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live from london, this is bbc news. the head of the united nations warns the sudan conflict could engulf the entire region, as countries scramble to get foreign nationals out of the country. the fighting is now into a second week, with at least 400 dead and many more injured. meanwhile, the government here defends its attempts to protect british nationals. movement around the capital remains extremely dangerous, and no evacuation option comes without grave risk to life. a shift in population dynamics means india is about to overtake china as the world's most populous nation. the american news anchor tucker carlson is leaving the fox network. a statement says he and fox have
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agreed to part ways. a catastrophic conflagration which could engulf the region and beyond. a number of other countries are rushing to get there people out, aided by a local in the fighting today. the shortages of food and water worsen as thousands of sudanese citizens trying to flee. andrew harding has the very latest on what's happening in khartoum. khartoum today, still burning as civilians, locals and foreigners hunt for ways to escape from sudan's hellish capital. imagine the desperation. many people still can't get out.
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it's still going on. this for the last 20 minutes. like the man who filmed these images. he's from dunfermline, in fife, and was visiting relatives in sudan's capital when the fighting began, trapping his family. basically they were running along my street yesterday, last night, they were running along here and they were shooting, chasing people along the street. we're locking all the doors and we go right into the middle of the house. asked if he feels abandoned, he becomes emotional. i think they've done what they could have done and we just have to do it ourselves. in the past 2a hours, others have managed to flee — some risking everything to drive through the front lines to an airfield outside khartoum. military planes from france, germany, and elsewhere have been ferrying their citizens and many
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others to safety. imagine the relief. for those now safe like this teacher who has reached djibouti. i mean, i'm happy that i am safe. for me, in a way, it's just a little bit sad. all those colleagues left behind? yes, i mean, some of my friends that i work with, they can't leave. it must be bittersweet, you are safe and they are not. yes, it is. others are still making long overland journeys to sudan's borders. among them, british nationals who say they feel abandoned by their own government. emily keele was teaching in khartoum. imagine her mother's frustration. the reception has just been really slow. other nations have gone in and got the citizens, but our government just seems to be —
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they keep telling us they are planning, they are planning, there have been cobra meetings and there has been lots of talk on, but we need them to get in there and do it. does it feel like every man and woman for themselves? it does, it does. there's been some desperate messages and videos of people saying "i am desperate now, we have run out of food, we are running out of water." so now what? as khartoum empties out, the fear is that a power struggle between two rival military factions will turn even more violent. so far, neither side has shown any appetite for a ceasefire. the violence must stop. it risks a catastrophic conflagration within sudan that could engulf the whole region and beyond. for now, then, sudan's war goes on and with it, an exodus of civilians escaping from a country that had hoped it was on the path to democracy, not chaos. andrew harding, bbc news, johannesburg.
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the white house has demanded that warring parties in sudan adhere to an immediate ceasefire as the united states works to evacuate its citizens. white house national security adviserjake sullivan told journalists that the united states is facilitating the evacuation of its citizens. we have deployed us intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets to support land evacuation routes which americans are using. and we're moving naval assets within the region to provide support. american citizens have begun arriving in port sudan, and we are helping to facilitate their onward travel. this tragic violence has already cost the lives of hundreds of innocent civilians. it is unconscionable, it must stop. the belligerent parties must implement an immediate and unconditional cease—fire, adhere to the international law, allow unhindered humanitarian access, and respect the will of the people of sudan to return to a path of civilian rule.
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thousands of british nationals are still trapped in sudan, with frustration growing about the lack of help from the government. the foreign office minister, andrew mitchell has defended a major military operation to evacuate only embassy staff and their families over the weekend. here's our diplomatic correspondent james landale. what is the situation regarding uk nationals caught up in this crisis? well, it's estimated there are at least 4,000 britons in sudan which is, of course, a former british colony. that is far fewer than the united states, which has 16,000 nationals in sudan, but it's far more than many european and other countries which have, or had, just a few hundred nationals there. it is the difference in those numbers that are shaping the different responses. the logistic problem will be finding a way to, if you organise an evacuation, gather these people safely in a location where they could be transported to the filtration point.
