good morning, a very warm welcome to the nation's phone in excellent first debate. i know you will want to be engaged in this one and this is about this poll that has come out for panorama, done by your gob, survey showing a big debate on how different generations view the royal family. how does the sport for the future? dashboard for the future? while 78% of over 65s are supportive of the monarchy, less than a third of 18—24 year olds feel the same. it is this a long slowjourney to

decline and demise? it's notjust age which skews our views. 40% of people from ethnic minority backgrounds want an elected head of state and half think the royals have a "problem with race and diversity". with less than two weeks until the coronation of king charles iii... the proclaimers have been removed from a coronation playlist because of their republican views. around half of all the adults surveyed think the royal family represent money well spent — but again, just a third of yonger adults do. is the monarchy for you? get in touch. text 85058.

call me on 08085 909693, or you can tweet us @bbc5live and here is the news. the foreign secretary james cleverly says the government is doing everything it can to help british citizens escape the violence in sudan. the country has seen more than a week of fighting, some british nationals who are still there say they feel abandoned. a bbc investigation has found more than £200 million of funding intended to help school children in england catch up after the covid lock downs has not been spent. the national tutoring programme subsidises extra sessions outside of school hours. the communications watchdog ofcom says millions of households are missing out on broadband deals which could cut their bills. it says providers are not being upfront with customers on benefits about special tariffs they can get. a new opinion poll for bbc panorama suggests less than a third of younger adults want the

monarchy to continue. the online poll of nearly a600 people was carried out by yougov earlier this month and suggest that while —. we have jane from panorama in one second to give us fascinating stats from this poll for panorama, done by yougov. is the monarchy for you? uneasy lies the head that wears the crown. slightly disconcerted lies the head that wears the crown today watching the results, looking closely at the results of this poll. are the times changing? a coronation

in a few weeks but what about the years to come? what about the decades to come? those that love and cherish the institution now our majority over 65 years old. what when they are, when i am, when any of us are no longer here? kate, willie, megson harry, the fab four are seen as a great hope for the continuity of the constitution and being more relevant to younger people and different age but they split up due to musical differences. through lack of harmony and prince andrew, the disgrace of prince andrew. does the institution transcend all these difficulties? and why would you jettison this incredible embodiment of tradition and the monarchy as well? and that winding journey through time? all the people with royal blood, prince charles, princess anne, danny dyer, maybe even you, the sceptred isle,

this quirk of birth, a focus for national identity says the royal website. a focus for national identity, unity and pride, gives a sense of stability and continuity. and of course there's the argument about soft power, this being, as far as the world sees us, britain at best, it is over to you. call or text. as the monarchy for you? we have some guests, from bangor, from southampton, excellent to hear their views, doctor craig prescott, an expert in institutional law. good morning to all of you and welcome to the nation's phone in. jane, the results of this poll, the stats within a really interesting and there are ethnic divides as well. give us a rundown. you

there are ethnic divides as well. give us a rundown.— there are ethnic divides as well. give us a rundown. you know, 'ust before the — give us a rundown. you know, 'ust before the coronation i give us a rundown. you know, 'ust before the coronation of�* give us a rundown. you know, 'ust before the coronation of king h before the coronation of king charles panorama wanted to test attitudes to the monarchy and the yougov poll we carried out of nearly a600 uk adults suggest overall 50% of the population want the monarchy to continue and just a quarter want an elected head of state instead. interestingly when yougov asked the same question injuly 2013, year after queen elizabeth's diamond jubilee, support was at an all—time high of 75% of british people then who said they monarchy should continue. since then it has been drifting downwards. in both pose young people were least likely to support the monarchy. in a recent poll carried out over a week ago less than a third of 18—2a —year—old said the monarchy should continue and that compared with two thirds in 2013, so it has halved. experts we spoke to said it will be a real uphill struggle or challenge for

charles to engage younger people in the monarchy, and that obviously has issues perhaps for the succession for prince william and so on down the line. i for prince william and so on down the line. , ,,.,, for prince william and so on down the line. , , .,, the line. i suppose as well, everything _ the line. i suppose as well, everything has _ the line. i suppose as well, everything has changed - the line. i suppose as well, | everything has changed now the line. i suppose as well, - everything has changed now that the queen has gone as well and i think it might be true to say, i don't know if you agree with me on this, people watching or listening, but she was much loved and respected by those who did not necessarily love the effects such as shouldn itself of the —— the institution itself of the monarchy... can be on the itself? that is a bit of a game changer, clearly? fie, itself? that is a bit of a game changer, clearly?— itself? that is a bit of a game chaneer, clearl ? �* , ., changer, clearly? a very deferential aee changer, clearly? a very deferential a . e went changer, clearly? a very deferential age went queen _ changer, clearly? a very deferential age went queen elizabeth _ changer, clearly? a very deferential age went queen elizabeth came - changer, clearly? a very deferential age went queen elizabeth came to l changer, clearly? a very deferential. age went queen elizabeth came to the throne, very different, and young people in particular want mnemonic to speak out. what is the point of having a platform, we were told, if you don't speak out. this is a very different attitude young people have

two older people. queen elizabeth did adapt the monarchy for her own time and experts we spoke to said the monarchy does always adapt and that king charles will adopt it as well. ., , ., that king charles will adopt it as well. . , ., . that king charles will adopt it as well. . . ., well. that is a good point. we are in changing _ well. that is a good point. we are in changing times _ well. that is a good point. we are in changing times in _ well. that is a good point. we are in changing times in an _ well. that is a good point. we are in changing times in an ever- well. that is a good point. we are in changing times in an ever lessl in changing times in an ever less respectful and deferential age. there are all sorts of examples of that throughout society because that what about southampton, what about banker? doctor craig, iwill what about southampton, what about banker? doctor craig, i will be witty. racheland banker? doctor craig, i will be witty. rachel and bango, welcome. what do you think about this poll and what the future holds? goad and what the future holds? good mornine. and what the future holds? good morning- i _ and what the future holds? good morning. i would _ and what the future holds? good morning. i would love _ and what the future holds? good morning. i would love to - and what the future holds? good morning. i would love to know with the poll. _ morning. i would love to know with the poll, what are the reasons why they don't— the poll, what are the reasons why they don't want the monarchy to continue? — they don't want the monarchy to continue? why? it is it because of the negativity in the press? is it because — the negativity in the press? is it because of— the negativity in the press? is it because of the tabloid gossip and things— because of the tabloid gossip and things like that? what is their actuai— things like that? what is their actual reason for it not to continue? it has been a massive

thing _ continue? it has been a massive thing for— continue? it has been a massive thing for fish uk, one of the most popular— thing for fish uk, one of the most popular things. the amount of revenue — popular things. the amount of revenue it— popular things. the amount of revenue it brings in, if you think of the _ revenue it brings in, if you think of the coronation, the thousands of people _ of the coronation, the thousands of people that will be there, the bars and restaurants, how great it will be for _ and restaurants, how great it will be for local— and restaurants, how great it will be for local businesses as well. i don't _ be for local businesses as well. i don't have — be for local businesses as well. i don't have any negativity towards the royal— don't have any negativity towards the royal family so it would be interesting to understand why the younger— interesting to understand why the younger people would like it not to continue _ younger people would like it not to continue. ~ ., ., ., ,., ., continue. well, good morning. good oints continue. well, good morning. good points there. — continue. well, good morning. good points there, interesting _ continue. well, good morning. good points there, interesting points - points there, interesting points there, how the world sees us, the p°mp there, how the world sees us, the pomp and pageantry on the collar and the tradition?— the tradition? absolutely. i think havin: a the tradition? absolutely. i think having a look— the tradition? absolutely. i think having a look at _ the tradition? absolutely. i think having a look at the _ the tradition? absolutely. i think having a look at the yougov - the tradition? absolutely. i think| having a look at the yougov poll, there _ having a look at the yougov poll, there is— having a look at the yougov poll, there is a — having a look at the yougov poll, there is a irit— having a look at the yougov poll, there is a bit more _ having a look at the yougov poll, there is a bit more nuanced - having a look at the yougov poll, there is a bit more nuanced to. there is a bit more nuanced to regarding _ there is a bit more nuanced to regarding political— there is a bit more nuanced to regarding political standing, l there is a bit more nuanced to. regarding political standing, and there is a bit more nuanced to- regarding political standing, and we find there _ regarding political standing, and we find there is— regarding political standing, and we find there is a— regarding political standing, and we find there is a much— regarding political standing, and we find there is a much higher- regarding political standing, and we find there is a much higher supportl find there is a much higher support within— find there is a much higher support

within the — find there is a much higher support within the conservatives, - find there is a much higher support within the conservatives, the - within the conservatives, the conservative _ within the conservatives, the conservative side _ within the conservatives, the conservative side of- within the conservatives, the conservative side of feelingsl conservative side of feelings compared _ conservative side of feelings compared with— conservative side of feelings compared with the - conservative side of feelings compared with the more - conservative side of feelings i compared with the more labour inclined — compared with the more labour inclined individuals— compared with the more labour inclined individuals and - compared with the more labour inclined individuals and i- compared with the more labourl inclined individuals and i wonder why there — inclined individuals and i wonder why there is _ inclined individuals and i wonder why there is and _ inclined individuals and i wonder why there is and i _ inclined individuals and i wonder why there is and i know- inclined individuals and i wonder why there is and i know from - why there is and i know from conversations— why there is and i know from conversations i— why there is and i know from conversations i have - why there is and i know from conversations i have had - why there is and i know from| conversations i have had with colleagues _ conversations i have had with colleagues that _ conversations i have had with colleagues that this, - conversations i have had with colleagues that this, i - conversations i have had with| colleagues that this, i studied politics— colleagues that this, i studied politics myself— colleagues that this, i studied politics myself at _ colleagues that this, i studied politics myself at thames - politics myself at thames university, _ politics myself at thames university, and _ politics myself at thames university, and the - politics myself at thames - university, and the statement of sort of— university, and the statement of sort of british _ university, and the statement of sort of british heritage _ university, and the statement of sort of british heritage and - university, and the statement of. sort of british heritage and culture that they— sort of british heritage and culture that they represented _ sort of british heritage and culture that they represented a _ sort of british heritage and culture that they represented a the - sort of british heritage and culture . that they represented a the monarchy seems _ that they represented a the monarchy seems to— that they represented a the monarchy seems to be _ that they represented a the monarchy seems to be very— that they represented a the monarchy seems to be very outmoded - that they represented a the monarchy seems to be very outmoded and - seems to be very outmoded and antiquated, _ seems to be very outmoded and antiquated, outdated _ seems to be very outmoded and antiquated, outdated to - seems to be very outmoded and antiquated, outdated to a - seems to be very outmoded and l antiquated, outdated to a degree, and it— antiquated, outdated to a degree, and it is— antiquated, outdated to a degree, and it is no— antiquated, outdated to a degree, and it is no longer— antiquated, outdated to a degree, and it is no longer representativel and it is no longer representative of modem — and it is no longer representative of modern british _ and it is no longer representative of modern british society. - and it is no longer representative of modern british society. we - and it is no longer representativej of modern british society. we are very sad — of modern british society. we are very sad to — of modern british society. we are very sad to have _ of modern british society. we are very sad to have lost _ of modern british society. we are very sad to have lost our- of modern british society. we are very sad to have lost our longestl very sad to have lost our longest ruiing _ very sad to have lost our longest ruiing british— very sad to have lost our longest ruling british monarch _ very sad to have lost our longest ruling british monarch with - very sad to have lost our longest ruling british monarch with the l ruling british monarch with the queen, — ruling british monarch with the queen, irut— ruling british monarch with the queen, but what _ ruling british monarch with the queen, but what i— ruling british monarch with the queen, but what i find - ruling british monarch with the queen, but what i find as - ruling british monarch with the - queen, but what i find as opposed to historically— queen, but what i find as opposed to historically where _ queen, but what i find as opposed to historically where the _ queen, but what i find as opposed to historically where the monarch - queen, but what i find as opposed to historically where the monarch or - historically where the monarch or the church— historically where the monarch or the church where _ historically where the monarch or the church where great _ historically where the monarch or. the church where great institutions within _ the church where great institutions within society _ the church where great institutions within society that _ the church where great institutions within society that provided - the church where great institutions within society that provided people a little _ within society that provided people a little entertainment— within society that provided people a little entertainment for— within society that provided people a little entertainment for the - a little entertainment for the massive _ a little entertainment for the massive is, _ a little entertainment for the massive is, the _ a little entertainment for the massive is, the monarchy. a little entertainment for thel massive is, the monarchy was a little entertainment for the - massive is, the monarchy was always

part of— massive is, the monarchy was always part of cult _ massive is, the monarchy was always part of cult to — massive is, the monarchy was always part of cult to a — massive is, the monarchy was always part of cult to a degree, _ massive is, the monarchy was always part of cult to a degree, and - massive is, the monarchy was always part of cult to a degree, and over- part of cult to a degree, and over time _ part of cult to a degree, and over time have — part of cult to a degree, and over time have alternative _ part of cult to a degree, and over time have alternative celebritiesl time have alternative celebrities and role — time have alternative celebrities and role models _ time have alternative celebrities and role models which - time have alternative celebrities and role models which people i time have alternative celebrities. and role models which people find are better— and role models which people find are better aligned _ and role models which people find are better aligned to _ and role models which people find are better aligned to their- and role models which people findl are better aligned to their personal values _ are better aligned to their personal values and — are better aligned to their personal values and experiences. _ are better aligned to their personal values and experiences. influencers, that is the word _ values and experiences. influencers, that is the word you _ values and experiences. influencers, that is the word you are _ values and experiences. influencers, that is the word you are looking - that is the word you are looking for. ., ~' that is the word you are looking for. ., ~ , , ., ., ., for. the moniker seems outdated and i think for. the moniker seems outdated and i think there — for. the moniker seems outdated and i think there needs _ for. the moniker seems outdated and i think there needs to _ for. the moniker seems outdated and i think there needs to be _ i think there needs to be modernisation— i think there needs to be modernisation if- i think there needs to be modernisation if it - i think there needs to be modernisation if it wants i think there needs to be i modernisation if it wants to continue _ modernisation if it wants to continue as— modernisation if it wants to continue as an _ modernisation if it wants to continue as an influential. continue as an influential institution _ continue as an influential institution that— continue as an influential institution that carries i continue as an influentiall institution that carries the continue as an influential- institution that carries the culture of britishness_ institution that carries the culture of britishness globally. _ institution that carries the culture of britishness globally.— of britishness globally. carolyn lancashire. — of britishness globally. carolyn lancashire, what _ of britishness globally. carolyn lancashire, what do _ of britishness globally. carolyn lancashire, what do you - of britishness globally. carolyn | lancashire, what do you think? of britishness globally. carolyn - lancashire, what do you think? times are changing? shejust lancashire, what do you think? times are changing? she just dropped lancashire, what do you think? times are changing? shejust dropped off. we will get back. do you want to come back, rachel?— we will get back. do you want to come back, rachel? hello. why might i wonder if come back, rachel? hello. why might i wonder if you — come back, rachel? hello. why might i wonder if you want _ come back, rachel? hello. why might i wonder if you want to _ come back, rachel? hello. why might i wonder if you want to come - come back, rachel? hello. why might i wonder if you want to come back - i wonder if you want to come back and comment on what you heard there, the british— and comment on what you heard there, the british are changing, what will bring _ the british are changing, what will bring young people sceptical about the monarchy round? do think as they -et

the monarchy round? do think as they get older— the monarchy round? do think as they get older attitudes will change? because — get older attitudes will change? because of attitudes do not change, the monarchy has a real problem? i definitely think attitudes will change, things always take time... things— change, things always take time... things are — change, things always take time... things are raw at the minute, things are changing, people don't tend to like change or don't understand. the queen— like change or don't understand. the queen was— like change or don't understand. the queen was here for my entire lifetime _ queen was here for my entire lifetime, it was a massive shock to know _ lifetime, it was a massive shock to know she — lifetime, it was a massive shock to know she is — lifetime, it was a massive shock to know she is not here any more... it takes _ know she is not here any more... it takes time — know she is not here any more... it takes time. there has been negative press _ takes time. there has been negative press about— takes time. there has been negative press about the royal family recently, a lot to do with harry and meghan. _ recently, a lot to do with harry and meghan. so— recently, a lot to do with harry and meghan, so i think... and recently, a lot to do with harry and meghan, so i think...— meghan, so i think... and prince andrew, meghan, so i think... and prince andrew. of— meghan, so i think... and prince andrew, of course. _ meghan, so i think... and prince andrew, of course. i— meghan, so i think... and prince andrew, of course. iwonder- meghan, so i think... and prince| andrew, of course. i wonder how meghan, so i think... and prince - andrew, of course. i wonder how much of an effect that has had? there is a thought that prince harry lifted the lid on a lot of things that are unsavoury, and the whole prince andrew affair, i wonder how damaging that has been?—

that has been? certainly with regard to prince harry— that has been? certainly with regard to prince harry and _ that has been? certainly with regard to prince harry and meghan, - that has been? certainly with regard to prince harry and meghan, some l to prince harry and meghan, some people may have been alienated by what happened because it was hoped the marriage of those two would create a more diverse and inclusive royal family but during the oprah winfrey interview meghan claimed questions were asked by one of the royals about the likely skin colour of the couplemy unborn child, the royal family of the couplemy unborn child, the royalfamily denying any of the couplemy unborn child, the royal family denying any racism but in our poll we ask you people think the royalfamily in our poll we ask you people think the royal family has a in our poll we ask you people think the royalfamily has a problem in our poll we ask you people think the royal family has a problem with race and diversity and a6% say it doesn't, 32% say it does, but among those from an ethnic minority background, far more, almost half, a9% think the royals do have a problem with race and diversity. buckingham palace says his majesty and the royal household tree all matters of race and diversity with great seriousness, but suggestions from our poll do indicate a problem amongst people from an ethnic minority background, and amongst young people. it is

minority background, and amongst young petiole-— minority background, and amongst young people-— young people. it is a drip, drip, dri. young people. it is a drip, drip, drip- about _ young people. it is a drip, drip, drip. about what _ young people. it is a drip, drip, drip. about what colour - young people. it is a drip, drip, drip. about what colour the - young people. it is a drip, drip, l drip. about what colour the baby will be, whatever the truth of it, the substance of it, it would not have gone down well with a lot of people, and the lady in waiting recently saying where are you from, no where are you really from? in and of itself, i will be with the guests at any moment. what are you doing about that? do you think there is a gradual erosion of trust because of those factors?— gradual erosion of trust because of those factors?_ there l gradual erosion of trust because of| those factors?_ there is those factors? absolutely. there is a lack of trust _ those factors? absolutely. there is a lack of trust and _ those factors? absolutely. there is a lack of trust and relate _ those factors? absolutely. there is a lack of trust and relate ability, i a lack of trust and relate ability, especially — a lack of trust and relate ability, especially. we _ a lack of trust and relate ability, especially. we are _ a lack of trust and relate ability, especially. we are in _ a lack of trust and relate ability, especially. we are in the - a lack of trust and relate ability, especially. we are in the cost i a lack of trust and relate ability, especially. we are in the cost ofj especially. we are in the cost of living _ especially. we are in the cost of living crisis— especially. we are in the cost of living crisis where _ especially. we are in the cost of living crisis where the _ especially. we are in the cost of living crisis where the young - living crisis where the young generation— living crisis where the young generation are _ living crisis where the young generation are struggling. living crisis where the young generation are struggling to| living crisis where the young - generation are struggling to achieve and get _ generation are struggling to achieve and get onto— generation are struggling to achieve and get onto the _ generation are struggling to achieve and get onto the property _ generation are struggling to achieve and get onto the property ladder- generation are struggling to achievel and get onto the property ladder and we think— and get onto the property ladder and we think about — and get onto the property ladder and we think about who _ and get onto the property ladder and we think about who the _ and get onto the property ladder and we think about who the biggest - we think about who the biggest landowners— we think about who the biggest landowners are, _ we think about who the biggest landowners are, the _ we think about who the biggest landowners are, the pageantryl we think about who the biggest l landowners are, the pageantry of we think about who the biggest - landowners are, the pageantry of the coronation _ landowners are, the pageantry of the coronation for — landowners are, the pageantry of the coronation for example. _ landowners are, the pageantry of the coronation for example. millions - landowners are, the pageantry of the coronation for example. millions of l coronation for example. millions of bounds _ coronation for example. millions of bounds are — coronation for example. millions of pounds are being _ coronation for example. millions of pounds are being spent, _ coronation for example. millions of pounds are being spent, and - coronation for example. millions of pounds are being spent, and how. pounds are being spent, and how individuals— pounds are being spent, and how individuals are _ pounds are being spent, and how individuals are viewing _ pounds are being spent, and how individuals are viewing this - pounds are being spent, and how individuals are viewing this from i individuals are viewing this from the outside _ individuals are viewing this from the outside will— individuals are viewing this from the outside will really _

