good morning. how are you? it is the nation's phone in. very welcome, get in touch. this is the question about which you may want to talk. are coronation protests 0k? the home office has written to anti—monarchist groups ahead of saturday's coronation ceremony, warning them about new powers the police have to prevent disruption.

basically, dear sir or madam, behave. republicans want reassurance from the home office they will still be able to make their feelings known, this issue at the very heart of who we are, what we are as a nation and where we are going. that is what they argue and they want to argue. the public order act 2023 was given royal assent by king charles iii yesterday. it means protesters who block roads, airports or railways could be jailed for a year, six months if you lock yourself to a building. more powers for the police to stop and search you if they think you're out to cause disruption. definitions of disruption are interesting as well. it is time to show what you make of the whole rigmarole. when the queen died, protesters were told to stay away as a mark of respect and maybe they

should do their protests at the coronation. well, it is. that is the question, what do you think, our coronation protest ok? security minister tom tugendhat says britain is "prepared for the security challenge" of king charles�* coronation at the weekend. he has also told the bbc he's proud of the police response last night after a man was arrested outside buckingham palace for throwing suspected shotgun cartridges into palace grounds. the incident is not being treated as terror—related. the deadline for british nationals hoping to get the last raf evacuation flight out of sudan has just passed. those trapped by the fighting were urged to get to a hotel in port sudan, around 500 miles

from the capital khartoum. a man is due in court this morning charged with murder in connection with a fatal stabbing in cornwall on sunday. jake hill, who's 2a and from bodmin, is also accused of attempted murder. 32—year—old michael allen suffered fatal injuries near a nightclub in the town. and, shares in a number of textbook publishers and online tutoring companies have collapsed after they warned ai technology was harming their businesses. they say that students are now turning to ai chatbots like chatgpt for help rather than using traditional resources.

that's what people who are looking forward to the coronation are saying and what the government are saying through this letter. they are saying, just for one day, don't glue yourself, don't throw eggs. i am i'm sure it is the sentiment of quite a few people. i am asking you, do you think they protest to much and certainly should they be doing it on saturday? if you don't like it, watch the other succession, season four, episode three, have you seen that? it is taking up police time and there are security issues. the world is watching and there are many foreign dignitaries. but the right to protest is a crowning glory in our democracy and the jewel in the crown of where we are as a nation as compared to so many others as well. this is an issue at the core of our

democracy, why shouldn't you be able to shout an abusive word at prince andrew or shout, "not my king", glue yourself to the road, stick to principles. what you think. simon hill, antimonarchist. he was arrested during the proclamation ceremony of king charles iii. the charges were later dropped. goad charges were later dropped. good mornin: , charges were later dropped. good morning, simon _ charges were later dropped. good morning, simon how— charges were later dropped. good morning, simon how are - charges were later dropped. (emf. morning, simon how are you? good morning, simon how are you? good morning, good to be on the show. always good to talk to. sarah, how are you? i always good to talk to. sarah, how are ou? . ., ~ ,, always good to talk to. sarah, how i are you?_ steve are you? i am fine, thank you. steve cook is here — are you? i am fine, thank you. steve cook is here from _ are you? i am fine, thank you. steve cook is here from republic— are you? i am fine, thank you. steve cook is here from republic uk, - are you? i am fine, thank you. steve cook is here from republic uk, i - cook is here from republic uk, i wonder what he will say. and paula in prestatyn. wonder what he will say. and paula in prestatyn-_ wonder what he will say. and paula in prestatyn.- paula, - wonder what he will say. and paula in prestatyn.- paula, what. wonder what he will say. and paula in prestatyn. hello. paula, what do ou think in prestatyn. hello. paula, what do you think about _ in prestatyn. hello. paula, what do you think about the _ in prestatyn. hello. paula, what do you think about the new _ in prestatyn. hello. paula, what do you think about the new law, - in prestatyn. hello. paula, what do you think about the new law, it -

in prestatyn. hello. paula, what do you think about the new law, it has not been brought in specifically, the timing, it would have happened anyway, but what do you think about the message given to protesters and republicans this weekend? it has been brought _ republicans this weekend? it has been brought in _ republicans this weekend? it has been brought in to _ republicans this weekend? it has been brought in to minimise - been brought in to minimise disruption, especially of the coronation, it is a special day. the least disruption that can be brought, the best for everybody. who; brought, the best for everybody. why is that? it just — brought, the best for everybody. why is that? it just means _ brought, the best for everybody. why is that? it just means the _ brought, the best for everybody. why is that? it just means the day - brought, the best for everybody. why is that? it just means the day will. is that? it 'ust means the day will run is that? it just means the day will run smooth, _ is that? it just means the day will run smooth, people _ is that? it just means the day will run smooth, people might - is that? it just means the day will run smooth, people might think. is that? it just means the day will. run smooth, people might think less about turning up to protest or to go to protest, definitely a peaceful protest. itjust gives out that message. d0 protest. it 'ust gives out that message.— message. do you think of all occasions, — message. do you think of all occasions, give _ message. do you think of all occasions, give it _ message. do you think of all occasions, give it a - message. do you think of all occasions, give it a rest - message. do you think of all occasions, give it a rest on l message. do you think of all i occasions, give it a rest on this one? w occasions, give it a rest on this one? ., ., ., ~ ., , occasions, give it a rest on this one? ., ., ., , ., _ one? no, i am from wales, obviously

bi kin: one? no, i am from wales, obviously big king charles _ one? no, i am from wales, obviously big king charles was _ one? no, i am from wales, obviously big king charles was prince _ one? no, i am from wales, obviously big king charles was prince of - one? no, i am from wales, obviously big king charles was prince of wales. big king charles was prince of wales for many years and i watched a programme last night on bbc one and part of the investiture in caernarfon and there was a potential bombing and people were killed, which i didn't realise. loads of protest and you just want the data go smoothly as possible for everybody, you have got to of safety first. ,,. ., everybody, you have got to of safety first, ,,., ., ., everybody, you have got to of safety first. ., ., ., , ., everybody, you have got to of safety first. sarah, what do you think? i auree first. sarah, what do you think? i agree with _ first. sarah, what do you think? i agree with the — first. sarah, what do you think? i agree with the last _ first. sarah, what do you think? i agree with the last caller. - first. sarah, what do you think? i agree with the last caller. there l first. sarah, what do you think? i l agree with the last caller. there is agree with the last caller. there is a time _ agree with the last caller. there is a time and — agree with the last caller. there is a time and place for protest. it is the minority going against the majority _ the minority going against the majority. it is a great window of opportunity for britain to show all its glory— opportunity for britain to show all its glory to the world, it is a fabulous _ its glory to the world, it is a fabulous day. can you not do it on another_ fabulous day. can you not do it on another day— fabulous day. can you not do it on another day and may be do in a big park somewhere, don't glue yourself to a road _ park somewhere, don't glue yourself to a road or— park somewhere, don't glue yourself to a road or anywhere. i don't know what _ to a road or anywhere. idon't know what they— to a road or anywhere. i don't know what they might do, i have no idea, but give _ what they might do, i have no idea, but give it— what they might do, i have no idea, but give it a — what they might do, i have no idea, but give it a rest, please. sorry.

don't _ but give it a rest, please. sorry. don't apologise, it is about hearing everybody because macro views on this. you can speak to steve about this. you can speak to steve about this and your message is give it a rest. . . this and your message is give it a rest. . , ., , ., ., rest. please, let others have a brilliant time, _ rest. please, let others have a brilliant time, the _ rest. please, let others have a brilliant time, the economy . rest. please, let others have a | brilliant time, the economy and rest. please, let others have a - brilliant time, the economy and the clubs. _ brilliant time, the economy and the clubs, everything, let'sjust enjoy it for— clubs, everything, let'sjust enjoy it forz4— clubs, everything, let'sjust enjoy it for 24 hours, please. i clubs, everything, let's 'ust en'oy it for 24 hours, pleasei it for 24 hours, please. i think it was going _ it for 24 hours, please. i think it was going to _ it for 24 hours, please. i think it was going to be _ it for 24 hours, please. i think it was going to be one _ it for 24 hours, please. i think it was going to be one of- it for 24 hours, please. i think it was going to be one of the - it for 24 hours, please. i think it l was going to be one of the largest protest _ was going to be one of the largest protest at — was going to be one of the largest protest at a — was going to be one of the largest protest at a major _ was going to be one of the largest protest at a major royal— was going to be one of the largest protest at a major royal event. ifi protest at a major royal event. if it is a _ protest at a major royal event. if it is a small— protest at a major royal event. if it is a small minority— protest at a major royal event. if it is a small minority of— protest at a major royal event. if it is a small minority of people, i it is a small minority of people, there _ it is a small minority of people, there are — it is a small minority of people, there are millions— it is a small minority of people, there are millions of— it is a small minority of people, i there are millions of republicans it is a small minority of people, - there are millions of republicans in this countrv — there are millions of republicans in this country. you _ there are millions of republicans in this country-— this country. you got any figures for that, have _ this country. you got any figures for that, have you? _ this country. you got any figures for that, have you? yes, - this country. you got any figures for that, have you? yes, 5896 . this country. you got any figures for that, have you? yes, 5896 ml for that, have you? yes, 5896 in su ort. for that, have you? yes, 5896 in support. millions _ for that, have you? yes, 5896 in support. millions of _ for that, have you? yes, 5896 in support. millions of people... l for that, have you? yes, 5896 in l support. millions of people... can for that, have you? yes, 5896 in . support. millions of people... can i 'ust support. millions of people... can i just sav--- — support. millions of people... can i just sav--- can _ support. millions of people... can i just say... can you _ support. millions of people... can i just say... can you let _ support. millions of people... can i just say... can you let me - support. millions of people... can i just say... can you let me speak. l support. millions of people... can i just say... can you let me speak. i | just say... can you let me speak. i don't just say. .. can you let me speak. i don't know— just say... can you let me speak. i don't know who _ just say... can you let me speak. i don't know who puts _ just say... can you let me speak. i don't know who puts these - just say... can you let me speak. i don't know who puts these votes l just say... can you let me speak. i i don't know who puts these votes on,

i have no idea,? don't know who puts these votes on, i have no idea,?— i have no idea,? they are tolls from eo - le i have no idea,? they are tolls from people across _ i have no idea,? they are tolls from people across the _ i have no idea,? they are tolls from people across the population. - i have no idea,? they are tolls from people across the population. you l people across the population. you either— people across the population. you either recognise _ people across the population. you either recognise them _ people across the population. you either recognise them or- people across the population. you either recognise them or you - people across the population. you| either recognise them or you don't but it— either recognise them or you don't but it doesn't _ either recognise them or you don't but it doesn't change _ either recognise them or you don't but it doesn't change the - either recognise them or you don't but it doesn't change the fact. - either recognise them or you don't. but it doesn't change the fact. from a republic— but it doesn't change the fact. from a republic point— but it doesn't change the fact. from a republic point of— but it doesn't change the fact. from a republic point of view, _ but it doesn't change the fact. from a republic point of view, we - but it doesn't change the fact. from a republic point of view, we have i a republic point of view, we have been _ a republic point of view, we have been in _ a republic point of view, we have been in discussion— a republic point of view, we have been in discussion with - a republic point of view, we have been in discussion with the - a republic point of view, we havel been in discussion with the police for months — been in discussion with the police for months now— been in discussion with the police for months now and _ been in discussion with the police for months now and are - been in discussion with the police for months now and are protest, i been in discussion with the police - for months now and are protest, what we are _ for months now and are protest, what we are going — for months now and are protest, what we are going to— for months now and are protest, what we are going to do— for months now and are protest, what we are going to do is— for months now and are protest, what we are going to do is find. _ for months now and are protest, what we are going to do is find. wait- for months now and are protest, what we are going to do is find.— we are going to do is find. wait a minute. we are going to do is find. wait a minute- the _ we are going to do is find. wait a minute. the right _ we are going to do is find. wait a minute. the right to _ we are going to do is find. wait a minute. the right to protest - we are going to do is find. wait a minute. the right to protest on l we are going to do is find. wait a l minute. the right to protest on the right to talk for a second. let's hear from sea. right to talk for a second. let's hearfrom sea. sarah, i understand. your right to protest about what he's saying, isn't it wonderful living in a democracy. i will come back to you in a minute. steve? in terms of the protest, the reason we are doing _ terms of the protest, the reason we are doing this, — terms of the protest, the reason we are doing this, the _ terms of the protest, the reason we are doing this, the polls _ terms of the protest, the reason we are doing this, the polls show- are doing this, the polls show support— are doing this, the polls show support for— are doing this, the polls show support for the _ are doing this, the polls show support for the monarchy- are doing this, the polls show support for the monarchy is l support for the monarchy is dropping _ support for the monarchy is dropping the _ support for the monarchy is dropping. the aim - support for the monarchy is dropping. the aim is- support for the monarchy is dropping. the aim is to - support for the monarchy is. dropping. the aim is to show support for the monarchy is - dropping. the aim is to show on the day there _ dropping. the aim is to show on the day there are — dropping. the aim is to show on the day there are significant _ dropping. the aim is to show on the day there are significant number- dropping. the aim is to show on the day there are significant number ofi day there are significant number of people _ day there are significant number of people who — day there are significant number of people who are _ day there are significant number of people who are not _ day there are significant number of people who are not in _ day there are significant number of people who are not in favour- day there are significant number of people who are not in favour of- day there are significant number of people who are not in favour of the monarchv — people who are not in favour of the

monarchv we _ people who are not in favour of the monarchy. we are _ people who are not in favour of the monarchy. we are frequently- people who are not in favour of the monarchy. we are frequently told, | monarchy. we are frequently told, now monarchy. we are frequently told, how is _ monarchy. we are frequently told, how is not — monarchy. we are frequently told, how is not the _ monarchy. we are frequently told, now is not the right _ monarchy. we are frequently told, now is not the right time, - monarchy. we are frequently told, now is not the right time, when i monarchy. we are frequently told, now is not the right time, when is| now is not the right time, when is the right— now is not the right time, when is the right time? _ now is not the right time, when is the right time? people _ now is not the right time, when is the right time? people have - now is not the right time, when is the right time? people have saidl now is not the right time, when is l the right time? people have said do it after— the right time? people have said do it after the — the right time? people have said do it after the coronation, _ the right time? people have said do it after the coronation, is _ the right time? people have said do it after the coronation, is the - it after the coronation, is the press — it after the coronation, is the press going _ it after the coronation, is the press going to _ it after the coronation, is the press going to be _ it after the coronation, is the press going to be interestedl it after the coronation, is the. press going to be interested in talking — press going to be interested in talking about _ press going to be interested in talking about the _ press going to be interested in talking about the issue - press going to be interested in talking about the issue then? i press going to be interested in- talking about the issue then? people protest _ talking about the issue then? people protest because _ talking about the issue then? people protest because traditional _ talking about the issue then? people protest because traditional routes i protest because traditional routes have failed — protest because traditional routes have failed. as _ protest because traditional routes have failed. as long _ protest because traditional routes have failed. as long as _ protest because traditional routes have failed. as long as it- protest because traditional routes have failed. as long as it is- have failed. as long as it is peaceful— have failed. as long as it is peaceful and _ have failed. as long as it is peaceful and it _ have failed. as long as it is peaceful and it is _ have failed. as long as it is peaceful and it is exactly . have failed. as long as it is. peaceful and it is exactly what have failed. as long as it is- peaceful and it is exactly what we are going — peaceful and it is exactly what we are going to — peaceful and it is exactly what we are going to do. _ peaceful and it is exactly what we are going to do, be _ peaceful and it is exactly what we are going to do, be there - peaceful and it is exactly what we are going to do, be there in - peaceful and it is exactly what we are going to do, be there in largej are going to do, be there in large numbers— are going to do, be there in large numbers with _ are going to do, be there in large numbers with our— are going to do, be there in large numbers with our banners. - are going to do, be there in large numbers with our banners. fire . are going to do, be there in large numbers with our banners. are you auoin to numbers with our banners. are you going to be — numbers with our banners. are you going to be lining _ numbers with our banners. are you going to be lining the _ numbers with our banners. are you going to be lining the traditional i going to be lining the traditional roots, as you said, shouting? chanting, yes. other people will be cheering _ chanting, yes. other people will be cheering and — chanting, yes. other people will be cheering and we _ chanting, yes. other people will be cheering and we have _ chanting, yes. other people will be cheering and we have our— chanting, yes. other people will be cheering and we have our right - chanting, yes. other people will be cheering and we have our right to l chanting, yes. other people will bel cheering and we have our right to do at it and _ cheering and we have our right to do at it and it _ cheering and we have our right to do at it and it is— cheering and we have our right to do at it and it is not _ cheering and we have our right to do at it and it is not in _ cheering and we have our right to do at it and it is not in our— at it and it is not in our agreement _ at it and it is not in our agreement. it- at it and it is not in our agreement. it is- at it and it is not in our agreement. it is a - at it and it is not in our agreement. it is a bit i at it and it is not in our- agreement. it is a bit draconian at it and it is not in our— agreement. it is a bit draconian and this is— agreement. it is a bit draconian and this is for— agreement. it is a bit draconian and this is for people _ agreement. it is a bit draconian and this is for people don't _ agreement. it is a bit draconian and this is for people don't understand, | this is for people don't understand, the word _ this is for people don't understand, the word disrupt _ this is for people don't understand, the word disrupt has _ this is for people don't understand, the word disrupt has been - this is for people don't understand, the word disrupt has been used - the word disrupt has been used deviouslv _ the word disrupt has been used deviouslv i_ the word disrupt has been used deviously. idon't— the word disrupt has been used deviously. i don't agree - the word disrupt has been used deviously. i don't agree with i the word disrupt has been used - deviously. i don't agree with people glueing _ deviously. idon't agree with people glueing themselves— deviously. i don't agree with people glueing themselves to _ deviously. i don't agree with people glueing themselves to the - deviously. i don't agree with people i glueing themselves to the pavement,

