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live from london. this is bbc news. the uk's deputy prime minister resigns following an inquiry into bullying allegations. in an exclusive interview with the bbc�*s chris mason, he said... dominic raab insists he behaved appropriately but takes a swipe at the civil servants. what you've got, the risk here of a very small minority, very activist civil servants with a passive—aggressive culture of the civil service. who don't like some of the reforms whether it is brexit, whether it is parole form, whether it is human rights reform. effectively trying to block government. one of the headline story more leave the crisis hit cbi.
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welcome to bbc news in the next 60 minutes we'll have the very latest on that big breaking story here in the uk the resignation of the deputy prime minister. wherever it is that you're watching this is a story which touches on issues that everyone can understand from workplace bullying to difficult and domineering bosses... raab�*s first interview the reaction the key details of the inquiry the questions still swirling around rishi sunak. we'll also keep an eye internationally on the fighting in sudan as a second ceasefire collapses, and a third is being talked about. but let's start with that huge political story at westminster.
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because political story at westminster. the exclusive interv this because the exclusive interview done this afternoon dominic raab speaking exclusively to chris mason about the reasons behind his resignation. the now ex—deputy prime minister has some forthright views about the civil service. is this a stitch up? i would not describe that way i discuss —— resigned because if there's anything from this acquire me i am true to my word and politician should be. i do think it's it's a very dangerous precedent. if you look at the report, it dismissed all of the claims against me. it found i had never once in four and a half years my temper, sworn, shouted anything of that nature but it also highlighted may be two or three instances where i had been what they described as unintentionally abrasive. whether it was speaking very directly to a senior civil servant who had breached a mandate on a very important negotiation or the leg which i used was, getting basic information for budgetary
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meeting with hundreds of millions of pounds. if the bar, the threshold for bullying is lowered it is him is impossible for minister to deliver the bridge people. i think you'll have a chilling effect on effective government and the british people will pay the price. the government and the british people will pay the price.— will pay the price. the reports as ou will pay the price. the reports as you described — will pay the price. the reports as you described the _ will pay the price. the reports as you described the work - will pay the price. the reports as you described the work of - will pay the price. the reports as you described the work of civil i you described the work of civil service utterly uses and woeful and you extended your hand out to another person up to their face to sort of stop and talking and that you banged loudly on the table. do that behaviours like that are just not appropriate the workplace? in not appropriate the workplace? in fact, they did find that i described work as woeful but they actually dismissed the two other allegations that you just mentioned. i had not done any of those intimidating things. in relation to work for example, whether it was parole form which is what you're talking or the other bid i was picked up on which saying we have not got basic information in the budgetary meeting. i think if ministers cannot ask direct questions without shouting, swearing or using temper,
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if it did not probe or scrutinise, how do we deliver for the british people? how do we deliver for the british eo - le? , how do we deliver for the british --eole? , ., ,, how do we deliver for the british n-eole? , ., y., , ., ., people? use of your behaviour in certain instances _ people? use of your behaviour in certain instances has _ people? use of your behaviour in certain instances has not - people? use of your behaviour in certain instances has not been i certain instances has not been example? i certain instances has not been example?— certain instances has not been examle? , . ., , ., ~ , example? i sure i have made mistakes of last four and — example? i sure i have made mistakes of last four and half _ example? i sure i have made mistakes of last four and half years _ example? i sure i have made mistakes of last four and half years but - example? i sure i have made mistakes of last four and half years but the - of last four and half years but the question is if this amounted to bullying and i strongly believe if the threshold for bullying is so low that picking people up on bad work, straightening out in negotiation were breach of a cabinet mandate has been taken place, changing teams to get the very best of negotiations some glitter on victims parole, human rights reform. if you cannot do those things that ultimately it will be the public paying the price. when you read this report that a fair—minded person reading it, would conclude that you are a nightmare to work for. �* . . , ., ., ., work for. actually, almost all of the complaints _ work for. actually, almost all of the complaints against - work for. actually, almost all of the complaints against me - work for. actually, almost all of the complaints against me or. the complaints against me or dismiss. what this does not give you is a handful of very senior officials, none of the junior