individuals are viewing this from the outside will really relate - individuals are viewing this from the outside will really relate to i the outside will really relate to the outside will really relate to the costs — the outside will really relate to the costs and _ the outside will really relate to the costs and expenditure - the outside will really relate to the costs and expenditure of. the outside will really relate to i the costs and expenditure of the showmanship— the costs and expenditure of the showmanship and _ the costs and expenditure of the showmanship and fanfare - the costs and expenditure of the showmanship and fanfare that l the costs and expenditure of the i showmanship and fanfare that will the costs and expenditure of the - showmanship and fanfare that will be surrounding _ showmanship and fanfare that will be surrounding this, _ showmanship and fanfare that will be surrounding this, and _ showmanship and fanfare that will be surrounding this, and is _ showmanship and fanfare that will be surrounding this, and is much - showmanship and fanfare that will be surrounding this, and is much as- showmanship and fanfare that will be surrounding this, and is much as it i surrounding this, and is much as it is something — surrounding this, and is much as it is something that _ surrounding this, and is much as it is something that brings _ surrounding this, and is much as it is something that brings in- surrounding this, and is much as it. is something that brings in tourism, is something that brings in tourism, is a stable _ is something that brings in tourism, is a stable of— is something that brings in tourism, is a staple of british _ is something that brings in tourism, is a staple of british heritage - is a staple of british heritage culture _ is a staple of british heritage culture it _ is a staple of british heritage culture, it is _ is a staple of british heritage culture, it is un—relatable . is a staple of british heritage culture, it is un—relatable to| is a staple of british heritage . culture, it is un—relatable to so many— culture, it is un—relatable to so many of— culture, it is un—relatable to so many of us _ culture, it is un—relatable to so many of us that _ culture, it is un—relatable to so many of us that are _ culture, it is un—relatable to so many of us that are outside - culture, it is un—relatable to so many of us that are outside of| culture, it is un—relatable to so - many of us that are outside of that world _ many of us that are outside of that world of— many of us that are outside of that world of luxury— many of us that are outside of that world of luxury and _ many of us that are outside of that world of luxury and expense - many of us that are outside of that world of luxury and expense that l many of us that are outside of that| world of luxury and expense that is going _ world of luxury and expense that is going to _ world of luxury and expense that is going to be — world of luxury and expense that is going to be being— world of luxury and expense that is going to be being paraded - world of luxury and expense that is going to be being paraded in- world of luxury and expense that is going to be being paraded in frontl going to be being paraded in front of us, _ going to be being paraded in front of us, andm _ going to be being paraded in front of us, and... butt— going to be being paraded in front of us. anom— of us, and... but it looks magnificent. _ of us, and... but it looks magnificent. we - of us, and... but it looks magnificent. we want i of us, and... but it looks. magnificent. we want susan of us, and... but it looks- magnificent. we want susan to of us, and... but it looks— magnificent. we want susan to come back on this. what about it, susan? good morning. back on this. what about it, susan? good morning-— back on this. what about it, susan? good morning. good morning. well, i can 'ust good morning. good morning. well, i canjust series— good morning. good morning. well, i can just series on _ good morning. good morning. well, i can just series on television, - can just series on television, sorry — can just series on television, sor . ., ., sorry. you need to turn the television _ sorry. you need to turn the television down, _ sorry. you need to turn the television down, do - sorry. you need to turn the television down, do you i sorry. you need to turn the l television down, do you want sorry. you need to turn the i television down, do you want to quickly? take a step over. i’ee television down, do you want to quickly? take a step over. i've done that, thank — quickly? take a step over. i've done that, thank you. _ quickly? take a step over. i've done

that, thank you. to _ quickly? take a step over. i've done that, thank you. to the _ quickly? take a step over. i've done that, thank you. to the royal- quickly? take a step over. i've donej that, thank you. to the royal family and monarchy. i have grown up with the roval— and monarchy. i have grown up with the royal family and i still think even _ the royal family and i still think even in — the royal family and i still think even in this changing country of ours— even in this changing country of ours that — even in this changing country of ours that it— even in this changing country of ours that it has a part in our heritage _ ours that it has a part in our heritage and history and the way we present— heritage and history and the way we present ourselves to the world and i think it _ present ourselves to the world and i think it would be a shame to lose that originality that we do have visit country, the british isles. i also _ visit country, the british isles. i also think— visit country, the british isles. i also think i_ visit country, the british isles. i also think i agree. that it needs to appeal— also think i agree. that it needs to appeal to — also think i agree. that it needs to appeal to a — also think i agree. that it needs to appeal to a younger demographic. and maybe _ appeal to a younger demographic. and maybe it _ appeal to a younger demographic. and maybe it would have been wise to include _ maybe it would have been wise to include prince william and skip charles — include prince william and skip charles. ., , ., ~ include prince william and skip charles. . , ., ~ ., ., , charles. there was talk of that but that's not how _ charles. there was talk of that but that's not how it _ charles. there was talk of that but that's not how it works! _ charles. there was talk of that but that's not how it works! it - charles. there was talk of that but that's not how it works! it is i charles. there was talk of that but that's not how it works! it is whatl that's not how it works! it is what ou that's not how it works! it is what you inherit _ that's not how it works! it is what you inherit and _ that's not how it works! it is what you inherit and everything - that's not how it works! it is what you inherit and everything but i i you inherit and everything but i think— you inherit and everything but i think prince william and the way he

approaches the whole attitude and the way— approaches the whole attitude and the way the royal family present themselves to the public, i think he has the _ themselves to the public, i think he has the sort — themselves to the public, i think he has the sort of right balance and i think— has the sort of right balance and i think together with his father, king charles— think together with his father, king charles iii, — think together with his father, king charles iii, i think they could probably— charles iii, i think they could probably work well and bring the whole _ probably work well and bring the whole feeling of inclusive behaviour to the _ whole feeling of inclusive behaviour to the monarchy. i seriously think all the _ to the monarchy. i seriously think all the pageantry and colour and tradition— all the pageantry and colour and tradition isjust well all the pageantry and colour and tradition is just well worth all the pageantry and colour and tradition isjust well worth keeping to keep _ tradition isjust well worth keeping to keep our originality as a country _ to keep our originality as a country |_ to keep our originality as a count . ., ., to keep our originality as a country-— to keep our originality as a count . . ., , ., ., , country. i want to get your thoughts on this one- — country. i want to get your thoughts on this one. muster— country. i want to get your thoughts on this one. muster your _ country. i want to get your thoughts on this one. muster your thoughts l country. i want to get your thoughts. on this one. muster your thoughts on this. how did they change aroundthere is a problem with appealing to young people, only 32%

of the 18—2a —year—olds polled feel supportive of the monarchy. doctor craig prescott, good morning. expert in constitutional law and politics at the university of bangor. how much of a worry? will this be for those within the institution? good mornine. those within the institution? good morning- i'm _ those within the institution? good morning. i'm sure _ those within the institution? good morning. i'm sure this _ those within the institution? good morning. i'm sure this is - those within the institution? (13mg morning. i'm sure this is being noticed with then buckingham palace and the fact we constantly monitor public opinion and clearly there were always going to be questions after the queen and we are taking a step into the unknown for many people, by the sheer fact of having a new monarch. what we are trying to unpack here is how much of the monarchy was really elizabethan and how much of the monarchy is sort of the institution itself. and what steps can demonically take to engage with all groups? as we have noticed

in the poll, young groups in particular, younger people get their news from a very different way, don't necessarily watch television in the same way as older generations, they don't read the newspapers, so there is a real challenge for them just to communicate with young people and how on instagram or other social media apps the royal family sits next to a young person's four or five favourite influencers, so they have a real challenge of updating their operations for changing times. communication has always been a key role of the monarchy, particularly in the 20th century with the mass media, and they need to learn how to move out to the social media age. uri and i think what we found was the opinion amongst various people,

with its— the opinion amongst various people, with its wealth privilege there is a danger— with its wealth privilege there is a danger the monarchy could be seen as an institution that does not understand the lives of ordinary people — understand the lives of ordinary people, especially while we are at any cost _ people, especially while we are at any cost of— people, especially while we are at any cost of living crisis. in our poll— any cost of living crisis. in our poll we — any cost of living crisis. in our poll we asked of king charles is in touch— poll we asked of king charles is in touch are — poll we asked of king charles is in touch are out of touch with the experiences of british public and the poll— experiences of british public and the poll suggests 36% think he is in touch, _ the poll suggests 36% think he is in touch, but— the poll suggests 36% think he is in touch, but as% think he is not stop among _ touch, but as% think he is not stop among the — touch, but as% think he is not stop among the young, nearly 60% think he is not _ among the young, nearly 60% think he is not in _ among the young, nearly 60% think he is not in touch. it has to be said the king — is not in touch. it has to be said the king has a long track record of helping _ the king has a long track record of helping young disadvantaged people through— helping young disadvantaged people through the charity he founded. it has helped over a million young people — has helped over a million young people it — has helped over a million young people. it is difficult but his track— people. it is difficult but his track record would suggest he knows how to _ track record would suggest he knows how to communicate, especially with teenagers, _ how to communicate, especially with teenagers, and has done a great deal, _ teenagers, and has done a great deal. but — teenagers, and has done a great deal, but yet still there is obviously a bit of a hill to climb with— obviously a bit of a hill to climb with the — obviously a bit of a hill to climb with the sense amongst the young that he _ with the sense amongst the young that he is— with the sense amongst the young that he is out of touch and running at about— that he is out of touch and running at about 60% from our poll. for

that he is out of touch and running at about 6096 from our poll.- at about 6096 from our poll. for a lot of young _ at about 6096 from our poll. for a lot of young people, _ at about 6096 from our poll. for a lot of young people, for _ at about 6096 from our poll. for a lot of young people, for a - at about 6096 from our poll. for a lot of young people, for a lot i at about 6096 from our poll. for a lot of young people, for a lot of i lot of young people, for a lot of people, the perception of the royal family that they care is through the crown, they think the crown is a documentary, and i want to ask you, how much have harry and meghan dented the institution with their sniping and criticisms and observations, however you would put iti observations, however you would put it! think clearly only harry and meghan point, i think you can see that if you are 25 or younger... prince harry might have been your favourite member of the extent that you ever thought about the royals, and clearly the way things went for harry and meghan doesn't show the institution any good light, if you are in your early 20s, and really if you are in your early 20s, all you have known about the royal family is

the crown, harry and meghan and prince andrew. you'd experiences of it having been the best over the past five or six years. the other thing worth saying to the size the politics up with this, if you are under 13 now it is harder to achieve life goals of buying a house, marriage, moving on economically, and generally the view has always been the older you get the more inclined you become to support the monarchy... may be for labour you're more likely to be a

republican. some polling suggests that conservatives now get less than 10% of the under a05, so any broader social economic trend and broader i55ues social economic trend and broader issues regarding age, were a just become a much bigger split in your political and social economic circumstances than it has been before. there is a bigger question for the monarchy and i think this is where charles i5 for the monarchy and i think this is where charles is trying to go to slim down the number of royal palaces and castles and ultimately to simplify and slim down the monarchy so it appears in more nimble in5titution monarchy so it appears in more nimble institution and placed on a modern footing and i think from there, it is interesting that those steps need to be taken to try and

5teps need to be taken to try and better reflect what people are experiencing. better reflect what people are exoeriencing-_ better reflect what people are experiencing. what a fascinating oint, the experiencing. what a fascinating point, the roads _ experiencing. what a fascinating point, the roads for _ experiencing. what a fascinating point, the roads for young i experiencing. what a fascinating l point, the roads for young people experiencing. what a fascinating i point, the roads for young people to small seat conservatism have been o55ified in modern society, blocked. matt from gloucester, stewart and alexandra from brighton, good morning. alexandra, what you think about this? how do they turn it around with the youth?- about this? how do they turn it around with the youth? well, what i was sa int around with the youth? well, what i was saying was _ around with the youth? well, what i was saying was i _ around with the youth? well, what i was saying was i got _ around with the youth? well, what i was saying was i got naturalise i was saying was i got naturalise quite recently and i very much respect the royal family and the british constitution of course and i think that king charles i5 british constitution of course and i think that king charles is a very educated and knowledgeable person and that he should actually be more involved. he was going to go to this

meeting, climate meeting and they stopped him, and i think that was wrong, basically. riff stopped him, and i think that was wrong, basically.— wrong, basically. of course, he wanted to _ wrong, basically. of course, he wanted to go — wrong, basically. of course, he wanted to go and _ wrong, basically. of course, he wanted to go and speak - wrong, basically. of course, he wanted to go and speak out i wrong, basically. of course, he wanted to go and speak out on | wrong, basically. of course, he- wanted to go and speak out on some people said if there is anything to speak out on and express your opinion on it should be the survival of the planet, but there was something of a row about that. you are a great admirer but how do they turn this around? the image problem they seem to have with people from ethnic minorities and younger people miss what did they do? what ethnic minorities and younger people miss what did they do?— miss what did they do? what do they do? well, they _ miss what did they do? what do they do? well, they would _ miss what did they do? what do they do? well, they would be _ miss what did they do? what do they do? well, they would be more i do? well, they would be more auditable and do something good and positive. auditable and do something good and ositive. ., , auditable and do something good and ositive. . , ., positive. need daily mail -- the daily mail _ positive. need daily mail -- the daily mail said _ positive. need daily mail -- the daily mail said princess - positive. need daily mail -- the daily mail said princess kate, i positive. need daily mail -- the l

daily mail said princess kate, the daily mail 5aid prince55 kate, the princess of wale5,... brute daily mail said princess kate, the princess of wales, . . ._ princess of wales,... we tend to call them — princess of wales,... we tend to call them william _ princess of wales,... we tend to call them william and _ princess of wales,... we tend to call them william and kate i princess of wales,... we tend to | call them william and kate which princess of wales,... we tend to i call them william and kate which was the informality of the modern era. she can _ the informality of the modern era. she can turn up at the opening of an envelope and there is a spread at what they are waiting in the daily mail, so they have their champions, harry and meghan have many a denigrate in the popular press, but a generational thing there, my daughter's friends, young adults, they are overwhelmingly 5eem harry and meghan on this, so interesting. i will put my cards on the table, i am originally welsh and i think we need _ am originally welsh and i think we need to— am originally welsh and i think we need to start off with the royal family— need to start off with the royal family want to be relevant, if they want _ family want to be relevant, if they want to— family want to be relevant, if they want to become a force for good, which _ want to become a force for good, which i _ want to become a force for good, which i don't think they ever really have _ which i don't think they ever really have been. — which i don't think they ever really have been, is acknowledge where they have been, is acknowledge where they have come _ have been, is acknowledge where they have come from, acknowledge where the sources _ have come from, acknowledge where the sources of wealth are and acknowledge their history. we talk about— acknowledge their history. we talk about them being a force for good, we are _ about them being a force for good, we are talking about the prince of wales, _ we are talking about the prince of wales, kate, the princess of wales, that is— wales, kate, the princess of wales, that is a _ wales, kate, the princess of wales, that is a stolen title, that should

have _ that is a stolen title, that should have been— that is a stolen title, that should have been given back straight after charles— have been given back straight after charles and been retired. the sources— charles and been retired. the sources of— charles and been retired. the sources of wealth, it is cheap, a sovereign — sources of wealth, it is cheap, a sovereign grant, let's put that aside — sovereign grant, let's put that aside and _ sovereign grant, let's put that aside and look at the duchy of cornwall— aside and look at the duchy of cornwall and duchy of lancaster come from and _ cornwall and duchy of lancaster come from and let's look at their personal— from and let's look at their personal wealth as well and say they brin- personal wealth as well and say they bring in _ personal wealth as well and say they bring in more money than they cost. well, _ bring in more money than they cost. well, people don't turn up and say this would — well, people don't turn up and say this would make a really lovely tourist — this would make a really lovely tourist attraction if people lived here _ tourist attraction if people lived here. ,., , tourist attraction if people lived here. , ., and here. the versailles argument. and the diamond — here. the versailles argument. and the diamond crystal— here. the versailles argument. and the diamond crystal in _ here. the versailles argument. and the diamond crystal in that - the diamond crystal in that princess's head during the coronation history of when it comes from, _ coronation history of when it comes from. the _ coronation history of when it comes from, the soft power, they need to be communicating with the younger generation about the positive impacts— generation about the positive impacts they are having in modern society _ impacts they are having in modern society i— impacts they are having in modern society. i am someone who was able to be _ society. i am someone who was able to be part _ society. i am someone who was able to be part of— society. i am someone who was able to be part of the princes trust... we can— to be part of the princes trust... we can be — to be part of the princes trust... we can be positive about that but we have to _ we can be positive about that but we have to be _ we can be positive about that but we have to be saying. _ we can be positive about that but we have to be saying, as _ we can be positive about that but we have to be saying, as is _ we can be positive about that but we have to be saying, as is britain's i have to be saying, as is britain's help— have to be saying, as is britain's help get— have to be saying, as is britain's help get rid _ have to be saying, as is britain's help get rid of— have to be saying, as is britain's help get rid of the _ have to be saying, as is britain's help get rid of the slave - have to be saying, as is britain's help get rid of the slave trade, i help get rid of the slave trade, yes, _ help get rid of the slave trade, yes, but— help get rid of the slave trade, yes, but the _ help get rid of the slave trade, yes, but the monarchy's - help get rid of the slave trade, | yes, but the monarchy's wealth help get rid of the slave trade, i yes, but the monarchy's wealth has come _ yes, but the monarchy's wealth has come from — yes, but the monarchy's wealth has come from the _ yes, but the monarchy's wealth has come from the slave _ yes, but the monarchy's wealth has

