

who wants training of intelligence halted for at least six months. we are going to dig deep into this tonight in the company of two people who know a thing or two about it. joining me live now is the tech investor, evan burfield, the author of regulatory hacking: a playbook for startups — he's in texas. and professor gary marcus is in vancouver — he's the professor emeritus at new york university and author of rebooting ai. and mr with the professor. clearly, with such advances come the sets and guardrails. would you think should be in charge of that? i guardrails. would you think should be in charge of that?— be in charge of that? i think we need global— be in charge of that? i think we need global governance - be in charge of that? i think we need global governance for - be in charge of that? i think we need global governance for al. | be in charge of that? i think we | need global governance for al. i think we have a lot of patch works and there was case for a company perspective and the role perspective is if this 193 jurisdictions

perspective and the role perspective is if this i93jurisdictions in each deciding their own rules requiring their own training for these models in each run by governments that do not have much specific expertise in al. what i call for in the economist ai. what i call for in the economist editorial in the talk early this week is to have a global system modelled on something like the international atomic energy agency were deep where the world comes together and since we have a new threat here and it's really a new set of threats and we need to work together on this. the number one thing is that it should be global and the number two thing is that it just can't be policy, there has to be researched because we need to invent new tools, fighting spam and cyber warfare. the summative and threats as we mentioned around the information, cyber crime and so forth. we need to have a standing organisation that is global and well financed or traded build tools and mitigate those threats.— mitigate those threats. there are many peeple _ mitigate those threats. there are many peeple want _ mitigate those threats. there are many people want to _ mitigate those threats. there are many people want to press - mitigate those threats. there are many people want to press the i mitigate those threats. there are - many people want to press the pause button and to be worked out some of these things but i can already see and have heard, the reasons why that

probably is impossible and not everybody will stop at the people are worried about losing competitive advantages and so, how do we best go about this? i advantages and so, how do we best go about this? ~ :, , about this? i think that is exactly riuht. about this? i think that is exactly ri . ht. the about this? i think that is exactly right. the challenge _ about this? i think that is exactly right. the challenge of— about this? i think that is exactly right. the challenge of the - right. the challenge of the moratorium is incredibly hard to enforce — moratorium is incredibly hard to enforce the responsible actors would be more _ enforce the responsible actors would be more likely to follow irresponsible actors and not so much my concern— irresponsible actors and not so much my concern on the moratorium, there's— my concern on the moratorium, there's also _ my concern on the moratorium, there's also questions we need to be asking _ there's also questions we need to be asking about the governance of ai about— asking about the governance of ai about what industry can do and what government can do and i think the letter— government can do and i think the letter did — government can do and i think the letter did spark a conversation about— letter did spark a conversation about a — letter did spark a conversation about a new ai bill and rumours that they're _ about a new ai bill and rumours that they're working on a republican version — they're working on a republican version but i think what is more important — version but i think what is more important is to start to have the conversations about how we prepare our society, — conversations about how we prepare our society, our economy, our political— our society, our economy, our political system and democracy itseif _ political system and democracy itself for — political system and democracy itself for all of the implications

of al _ itself for all of the implications of ai that are coming one way or another— of ai that are coming one way or another and i suspect that we will see a _ another and i suspect that we will see a year— another and i suspect that we will see a year from now, it will be less impactfut— see a year from now, it will be less impactful than we thought, five years— impactful than we thought, five years from now, it will be an absolute _ years from now, it will be an absolute tsunami of upheaval. we have this — absolute tsunami of upheaval. we have this window right now will begin— have this window right now will begin at— have this window right now will begin at this conversation we can can get— begin at this conversation we can can get creative and we have to use it in a _ can get creative and we have to use it in a moratorium gives us this faise _ it in a moratorium gives us this false sense of security that we have control— false sense of security that we have control and — false sense of security that we have control and can stop it versus figuring — control and can stop it versus figuring out how we write this tsunami — figuring out how we write this tsunami and how we can direct into a much tletter— tsunami and how we can direct into a much better direction. did tsunami and how we can direct into a much better direction.— much better direction. did we learn an hinu much better direction. did we learn anything from _ much better direction. did we learn anything from the _ much better direction. did we learn anything from the last _ much better direction. did we learn| anything from the last technological advance, the advance of the internet, social media, their lessons from that that we did not do very well that are applicable here? i think the number one is not closing the barn door after the horses left. we are very late in figuring out what to do about social media we handle privacy in the wrong way. we wound up with so much