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complaints were upheld. and i got on and dealt with hundreds of civil servants, thousands of other people in prison service in court service with what you have of the riskier for very small minority, of very activist civil servants with a passive—aggressive culture of the civil service who do not like some of the reforms whether it is brexit, whether it is parole form, human rights reform. effectively trained to block government. that is not democratic. to block government. that is not democratic— democratic. activist civil service that is an allegation _ democratic. activist civil service that is an allegation for- democratic. activist civil service that is an allegation for people | that is an allegation for people committed to being impartial. you are saying that there are people of extending the way of an elected government. extending the way of an elected government-— extending the way of an elected covernment. ., , ., ., _ ., government. i was told that by one cabinet secretary _ government. i was told that by one cabinet secretary and _ government. i was told that by one cabinet secretary and by _ government. i was told that by one cabinet secretary and by one - cabinet secretary and by one director of propriety ethics in the cabin office. director of propriety ethics in the cabin office-— director of propriety ethics in the cabin office. ., , , ., , cabin office. you witness that? did ou see cabin office. you witness that? did you see work _ cabin office. you witness that? did you see work that _ cabin office. you witness that? did you see work that you _ cabin office. you witness that? did you see work that you thought - cabin office. you witness that? did | you see work that you thought from civil service that you describe as activist? ., ., ., , activist? no. that was the disruotion _ activist? no. that was the disruption that _ activist? no. that was the disruption that i _ activist? no. that was the disruption that i gave. - activist? no. that was the disruption that i gave. i i activist? no. that was the l disruption that i gave. i said activist? no. that was the - disruption that i gave. i said that if you have got particularly activist civil servants who either
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because they are unionis? or don't agree but what we are to presume —— pursue we have seen that with brexit we have seen that with parole form, there's little bit of culture. if actually, they can block or changes through a rather passive aggressive approach, we cannot deliver for the bridge people and that is not the balance that should be struck between getting great advice for the thousands of fantastic civil servants we have but also allowing ministers to be responsible for the public for what we deliver. tiara public for what we deliver. two seniors civil— public for what we deliver. two seniors civil servants _ public for what we deliver. two seniors civil servants need a thicker skin?— seniors civil servants need a thicker skin? , thicker skin? the interesting thing is all of the _ thicker skin? the interesting thing is all of the completes _ thicker skin? the interesting thing is all of the completes were - thicker skin? the interesting thing | is all of the completes were upheld and you literally could, three or four, look at what was upheld. in the budgetary meeting it was objective that i do not have the basic information to make these decisions. at the risk of squandering millions of pounds of taxpayer money, on human rights reform, the specific what was that i had set the department was being obstructed. i don't think a lot of
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people would say whether i was right or wrong but that that is bullying. and even in the instance of the suggestion that i had said work was woeful which actually vigorously denied. but even in that scenario, it is not intentional. if it does not personalise. if actually it is right but there are some subjective hurt feelings by some, i am afraid that makes it very difficult to deliver. not what you would see in most walks of professional life. i do reflect in conclusion on all of us about your own behaviour about how you are perceived by some? you say sorry? if i how you are perceived by some? you sa sor ? ., , say sorry? ifi inadvertently, it was suggested _ say sorry? ifi inadvertently, it was suggested that _ say sorry? ifi inadvertently, it was suggested that had - say sorry? ifi inadvertently, it was suggested that had been l say sorry? if i inadvertently, it - was suggested that had been under unintentionally abrasive for some if someone had hurt feelings, of course i want an empowered team. the vast majority of the civil servants work for me who are brilliant and fantastic. and actually relish the energy and challenge in the drive that i believe i brought. of course i do not want to upset anyone and i made clear that i am sorry for that.