it is pointless — glueing themselves to the pavement, it is pointless and _ glueing themselves to the pavement, it is pointless and it— glueing themselves to the pavement, it is pointless and it doesn't— glueing themselves to the pavement, it is pointless and it doesn't win - it is pointless and it doesn't win people — it is pointless and it doesn't win people over. _ it is pointless and it doesn't win people over. but _ it is pointless and it doesn't win people over, but we _ it is pointless and it doesn't win people over, but we have - it is pointless and it doesn't win people over, but we have a - it is pointless and it doesn't wini people over, but we have a right it is pointless and it doesn't win . people over, but we have a right to be there _ people over, but we have a right to be there and — people over, but we have a right to be there and make _ people over, but we have a right to be there and make our— people over, but we have a right to be there and make our point. - people over, but we have a right to be there and make our point. whatj people over, but we have a right toi be there and make our point. what i would _ be there and make our point. what i would say, _ be there and make our point. what i would say, we — be there and make our point. what i would say, we just— be there and make our point. what i would say, we just want _ be there and make our point. what i would say, we just want to - be there and make our point. what i would say, we just want to be - would say, we just want to be present— would say, we just want to be present and _ would say, we just want to be present and make _ would say, we just want to be present and make our- would say, we just want to be present and make our voice . would say, we just want to be - present and make our voice known. it needs— present and make our voice known. it needs to _ present and make our voice known. it needs to be _ present and make our voice known. it needs to be discussed _ present and make our voice known. it needs to be discussed so _ present and make our voice known. it needs to be discussed so it— present and make our voice known. it needs to be discussed so it cannot. needs to be discussed so it cannot be ignored — needs to be discussed so it cannot be ignored-— needs to be discussed so it cannot be innored. ., . ~ ., . be ignored. you make an important oint be ignored. you make an important point about — be ignored. you make an important point about what _ be ignored. you make an important point about what is _ be ignored. you make an important point about what is disrupt - be ignored. you make an important point about what is disrupt and - point about what is disrupt and there seems to be some elasticity to there seems to be some elasticity to the definition, so do you get that, sarah? ., ., �* , sarah? no, i don't get it. sorry, i don't aet sarah? no, i don't get it. sorry, i don't get it- _ sarah? no, i don't get it. sorry, i don't get it- i _ sarah? no, i don't get it. sorry, i don't get it. i am _ sarah? no, i don't get it. sorry, i don't get it. i am a _ sarah? no, i don't get it. sorry, i don't get it. i am a royalist - sarah? no, i don't get it. sorry, i don't get it. i am a royalist and l sarah? no, i don't get it. sorry, i don't get it. i am a royalist and i | don't get it. i am a royalist and i think— don't get it. i am a royalist and i think they— don't get it. i am a royalist and i think they do so much good for the country. _ think they do so much good for the country. i— think they do so much good for the country, i have said it so many times — country, i have said it so many times they— country, i have said it so many times. they do a great job. country, i have said it so many times. they do a greatjob. this country, i have said it so many times. they do a great job. times. they do a great “0b. this is what nets times. they do a great “0b. this is what gets peddled. _ times. they do a great job. this is what gets peddled. you _ times. they do a great job. this is what gets peddled. you say - times. they do a great job. this is what gets peddled. you say they i times. they do a great job. this is. what gets peddled. you say they do times. they do a great job. this is i what gets peddled. you say they do a lot of good _ what gets peddled. you say they do a lot of good for— what gets peddled. you say they do a lot of good for the _ what gets peddled. you say they do a lot of good for the country, _ what gets peddled. you say they do a lot of good for the country, but - lot of good for the country, but there _ lot of good for the country, but there are — lot of good for the country, but there are a _ lot of good for the country, but there are a lot— lot of good for the country, but there are a lot of— lot of good for the country, but there are a lot of arguments i lot of good for the country, but i there are a lot of arguments that say they— there are a lot of arguments that say they don't _ there are a lot of arguments that say they don't-— there are a lot of arguments that say they don't. have you created a million jobs _ say they don't. have you created a million jobs for _ say they don't. have you created a million jobs for young _ say they don't. have you created a million jobs for young people, - say they don't. have you created a | million jobs for young people, have millionjobs for young people, have you helped a million young people?

could _ you helped a million young people? could the _ you helped a million young people? could the prince's trust do this without— could the prince's trust do this without the _ could the prince's trust do this without the royal— could the prince's trust do this without the royal family? - without the royal family? absolutely. _ without the royal family? absolutely. it _ without the royal family? absolutely. it is - without the royal family? absolutely. it is a - without the royal family? i absolutely. it is a charitable organisation. _ absolutely. it is a charitable organisation.— absolutely. it is a charitable oruanisation. ., , organisation. who foots the bill? are ou organisation. who foots the bill? are you telling — organisation. who foots the bill? are you telling me _ organisation. who foots the bill? are you telling me that _ organisation. who foots the bill? are you telling me that charles i are you telling me that charles manages — are you telling me that charles manages to— are you telling me that charles manages to spend _ are you telling me that charles manages to spend every - are you telling me that charlesi manages to spend every waking are you telling me that charles - manages to spend every waking hour on the _ manages to spend every waking hour on the princes — manages to spend every waking hour on the princes trust? _ manages to spend every waking hour on the princes trust?— manages to spend every waking hour on the princes trust? somebody needs to head it up- — on the princes trust? somebody needs to head it up. listen, _ on the princes trust? somebody needs to head it up. listen, hang _ on the princes trust? somebody needs to head it up. listen, hang on - on the princes trust? somebody needs to head it up. listen, hang on a - to head it up. listen, hang on a second. to head it up. listen, hang on a second- sorry — to head it up. listen, hang on a second. sorry for— to head it up. listen, hang on a second. sorry for shouting. - to head it up. listen, hang on a . second. sorry for shouting. don't wor . second. sorry for shouting. don't worry- hang _ second. sorry for shouting. don't worry- hang on _ second. sorry for shouting. don't worry- hang on a _ second. sorry for shouting. don't worry. hang on a second, - second. sorry for shouting. don't worry. hang on a second, let - second. sorry for shouting. don't worry. hang on a second, let me| worry. hang on a second, let me bring eileen in n dorset and also simon, it is rather well set out by sarah and steve. the different sides of this royal coin. eileen, the right to protest, is it important these people are there chanting and shouting or should theyjust have a

little bit of respect? shouting or should they 'ust have a little bit of respect?_ shouting or should they 'ust have a little bit of respect? good morning. good morning, _ little bit of respect? good morning. good morning, eileen. _ little bit of respect? good morning. good morning, eileen. as— little bit of respect? good morning. good morning, eileen. as the - little bit of respect? good morning. | good morning, eileen. as the public are funding — good morning, eileen. as the public are funding this _ good morning, eileen. as the public are funding this coronation - good morning, eileen. as the public are funding this coronation in - good morning, eileen. as the public are funding this coronation in the i are funding this coronation in the public have the right to make their opinions felt whether they support it or whether they object to it. and as far as those objecting to it, those protests are peaceful, then i don't see any problem, i don't see why they should be restricted from that. when you think the majority of the people in this country now are living in poverty and the government say they cannot afford a decent living wage for our public service workers and yet we are having to pay for a coronation for a billionaire who is well placed to pay for everything himself. ijust think it is outrageous and therefore i don't

see why we should not be able to make our opinions felt. share see why we should not be able to make our opinions felt.— see why we should not be able to make our opinions felt. are you in an wa make our opinions felt. are you in any way concerned _ make our opinions felt. are you in any way concerned how _ make our opinions felt. are you in any way concerned how it - make our opinions felt. are you in any way concerned how it would i make our opinions felt. are you in i any way concerned how it would look to people watching from all over the world? or are you rather looking forward to the fact that they can see not everybody is for this? i think it is right, i think people should know that. they don't think about that in france when they objected to the pension problem. i think we should be more like france and get out there and say what we think not sit behind tv screens muttering under our breath. i think people who are able to, should be able to go out there and make their feelings felt. i'm not talking about setting light to the royal coach, i'm talking about peaceful protest, maybe not quite as vigorous as the french, but we should still be able to let the world now that we are all sitting here like muppets doing what the government want us to do. does

that make sense? if the government want us to do. does that make sense?— that make sense? if you look at the ress that make sense? if you look at the press coverage _ that make sense? if you look at the press coverage today, _ that make sense? if you look at the press coverage today, you - that make sense? if you look at the press coverage today, you would i press coverage today, you would think— press coverage today, you would think we — press coverage today, you would think we were a nation of die—hard royalists — think we were a nation of die—hard royalists. but actually, recent polls— royalists. but actually, recent polls have said less than half of the population are interested in the coronation — the population are interested in the coronation. even more think the royal— coronation. even more think the royal should pay for it. it is not really _ royal should pay for it. it is not really a — royal should pay for it. it is not really a reflection put out by an overly — really a reflection put out by an overly sympathetic press of the reality— overly sympathetic press of the reality of— overly sympathetic press of the reality of what people feel on the ground — reality of what people feel on the ground. even royalists think there should _ ground. even royalists think there should be — ground. even royalists think there should be reform. a lot of royalists, and a biographer and very much _ royalists, and a biographer and very much a _ royalists, and a biographer and very much a monarchist thought the swearing — much a monarchist thought the swearing allegiance to charles was a step too _ swearing allegiance to charles was a step too far even asking for it. i think— step too far even asking for it. i think there _ step too far even asking for it. i think there are democratic ways, we are a _ think there are democratic ways, we are a democratic country, at least we should — are a democratic country, at least we should be, to bring about a

discussion— we should be, to bring about a discussion about this. our head of state. _ discussion about this. our head of state. a _ discussion about this. our head of state. a lot— discussion about this. our head of state, a lot of people are pretty indifferent towards the royals and the sway— indifferent towards the royals and the sway of allegiance brought out people's— the sway of allegiance brought out people's questioning, why are we doing _ people's questioning, why are we doing this? we should have that discussion, we don't have enough discussion— discussion, we don't have enough discussion about the role of the head _ discussion about the role of the head of— discussion about the role of the head of state, it is very one—sided. the republican view is not put forward — the republican view is not put forward enough to show the proportion of people who have that view _ proportion of people who have that view if _ proportion of people who have that view if you — proportion of people who have that view. if you take it a 25%, the population— view. if you take it a 25%, the population of northern ireland, wales— population of northern ireland, wales and scotland together and a bit more — wales and scotland together and a bit more. hello. hello.— bit more. hello. hello. hello, i think we have _ bit more. hello. hello. hello, i think we have sorted _ bit more. hello. hello. hello, i think we have sorted technicall think we have sorted technical problem. simon, remind us what happened with you again? i was at the proclamation _ happened with you again? i was at the proclamation of— happened with you again? i was at the proclamation of charles - happened with you again? i was at the proclamation of charles as - happened with you again? i was at | the proclamation of charles as king in septemben _ the proclamation of charles as king in septemben i_ the proclamation of charles as king in september. i happened -

the proclamation of charles as king in september. i happened to- the proclamation of charles as king in september. i happened to be - the proclamation of charles as king in september. i happened to be ati in september. i happened to be at the back— in september. i happened to be at the back of— in september. i happened to be at the back of the _ in september. i happened to be at the back of the crowd _ in september. i happened to be at the back of the crowd as _ in september. i happened to be at the back of the crowd as it - in september. i happened to be at the back of the crowd as it was - the back of the crowd as it was going — the back of the crowd as it was going on— the back of the crowd as it was going on in— the back of the crowd as it was going on in oxford, _ the back of the crowd as it was going on in oxford, being - the back of the crowd as it was going on in oxford, being readj the back of the crowd as it was - going on in oxford, being read out around _ going on in oxford, being read out around the — going on in oxford, being read out around the country. _ going on in oxford, being read out around the country. i— going on in oxford, being read out around the country. i didn't - around the country. i didn't interrupt— around the country. i didn't interrupt the _ around the country. i didn't interrupt the part _ around the country. i didn't interrupt the part that - around the country. i didn't interrupt the part that wasl around the country. i didn't i interrupt the part that was to around the country. i didn't - interrupt the part that was to do with the — interrupt the part that was to do with the grief— interrupt the part that was to do with the grief of— interrupt the part that was to do with the grief of elizabeth. - interrupt the part that was to do with the grief of elizabeth. i- with the grief of elizabeth. i objected _ with the grief of elizabeth. i objected when _ with the grief of elizabeth. i objected when charles - with the grief of elizabeth. i objected when charles wasl with the grief of elizabeth. i- objected when charles was declared to be our— objected when charles was declared to be our only— objected when charles was declared to be our only rightful— objected when charles was declared to be our only rightful king. - objected when charles was declared to be our only rightful king. i- to be our only rightful king. i called — to be our only rightful king. i called out _ to be our only rightful king. i called out. i— to be our only rightful king. i called out. i was— to be our only rightful king. i called out. i was threatenedl to be our only rightful king. i. called out. i was threatened by security— called out. i was threatened by security guards— called out. i was threatened by security guards and _ called out. i was threatened by security guards and then - called out. i was threatened by. security guards and then arrested. for effectively _ security guards and then arrested. for effectively expressing - security guards and then arrested. for effectively expressing an - for effectively expressing an opinion— for effectively expressing an opinion in— for effectively expressing an opinion in the _ for effectively expressing an opinion in the street. - for effectively expressing an opinion in the street. just. opinion in the street. just arrested, _ opinion in the street. just arrested, talk _ opinion in the street. just arrested, talk us - opinion in the street.- arrested, talk us through opinion in the street— arrested, talk us through what they said to you? that arrested, talk us through what they said to you?— said to you? at first they didn't seem to know _ said to you? at first they didn't seem to know the _ said to you? at first they didn't seem to know the ground - said to you? at first they didn't seem to know the ground for i said to you? at first they didn't. seem to know the ground for my arrests — seem to know the ground for my arrests they— seem to know the ground for my arrests. they couldn't _ seem to know the ground for my arrests. they couldn't answer. seem to know the ground for my| arrests. they couldn't answer my question— arrests. they couldn't answer my question about _ arrests. they couldn't answer my question about which _ arrests. they couldn't answer my question about which low - arrests. they couldn't answer my question about which low i - arrests. they couldn't answer my question about which low i had . arrests. they couldn't answer my. question about which low i had been arrested _ question about which low i had been arrested under. _ question about which low i had been arrested under. eventually- question about which low i had been arrested under. eventually i- question about which low i had been arrested under. eventually i was - arrested under. eventually i was charged — arrested under. eventually i was charged under— arrested under. eventually i was charged under the _ arrested under. eventually i was charged under the public- arrested under. eventually i was charged under the public order. arrested under. eventually i was . charged under the public order act and using — charged under the public order act and using threatening _ charged under the public order act and using threatening or— charged under the public order act and using threatening or abusive i and using threatening or abusive words _ and using threatening or abusive words or— and using threatening or abusive words or behaviour. _ and using threatening or abusive words or behaviour. i— and using threatening or abusive words or behaviour. i hadn't- words or behaviour. i hadn't threatened _ words or behaviour. i hadn't threatened anyone, - words or behaviour. i hadn't threatened anyone, i- words or behaviour. i hadn't threatened anyone, i hadn'tj words or behaviour. i hadn't- threatened anyone, i hadn't insulted anyone _ threatened anyone, i hadn't insulted anyone or—