polarisation in the hostility that we wound up with misinformation and i think we waited too long to act i think the number one lesson is we should get on it right now. and it think of the panelists, the moratorium you could argue about the merits is whether it's the right thing at the wrong thing exactly the right thing to raise this and gale noted by his agenda, this is not something we want six months from now, this is something that we need now. me now, this is something that we need now. ~ :, ~' now, this is something that we need now. ~ :, ~ ., ., , ., now. me talk about a tsunami in five ears' now. me talk about a tsunami in five years' time. what — now. me talk about a tsunami in five years' time, what does _ now. me talk about a tsunami in five years' time, what does that - now. me talk about a tsunami in five years' time, what does that look - years' time, what does that look like? �* , , :, like? i'm here i spent the whole day meetin: like? i'm here i spent the whole day meeting with _ like? i'm here i spent the whole day meeting with startups _ like? i'm here i spent the whole day meeting with startups and _ like? i'm here i spent the whole day meeting with startups and there's i meeting with startups and there's not a _ meeting with startups and there's not a start— meeting with startups and there's not a start up right now that is not applying _ not a start up right now that is not applying these ai generative models to every— applying these ai generative models to every interest and problem. and there's— to every interest and problem. and there's all— to every interest and problem. and there's all the scary dystopian possibilities that you lead into this segment with but there also incredible advancement on how to make _ incredible advancement on how to

make work— incredible advancement on how to make work more fulfilling and impactful in order to provide tremendous personalisation based on our genetics and environments the particular— our genetics and environments the particular issues we are having. how we make _ particular issues we are having. how we make government more responsible in the _ we make government more responsible in the concierge to citizens. all of this is— in the concierge to citizens. all of this is being worked on in figuring out how— this is being worked on in figuring out how we — this is being worked on in figuring out how we put the guard rails and place around some of the scarier things. _ place around some of the scarier things. it's— place around some of the scarier things, it's notjust about regulating but it's about changing or social— regulating but it's about changing or social policy in our market poiicies _ or social policy in our market policies themselves so that we can mitigate _ policies themselves so that we can mitigate some of that and direct this into — mitigate some of that and direct this into the much more hopeful and optimistic direction.— optimistic direction. white on that oint is it optimistic direction. white on that point is it imaginable _ optimistic direction. white on that point is it imaginable in _ optimistic direction. white on that point is it imaginable in the - point is it imaginable in the current scenario in your around it, that the research lab would cross a critical line here without even noticing? critical line here without even noticin: ? �* critical line here without even noticinu? ,: , . �*, noticing? i'm sceptic. he's written some wonderful _ noticing? i'm sceptic. he's written some wonderful points _ noticing? i'm sceptic. he's written some wonderful points by - noticing? i'm sceptic. he's written some wonderful points by the - noticing? i'm sceptic. he's written some wonderful points by the fact j some wonderful points by the fact that we _ some wonderful points by the fact that we are very far, i believe from artificial— that we are very far, i believe from artificial general intelligence in terminator scenarios. i think what we need _ terminator scenarios. i think what we need to— terminator scenarios. i think what we need to be very aware of is that

this technology is already right now at his— this technology is already right now at his state and if it did not advance _ at his state and if it did not advance any further, for its application is going to profoundly change _ application is going to profoundly change how we live our lives, how we work, _ change how we live our lives, how we work. how _ change how we live our lives, how we work. how we — change how we live our lives, how we work, how we engage with each other and communities in our democracies function, _ and communities in our democracies function, the — and communities in our democracies function, the impacts in a democracy are going _ function, the impacts in a democracy are going to— function, the impacts in a democracy are going to be right in the 20 four sevenths— are going to be right in the 20 four sevenths cycle here, in the scenario of ai sevenths cycle here, in the scenario of al is— sevenths cycle here, in the scenario of al is like — sevenths cycle here, in the scenario of ai is like nuclear weapons, we have _ of ai is like nuclear weapons, we have demanded immediately, i think that much— have demanded immediately, i think that much less applicable to the much _ that much less applicable to the much more realistic changes that are already— much more realistic changes that are already happening around us right now that — already happening around us right now that are going to accelerate. mites. _ now that are going to accelerate. mites. you — now that are going to accelerate. miles, you just come back from washington night or during the policy makers about the specific issue of the reason why we are talking about tonight is because you tweeted no one has a clue. is it is plugged is that but no one understands it. practically no work being done on it? you understands it. practically no work being done on it?— understands it. practically no work being done on it? you are spot on. the three biggest _ being done on it? you are spot on. the three biggest challenges - being done on it? you are spot on. the three biggest challenges and l the three biggest challenges and policymakers are one, this was