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but that is not bullying. we cannot deliver the bridge people if the bar is that low. == deliver the bridge people if the bar is that low. �* , , ., , . ., is that low. -- british people. what about your— is that low. -- british people. what about your future _ is that low. -- british people. what about your future in _ is that low. -- british people. what about your future in politics? - is that low. -- british people. what about your future in politics? allow| about your future in politics? allow me for the dust _ about your future in politics? allow me for the dust to _ about your future in politics? allow me for the dust to settle. - about your future in politics? allow me for the dust to settle. i'm - about your future in politics? allow me for the dust to settle. i'm very| me for the dust to settle. i'm very confident that the prime minster will wind the next election. i think he has done a fantasticjob and actually as a result of that in the stronger pain we have got here i think he is said to wind. iliiuiith stronger pain we have got here i think he is said to wind.- think he is said to wind. with us candidate? _ think he is said to wind. with us candidate? us _ think he is said to wind. with us candidate? us candidate. - think he is said to wind. with us candidate? us candidate. let's i think he is said to wind. with us i candidate? us candidate. let's let the dust settle _ candidate? us candidate. let's let the dust settle but _ candidate? us candidate. let's let the dust settle but i've _ candidate? us candidate. let's let the dust settle but i've been - the dust settle but i've been overwhelmed with support for my constituents, counsellors, and he's in above all a lot ministers now are very fearful that the direct challenge that they bring, fairly, squarely in government may leave them at risk of the same treatment that i have had.—
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david absolutely fascinating listening to that it begs the question listening to him why he resigned? question listening to him why he resiuned? . ., ., , question listening to him why he resiuned? . ,, ., , resigned? dominic raab, essentially has stuck to — resigned? dominic raab, essentially has stuck to his _ resigned? dominic raab, essentially has stuck to his pledge _ resigned? dominic raab, essentially has stuck to his pledge to _ resigned? dominic raab, essentially has stuck to his pledge to resign - resigned? dominic raab, essentially has stuck to his pledge to resign in l has stuck to his pledge to resign in this —— if this independent report upheld any complaints against them. to have been upheld. dominic raab they feels duty bound to step down and has done so but we have seen it in his resignation letter, and newspaperarticle, he in his resignation letter, and newspaper article, he has written today. and we have seen it in the first interview since resigning. he does not blame himself over much of this. hejust believes does not blame himself over much of this. he just believes that the report in the investigation into allegations of bullying set the bar for that definition of bullying too low. he has been found in breach and therefore he will stand down but he says, really, if that's what constitutes bullying than you are essentially going to paralyse government. his ministers will not be able to get the sort of reforms
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they want to see through. he also makes this quite explosive claim that there are activist civil servants. essentially operating in government who in his words are being passive—aggressive and tried to block the government making reforms. now civil servants are there to serve the government of the day. they are meant to be impartial in thejob day. they are meant to be impartial in the job that they do. this professionally was conducted of them. that suggestion that they are essentially, or some of them, a minority dominic raab says, are working as activist. it really is quite the accusation and we have been —— vigorously opposed. it is important to remember that dominic raab wanted this infestation to take place. it has found that he did act in an intimidating and aggressive way at points and therefore that in the view of this independent lawyer who undertook the report did constitute bullying. clear that
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dominic raab feels that that was not quite how he sees things. interesting to us that the end of the interview there, not quite pledging to run again to be a member of parliament and the seat he currently represents. so perhaps the long—term political future of dominic raab really up in the air now. , ., now. yes, david, worth underlining that that is — now. yes, david, worth underlining that that is dominic _ now. yes, david, worth underlining that that is dominic raab's - now. yes, david, worth underlining that that is dominic raab's view - now. yes, david, worth underlining that that is dominic raab's view of| that that is dominic raab's view of how this is actually played out in terms of his interpretation of this report. we look at the reaction there has been from the opposition, lead verse he does not get a car has no self—awareness at all and liberal democrats calling for him to actually resign as an mp in entirety. actually resign as an mp in entirety-— actually resign as an mp in entirety. actually resign as an mp in entire . ~ ,,., , , actually resign as an mp in entire . ~ , , ., entirety. absolutely. there is an absolute -- _ entirety. absolutely. there is an absolute -- a — entirety. absolutely. there is an absolute -- a moment - entirety. absolutely. there is an absolute -- a moment of- entirety. absolutely. there is an absolute -- a moment of we - entirety. absolutely. there is an i absolute -- a moment of we would absolute —— a moment of we would expect that from opposition parties to try and criticise this whole situation as much as they can. but we have heard from sir keir starmer, the leader of the opposition labour party today, he essentially accused