threatened anyone, i hadn't insulted anyone or assaulted _ threatened anyone, i hadn't insulted anyone or assaulted anyone, - threatened anyone, i hadn't insulted anyone or assaulted anyone, hadn'tl anyone or assaulted anyone, hadn't used any— anyone or assaulted anyone, hadn't used any swear— anyone or assaulted anyone, hadn't used any swear words _ anyone or assaulted anyone, hadn't used any swear words and - anyone or assaulted anyone, hadn't used any swear words and the - anyone or assaulted anyone, hadn't . used any swear words and the charges were dropped — used any swear words and the charges were dropped in— used any swear words and the charges were dropped injanuary. _ used any swear words and the charges were dropped injanuary. i— used any swear words and the charges were dropped injanuary. i really- were dropped injanuary. i really worry— were dropped injanuary. i really worry ahead _ were dropped injanuary. i really worry ahead of— were dropped injanuary. i really worry ahead of the _ were dropped injanuary. i really worry ahead of the coronation . were dropped injanuary. i really- worry ahead of the coronation about how the _ worry ahead of the coronation about how the police — worry ahead of the coronation about how the police will— worry ahead of the coronation about how the police will behave. - worry ahead of the coronation about how the police will behave. because thousands _ how the police will behave. because thousands of— how the police will behave. because thousands of people _ how the police will behave. because thousands of people are _ how the police will behave. because thousands of people are going - how the police will behave. because thousands of people are going to . thousands of people are going to protest _ thousands of people are going to protest on — thousands of people are going to protest on saturday. _ thousands of people are going to protest on saturday. they - thousands of people are going to protest on saturday. they will i protest on saturday. they will protest — protest on saturday. they will protest peacefully, _ protest on saturday. they will protest peacefully, we - protest on saturday. they will protest peacefully, we are i protest on saturday. they willj protest peacefully, we are not protest on saturday. they will i protest peacefully, we are not going to do anything — protest peacefully, we are not going to do anything violent _ protest peacefully, we are not going to do anything violent and _ protest peacefully, we are not going to do anything violent and with i protest peacefully, we are not going to do anything violent and with the i to do anything violent and with the eyes of— to do anything violent and with the eyes of the — to do anything violent and with the eyes of the world _ to do anything violent and with the eyes of the world on _ to do anything violent and with the eyes of the world on britain, i to do anything violent and with the eyes of the world on britain, one i to do anything violent and with thei eyes of the world on britain, one of the things— eyes of the world on britain, one of the things i— eyes of the world on britain, one of the things i am— eyes of the world on britain, one of the things i am proud _ eyes of the world on britain, one of the things i am proud of— eyes of the world on britain, one of the things i am proud of about i eyes of the world on britain, one ofl the things i am proud of about great britain _ the things i am proud of about great britain is _ the things i am proud of about great britain is the — the things i am proud of about great britain is the traditions _ the things i am proud of about great britain is the traditions that - the things i am proud of about great britain is the traditions that our- britain is the traditions that our ancestors— britain is the traditions that our ancestors campaigned - britain is the traditions that our ancestors campaigned for- britain is the traditions that our| ancestors campaigned for about britain is the traditions that our- ancestors campaigned for about the freedom _ ancestors campaigned for about the freedom of— ancestors campaigned for about the freedom of speech _ ancestors campaigned for about the freedom of speech and _ ancestors campaigned for about the freedom of speech and the - ancestors campaigned for about the freedom of speech and the freedom ancestors campaigned for about the i freedom of speech and the freedom to protest _ freedom of speech and the freedom to protest that _ freedom of speech and the freedom to protest that is — freedom of speech and the freedom to protest. that is something _ freedom of speech and the freedom to protest. that is something we - freedom of speech and the freedom to protest. that is something we should. protest. that is something we should be proud _ protest. that is something we should be proud of — protest. that is something we should be proud of yet, _ protest. that is something we should be proud of. yet, here _ protest. that is something we should be proud of. yet, here we _ protest. that is something we should be proud of. yet, here we are - be proud of. yet, here we are talking — be proud of. yet, here we are talking about _ be proud of. yet, here we are talking about those _ be proud of. yet, here we are talking about those most i be proud of. yet, here we are - talking about those most fundamental rights, _ talking about those most fundamental rights, at _ talking about those most fundamental rights, at the — talking about those most fundamental rights, at the time _ talking about those most fundamental rights, at the time when _ talking about those most fundamental rights, at the time when a _ talking about those most fundamental rights, at the time when a head - talking about those most fundamental rights, at the time when a head of- rights, at the time when a head of state _ rights, at the time when a head of state is _ rights, at the time when a head of state is being _ rights, at the time when a head of state is being appointed. - rights, at the time when a head of state is being appointed. if- rights, at the time when a head of state is being appointed. if you i state is being appointed. if you cannot— state is being appointed. if you cannot object _ state is being appointed. if you cannot object to _ state is being appointed. if you cannot object to a _ state is being appointed. if you cannot object to a head - state is being appointed. if you cannot object to a head of- state is being appointed. if you| cannot object to a head of state when _ cannot object to a head of state when the — cannot object to a head of state when the head _ cannot object to a head of state when the head of— cannot object to a head of state when the head of state - cannot object to a head of state when the head of state is i cannot object to a head of state when the head of state is being�* when the head of state is being appointed, _ when the head of state is being appointed, when— when the head of state is being appointed, when can _ when the head of state is being appointed, when can you? - when the head of state is being appointed, when can you? thei when the head of state is being - appointed, when can you? the time to protest _ appointed, when can you? the time to protest against — appointed, when can you? the time to protest against something _ appointed, when can you? the time to protest against something is _ appointed, when can you? the time to protest against something is when - appointed, when can you? the time to protest against something is when it . protest against something is when it is happening — protest against something is when it is happening and _ protest against something is when it is happening and the _ protest against something is when it is happening and the place - protest against something is when it is happening and the place to- is happening and the place to protest — is happening and the place to protest is _ is happening and the place to protest is aware _ is happening and the place to protest is aware it _ is happening and the place to protest is aware it is- is happening and the place to. protest is aware it is happening is happening and the place to- protest is aware it is happening and

if you _ protest is aware it is happening and if you cannot — protest is aware it is happening and if you cannot protest _ protest is aware it is happening and if you cannot protest in _ protest is aware it is happening and if you cannot protest in that - protest is aware it is happening and if you cannot protest in that time i if you cannot protest in that time and place. — if you cannot protest in that time and place. we _ if you cannot protest in that time and place, we cannot— if you cannot protest in that time and place, we cannot claim - if you cannot protest in that time and place, we cannot claim to. if you cannot protest in that time and place, we cannot claim to be if you cannot protest in that time i and place, we cannot claim to be a country— and place, we cannot claim to be a country of— and place, we cannot claim to be a country of free _ and place, we cannot claim to be a country of free speech _ and place, we cannot claim to be a country of free speech and - country of free speech and expression _ country of free speech and expression.— country of free speech and exression. r, r, ,, r, country of free speech and exression. ,, r, ,, l, r, expression. you heard simon, what would ou expression. you heard simon, what would you say _ expression. you heard simon, what would you say to — expression. you heard simon, what would you say to him _ expression. you heard simon, what would you say to him about - expression. you heard simon, what would you say to him about this? i would you say to him about this? they should treat simon and other people protest, like they treat people protest, like they treat people who invade a football pitch, don't give them any coverage at all, total block out on the tv. these people are here just to cause problems for the police. the coronation is a wonderful thing and britain should do the best, show the world the best of britain. not have these clowns come in protesting and try to make problems. the these clowns come in protesting and try to make problems.— try to make problems. the best of britain is found _ try to make problems. the best of britain is found in _ try to make problems. the best of britain is found in our _ try to make problems. the best of britain is found in our traditions i britain is found in our traditions of free — britain is found in our traditions of free speech and the right to disagree _ of free speech and the right to disagree. but of free speech and the right to disauree. �* ,, u, of free speech and the right to disauree. �* ,, ., ., of free speech and the right to disauree. �* ., ., ,., , disagree. but you can go and protest an of the disagree. but you can go and protest any of the day- _ disagree. but you can go and protest any of the day- why _ disagree. but you can go and protest any of the day. why come _ disagree. but you can go and protest any of the day. why come on - disagree. but you can go and protest any of the day. why come on the - any of the day. why come on the coronation and try and disrupt it. because it is the coronation we

objected — because it is the coronation we ob'ected. , , ., because it is the coronation we ob'ected. , , objected. this is a problem with eo - le in objected. this is a problem with people in britain _ objected. this is a problem with people in britain today, - objected. this is a problem with people in britain today, alwaysl people in britain today, always trying to destroy anything that is great for britain or anything we try to showcase in britain. the coronation _ to showcase in britain. the coronation is _ to showcase in britain. the coronation is trying - to showcase in britain. the coronation is trying to - to showcase in britain. the coronation is trying to destroy our denrocracy — coronation is trying to destroy our denrocracy the _ coronation is trying to destroy our democracy. the free, _ coronation is trying to destroy our democracy. the free, the - coronation is trying to destroy our democracy. the free, the police . coronation is trying to destroy our i democracy. the free, the police are trying _ democracy. the free, the police are trying to— democracy. the free, the police are trying to destroy _ democracy. the free, the police are trying to destroy our _ democracy. the free, the police are trying to destroy our traditions - democracy. the free, the police are trying to destroy our traditions of. trying to destroy our traditions of right— trying to destroy our traditions of right to _ trying to destroy our traditions of right to protest _ trying to destroy our traditions of right to protest. [— trying to destroy our traditions of right to protest.— trying to destroy our traditions of right to protest. i would point out the riaht right to protest. i would point out the right of— right to protest. i would point out the right of democracy, _ right to protest. i would point out the right of democracy, trade - right to protest. i would point out l the right of democracy, trade union workers' _ the right of democracy, trade union workers' rights, women's rights, they— workers' rights, women's rights, they were — workers' rights, women's rights, they were not bestowed from upon high, _ they were not bestowed from upon high. they— they were not bestowed from upon high, they were won by people protesting and pursuing for change. i did protesting and pursuing for change. i did find _ protesting and pursuing for change. i did find it — protesting and pursuing for change. i did find it an odd argument that you are— i did find it an odd argument that you are saying they should be ignored _ you are saying they should be ignored, people's view should be ignored — ignored, people's view should be innored. ~ , ., ., ., ignored. why go out to the coronation... _ ignored. why go out to the coronation... also, - ignored. why go out to the coronation... also, how. ignored. why go out to the | coronation... also, how are ignored. why go out to the - coronation... also, how are we ignored. why go out to the _ coronation... also, how are we going to net the coronation... also, how are we going to get the coverage? _ coronation... also, how are we going to get the coverage? the _ coronation... also, how are we going to get the coverage? the only - coronation... also, how are we going to get the coverage? the only reason why people _ to get the coverage? the only reason why peopte like — to get the coverage? the only reason why people like myself _ to get the coverage? the only reason why people like myself and _ to get the coverage? the only reason why people like myself and other- why people like myself and other people _ why people like myself and other people on— why people like myself and other peopte on the _ why people like myself and other people on the show— why people like myself and other people on the show at _ why people like myself and other people on the show at the - why people like myself and other. people on the show at the moment why people like myself and other- people on the show at the moment is

because _ people on the show at the moment is because this — people on the show at the moment is because this coronation _ people on the show at the moment is because this coronation is _ people on the show at the moment is because this coronation is happening| because this coronation is happening and people _ because this coronation is happening and peopte want— because this coronation is happening and people want republican - and people want republican perspective _ and people want republican perspective. are _ and people want republican perspective. are you - and people want republican perspective. are you telling | and people want republican . perspective. are you telling me and people want republican - perspective. are you telling me we will be _ perspective. are you telling me we will be talking _ perspective. are you telling me we will be talking about _ perspective. are you telling me we will be talking about it _ perspective. are you telling me we will be talking about it in _ perspective. are you telling me we will be talking about it in a - perspective. are you telling me we| will be talking about it in a month? i will be talking about it in a month? i hope _ will be talking about it in a month? i hope so. — will be talking about it in a month? i hope so, we — will be talking about it in a month? i hope so, we are— will be talking about it in a month? i hope so, we are trying _ will be talking about it in a month? i hope so, we are trying to - will be talking about it in a month? i hope so, we are trying to get - will be talking about it in a month? i hope so, we are trying to get the i i hope so, we are trying to get the conversation — i hope so, we are trying to get the conversation on _ i hope so, we are trying to get the conversation on the _ i hope so, we are trying to get the conversation on the agenda, - i hope so, we are trying to get the conversation on the agenda, but l i hope so, we are trying to get the conversation on the agenda, but if we don't _ conversation on the agenda, but if we don't do — conversation on the agenda, but if we don't do it— conversation on the agenda, but if we don't do it now, _ conversation on the agenda, but if we don't do it now, how— conversation on the agenda, but if we don't do it now, how can - conversation on the agenda, but if we don't do it now, how can we i conversation on the agenda, but ifl we don't do it now, how can we get this discussion, _ we don't do it now, how can we get this discussion, people _ we don't do it now, how can we get this discussion, people should - we don't do it now, how can we get this discussion, people should be l this discussion, people should be heard _ this discussion, people should be heard it — this discussion, people should be heard it is — this discussion, people should be heard it isa— this discussion, people should be heard, it is a democracy- this discussion, people should be heard, it is a democracy and - this discussion, people should be heard, it is a democracy and we i this discussion, people should be - heard, it is a democracy and we come up heard, it is a democracy and we come up with— heard, it is a democracy and we come up with the _ heard, it is a democracy and we come up with the best — heard, it is a democracy and we come up with the best decisions _ heard, it is a democracy and we come up with the best decisions for - heard, it is a democracy and we come up with the best decisions for the - up with the best decisions for the collective — up with the best decisions for the collective. can— up with the best decisions for the collective. . . ., up with the best decisions for the | collective._ people, collective. can i come in? people, the media — collective. can i come in? people, the media should _ collective. can i come in? people, the media should treat _ collective. can i come in? people, the media should treat you - collective. can i come in? people, j the media should treat you people like people who run on the football pitch, no coverage at all. cant pitch, no coverage at all. can i 'ust pitch, no coverage at all. can i just bring _ pitch, no coverage at all. can i just bring sarah _ pitch, no coverage at all. can i just bring sarah in. _ pitch, no coverage at all. can i just bring sarah in. devon, - pitch, no coverage at all. can i just bring sarah in. devon, i. pitch, no coverage at all. can i | just bring sarah in. devon, i will be with you and also dai davies, from royal protection. sarah, come back in. ., ., ., ., from royal protection. sarah, come backin. ., ., ., ., , back in. you are going to get people from all over— back in. you are going to get people from all over the _ back in. you are going to get people from all over the country _ back in. you are going to get people from all over the country and - back in. you are going to get people from all over the country and the - from all over the country and the commonwealth and all over the world standing on the mall. the reason they are there is to support the monarchy. you say you are going to do peaceful protest, 0k, fine.