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_ got compensation for getting rid of the slave trade? the _ got compensation for getting rid of the slave trade? the owners, i got compensation for getting rid of the slave trade? the owners, not i got compensation for getting rid of. the slave trade? the owners, not the slaves _ the slave trade? the owners, not the slaves we _ the slave trade? the owners, not the slaves we don't_ the slave trade? the owners, not the slaves. we don't talk— the slave trade? the owners, not the slaves. we don't talk about _ the slave trade? the owners, not the slaves. we don't talk about this. - slaves. we don't talk about this. how— slaves. we don't talk about this. how can— slaves. we don't talk about this. how can we _ slaves. we don't talk about this. how can we make _ slaves. we don't talk about this. how can we make the _ slaves. we don't talk about this. how can we make the monarchy| slaves. we don't talk about this. i how can we make the monarchy a slaves. we don't talk about this. - how can we make the monarchy a thing for good _ how can we make the monarchy a thing for good rather — how can we make the monarchy a thing for good rather than _ how can we make the monarchy a thing for good rather than just _ how can we make the monarchy a thing for good rather than just getting - for good rather than just getting rid of— for good rather than just getting rid of it— for good rather than just getting rid of it if— for good rather than just getting rid of it if we _ for good rather than just getting rid of it if we don't— for good rather than just getting rid of it if we don't talk- for good rather than just getting rid of it if we don't talk about. for good rather than just getting i rid of it if we don't talk about the history. — rid of it if we don't talk about the history. where _ rid of it if we don't talk about the history, where they _ rid of it if we don't talk about the history, where they come - rid of it if we don't talk about the history, where they come from, i rid of it if we don't talk about the - history, where they come from, where the titles— history, where they come from, where the titles and — history, where they come from, where the titles and wealth _ history, where they come from, where the titles and wealth all _ history, where they come from, where the titles and wealth all come - history, where they come from, where the titles and wealth all come from. i the titles and wealth all come from. crying _ the titles and wealth all come from. c in . . ., the titles and wealth all come from. c in a . ., , , the titles and wealth all come from. c in. . ., , , ., crying can i 'ust “ump in? 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not able _ the issues at the moment, people are not able to— the issues at the moment, people are not able to turn away from, there seems _ not able to turn away from, there seems to— not able to turn away from, there seems to be almost like a train track— seems to be almost like a train track heading to a station called the privileged few. the royal family. — the privileged few. the royal family, meghan, even the younger generation that are supporting them aristocratic, they are all on the strain— aristocratic, they are all on the strain and _ aristocratic, they are all on the strain and that train set up to the station, — strain and that train set up to the station, there is no backing off from _ station, there is no backing off from that, _ station, there is no backing off from that, if you are disaffected are working 40—6 hours a week or youte _ are working 40—6 hours a week or youte skint — are working 40—6 hours a week or you're skint and can't buy a house, there's— you're skint and can't buy a house, there's only — you're skint and can't buy a house, there's only so much joy you will -et there's only so much joy you will get with— there's only so much joy you will get with a — there's only so much joy you will get with a union flag waving at your station _ get with a union flag waving at your station while that train disappears off into _ station while that train disappears off into the distance. so when yotr're — off into the distance. so when you're asking how can these people become _ you're asking how can these people become relevant, ithink you're asking how can these people become relevant, i think it was a luy become relevant, i think it was a guy from — become relevant, i think it was a guy from gloucester who said analyse the wealth. _ guy from gloucester who said analyse the wealth, look at redistributing it. the wealth, look at redistributing it having — the wealth, look at redistributing it. having said that, i do understand that people, they do need. _ understand that people, they do need. a — understand that people, they do need, a lot of people do need something to aspire to, they do want

to feet— something to aspire to, they do want to feel special, so the royal family for them _ to feel special, so the royal family for them as useful as they can say these _ for them as useful as they can say these are — for them as useful as they can say these are wonderful people, we can praise _ these are wonderful people, we can praise them, and i do kind of get that, _ praise them, and i do kind of get that, the — praise them, and i do kind of get that, the queen in the war was like wow, _ that, the queen in the war was like wow, she _ that, the queen in the war was like wow, she is — that, the queen in the war was like wow, she is one of us, leading us through— wow, she is one of us, leading us through it — wow, she is one of us, leading us through it all, but then you just have _ through it all, but then you just have to — through it all, but then you just have to look over at all the sleaze of the _ have to look over at all the sleaze of the last — have to look over at all the sleaze of the last 30 years and what you are aspiring to. you can see they are aspiring to. you can see they are trying — are aspiring to. you can see they are trying to _ are aspiring to. you can see they are trying to turn around by saying look are trying to turn around by saying took at _ are trying to turn around by saying look at meghan, look how walk willie mays. _ look at meghan, look how walk willie mays. took— look at meghan, look how walk willie mays, look at prince harry etc, but i mays, look at prince harry etc, but ithink— mays, look at prince harry etc, but i think people can see through it. ifi if i can die then, all these things, theyjust want us if i can die then, all these things, they just want us to wave away the questions with flags. == they just want us to wave away the questions with flags.— they just want us to wave away the | questions with flags._ we questions with flags. -- dive in. we all 'ust questions with flags. -- dive in. we alljustjabbed? _ questions with flags. -- dive in. we alljustjabbed? religion _ questions with flags. -- dive in. we alljustjabbed? religion and - questions with flags. -- dive in. we

alljustjabbed? religion and sex . alljustjabbed? religion and sex and tv, wejust alljustjabbed? religion and sex and tv, we just fell for it? alljustjabbed? religion and sex and tv, wejust fell for it? i and tv, we just fell for it? i honestly don't. we become conservatives— honestly don't. we become conservatives with - honestly don't. we become conservatives with a - honestly don't. we become conservatives with a smalli honestly don't. we become| conservatives with a small c honestly don't. we become - conservatives with a small c and may become _ conservatives with a small c and may become more — conservatives with a small c and may become more radical— conservatives with a small c and may become more radical with— conservatives with a small c and may become more radical with more - become more radical with more information _ become more radical with more information. we _ become more radical with more information. we give _ become more radical with more information. we give up - become more radical with more information. we give up and . become more radical with morej information. we give up and we become more radical with more i information. we give up and we do not search— information. we give up and we do not search for— information. we give up and we do not search for information. - information. we give up and we do not search for information.- information. we give up and we do not search for information. some sad news coming — not search for information. some sad news coming in- _ not search for information. some sad news coming in. len _ not search for information. some sad news coming in. len goodman, - not search for information. some sad news coming in. len goodman, the l news coming in. len goodman, the charge of strictly come dancing and an absolute dance legend in his time, has died. he was 78. marvellous dancer, he made other documentaries as well for the bbc. marvellous, knowledgeable man about everything to do with dance. that he had such an interesting back story in life, superb on television, superb communicator, wasn't he? the

way he spoke to some of the contestants was marvellous. he said it like it was. len goodman, we have lost, dance legend and former senior head judge of strictly come dancing. he will a welder before becoming a professional dancer, he ran a dance school in kent until strictly come dancing happened and then he rocketed to national fame and he was a judge on the american version of the show, dancing with the stars, jet setting in and out, he did ia seasons on strictly come dancing. and he left the show in 2016, i remember when he left, i was thinking what is he? he was such a fixture, wasn't he? at the epicentre of the church in as well. so sad. we will have more on this, of course.

len goodman, if you are having a look and watching television we're seeing some of him. any fans of strictly come dancing amongst you? my strictly come dancing amongst you? my wife likes it. he helped me get into the _ my wife likes it. he helped me get into the show, great character and made _ into the show, great character and made it— into the show, great character and made it acceptable, really sad news and a _ made it acceptable, really sad news and a massive shock. he made it acceptable, really sad news and a massive shock.— made it acceptable, really sad news and a massive shock. he had a great resence. and a massive shock. he had a great presence- a — and a massive shock. he had a great presence. a counter, _ and a massive shock. he had a great presence. a counter, didn't - and a massive shock. he had a great presence. a counter, didn't he, - and a massive shock. he had a great presence. a counter, didn't he, he i presence. a counter, didn't he, he did not mess about?— presence. a counter, didn't he, he did not mess about? good chemistry with the rest — did not mess about? good chemistry with the rest of _ did not mess about? good chemistry with the rest of the _ did not mess about? good chemistry with the rest of the panel, _ did not mess about? good chemistry with the rest of the panel, it - with the rest of the panel, it worked _ with the rest of the panel, it worked really well. we with the rest of the panel, it worked really well.— with the rest of the panel, it worked really well. we will regroup in 'ust a worked really well. we will regroup injust a moment, _ worked really well. we will regroup in just a moment, really _ worked really well. we will regroup in just a moment, really sad - worked really well. we will regroup in just a moment, really sad news. injust a moment, really sad news that len goodman has died. it is 9:33am. and here is the news from giuliano

casadei. the foreign secretaryjames cleverley says the government is doing everything it can to help british citizens escape the violence in sudan. hundreds of people have died and more than a week of fighting and some british nationals still bear say they feel abandoned. more than £200 million of funding to help school children in england catch up after lockdown has not been spent. the national tutoring programme subsidises extra sessions but schools have to top up the funding and many say they cannot afford it. more than half of low income households in the uk do not know about broken broadband deals according to ofcom. it is concern people are not getting the right advice when it comes to switching to advice when it comes to switching to a social tariff and as we have just heard, len goodman has died at the age of 78. those are your headlines. katie smith has the sport. good morning, the stage is set for the

first ever manchester derby fa cup final after united won a nail—biting penalty shoot—out 7—6 against brighton at wembley. the team has been called to forget and move on as they wait for a competitive victory. eric ten hayek admits they will do everything they can to stop manchester city from winning the treble and the final is on the 3rd ofjune. newcastle boss eddie house described his sides thrashing of tottenham as a statement of intent and they have taken a big step towards champions league football with a six—point cushion in the premier league. the line—up for the quarterfinals of the world snooker championship will be decided later, anthony mcgill and mark selby are amongst those leading going into the second round deciders and ronnie o'sullivan is amongst those already three. great britain took home six gold medals from the para— cycling world woke in italy. fran brown was

amongst the winners. such sad news that we have lost a british institution. a national treasure, that is the phrase, len goodman, we will have more on that. former strictly come dancing judge, at the age of 78, has died. we are

discussing the national institution of the monarchy, a new opinion poll showing as regards young people, the popularity with younger people, they have a problem so does that bode ill for the future? how can they turn that around? and also, in the second hour of the programme, starting at 10am, many of you will have lots to say about this. how anti—semitic is the uk, how much anti—semitism is there in these islands? the labour party has suspended diane abbott after she wrote a letter, extraordinary, claiming that anti—semitism is a form of prejudice rather than it being a form of racism. the inference very much was if you read it, she was comparing that sort of prejudice to the experiences for example people with red hair and she has apologised, she said the letter was a draft sent in

error. but what does the row tell us about anti—semitism in the uk? she seemed to have no recognition of for one thing, the holocaust, she said jewish people did not have to go to the back of buses, for example, in pre—civil rights in the united states which is an extraordinary thing to say given that the programmes in the holocaust, the centuries and centuries and manifestation of the oldest hatred is anti—semitism. loads of high—profile social media incidents, adidas cutting ties with kanye west and widely bound from social networks, how big a problem is it on—line and a load of it is insidious troops, suggestions of a tiny cabal running the world. and i want to hear your experiences, if

you are jewish want to hear your experiences, if you arejewish is anti—semitism something that affects your life and you encounter it in modern britain in 2023? how anti—semitic is the uk, coming up at10am. the royalfamily, the royal family, should the royalfamily, should i say the monarchy because i think, chain, we should remind ourselves, the panorama programme tonight, a fascinating survey commissioned by panorama and carried out by a girth. distinction we must always make between the monarchy and the royal family because the royal family will go on and on, they will still the columns for decades to come, if the monarchy were to be abolished today

that would be the case. give us a summary of what this survey tells us, if anyone hasjoined us? summary of what this survey tells us, if anyone has joined us? us, if anyone has “oined us? rachel raised this point — us, if anyone has joined us? rachel raised this point about _ us, if anyone has joined us? rachel raised this point about tourism - us, if anyone has joined us? rachel raised this point about tourism and | raised this point about tourism and what the royal family brings to britain. matt was saying that they are very expensive and is it right they have wealth based on land? the finances are interesting and we will look at that in the programme tonight but in our poll we asked if people thought the royal family was good or bad value for money? 5a% said they were good value for money, 32% said they were bad value so despite these discussions and laying out of the wealth, it seems the majority of people think they are good value for money and the royal website itself points out that the cost per person in the uk per year is £1 about the same as a first stamp so i think we have got to look at it in that perspective. a, tat

at it in that perspective. a lot chea er at it in that perspective. a lot cheaper than _ at it in that perspective. a lot cheaper than the _ at it in that perspective. a lot cheaper than the licence - at it in that perspective. a lotj cheaper than the licence fee? at it in that perspective. a lot cheaper than the licence fee? don't not go there! i have went. we have debra and rose and marcy are amongst the callersjoining us. rose, are you a fan of the monarchy? is it a bastion of continuity?— you a fan of the monarchy? is it a bastion of continuity? good morning. good morning- _ bastion of continuity? good morning. good morning. how— bastion of continuity? good morning. good morning. how are _ bastion of continuity? good morning. good morning. how are you? - bastion of continuity? good morning. good morning. how are you? i - bastion of continuity? good morning. good morning. how are you? i am i bastion of continuity? good morning. i good morning. how are you? i am very well but what — good morning. how are you? i am very well but what do _ good morning. how are you? i am very well but what do you _ good morning. how are you? i am very well but what do you think _ good morning. how are you? i am very well but what do you think about - good morning. how are you? i am very well but what do you think about the i well but what do you think about the survey? well but what do you think about the surve ? , ., well but what do you think about the surve ? , . , ., . well but what do you think about the surve ? , . ,., . . survey? they are important and i feel that we _ survey? they are important and i feel that we have _ survey? they are important and i feel that we have more _ survey? they are important and i feel that we have more now - survey? they are important and i feel that we have more now that| survey? they are important and i | feel that we have more now that i survey? they are important and i - feel that we have more now that i am older than i did when i was younger. so you think people may change if they are somewhat inimical to the royalfamily right now, they are somewhat inimical to the royal family right now, you think as they get older they will get it? i think they do, i really do. i think

they are... i thought about it, when our beloved queen died i felt it was like using a grandmother. that is how i felt. and i am tickled pink to see king charles now on the throne and looking forward to his coronation and all that goes with that. and ijust feel differences in theirfamily that. and ijust feel differences in their family have come to a head simply because things are more put out there now than what they ever used to be. they used to be so private but now we are getting more of an insight into their lives. some of an insight into their lives. some of it good, some of that bad. indeed! like all of us! but they have to put that out because, their

lives, they have to show a little bit of the lake as it were because thatis bit of the lake as it were because that is part of selling themselves to the people, that is the sort of society we are, we want to know about people and they cannot be hermetically sealed like they were in the 505 when we get nothing so it is to their benefit to put it out, isn't it? .. , is to their benefit to put it out, isn'tit? , ., , �*, isn't it? exactly, precisely. it's more important _ isn't it? exactly, precisely. it's more important they _ isn't it? exactly, precisely. it's more important they cope - isn't it? exactly, precisely. it'sj more important they cope with isn't it? exactly, precisely. it's- more important they cope with the times and become more modern which i think is what the king is trying to do. , . ., . , think is what the king is trying to do. , _, . , ., do. the very concept of the king, that is the _ do. the very concept of the king, that is the thing. _ do. the very concept of the king, that is the thing. deborah, - do. the very concept of the king, that is the thing. deborah, in - that is the thing. deborah, in sandringham, what do you think about this opinion poll? good morning. i this opinion poll? good morning. i am absolutely shocked that people cannot _ am absolutely shocked that people cannot eat or heat or even provide the basics. — cannot eat or heat or even provide the basics, we are going to spend this amount of money on a man to be made _ this amount of money on a man to be made king _ this amount of money on a man to be made king for a coronation, he is that ritchie — made king for a coronation, he is that ritchie could pay for it himself _ that ritchie could pay for it

himself. the whole family, i would have loved — himself. the whole family, i would have loved it when the queen died, that would — have loved it when the queen died, that would be it. i do not want with him. _ that would be it. i do not want with him. chance. — that would be it. i do not want with him, chance, any of them. they have massive. _ him, chance, any of them. they have massive, massive wealth and yet the taxoayer. _ massive, massive wealth and yet the taxpayer, might £1.24 i would rather -ive taxpayer, might £1.24 i would rather give to— taxpayer, might £1.24 i would rather give to a _ taxpayer, might £1.24 i would rather give to a food bank, a nurse, doctor — give to a food bank, a nurse, doctor i— give to a food bank, a nurse, doctor~ i do _ give to a food bank, a nurse, doctor. i do not want to pay for them — doctor. i do not want to pay for them have _ doctor. i do not want to pay for them. have i got an option to opt out or— them. have i got an option to opt out or helping them live the lifestyle they do? this argument about— lifestyle they do? this argument about the tourism, i did not get it. i about the tourism, i did not get it. i have _ about the tourism, i did not get it. i have travelled all over the world and i— i have travelled all over the world and i visit — i have travelled all over the world and i visit places and things to see things. _ and i visit places and things to see things. the — and i visit places and things to see things, the people are not always there _ things, the people are not always there. charles, you know, he is not up there. charles, you know, he is not up to— there. charles, you know, he is not up to the _ there. charles, you know, he is not up to the times, camilla, i remember once a— up to the times, camilla, i remember once a child _ up to the times, camilla, i remember once a child saying a statement she would _ once a child saying a statement she would never be queen. i originally come _ would never be queen. i originally come from — would never be queen. i originally come from where nearer diana was trrought— come from where nearer diana was brought up— come from where nearer diana was brought up at althorp. you

come from where nearer diana was brought up at althorp.— brought up at althorp. you are at their neighbour— brought up at althorp. you are at their neighbour at _ brought up at althorp. you are at their neighbour at sandringham. | brought up at althorp. you are at - their neighbour at sandringham. just because the house is there, it does not mean _ because the house is there, it does not mean people support them, the minimum _ not mean people support them, the minimum wage staff are paid, housing conditions. _ minimum wage staff are paid, housing conditions, this image that they come _ conditions, this image that they come across that they understand how normal _ come across that they understand how normal people live, when is the last time you _ normal people live, when is the last time you soak camilla at a food bank? — time you soak camilla at a food bank? i— time you soak camilla at a food bank? i cannot understand and i think— bank? i cannot understand and i think we — bank? i cannot understand and i think we should be ashamed of ourselves. he wants to be making in a coronation. — ourselves. he wants to be making in a coronation, pay for it yourself, make _ a coronation, pay for it yourself, make the — a coronation, pay for it yourself, make the family chip in. harry and meghan— make the family chip in. harry and meghan have done the right thing and look meghan have done the right thing and took at _ meghan have done the right thing and look at how they are being treated, disgusting. look at how they are being treated, dis ustinu. . ., . ., look at how they are being treated, disauustin. . ., . ., ,, disgusting. hang on, what do you mean they _ disgusting. hang on, what do you mean they have _ disgusting. hang on, what do you mean they have done _ disgusting. hang on, what do you mean they have done the - disgusting. hang on, what do you mean they have done the right i disgusting. hang on, what do you - mean they have done the right thing? getting away, paying for themselves, what is _ getting away, paying for themselves, what is so _ getting away, paying for themselves, what is so wrong with that? they have _ what is so wrong with that? they have treen— what is so wrong with that? they have been savvy enough, harry s mortenm — have been savvy enough, harry s morten... we are always being told he is _ morten... we are always being told he is wearing in £1000 outfit, i

have _ he is wearing in £1000 outfit, i have no— he is wearing in £1000 outfit, i have no sympathy for the royal family— have no sympathy for the royal family at — have no sympathy for the royal family at all. rose, bless her, she has an— family at all. rose, bless her, she has an older— family at all. rose, bless her, she has an older generation, i am in my 60s trut— has an older generation, i am in my 60s touta— has an older generation, i am in my 60s but a tot — has an older generation, i am in my 60s but a lot of the older people back to _ 60s but a lot of the older people back to the time of the queen mother and the _ back to the time of the queen mother and the queen and the war and things like that. _ and the queen and the war and things like that, modern times, people do not agree _ like that, modern times, people do not agree with the royal family. they— not agree with the royal family. they do— not agree with the royal family. they do not think the lifestyle they have compared to what we will be shown _ have compared to what we will be shown on — have compared to what we will be shown on the television on coronation day of wealth beyond our wildest— coronation day of wealth beyond our wildest dreams, our wildest dreams. why shouldn't he go to winsor and somebody— why shouldn't he go to winsor and somebody put the crown on his head and sent— somebody put the crown on his head and sent so— somebody put the crown on his head and sent so the a load of money? bittions _ and sent so the a load of money? billions will watch it on television, won't they? absolutely not. when television, won't they? absolutely not- when they — television, won't they? absolutely not. when they have _ television, won't they? absolutely not. when they have no _ television, won't they? absolutely not. when they have no choice, i television, won't they? absolutely not. when they have no choice, it| not. when they have no choice, it will be _ not. when they have no choice, it will be on — not. when they have no choice, it will be on every single channel. if you put— will be on every single channel. if you put the — will be on every single channel. if you put the telly on that day, we