completely foreseeable, there were some _ completely foreseeable, there were some of— completely foreseeable, there were some of us in washington talking about— some of us in washington talking about this — some of us in washington talking about this ten or 15 years ago, policy— about this ten or 15 years ago, policy makers on paying attention and most — policy makers on paying attention and most of the think tanks in washington really failed to start a conversation about the practical things— conversation about the practical things that needed to be done to prepare — things that needed to be done to prepare for the age of ai, so we are behind _ prepare for the age of ai, so we are behind the — prepare for the age of ai, so we are behind the ball for this and the second — behind the ball for this and the second thing i would emphasise is that there — second thing i would emphasise is that there is a way of coming and can do two— that there is a way of coming and can do two things one weight is coming, — can do two things one weight is coming, you can get crushed by it or you can ride — coming, you can get crushed by it or you can ride the wave and to use another— you can ride the wave and to use another analogy, you can ride the wave and to use anotheranalogy, right you can ride the wave and to use another analogy, right now the discussion in washington is about whether— discussion in washington is about whether to put the genie back in the bottle _ whether to put the genie back in the bottle or— whether to put the genie back in the bottle or not. that should not be the discussion. with three wishes shoutd _ the discussion. with three wishes should be — the discussion. with three wishes should be asked forjeannie. that is the discussion that we could be having to — the discussion that we could be having to handle ai needs for good purposes — having to handle ai needs for good purposes. and finally, policymakers are not— purposes. and finally, policymakers are not thinking two steps forward on the _ are not thinking two steps forward on the chessboard, it is alright now— on the chessboard, it is alright now but— on the chessboard, it is alright now but in— on the chessboard, it is alright now but in this ticket, ai is going to be _ now but in this ticket, ai is going to be supercharged by other technologies like quantum computing which are _ technologies like quantum computing which are going to give machines genuine — which are going to give machines genuine human like quantum computing which are _

genuine human like quantum computing which are going to give machines genuine — which are going to give machines genuine that? should be having that conversation now and that needs to be institutions now in washington that focuses on that. be be institutions now in washington that focuses on that.— that focuses on that. be vetted discussion _ that focuses on that. be vetted discussion about _ that focuses on that. be vetted discussion about that _ that focuses on that. be vetted discussion about that in - that focuses on that. be vetted discussion about that in this i discussion about that in this country, the uk government has decided it does not need a uk regulator for decided it does not need a uk regulatorfor ai. who is overseeing it? regulator for al. who is overseeing it? :, �* , regulator for al. who is overseeing it? :, �*, ., regulator for al. who is overseeing it? . a ., , regulator for al. who is overseeing it? , , ., it? that's a very good question. i was on the _ it? that's a very good question. i was on the stage _ it? that's a very good question. i was on the stage last _ it? that's a very good question. i was on the stage last of - 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it's different in the us or indeed many of the other— it's different in the us or indeed many of the other centres. i it's different in the us or indeed many of the other centres. the? many of the other centres. they clearly do _ many of the other centres. they clearly do not _ many of the other centres. they clearly do not understand - many of the other centres. tip;- clearly do not understand it many of the other centres.- clearly do not understand it and do they call you in to try to get you to explain to them push i was talking to people in the canadian government and i've been being called a lot lately and is the awareness that people do not know what to do and turning to all my academic colleagues and so forth. i think at least this recognition the people, the uk white paper saying that you want to have a central office of ai is silly for the reasons that were implicitly to set which is the government is going to be ill—equipped to deal with the speed of this and if you just leave it to 20 different regulatory agencies, each of which do not have expertise, you're asking for trouble, a lack of coordination and just not realistic that those agencies are going to be up on things. and in need some central oversight in the united states

should consider a cabinet ai officer or something comparable. we need some people. or something comparable. we need some maple-— or something comparable. we need some --eole. , ~ . , some people. maybe like a g7 meeting the forei . n some people. maybe like a g7 meeting the foreign ministers _ some people. maybe like a g7 meeting the foreign ministers in _ some people. maybe like a g7 meeting the foreign ministers in a _ the foreign ministers in a g7 meeting of ia and aia ministers as effectively what you're saying? fin effectively what you're saying? q�*i couege effectively what you're saying? q�*i college or something similar, an organisation or an international atomic and where you have a lot of experts, a lot of people in government and a lot of people in companies and yes, you have regular meetings and the new thing is the real example caught auto gpt review have ai training other ai, what we do about that in a bigger threat is that? pickedwas maximo thread? and they can say, let's do some experiments and try to figure out what they are. instead of 193 countries and maybe some of them ever at the news about the major news discovery and some of them aren't even aware and there's no coordination here. and ijust cannot