however, you know what it's like, you get angry, somebody loses it and all hell can let loose. also you have young children in carriages, the princess and the princesses and you have the ministry as well, all sworn allegiance to the king. we are going to be on the mall, six of us coming from leicestershire and we have gone to every single royal eventin have gone to every single royal event in the last 20, 30 years. to be quite honest, we honestlyjust want a great time, like we always have had. ijust think it is disgusting you want to ruin such a great day for our country, the royal family and for the majority of the people. family and for the ma'ority of the eo le. family and for the ma'ority of the ”eole. ., , family and for the ma'ority of the --eole. ., , ., people. some others will find our day ruined _ people. some others will find our day ruined by _ people. some others will find our day ruined by having _ people. some others will find our day ruined by having head - people. some others will find our day ruined by having head of- people. some others will find our| day ruined by having head of state imposed _ day ruined by having head of state imposed on us without our consent. hang _ imposed on us without our consent. hang on. _ imposed on us without our consent. hang on, everyone, here is eileen. when you speak of the reputation of

our country being sullied worldwide, it may be people should think about what our government, what our current tory government has done to our country. they have destroyed our reputation and i would imagine the majority of people who are protesting also feel that way. so this is just enabling, protesting also feel that way. so this isjust enabling, enabling more, what is the word? whitewash, about our country really feels, what the people in the country really feel, notjust a few people who are privileged and entitled, and few royalists. i privileged and entitled, and few ro alists. ., ., ., , ., �*, royalists. i want to hear devon's response. _ royalists. i want to hear devon's response. it _ royalists. i want to hear devon's response. it is _ royalists. i want to hear devon's response, it is a _ royalists. i want to hear devon's response, it is a very _ royalists. i want to hear devon's response, it is a very special- royalists. i want to hear devon's| response, it is a very special day for a lot of people like sarah who have come a long way from the other end of the country. they love this and they cherish this and they treasure it and they think it is really important. is it a matter of tact and politeness, devon? it

really important. is it a matter of tact and politeness, devon? it is. i cannot understand _ tact and politeness, devon? it is. i cannot understand the _ tact and politeness, devon? it is. i cannot understand the mentality . tact and politeness, devon? it is. i| cannot understand the mentality of the people and what they are trying to achieve. what the royal family has done to them? these people are just there to get attention and to cause problems for britain. the occasion is something to be celebrated. the kids enjoyed, people from overseas enjoyed. they are trying to make problems for a situation that doesn't exist. what is their problem? just go to the occasion and you're it like other people. don't try to go there and disrupt things, the media shouldn't give them any coverage. taste disrupt things, the media shouldn't give them any coverage.— disrupt things, the media shouldn't give them any coverage. we can talk for hours about _ give them any coverage. we can talk for hours about the _ give them any coverage. we can talk for hours about the problems - give them any coverage. we can talk for hours about the problems of - give them any coverage. we can talk for hours about the problems of the | for hours about the problems of the nronarchy— for hours about the problems of the monarchy and its corrupting nature and the _ monarchy and its corrupting nature and the value it represents. in terms — and the value it represents. in terms of— and the value it represents. in terms of protest, people have the ti l ht terms of protest, people have the right to _ terms of protest, people have the right to be — terms of protest, people have the right to be there. as i said before,

sarah _ right to be there. as i said before, sarah says— right to be there. as i said before, sarah says she goes to every royal event, _ sarah says she goes to every royal event, but — sarah says she goes to every royal event, but she doesn't represent the majority— event, but she doesn't represent the majority of— event, but she doesn't represent the majority of people, it is a tiny minority _ majority of people, it is a tiny minority. the minority of royalists. why should — minority. the minority of royalists. why should the whole population bend to the wheel of a small minority of people _ to the wheel of a small minority of people who liked these sorts of ceremonies. we see millions of people — ceremonies. we see millions of people will be there, how many millions— people will be there, how many millions of people will not be there because _ millions of people will not be there because they don't support it and don't _ because they don't support it and don't want — because they don't support it and don't want to be anywhere near london? — don't want to be anywhere near london? as i said before, it is a very— london? as i said before, it is a very one—sided view and it is imposed _ very one—sided view and it is imposed and not properly discussed. peopie _ imposed and not properly discussed. people wouldn't do this... how do we draw attention to this because without— draw attention to this because without peacefully protesting when the normal routes are not available. mps have _ the normal routes are not available. mps have to — the normal routes are not available. mps have to swear and allegiance, like the _ mps have to swear and allegiance, like the one they asked everyone to say, to— like the one they asked everyone to say, to the — like the one they asked everyone to say, to the monarchy in parliament, otherwise _ say, to the monarchy in parliament, otherwise they cannot take their seat and — otherwise they cannot take their seat and they are fined. how can we -et seat and they are fined. how can we get this— seat and they are fined. how can we get this raised? i would love to hear— get this raised? i would love to hear how— get this raised? i would love to hear how you would do this? stay

awa . hear how you would do this? stay away- because — hear how you would do this? stay away. because that _ hear how you would do this? stay away. because that gives - hear how you would do this? stay l away. because that gives argument hear how you would do this? stay - away. because that gives argument to eo - le who away. because that gives argument to people who say _ away. because that gives argument to people who say the — away. because that gives argument to people who say the royals _ away. because that gives argument to people who say the royals our- away. because that gives argument to people who say the royals our love. i people who say the royals our love. if people who say the royals our love. if we _ people who say the royals our love. if we just _ people who say the royals our love. if we just don't turn up, you would 'ust if we just don't turn up, you would just say— if we just don't turn up, you would just say look how well the monarchy is loved _ just say look how well the monarchy is loved, when it isjust not true. you _ is loved, when it isjust not true. you cannot— is loved, when it isjust not true. you cannot say, just go away. i is loved, when it isjust not true. you cannot say, just go away. you cannot say, 'ust go away. i want to brina in you cannot say, 'ust go away. i want to bring in dar — you cannot say, just go away. i want to bring in dai davies, _ you cannot say, just go away. i want to bring in dai davies, former- you cannot say, just go away. i want to bring in dai davies, former head i to bring in dai davies, former head of royal protection, i'm sure you are listening with great interest. good morning and to your other contributors. to good morning and to your other contributors.— good morning and to your otherj contributors._ to good morning and to your other i contributors._ to all contributors. to all of them? to all of them. contributors. to all of them? to all of them- the _ contributors. to all of them? to all of them. the right _ contributors. to all of them? to all of them. the right to _ contributors. to all of them? to all of them. the right to protest, - contributors. to all of them? to all of them. the right to protest, what do ou of them. the right to protest, what do you think _ of them. the right to protest, what do you think about _ of them. the right to protest, what do you think about what _ of them. the right to protest, what do you think about what you - of them. the right to protest, what do you think about what you have l do you think about what you have heard so far and the argument, not on this day, any other day, but not this day. do you have sympathy with that point of view?— that point of view? yes, i have sympathy- _ that point of view? yes, i have sympathy- i — that point of view? yes, i have sympathy. i would _ that point of view? yes, i have sympathy. i would rather- that point of view? yes, i have sympathy. i would rather the l sympathy. i would rather the protesters don't use this occasion to protest. i recognise their right to protest. i recognise their right

to hold the view, but it does cause huge extra work for the police. we have enough for the police to do, enough to combat in terms of terrorism, those who are mentally ill and others who might cause trouble and to add to this doesn't help the police at all. the police don't make the law, they carry out the law. , , ., ,, the law. sometimes they make their own laws. the law. sometimes they make their own laws- they _ the law. sometimes they make their own laws. they do, _ the law. sometimes they make their own laws. they do, i— the law. sometimes they make their own laws. they do, i did _ the law. sometimes they make their own laws. they do, i did 30 - the law. sometimes they make their own laws. they do, i did 30 years i the law. sometimes they make their own laws. they do, i did 30 years at| own laws. they do, i did 30 years at scotland yard. _ own laws. they do, i did 30 years at scotland yard, i _ own laws. they do, i did 30 years at scotland yard, i am _ own laws. they do, i did 30 years at scotland yard, i am not _ own laws. they do, i did 30 years at scotland yard, i am not saying - own laws. they do, i did 30 years at scotland yard, i am not saying they| scotland yard, i am not saying they are squeaky clean, but they have a difficult job are squeaky clean, but they have a difficultjob and there are those who are mentally ill who could cause serious harm, as we saw, the late queen, a guy who wanted to kill the queen, a guy who wanted to kill the queen and a man yesterday was doing strange things. great respect you, you are entitled to your opinion but you are entitled to your opinion but you are entitled to your opinion but you are adding to the problems and the cost. but i acknowledge you have a right to protest. it

the cost. but i acknowledge you have a right to protest.— a right to protest. if we didn't have a monarchy _ a right to protest. if we didn't have a monarchy and - a right to protest. if we didn't| have a monarchy and spending millions— have a monarchy and spending millions every year on their security, _ millions every year on their security, may be the police would not be _ security, may be the police would not be so — security, may be the police would not be so stretched. the idea that we are _ not be so stretched. the idea that we are causing a problem by voicing our opinion— we are causing a problem by voicing our opinion and saying the have issues — our opinion and saying the have issues and _ our opinion and saying the have issues and spending so much money on the monarchy— issues and spending so much money on the monarchy is an absurd argument. i am the monarchy is an absurd argument. i am not _ the monarchy is an absurd argument. i am not being the monarchy is an absurd argument. iam not being read the monarchy is an absurd argument. i am not being read about you, so don't call my point of the absurd, if we had a president and vice president, the many cost to protect them would be even more. why don't you stand for election? i them would be even more. why don't you stand for election?— you stand for election? i have 'ust told you. .. — you stand for election? i have 'ust told you... wait i you stand for election? i have 'ust told you... wait a i you stand for election? i have 'ust told you... wait a minute, i you stand for election? i have just told you... wait a minute, steve. | you stand for election? i have just| told you... wait a minute, steve. i understand — told you... wait a minute, steve. i understand everyone's _ told you... wait a minute, steve. i understand everyone's eagerness. told you... wait a minute, steve. i. understand everyone's eagerness to express their view and it is important to what we are discussing. we are discussing the right for people to exercise that eagerness and express their view. carry on, dai davies. and express their view. carry on, dai davies-_ dai davies. this gentleman and others are _ dai davies. this gentleman and

others are so — dai davies. this gentleman and others are so keen, _ dai davies. this gentleman and others are so keen, why - dai davies. this gentleman and others are so keen, why don't l dai davies. this gentleman and . others are so keen, why don't they stand for election. if there are so many people who are against the royals, stand for election, stand locally, get all your people, like other people do and see what the public think. if you get a majority, fair enough, we are a democracy, as you keep telling us. where is good manners? you don't disrupt a wedding because you might not like certain things, this is an important occasion. is things, this is an important occasion-— things, this is an important occasion. , ., ., ., occasion. is that what you are likenin: occasion. is that what you are likening it _ occasion. is that what you are likening it to _ occasion. is that what you are likening it to go _ occasion. is that what you are likening it to go into - occasion. is that what you are i likening it to go into someone's wedding? like dustin hoffman in the graduate, kind of thing. simon hill, respond? {lit graduate, kind of thing. simon hill, resond? , ., �* respond? of course i wouldn't disru -t a respond? of course i wouldn't disrupt a wedding, _ respond? of course i wouldn't disrupt a wedding, it - respond? of course i wouldn't disrupt a wedding, it is - respond? of course i wouldn't disrupt a wedding, it is a - respond? of course i wouldn't - disrupt a wedding, it is a personal event~ _ disrupt a wedding, it is a personal event this — disrupt a wedding, it is a personal event this is _ disrupt a wedding, it is a personal event. this is an _ disrupt a wedding, it is a personal event. this is an event, _ disrupt a wedding, it is a personal event. this is an event, claiming i event. this is an event, claiming who— event. this is an event, claiming who our— event. this is an event, claiming who our head _ event. this is an event, claiming who our head of _ event. this is an event, claiming who our head of state _ event. this is an event, claiming who our head of state is - event. this is an event, claiming who our head of state is going. event. this is an event, claiming| who our head of state is going to event. this is an event, claiming. who our head of state is going to be and it— who our head of state is going to be and it affects — who our head of state is going to be and it affects everybody— who our head of state is going to be and it affects everybody in - who our head of state is going to be and it affects everybody in the - who our head of state is going to be and it affects everybody in the uk i and it affects everybody in the uk and it affects everybody in the uk and the _ and it affects everybody in the uk and the 14 — and it affects everybody in the uk and the 14 other— and it affects everybody in the uk and the 14 other countries - and it affects everybody in the uk| and the 14 other countries charles claims _ and the 14 other countries charles claims to— and the 14 other countries charles claims to be — and the 14 other countries charles claims to be king _ and the 14 other countries charles claims to be king of. _ and the 14 other countries charles claims to be king of. we - and the 14 other countries charles claims to be king of. we all- and the 14 other countries charles claims to be king of. we all havel and the 14 other countries charles| claims to be king of. we all have a right— claims to be king of. we all have a right to _ claims to be king of. we all have a right to protest _ claims to be king of. we all have a right to protest when _ claims to be king of. we all have a right to protest when the -

claims to be king of. we all have a right to protest when the head - claims to be king of. we all have a right to protest when the head of. right to protest when the head of state _ right to protest when the head of state is _ right to protest when the head of state is being _ right to protest when the head of state is being appointed. - right to protest when the head of state is being appointed. if- right to protest when the head of state is being appointed. if we i right to protest when the head of. state is being appointed. if we were reading _ state is being appointed. if we were reading in— state is being appointed. if we were reading in the— state is being appointed. if we were reading in the paper— state is being appointed. if we were reading in the paper now— state is being appointed. if we were reading in the paper now about - state is being appointed. if we were reading in the paper now about a i reading in the paper now about a country— reading in the paper now about a country where _ reading in the paper now about a country where a _ reading in the paper now about a country where a new— reading in the paper now about a country where a new head - reading in the paper now about a country where a new head of i reading in the paper now about a i country where a new head of state was appointed _ country where a new head of state was appointed and _ country where a new head of state was appointed and reading - country where a new head of state was appointed and reading that i country where a new head of state was appointed and reading that he -ot was appointed and reading that he got the _ was appointed and reading that he got the job— was appointed and reading that he got the job because _ was appointed and reading that he got the job because he _ was appointed and reading that he got the job because he was - was appointed and reading that he got the job because he was the i was appointed and reading that hei got the job because he was the son of the _ got the job because he was the son of the previous— got the job because he was the son of the previous person _ got the job because he was the son of the previous person who - got the job because he was the son of the previous person who did i got the job because he was the son of the previous person who did it i of the previous person who did it and if— of the previous person who did it and if he — of the previous person who did it and if he heard _ of the previous person who did it and if he heard that _ of the previous person who did it and if he heard that people i of the previous person who did it and if he heard that people whoi of the previous person who did it i and if he heard that people who were protesting _ and if he heard that people who were protesting were — and if he heard that people who were protesting were being _ and if he heard that people who were protesting were being arrested, i protesting were being arrested, threatening _ protesting were being arrested, threatening letters _ protesting were being arrested, threatening letters were - protesting were being arrested, threatening letters were sent i protesting were being arrested, j threatening letters were sent to groups — threatening letters were sent to groups who _ threatening letters were sent to groups who opposed _ threatening letters were sent to groups who opposed our- threatening letters were sent to groups who opposed our planet| groups who opposed our planet protest. — groups who opposed our planet protest. we _ groups who opposed our planet protest, we would _ groups who opposed our planet protest, we would not - groups who opposed our planet protest, we would not have i groups who opposed our planet protest, we would not have a l groups who opposed our planet i protest, we would not have a high opinion— protest, we would not have a high opinion of— protest, we would not have a high opinion of that _ protest, we would not have a high opinion of that country. _ protest, we would not have a high opinion of that country. it - protest, we would not have a high opinion of that country. it makes. protest, we would not have a high. opinion of that country. it makes me really— opinion of that country. it makes me really sad _ opinion of that country. it makes me really sad that — opinion of that country. it makes me really sad that we _ opinion of that country. it makes me really sad that we are _ opinion of that country. it makes me really sad that we are in _ opinion of that country. it makes me really sad that we are in that - really sad that we are in that situation _ really sad that we are in that situation where _ really sad that we are in that situation where that - really sad that we are in that situation where that country| really sad that we are in that i situation where that country now really sad that we are in that - situation where that country now is britain _ situation where that country now is britain and — situation where that country now is britain and someone _ situation where that country now is britain and someone like _ situation where that country now is britain and someone like dai - situation where that country now is| britain and someone like dai davies can criticise — britain and someone like dai davies can criticise democratic _ britain and someone like dai davies can criticise democratic protests i britain and someone like dai davies can criticise democratic protests on| can criticise democratic protests on the grounds — can criticise democratic protests on the grounds that _ can criticise democratic protests on the grounds that it _ can criticise democratic protests on the grounds that it is _ can criticise democratic protests on the grounds that it is inconvenientl the grounds that it is inconvenient to the _ the grounds that it is inconvenient to the police. _ the grounds that it is inconvenient to the police, the _ the grounds that it is inconvenient to the police, the same _ the grounds that it is inconvenient to the police, the same police i the grounds that it is inconvenient| to the police, the same police who have been— to the police, the same police who have been unlawfully— to the police, the same police who have been unlawfully arresting i have been unlawfully arresting anti—monarchy— have been unlawfully arresting anti—monarchy protesters, i have been unlawfully arresting i anti—monarchy protesters, including me, anti—monarchy protesters, including me. in— anti—monarchy protesters, including me. in recent— anti—monarchy protesters, including me, in recent months _ anti—monarchy protesters, including me, in recent months and _ anti—monarchy protesters, including me, in recent months and dai - anti—monarchy protesters, including i me, in recent months and dai davies' respond _ me, in recent months and dai davies' respond is _ me, in recent months and dai davies' respond is to — me, in recent months and dai davies' respond is to come _ me, in recent months and dai davies' respond is to come on, _ me, in recent months and dai davies' respond is to come on, demonise i respond is to come on, demonise people _ respond is to come on, demonise people with — respond is to come on, demonise people with mental— respond is to come on, demonise people with mental health - people with mental health problemsm _ people with mental health problemsm '— people with mental health problems... i was - people with mental health problems... i was quite i people with mental health - problems... i was quite appalled by those _ problems... i was quite appalled by those comments, _ problems... i was quite appalled by those comments, and _ problems... i was quite appalled by those comments, and say- problems... i was quite appalled by those comments, and say that- problems... i was quite appalled by. those comments, and say that protest is an inconvenience _ those comments, and say that protest is an inconvenience to _ those comments, and say that protest is an inconvenience to the _ those comments, and say that protest is an inconvenience to the police. i is an inconvenience to the police. protest— is an inconvenience to the police. protest is— is an inconvenience to the police. protest is a — is an inconvenience to the police. protest is a fundamental- is an inconvenience to the police. protest is a fundamental right i is an inconvenience to the police. i protest is a fundamental right and anyone _ protest is a fundamental right and anyone who — protest is a fundamental right and anyone who is _ protest is a fundamental right and anyone who is remotely— protest is a fundamental right and anyone who is remotely patriotic i anyone who is remotely patriotic should _ anyone who is remotely patriotic should be — anyone who is remotely patriotic should be proud _ anyone who is remotely patriotic should be proud of— anyone who is remotely patriotic