will see — you put the telly on that day, we will see the picture of the state carriage — will see the picture of the state carriage but how many people would that keep _ carriage but how many people would that keep going? selling off odd collection? britain is one of the wealthiest countries in the world. hold wealthiest countries in the world. hotd fire. — wealthiest countries in the world. hold fire, hold fire, and there is a lot of fire, you are on fire. robert are you there, in humberside? what an impassioned call from deborah and i want you to speak to deborah and to explain why we should cherish the monarchy. ! to explain why we should cherish the monarch . u. to explain why we should cherish the monarch . .. ., .. ., monarchy. i came on the call to indicate my _ monarchy. i came on the call to indicate my support _ monarchy. i came on the call to indicate my support of- monarchy. i came on the call to indicate my support of prince i indicate my support of prince charles. _ indicate my support of prince charles. not— indicate my support of prince charles, not what _ indicate my support of prince charles, not what rebecca i indicate my support of prince i charles, not what rebecca has indicate my support of prince - charles, not what rebecca has done, i charles, not what rebecca has done, i totally _ charles, not what rebecca has done, i totally understand, _ charles, not what rebecca has done, i totally understand, that _ charles, not what rebecca has done, i totally understand, that was - i totally understand, that was deborah _ i totally understand, that was deborah. �* . i totally understand, that was deborah. 3 . i totally understand, that was deborah. �*, . �*, ., deborah. let's hear it. let's eat it. hana deborah. let's hear it. let's eat it- hang on. _ deborah. let's hear it. let's eat it. hang on, wait _ deborah. let's hear it. let's eat it. hang on, wait a _ deborah. let's hear it. let's eat it. hang on, wait a minute. - deborah. let's hear it. let's eat it. hang on, wait a minute. youj deborah. let's hear it. let's eat - it. hang on, wait a minute. you are clearly not finished and that is cool but robert, express your

support. cool but robert, express your su ort. . , . , support. king charles iii, he was way ahead _ support. king charles iii, he was way ahead in _ support. king charles iii, he was way ahead in relation _ support. king charles iii, he was way ahead in relation to - support. king charles iii, he was way ahead in relation to climate | way ahead in relation to climate change — way ahead in relation to climate change. multi—culture, - way ahead in relation to climate change. multi—culture, as- way ahead in relation to climate change. multi—culture, as i- way ahead in relation to climate change. multi—culture, as i ami way ahead in relation to climate i change. multi—culture, as i am of ethnic— change. multi—culture, as i am of ethnic origin— change. multi—culture, as i am of ethnic origin and _ change. multi—culture, as i am of ethnic origin and when _ change. multi—culture, as i am of ethnic origin and when i- change. multi—culture, as i am of ethnic origin and when i was - change. multi—culture, as i am of ethnic origin and when i was a - ethnic origin and when i was a little — ethnic origin and when i was a little boy. _ ethnic origin and when i was a little boy. i— ethnic origin and when i was a little boy, i watched _ ethnic origin and when i was a little boy, i watched prince i ethnic origin and when i was a - little boy, i watched prince charles .rew little boy, i watched prince charles grew up— little boy, i watched prince charles grew up and — little boy, i watched prince charles grew up and what— little boy, i watched prince charles grew up and what made _ little boy, i watched prince charles grew up and what made me - little boy, i watched prince charles grew up and what made me so - little boy, i watched prince charles. grew up and what made me so happy about— grew up and what made me so happy about it _ grew up and what made me so happy about it was — grew up and what made me so happy about it was that _ grew up and what made me so happy about it was that when _ grew up and what made me so happy about it was that when he _ grew up and what made me so happy about it was that when he met - 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head judge on dancing with the stars in the us, during the semifinal of that show that he announced he will be stepping back from the show to spend more time with his family and then the shocking news that he died over the weekend in a hospice surrounded by his family and friends from bone cancer. what was so loved about len goodman was the gravitas and the wet and the humour that he brought to strictly come dancing. this was a show when it came out in 200a, people thought what on earth or the bbc doing and how will this get people watching on a saturday night and he played an absolutely crucial part of it because he was the head church and he had the celebrities to talk about and what he did so expertly and in such a brilliant way was introduced ballroom dancing to homes all around britain on a saturday night, explaining the moves in a way that allowed people to be included with

it and also some of those remarks that he said that could bring out belly laughs. i've been looking up some of his best quotes about people, jeremy vine it was like watching a stork struck by lightning. frankie bridge, you floated across flew like butter on a crumpet. kellie bright on her salsa, the were like two sizzling sausages on a barbecue, your bottom was bionic! and this is what he managed to do, explain the technicalities and make you laugh and he provided that gravitas and humour at the same time. i that gravitas and humour at the same time. . that gravitas and humour at the same time. , ., . . time. i remember one particular contestant— time. i remember one particular contestant who _ time. i remember one particular contestant who was _ time. i remember one particular contestant who was over - time. i remember one particular contestant who was over the - time. i remember one particular. contestant who was over the years when what to be somewhat slightly difficult, it happens and i remember he said to to the effect, turn up on time, be nice to everybody and behave in a professional manner and he said it on screen and i thought,

0k, he said it on screen and i thought, ok, what is going on there? as i said, he told it told it like it was, very candid, did not spare the blushes or embarrassment. band was, very candid, did not spare the blushes or embarrassment. and what a work ethic he — blushes or embarrassment. and what a work ethic he had, _ blushes or embarrassment. and what a work ethic he had, often _ blushes or embarrassment. and what a work ethic he had, often he _ blushes or embarrassment. and what a work ethic he had, often he would - blushes or embarrassment. and what a work ethic he had, often he would be i work ethic he had, often he would be doing the british and the american shows at the same time. doing the shows at the same time. doing the show is on the recordings in britain on a saturday, getting on a plane and flying to california, dancing with the start—up and mid week in the states and flying back to britain for the next weekend, that is why he finally stood down as head church, about 2016 but he did 12 years and totally establish the show and was such a crucial part of it and was such a crucial part of it and i think a lot of people will be wanting to hearjust one more seven from him today! did wanting to hear 'ust one more seven from him today!— wanting to hear 'ust one more seven from him homi— from him today! did not quite get it riiht! tim from him today! did not quite get it right! tim davey, _ from him today! did not quite get it right! tim davey, the _ from him today! did not quite get it right! tim davey, the bbc- right! tim davey, the bbc director—general said len goodman

was a wonderful man, entertainer adored by millions and he appealed to all ages and felt like a member of the family. he was at the heart of the family. he was at the heart of the family. he was at the heart of the success of strictly come dancing and will be hugely missed by the family and his many friends and family and one of those people on television he managed to achieve 100% of the year off what they are on the air. on the airbus what you sow, and it was working god, that is what i am trying to say. he sow, and it was working god, that is what i am trying to say.— what i am trying to say. he came over as a — what i am trying to say. he came over as a lovely _ what i am trying to say. he came over as a lovely english - what i am trying to say. he came i over as a lovely english gentleman and he started out as a welder, he was 19 and got a foot injury that a doctor recommended as part of his rehabilitation it would be good if he took up dancing and within a decade he was the british ballroom dancing champion so what a recommendation from a doctor that was to take up dancing and how much i0y was to take up dancing and how much joy he managed to give people over the years and yeah, i find it deeply shocking that there he was on dancing with the stars last november and now the news today. thank

dancing with the stars last november and now the news today.— dancing with the stars last november and now the news today. thank you so much. and now the news today. thank you so much- really — and now the news today. thank you so much. really sad _ and now the news today. thank you so much. really sad news _ and now the news today. thank you so much. really sad news that _ and now the news today. thank you so much. really sad news that he - and now the news today. thank you so much. really sad news that he judge i much. really sad news that he judge len goodman, dancing legend and teeth are great, has died at the age of 79. tributes are coming in and they will be all day and in the days to come. we are talking about the monarchy. panorama tonight, you have done the survey, golf, chain, the top line i guess is that the monarchy is still popular with people in society but perhaps less popular and there is a problem in addressing younger people and actually capturing them for the love and for the support that have for the royalfamily, that the royal family, that is a real challenge? it is amongst the young people the bespoke to suggest a 32% wanted the monarchy due to continued against

58% of the population as a whole, the less than one third and i suppose the other interesting thing that came out, watch jealous with that came out, watch jealous with thatis that came out, watch jealous with that is we asked people if they were interested in the royalfamily, are you interested or not? a2% overall said they were but 58% said they were not so again we are seeing just over half less interested in the royal family and as you say, this is a challenge for king charles but i would urge anyone listening that if you want more details on the opinion poll go to the bbc website because it is all set out there. let poll go to the bbc website because it is all set out there.— it is all set out there. let me brini in it is all set out there. let me bring in another _ it is all set out there. let me bring in another caller. - it is all set out there. let me bring in another caller. and i it is all set out there. let me | bring in another caller. and to it is all set out there. let me - bring in another caller. and to max crocombe are you still there? quite a piece about. you are not a fan? i a piece about. you are not a fan? i am not a fan. i had a huge amount of

respect _ am not a fan. i had a huge amount of respect for— am not a fan. i had a huge amount of respect for the queen and for me, being _ respect for the queen and for me, being of— respect for the queen and for me, being of an — respect for the queen and for me, being of an ethnic minority background, my respect doesn't come from the _ background, my respect doesn't come from the issue of the commonwealth and what _ from the issue of the commonwealth and what happened during the reign of the _ and what happened during the reign of the queen but more about the queen— of the queen but more about the queen at— of the queen but more about the queen at the age of 25 having to put up queen at the age of 25 having to put up with— queen at the age of 25 having to put up with a _ queen at the age of 25 having to put up with a lot of the backlash of her being _ up with a lot of the backlash of her being a _ up with a lot of the backlash of her being a female on the throne and she was a _ being a female on the throne and she was a trailblazer in many ways so a lot was a trailblazer in many ways so a tot of— was a trailblazer in many ways so a lot of respect for the queen but i think— lot of respect for the queen but i think in— lot of respect for the queen but i think in society today, we are a society— think in society today, we are a society that questions and we ask for a _ society that questions and we ask for a quality and justice. and there is not _ for a quality and justice. and there is not that. — for a quality and justice. and there is not that. i— for a quality and justice. and there is not that, i think someone earlier said there — is not that, i think someone earlier said there is — is not that, i think someone earlier said there is this privileged train and tots — said there is this privileged train and lots of people on it and we do not know— and lots of people on it and we do not know why. i get people saying that they — not know why. i get people saying that they bring tourism, which is great _ that they bring tourism, which is great but— that they bring tourism, which is great. but when you bring tourism in and you _ great. but when you bring tourism in and you talk— great. but when you bring tourism in and you talk about being accessible for tourists coming in what is actually—

for tourists coming in what is actually happening for people who live here? what about the residents? i live here? what about the residents? i personally— live here? what about the residents? i personally do not agree with being called _ i personally do not agree with being called a _ i personally do not agree with being called a subject, aren't we really subjects — called a subject, aren't we really subjects in — called a subject, aren't we really subjects in society? whilst we are still subjects, we are always one step further removed from that. but it doesn't step further removed from that. emit it doesn't mean anything, does it? debra, it doesn't mean anything, it is vocabulary of a bygone age but what about... but is vocabulary of a bygone age but what about. . ._ is vocabulary of a bygone age but what about... but i think it does. i totally agree _ what about... but i think it does. i totally agree with _ what about... but i think it does. i totally agree with this _ what about... but i think it does. i totally agree with this lady, - totally agree with this lady, totally agree with this lady, totally agree with this lady, totally agree and i think a lot more people do and i would love to know the kind of people that answered the survey. because i am elderly. and if i had a choice of £1 going to charles and camilla, william, harry, i would rather put that... but

charles and camilla, william, harry, i would rather put that. . ._ i would rather put that... but what about kate? _ i would rather put that... but what about kate? i _ i would rather put that. .. but what about kate? i think— i would rather put that... but what about kate? i think they _ i would rather put that... but what about kate? i think they all - i would rather put that... but what about kate? i think they all shouldj about kate? i think they all should 0, about kate? i think they all should to, eve about kate? i think they all should go. every single — about kate? i think they all should go, every single one _ about kate? i think they all should go, every single one of _ about kate? i think they all should go, every single one of them. - about kate? i think they all should go, every single one of them. he l go, every single one of them. he liked america. not any of them. why should we pay in this modern—day age when the kings subjects cannot even live? they cannot even live. this when the kings subjects cannot even live? they cannot even live.- live? they cannot even live. this is iioin to live? they cannot even live. this is going to be — live? they cannot even live. this is going to be like — live? they cannot even live. this is going to be like america, - live? they cannot even live. this is going to be like america, it - live? they cannot even live. this is going to be like america, it will. going to be like america, it will not be — going to be like america, it will not be any— going to be like america, it will not be any different, there will still be — not be any different, there will still be people starving, still people — still be people starving, still people wanting housing. but still be people starving, still people wanting housing. but in a different way- — people wanting housing. but in a different way. the _ people wanting housing. but in a different way. the government i people wanting housing. but in a - different way. the government cannot give nurses a pay rise but suddenly, somebody is finding £a0 million which it will cost, apparently. for charles and camilla onjust which it will cost, apparently. for charles and camilla on just this one day. it is a waste of money.-

day. it is a waste of money. debra, half of the — day. it is a waste of money. debra, half of the country _ day. it is a waste of money. debra, half of the country will _ day. it is a waste of money. debra, half of the country will applaud - day. it is a waste of money. debra, half of the country will applaud you | half of the country will applaud you on the other half will say no, we need to keep the tradition and pump pageantry and majesty of the pit quickly, what is your alternative, debra? . quickly, what is your alternative, debra? , ., , �* . quickly, what is your alternative, debra? , ., , , debra? president tony blair? yes! , no chattel. — debra? president tony blair? yes! , no chattel. no _ debra? president tony blair? yes! , no chattel, no buckingham - debra? president tony blair? yes! , no chattel, no buckingham palace, l no chattel, no buckingham palace, nothing. no chattel, no buckingham palace, nothini. ~ . . , nothing. what about the president, we need a head _ nothing. what about the president, we need a head of— nothing. what about the president, we need a head of state _ nothing. what about the president, we need a head of state because i nothing. what about the president, i we need a head of state because that will elevate the power of the prime minister beyond what it is now, give me a president? how would you want? can it be, even though he is dead! i can it be, even though he is dead! i tell you what, charles kennedy was a great man. thank you so much, jane, when is the programme on? the programme is on bbc one tonight at 8pm and it is on the bbc iplayer. chain, you have done many of the

panorama programmes over the years. and there is another one tonight. and there is another one tonight. and it is always a fascinating programme. we are talking about anti—semitism here on the nation spun in, you know how to get in touch. this is in the light of the letter by diane abbott to the observer newspaper which clearly express the fact that anti—semitism wasn't actually racism, it was prejudice, and she compared the experience of black people over the years, saying the experience ofjewish people for example and romani community was, and irish, was not comparable to that of black people, they were not made to sit at the back of buses. she drew all sorts of examples,

other examples have been using the apartheid system in south africa, and a lot of people politely and otherwise pointed out that is not the jewish experience, otherwise pointed out that is not thejewish experience, with the oldest hatred, which is what anti—semitism is called sometimes over the years and quite a few people pointed out that they did not get seats on buses, were crowded onto cattle trucks. callers, tell astute experience of anti—semitism in britain today. get in touch and tell us, i'd love to listen. and here is the news. len goodman

has died aged 78. his manager says he had bone cancer and passed away on saturday at a hospice in kent surrounded by his family. the government says it's exploring every possible way of rescuing about 2000 british citizens trapped by the fighting in sudan. the foreign office minister has advised anyone stuck there to stay indoors and await further advice. public health experts say teenagers are at risk of some diseases because of a fallen vaccine uptake. data from the uk health security agency shows fewer are being vaccinated against meningitis, tetanus and polio them before the pandemic and the final batch of tickets for next month's eurovision song contest in the report will go on sale at midday, the bbc says there is a limited number for the three live shows, as well as for six production previews.

len goodman, we've lost aged 78 years old, the legend of len goodman, the election that was. head judge of strictly come dancing. let's talk about him before we go into a discussion of anti—semitism, let's mark the death of a great character, tv institution a treasure, that there is absolutely no doubt. vincent, former strictly professional, good morning to you. we will get him any minute. we have got scott brian from the much watched podcast, tv critic, can't believe this, what are your thoughts? by, believe this, what are your thoughts?— believe this, what are your thoughts? believe this, what are your thou:hts? . . , ,, . believe this, what are your thouhts? . , . , thoughts? a real shock. he had been a family favourite _ thoughts? a real shock. he had been a family favourite for— thoughts? a real shock. he had been a family favourite for years, - thoughts? a real shock. he had been a family favourite for years, of - a family favourite for years, of course he was on strictly come dancing from the very beginning until i think 2016-17. dancing from the very beginning until i think 2016—17. he was also on the us equivalent, dancing with the stars, until last year, and i

think many people will miss his warmth, his charisma on the show. he was very central to the success of to come dancing, the way he would debate the merits of the dances of the otherjudges, the way he would always give little tips to the other contestants and i think it was the fact he was such an incredibly talented individual. had years in professional dancing prior to when he was on strictly come dancing, he was cast in strictly is one of the last trip to shortly before the show came to air, i think many people will be very familiar with his catchphrases that he had throughout the show and i think he will be missed by many people. we also had in the last few minutes a tribute from tim davey, the bbc director—general, who said line was a wonderful warm entertainer who was adored by millions, he appealed to all ages and felt like a member of

everyone's family. he was at that very heart of strictly�*s success and will be hugely missed by the public and by his many friends and family. he had a national catchphrase, people just seven. ihlat he had a national catchphrase, people just seven.— he had a national catchphrase, people just seven. people 'ust seven. not 'ust that but also people just seven. not 'ust that but also lend people just seven. not 'ust that but aiso iemi the — people just seven. notjust that but also lend the prestigious _ people just seven. notjust that but also lend the prestigious honour- people just seven. notjust that but | also lend the prestigious honour you can get on strictly, i think for a number of years, and one of the judges who who felt incredibly invested in all the paintings and theirjourneys, and i think the fact that when you really had an emotion from lent you knew he was able to, that you had really achieved something on that show because the thing about strictly, is not so much about the person who wins, it is important but it's about the fact that somebody who might be starting in strictly may be realising they can be more capable than what they might think, that they are able to build a new skill that they might have thought they would never be able to go and do and i think len

was always a part of that, always able to show the actually dancing can be enjoyed by many people, and it is not something that is far away and distant from the likes of you and distant from the likes of you and i. �* . . and distant from the likes of you and i. . . , ,., and distant from the likes of you andl. �* . , . ., , and distant from the likes of you andi. . ., and i. and want is so revelatory is that when — and i. and want is so revelatory is that when you're _ and i. and want is so revelatory is that when you're watching - and i. and want is so revelatory is that when you're watching a - and i. and want is so revelatory is i that when you're watching a problem like that and you realise the technical knowledge about every little step and micro movement of somebody like len goodman, who was a dancer through and through, a ballroom dancer, and boy did he know his stuff. he ballroom dancer, and boy did he know his stuff. .. . . ' ballroom dancer, and boy did he know his stuff. ,, , , , . ., his stuff. he knew his stuff and had a real knack — his stuff. he knew his stuff and had a real knack and _ his stuff. he knew his stuff and had a real knack and ability _ his stuff. he knew his stuff and had a real knack and ability of - his stuff. he knew his stuff and had a real knack and ability of making i a real knack and ability of making accessible to everybody because the key to the success of strictly come dancing as it takes a world that might be dealing with technical specifics, the where you place your feet, your arms, the movement across the dance floor, and he was able to explain why a celebrity might have done something a little bit wrong in

lehmans terms that you and i would be able to understand, and that is why strictly has been key in introducing millions of people to dancing and the specific sort of forms and ways of dancing, because of his ability and to explain what dancing was. when it started in 200a it was different to what it is now, back then was really explanatory, back then was really explanatory, back then was really explanatory, back then they had to explain how different dances worked and what they were and now we all know, we are very familiar with the different styles of dancing because it has been part of our cultural dna on tv for over the last now nearly 20 years. i think the fact that it has managed to be so successful is one of the core component parts being len goodman in the fact he was such a favourite for so many. back len goodman in the fact he was such a favourite for so many.— a favourite for so many. back in the da , a a favourite for so many. back in the day. a long — a favourite for so many. back in the day. a longtime — a favourite for so many. back in the day, a long time ago _ a favourite for so many. back in the day, a long time ago was _ a favourite for so many. back in the day, a long time ago was the - day, a long time ago was the programme come dancing, and it was a reinvention of that. i remember when