be the right way. coordination here. and i 'ust cannot be the right wall-h coordination here. and i 'ust cannot be the right wail-h be the right way. your nodding. as miles discussed, _ be the right way. your nodding. as miles discussed, it's _ be the right way. your nodding. as miles discussed, it's not _ be the right way. your nodding. as miles discussed, it's not human i miles discussed, it's not human competitive intelligence. it is what happens after ai gets smarter the human intelligence. i happens after ai gets smarter the human intelligence.— happens after ai gets smarter the human intelligence. i can't go to a conference — human intelligence. i can't go to a conference and _ human intelligence. i can't go to a conference and i _ human intelligence. i can't go to a conference and i live _ human intelligence. i can't go to a conference and i live here - human intelligence. i can't go to a conference and i live here and - human intelligence. i can't go to a conference and i live here and i i human intelligence. i can't go to al conference and i live here and i can io conference and i live here and i can go to— conference and i live here and i can go to a _ conference and i live here and i can go to a dinner conference or meeting without_ go to a dinner conference or meeting without the _ go to a dinner conference or meeting without the word being discussed and are talking _ without the word being discussed and are talking about this and gary is right, _ are talking about this and gary is right, it's — are talking about this and gary is right, it's not in an auto gpt. there — right, it's not in an auto gpt. there is_ right, it's not in an auto gpt. there is an _ right, it's not in an auto gpt. there is an experiment called chaos gpt where — there is an experiment called chaos gpt where they took it into order to figure _ gpt where they took it into order to figure out— gpt where they took it into order to figure out the most efficient way to destroy— figure out the most efficient way to destroy humanity. it was a test and it's set to _ destroy humanity. it was a test and it's set to work doing it. this stuft— it's set to work doing it. this stuff is — it's set to work doing it. this stuff is moving incredibly fast and figuring _ stuff is moving incredibly fast and figuring out how you can educate policymakers about how to mitigate, regulate _ policymakers about how to mitigate, regulate and bring transparency to some _ regulate and bring transparency to some of— regulate and bring transparency to some of those threats while not preventing what can be breathtaking advances _ preventing what can be breathtaking advancesin preventing what can be breathtaking advances in how we can live our lives _ advances in how we can live our lives and — advances in how we can live our lives and more purposeful ways.

either— lives and more purposeful ways. either that's trickier. but to his point _ either that's trickier. but to his point about white papers and the way government moves. i tend to agree. is government moves. i tend to agree. is more — government moves. i tend to agree. is more optimistic than i am but i think— is more optimistic than i am but i think a _ is more optimistic than i am but i think a lot — is more optimistic than i am but i think a lot of the big changes that are going — think a lot of the big changes that are going to be dabbing probably will not _ are going to be dabbing probably will not happen until there is some sort of— will not happen until there is some sort of promoting event, some sort of crisis. _ sort of promoting event, some sort of crisis. i— sort of promoting event, some sort of crisis, i don't think that prevents _ of crisis, i don't think that prevents us from starting to have the conversations. 0bviously washington tends to work, you would least washington tends to work, you would ieast want _ washington tends to work, you would least want of the policy container, the framework, the ideas ready in some _ the framework, the ideas ready in some sort— the framework, the ideas ready in some sort of consensus being built some sort of consensus being built so the _ some sort of consensus being built so the presents itself like a vc, when _ so the presents itself like a vc, when the — so the presents itself like a vc, when the opportunity presents itself, — when the opportunity presents itself, you are ready tojump on it and move — itself, you are ready tojump on it and move forward that has to be happening right now. the opportunity i see ritht happening right now. the opportunity i see right now— happening right now. the opportunity i see right now is _ happening right now. the opportunity i see right now is to _ happening right now. the opportunity i see right now is to build _ happening right now. the opportunity i see right now is to build that - i see right now is to build that governance. you have governments afraid and the technology is afraid the governments are going to shut them down as they did in italy and this means everyone has some incentive to go to the table and

thatis incentive to go to the table and that is rare and i think we should be seizing the opportunity right now to trade it is in the coherent that is dynamic enough to cope with the speed of the change to take advantage of the good things to avoid the bad things. but we need the coordination now we cannotjust leave this to the usual mechanisms. they are too slow. tline leave this to the usual mechanisms. they are too slow.— they are too slow. one of the most boring thing — they are too slow. one of the most boring thing she — they are too slow. one of the most boring thing she said _ they are too slow. one of the most boring thing she said is _ they are too slow. one of the most boring thing she said is -- - they are too slow. one of the most boring thing she said is -- one - they are too slow. one of the most boring thing she said is -- one the | boring thing she said is —— one the most worrying things you said and the thing is the russians were able to interfere with the democracy and who knows, arguably, it's been debated whether or not they're able to change some of the results through what they're putting onto the internet. we enter a whole new ball game for democracy if ai can put out misinformation and propaganda. it’s put out misinformation and prepaganda-_ put out misinformation and --troaanda. v ., h ., propaganda. it's not if, it's how much and _ propaganda. it's not if, it's how much and when. _ propaganda. it's not if, it's how much and when. 2024 - this coming election cycle in the united states, it is a big concern