should be proud of the _ anyone who is remotely patriotic should be proud of the rights- anyone who is remotely patrioticl should be proud of the rights that our ancestors— should be proud of the rights that our ancestors campaigned - should be proud of the rights that our ancestors campaigned for- should be proud of the rights that our ancestors campaigned for to i our ancestors campaigned for to disagree — our ancestors campaigned for to disagree with _ our ancestors campaigned for to disagree with each _ our ancestors campaigned for to disagree with each other. - our ancestors campaigned for to disagree with each other. and . our ancestors campaigned for to| disagree with each other. and of course _ disagree with each other. and of course people _ disagree with each other. and of course people like _ disagree with each other. and of course people like sarah, - disagree with each other. and of course people like sarah, of- disagree with each other. and of. course people like sarah, of course she can _ course people like sarah, of course she can enjoy— course people like sarah, of course she can enjoy her— course people like sarah, of course she can enjoy her day— course people like sarah, of course she can enjoy her day on— course people like sarah, of course she can enjoy her day on saturday. | she can enjoy her day on saturday. if she can enjoy her day on saturday. if you _ she can enjoy her day on saturday. if you cannot — she can enjoy her day on saturday. if you cannot enjoy _ she can enjoy her day on saturday. if you cannot enjoy your— she can enjoy her day on saturday. if you cannot enjoy your day - she can enjoy her day on saturday. i if you cannot enjoy your day because you hear— if you cannot enjoy your day because you hear someone _ if you cannot enjoy your day because you hear someone express - if you cannot enjoy your day because you hear someone express an - if you cannot enjoy your day because i you hear someone express an opinion you hear someone express an opinion you disagree — you hear someone express an opinion you disagree with. _ you hear someone express an opinion you disagree with, that— you hear someone express an opinion you disagree with, that is— you hear someone express an opinion you disagree with, that is a _ you hear someone express an opinion you disagree with, that is a real- you disagree with, that is a real problem — you disagree with, that is a real problem and _ you disagree with, that is a real problem and the _ you disagree with, that is a real problem and the problem - you disagree with, that is a real problem and the problem is i you disagree with, that is a real problem and the problem is not democracy, _ problem and the problem is not democracy, the _ problem and the problem is not democracy, the problem - problem and the problem is not democracy, the problem is - problem and the problem is not democracy, the problem is the| problem and the problem is not - democracy, the problem is the fear of disagreement _ democracy, the problem is the fear of disagreement that _ democracy, the problem is the fear of disagreement that seems - democracy, the problem is the fear of disagreement that seems to - of disagreement that seems to pervade — of disagreement that seems to pervade parts— of disagreement that seems to pervade parts of— of disagreement that seems to pervade parts of the _ of disagreement that seems to pervade parts of the media - of disagreement that seems to . pervade parts of the media times like this — simon... without protest, we wouldn't _ simon... without protest, we wouldn't have _ simon... without protest, we wouldn't have votes - simon... without protest, we wouldn't have votes for - simon... without protest, we i wouldn't have votes for women. simon... without protest, we - wouldn't have votes for women. you have got _ wouldn't have votes for women. you have got to — wouldn't have votes for women. you have got to think back to what protests — have got to think back to what protests have achieved. and have got to think back to what protests have achieved. and we need to have this — protests have achieved. and we need to have this broader— protests have achieved. and we need to have this broader discussion - to have this broader discussion about— to have this broader discussion about the — to have this broader discussion about the whole _ to have this broader discussion about the whole point - to have this broader discussion about the whole point of- to have this broader discussioni about the whole point of ahead to have this broader discussion i about the whole point of ahead of state _ about the whole point of ahead of state as — about the whole point of ahead of state as i— about the whole point of ahead of state. as i said _ about the whole point of ahead of state. as i said earlier, _ about the whole point of ahead of state. as i said earlier, mps- about the whole point of ahead of state. as i said earlier, mps have| state. as i said earlier, mps have to swear— state. as i said earlier, mps have to swear allegiance _ state. as i said earlier, mps have to swear allegiance to _ state. as i said earlier, mps have to swear allegiance to the - state. as i said earlier, mps have i to swear allegiance to the monarch so even _ to swear allegiance to the monarch so even if— to swear allegiance to the monarch so even if someone _ to swear allegiance to the monarch so even if someone did _ to swear allegiance to the monarch so even if someone did get- to swear allegiance to the monarch so even if someone did get elected as a republican. _ so even if someone did get elected as a republican, and _ so even if someone did get elected as a republican, and there - so even if someone did get elected as a republican, and there are - as a republican, and there are republicans _ as a republican, and there are republicans in _ as a republican, and there are republicans in parliament, - as a republican, and there are - republicans in parliament, richard bodeh. _ republicans in parliament, richard bodeh. torry— republicans in parliament, richard boden, tony benn _ republicans in parliament, richard boden, tony benn was _ republicans in parliament, richard boden, tony benn was a _ republicans in parliament, richard - boden, tony benn was a republican... jeremy— boden, tony benn was a republican... jeremy corbyh — boden, tony benn was a republican... jeremy corbyh. jeremy— boden, tony benn was a republican... jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn, - boden, tony benn was a republican... jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn, yes. i jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn, yes. well, _ jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn, yes. welt, he _ jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn, yes. well, he dialled _ jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn, yes. well, he dialled back— jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn, yes. well, he dialled back down- jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn, yes. well, he dialled back down when . jeremy corbyn. jeremy corbyn, yes. well, he dialled back down when hei well, he dialled back down when he was leader — well, he dialled back down when he was leader he— well, he dialled back down when he was leader. ,.,

well, he dialled back down when he was leader. ., , well, he dialled back down when he was leader-— was leader. he said it was not a hill he was _ was leader. he said it was not a hill he was going _ was leader. he said it was not a hill he was going to _ was leader. he said it was not a hill he was going to fight - was leader. he said it was not a hill he was going to fight on, i hill he was going to fight on, basically. hill he was going to fight on, basicall . , , �* basically. they exist. and the point about the campaigning _ basically. they exist. and the point about the campaigning on - basically. they exist. and the point about the campaigning on the - about the campaigning on the protesting _ about the campaigning on the protesting is— about the campaigning on the protesting is to _ about the campaigning on the protesting is to get _ about the campaigning on the protesting is to get it - about the campaigning on the i protesting is to get it discussed and therefore _ protesting is to get it discussed and therefore public _ protesting is to get it discussed and therefore public opinion - protesting is to get it discussed| and therefore public opinion will shift, _ and therefore public opinion will shift, and — and therefore public opinion will shift, and it— and therefore public opinion will shift, and it is— and therefore public opinion will shift, and it is shifting. - and therefore public opinion will shift, and it is shifting. and - and therefore public opinion will shift, and it is shifting. and the| shift, and it is shifting. and the moment— shift, and it is shifting. and the moment that _ shift, and it is shifting. and the moment that you _ shift, and it is shifting. and the moment that you get _ shift, and it is shifting. and the moment that you get a - shift, and it is shifting. and the. moment that you get a majority, shift, and it is shifting. and the - moment that you get a majority, the moment— moment that you get a majority, the moment that — moment that you get a majority, the moment that more _ moment that you get a majority, the moment that more people _ moment that you get a majority, the moment that more people are - moment that you get a majority, the. moment that more people are against the monarchy— moment that more people are against the monarchy than _ moment that more people are against the monarchy than in _ moment that more people are against the monarchy than in favour _ moment that more people are against the monarchy than in favour of - moment that more people are against the monarchy than in favour of it - the monarchy than in favour of it then— the monarchy than in favour of it then surety— the monarchy than in favour of it then surely politicians _ the monarchy than in favour of it then surely politicians have - the monarchy than in favour of it then surely politicians have to i then surely politicians have to acknowledge _ then surely politicians have to acknowledge that _ then surely politicians have to acknowledge that and - then surely politicians have to acknowledge that and start i acknowledge that and start discussing _ acknowledge that and start discussing it, _ acknowledge that and start discussing it, and - acknowledge that and start discussing it, and it- acknowledge that and start discussing it, and it shouldj acknowledge that and start i discussing it, and it should be discussed _ discussing it, and it should be discussed anyway, _ discussing it, and it should be discussed anyway, we - discussing it, and it should be discussed anyway, we are - discussing it, and it should be i discussed anyway, we are domi crustv — discussed anyway, we are domi crustv the _ discussed anyway, we are domi crusty. the idea _ discussed anyway, we are domi crusty. the idea that _ discussed anyway, we are domi crusty. the idea that if- discussed anyway, we are domi crusty. the idea that if we - discussed anyway, we are domi crusty. the idea that if we just. crusty. the idea that if we just stand — crusty. the idea that if we just stand for— crusty. the idea that if we just stand for election, _ crusty. the idea that if we just stand for election, that - crusty. the idea that if we just stand for election, that is- crusty. the idea that if we just stand for election, that is noti stand for election, that is not enough. _ stand for election, that is not enough. we _ stand for election, that is not enough, we need _ stand for election, that is not enough, we need to- stand for election, that is not enough, we need to be - stand for election, that is not enough, we need to be a - stand for election, that is not. enough, we need to be a much stand for election, that is not- enough, we need to be a much more democratic— enough, we need to be a much more democratic country— enough, we need to be a much more democratic country and _ enough, we need to be a much more democratic country and discuss - democratic country and discuss everything. _ democratic country and discuss everything. and _ democratic country and discuss everything, and it— democratic country and discuss everything, and it is— democratic country and discuss everything, and it is not- democratic country and discuss everything, and it is notjust i democratic country and discuss i everything, and it is notjust the nronarchy, — everything, and it is notjust the nronarchy, this— everything, and it is notjust the monarchy, this is— everything, and it is notjust the monarchy, this is the _ everything, and it is notjust the monarchy, this is the thing. - everything, and it is notjust the monarchy, this is the thing. i. everything, and it is notjust the| monarchy, this is the thing. i am involved — monarchy, this is the thing. i am involved in— monarchy, this is the thing. i am involved in republic— monarchy, this is the thing. i am involved in republic precisely- involved in republic precisely because _ involved in republic precisely because i_ involved in republic precisely because i think— involved in republic precisely because i think we _ involved in republic precisely because i think we should - involved in republic precisely. because i think we should have involved in republic precisely- because i think we should have an elected _ because i think we should have an elected head _ because i think we should have an elected head of— because i think we should have an elected head of state, _ because i think we should have an elected head of state, but- because i think we should have an elected head of state, but we - because i think we should have anl elected head of state, but we need top-down, — elected head of state, but we need top-down. top— elected head of state, but we need top-down. top to _ elected head of state, but we need top—down, top to bottom - elected head of state, but we need . top—down, top to bottom democracy, making _ top—down, top to bottom democracy, making it _ top—down, top to bottom democracy, making it more — top—down, top to bottom democracy, making it more democratic, - top—down, top to bottom democracy, making it more democratic, we - top—down, top to bottom democracy, making it more democratic, we have| making it more democratic, we have an unetected — making it more democratic, we have an unelected house _ making it more democratic, we have an unelected house of— making it more democratic, we have an unelected house of lords... - making it more democratic, we have an unelected house of lords... tan. making it more democratic, we have an unelected house of lords... gaul an unelected house of lords... can i 'ust ask an unelected house of lords... can i just ask you — an unelected house of lords... can i just ask you something? _ an unelected house of lords... can i just ask you something? i _ an unelected house of lords... just ask you something? i get it, just ask you something? i get it, just to concentrate on this issue, an elected head of state, and i will be with you in a second, dai, and then we will regroup. and then we

will start again, after the news and the sport. an elected head of state, if you had presidentjohnson, would you be yearning for charles the third? ,., ., you be yearning for charles the third? ., , ., , third? god, no yellow is the point is, ou third? god, no yellow is the point is. you would _ third? god, no yellow is the point is, you would be _ third? god, no yellow is the point is, you would be able _ third? god, no yellow is the point is, you would be able to - third? god, no yellow is the point is, you would be able to get - third? god, no yellow is the point is, you would be able to get rid i third? god, no yellow is the pointj is, you would be able to get rid of presidentjohnson at the next election, and ifjohnson is that bad, people would not vote for him, so it is a bit of a strange argument. so it is a bit of a strange argument-— so it is a bit of a strange ara ument. ., ., , argument. no, the argument... yes, i mean... argument. no, the argument... yes, i mean--- it— argument. no, the argument... yes, i mean--- it is— argument. no, the argument... yes, i mean... it is tony _ argument. no, the argument... yes, i mean... it is tony benn's _ argument. no, the argument... yes, i mean... it is tony benn's famous - mean... it is tony benn's famous thing, that is the essence of a democracy, that they are accountable and you are able to get rid of them. but we can't get rid of charles if he is a bad king.— but we can't get rid of charles if he is a bad king. you can't get rid of him, dai _ he is a bad king. you can't get rid of him, dai davies? _ he is a bad king. you can't get rid of him, dai davies? i— he is a bad king. you can't get rid of him, dai davies? i hope - he is a bad king. you can't get rid of him, dai davies? i hope we - of him, dai davies? i hope we haven't got rid of dai davies? are you there, dai? haven't got rid of dai davies? are you there. dai?— you there, dai? yes, sorry, iwas t in: to you there, dai? yes, sorry, iwas trying to get _ you there, dai? yes, sorry, iwas trying to get together _ you there, dai? yes, sorry, iwas trying to get together my - you there, dai? yes, sorry, i was. trying to get together my argument, with the _ trying to get together my argument, with the greatest of respect i live slightly— with the greatest of respect i live slightly in — with the greatest of respect i live slightly in the real world and with

regards _ slightly in the real world and with regards to the mental health issue, there _ regards to the mental health issue, there are _ regards to the mental health issue, there are people sadly who have got mental— there are people sadly who have got mental health issues, and they... sorry. _ mental health issues, and they... sorry. let — mental health issues, and they... sorry, let me finish, for once, for goodness' — sorry, let me finish, for once, for goodness' sake, you are all about democracy, — goodness' sake, you are all about democracy, let me have my say. i am trying _ democracy, let me have my say. i am trying to— democracy, let me have my say. i am trying to live — democracy, let me have my say. i am trying to live in the real world where — trying to live in the real world where people with some strange delusions attacked the royals and police _ delusions attacked the royals and police and others and myjob as a police _ police and others and myjob as a police officer was to keep them safe, _ police officer was to keep them safe, that — police officer was to keep them safe, that is all i am saying. i know— safe, that is all i am saying. i know all— safe, that is all i am saying. i know all about mental health issues, trust me _ know all about mental health issues, trust me so — know all about mental health issues, trust me. so with great respect... with— trust me. so with great respect... with regards to presidentjohnson, i say again. _ with regards to presidentjohnson, i say again, you feel so strongly, stand _ say again, you feel so strongly, stand for— say again, you feel so strongly, stand for election or get somebody in your— stand for election or get somebody in your party, probably labour, to, or the _ in your party, probably labour, to, or the socialist workers, to stand for election — or the socialist workers, to stand for election and see how popular you are, that _ for election and see how popular you are, that is _ for election and see how popular you are, that is my point.— are, that is my point. thank you very much _ are, that is my point. thank you very much indeed, _ are, that is my point. thank you very much indeed, everybody. l are, that is my point. thank you l very much indeed, everybody. we are, that is my point. thank you - very much indeed, everybody. we will be back, gather your thoughts and we want to hear from be back, gather your thoughts and we want to hearfrom people. let's hear from the people, let's hearfrom want to hearfrom people. let's hear from the people, let's hear from the subjects, let's hearfrom the republicans and monarchists and

protesters and people who are going to travel from wide and far. wide anfa? nearand to travel from wide and far. wide anfa? near and far! to travel from wide and far. wide anfa? nearand far! 08085 to travel from wide and far. wide anfa? near and far! 08085 909693, and text on 85058. our question this morning — are coronation protests 0k? it is 9.35. and here is the news, from bethan holmes. the uk's security minister says britain is "prepared for the security challenge" of king charles' coronation on saturday. tom tugendhat has also praised the police for responding quickly last night after a man threw what appeared to be shotgun cartridges into the grounds of buckingham palace. preparations are under way for the final evacuation flight of british nationals to leave sudan. those wanting to leave were told

to get to a hotel in port sudan. the deadline to reach there was an hour ago. there was around half an hour ago. a man is due in court this morning charged with murder in connection with a fatal stabbing in cornwall on sunday. jake hill, who's 2a and from bodmin, is also accused of attempted murder. 32—year—old michael allen suffered fatal injuries near a nightclub in the town. and it's the final day of campaigning ahead of tomorrow's local elections in many parts of england. more than 8,000 seats will be up for grabs across 230 local authorities. here is katie smith with the sport. arsenal are back at the summit of the premier league table after beating chelsea 3—1 at the emirates — how long will it last? manchester city are two points behind, they host west ham tonight, the first of their two games in hand. former chelsea goalkeeper mark schwarzer says none of the players look fully committed.