they first match of the concept, i remember thinking will that were? and boy, did it work. the template of saturday night tv success. we have vincent, a former professional dancer on strictly, 2006—12, good morning and i'm so sorry, i know you knew him well, what was he like? yes, good morning to stop to be honest. — yes, good morning to stop to be honest. i— yes, good morning to stop to be honest, ijust found out the news, for the _ honest, ijust found out the news, for the start. i am here honest, ijust found out the news, forthe start. iam here in honest, ijust found out the news, for the start. i am here in italy today— for the start. i am here in italy today and _ for the start. i am here in italy today and i— for the start. i am here in italy today and ijust read the terrible news~ _ today and ijust read the terrible news~ he — today and ijust read the terrible news. he was a professional colleague but more than anything a friend. _ colleague but more than anything a friend. a _ colleague but more than anything a friend, a man's man, all of us professionals, especially the boys, we used _ professionals, especially the boys, we used to— professionals, especially the boys, we used to hang around with them and she used _ we used to hang around with them and she used to _ we used to hang around with them and she used to tell stories, and even dancing _ she used to tell stories, and even dancing wise, he used to show us steps. _ dancing wise, he used to show us steps, which all of us knew professionals didn't even know existed. — professionals didn't even know existed, really old school dance figures —

existed, really old school dance figures. he isjust one of those people — figures. he isjust one of those people you want to spend all day with him — people you want to spend all day with him kind of thing. a magnetic personality. _ with him kind of thing. a magnetic personality. very _ with him kind of thing. a magnetic personality, very charismatic. i with him kind of thing. a magnetic| personality, very charismatic. very funn as personality, very charismatic. very funny as well. _ personality, very charismatic. very funny as well, the _ personality, very charismatic. very funny as well, the stories - personality, very charismatic. very funny as well, the stories he used to tell _ funny as well, the stories he used to tell he — funny as well, the stories he used to tell. he was just funny as well, the stories he used to tell. he wasjust brilliant. he came _ to tell. he wasjust brilliant. he came to — to tell. he wasjust brilliant. he came to see me performing many times when i _ came to see me performing many times when i was _ came to see me performing many times when i was in _ came to see me performing many times when i was in the west end and when i when i was in the west end and when iwas— when i was in the west end and when i was on _ when i was in the west end and when i was on tour— when i was in the west end and when i was on tour and i always got a message — i was on tour and i always got a message from him saying it say ten from ten _ message from him saying it say ten from len. ., . . . , from len. you are right, an astute observation _ from len. you are right, an astute observation that _ from len. you are right, an astute observation that she _ from len. you are right, an astute observation that she knew- from len. you are right, an astute observation that she knew it, i from len. you are right, an astute observation that she knew it, he i observation that she knew it, he knew everything about ballroom dancing, to its finest detail, because he had been doing it all have this life. the world of ballroom dancing in itself is a fascinating place, with such nuance and different movements and

different techniques, and he knew them all. . . different techniques, and he knew them all. , , ., them all. yes, it is something not many people _ them all. yes, it is something not many people do — them all. yes, it is something not many people do these _ them all. yes, it is something not many people do these days, i i them all. yes, it is something not many people do these days, i am | many people do these days, i am probably one of the last people to be going through and studying the books, because there is ballroom and latin american books that you have to read and do exams, different exams to get the top level and then qualify as an international and nationaljudge. not many people do this any more, just like old school, people like myself, and on the back, brendan cole, jamesjordan, we all went through that, and because of that reason we have more of a deeper understanding of the ballroom dancing in every single detail, talking about how to place the foot, inside edge, outside edge, 182 the lead, one quarter to the right, all that technical staff unfortunately is gone a little bit because people start to choreograph and start to

perform and they never have the time to go through that, to qualify technical certificates for that, so we all understood when he was talking, giving us criticism on the show, because we all come from the same background. you show, because we all come from the same background.— same background. you can tell he is a dancer by — same background. you can tell he is a dancer by the _ same background. you can tell he is a dancer by the way _ same background. you can tell he is a dancer by the way he _ same background. you can tell he is a dancer by the way he walked. i same background. you can tell he is. a dancer by the way he walked. some of this model, some of his flow, and he very much was the latter, wasn't he? he walks with grace and elegance, the way he moved his arms, and great poise, that's the word. did you see him dance? this and great poise, that's the word. did you see him dance?- and great poise, that's the word. did you see him dance? this is what it used to be. _ did you see him dance? this is what it used to be, when _ did you see him dance? this is what it used to be, when we _ did you see him dance? this is what it used to be, when we were - did you see him dance? this is what it used to be, when we were at i did you see him dance? this is what it used to be, when we were at tv i it used to be, when we were at tv centre in shepherd's bush, white city, i don't know if you are aware there is the hsu horace, the call shoe horse, the horse shoe, and we were all hanging there outside the studios, the tv studios, and he used

to grab girls and boys and he used to grab girls and boys and he used to show us steps and figures. that is the only time i saw him dancing, which were surprising, because he was really, really good. it was like everything, when you see someone of an older generation, you can only imagine they way they were when they were younger but actually, the way he was grabbing the girls, when he was grabbing slavia and doing this amazing step that we had never heard of unseen, he was really good, knew how to lead, knew how to dance with a women, so it was masterclass every time he showed us something. bind a women, so it was masterclass every time he showed us something. and he was very honest _ time he showed us something. and he was very honest with _ time he showed us something. and he was very honest with the _ was very honest with the contestants.— was very honest with the contestants. . , , , . , . contestants. always. yes. he was a really amazing — contestants. always. yes. he was a really amazing person. _ contestants. always. yes. he was a really amazing person. i— contestants. always. yes. he was a really amazing person. i am - contestants. always. yes. he was a really amazing person. i am still- contestants. always. yes. he was a really amazing person. i am still a i really amazing person. i am still a bit in shock because it took me by surprise today, but he is going to be missed, he is going to be missed.

thank you so much, vincent, for coming on at short notice. i really appreciate it and i know you are very close to him and i'm so sorry for your loss as well. and as ever, scott, something on strictly come dancing itself, scott, he was absolutely essential and crucial to success, what a tv and when people look back in time at tv phenomena, they will say strictly come dancing is one and len goodman was at the very heart of that. what an extraordinary phenomenon, it will go on and on and on and no one can think ofan on and on and on and no one can think of an alternative saturday night format i will ever be a successful.— night format i will ever be a successful. ., , ., . successful. know, if you look at the ratin . s for successful. know, if you look at the ratings for strictly _ successful. know, if you look at the ratings for strictly come _ successful. know, if you look at the ratings for strictly come dancing i ratings for strictly come dancing 'ust ratings for strictly come dancing just in— ratings for strictly come dancing just in the — ratings for strictly come dancing just in the last year, it is by and large _ just in the last year, it is by and large clearly one of the most popular— large clearly one of the most popular saturday night shows the bbc has probably ever had and it has been _ has probably ever had and it has been so — has probably ever had and it has been so consistent, that's the thing — been so consistent, that's the thing. when they brought it back, because _ thing. when they brought it back, because you were saying earlier about _ because you were saying earlier about come dancing, this was seen to

be quite _ about come dancing, this was seen to be quite a _ about come dancing, this was seen to be quite a stale format, putting other— be quite a stale format, putting other celebrities on a saturday night. — other celebrities on a saturday night, they did not think it was going — night, they did not think it was going to — night, they did not think it was going to take of and it did. it was down _ going to take of and it did. it was down to— going to take of and it did. it was down to the fact they managed to take something, bring it to millions of viewers — take something, bring it to millions of viewers with warmth and entertainment and something unexpected, and also with a lot of charisma — unexpected, and also with a lot of charisma and i think len was the embodiment of that. he was able to really— embodiment of that. he was able to really sort _ embodiment of that. he was able to really sort of make a big family entertainment show, i think even though— entertainment show, i think even though of— entertainment show, i think even though of course he has not been on the show— though of course he has not been on the show for— though of course he has not been on the show for a few years, it is very much _ the show for a few years, it is very much been — the show for a few years, it is very much been kind of echoing these sort of sensibility he brought to the programme. of sensibility he brought to the programme-— of sensibility he brought to the hroramme. . ~ ,, y . programme. thank you very much. len goodman. programme. thank you very much. len goodman- a — programme. thank you very much. len goodman. a couple _ programme. thank you very much. len goodman. a couple of— programme. thank you very much. len goodman. a couple of texts. _ programme. thank you very much. len goodman. a couple of texts. let i programme. thank you very much. len goodman. a couple of texts. let me i goodman. a couple of texts. let me reach of those. really sad news about len goodman, he was brilliant. very straight talking, no messing. he will be missed. his perfamily,

he will always live on. and the catchphrase seven, even my daughter who is seven says it's in that way. bless him. so sad to hear about len goodman, a true legend who will be sorely missed. let's talk about a massive issue over the centuries, the oldest hatred, they call it. anti—semitism. the labour party has suspended diane abbott and i'm going to read the letter. she says it was a first draft and she has abjectly apologised, should not have sent the first draft, but wrote it. we are talking about anti—semitism because anti—semitic incidents reached a record high in 2021, before following last year. we know there has been a labour party concerted effort by keir starmer to rid the party of anti—semitism, massive accusations that had taken root and

was flourishing in certain parts of the labour party, of course. anti—semitism in general, can be subtle and is insidious. there are tropes, new world order, international finance, tropes, new world order, internationalfinance, thejewish international finance, the jewish lobby, internationalfinance, thejewish lobby, a small group controlling the world and appears more subtly unless nakedly on our streets. we want your thoughts on this and your experiences of it as well. we have a rabbi joining us. experiences of it as well. we have a rabbijoining us. how experiences of it as well. we have a rabbi joining us. how you doing? good morning. i’m rabbi joining us. how you doing? good morning.— rabbi joining us. how you doing? good mornini. �* ., ., . good morning. i'm going to read the letter, if! made. _ good morning. i'm going to read the letter, if! made. he _ good morning. i'm going to read the letter, if i made. he that _ good morning. i'm going to read the letter, if! made. he that is. - good morning. i'm going to read the letter, if! made. he that is. "it- letter, if i made. he that is. "it is true many types of white people with no points of difference such as redheads can experience prejudice, but they are not all their lives subject to racism. in pre—civil rights america, irish peoplejewish people and travellers were not required to sit at the back of the bus. in apartheid south africa, these groups were allowed to vote.

and at the height of slavery, there were no white people manacled to the slave ships". that is from diane abbott, it is extraordinary given whatjewish people have gone over in the last century and many centuries before. jonathan, what did you think of it? i before. jonathan, what did you think of it? . , before. jonathan, what did you think ofit? ., , before. jonathan, what did you think ofit? , ._ before. jonathan, what did you think ofit? , _ .y of it? iwas astonished, really. my initial reaction _ of it? iwas astonished, really. my initial reaction was _ of it? iwas astonished, really. my initial reaction was not _ of it? iwas astonished, really. my initial reaction was not so - of it? iwas astonished, really. my initial reaction was not so much i of it? iwas astonished, really. my initial reaction was not so much toj initial reaction was not so much to be offended butjust taken aback at thisjeer stupidity of be offended butjust taken aback at this jeer stupidity of it. she be offended butjust taken aback at thisjeer stupidity of it. she is black, has been a victim of racism, you would think she would be more sensitive to others to experience it. she has been at the heart of the jeremy corbyn tobacco and you think she would have learned from the enormous mess thatjeremy corbyn got himself into in denying anti—semitism, and above all, she is anti—semitism, and above all, she is a constituency mp for hackney north and stoke newington which has a very high and stoke newington which has a very hithewish population, she should have known from their experiences, from talking to them, but the anti—semitism that some of them get

themselves. on every which level you look at it, it is astonishingly ignorant on her part. i look at it, it is astonishingly ignorant on her part. i couldn't iuite iet ignorant on her part. i couldn't quite get my — ignorant on her part. i couldn't quite get my head _ ignorant on her part. i couldn't quite get my head around i ignorant on her part. i couldn't quite get my head around it i ignorant on her part. i couldn't i quite get my head around it when i first read it. in pre—civil rights america, irish people, jewish people and travellers were not required to sit at the back of the bus and departed africa these groups were allowed to vote. lots of people actually said i saw this online quite a lot, said it is not a question of sitting at the back of the bus, my relatives were thrown onto cattle trucks and thrown into a gas chamber. you onto cattle trucks and thrown into a gas chamber-— gas chamber. you are right, there are no seats _ gas chamber. you are right, there are no seats in _ gas chamber. you are right, there are no seats in the _ gas chamber. you are right, there are no seats in the cattle - gas chamber. you are right, there are no seats in the cattle trucks i gas chamber. you are right, there| are no seats in the cattle trucks to auschwitz, and i'm speaking to you notjust auschwitz, and i'm speaking to you not just the someone auschwitz, and i'm speaking to you notjust the someone who is a student ofjewish history but has a very small family precisely because what happened in 1939—a5, my family album has got lots of photos of people who never made it. my mother was one of the lucky ones, came here on a transport all the uncles and aunts did not make it. i can tell you from my immediate history, quite

apart from the experiences of thousands of other people. diane abbott, you would have thought she is an intelligent woman, but clearly, it is a blind spot, but the point is, at what point does a place but she is to be a blind spot and become malice? that is the bit i don't know, but there is something clearly very wrong. if she was a rookie mp, first time in parliament... but she is very experienced, has been through the jeremy corbyn years and knows her constituency, how she can say that, beyond a leap. absolutely astonishing. it beyond a leap. absolutely astonishing.— beyond a leap. absolutely astonishini. . . astonishing. it will be interesting heafini astonishing. it will be interesting hearing from _ astonishing. it will be interesting hearing from people _ astonishing. it will be interesting hearing from people on - astonishing. it will be interesting hearing from people on this, i astonishing. it will be interesting | hearing from people on this, their own experiences of anti—semitism and how it manifests in the streets of britain, the towns and cities of britain, the towns and cities of britain, wherever. it is, as i said at the top, it is subtle and insidious and there is a lot of it online embedded within a lot of conspiracy theories. talk of the jewish lobby, talk of a small cabal

controlling the world, world government, pulling the strings behind the scenes. we have had can us to sing some appalling things, the rapper wily as well seeing some following things and you wonder if people say this, what on earth are they thinking? how does it work itself out in modern britain, anti—semitism? itself out in modern britain, anti-semitism?_ itself out in modern britain, anti-semitism? ~ , ., anti-semitism? well, i should say, britain is riot _ anti-semitism? well, i should say, britain is not an _ anti-semitism? well, i should say, britain is not an anti-semitic i britain is not an anti—semitic society. but there are also pockets of anti—semitism within it. we are talking, as you say, but online abuse or individuals. just to give you an example of the very picture, it is very nuanced, in my area of maidenhead, very open and carefree, no incidents, great relations with their neighbours, with other faith groups, if you ever hear of a local attack, it is likely to be on the church or a local playground being attacked by yobs. however, in certain parts of the country, critically in london, and actually in diane abbott's one constituency, where there are groups and perhaps

more visibly orthodox, visibly jewish, they will sometimes get attacked or abused on the streets, so much so that they actually set up their own informal security group. if you ever pass by a jewish day school in north—west london, it is quite frightening because there are high walls and there is always a security guard outside the school. it is almost quite threatening any sense to go past it. not as bad as elsewhere, i have to tell you. there are other schools that have no problems and in europe it is much worse for you largely have placecards or even armed guards outsidejewish placecards or even armed guards outside jewish state schools, placecards or even armed guards outsidejewish state schools, so the society here is quite tolerant and carefree in many ways but we have to always be vigilant because of the sort of occasional pockets or occasional incidents. at the fact we are even talking about itjust shows it really is an issue, and for some people, it's actually determines their lives and they always go around looking over their shoulder, so there is a lot of work to do,

we've come a long way from my parents�* generation, obviously the solution is education, and as you well know, a lot of schools do multi—faith education, holocaust education, a lot of mixed faith in mixed race marriages, we are gradually, gradually improving our civil society, gradually learning to see differences not as threatening what is interesting, and the old sort of thing about the dislike of the unlike, we are beginning to get over it but we are not there yet which is why her comments were really so insensitive. in which is why her comments were really so insensitive.— which is why her comments were really so insensitive. in my mind, it is absolutely _ really so insensitive. in my mind, it is absolutely clear, _ really so insensitive. in my mind, it is absolutely clear, the - it is absolutely clear, the distinction, you can criticise the state of israel and the government in the same way you can criticise a religion and not be a slam of phobic, that is nothing about the people, that is about the belief system. there is a clear line, you can criticise government are not being anti—semitic but some people in their criticism of the israeli government use anti—semitic tropes and anti—semitic language and that

is where sometimes on they left it has spilled over into something very insidious and hateful. emily sinclair, member of oxford universityjewish society, good morning. i also want to speak to jake in north shields and sandra in manchester. good morning. give me your experiences of anti—semitism in this country, how often have you experienced that?— this country, how often have you experienced that? never. i am 78 ears of experienced that? never. i am 78 years of age _ experienced that? never. i am 78 years of age in — experienced that? never. i am 78 years of age in july. _ experienced that? never. i am 78 years of age in july, i _ experienced that? never. i am 78 years of age in july, i was - experienced that? never. i am 78 years of age in july, i was born i years of age injuly, i was born more or less the days were finished and a crowd of us all went to an english school, we did not go to a jewish school, and after school we had to go for a hebrew and we all learnt to be what we are, we learn the jewish learnt to be what we are, we learn thejewish religion, as we shared, and with their parents. now, i have never come across it. i am an ex

market trader and i have worked nearly every market in england, ireland, scotland and wales and abroad. i have been to places where they don't know what dues are, and they don't know what dues are, and the only one time was somebody said to me in wales, is it true the dues get buried standing up? i said, no, not really, they get buried the same as everybody else but i never thought that was anti—semitic. i don't know what to say to you, nicki. ., �* i don't know what to say to you, nicki._ i have i don't know what to say to you, i nicki._ i have never nicki. you've said it. i have never come across _ nicki. you've said it. i have never come across it- — nicki. you've said it. i have never come across it. in _ nicki. you've said it. i have never come across it. in my _ nicki. you've said it. i have never come across it. in my day, - nicki. you've said it. i have never| come across it. in my day, people might say 30 jewish, but that was not our era, that was our parent's era, so we did not hear all that. what more can i say to youit is interesting. that language in itself, oversee some people would

find that extremely offensive, but i remember... well, of course. mayi remember... well, of course. mayi remember back in the day along chemical people think you have any mean, don't be sojewish about this. did no one ever say that to you? mo. did no one ever say that to you? no. it was in the — did no one ever say that to you? no. it was in the era _ did no one ever say that to you? firm it was in the era of did no one ever say that to you? in; it was in the era of my parents, i should think, but it was never in neverin should think, but it was never in never in my era, where you talk about, and i notice around, and anti—semitism is a terrible thing, it isjust anti—semitism is a terrible thing, it is just about the last maybe 20 years that they are showing the proper holocaust, you put it on and the programme, it is on all the time, which are so good because people are now believing it. and i can remember on television many years ago, i think his name was irving, i'm not sure, he was a holocaust denier. well, did happen?