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this is the big logistic problem. people say, "look at the italians, greeks and others." these small numbers. so what are the ways of getting out of sudan? well, some foreign nationals are being evacuated by air. they have got on buses in khartoum and been driven 20 miles north to a small air base at wadi seidna. from there, they have been flown largely to djibouti. others are going by sea, making the long journey first to port sudan on the coast, from where they have got a ferry across the red sea. a british frigate is already heading in that direction. and a british reconnaissance team is already in port sudan. other foreign nationals are taking the even more treacherous option of going by land, all the way to egypt in the north. but none of these are straightforward. movement around the capital remains extremely dangerous, and no evacuation option comes without grave risk to life. khartoum airport is out of action. we continue to advise all british
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nationals in sudan to stay indoors wherever possible. while we maintain the unified, international pressure for a permanent ceasefire, we are clear that the government should be evacuating as many british nationals as possible, as quickly as possible. so why is britain seemingly not doing more? the answer is that none of the evacuation options are easy. most britons are in khartoum where the fighting is fiercest — they could be attacked if they left their homes, any assembly point could become a target, and even if temporary ceasefires were agreed, there is no guarantee they would hold, which is why the official uk advice is to still stay at home. but for some uk nationals running out of food and water, that is not good enough, and they want a decision about evacuations soon. well, joining me now is safa kazzam,
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who's a swedish citizen heading to london soon to be reunited with her family. she managed to make the dangerous journey from khartoum and cross the border into egypt over the weekend with her four—year—old daughter. thank you so much for taking the time to speak to us here on bbc news, i know yourjourney was both very stressful and extremely dangerous. so tell us first of all exactly how you got yourself out of khartoum, to where you are now. yes. khartoum, to where you are now. yes, as ou've khartoum, to where you are now. yes, as you've said. — khartoum, to where you are now. yes, as you've said, it's _ khartoum, to where you are now. yes, as you've said, it's been _ khartoum, to where you are now. ye: as you've said, it's been very tough and it continues to be very tough. on saturday, 15 may, the conflict started and i was supposed to pick up my started and i was supposed to pick up my four—year—old daughter who was spending the weekend at her grandmother's house. that's when we decided that we need to get out of sudan. ., , ., ., ,., .,
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sudan. tell me a bit more about what made ou sudan. tell me a bit more about what made you make _ sudan. tell me a bit more about what made you make that _ sudan. tell me a bit more about what made you make that decision, - sudan. tell me a bit more about what made you make that decision, what i made you make that decision, what was happening to you that made you think, "right, i've got a go?" i was se arated think, "right, i've got a go?" i was separated from _ think, "right, i've got a go?" i was separated from my _ think, "right, i've got a go?" i was separated from my daughter- think, "right, i've got a go?" i —" separated from my daughter for four days, and the only way for me to find out what was happening was thanks to sudanese twitter, which is keeping us informed. and on tuesday, 18 may, their house got hit by a missile, and that's when we decided that we needed to get her out of there — before that, it was completely unsafe for her to leave and for me to join her. completely unsafe for her to leave and for me tojoin her. so once completely unsafe for her to leave and for me to join her. so once we realised that even though we are swedish citizens and the embassy and foreign ministry had offered us the opportunity to evacuate if possible, there was no sign of any evacuation any soon, and plus we were... leave
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family behind. so on thursday, 20 may, we went to egypt. i family behind. so on thursday, 20 may, we went to egypt.— may, we went to egypt. i think we are having — may, we went to egypt. i think we are having some _ may, we went to egypt. i think we are having some problems - may, we went to egypt. i think we are having some problems with i may, we went to egypt. i think we | are having some problems with the line, i'mjust are having some problems with the line, i'm just worried that we can't hear you very well. can line, i'm just worried that we can't hear you very well.— line, i'm just worried that we can't hear you very well. can you hear me? i can hear you — hear you very well. can you hear me? i can hear you now. _ hear you very well. can you hear me? i can hear you now. we _ hear you very well. can you hear me? i can hear you now. we are _ i can hear you now. we are seeing pictures now of the smoke billowing in the sky in khartoum — i think you sent our team some pictures yourself, of bullet holes in the building where you were living at the time? . , , ., the time? that is where my daughter was sta in: the time? that is where my daughter was staying at _ the time? that is where my daughter was staying at her— the time? that is where my daughter was staying at her grandmother's - was staying at her grandmother's house that was hit by a missile and completely destroyed the windows, and gunfire came into the house, into the sofas. so yeah, it was very