it's their sixth loss in a row in all competitions, they're 12th in the table. chelsea women's fran kirby says she's absolutely gutted to miss the world cup this summer. the england midfielder has revealed her season is over after needing surgery on a knee innjury. lionel messi has been suspended by paris st germain for two weeks after travelling to saudi arabia without the club's permission this week. he will not train or play for psg during the period of his suspension. and rory mcilroy has revealed his "mental and emotional wellbeing" was a reason for him withdrawing from the rbc heritage event last month just a week after he missed the cut at the masters in augusta. he makes his return to competition at this week's wells fargo championship. join us to celebrate the coronation of their majesties king and queen camilla. witness history in the making, with a weekend of special events.

including live coverage of the coronation service at westminster abbey. and front row seats to the coronation concert featuring some of the biggest acts in music. celebrate the coronation with us on bbc one and iplayer. good morning, what entrants into interesting debate this morning about protests at the coronation. at ten o'clock this morning, something we do every wednesday, and it is always enlightening and it is difficult for the politicians, because they have to feel, and hopefully answer, your questions. —— field. and it is ahead of pmqs which is at 12 you can put questions to a

collection, a triumvirate, of mps. we have got richard graham, conservative mp for gloucester, nick thomas simmons, labour mp, shadow secretary of state for international trade, and layla moran, lib dems mp for oxford west and abingdon. get your questions in now. coronation protests, strikes, tuition fees, some people say that it is in the papers today that keir starmer is saying it is no longer a priority because of the economic situation. trust in the civil service. you name it, you ask it. and if you are texting is, can ijust remind you to put where you are from and put your name as well, that would be really helpful. thank you for that. it is 9.39.

we welcome more good people, sylvia in surrey, good morning to you. good morning. peter in durham, top of the morning, peter. morning. peter in durham, top of the morning. peter-— morning. peter in durham, top of the morning, peter._ and | morning, peter. good morning. and we've not morning, peter. good morning. and we've got ben _ morning, peter. good morning. and we've got ben as — morning, peter. good morning. and we've got ben as well. _ morning, peter. good morning. and we've got ben as well. ben - we've got ben as well. ben gwalchmai, anti—monarchists campaigner. hello, ben, how are you doing? campaigner. hello, ben, how are you doin:? ., ., campaigner. hello, ben, how are you doing?_ are _ campaigner. hello, ben, how are you doing?_ are you - campaigner. hello, ben, how are you doing?_ are you going i doing? hello, thanks. are you going to be there. — doing? hello, thanks. are you going to be there, ben, _ doing? hello, thanks. are you going to be there, ben, on _ doing? hello, thanks. are you going to be there, ben, on the _ doing? hello, thanks. are you going to be there, ben, on the big - doing? hello, thanks. are you going to be there, ben, on the big day? i l to be there, ben, on the big day? i am. you mean in london? no. no. many of my friends will be in cardiff, where we will be holding a small march in protest, essentially to encourage people to towards

republicanism, but we will not be celebrating a billionaire sitting on an old chair. i celebrating a billionaire sitting on an old chair-— an old chair. i didn't expect you would be _ an old chair. i didn't expect you would be celebrating, - an old chair. i didn't expect you would be celebrating, i - an old chair. i didn't expect you would be celebrating, i thought an old chair. i didn't expect you - would be celebrating, i thought you might be there shouting, he is not in my name, or he is not my king, i thought you might have made the homage, the pilgrimage to central london. but you are not going to be there protesting. if you were there protesting, what would you be chanting? taste protesting, what would you be chantin: ? ~ . ., ., protesting, what would you be chantina? ~ . ., ., ., chanting? we had about that from simon earlier _ chanting? we had about that from simon earlier on, _ chanting? we had about that from simon earlier on, the _ chanting? we had about that from simon earlier on, the chance. - chanting? we had about that from simon earlier on, the chance. i. simon earlier on, the chance. i mean, i think every different nation of the uk will have different charts. i know that there are some welsh language songs we will be singing in cardiff, i think the celtic fans gave us quite an interesting one most recently up in scotland. full slate famously, not a club steeped in loyalism. indeed. but very entertaining. and also true

to how people really kind of feel about the coronation, especially recent polls show that most people think we as taxpayers should not be paying for it. but were i in london, i would certainly be chanting, not miking, and abolish the monarchy. sylvia, what do you think? i miking, and abolish the monarchy. sylvia, what do you think?- sylvia, what do you think? i think he's totally _ sylvia, what do you think? i think he's totally wrong. _ sylvia, what do you think? i think he's totally wrong. they - sylvia, what do you think? i think he's totally wrong. they bring - sylvia, what do you think? i think he's totally wrong. they bring an | he's totally wrong. they bring an awful— he's totally wrong. they bring an awful lot — he's totally wrong. they bring an awful lot of money into the country. can i_ awful lot of money into the country. can i come — awful lot of money into the country. can i come back, nicky? sorry. don�*t can i come back, nicky? sorry. don't wor , can i come back, nicky? sorry. don't worry. sylvia. _ can i come back, nicky? sorry. don't worry. sylvia. the — can i come back, nicky? sorry. don't worry, sylvia, the essence _ can i come back, nicky? sorry. don't worry, sylvia, the essence of- can i come back, nicky? sorry. don't worry, sylvia, the essence of what we are discussing this morning is the right for people to say, no, they don't, and the right for people to go to the coronation on saturday and chance, not miking, i do not want this. isn't that something to celebrate? should we be celebrating, even though you are a monarchist, the fact that we live in a society in which people can do that? sylvia?

we have lost sylvia. we've lost the line, we have lost sylvia. we've lost the line. i_ we have lost sylvia. we've lost the line. iwill— we have lost sylvia. we've lost the line, i will pick it up with tom in sunderland. line, i will pick it up with tom in sunderland— line, i will pick it up with tom in sunderland. ., ., m sunderland. good morning, tom. good morninu. i sunderland. good morning, tom. good morning- lwill— sunderland. good morning, tom. good morning. iwillthrow_ sunderland. good morning, tom. good morning. i will throw the _ sunderland. good morning, tom. good morning. i will throw the question - morning. i will throw the question to ou, morning. i will throw the question to you. isn't _ morning. i will throw the question to you. isn't it _ morning. i will throw the question to you, isn't it great, _ morning. i will throw the question to you, isn't it great, shouldn't i morning. i will throw the question | to you, isn't it great, shouldn't we be celebrating, even if you love everything about the royal family, shouldn't you be saying, this is great, what a country we live in, that we can have this? i great, what a country we live in, that we can have this?- great, what a country we live in, that we can have this? i agree, you should be allowed _ that we can have this? i agree, you should be allowed to _ that we can have this? i agree, you should be allowed to protest, - that we can have this? i agree, you should be allowed to protest, but l should be allowed to protest, but there _ should be allowed to protest, but there is— should be allowed to protest, but there is a — should be allowed to protest, but there is a time and a place and i don't _ there is a time and a place and i don't think— there is a time and a place and i don't think maybe this is the time or the _ don't think maybe this is the time or the place, to be there. to kind of backtracked on my kind of opinion, _ of backtracked on my kind of opinion, i_ of backtracked on my kind of opinion, i am a monarchist, of backtracked on my kind of opinion, iam a monarchist, charles is not _ opinion, iam a monarchist, charles is not necessarily my cup of tea but i is not necessarily my cup of tea but i have _ is not necessarily my cup of tea but i have got _ is not necessarily my cup of tea but i have got respect for the institution, charles has got a lot of personal baggage, camilla does as well, both— of personal baggage, camilla does as well, both have had their images rehabilitated but maybe not to the extent _ rehabilitated but maybe not to the extent of... rehabilitated but maybe not to the extent of- - -_ extent of... sylvia is there, you carry on. _ extent of... sylvia is there, you carry on. don't _ extent of... sylvia is there, you carry on, don't worry. _ extent of. .. sylvia is there, you carry on, don't worry. i -

extent of. .. sylvia is there, you carry on, don't worry. i will- extent of... sylvia is there, you carry on, don't worry. i will be i carry on, don't worry. i will be with you, sylvia.— carry on, don't worry. i will be with you, sylvia. erm... maybe they have not with you, sylvia. erm... maybe they have rrot had — with you, sylvia. erm... maybe they have not had their _ with you, sylvia. erm... maybe they have not had their images _ have not had their images rehabilitated to the level that they need for— rehabilitated to the level that they need for it to be kind of a popular thing _ need for it to be kind of a popular thing to— need for it to be kind of a popular thing to happen. but to me, if it was william that we were talking about, _ was william that we were talking about, i— was william that we were talking about, i think a lot of young people would _ about, i think a lot of young people would associate with him and his young _ would associate with him and his young family. and i think that would sway a _ young family. and i think that would sway a lot _ young family. and i think that would sway a lot of people to back the coronation, if it was somebody different. _ coronation, if it was somebody different, maybe like william. yes, i aet different, maybe like william. yes, i net that, different, maybe like william. yes, i get that. but _ different, maybe like william. yes, i get that, but what _ different, maybe like william. is: i get that, but what about the protest? do you think it's the wrong time and the wrong place, save it for another occasion, time and the wrong place, save it foranother occasion, is time and the wrong place, save it for another occasion, is that your basic message? i for another occasion, is that your basic message?— for another occasion, is that your basic message? for another occasion, is that your basic messaue? ., , ., basic message? i would say maybe do it before, basic message? i would say maybe do it before. do — basic message? i would say maybe do it before, do it — basic message? i would say maybe do it before, do it afterwards, _ basic message? i would say maybe do it before, do it afterwards, the - it before, do it afterwards, the coronation _ it before, do it afterwards, the coronation is going to happen, charles— coronation is going to happen, charles is— coronation is going to happen, charles is king whether they like it or not. _ charles is king whether they like it or not. the — charles is king whether they like it or not, the chances of britain going to a republic— or not, the chances of britain going to a republic is incredibly slim. i would _ to a republic is incredibly slim. i would say— to a republic is incredibly slim. i would say enjoy the day off, enjoy the bank— would say enjoy the day off, enjoy the bank holiday. it is great pr to the bank holiday. it is great pr to

the country. no—one can do pump and ceremony— the country. no—one can do pump and ceremony like we can. just maybe the republicans _ ceremony like we can. just maybe the republicans have a day off and let the rest _ republicans have a day off and let the rest of — republicans have a day off and let the rest of the country and the world — the rest of the country and the world who _ the rest of the country and the world who are watching enjoy a great ceremony— world who are watching enjoy a great ceremony absolutely lets hear their opinions _ ceremony absolutely lets hear their opinions before and after it but on the actual— opinions before and after it but on the actual day let us and the rest of the _ the actual day let us and the rest of the world enjoy it for what it is. of the world en'oy it for what it is. ., . , of the world enjoy it for what it is. .. , what of the world enjoy it for what it is.- what would - of the world enjoy it for what it is.- what would it - of the world enjoy it for what it is.- what would it look| is. exactly. what would it look like. . . is. exactly. what would it look like... i is. exactly. what would it look like... mau— is. exactly. what would it look like... i will ask— is. exactly. what would it look like... i will ask you _ is. exactly. what would it look like... i will ask you this, - is. exactly. what would it look i like... i will ask you this, sylvia, you are back with us, we lost you for a second, can you hear me loud and clear?— for a second, can you hear me loud and clear? , ., , ., ., and clear? yes, i can hear you now. excellent — and clear? yes, i can hear you now. excellent. what _ and clear? yes, i can hear you now. excellent. what would _ and clear? yes, i can hear you now. excellent. what would it _ and clear? yes, i can hear you now. excellent. what would it look - and clear? yes, i can hear you now. excellent. what would it look like, l excellent. what would it look like, and tom mentions the rest of the world watching, it is going to be an occasion of a global television audience in large numbers, what if a protester was there chanting and then in the rest of the world they saw him or her being dragged off, how would that look to the rest of the world? ihlat

how would that look to the rest of the world? ., , how would that look to the rest of the world?— how would that look to the rest of the world? ., , ., ., the world? not very well, i do agree there. but there _ the world? not very well, i do agree there. but there are _ the world? not very well, i do agree there. but there are so _ the world? not very well, i do agree there. but there are so many - the world? not very well, i do agree there. but there are so many days i the world? not very well, i do agree| there. but there are so many days in there. but there are so many days in the year— there. but there are so many days in the year where, apart from this particular— the year where, apart from this particular one, they could protest. just let— particular one, they could protest. just let everybody, let the world see that — just let everybody, let the world see that england, for a change, can be a great _ see that england, for a change, can be a great country.— see that england, for a change, can be a great country. indeed, we heard from wales — be a great country. indeed, we heard from wales as _ be a great country. indeed, we heard from wales as well. _ be a great country. indeed, we heard from wales as well. ben, _ be a great country. indeed, we heard from wales as well. ben, do - be a great country. indeed, we heard from wales as well. ben, do you - be a great country. indeed, we heard| from wales as well. ben, do you want to come back there?— to come back there? yes, i would like to come _ to come back there? yes, i would like to come back _ to come back there? yes, i would like to come back on _ to come back there? yes, i would like to come back on many - to come back there? yes, i would like to come back on many of - to come back there? yes, i would i like to come back on many of those points if that is ok. so, on the economy, you only need to ask france, or stan collymore, a footballer for england who has shown that the tourist trade is not built on the royal family, it is built on royal grounds, we could get rid of the royal family and still get more tourists, one palace in france, one palace, brings in more money for the french economy than all of the royal family here. and they have many

palaces in france. just as we could. so, when it comes to the economic argument for the monarchy, i disagree, and france disproves it. so, when we come to protest, we have to look back at history. would the suffragettes have been as effective if they had said, oh, we will only do it when it is not too much of a bother, don't worry about us, we will only do it when you're not talking about it. don't worry about us, we only want votes, when you really care to give us the votes, because then change would never happen. protest has to be a little bit disruptive, and we have to have the legal freedom to make that disruption clear in a peaceful manner. now, i disruption clear in a peaceful manner. now, lam not suggesting disruption clear in a peaceful manner. now, i am not suggesting we need the same tactics as the suffragettes, but the current legislation coming from the uk government is one in a long line of authoritarian pieces of legislation from the uk government, and people

who say, you know, don't protest now, don't do this, encourages the government to then legislate to stop people protesting to make change. environmental protesters, for example, i have great sympathy with. just this morning... example, i have great sympathy with. just this morning. . ._ just this morning... so-called eco zealots, just this morning... so-called eco zealots. as _ just this morning... so-called eco zealots, as the _ just this morning... so-called eco zealots, as the home _ just this morning... so-called eco zealots, as the home secretary i zealots, as the home secretary suella braverman referred to them. and, they are not eco zealots, really, because theyjust want and, they are not eco zealots, really, because they just want a future! suella braverman's rhetoric is some of the most far right rhetoric we have seen in years. and this is again a long line of this authoritarianism, and people that agree with that rhetoric, people that agree that protesters should not disrupt us, people should get off our roads, i am going to run over them if they get in my way... all of this stuff will only leave the uk further and further to the far right, into that authoritarianism. ., ., , authoritarianism. you say that but some people _ authoritarianism. you say that but some people say _ authoritarianism. you say that but some people say they _ authoritarianism. you say that but some people say they are - authoritarianism. you say that but some people say they are entirely| some people say they are entirely reasonable when it comes to dealing

with prolonged disruption of any essential goods or services such as money, fuel, or energy, and that is the heart up the protest that we have seen on the m25 and in other places and in lancashire. an interesting phrase from ben, good morning, how are you this morning, anne, are you looking forward to the p°mp anne, are you looking forward to the pomp and pageantry of the weekend? yes, i am. pomp and pageantry of the weekend? yes, lam. ithink pomp and pageantry of the weekend? yes, i am. i think for us to have a monarchy that we can date back centuries is an amazing feat that we should be proud of. and yes, everybody is entitled to protest, absolutely. and to liken this to the suffragettes is really... absolutely. and to liken this to the suffragettes is really. . ._ suffragettes is really... why? because it — suffragettes is really... why? because it is _ suffragettes is really... why? because it is not _ suffragettes is really... why? because it is not even - suffragettes is really... why? because it is not even in - suffragettes is really... why? because it is not even in the l suffragettes is really... why? - because it is not even in the same ballpark 50% of this country was not allowed any say whatsoever. from the people i speak to, a minority, that