i should think it did happen. itinfoil. i should think it did happen. well, thank ou i should think it did happen. well, thank you for— i should think it did happen. well, thank you for that. _ i should think it did happen. well, thank you for that. exactly. - i should think it did happen. well, thank you for that. exactly. in - thank you for that. exactly. in whitefield 19 95 that thank you for that. exactly. in whitefield i9 95 that are still alive that where any holocaust. hang on, ou've alive that where any holocaust. hang on. you've said _ alive that where any holocaust. hang on, you've said here... _ alive that where any holocaust. hang on, you've said here... you - alive that where any holocaust. hang on, you've said here... you said loads of stuff that was really interesting. apologies for some of the language but very frank stuff. you have worked as a market trader all your life, you mention david irving, he was of course a man who was quite a fan boy i think for adolf hitler and wrote some holocaust denial and got in to court. some people might remember. he started off as a fairly respected historian but then all descended into anti—semitism, like some kind of a session for him. emily, what do you think? interesting hearing sandra's experience. have you encountered a? i

sandra's experience. have you encountered a?— sandra's experience. have you encountered a? . . ., encountered a? i have encountered in m life.i encountered a? i have encountered in my life- i think _ encountered a? i have encountered in my life. i think there _ encountered a? i have encountered in my life. i think there were _ encountered a? i have encountered in my life. i think there were two - my life. i think there were two instances in my life when it was particularly explicit was that the first being told that quote your people were spreading over" and being told having a conversation, having mentioned i wasjewish and a person says it does not matter for you, you are rich. i think those are the two most stark experiences of anti—semitism i have had and you have to call it out as you see, you have to call it out as you see, you have to call it out as you see, you have to say that this anti—semitic and have to move on. i think in other places it can come across definitely more subtly but from a place of people not knowing. i have grown up my whole life, group in north—west london, a veryjewish area, i came to university and most of my friends at university are not jewish and don't come from that area and have never met anyonejewish before in their life, so when they hear about things like anti—semitism or learn about the holocaust at school, it's all very abstract until

you actually meet someone who has experienced those things. that you actually meet someone who has experienced those things.— experienced those things. that first comment, experienced those things. that first comment. that _ experienced those things. that first comment, that you _ experienced those things. that first comment, that you people - experienced those things. that first comment, that you people are - comment, that you people are responsible for covid, the pandemic, thatis responsible for covid, the pandemic, that is the sort of stuff that does reside in the dark corners of conspiracy theories, doesn't it? the small cabal who are doing evil things in the world and seeking to control us all. that is one of the awful, wicked tropes we hear. there is a lot of conspiracy theories, hence here and hence they are and i know what you mean by that, clearly. you see a lot of that on mine, don't you? i you see a lot of that on mine, don't ou? ~ , ~ you? i think definitely, i think the internet, while _ you? i think definitely, i think the internet, while it _ you? i think definitely, i think the internet, while it brings _ you? i think definitely, i think the internet, while it brings us - you? i think definitely, i think the internet, while it brings us many| internet, while it brings us many wonderful things it brings also awful things. wonderful things it brings also awfulthings. my wonderful things it brings also awful things. my brother, who is also at university, bristol, he was asked an electric two weeks ago and two boys in front of him were looking at anti—semitic names on the internet without any recognition.

and he tapped him on the shoulder and said i amjewish and they and he tapped him on the shoulder and said i am jewish and they were completely shocked because in their mind they didn't think they'd ever encounter anyone jewish, mind they didn't think they'd ever encounter anyonejewish, let mind they didn't think they'd ever encounter anyone jewish, let alone can be sitting behind them any lecture. , . ~ ., ,, , lecture. jake in north shields, good morninu. lecture. jake in north shields, good morning. you'll— lecture. jake in north shields, good morning. you'll experience? - lecture. jake in north shields, good morning. you'll experience? i - lecture. jake in north shields, good morning. you'll experience? i am l morning. you'll experience? i am uuite an morning. you'll experience? i am quite an avid _ morning. you'll experience? i am quite an avid twitter— morning. you'll experience? i am quite an avid twitter user, - morning. you'll experience? i am quite an avid twitter user, i - morning. you'll experience? lam quite an avid twitter user, i see plenty— quite an avid twitter user, i see plenty of— quite an avid twitter user, i see plenty of it_ quite an avid twitter user, i see plenty of it on there, and you would not automatically know i am jewish to l00k— not automatically know i am jewish to look at— not automatically know i am jewish to look at me, i'm not orthodox, i am an_ to look at me, i'm not orthodox, i am an atheist due, sol to look at me, i'm not orthodox, i am an atheist due, so i remember being— am an atheist due, so i remember being at— am an atheist due, so i remember being at school, you pick up many of the floor. _ being at school, you pick up many of the floor, you are jewish, the trope of being _ the floor, you are jewish, the trope

of being stingy was associated with judaism, _ of being stingy was associated with judaism, and something i said to you. _ judaism, and something i said to you. a _ judaism, and something i said to you, a couple of years ago i was on a training _ you, a couple of years ago i was on a training course and had a really good _ a training course and had a really good day. — a training course and had a really good day, loads of intelligent heapie. — good day, loads of intelligent people, got on well with the guys there _ people, got on well with the guys there and — people, got on well with the guys there and we were talking about, we went to _ there and we were talking about, we went to an_ there and we were talking about, we went to an end to something like that and — went to an end to something like that and someone had a name that sounded _ that and someone had a name that sounded jewish, and someone i had been chatting to flip the penny on the floor— been chatting to flip the penny on the floor and laughed and if you people — the floor and laughed and if you people sort of chuckles and it really — people sort of chuckles and it really took me aback. no one knew i wasjewish— really took me aback. no one knew i wasjewish because i'm not obviously jewish, _ wasjewish because i'm not obviously jewish, and _ wasjewish because i'm not obviously jewish, and it completely floored me, jewish, and it completely floored me. and — jewish, and it completely floored me. and it — jewish, and it completely floored me, and it wasjust... yeah, i have experienced — me, and it wasjust... yeah, i have experienced it. ithink me, and it wasjust... yeah, i have experienced it. i think it is different— experienced it. i think it is different in the way that if you look _ different in the way that if you lookjewish, i live in the north—east, i'm sure the community in gateshead will have had a much worse _ in gateshead will have had a much worse experience than me, in terms of experiencing racism. if you are more _ of experiencing racism. if you are more obviously of a different ethnicity, you are more likely to experience _ ethnicity, you are more likely to experience the. but i have experienced some, i see plenty on twitter~ _ experienced some, i see plenty on twitter. and online.

it is interesting, the far right movements in the 30s whether it be mostly in this country or adolf hitler or whatever, they blame the jews for communism and for rampant capitalism. you cannot have it both ways! capitalism. you cannot have it both wa s! , �* capitalism. you cannot have it both wa s! , . capitalism. you cannot have it both wa s! , �* , ways! scapegoating, isn't it? these are the same _ ways! scapegoating, isn't it? these are the same trips _ ways! scapegoating, isn't it? these are the same trips that _ ways! scapegoating, isn't it? these are the same trips that the - ways! scapegoating, isn't it? these are the same trips that the nazis i are the same trips that the nazis played _ are the same trips that the nazis played on. — are the same trips that the nazis played on, everyone _ are the same trips that the nazis played on, everyone doing - are the same trips that the nazis played on, everyone doing badly| are the same trips that the nazis l played on, everyone doing badly in the wake _ played on, everyone doing badly in the wake of— played on, everyone doing badly in the wake of the _ played on, everyone doing badly in the wake of the great _ played on, everyone doing badly in the wake of the great depression l played on, everyone doing badly in. the wake of the great depression but jews doing _ the wake of the great depression but jews doing 0k— the wake of the great depression but jews doing 0k and _ the wake of the great depression but jews doing ok and it _ the wake of the great depression but jews doing ok and it is _ the wake of the great depression but jews doing ok and it is all— the wake of the great depression but jews doing ok and it is all tied - jews doing ok and it is all tied togethen _ jews doing ok and it is all tied togethen i_ jews doing ok and it is all tied together. i think— jews doing ok and it is all tied together. i think it _ jews doing ok and it is all tied together. i think it is - jews doing ok and it is all tiedl together. i think it is important jews doing ok and it is all tied - together. i think it is important to say diane — together. i think it is important to say diane abbott _ together. i think it is important to say diane abbott was _ together. i think it is important to say diane abbott was not - together. i think it is important to say diane abbott was not just - say diane abbott was not just talking — say diane abbott was not just talking about _ say diane abbott was not just talking about jews _ say diane abbott was not just talking about jews although l say diane abbott was not just i talking about jews although that say diane abbott was not just - talking about jews although that has -ot talking about jews although that has got the _ talking about jews although that has got the headlines... _ talking about jews although that has got the headlines... the _ talking about jews although that has got the headlines. . ._ got the headlines... the irish, the roma community. _ got the headlines... the irish, the roma community. it _ got the headlines... the irish, the roma community. it is _ got the headlines... the irish, the roma community. it is important| got the headlines... the irish, the i roma community. it is important to talk about their _ roma community. it is important to talk about their experiences - roma community. it is important to talk about their experiences as - roma community. it is important to talk about their experiences as well| talk about their experiences as well but comparing _ talk about their experiences as well but comparing the _

talk about their experiences as well but comparing the experiences - talk about their experiences as well but comparing the experiences of. but comparing the experiences of these _ but comparing the experiences of these ethnic— but comparing the experiences of these ethnic minorities _ but comparing the experiences of these ethnic minorities to - but comparing the experiences of these ethnic minorities to that. but comparing the experiences of these ethnic minorities to that of| these ethnic minorities to that of warheads— these ethnic minorities to that of warheads really— these ethnic minorities to that of warheads really infuriates - these ethnic minorities to that of warheads really infuriates me. i these ethnic minorities to that of| warheads really infuriates me. all the people — warheads really infuriates me. all the people coming _ warheads really infuriates me. all the people coming to _ warheads really infuriates me. all the people coming to her- warheads really infuriates me. alll the people coming to her defence, she has— the people coming to her defence, she has experienced _ the people coming to her defence, she has experienced racism, - the people coming to her defence, she has experienced racism, it - the people coming to her defence, she has experienced racism, it is l she has experienced racism, it is horrific— she has experienced racism, it is horrific what _ she has experienced racism, it is horrific what she _ she has experienced racism, it is horrific what she has _ she has experienced racism, it is. horrific what she has experienced. people _ horrific what she has experienced. people who — horrific what she has experienced. people who came _ horrific what she has experienced. people who came to _ horrific what she has experienced. people who came to her— horrific what she has experienced. people who came to her defence i horrific what she has experienced. i people who came to her defence that i saw said she has experienced racism and has apologised, no form, is that what you mean about coming to her defence?— to her defence? there are a load of --eole to her defence? there are a load of people you — to her defence? there are a load of people you automatically _ to her defence? there are a load of people you automatically know- to her defence? there are a load of people you automatically know will| people you automatically know will back someone _ people you automatically know will back someone up. _ people you automatically know will back someone up. such _ people you automatically know will back someone up. such a - people you automatically know will| back someone up. such a polarised society. _ back someone up. such a polarised society. people _ back someone up. such a polarised society. people on _ back someone up. such a polarised society, people on the _ back someone up. such a polarised society, people on the far- back someone up. such a polarised society, people on the far left - back someone up. such a polarised society, people on the far left a - society, people on the far left a lot of— society, people on the far left a lot of the — society, people on the far left a lot of the time _ society, people on the far left a lot of the time will— society, people on the far left a lot of the time will have - society, people on the far left a lot of the time will have an - society, people on the far left a i lot of the time will have an opinion of someone. — lot of the time will have an opinion of someone, not _ lot of the time will have an opinion of someone, not be _ lot of the time will have an opinion of someone, not be willing - lot of the time will have an opinion of someone, not be willing to - lot of the time will have an opinion i of someone, not be willing to change that and _ of someone, not be willing to change that and i_ of someone, not be willing to change that and i think— of someone, not be willing to change that and i think we _ of someone, not be willing to change that and i think we saw _ of someone, not be willing to change that and i think we saw that - of someone, not be willing to change that and i think we saw that with - that and i think we saw that with jeremy— that and i think we saw that with jeremy corbyn _ that and i think we saw that with jeremy corbyn and _ that and i think we saw that with jeremy corbyn and a _ that and i think we saw that with jeremy corbyn and a load - that and i think we saw that with jeremy corbyn and a load of- that and i think we saw that with jeremy corbyn and a load of thei jeremy corbyn and a load of the people — jeremy corbyn and a load of the people within _ jeremy corbyn and a load of the people within the _ jeremy corbyn and a load of the people within the party - jeremy corbyn and a load of the people within the party at - jeremy corbyn and a load of the people within the party at that i jeremy corbyn and a load of the - people within the party at that time and i think— people within the party at that time and i think there _ people within the party at that time and i think there are _ people within the party at that time and i think there are people - people within the party at that time and i think there are people very. and i think there are people very unwilling — and i think there are people very unwilling to _ and i think there are people very unwilling to criticise _ and i think there are people very unwilling to criticise people - and i think there are people very unwilling to criticise people who| unwilling to criticise people who they generally _ unwilling to criticise people who they generally agree _ unwilling to criticise people who they generally agree with - unwilling to criticise people who they generally agree with them | unwilling to criticise people who l they generally agree with them to their credit. — they generally agree with them to their credit, some _ they generally agree with them to their credit, some people - they generally agree with them to their credit, some people came i they generally agree with them to. their credit, some people came out and criticised — their credit, some people came out and criticised what _ their credit, some people came out and criticised what she _ their credit, some people came out and criticised what she said - their credit, some people came out and criticised what she said but - and criticised what she said but they— and criticised what she said but they said — and criticised what she said but they said she _ and criticised what she said but they said she said _ and criticised what she said but they said she said sorry- and criticised what she said but they said she said sorry and - and criticised what she said but they said she said sorry and it i and criticised what she said buti they said she said sorry and it is fine but — they said she said sorry and it is fine but apologising _ they said she said sorry and it is fine but apologising is _ they said she said sorry and it is fine but apologising is not- they said she said sorry and it isi fine but apologising is not always enough _ fine but apologising is not always enough and —

fine but apologising is not always enough and her— fine but apologising is not always enough and her excuse _ fine but apologising is not always enough and her excuse of - fine but apologising is not always enough and her excuse of it- fine but apologising is not always enough and her excuse of it wasi fine but apologising is not always l enough and her excuse of it was an initial— enough and her excuse of it was an initial draft. — enough and her excuse of it was an initial draft, that— enough and her excuse of it was an initial draft, that was _ enough and her excuse of it was an initial draft, that was ridiculous, i initial draft, that was ridiculous, 0k, initial draft, that was ridiculous, ok. that — initial draft, that was ridiculous, ok. that was _ initial draft, that was ridiculous, ok. that was a _ initial draft, that was ridiculous, ok, that was a draft _ initial draft, that was ridiculous, ok, that was a draft you - initial draft, that was ridiculous, ok, that was a draft you were i initial draft, that was ridiculous, - ok, that was a draft you were going to pull— ok, that was a draft you were going to pull back— ok, that was a draft you were going to pullback and _ ok, that was a draft you were going to pull back and give _ ok, that was a draft you were going to pull back and give you _ ok, that was a draft you were going to pull back and give you a - ok, that was a draft you were going to pull back and give you a true - to pull back and give you a true views— to pull back and give you a true views on— to pull back and give you a true views on it? _ to pull back and give you a true views on it? if— to pull back and give you a true views on it? if a _ to pull back and give you a true views on it? if a dodgy- to pull back and give you a true views on it? if a dodgy apologyj to pull back and give you a true . views on it? if a dodgy apology in my opinion — views on it? if a dodgy apology in my opinion in— views on it? if a dodgy apology in my opinion. in fact, _ views on it? if a dodgy apology in my opinion. in fact, i— views on it? if a dodgy apology in my opinion. in fact, i do - views on it? if a dodgy apology in my opinion. in fact, i do not- views on it? if a dodgy apology in| my opinion. in fact, i do not think she deserves _ my opinion. in fact, i do not think she deserves any _ my opinion. in fact, i do not think she deserves any more _ my opinion. in fact, i do not think she deserves any more credit - my opinion. in fact, i do not think she deserves any more credit forl she deserves any more credit for what _ she deserves any more credit for what she — she deserves any more credit for what she said _ she deserves any more credit for what she said in _ she deserves any more credit for what she said in that— she deserves any more credit for what she said in that apology, i what she said in that apology, really — what she said in that apology, really but _ what she said in that apology, really. but it _ what she said in that apology, really. but it was _ what she said in that apology, really. but it was an _ what she said in that apology, really. but it was an initial- what she said in that apology, . really. but it was an initial draft. very— really. but it was an initial draft. very strange _ really. but it was an initial draft. very strange way— really. but it was an initial draft. very strange way of— really. but it was an initial draft. very strange way of apologising i really. but it was an initial draft. . very strange way of apologising by saying _ very strange way of apologising by saying it _ very strange way of apologising by saying it was — very strange way of apologising by saying it was something _ very strange way of apologising by saying it was something i- very strange way of apologising by saying it was something i had - saying it was something i had originally— saying it was something i had originally written _ saying it was something i had originally written but - saying it was something i had originally written but was - saying it was something i had originally written but was not| saying it was something i had - originally written but was not going to publish — originally written but was not going to ublish. , ., , ., ., to publish. very odd. great coal and treat to publish. very odd. great coal and great contribution _ to publish. very odd. great coal and great contribution by _ to publish. very odd. great coal and great contribution by emily - to publish. very odd. great coal and great contribution by emily and - great contribution by emily and before we go to the news and sport, rabbijonathan romain, those little comments about you've got lots of money, you started covid, your lot, you see them on the internet but when they seep into real life, as it were, it's really upsetting and disturbing? it

were, it's really upsetting and disturbing?— were, it's really upsetting and disturbina? . ., ., ., disturbing? it is wonderfulto hear --eole like disturbing? it is wonderfulto hear people like sandra _ disturbing? it is wonderfulto hear people like sandra who _ disturbing? it is wonderfulto hear people like sandra who never- people like sandra who never experienced anti—semitism in 78 years but also hearing from emily and jake, typical of the deal and pitch out that some jews experience. for some it is a physical attack but for others it is an unpleasant online experience but my final point is anti—semitism is a problem for jews but also wider society because people who have that mindset, the stereotypes and prejudice are inevitably prejudiced and stereotypical about other elements of society as well but it is a disease within society and it is for all of us to try and combat in whatever way possible. before you go exercise your — whatever way possible. before you go exercise your large _ whatever way possible. before you go exercise your large brain _ whatever way possible. before you go exercise your large brain on _ whatever way possible. before you go exercise your large brain on this, - exercise your large brain on this, they call it the oldest hatred, through the centuries, thejews have been scapegoated, they are attacked by the far right, the far left,

these stereotypes, these grotesque cartoons that you remember and we have seen from nazi germany. it is called the oldest hatred. i am looking at the time, can you come back for a minute after the news and sport all over you in a rush? i will sport all over you in a rush? i will bet. i sport all over you in a rush? i will bet- i have _ sport all over you in a rush? i will bet. i have just _ sport all over you in a rush? i will bet. i have just looked _ sport all over you in a rush? i will bet. i have just looked at - sport all over you in a rush? i will bet. i have just looked at the - sport all over you in a rush? i will| bet. i have just looked at the club, bet. i have 'ust looked at the club, bible sorry — bet. i have just looked at the club, bible sorry i'm _ bet. i have just looked at the club, bible sorry i'm late. _ bet. i have just looked at the club, bible sorry i'm late. it _ bet. i have just looked at the club, bible sorry i'm late. it is _ bet. i have just looked at the club, bible sorry i'm late. it is 10:35am. | bible sorry i'm late. it is 10:35am. —— | bible sorry i'm late. it is 10:35am. —— i will wait. bible sorry i'm late. it is 10:35am. -- i will wait-— -- i will wait. here is the news from giuliano _ -- i will wait. here is the news from giuliano casadei. - -- i will wait. here is the news from giuliano casadei. len - -- i will wait. here is the news - from giuliano casadei. len goodman has died at the age of 78. his final appearance on strictly come dancing was on the 2016 christmas day special. he died from bone cancer. the government says it is exploring

ways of bringing british citizens trapped by the violence in sudan. the world health organization says more than 400 people have died but the death toll is believed to be much higher. public health experts say teenagers are at risk of more diseases because of vaccine risk uptake. the health security agency says fewer are being vaccinated against tetanus, tetanus, polio and meningitis than before the pandemic. bbc panorama and an opinion poll verified for that service an online poll of nearly 4600 people was carried out later that earlier this month and suggests 170% of over 60 points or support of 32% of 18—24 year old people feel the same way. tomato has your sport. tottenham manager says criticism of swiss players off air after their 6—1 humiliation at newcastle, five of the goals in the opening 21 minutes.