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dominic raab of whining about having to resign. and fundamentally this is dominic raab having to stick to a pledge that he himself made off of the back of an investigation that he himself wanted. but it appears that he is entirely unsatisfied where the bar was set for the idea of what constitutes bullying and therefore, though he has decided to step down, really not happy about the situation he finds himself in. not happy that his career as a government minister for now, at least, is over.— for now, at least, is over. david, thank you _ for now, at least, is over. david, thank you very — for now, at least, is over. david, thank you very much. _ for now, at least, is over. david, thank you very much. let - for now, at least, is over. david, thank you very much. let me - for now, at least, is over. david, l thank you very much. let me bring for now, at least, is over. david, - thank you very much. let me bring in the observer and communist and games. you were listening to dominic raab talk to chris mason and what he actually said. a quick headline thought for both of you? i thought it was a extraordinary _
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thought for both of you? i thought it was a extraordinary contour- it was a extraordinary contour observation that what he termed activist civil servants have been working against them, the implication that this must be part of some plots. if you actually look at the report, the independent report into what happened by item totally, a highly respected independent lawyer it says that civil service involved were sincere that they had no agenda and that some of them suffered health conferences from this bullying. so i think it is really low and below the belt that dominic raab to come back and sort of dropped all of these implications in an attempt to, i suspect to exonerate himself despite an independent report. finding that his behaviour was unacceptable on two occasions. his behaviour was unacceptable on two occasions-— two occasions. james what did you make of all— two occasions. james what did you make of all of— two occasions. james what did you make of all of this? _ two occasions. james what did you make of all of this? i _ two occasions. james what did you make of all of this? i cannot - two occasions. james what did you make of all of this? i cannot say i two occasions. james what did you make of all of this? i cannot say it | make of all of this? i cannot say it was a huge _ make of all of this? i cannot say it was a huge surprise. _ make of all of this? i cannot say it was a huge surprise. you - make of all of this? i cannot say it was a huge surprise. you read - make of all of this? i cannot say it l was a huge surprise. you read what he worked — was a huge surprise. you read what he worked in — was a huge surprise. you read what he worked in that thousand were telegraph article. you saw it in his
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resignation — telegraph article. you saw it in his resignation article. he's not dreading _ resignation article. he's not dreading his anger in the clear sense — dreading his anger in the clear sense of— dreading his anger in the clear sense of injustice here at the prime ministen _ sense of injustice here at the prime minister. he is made it very clear that he _ minister. he is made it very clear that he will— minister. he is made it very clear that he will support from the back benches — that he will support from the back benches. but rather at the civil servants — benches. but rather at the civil servants was to be clearly feels he is the _ servants was to be clearly feels he is the victim here of some kind of conspiracy i_ is the victim here of some kind of conspiracy. i think is worth pouring out that— conspiracy. i think is worth pouring out that of— conspiracy. i think is worth pouring out that of course, while the report is criticise _ out that of course, while the report is criticise dominic raab it also does _ is criticise dominic raab it also does highlight areas within the process— does highlight areas within the process and some of the ways complaints were handled. —— errors. in complaints were handled. —— errors. in talking _ complaints were handled. —— errors. in talking to — complaints were handled. —— errors. in talking to some of the supporters of his. _ in talking to some of the supporters of his, saying that he has lost his job, what— of his, saying that he has lost his job, what about the civil servants who perhaps were talking to the press _ who perhaps were talking to the press will — who perhaps were talking to the press will anything happen with them? — press will anything happen with them? and also making clear that there _ them? and also making clear that there could be a president that here and that— there could be a president that here and that concern is that others peter— and that concern is that others peter senior civil servants or ministers _ peter senior civil servants or ministers will actually be harmed by the rules— ministers will actually be harmed by the rules in— ministers will actually be harmed by the rules in this report. how dangerous— the rules in this report. how dangerous because - the rules in this report. how dangerous because of - the rules in this report. firm? dangerous because of dominic raab, have been using phrases like snowflakes civil servants. these are obsolete critical plays in the way