really are antimonarchist. and if we go to a country like france, like america, we are rubbish at choosing our mps, never mind choosing the head of state, we don't do very well with the other elections. look where we are. ., , with the other elections. look where we are. .,, .. with the other elections. look where we are. .,, ., with the other elections. look where weare. ~, ., , we are. people can ask mps what they want to ask mps, _ we are. people can ask mps what they want to ask mps, but _ we are. people can ask mps what they want to ask mps, but to _ we are. people can ask mps what they want to ask mps, but to listen, - we are. people can ask mps what they want to ask mps, but to listen, what l want to ask mps, but to listen, what about the point that ben made, what we are talking about, it depends which poll you looked at, maybe 30%, 35%, republicans, that is a considerable amount of people, but also, if they want to protest against the monarchy, isn't this, anne, isn't this the perfect day to

do it? ., ~ , anne, isn't this the perfect day to doit? .,~ _,., ., do it? no. why spoil all those eo - le do it? no. why spoil all those people who — do it? no. why spoil all those people who really _ do it? no. why spoil all those people who really enjoy - do it? no. why spoil all those people who really enjoy it - do it? no. why spoil all those - people who really enjoy it because you don't? that in my world is called selfish, it's not called democracy. let the people that want to enjoy it enjoy it, you protest, right into your newspapers, go on your stupid instagrams and whatever. on your stupid what, i missed that? instagrams and all those, i am a luddite when it comes to it, so... but protest on all those things, have your fun, but protest on all those things, have yourfun, have but protest on all those things, have your fun, have your say, but protest on all those things, have yourfun, have your say, but leave the people alone that want to enjoy it. leave the people alone that want to en'o it. . , leave the people alone that want to enjoy it-_ who - leave the people alone that want to enjoy it._ who said i enjoy it. yes, definitely. who said that? that — enjoy it. yes, definitely. who said that? that was _ enjoy it. yes, definitely. who said that? that was pete _ enjoy it. yes, definitely. who said that? that was pete in _ enjoy it. yes, definitely. who said that? that was pete in durham. i enjoy it. yes, definitely. who said l that? that was pete in durham. go on, pete, that? that was pete in durham. go on. pete. pick— that? that was pete in durham. go on. pete. pick pp _ that? that was pete in durham. go on, pete, pick up the _ that? that was pete in durham. go on, pete, pick up the baton. - on, pete, pick up the baton. basically, whether you agree with it or you _ basically, whether you agree with it or you don't, you can protest, that

is fine, _ or you don't, you can protest, that is fine, but — or you don't, you can protest, that is fine, but there is certain times in history. — is fine, but there is certain times in history, like, one of the other callers _ in history, like, one of the other callers said. _ in history, like, one of the other callers said, our monarchy has gone on for— callers said, our monarchy has gone on for centuries and centuries, but iwill— on for centuries and centuries, but i will be _ on for centuries and centuries, but i will be watching firstly because i have served in the military, so, that— have served in the military, so, that kind — have served in the military, so, that kind of— have served in the military, so, that kind of puts us on one side of the fence — that kind of puts us on one side of the fence a — that kind of puts us on one side of the fence a little bit more than the other, _ the fence a little bit more than the other, but— the fence a little bit more than the other, but to me, i will be sitting on saturday with my kids and watching _ on saturday with my kids and watching with them, i will be explaining, this is history, this is a historic— explaining, this is history, this is a historic moment, and i get they can protest, absolutely fine, but there _ can protest, absolutely fine, but there are — can protest, absolutely fine, but there are 365 and a bit days in a year. _ there are 365 and a bit days in a year. if— there are 365 and a bit days in a year. if it— there are 365 and a bit days in a year. if it is— there are 365 and a bit days in a year, if it is such a big thing for them, — year, if it is such a big thing for them, why— year, if it is such a big thing for them, why are they not outside the palace _ them, why are they not outside the palace every day, do they disagree with all— palace every day, do they disagree with all military personnel? because obviously— with all military personnel? because obviously you swear allegiance to the monarchy, whoever is serving, so, when _ the monarchy, whoever is serving, so, when i — the monarchy, whoever is serving, so, when ijoined it was queen elizabeth— so, when ijoined it was queen elizabeth ii, so you swear allegiance to her and her heirs and

successors — allegiance to her and her heirs and successors, so, all the people who are against— successors, so, all the people who are against the monarchy, would they be against _ are against the monarchy, would they be against all serving military personnel because they swear allegiance to protect and serve not 'ust allegiance to protect and serve not just the _ allegiance to protect and serve not just the crown but the country as well? _ just the crown but the country as well? so. — just the crown but the country as well? so, as soldiers we would not care if— well? so, as soldiers we would not care if you — well? so, as soldiers we would not care if you were a royalist or a republican or whatever it is, we will protect everybody in our country _ will protect everybody in our country. so, why are they not making these _ country. so, why are they not making these protests every day? because buckingham palace is on the news all the time, _ buckingham palace is on the news all the time, so — buckingham palace is on the news all the time, so why not do it every day? _ the time, so why not do it every da ? . . ~ the time, so why not do it every da ? ., ,~' , ., , the time, so why not do it every da? , day? let me ask you this, as annex military man. _ day? let me ask you this, as annex military man, and _ day? let me ask you this, as annex military man, and i _ day? let me ask you this, as annex military man, and i know, - day? let me ask you this, as annex military man, and i know, speakingj military man, and i know, speaking to a lot of ex—soldiers and so forth, they refer to the late queen as the boss, how would they feel on saturday, tell me about the sense of pride that you feel? . it saturday, tell me about the sense of pride that you feel?— pride that you feel? , it will be massive- _ pride that you feel? , it will be massive- l _ pride that you feel? , it will be massive. i have _ pride that you feel? , it will be massive. i have got _ pride that you feel? , it will be massive. i have got friends - pride that you feel? , it will be | massive. i have got friends that still serve. _ massive. i have got friends that still serve, i am a veteran now, but talking _ still serve, i am a veteran now, but talking to _ still serve, i am a veteran now, but talking to them about the changes that have — talking to them about the changes that have been made across the board in the _ that have been made across the board in the military. to me it is always a proud _

in the military. to me it is always a proud moment even queen elizabeth's funeral, even then i felt a _ elizabeth's funeral, even then i felt a bit — elizabeth's funeral, even then i felt a bit of pride following that because — felt a bit of pride following that because that was obviously the boss, as we _ because that was obviously the boss, as we would — because that was obviously the boss, as we would refer to her as. so, it is pride _ as we would refer to her as. so, it is pride and — as we would refer to her as. so, it is pride and it— as we would refer to her as. so, it is pride and it is a massive change in the _ is pride and it is a massive change in the country's history and i get that some — in the country's history and i get that some people don't agree with the monarchy for whatever reason, financial— the monarchy for whatever reason, financial or — the monarchy for whatever reason, financial or whatever, that is nothing. _ financial or whatever, that is nothing, there is a lot of pride for people _ nothing, there is a lot of pride for people out— nothing, there is a lot of pride for people out there who are veterans that are _ people out there who are veterans that are watching this because there is a massive change in history and military— is a massive change in history and military history as well as the country's _ military history as well as the country's history and kids are going to learn— country's history and kids are going to learn about history so if they don't _ to learn about history so if they don't agree with the royal family, you still— don't agree with the royal family, you still learn about henry viii and his wives _ you still learn about henry viii and his wives back when you were in school — his wives back when you were in school so — his wives back when you were in school. so it is something they are going _ school. so it is something they are going to _ school. so it is something they are going to learn about so why not learn _ going to learn about so why not learn about it by watching it, rather — learn about it by watching it, rather than having it disrupted, and i rather than having it disrupted, and idon't _ rather than having it disrupted, and idon't want — rather than having it disrupted, and i don't want history to be, this is when _ i don't want history to be, this is when the — i don't want history to be, this is when the group of the republicans decided _ when the group of the republicans decided to make a massive mess of something — decided to make a massive mess of something that is centuries old than what that— something that is centuries old than what that individual is. a tradition

that has— what that individual is. a tradition that has been around long day, if that has been around long day, if that makes sense.— that has been around long day, if that makes sense. thank you so much for caettin that makes sense. thank you so much for getting in — that makes sense. thank you so much for getting in touch _ that makes sense. thank you so much for getting in touch with _ that makes sense. thank you so much for getting in touch with us. _ for getting in touch with us. patricia in bradford, do you agree with that? , ., , with that? yes, i do, utterly. i think it's _ with that? yes, i do, utterly. i think it's shocking. _ with that? yes, i do, utterly. i think it's shocking. i— with that? yes, i do, utterly. i think it's shocking. i think - think it's shocking. i think everybody— think it's shocking. i think everybody from _ think it's shocking. i think everybody from around i think it's shocking. i thinki everybody from around the think it's shocking. i think- everybody from around the world comes _ everybody from around the world comes for— everybody from around the world comes for this _ everybody from around the world comes for this occasion, - everybody from around the world comes for this occasion, not - everybody from around the world comes for this occasion, not just| comes for this occasion, not just us, comes for this occasion, not just us and — comes for this occasion, not just us and why— comes for this occasion, not just us, and why should _ comes for this occasion, not just us, and why should it— comes for this occasion, not just us, and why should it be - comes for this occasion, not just i us, and why should it be disrupted for idiots— us, and why should it be disrupted for idiots that _ us, and why should it be disrupted for idiots that do _ us, and why should it be disrupted for idiots that do that? _ us, and why should it be disrupted for idiots that do that? let - us, and why should it be disrupted for idiots that do that? let they i us, and why should it be disruptedj for idiots that do that? let they do it on other— for idiots that do that? let they do it on other days, _ for idiots that do that? let they do it on other days, why _ for idiots that do that? let they do it on other days, why is _ for idiots that do that? let they do it on other days, why is it- for idiots that do that? let they do it on other days, why is it to - for idiots that do that? let they do it on other days, why is it to be - it on other days, why is it to be this— it on other days, why is it to be this day? — it on other days, why is it to be this day? they're _ it on other days, why is it to be this day? they're spoiling - it on other days, why is it to be this day? they're spoiling it - it on other days, why is it to be this day? they're spoiling it forj this day? they're spoiling it for everybody _ this day? they're spoiling it for everybody. '— this day? they're spoiling it for everybody. i am _ this day? they're spoiling it for everybody. i am a _ this day? they're spoiling it for everybody. i am a royalist. - this day? they're spoiling it for everybody. iam a royalist. i. this day? they're spoiling it fori everybody. i am a royalist. i am ex-police, — everybody. i am a royalist. i am ex—police, special— everybody. i am a royalist. i am ex—police, special constable, i everybody. i am a royalist. i am i ex—police, special constable, and i am a _ ex—police, special constable, and i am a community— ex—police, special constable, and i am a community police _ ex—police, special constable, and i am a community police officer. - ex—police, special constable, and i am a community police officer. it's not right, — am a community police officer. it's not right, what— am a community police officer. it's not right, what they're _ am a community police officer. it's not right, what they're doing. - not right, what they're doing. people — not right, what they're doing. people have _ not right, what they're doing. people have got— not right, what they're doing. people have got to _ not right, what they're doing. people have got to be - not right, what they're doing. people have got to be there i not right, what they're doing. | people have got to be there to supervise _ people have got to be there to supervise everything, - people have got to be there to supervise everything, and - people have got to be there to supervise everything, and it. people have got to be there to supervise everything, and it is| people have got to be there to. supervise everything, and it is a beautiful— supervise everything, and it is a beautiful day, _ supervise everything, and it is a beautiful day, i— supervise everything, and it is a beautiful day, i hope _ supervise everything, and it is a beautiful day, i hope so, - supervise everything, and it is a beautiful day, i hope so, but. supervise everything, and it is al beautiful day, i hope so, but why spoil— beautiful day, i hope so, but why spoil it. — beautiful day, i hope so, but why spoil it. why— beautiful day, i hope so, but why spoil it, why can't _ beautiful day, i hope so, but why spoil it, why can't they— beautiful day, i hope so, but why spoil it, why can't they do - beautiful day, i hope so, but why spoil it, why can't they do it - spoil it, why can't they do it elsewhere? _ spoil it, why can't they do it elsewhere? all— spoil it, why can't they do it elsewhere? all over- spoil it, why can't they do it elsewhere? all over the - spoil it, why can't they do it i elsewhere? all over the world spoil it, why can't they do it -

elsewhere? all over the world are coming _ elsewhere? all over the world are coming here — elsewhere? all over the world are coming here for— elsewhere? all over the world are coming here for this. _ elsewhere? all over the world are coming here for this.— coming here for this. really great because this _ coming here for this. really great because this morning _ coming here for this. really great because this morning on - coming here for this. really great because this morning on both - coming here for this. really great i because this morning on both sides, it is four minutes to ten, ijust want to hearfrom riz it is four minutes to ten, ijust want to hear from riz from it is four minutes to ten, ijust want to hearfrom riz from republic uk, thanks for being on, ijust want you to respond directly, and good morning to you, ijust want you to respond directly, and good morning to you, i just want you you to respond directly, and good morning to you, ijust want you to respond directly to patricia there, why spoil it for everybody, answer patricia's question, straight to patricia, look her in the eye! i patricia, look her in the eye! i mean, there is a bunch of responses i would have to all of the things... i would have to all of the things... i am looking at the clock, just speak to patricia. the i am looking at the clock, 'ust speak to patriciai i am looking at the clock, 'ust speak to patricia. the reason that --eole speak to patricia. the reason that people have _ speak to patricia. the reason that people have to — speak to patricia. the reason that people have to be _ speak to patricia. the reason that people have to be there - speak to patricia. the reason that people have to be there on - speak to patricia. the reason that people have to be there on that i speak to patricia. the reason that i people have to be there on that day is simply, this is a day when people will be talking about the monarchy, and part of that conversation should be about the future of the monarchy. i think it is totally true what pete says about this is a historical moment, in my view, let history be history. we can learn lessons and we can progress into the future, i

think the key point here is that the monarchy is just not the best indicator of british excellence, and i think we can have totally pride in our communities, pride in our history, whilst also taking a critical look at how those things are failing us, and have an elected head of state who can better represent the interests of british people and particularly working—class british people. people and particularly working-class british people. yes, i wonder if you _ working-class british people. yes, i wonder if you want _ working-class british people. yes, i wonder if you want to _ working-class british people. yes, i wonder if you want to come - working-class british people. yes, i wonder if you want to come back i working-class british people. yes, i wonder if you want to come back on that... go on. patricia...— that... go on. patricia... yes, i do. that... go on. patricia... yes, i do- they _ that... go on. patricia... yes, i do- they are — that... go on. patricia... yes, i do. they are not _ that... go on. patricia... yes, i do. they are not excellence, i that... go on. patricia... yes, i. do. they are not excellence, they are not do. they are not excellence, they are rrot an — do. they are not excellence, they are not an example _ do. they are not excellence, they are not an example of— do. they are not excellence, they are not an example of british - are not an example of british excellence, we heard from riz. i don't know where she gets that from, all over— don't know where she gets that from, all over the _ don't know where she gets that from, all over the world people come for this occasion. this place is a royal~~~ _ this occasion. this place is a royalm it— this occasion. this place is a royal... it belongs to the royalty, and it— royal... it belongs to the royalty, and it has— royal... it belongs to the royalty, and it has gone through history. what _ and it has gone through history. what do — and it has gone through history. what do you mean?— and it has gone through history. what do you mean? nobody else has not this