leaving spurs in fifth in the premier league cup, six points away from the top four. david moyes has called this one of the best mix for west ham scoring four goals in back—to—back games putting four unanswered past bournemouth. stopping at manchester city from emulating their historic treble success in 99 is at the forefront of the mind of eric tim hayek and the united boss says they will do all they can to be the rivals after setting up an fa cup final after their win against brighton. the quarterfinals of the world snooker championship line—up will be decided later, anthony mcgill and mark selby amongst those needing whilejohn higgins ronnie o'sullivan or three. adam peaty says he has been in a self—destructive spiral but hopes he is coming out of the other side. he pulled out of the british swimming championships earlier this month citing mental health issues and he

was included in the summer will championship squad. it is 10:38am and thank you for being with me this morning. we are talking about your experience of anti—semitism and i want to find out how prevalent it is. some interesting calls, we will speak to

gillian in a second and rabbi jonathan romain is still with us and virtual with us. jonathan, i wanted to ask you before you go and i appreciate your extended time with us, we are getting a lot of texts from quite a few people who are pretty dismissive of the existence of anti—semitism. do you experience that, can you understand that? is that, can you understand that? is that one of the problems? thea;r that, can you understand that? is that one of the problems? they are siml that one of the problems? they are simply wrong. _ that one of the problems? they are simply wrong. we _ that one of the problems? they are simply wrong, we have _ that one of the problems? they are simply wrong, we have heard - that one of the problems? they are i simply wrong, we have heard already just two people and i am sure you will hear more about you just need to look at the statistics that come out of the community security trust which monitors anti—semitic incidences in this country and they will give you a list of cemeteries being desecrated or people being attacked in the street particularly in north west london. particularly if they are visiblyjewish,

orthodox, jewish children coming out ofjewish day school being intimidated online abuse. this is not an anti—semitic society, we are not an anti—semitic society, we are not hiding behind ghetto walls, we are moving about freely and equally but there are incidents and to deny them is ridiculous, blindness and simply not true. i wish i could say they were right and no one is ever rude or unpleasant to any other person but that would be fun to see. there is anti—semitism but it is not endemic. there is anti-semitism but it is not endemic. ~ . . there is anti-semitism but it is not endemic. . . , ,, , endemic. what a unpleasantness is se arate endemic. what a unpleasantness is separate from _ endemic. what a unpleasantness is separate from anti-semitism, - endemic. what a unpleasantness is separate from anti-semitism, isn't| separate from anti—semitism, isn't it? i'm sorry, i missed you at... being or unpleasant to some it different than being racist? what i meant was what about the jewishness and calling them names i would not use now or using the stereotypes, because you arejewish you are rich, this come about with the other or the point you raised at the end of

your last comment about identification with israel. it is true of mostjews will support the land of israel and the people of israel and we have a special relationship with that are still many christians as the land of the bible but we are not responsible for work are not responsible for what goes on in israel were as a lot of people seem to identify goes on in israel were as a lot of people seem to identinyews with this will and think why are you doing this in gaza? i remember, i am interested in israel but you cannot blame englishjews interested in israel but you cannot blame english jews for vocal zone interested in israel but you cannot blame englishjews for vocal zone on the other side of the mediterranean. benjamin netanyahu has his coalition with the israeli zionists, and would not and i would not associate you with that in any expression. rachel, gillian coming up, what do you think of this? let me ask you your experience of anti—semitism? how much is it out there?

experience of anti-semitism? how much is it out there?— experience of anti-semitism? how much is it out there? thank you for havin: much is it out there? thank you for having me — much is it out there? thank you for having me on. _ much is it out there? thank you for having me on. it — much is it out there? thank you for having me on, it is— much is it out there? thank you for having me on, it is a _ much is it out there? thank you for having me on, it is a great - having me on, it is a great discussion. my discussion, slightly different— discussion. my discussion, slightly different in the sense that i did not go — different in the sense that i did not go up — different in the sense that i did not go up in london. i was born in israel. _ not go up in london. i was born in israel. with— not go up in london. i was born in israel, with iraqi parents and what israel, with iraqi parents and what i experienced in the uk, there is the troops — i experienced in the uk, there is the troops and anti—semitism stuff but it— the troops and anti—semitism stuff but it overlapped with straightforward racism of you guys are foreign, new show up in the middle — are foreign, new show up in the middle eastern way, intersecting with that — middle eastern way, intersecting with that. but what i would say is talking _ with that. but what i would say is talking to — with that. but what i would say is talking to people who are british jews with british heritage, it is clear— jews with british heritage, it is clear that _ jews with british heritage, it is clear that anti—semitism still is an operating — clear that anti—semitism still is an operating force within british society— operating force within british society alongside other forms of racism _ society alongside other forms of racism and there are so no information and awareness around that _ information and awareness around that i_ information and awareness around that. i think part of the reason we -et that. i think part of the reason we get into— that. i think part of the reason we get into trouble over these issues is we _ get into trouble over these issues is we need — get into trouble over these issues is we need to acknowledge that

different racism operates in different racism operates in different ways and corri wilson, racism — different ways and corri wilson, racism premised on the colour of your— racism premised on the colour of your skin — racism premised on the colour of your skin will play a part and has an impact— your skin will play a part and has an impact and so we need to find a way of— an impact and so we need to find a way of discussing these different types _ way of discussing these different types of — way of discussing these different types of racism without turning it into an _ types of racism without turning it into an oppression olympics or minimising the experience of one group _ minimising the experience of one group set — minimising the experience of one group set against the next. let�*s group set against the next. let's brina in group set against the next. let's bring in charmian, _ group set against the next. let's bring in charmian, what - group set against the next. let�*s bring in charmian, what you say? what would you like to say? if bring in charmian, what you say? what would you like to say? iii bring in charmian, what you say? what would you like to say? if i may i would like — what would you like to say? if i may i would like to _ what would you like to say? if i may i would like to comment _ what would you like to say? if i may i would like to comment on - what would you like to say? if i may i would like to comment on the - what would you like to say? if i may i would like to comment on the way| i would like to comment on the way you have _ i would like to comment on the way you have set — i would like to comment on the way you have set up _ i would like to comment on the way you have set up this _ i would like to comment on the way you have set up this particular- you have set up this particular subject — you have set up this particular subject i_ you have set up this particular subject i am _ you have set up this particular subject. i am in _ you have set up this particular subject. i am in— you have set up this particular subject. i am in you have set up this particular sub'ect. i am in �* �* subject. i am in they chat over each other and i have no problem with what diane abbott said. you have to be balanced. if you follow what she said, she gets very frustrated about the people of

colour or treated. hf frustrated about the people of colour or treated.— frustrated about the people of colour or treated. if you look at the stephen — colour or treated. if you look at the stephen lawrence - colour or treated. if you look at the stephen lawrence case, - colour or treated. if you look at the stephen lawrence case, if. colour or treated. if you look at i the stephen lawrence case, if you look at _ the stephen lawrence case, if you look at stop — the stephen lawrence case, if you look at stop and _ the stephen lawrence case, if you look at stop and search _ the stephen lawrence case, if you look at stop and search policy - the stephen lawrence case, if you look at stop and search policy and | look at stop and search policy and the numbers. _ look at stop and search policy and the numbers, institutional- look at stop and search policy and | the numbers, institutional racism, if you _ the numbers, institutional racism, if you look— the numbers, institutional racism, if you look at — the numbers, institutional racism, if you look at the _ the numbers, institutional racism, if you look at the metropolitan - if you look at the metropolitan police — if you look at the metropolitan police and _ if you look at the metropolitan police and the _ if you look at the metropolitan police and the racism - if you look at the metropolitan - police and the racism investigated there. _ police and the racism investigated there. there — police and the racism investigated there. there is _ police and the racism investigated there, there is racism _ police and the racism investigated there, there is racism in _ police and the racism investigated there, there is racism in our- there, there is racism in our society— there, there is racism in our society people _ there, there is racism in our society people are _ there, there is racism in our. society people are individuals there, there is racism in our- society people are individuals and some _ society people are individuals and some choose _ society people are individuals and some choose to _ society people are individuals and some choose to be _ society people are individuals and some choose to be racist. - society people are individuals and some choose to be racist. ok, - society people are individuals and i some choose to be racist. ok, she may not— some choose to be racist. ok, she may not have _ some choose to be racist. ok, she may not have chosen _ some choose to be racist. ok, she may not have chosen the - some choose to be racist. ok, she may not have chosen the best - some choose to be racist. ok, she may not have chosen the best wayj some choose to be racist. ok, she i may not have chosen the best way to express _ may not have chosen the best way to express her— may not have chosen the best way to express her views _ may not have chosen the best way to express her views but _ may not have chosen the best way to express her views but they— may not have chosen the best way to express her views but they are - express her views but they are valid. — express her views but they are valid. people _ express her views but they are valid, people of— express her views but they are valid, people of colour- express her views but they are valid, people of colour would i express her views but they are - valid, people of colour would have to sit— valid, people of colour would have to sit at— valid, people of colour would have to sit at the — valid, people of colour would have to sit at the back _ valid, people of colour would have to sit at the back at _ valid, people of colour would have to sit at the back at the _ valid, people of colour would have to sit at the back at the bus, - valid, people of colour would have to sit at the back at the bus, you i to sit at the back at the bus, you cannot— to sit at the back at the bus, you cannot say— to sit at the back at the bus, you cannot say it _ to sit at the back at the bus, you cannot say it is _ to sit at the back at the bus, you cannot say it is either, _ to sit at the back at the bus, you cannot say it is either, the - to sit at the back at the bus, you cannot say it is either, the duesl cannot say it is either, the dues went— cannot say it is either, the dues went to — cannot say it is either, the dues went to the _ cannot say it is either, the dues went to the holocaust, - cannot say it is either, the dues went to the holocaust, that - cannot say it is either, the duesj went to the holocaust, that was cannot say it is either, the dues i went to the holocaust, that was an evil and _ went to the holocaust, that was an evil and horrendous— went to the holocaust, that was an evil and horrendous time _ went to the holocaust, that was an evil and horrendous time of- went to the holocaust, that was an evil and horrendous time of history but both— evil and horrendous time of history but both are — evil and horrendous time of history but both are valid _ evil and horrendous time of history but both are valid and _ evil and horrendous time of history but both are valid and they - evil and horrendous time of history but both are valid and they do - evil and horrendous time of history but both are valid and they do notl but both are valid and they do not value _ but both are valid and they do not value human _ but both are valid and they do not value human beings _ but both are valid and they do not value human beings in _ but both are valid and they do not value human beings in the - but both are valid and they do not value human beings in the right. but both are valid and they do not i value human beings in the right way. i suppose. _ value human beings in the right way. lsuppose. pre-civil_ value human beings in the right way. i suppose, pre—civil rights— value human beings in the right way. i suppose, pre—civil rights america, i i suppose, pre—civil rights america, i suppose, pre—civil rights america, i wish people and jewish people and travellers were not required to sit

at the back of the bus. in apartheid south africa these groups were allowed to me an ignorant and historically illiterate dismissal of whatjewish people and indeed let's not go into now because we have not got time what irish people and the travelling community have been through. j travelling community have been throuuh. . , through. i am shocked when you see it as illiterate. _ through. i am shocked when you see it as illiterate. historically _ it as illiterate. historically illiterate _ it as illiterate. historically illiterate because - it as illiterate. historically illiterate because she - it as illiterate. historically illiterate because she is l it as illiterate. historically i illiterate because she is not it as illiterate. historically - illiterate because she is not taking into account the greatest suffering inhumanity. she into account the greatest suffering inhumani . . , into account the greatest suffering inhumanity-— into account the greatest suffering inhumani . ,, , . inhumanity. she is. as a child i saw notices no — inhumanity. she is. as a child i saw notices no blacks, _ inhumanity. she is. as a child i saw notices no blacks, no _ inhumanity. she is. as a child i saw notices no blacks, no irish, - inhumanity. she is. as a child i saw notices no blacks, no irish, no - inhumanity. she is. as a child i saw notices no blacks, no irish, no jews notices no blacks, no irish, nojews in the _ notices no blacks, no irish, nojews in the people's _ notices no blacks, no irish, nojews in the people's windows, _ notices no blacks, no irish, nojews in the people's windows, prejudice | in the people's windows, prejudice is prejudice — in the people's windows, prejudice is prejudice if_ in the people's windows, prejudice is prejudice. if you _ in the people's windows, prejudice is prejudice. if you are _ in the people's windows, prejudice is prejudice. if you are going - in the people's windows, prejudice is prejudice. if you are going to. is prejudice. if you are going to have _ is prejudice. if you are going to have a — is prejudice. if you are going to have a debate _ is prejudice. if you are going to have a debate you _ is prejudice. if you are going to have a debate you have - is prejudice. if you are going to have a debate you have to - is prejudice. if you are going to have a debate you have to be i have a debate you have to be balanced _ have a debate you have to be balanced in _ have a debate you have to be balanced in what _ have a debate you have to be balanced in what you - have a debate you have to be balanced in what you are - have a debate you have to be i balanced in what you are saying have a debate you have to be - balanced in what you are saying unto me, balanced in what you are saying unto me. mr_ balanced in what you are saying unto me. mr campbell— balanced in what you are saying unto me, mr campbell you _ balanced in what you are saying unto me, mr campbell you are _ balanced in what you are saying unto me, mr campbell you are coming - me, mr campbell you are coming across— me, mr campbell you are coming across one—sided. _ me, mr campbell you are coming across one—sided. that _ me, mr campbell you are coming across one—sided. that is - me, mr campbell you are coming across one—sided. that is not - me, mr campbell you are coming across one—sided. that is not fair

and not _ across one—sided. that is not fair and not balanced. _ across one—sided. that is not fair and not balanced. [— across one-sided. that is not fair and not balanced.— and not balanced. i respect what ou're and not balanced. i respect what you're saying — and not balanced. i respect what you're saying but _ and not balanced. i respect what you're saying but i _ and not balanced. i respect what you're saying but i do _ and not balanced. i respect what you're saying but i do not - and not balanced. i respect what you're saying but i do not agree| you're saying but i do not agree with it because it seems to be dismissing thejewish people... she dismissing the jewish people... she has not being dismissive at all. let| has not being dismissive at all. let me it has not being dismissive at all. me it again. in pre—civil rights america irish people, jewish people and travellers were not required to sit at the back of the bus, in apartheid south africa these people were allowed to bus but they were thrown into gas chambers and pits afterwards. my were amongst them. rachel, what do you think about what you are hearing? th rachel, what do you think about what you are hearing?— you are hearing? in this society we are at a very _ you are hearing? in this society we are at a very low — you are hearing? in this society we are at a very low information - you are hearing? in this society we are at a very low information point| are at a very low information point about— are at a very low information point about how— are at a very low information point about how different prejudices operate — about how different prejudices operate in society and they operate at different times and ways. what diane _ at different times and ways. what diane abbott wrote on by the way she apologised for that, we need to take that in— apologised for that, we need to take that in good faith, i do think it

minimises— that in good faith, i do think it minimises the experience of people who perhaps are quite presenting like some — who perhaps are quite presenting like some jewish people, like traveller— like some jewish people, like traveller communities and irish people — traveller communities and irish people and the roma community, they have been— people and the roma community, they have been minor at highest in a racial— have been minor at highest in a racial way. _ have been minor at highest in a racialway, race is have been minor at highest in a racial way, race is a social construct _ racial way, race is a social construct. these groups at different points _ construct. these groups at different points in _ construct. these groups at different points in history have been racially minor— points in history have been racially minor notarised and persecuted and discriminated against on that basis. i do think— discriminated against on that basis. i do think what diane abbott says minimised that and the experience of those _ minimised that and the experience of those people, gypsy, roma and traveller— those people, gypsy, roma and traveller communities and irish people — traveller communities and irish people but i think it is obvious and very clear— people but i think it is obvious and very clear that colour was plays a role in _ very clear that colour was plays a role in british society. look at the discrimination people of colour face in education, employment, housing. you look— in education, employment, housing. you lookat— in education, employment, housing. you look at the winter scandal, some people _ you look at the winter scandal, some people were — you look at the winter scandal, some people were deported from this country —

people were deported from this country -- _ people were deported from this country. —— the windrush scandal. we need _ country. —— the windrush scandal. we need to— country. —— the windrush scandal. we need to find _ country. —— the windrush scandal. we need to find a — country. —— the windrush scandal. we need to find a way to talk about it. don't _ need to find a way to talk about it. don't you — need to find a way to talk about it. don't you think diane abbott was historically illiterate, ignorant, deliberately dismissive, prejudicial in itself, what was it and how did she let michael most people are saying she seemed to dismiss the jewish experience of prejudice and murder and degradation over the years. what do you think was behind it? i years. what do you think was behind it? .. ., years. what do you think was behind it? ., ,, ., ., years. what do you think was behind it? i cannot speak to what was inside her _ it? i cannot speak to what was inside her mind _ it? i cannot speak to what was inside her mind but _ it? i cannot speak to what was inside her mind but what - it? i cannot speak to what was inside her mind but what i - it? i cannot speak to what was i inside her mind but what i can... what _ inside her mind but what i can... what does — inside her mind but what i can... what does it— inside her mind but what i can... what does it show us about a certain stand of political opinion, anything or nothing? stand of political opinion, anything or nothina ? v . stand of political opinion, anything or nothina ? �*, , , stand of political opinion, anything ornothinu? �*, , ,~ . or nothing? let's be very clear about this. — or nothing? let's be very clear about this, all _ or nothing? let's be very clear about this, all forms _ or nothing? let's be very clear about this, all forms of- or nothing? let's be very clear about this, all forms of racism j or nothing? let's be very clear- about this, all forms of racism are only~~ _ about this, all forms of racism are only~~ |_ about this, all forms of racism are onl ., ., about this, all forms of racism are onl... ., ., ., . only... i need to go back to. .. that was to you. — only... i need to go back to. .. that was to you. but — only... i need to go back to. .. that was to you, but i _ only... i need to go back to. .. that

was to you, but i need _ only... i need to go back to. .. that was to you, but i need to _ only. .. i need to go back to. .. that was to you, but i need to pick- only... i need to go back to. .. that was to you, but i need to pick up i only... i need to go back to. .. that| was to you, but i need to pick up on what we are hearing from gillian. go on. ., . , y what we are hearing from gillian. go on. ., . , , . , , on. politics, my dear. this is nothina on. politics, my dear. this is nothing to — on. politics, my dear. this is nothing to do _ on. politics, my dear. this is nothing to do with _ on. politics, my dear. this is nothing to do with politics i on. politics, my dear. this is nothing to do with politics in| on. politics, my dear. this is - nothing to do with politics in one way. _ nothing to do with politics in one way. it— nothing to do with politics in one way. it is— nothing to do with politics in one way. it is down— nothing to do with politics in one way, it is down to _ nothing to do with politics in one way, it is down to human- nothing to do with politics in one | way, it is down to human nature. nothing to do with politics in one - way, it is down to human nature. all prejudice _ way, it is down to human nature. all prejudice is— way, it is down to human nature. all prejudice is prejudice. _ way, it is down to human nature. all prejudice is prejudice. and _ way, it is down to human nature. all prejudice is prejudice. and in - way, it is down to human nature. all prejudice is prejudice. and in my. prejudice is prejudice. and in my opinion— prejudice is prejudice. and in my opinion when— prejudice is prejudice. and in my opinion when you _ prejudice is prejudice. and in my opinion when you are _ prejudice is prejudice. and in my opinion when you are speaking l prejudice is prejudice. and in my. opinion when you are speaking like you are. _ opinion when you are speaking like you are. you — opinion when you are speaking like you are. you are _ opinion when you are speaking like you are, you are showing - opinion when you are speaking like you are, you are showing as - opinion when you are speaking like you are, you are showing as muchl you are, you are showing as much prejudice — you are, you are showing as much prejudice as — you are, you are showing as much prejudice as the _ you are, you are showing as much prejudice as the next _ you are, you are showing as much prejudice as the next person. - you are, you are showing as muchj prejudice as the next person. itithe you are, you are showing as much prejudice as the next person. pre'udice as the next person. who am i prejudice as the next person. who am i re'udiced prejudice as the next person. who am i prejudiced against? _ prejudice as the next person. who am i prejudiced against? you _ prejudice as the next person. who am i prejudiced against? you sound - prejudice as the next person. who am i prejudiced against? you sound like i i pre'udiced against? you sound like ou i prejudiced against? you sound like ou are i prejudiced against? you sound like you are very — i prejudiced against? you sound like you are very against _ i prejudiced against? you sound like you are very against diane _ i prejudiced against? you sound like you are very against diane abbott. i | you are very against diane abbott. i am you are very against diane abbott. am against what she said. you are very against diane abbott. i am against what she said. i know i you are very against diane abbott. i i am against what she said. i know she said it and she _ am against what she said. i know she said it and she is _ am against what she said. i know she said it and she is heavily _ am against what she said. i know she said it and she is heavily burdened, l said it and she is heavily burdened, if you _ said it and she is heavily burdened, if you watch— said it and she is heavily burdened, if you watch other _ said it and she is heavily burdened, if you watch other things _ said it and she is heavily burdened, if you watch other things she - said it and she is heavily burdened, if you watch other things she has i if you watch other things she has said about — if you watch other things she has said about the _ if you watch other things she has said about the prejudiced - if you watch other things she has said about the prejudiced peoplej if you watch other things she has i said about the prejudiced people of colour— said about the prejudiced people of colour experienced. _ said about the prejudiced people of colour experienced. maybe, - said about the prejudiced people of colour experienced. maybe, maybe said about the prejudiced people of- colour experienced. maybe, maybe she is too _ colour experienced. maybe, maybe she is too heavy _ colour experienced. maybe, maybe she is too heavy on — colour experienced. maybe, maybe she is too heavy on that _ colour experienced. maybe, maybe she is too heavy on that site, _ colour experienced. maybe, maybe she is too heavy on that site, i _ colour experienced. maybe, maybe she is too heavy on that site, i would - is too heavy on that site, i would not say _ is too heavy on that site, i would not say no — is too heavy on that site, i would not say no to _ is too heavy on that site, i would not say no to that _ is too heavy on that site, i would not say no to that but _ is too heavy on that site, i would not say no to that but you - is too heavy on that site, i would j not say no to that but you cannot dismiss _ not say no to that but you cannot dismiss it— not say no to that but you cannot dismiss itjust _ not say no to that but you cannot dismiss itjust because _ not say no to that but you cannot dismiss itjust because it - not say no to that but you cannot dismiss itjust because it was - dismiss itjust because it was slightly— dismiss itjust because it was slightly stupid. _ dismiss itjust because it was slightly stupid, if _ dismiss itjust because it was slightly stupid, if that - dismiss itjust because it was slightly stupid, if that was i dismiss itjust because it wasi slightly stupid, if that was the case _ slightly stupid, if that was the case we — slightly stupid, if that was the case we would _ slightly stupid, if that was the case we would never - slightly stupid, if that was the case we would never watch i slightly stupid, if that was the l case we would never watch the slightly stupid, if that was the - case we would never watch the news.