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intense and urgent that we get her out of there, and that we leave also in our area it was starting to intensify, so there was no option to wait for an evacuation. it hadn't been decided when it would happen. now you have family in london and southampton. 50 now you have family in london and southampton-— now you have family in london and - southampton._ you southampton. so we decided to... you have family in — southampton. so we decided to... you have family in london _ southampton. so we decided to... you have family in london and _ have family in london and southampton in the uk, are you hoping tojoin them? southampton in the uk, are you hoping to join them?— southampton in the uk, are you hoping to join them? hoping to 'oin them? yes. yes, so we currentl hoping to join them? yes. yes, so we currently have arrived _ hoping to join them? yes. yes, so we currently have arrived in _ hoping to join them? yes. yes, so we currently have arrived in egypt - - hoping to join them? yes. yes, so we currently have arrived in egypt - we i currently have arrived in egypt — we will continue to the uk probably next week. but yes, we realised we had to leave because there was no electricity, we were relying on a generator which was eventually going to run out of fuel, eventually out of food and water, we had an elderly uncle living with us who needed care, and the bombing and bullets
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just became too loud. and we also realised that people were leaving the city. realised that people were leaving the ci . , . , realised that people were leaving theci. , ., , realised that people were leaving theci . , . , ., the city. yes, many are trying to leave as best _ the city. yes, many are trying to leave as best they _ the city. yes, many are trying to leave as best they can. - the city. yes, many are trying to leave as best they can. how - leave as best they can. how difficult is it to get out of khartoum and get to places of safety from where you can move on? weill. khartoum and get to places of safety from where you can move on? well, we were extremely — from where you can move on? well, we were extremely lucky _ from where you can move on? well, we were extremely lucky that _ from where you can move on? well, we were extremely lucky that we _ from where you can move on? well, we were extremely lucky that we were - were extremely lucky that we were amongst the first that made this decision to go, so it was quite easy to find buses and transportation. however now, it is very difficult, the situation is very desperate, it's difficult for people to find buses, so people really don't have the ability to leave, whether it be going to egypt or to a safer city in the country, and there's no access to health care, and people are losing their lives because they can't get access to health care. and it's becoming more difficult also to across the border into egypt, and
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also with embassies evacuating and leaving sudanese nationals that have had their passports tied up in visa applications, and they have no way of accessing their passports any more because there's nobody at the embassies to give them their passports back. so even though the journey was externally difficult, the most difficult thing right now is knowing how desperate the situation is and trying to figure out ways, you know, to share our story and explain ourjourney so people can be encouraged to leave, as well. . ., people can be encouraged to leave, as well. ., ~ , ., people can be encouraged to leave, as well. . ~' , ., , people can be encouraged to leave, as well. ., ~ i. , . knew un figures in the last hour say india is about to overtake china as the world because �*s most populous
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country. paul morland is a demographer and author of tomorrow's people. he says the new statistics are not a surprise. the family sizes in china fell earlierthan in india, and they've gone lower than in india. and so, india is perhaps 20—30 years behind china in this respect. and so, china's getting to a declining population quicker and sooner than i think people thought. and india is indeed about to overtake it. we can't know exactly the day or the moment, butjust about now. so what does this mean? i mean, what does it mean for the global population going forward? does it make any difference who the biggest number belongs to, or is itjust the trend we need to be keeping an eye on? i think who is actually the largest is not all that significant, although it's quite important when you think that china's been the most populous state for all of human history, pretty much, so this does feel like a big moment. the key thing is that china's population, as your correspondent was saying, is actually shrinking. it's getting much older, and every year, the workforce is declining. and that makes it much, much harderfor china's economy to keep growing —
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whereas india is in that sweet spot where the family sizes are no longer that big, but they have been big historically. and so, there are lots of young workers, lots of people entering the workforce. and if they get their economic policies right, india could keep growing much longer than china. so in a way, it's not a good thing, is it, for your population to drop in terms of your future economic output? it's very good for your population to get to the point where the average woman has 2—3 children. and that's where china went through and has now come out the other side and is in a deficit... it's gone too far and too fast, partly because of the one child policy. india has taken a much gentler path, it's still at about two. although, as your correspondent was saying, some states in india, west bengal, for example, kerala actually have a lower fertility rate than the uk. others have higher, so it averages out at about two. that's a good place to be. the question is, will india follow china's lead? have too low a population
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growth and eventually a declining population, it's got a good 20—30 years before it really needs to worry about that. and what are we looking at in terms of the future for global population? are we looking at the population dropping by the end of the century, as some are predicting? every year, the growth of global population declines. it was growing 2% a year in the 60s, it's now growing about i% or less. it will grind to a halt probably some years before the end of the century. and when it gets there, you might think what a slightly smaller global population is not a big deal... but it's a good thing, don't we? in some ways it is, but the problem is to get there. you need a very old population and not a very large working population relative to its what we call a dependency ratio. and we're simply going to be short of people to do all those jobs unless suddenly, technology is... i was going to say, technology could be the answer? it could be, but i don't see it in the data yet. so we keep hoping for it and expecting it. and yet in britain, for example,