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that government actually works. —— absolutely. how dangerous are phrases like that are in what we have heard from non—mac himself in the interview? i have heard from non-mac himself in the interview?— the interview? i think it is really wor inc. the interview? i think it is really worrying- it _ the interview? i think it is really worrying. it has _ the interview? i think it is really worrying. it has parallels - the interview? i think it is really worrying. it has parallels to - worrying. it has parallels to activist lawyers which cabinet ministers as part of this government and borisjohnson's government have accusations have been levelled against lawyers who are simply doing theirjob in providing legal counsel or to people who have a right to it as part of our legal system. the independence of the civil service is really paramount. it would be one thing if there had been a report that had come out and said the civil servants had not acted in good faith, there were suggestions of a conspiracy, ulterior motives, the report has absolutely not said that and what this comes across as as dominic raab trying to undermine the independent civil service. undermining a critical institution to governance of this country. without any evidence and without any
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findings in the report to suggest it. in an attempt to exonerate himself. in it. in an attempt to exonerate himself. , ., ., , ., ., himself. in terms of what your final oint himself. in terms of what your final point moment _ himself. in terms of what your final point moment or _ himself. in terms of what your final point moment or two _ himself. in terms of what your final point moment or two ago, - himself. in terms of what your final point moment or two ago, we - himself. in terms of what your final| point moment or two ago, we heard dominic raab say he is worried that ministers will not be able to deliver from the british ministers will not be able to deliverfrom the british public. is he hiding behind that because you have countless cabinet ministers making tough decisions, driving departments, but not insulting or intimidating. that is a copout is it not? i intimidating. that is a copout is it not? ~ . . , intimidating. that is a copout is it not? ., , . not? i think clearly dominic raab feels a sense _ not? i think clearly dominic raab feels a sense of— not? i think clearly dominic raab feels a sense of being _ not? i think clearly dominic raab feels a sense of being shafted i not? i think clearly dominic raab feels a sense of being shafted byj feels a sense of being shafted by this _ feels a sense of being shafted by this so — feels a sense of being shafted by this so i — feels a sense of being shafted by this. so i think he has a sense of anger— this. so i think he has a sense of anger and — this. so i think he has a sense of anger and i— this. so i think he has a sense of angerand i think this. so i think he has a sense of anger and i think clearly the report does point — anger and i think clearly the report does point out it was by working but you can _ does point out it was by working but you can be _ does point out it was by working but you can be hard—working and passionate in government while doing so in a _ passionate in government while doing so in a way— passionate in government while doing so in a way that does not alienate and belittle the other people you're working _ and belittle the other people you're working with. so i think that is a point _ working with. so i think that is a point that— working with. so i think that is a point that needs to be stress. and ministers — point that needs to be stress. and ministers really need to find a way. ithink— ministers really need to find a way. i think there — ministers really need to find a way. i think there is perhaps a sense both— i think there is perhaps a sense both at— i think there is perhaps a sense both at westminister, there was a
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report— both at westminister, there was a report around from the cabinet centre — report around from the cabinet centre early, to civil servants with lessons _ centre early, to civil servants with lessons needed to be learned. i think— lessons needed to be learned. i think this — lessons needed to be learned. i think this is not always been handled _ think this is not always been handled perfectly. are looking ahead there needs to be lessons in terms of how— there needs to be lessons in terms of how ministers act with their officials — of how ministers act with their officials as well as what the officials _ officials as well as what the officials are doing is handling. i think— officials are doing is handling. i think that — officials are doing is handling. i think that the fact that not a lot of talks— think that the fact that not a lot of talks are coming out and criticising it means that there could — criticising it means that there could be _ criticising it means that there could be a riskier if it opens up the civil— could be a riskier if it opens up the civil servants to be a victim of some sort— the civil servants to be a victim of some sort of— the civil servants to be a victim of some sort of culture were and i think— some sort of culture were and i think there is a sense of grievance felt by some mps and i think in support— felt by some mps and i think in support of going for that is something that is addressed. what about rishi sunak _ something that is addressed. twat about rishi sunak and the something that is addressed. wisgt about rishi sunak and the questions levelled at him? of opponents think that he knew these allegations were around when he pointed dominic raab. he had similar types of bad behaviour from gavin williamson who had to leave cabinet. he talked about restoring integrity to government. we did not see this report published initially. there