lots of— case we would never watch the news. lots of stupid — case we would never watch the news. lots of stupid things _ case we would never watch the news. lots of stupid things are _ case we would never watch the news. lots of stupid things are set - case we would never watch the news. lots of stupid things are set on - case we would never watch the news. lots of stupid things are set on the i lots of stupid things are set on the news _ lots of stupid things are set on the news. ~ , . lots of stupid things are set on the news. . , . ,., lots of stupid things are set on the news. . , . . , lots of stupid things are set on the news. . ,~ . _ , lots of stupid things are set on the news. . , . . _ , , news. why are so many jewish people offended by? — news. why are so many jewish people offended by? l— news. why are so many jewish people offended by? i do _ news. why are so many jewish people offended by? i do not _ news. why are so many jewish people offended by? i do not think— news. why are so many jewish people offended by? i do not think so - news. why are so many jewish people offended by? i do not think so many. offended by? i do not think so many --eole are offended by? i do not think so many people are so _ offended by? i do not think so many people are so offended _ offended by? i do not think so many people are so offended by _ offended by? i do not think so many people are so offended by it, - offended by? i do not think so many people are so offended by it, i - offended by? i do not think so many people are so offended by it, i am i people are so offended by it, i am jewish— people are so offended by it, i am jewish and — people are so offended by it, i am jewish and i— people are so offended by it, i am jewish and i am— people are so offended by it, i am jewish and i am not— people are so offended by it, i am jewish and i am not offended - people are so offended by it, i am jewish and i am not offended by. people are so offended by it, i am| jewish and i am not offended by it, you have _ jewish and i am not offended by it, you have not — jewish and i am not offended by it, you have not spoken _ jewish and i am not offended by it, you have not spoken to _ jewish and i am not offended by it, you have not spoken to the - jewish and i am not offended by it, l you have not spoken to the majority, you have not spoken to the majority, you have _ you have not spoken to the majority, you have spoken— you have not spoken to the majority, you have spoken to _ you have not spoken to the majority, you have spoken to rabbi _ you have not spoken to the majority, you have spoken to rabbi jonathan i you have spoken to rabbi jonathan romain. _ you have spoken to rabbi jonathan romain. one — you have spoken to rabbi jonathan romain, one man— you have spoken to rabbi jonathan romain, one man and _ you have spoken to rabbi jonathan romain, one man and i— you have spoken to rabbi jonathan romain, one man and i do- you have spoken to rabbi jonathan romain, one man and i do not - you have spoken to rabbi jonathan i romain, one man and i do not agree with what— romain, one man and i do not agree with what he — romain, one man and i do not agree with what he said. _ romain, one man and i do not agree with what he said. i— romain, one man and i do not agree with what he said. i know— romain, one man and i do not agree with what he said. i know many- with what he said. i know many jewish— with what he said. i know many jewish people _ with what he said. i know many jewish people get _ with what he said. i know many jewish people get prejudice, i. with what he said. i know many- jewish people get prejudice, i agree but so _ jewish people get prejudice, i agree but so do _ jewish people get prejudice, i agree but so do people _ jewish people get prejudice, i agree but so do people of— jewish people get prejudice, i agree but so do people of colour. - jewish people get prejudice, i agree but so do people of colour. you - but so do people of colour. you cannot — but so do people of colour. you cannot say— but so do people of colour. you cannot say that _ but so do people of colour. you cannot say that one _ but so do people of colour. you cannot say that one rolls - but so do people of colour. you cannot say that one rolls out i but so do people of colour. youl cannot say that one rolls out the other— cannot say that one rolls out the otherjust — cannot say that one rolls out the otherjust because _ cannot say that one rolls out the otherjust because of— cannot say that one rolls out the otherjust because of what - cannot say that one rolls out the otherjust because of what she i cannot say that one rolls out the - otherjust because of what she said. she seems— otherjust because of what she said. she seems to — otherjust because of what she said. she seems to essence _ otherjust because of what she said. she seems to essence and - otherjust because of what she said. she seems to essence and a - otherjust because of what she said. she seems to essence and a sense i she seems to essence and a sense that i am going to attack or to make your programme. attack what she said if you are going to attack anything. this is what it is all about, to hear about what you think. thank you for allowini hear about what you think. thank you for allowing me _ hear about what you think. thank you for allowing me to _ hear about what you think. thank you for allowing me to get _ hear about what you think. thank you for allowing me to get more - hear about what you think. thank you for allowing me to get more balance l for allowing me to get more balance to your— for allowing me to get more balance to your programme _ for allowing me to get more balance to your programme. i— for allowing me to get more balance to your programme.— for allowing me to get more balance to your programme. i appreciate you comin: on to your programme. i appreciate you coming on and — to your programme. i appreciate you coming on and say _ to your programme. i appreciate you coming on and say it _

to your programme. i appreciate you coming on and say it because - to your programme. i appreciate you coming on and say it because it - to your programme. i appreciate you coming on and say it because it is i coming on and say it because it is letting people expressed through this medium exactly what they think, i am absolutely in agreement with that. . ~ .., i am absolutely in agreement with that. .~ _ i am absolutely in agreement with i that-_ goodbye- that. take care. goodbye. goodbye. chris is on the _ that. take care. goodbye. goodbye. chris is on the line. _ that. take care. goodbye. goodbye. chris is on the line. i _ that. take care. goodbye. goodbye. chris is on the line. i was _ that. take care. goodbye. goodbye. chris is on the line. i wasjust - chris is on the line. i was 'ust iisiening fl chris is on the line. i was 'ust iisiening to fl chris is on the line. i was 'ust listening to the i chris is on the line. i was 'ust listening to the lady �* chris is on the line. i wasjust listening to the lady before i chris is on the line. i wasjust - listening to the lady before about misinformation and about education. i will don't think that's a big problem now. —— i don't think. iam a christian. i was talking to another guy now, we're used to hang out together. one afternoon we were talking and like a bolt out of the blue this guy starts talking about the twin towers and how that was all down to thejews. you don't and realise chris that the holocaust is

a hoax and honestly, nikki, myjaw hit the floor! i could not believe it, this is an ordinary guy. a nice guy but he had got on the internet and it had person to him, he had listened to all these conspiracy theories and go to the library, pick up theories and go to the library, pick up a book, talk to someone a couple of generations ago and they will tell you what the jewish people of generations ago and they will tell you what thejewish people in europe went through. those people, it is getting more and more prevalent now. i have not got an axe to grind, i am notjewish and i do not know anyjewish people, there are no jews not know anyjewish people, there are nojews in my family but anti—semitism is out there and it is prevailing more because of education and because of the internet. j thihk and because of the internet. i think the lnternet — and because of the internet. i think the internet is _ and because of the internet. i think the internet is stirring _ and because of the internet. i think the internet is stirring it _ and because of the internet. i think the internet is stirring it up? - and because of the internet. i think the internet is stirring it up? i - the internet is stirring it up? i do. david bowie said way

the internet is stirring it up? u do. david bowie said way back before the internet really got started, he said the internet is going to be a great thing, wonderful thing, but it's also going to be a very dark place. it's also going to be a very dark lace. , . .. it's also going to be a very dark lace. , , ,, it's also going to be a very dark lace. , ,, . , . place. just like books, really! i am iioin to place. just like books, really! i am going to bring _ place. just like books, really! i am going to bring in — place. just like books, really! i am going to bring in the _ place. just like books, really! i am going to bring in the team - place. just like books, really! i am going to bring in the team who i place. just like books, really! i am going to bring in the team who is i place. just like books, really! i am| going to bring in the team who is in barry. hello, are you there? yes. barry. hello, are you there? yes, sir. i compliment _ barry. hello, are you there? yes, sir. i compliment you, _ barry. hello, are you there? yes, sir. i compliment you, you - barry. hello, are you there? yes, sir. i compliment you, you have i barry. hello, are you there? yes, sir. i compliment you, you have hit a really— sir. i compliment you, you have hit a really interesting subject and you are brave _ a really interesting subject and you are brave enough to hit it but i 'ust are brave enough to hit it but i just wanted to say i am a third generation holocaust survivor. my grandmother left in 1921, she saw the nazi — grandmother left in 1921, she saw the nazi occupation, went to live with her— the nazi occupation, went to live with her father had gone years before. — with her father had gone years before, her grandfather, if it was not for— before, her grandfather, if it was not for her— before, her grandfather, if it was not for her you think work nazi germany— not for her you think work nazi germany i _ not for her you think work nazi germany i would not be to you but i want _ germany i would not be to you but i want to _

germany i would not be to you but i want to say— germany i would not be to you but i want to say and i know there has been _ want to say and i know there has been a _ want to say and i know there has been a of— want to say and i know there has been a of things said against us as israelis _ been a of things said against us as israelis and — been a of things said against us as israelis and hubris. my mother went to school— israelis and hubris. my mother went to school in— israelis and hubris. my mother went to school in connecticut, the east coast _ to school in connecticut, the east coast and — to school in connecticut, the east coast and she had rocks thrown at her with _ coast and she had rocks thrown at her with her— coast and she had rocks thrown at her with her brothers and sisters. kill the _ her with her brothers and sisters. kill the christ killers, the dirty they— kill the christ killers, the dirty they chat over each other , a christian save my life from a life of crime, i was going down holocaust syndrome. my holocaust syndrome. my grandfather was terrible, my mother was a victim of his violence based upon what he experienced during the holocaust. tile. based upon what he experienced during the holocaust.— during the holocaust. no, it was some christians _ during the holocaust. no, it was some christians who _ during the holocaust. no, it was some christians who pulled - during the holocaust. no, it was some christians who pulled me. during the holocaust. no, it was - some christians who pulled me aside and got _ some christians who pulled me aside and got me _ some christians who pulled me aside and got me out of —— got me out of a life of— and got me out of —— got me out of a life of crime. — and got me out of —— got me out of a life of crime, did not force anything _ life of crime, did not force anything on me and i found living in israel— anything on me and i found living in israel we _ anything on me and i found living in israel we are just as bad as those

who have — israel we are just as bad as those who have spoken against us. there is reverse _ who have spoken against us. there is reverse discrimination that is happening. within israel presently. i live happening. within israel presently. i live there — happening. within israel presently. i live there and i know what it is like _ i live there and i know what it is like i_ i live there and i know what it is like ithink— i live there and i know what it is like. i think that we as jews i live there and i know what it is like. i think that we asjews need to do— like. i think that we asjews need to do throughout the torah tells us in isaiah— to do throughout the torah tells us in isaiah chapter58, to do throughout the torah tells us in isaiah chapter 58, if we do any religious— in isaiah chapter 58, if we do any religious function or festival will must _ religious function or festival will must go — religious function or festival will must go first and foremost to those who are _ must go first and foremost to those who are hurting, go to those that hurt or— who are hurting, go to those that hurt or have something against us and forgive — hurt or have something against us and forgive them and try to make amends — and forgive them and try to make amends. and this is something that might— amends. and this is something that might need to do because it's human nature _ might need to do because it's human nature to _ might need to do because it's human nature to have something against somebody, whether, i nature to have something against somebody, whether, lam nature to have something against somebody, whether, i am from america. — somebody, whether, i am from america, the blacks were discriminated against. but we as jews need — discriminated against. but we as jews need to say, that is enough. i think— jews need to say, that is enough. i think it _ jews need to say, that is enough. i think it was — jews need to say, that is enough. i think it was and mountain college... thank— think it was and mountain college...

thank you _ think it was and mountain college... thank you so— think it was and mountain college... thank you so much, i appreciate your call and what you say about humanity and i think we always need to remember there is a difference between the israeli government, past, present orfuture between the israeli government, past, present or future and the experiences of the momentjewish people in this country. thank you so much. it has been quite a morning cup lots of course seeing lots of different things it is all about. in the first hour will discuss the future of the monarchy because of the panorama programme tonight and then we discussed the experiences of anti—semitism and we had the sadness we have lost len goodman and i think we have lost len goodman and i think we can take a call on that and it comes from... cliff in greenwich. very quickly. go to to finish on this note. very quickly. go to to finish on this note-— very quickly. go to to finish on this note. . . ., this note. dance away. good morning.

i will this note. dance away. good morning. i will interrupt — this note. dance away. good morning. i will interrupt your _ this note. dance away. good morning. i will interrupt yourjob _ this note. dance away. good morning. i will interrupt yourjob and _ this note. dance away. good morning. i will interrupt yourjob and i _ this note. dance away. good morning. i will interrupt yourjob and i have - i will interrupt yourjob and i have to to carry on! i will interrupt your 'ob and i have to to carry oni_ to to carry on! what a shock this morning- _ to to carry on! what a shock this morning- the — to to carry on! what a shock this morning. the story _ to to carry on! what a shock this morning. the story of— to to carry on! what a shock this morning. the story of len - to to carry on! what a shock this i morning. the story of len goodman and me. my wife said to me 20 years ago will i learn to dance? and i went, all right, but you are going to have to learn to play golf so she took me down to len goodman and we got in the queue and went up to the desk and he was standing there and i said to him, how much is it and he went, £10 for your wife put your left foot comes for nothing! we were both welders, both supporters of west ham and he c diamond. we have been out in london and he has shouted out, cliff and lynn! how he remembers people, an amazing guy. remember check?— remembers people, an amazing guy. remember check? probably went for i don't know. —

remember check? probably went for i don't know. ten _ remember check? probably went for i don't know, ten years, _ remember check? probably went for i don't know, ten years, dancing - remember check? probably went for i don't know, ten years, dancing to - don't know, ten years, dancing to lessons, different lessons at his dance school, got guy.— lessons, different lessons at his dance school, got guy. what was he like as a teacher? _ dance school, got guy. what was he like as a teacher? he _ dance school, got guy. what was he like as a teacher? he could - dance school, got guy. what was he like as a teacher? he could be - dance school, got guy. what was he like as a teacher? he could be a - like as a teacher? he could be a little bit hard! — like as a teacher? he could be a little bit hard! he _ like as a teacher? he could be a little bit hard! he used - like as a teacher? he could be a little bit hard! he used to - like as a teacher? he could be a little bit hard! he used to say, i little bit hard! he used to say, it's only walking to music. th little bit hard! he used to say, it's only walking to music. in that the truth? _ it's only walking to music. in that the truth? if— it's only walking to music. in that the truth? if only _ it's only walking to music. in that the truth? if only it _ it's only walking to music. in that the truth? if only it were - it's only walking to music. in that the truth? if only it were that - the truth? if only it were that easy, i speak as someone who cannot dance, to save my life! what a character and as you say, a welder, like yourself, once upon a time. what was having a bit of a problem and my wife said, are you having a problem? and lynn said, he has got me in the well don't clap as i was going around the corner, being nervous and i grabbed her to court and he shoved me and he went, i used to be able do and i know what that feels like, a good man! iiiiuihat to be able do and i know what that feels like, a good man!— to be able do and i know what that feels like, a good man! what was the irime ti feels like, a good man! what was the prime tip you — feels like, a good man! what was the prime tip you gave — feels like, a good man! what was the prime tip you gave you _ feels like, a good man! what was the prime tip you gave you that _ feels like, a good man! what was the prime tip you gave you that you - prime tip you gave you that you remember?—

prime tip you gave you that you remember? ~ ,, . , ,., remember? me? i think there was so many instances _ remember? me? i think there was so many instances that _ remember? me? i think there was so many instances that went _ remember? me? i think there was so many instances that went on, - remember? me? i think there was so many instances that went on, it - remember? me? i think there was so many instances that went on, it was i many instances that went on, it was just an enjoyment to go and dance. he was teaching ten people at a time. yeah, he would pick up bits and pieces what you doing. there was no prime thing that he would go, you must do this or that. i think he actually said after we got into the well deck grip, he went, you need to relax a bit and i think that was it. i still do not remove lice, 20 years later on the dance floor.— i still do not remove lice, 20 years later on the dance floor. dance like no one is watching _ later on the dance floor. dance like no one is watching you, _ later on the dance floor. dance like no one is watching you, that - later on the dance floor. dance like no one is watching you, that is - later on the dance floor. dance like | no one is watching you, that is what they say! but no one is watching you, that is what the sa ! �* . no one is watching you, that is what the sa ! �* , , ., they say! but the thing is when you iet u- to they say! but the thing is when you get up to dance _ they say! but the thing is when you get up to dance and _ they say! but the thing is when you get up to dance and you _ they say! but the thing is when you get up to dance and you are - they say! but the thing is when you get up to dance and you are first i they say! but the thing is when you | get up to dance and you are first on the floor, everybody is watching! j the floor, everybody is watching! i know, thank you so much. great call to finish on. given that we have lost len goodman today at the age of

78 to bone cancer. long remembered and one of the great characters on british television. keep dancing. live from london. this is bbc news. western countries evacuate diplomats from sudan as the fighting continues, but some citizens remain stranded. two weeks before the coronation, a new bbc poll suggests less than a third of young adults in the uk want the monarchy to continue. ten years on from bangladesh's rana plaza factory disaster, how much has worker safety improved? and the former strictly come dancing head judge, len goodman has died at the age of 78. hello, i'm anjana gadgil. we start in sudan, where more than two dozen countries have been

evacuating their citizens from the capital khartoum