for security. united states, it is a big concern for security-— united states, it is a big concern for security. and i have to go back to what the _ for security. and i have to go back to what the other _ for security. and i have to go back to what the other panelist - for security. and i have to go back to what the other panelist said - for security. and i have to go back to what the other panelist said in l to what the other panelist said in order— to what the other panelist said in order to — to what the other panelist said in order to respond to it effectively, we have — order to respond to it effectively, we have to — order to respond to it effectively, we have to start with education and i’ili'it we have to start with education and right now. — we have to start with education and right now, i've tried to brief policymakers on this and it's like explaining — policymakers on this and it's like explaining particle physics to a chocolate chip cookie. this does not recognition — chocolate chip cookie. this does not recognition about what is happening in vice _ recognition about what is happening in vice presidentjoe biden right now, _ in vice presidentjoe biden right now. i'ii— in vice presidentjoe biden right now, i'll put the entire cabinet on air force — now, i'll put the entire cabinet on air force one and i would fly them to silicon — air force one and i would fly them to silicon valley and i would educate _ to silicon valley and i would educate them about what is happening because _ educate them about what is happening because it's notjust the security implications for the election, there is also _ implications for the election, there is also really positive implications. the ability to address major— implications. the ability to address major health problems of hunger, homelessness and to do it in real time _ homelessness and to do it in real time and — homelessness and to do it in real time and we are missing some opportunities by policymakers not being _ opportunities by policymakers not being educated on the subject but of course, _ being educated on the subject but of course, security has to come first in order— course, security has to come first in order to — course, security has to come first in order to protect elections, we have _ in order to protect elections, we have policymakers becoming technologists and being educated. we have to technologists and being educated. , have to leave it there. thank you

very much indeed forjoining us and we are going to go through a short break and talk about donald trump, the other side and also about the tax in america over the last week. hello there. 0ur weather story for friday is a tale of two halves, the best of the weather once again through scotland and northern ireland, closest to this area of high pressure. these weather fronts will introduce some cloud and rain at times, be a bit of a nuisance, and that nagging easterly wind still making it feel rather raw on exposed east coasts. so first thing in the morning, the rain quite heavy across norfolk, lincolnshire, into the east midlands, gradually drifting towards wales. there'll also be some showery outbreaks of rain across essex and kent. but north of that, not a bad start. it will be a chilly start. a touch of frost not out of the question across the grampian, but at least in scotland and northern ireland, you will have some sunshine and it will continue like that for much of the day. that easterly breeze, though, always making it feel cooler on exposed east coasts. sheltered western areas seeing

the best of the sunshine and warmth. and as we go through the afternoon, we'll see a line of more persistent rain stretching across the south coast. sunny spells and scattered showers driven in by that strong easterly breeze coming in off the north sea. so10—12 degrees once again on exposed east coasts. further west, we could see 16 or 17 degrees. favoured spots once again, northern ireland and western scotland. here, the pollen will be high — it's tree pollen at this time of year. medium, perhaps, across much of central and eastern england. now, as we move into the early hours of saturday, we are likely to see this weather front producing some showery outbreaks of rain through scotland and northern ireland, and at the same time, we've got some showery outbreaks of rain into the south—west. sandwiched in between the two, drier and brighter, and once again, much of scotland will see some sunshine. but the temperatures really subdued by then, 11—14 degrees. and as we move out of sunday into monday, we'll start to see this colder northerly flow take over and you really will start to notice the difference right across the country. so on sunday, we'll see some showery outbreaks of rain just drifting away from the east.

drier behind it, but that northerly wind will make it feel quite chilly at times. so temperatures really falling away in scotland, 7—11 degrees by then. 1a degrees the maximum on sunday. and that's going to be the trend as we move into the week ahead. it will turn wetter and then much colder.

hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. a toxic blend of paranoia and gun violence, four shootings in five days that highlights the cancer in american society. the victims all young, shot simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. donald trump's senior adviser and legal counsel boris epshteyn is being interviewed today by the special counsel who is investigating both the former president's retention of classified documents and his role in the january 6 assault on the capitol. which one he is being questioned about, we don't really know. but the interview,

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