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was no actual decision from rishi sunak. it allowed space for dominic raab to actually undermine the whole process. how do you think rishi sunak comes out of this? i think rishi sunak _ sunak comes out of this? i think rishi sunak really _ sunak comes out of this? i think rishi sunak really had _ sunak comes out of this? i think rishi sunak really had no - sunak comes out of this? i think| rishi sunak really had no choice. sunak comes out of this? i think i rishi sunak really had no choice. in theory— rishi sunak really had no choice. in theory he _ rishi sunak really had no choice. in theory he could have overruled adam tolley— theory he could have overruled adam tolley report but i don't think there — tolley report but i don't think there was ever an option both in terms _ there was ever an option both in terms of— there was ever an option both in terms of narrative but in terms of his determination to move away from the boris _ his determination to move away from the borisjohnson error. three years a-o the borisjohnson error. three years ago we _ the borisjohnson error. three years ago we saw— the borisjohnson error. three years ago we saw similar report into priti patel— ago we saw similar report into priti patel in_ ago we saw similar report into priti patel in the — ago we saw similar report into priti patel in the home office and clear that he _ patel in the home office and clear that he wanted to put a bouquet of blue water— that he wanted to put a bouquet of blue water away from this. you and to the — blue water away from this. you and to the point _ blue water away from this. you and to the point that _ blue water away from this. wi, and to the point that these things were swirling around. that is the accusation levelled at the prime minister. that he had wind of this, but still in a sense loyalty and paying it back i suppose for being a supporter in his campaign, somehow trumped knowledge of that. that is the accusation. flit trumped knowledge of that. that is the accusation.— the accusation. of course. i think he can viably _ the accusation. of course. i think he can viably say _ the accusation. of course. i think he can viably say that _ the accusation. of course. i think he can viably say that there - the accusation. of course. i think he can viably say that there was i the accusation. of course. i think| he can viably say that there was a question of— he can viably say that there was a question of due process here and
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yes, _ question of due process here and yes, dominic raab was brought back, but at _ yes, dominic raab was brought back, but at that— yes, dominic raab was brought back, but at that point there was an investigation and the investigation found _ investigation and the investigation found against them and therefore he has resigned. sol found against them and therefore he has resigned. so i think rishi sunak and i_ has resigned. so i think rishi sunak and i don't — has resigned. so i think rishi sunak and i don't think endorsements are necessarily— and i don't think endorsements are necessarily there is a sense of he is to— necessarily there is a sense of he is to blame — necessarily there is a sense of he is to blame for any of this. i think that actually the fact that he has been believed to get rid of the deputy— been believed to get rid of the deputy prime ministers shows that he cannot— deputy prime ministers shows that he cannot be _ deputy prime ministers shows that he cannot be accused of favouritism if he got _ cannot be accused of favouritism if he got rid — cannot be accused of favouritism if he got rid of nadhim zahawi but not dominic— he got rid of nadhim zahawi but not dominic raab. in he got rid of nadhim zahawi but not dominic raab.— he got rid of nadhim zahawi but not dominic raab. in terms of the wider issues in terms _ dominic raab. in terms of the wider issues in terms of _ dominic raab. in terms of the wider issues in terms of workplace - issues in terms of workplace bullying we have already had the union talking about one in six civil servants experiencing some sort of behaviour that makes them uncomfortable. they also make the point that an investigation like this can only be triggered by the prime minister granting it himself. is there case forjust prime minister granting it himself. is there case for just an prime minister granting it himself. is there case forjust an overhaul of how something like this is actually looked at in the first place? i actually looked at in the first lace? ~ , ., place? i think there is. i would 'ust place? ithink there is. iwould 'ust sa place? i think there is. i would just say that — place? i think there is. i would just say that i _ place? ithink there is. iwould just say that i actually - place? ithink there is. iwould| just say that i actually disagree place? i think there is. i would - just say that i actually disagree on implications and questions for rishi sunak. i think this is the third