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and lots of other countries are productivity per hour worked is hardly growing at all. stephen barclay says he's up appealing to the high court to declare the strike action is unlawful. members of the royal college of nursing working in the nhs in england are preparing to take industrial action for 48 hours over the may bank holiday. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. royal weddings and their dresses have long captured the public imagination. and whilst they might not have always been wife, they have always been very elaborate. like this one, the oldest surviving royal wedding dress, dating back to the marriage of princess charlotte in 1816. as per the royal tradition in the 19th century, it was silver. the dress is part of an exhibition here at the queens gallery about fashion and the georgians. but beyond the visual splendour of the period, what
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do the clothes of this era say about the people who wore them? well, the georgians were actually highly conscious of making sustainable clothes that could be altered and reused. you can see why dresses like this one, worn at court, might have eventually made way for more streamlined silhouettes. and it was in the georgian area that breaches and stockings for men eventually died out to make way for the undeniably more practical trouser. you're live with bbc news. len goodman, ballroom dancer and tv judge who made dancing accessible to millions, has died at the age of 78. he was a dancer and teacher until, in his 60s, strictly come dancing and dancing with the stars made him famous. sarah campbell looks back at his life. let's hear from our head judge, len goodman. if you don't get four tens on that, i'm going to go home and pickle me walnuts! he was strictly�*s twinkly
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fountain of wit and wisdom. yum, yum, pig's burn, that was fun! you dance like i cook, just chuck it all in and hope for the best! honest if he didn't like it... your bum! it was like you were chewing a toffee! seven! ..full of praise if he did. it was knockout. well done. from len, a ten. in his youth, len goodman was a champion dancer himself, quitting his job as a welder to turn professional. he quietly ran a dance school in kent until he was 60. music: strictly come dancing theme. then, to his surprise, the bbc called. let's hear from our head judge, len goodman, one of the most respected ballroom and latinjudges in the country. in the cha—cha—cha, i look for three things — rhythm, rhythm, rhythm. why, why, why?
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he did 14 seasons of strictly. it was a hodgepodge of moves, just out there to titillate the taste buds. where's the chasse capes? where's the twist turns? where's the recognisable paso doble? and crossed the atlantic as head judge of america's dancing with the stars. i don't want to see flashing lights, crashing music! i don't want any skidding. at an age when most are thinking of retirement... love it! ..he found himself offered travel programmes... dave, you're getting a ten from len! ..documentaries... looks all innocent now — but once upon a time, dancing was a hotbed of hormones and romance. ..even game shows. if you've got the time... crowd: len's got the rhyme! he left strictly in 2016, bathed in respect and affection.
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your best dance. yes! len goodman, the east end boy... it's like looking in a mirror! ..who became the star of saturday night. let's speak to camilla sacre—dallerup, who's a former professional dancer on strictly come dancing, winning the series in 2008 with actor tom chambers. so good to have you on the programme, thanks for taking the time this week with us in what is obviously a very sad occasion. i wonder if you could tell me first of all, what are your best memories of working with len? just all, what are your best memories of working with len?— working with len? just listening to all the words _ working with len? just listening to all the words in _ working with len? just listening to all the words in that _ working with len? just listening to all the words in that montage - working with len? just listening to all the words in that montage just| all the words in that montage just then, it meant so much for all of us to get a tan from the land, because his opinion mattered. i think for
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me, being in there with him at the beginning, his integrity towards the actual technique of the ballroom dancing, he cupped a our toes, he wanted to bring you back to the hole in technique of it, and he had such a passion for the dance. so many memories, i wouldn't even know where to begin, but i remember standing memories, i wouldn't even know where to begin, but i rememberstanding in front of him and just wanting to complement my partners, and when he did, it was democrat lifted them for the whole week. when he was harsh, giving them a seven instead of nine, they thought, "we need to please len, we need to go do better." please tell me about the early days? because i know from speaking to your colleague earlier, len was actually a teacher, he worked in a dance studio until the age of 60, then got the call up from the bbc. so he wasn't used to being on tv — i guess