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minister that has resigned from rishi sunak�*s cabinet in under a year when they were appointed like with gavin williams when he was appraised at the fact that there were serious questions about all three men's's conduct. —— gavin williamson. i think there are a serious question for the prime minister. but stepping back to the more general question. i think without a doubt we now know that there is real issues with cultures around bullying and harassment in westminister and in whitehall. we saw that for example with the bullying investigation, a massively damning, findings made againstjohn burke out the former speaker of commons. that took a very long time for that investigation to play out in fact it took years from the point at which journalist started reporting. so it is clearly an issue that runs across westminister and whitehall and that we just don't have the systems at the moment to
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ensure that it is dealt with. whitehall is not functioning in the way that you would expect a highly professional workplace to function. site clearly does need to be looked at and sorted. site clearly does need to be looked at and sorted-— at and sorted. briefly. when you hear dominic— at and sorted. briefly. when you hear dominic raab _ at and sorted. briefly. when you hear dominic raab downplay - at and sorted. briefly. when you | hear dominic raab downplay what at and sorted. briefly. when you - hear dominic raab downplay what has happened does that suggest to you that perhaps we will not get any sort of wider look at exactly what you just outline?— you 'ust outline? yes. i think that this you just outline? yes. i think that this is an attempt _ you just outline? yes. i think that this is an attempt to _ you just outline? yes. i think that this is an attempt to downplay i you just outline? yes. i think that| this is an attempt to downplay the impact that bullying can have in the workplace. very aggressive, unnecessarily aggressive, persistently conduct as has found to be the case in dominic raab. and i think it is easy, i suppose that some people mayjust hear about an incident or two, an instant of behaviour and think people need to toughen up. that is essentially dominic raab's argument. that is not exactly how buildings experience in the workplace it is a pattern of behaviour it is about intimidation,
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control, it instills fear can have masses how consequent to the people we have seen that with some of the allegations against dominic raab. we have also seen it in relation to the allegations against the former speaker for comments. allegations against the former speakerfor comments. i allegations against the former speaker for comments. i think allegations against the former speakerfor comments. i think it is concerning to see deeper minister and dominic raab play it seriousness.— and dominic raab play it seriousness. ~ ., ., ., seriousness. we have to leave it there. seriousness. we have to leave it there- thank _ seriousness. we have to leave it there. thank you _ seriousness. we have to leave it there. thank you so _ seriousness. we have to leave it there. thank you so much - seriousness. we have to leave it there. thank you so much for. seriousness. we have to leave it - there. thank you so much forjoining me life here on today's's programme. our reporter has actually been looking through that report and trying to pull out some of the key lines. have a listen. this is the report. 48 pages long and it covers a lot of ground. it was a lot more nuanced than many expected. i want to take you through some key examples. first of all, we have got the use of hand gestures, physical gestures. the report says, i heard a good deal of evidence about dominic raab's use of physical gestures and community should. at the most extreme, and which would have been
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unacceptable, this was put as directing, extending his hand directly towards another person's face with a view to make them stop talking. it also goes on to say another allegation was loud banging of the table to make a point. and furthermore it says that there was significant scope of misunderstanding in relation to the use of physical gesture in the report says, i was not convinced with the use of physical gestures was done in a threatening way, although those unused to the style of communication it might well have found it disconcerting. the second example i have is about his conduct with policy officials and he said he acted in a manner it was intimidating and since that was going further than necessary or appropriate in delivering critical feedback and insulting the sense of making unconstructive critical comments about the quality of work done. we could see further down here, it describes some of the work dominic raab as utterly useless and as woeful, his description of the
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work. the 30 simplest a lot further than singing. the report says his conduct also involved in abuse or misuse of power in a way that undermines or humiliates. and it says he went beyond what was reasonably necessary in order to give effect to his decisions and since his can talk was bound to be experience as undermining or humiliating he must have been aware of this effect or at least he ought to have been. some a key examples, you can find a lot more analysis on our website. straight back to westminister back to david wallace lockard who is still there for us. just a quick word about, obviously had a reshuffle tell us about the comings and goings.— comings and goings. obviously dominic raab _ comings and goings. obviously dominic raab did _ comings and goings. obviously dominic raab did two - comings and goings. obviously dominic raab did two jobs - comings and goings. obviously dominic raab did two jobs in l dominic raab did twojobs in government. he was notched deputy prime minister but also thejustice secretary. we have had two individuals put into those positions. the new deputy prime minister is oliver dowden a close ally of the prime ministers almost
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essentially did a right—hand and government role already for the prime minister. so quite a logical person to take over there. alex chalk is the newjustice secretary because of his held a number of ministerial positions and is someone who is quite close to rishi sunak so no great surprises there. we also have the signed secretary michelle donnellan who will shortly be going on maternity leave. she will be replaced by chloe smith who has previously sat in the cabinet when liz truss was prime minister, that short—lived prime minister ship. she will be replacing michelle donnellan when she goes on maternity live. close smith will be standing down the next election so it does not look like any sort of long—term ministerial ambitions there. nothing too surprising. ministerial ambitions there. nothing too surprising-— too surprising. thank you for taking ou too surprising. thank you for taking you through — too surprising. thank you for taking you through all _ too surprising. thank you for taking you through all of _ too surprising. thank you for taking you through all of that _ too surprising. thank you for taking you through all of that do _ too surprising. thank you for taking you through all of that do stay - you through all of that do stay with us. back in a moment or two with that cbi story that is really gathering, that long list of
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companies putting distance between them and cbi with all of those allegations swirling around. back with more on that and the rest of the stories here in a moment. hello. beautiful day across scotland and northern ireland quite warm as well. the coming days however a re however are going to be pretty chilly in the north, a cold wind will set and even some wintry showers to come across the sky michelle. may be from the pen nine. here's the forecast for the short term for some bricks of rain across parts of northern england and eventually reaching northern ireland by the early hours of saturday morning for stops and clearly spells overnight. in scotland and the south country. but does need a touch of frost especially outside of town. for most of us around five or 6 degrees tonight. that ring in the north, showers northern england that weather front reaching the southern uplands by lunchtime or so. certainly looking quite wet. but
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also showers clustered in the topless of the country. these areas will be pretty chilly 10—12 . the south—west, northern ireland on the south—west, northern ireland on the south of scotland but where the sun does pop up briefly, i think on saturday maybe 13—15 . talk about cold weather, there is that chilly atmosphere spreading in from the north on in easton, north—easterly set change from start to happen on sunday. in the north. frequent showers, strong winds up to gale force, increasingly falling as wintry across the hills. that and elsewhere it is a real mix back was that even a crack of thunder here and there. to purchase on sunday will struggle again in the north is “p will struggle again in the north is up 7—8 . i2 expected in liverpool in the south may be couple of degrees higher but winds will be strong everywhere so we really will start to feel that chill. sunday into monday, we will see even stronger winds and cold air spreading into parts of scotland will notice the wintry showers there across the hills, spreading for the southwards and relay chilly along that north
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seacoast. elsewhere, a mixture of sunny spells and showers. temperatures were really disappointing on monday for six in aberdeen, eight in birmingham, it may bejust about aberdeen, eight in birmingham, it may be just about double figures for cardiff and for london where showers are expected. that chilly atmosphere it spreads right across the uk and into the continent, scandinavia as well on tuesday. warmer weather will reach us but not until later next week. here is the outlook for the weekend. chilly, mixed back on the way. that chilly air at relatively come of the time of year is with us until wednesday that from thursday it should warm up. bye—bye.
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live from london, this is bbc news. the uk deputy prime minister resigns following an inquiry into bullying allegations. in his first interview, dominic raab speaks to chris mason, insisting he behaved appropriately and taking a swipe at the civil service. ~ ., , ., ., and taking a swipe at the civil service. ~ ., i. ., , ,~' service. what you have is the risk here of a small _ service. what you have is the risk here of a small minority - service. what you have is the risk here of a small minority of- service. what you have is the risk| here of a small minority of activist civil servants with a passive aggressive culture who don't like some of the reforms, i think it would trying to block government. survivals of this year's earthquake in syria says they feel abandoned as
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