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none of you were, how did they all change the way your lives were lived in those days?— in those days? hugely and completely. _ in those days? hugely and completely, but _ in those days? hugely and completely, but i - in those days? hugely and completely, but i think - in those days? hugely and - completely, but i think for len, i remember when we would travel around europe — when len would get on the mic, he was always charming and entertaining, and that never changed. so when he got the gig on bbc, i rememberthe time changed. so when he got the gig on bbc, i remember the time brenda and i were like, "of course, who else would it have been?" he was so brilliant on the mike anyways, so was like he came home to the show. what was it like when he was working with the otherjudges? because there was a bit of a difference between the way he worked and the way the otherjudges, like craig for example, used to work, and bruno? i think that's why it worked, everybody brought a different element, and we all left when len would say, "too commercial, too many lifts and all that," and they would
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have those disagreements, but we all knew that there was great love and respect between them all, and between everybody on the show. and i think he had such a beautiful way about him where, if he had been tough with the score, he would come up tough with the score, he would come up to celebrities after some time and go, "that was a shame today, next week is another week," there was just a kindness there. and wasjust a kindness there. and finally before _ wasjust a kindness there. and finally before i _ wasjust a kindness there. and finally before i let _ wasjust a kindness there. and finally before i let you go, i know you've said you have so many amazing memories of working with len, but what was the feeling like to get a ten from len?— what was the feeling like to get a ten from len? ~ ., , ., ten from len? when we want the show and he “ust ten from len? when we want the show and he just looked _ ten from len? when we want the show and he just looked over _ ten from len? when we want the show and he just looked over and _ ten from len? when we want the show and he just looked over and was - and hejust looked over and was like, "that was good," you just knew — it felt amazing, of course. camilla, thank you so much for coming onto the bbc and sharing your memories with us.— coming onto the bbc and sharing your memories with us._ you . coming onto the bbc and sharing your| memories with us._ you can memories with us. thank you. you can read more on — memories with us. thank you. you can read more on that _ memories with us. thank you. you can read more on that story _ memories with us. thank you. you can read more on that story about - memories with us. thank you. you can read more on that story about len - read more on that story about len goodman passing away at the age of 78 on the bbc�*s website, as well as other stories, there is a life page
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giving you all the latest on what's happening in sudan. stay with us here on bbc news. plenty more to come. hello there. the weather's been quite mixed today. we've seen some heavy, in fact thundery rain across parts of southern england. further north, it's been brighter with sunny spells, scattered showers. some of these have been wintry in nature. tonight, the colder air advances southwards to pretty much all areas, and with light winds and clearing skies, it's going to be a perfect recipe for some frost. so, gardeners and growers, take note. we will continue with the peppering of showers, northern and eastern scotland, north sea coasts of england. and again, they will have a wintry element to them. you can see widespread blue colours indicating a widespread rural frost, down to “i! or —5 celsius across central and northern parts of the uk. so we're waking up to blue skies, but plenty of frost tomorrow morning. early mist and fog clears away. the frost and the fog will clear very quickly as the temperatures rise, and as the temperatures rise,
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we'll see some fairweather cloud building through the afternoon. but still a peppering of showers northern, eastern scotland, eastern england. again, they will be wintry in nature, and a chilly day to come. temperatures of 6—11 degrees further south. now, through tuesday night, temperatures take a tumble again across northern areas. wintry showers continuing for northern scotland, but thicker cloud will be pushing into parts of england, wales, perhaps northern ireland as well. so temperatures here not as low as what we'll see tonight, but another cold one certainly across northern england, scotland. temperatures perhaps in a few spots below —5 celsius. for wednesday, then, we start to see these weather fronts trying to push into the south and the west of the uk associated with low pressure, and that will start to push some milder air in here. but it's going to be a rather cloudy, dull day, ithink. probably the best of any brightness the far north, north—east of the uk. again it's going to be another cold day here. temperatures slowly recovering across the far south and south—west, 13—14 degrees. now that low pressure's
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still with these weather fronts. milder air continues to journey northwards on thursday, so it could be that much of england, wales, northern ireland will see those weather fronts. thicker cloud, outbreaks of rain, some of it heavy at times, and the milder air. whereas again, the far north of england, scotland still poking out into the high pressure and the cold air. another chilly day to come here, but we start to see those temperatures recover across the south. we could be up to 111—15 degrees thursday afternoon across some southern areas. the mild air does win out, though. friday into the weekend, it will be turning milderfor all areas, and there will be quite a lot of cloud, some rain around, too.
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this is bbc news. the headlines — the head of the un warns the sudan conflict could engulf the wider region as the scramble to get foreign nationals out of the country continues. the british government defends its response to the situation. the american news anchor tucker carlson is leaving the fox network. a statement says he and fox have "agreed to part ways". two weeks before the coronation, a new bbc poll suggests less than a third of young adults in the uk want the monarchy to continue. and the former strictly head judge len goodman has died at the age of 78.

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