what do you mean? nobody else has got this history- _ what do you mean? nobody else has got this history. what _ what do you mean? nobody else has got this history. what do _ what do you mean? nobody else has got this history. what do you - what do you mean? nobody else has got this history. what do you mean i got this history. what do you mean b this got this history. what do you mean by this place _ got this history. what do you mean by this place belongs _ got this history. what do you mean by this place belongs to _ got this history. what do you mean by this place belongs to the - by this place belongs to the royalty? it by this place belongs to the ro al ? , ., , ., by this place belongs to the roal ? , ., ,., ,__ royalty? it belongs to the royalty, the were royalty? it belongs to the royalty, they were here, _ royalty? it belongs to the royalty, they were here, they've _ royalty? it belongs to the royalty, they were here, they've always i royalty? it belongs to the royalty, i they were here, they've always been here _ they were here, they've always been here but _ they were here, they've always been here but it — they were here, they've always been here. but it belongs to everybody. sorry. _ here. but it belongs to everybody. sorry. i— here. but it belongs to everybody. sorry, i misspoke. it�*s here. but it belongs to everybody. sorry, i misspoke.— sorry, i misspoke. it's fine, i 'ust wanted to — sorry, i misspoke. it's fine, i 'ust wanted to picki sorry, i misspoke. it's fine, i 'ust wanted to pick you i sorry, i misspoke. it's fine, i 'ust wanted to pick you up i sorry, i misspoke. it's fine, i 'ust wanted to pick you up on i sorry, i misspoke. it's fine, ijust wanted to pick you up on that. i sorry, i misspoke. it's fine, ijusti wanted to pick you up on that. this country belongs to everybody, but why have — country belongs to everybody, but why have to pick what is going to be this special— why have to pick what is going to be this special occasion by disrupting with all— this special occasion by disrupting with all the banners and things? it with all the banners and things? belongs to with all the banners and things? it belongs to riz as well, it belongs to the people who don't want the royalty. i to the people who don't want the ro al . ~ ., to the people who don't want the roal. , to the people who don't want the roal. royalty. i know it belongs to --eole, royalty. i know it belongs to people. but _ royalty. i know it belongs to people. but why _ royalty. i know it belongs to people, but why on - royalty. i know it belongs to people, but why on this i royalty. i know it belongs to i people, but why on this particular day? _ people, but why on this particular day? people are fed up of all these demonstrators and everything. go on, riz, come demonstrators and everything. go on, riz. come back _ demonstrators and everything. go on, riz, come back on _ demonstrators and everything. go on, riz, come back on that _ demonstrators and everything. go on, riz, come back on that i _ demonstrators and everything. go on, riz, come back on that i will _ demonstrators and everything. go on, riz, come back on that i will have i riz, come back on that i will have to interrupt when we go to the news, but van. figs to interrupt when we go to the news, but van. �* . to interrupt when we go to the news, but van. . , ., ., but van. as i said the reason on this day is _ but van. as i said the reason on this day is because _ but van. as i said the reason on this day is because we - but van. as i said the reason on this day is because we have i but van. as i said the reason on this day is because we have got| but van. as i said the reason on i this day is because we have got to be talking about this issue. it was raised earlier the question of whether or not the monarchy are good economic look, and we know that it is completely untrue, the estimated

total annual cost of the monarchy is £345 million per year, that is taxpayer money, and to be clear they do pay for a lot of their lifestyles through their estates, through investments that they have, but all of those could be redistributed to british people, right now, when we need it. ithink british people, right now, when we need it. i think as we are coming out of a winter where people have been... ., ., ., ., 4' been... how would that work, redistribution, _ been... how would that work, redistribution, very _ been... how would that work, redistribution, very quickly, i been... how would that work, | redistribution, very quickly, 30 seconds? taste redistribution, very quickly, 30 seconds? ~ ., , , redistribution, very quickly, 30 seconds? ~ , , ., redistribution, very quickly, 30 seconds? , , ., , seconds? we absolutely should be redistributing _ seconds? we absolutely should be redistributing the _ seconds? we absolutely should be redistributing the assets _ seconds? we absolutely should be redistributing the assets of - seconds? we absolutely should be redistributing the assets of the i redistributing the assets of the monarchy, the monarchy should not be inheriting the type of money that they are, as we are coming out of this winter with a cost of living crisis, it is a slap in the face for the british people to to king riding through the streets of london in a golden carriage and a crown when we need to better support the livelihoods and interests of british people. livelihoods and interests of british eo - le. ~ , livelihoods and interests of british --eole. ~ , a, livelihoods and interests of british neale, , a, t, livelihoods and interests of british --eole. , a, a, people. what would you do with the ro al people. what would you do with the royal residences, _ people. what would you do with the royal residences, who _ people. what would you do with the royal residences, who would - people. what would you do with the royal residences, who would live - royal residences, who would live there? , ~ , ., ., there? this weekend i will be at a rotest in there? this weekend i will be at a protest in oxford _ there? this weekend i will be at a protest in oxford supporting - there? this weekend i will be at a protest in oxford supporting my l protest in oxford supporting my local community and raising money for homelessness charities and i will be having a banner saying, turn buckingham palace into social

housing. but more realistically... in your heart would you like that to happen, very quickly? i in your heart would you like that to happen. very quickly?— happen, very quickly? i think it is a bit tongue-in-cheek. _ happen, very quickly? i think it is a bit tongue-in-cheek. i- happen, very quickly? i think it is a bit tongue-in-cheek. i was - happen, very quickly? i think it is i a bit tongue-in-cheek. i was hoping for a better— a bit tongue-in-cheek. i was hoping for a better line-up _ a bit tongue-in-cheek. i was hoping for a better line-up that! _ a bit tongue-in-cheek. i was hoping for a better line-up that! i - a bit tongue-in-cheek. i was hoping for a better line-up that! i thought l for a better line—up that! i thought we could have fun with that one! thank you are rziz, i really appreciate everybody�*s contribution this morning, it's been entertaining. i think it has been the essence of the bbc. prime minister's questions coming up at 12 and it is your chance to ask whatever you want. we have a great selection and a great crew. coronation, protest,

strikes, tuition fees, trust in the civil service. strikes, tuition fees, trust in the civilservice. if strikes, tuition fees, trust in the civil service. if you text, include your name and where you are. that is coming up. the uk's security minister says 'britain is prepared for the huge security challenge of king charles' coronation' at the weekend. tom tugendhat has also praised the police for responding quickly last night — after a man threw what appeared to be shotgun cartridges into the grounds of buckingham palace. the suspect is in police custody. the final raf evacuation flight of british nationals is set to leave port sudan.

those wanting to get out of the country we're told to make their way to a hotel there — but that deadline passed an hour ago. a man is due in court this morning accused of murder — after a fatal stabbing outside a nightclub in cornwall at the weekend. jake hill, who's 2a and from bodmin, is also accused of attempted murder. 32—year—old michael allen died after the attack on sunday night. and, age uk has called on banks to speed up the opening of new high street hubs. it says the centres, where rival firms share a site and provide face—to—face services, will help those who are uncomfortable managing their money online. so here we are and it is over to you, as ever. we have got this

morning, proper introductions... we have labour mp, nick thomas—symonds, welcome back. have labour mp, nick thomas-symonds, welcome back-— welcome back. good to be 'oining you aaain. you welcome back. good to be 'oining you again. you — welcome back. good to be 'oining you again. you are on telly _ welcome back. good to be joining you again. you are on telly this _ welcome back. good to be joining you again. you are on telly this time - again. you are on telly this time around, again. you are on telly this time around. we _ again. you are on telly this time around, we are _ again. you are on telly this time around, we are on _ again. you are on telly this time around, we are on five - again. you are on telly this time around, we are on five live, - again. you are on telly this time around, we are on five live, bbc sounds, bbc two and iplayer. i hope you are dressed up accordingly. you will be, as a member of the privy counsellors, you sign the accession document for king charles, so you have already sworn allegiance, what was that like? it have already sworn allegiance, what was that like?— was that like? it was a profound moment- _ was that like? it was a profound moment- i _ was that like? it was a profound moment. i was _ was that like? it was a profound moment. i was deeply - was that like? it was a profound moment. i was deeply proud - was that like? it was a profound moment. i was deeply proud to | was that like? it was a profound - moment. i was deeply proud to attend the accession council. they obviously hadn't been one for 70 years. and i am someone who is passionate about history, love our history. i was thinking back to when i was a teenager studying history at school. it was a personal moment for

me to actually sign that accession document. ifeel really me to actually sign that accession document. i feel really privileged to have done so. {iii document. i feel really privileged to have done so.— document. i feel really privileged to have done so. of course, there arguments _ to have done so. of course, there arguments from _ to have done so. of course, there arguments from republicans - to have done so. of course, there arguments from republicans in i to have done so. of course, there - arguments from republicans in wales, you should have your own prince of wales are not one imposed on you, where are you on that argument? i i know. i where are you on that argument? i i know. ., �* ., ., know. i don't agree with that argument- — know. i don't agree with that argument- i _ know. i don't agree with that argument. i saw— know. i don't agree with that argument. i saw the - know. i don't agree with that argument. i saw the prince l know. i don't agree with that i argument. i saw the prince and princess of wales visiting aberfan in recent days. they had a wonderful welcome from local people. i thought that it was great, they not only chose to attend, but they spent quite a time, i understand, with the public and it will be great to see them doing a lot more of that now at other events across wales in the months ahead and i am sure it will be welcomed by the vast majority of welsh people. be welcomed by the vast ma'ority of welsh people.— be welcomed by the vast ma'ority of welsh --eole. ~ . ., ,, ., welsh people. michael sheen was one of those people _ welsh people. michael sheen was one of those people he _ welsh people. michael sheen was one of those people he was _ welsh people. michael sheen was one of those people he was very _ welsh people. michael sheen was one of those people he was very vocal - welsh people. michael sheen was one of those people he was very vocal on i of those people he was very vocal on that. richard graham, hello. michael

sheen's betrayal of your former leader, tony blair, was excellent and may be in times to come he will be playing keir starmer, who knows? richard graham, welcome back, mp for gloucester. you speak eight languages? fin gloucester. you speak eight languages?— gloucester. you speak eight - languages?_ rowley languages? on a good day. rowley stuart, languages? on a good day. rowley stuart. your— languages? on a good day. rowley stuart, your erstwhile _ languages? on a good day. rowley stuart, your erstwhile colleague, i stuart, your erstwhile colleague, speaks ii. stuart, your erstwhile colleague, seaks11. ~ ., stuart, your erstwhile colleague, seaks11. . . ., , ., stuart, your erstwhile colleague, seaks11. . . ., , speaks 11. what languages do you s-eak? speaks 11. what languages do you speak? most _ speaks 11. what languages do you speak? most of _ speaks 11. what languages do you speak? most of mine _ speaks 11. what languages do you speak? most of mine are - speaks 11. what languages do you speak? most of mine are in - speaks 11. what languages do you speak? most of mine are in the l speaks 11. what languages do you | speak? most of mine are in the far east, _ speak? most of mine are in the far east. rory's— speak? most of mine are in the far east, rory's are in the middle east, afghanistan, those languages. but swahili _ afghanistan, those languages. but swahili and french. | afghanistan, those languages. but swahili and french.— swahili and french. i want to know more, swahili and french. i want to know more. that — swahili and french. i want to know more. that is _ swahili and french. i want to know more, that is amazing, _ swahili and french. i want to know more, that is amazing, swahili - swahili and french. i want to know| more, that is amazing, swahili and french, give me the other six? mandarin, cantonese, indonesia, malaysia — mandarin, cantonese, indonesia, malaysia and the language of the philippines, the main far eastern ones _ philippines, the main far eastern ones. . , philippines, the main far eastern ones, ., , ., ., philippines, the main far eastern ones. ., , ., ., ., , .,

ones. that is amazing, to be able to understand — ones. that is amazing, to be able to understand nuance _ ones. that is amazing, to be able to understand nuance cantonese - ones. that is amazing, to be able to understand nuance cantonese and i understand nuance cantonese and mandarin as chinese people speak, that is... that is to be admired and cherished, what a wonderful thing to be able to do. i cherished, what a wonderful thing to be able to do— be able to do. i think that is very olite of be able to do. i think that is very polite of you- — be able to do. i think that is very polite of you- i — be able to do. i think that is very polite of you. i think _ be able to do. i think that is very polite of you. i think my - be able to do. i think that is very polite of you. i think my childrenj polite of you. i think my children were _ polite of you. i think my children were probably say that, your english needs— were probably say that, your english needs scrubbing up.— needs scrubbing up. sounds good to me. to needs scrubbing up. sounds good to me- to speak _ needs scrubbing up. sounds good to me. to speak mandarin _ needs scrubbing up. sounds good to me. to speak mandarin and - needs scrubbing up. sounds good to i me. to speak mandarin and cantonese in the state of interesting international events as well. you are the pansexual mp, first mp of palestinian descent, how many languages do you speak? mr; palestinian descent, how many languages do you speak? my mum is palestinian. — languages do you speak? my mum is palestinian. my _ languages do you speak? my mum is palestinian, my first _ languages do you speak? my mum is palestinian, my first words _ languages do you speak? my mum is palestinian, my first words were - palestinian, my first words were arabic. — palestinian, my first words were arabic, although _ palestinian, my first words were arabic, although i _ palestinian, my first words were arabic, although i am _ palestinian, my first words were i arabic, although i am desperately poor~ _ arabic, although i am desperately poor~ i_ arabic, although i am desperately poor. i understand _ arabic, although i am desperately poor. i understand more - arabic, although i am desperately poor. i understand more than- arabic, although i am desperately poor. i understand more than i. arabic, although i am desperatelyl poor. i understand more than i can speak _ poor. i understand more than i can speak my— poor. i understand more than i can speak. my grandmother— poor. i understand more than i can speak. my grandmother is - poor. i understand more than i can speak. my grandmother is great, i| speak. my grandmother is great, i grew— speak. my grandmother is great, i grew up— speak. my grandmother is great, i grew up in— speak. my grandmother is great, i grew up in belgium, _ speak. my grandmother is great, i grew up in belgium, so _ speak. my grandmother is great, i grew up in belgium, so i - speak. my grandmother is great, i grew up in belgium, so i speak- grew up in belgium, so i speak french, — grew up in belgium, so i speak french, i— grew up in belgium, so i speak french, iam— grew up in belgium, so i speak french, i am currently- grew up in belgium, so i speak french, i am currently learning russian — french, i am currently learning russian i_ french, i am currently learning russian. i have _ french, i am currently learning russian. i have a _ french, i am currently learning russian. i have a refugee - french, i am currently learning russian. i have a refugee fromj russian. i have a refugee from ukraine —

russian. i have a refugee from ukraine living _ russian. i have a refugee from ukraine living with _ russian. i have a refugee from ukraine living with me - russian. i have a refugee from ukraine living with me who - russian. i have a refugee from ukraine living with me who is. russian. i have a refugee from - ukraine living with me who is from crimea _ ukraine living with me who is from crimea as— ukraine living with me who is from crimea as part _ ukraine living with me who is from crimea. as part as _ ukraine living with me who is from crimea. as part as welcoming - ukraine living with me who is from crimea. as part as welcoming herl ukraine living with me who is from i crimea. as part as welcoming her to the country. — crimea. as part as welcoming her to the country. i— crimea. as part as welcoming her to the country. igot _ crimea. as part as welcoming her to the country, i got inspired _ crimea. as part as welcoming her to the country, i got inspired to - crimea. as part as welcoming her to the country, i got inspired to learn i the country, i got inspired to learn her language. _ the country, i got inspired to learn her language, which— the country, i got inspired to learn her language, which is— the country, i got inspired to learn her language, which is russian. i her language, which is russian. maybe — her language, which is russian. maybe for— her language, which is russian. maybe for diplomacy— her language, which is russian. maybe for diplomacy sake, - her language, which is russian. maybe for diplomacy sake, one | her language, which is russian. - maybe for diplomacy sake, one day that could — maybe for diplomacy sake, one day that could come _ maybe for diplomacy sake, one day that could come in _ maybe for diplomacy sake, one day that could come in handy. - maybe for diplomacy sake, one day that could come in handy. [- maybe for diplomacy sake, one day that could come in handy. i said - maybe for diplomacy sake, one day that could come in handy. i said how many languages _ that could come in handy. i said how many languages do _ that could come in handy. i said how many languages do you _ that could come in handy. i said how many languages do you talk, so - many languages do you talk, so clearly i don't speak english. laughter. leerin laughter. leer in manchester, how are you? i am good, thanks. fire _ leer in manchester, how are you? i am good, thanks. fire away, - leer in manchester, how are you? i | am good, thanks. fire away, anyone else wants — am good, thanks. fire away, anyone else wants to _ am good, thanks. fire away, anyone else wants to ask, _ am good, thanks. fire away, anyone else wants to ask, fire _ am good, thanks. fire away, anyone else wants to ask, fire away. - am good, thanks. fire away, anyone else wants to ask, fire away. your i else wants to ask, fire away. your question. else wants to ask, fire away. your cuestion. , , else wants to ask, fire away. your ruestion., , ., ., ,, else wants to ask, fire away. your cuestion. , ., .,~ , else wants to ask, fire away. your cuestion. , ., , , ., question. just to make my personal stance clear — question. just to make my personal stance clear regarding _ question. just to make my personal stance clear regarding the - stance clear regarding the coronation, _ stance clear regarding the coronation, i— stance clear regarding the coronation, ithink- stance clear regarding the coronation, i think it - stance clear regarding the coronation, i think it is i stance clear regarding the - coronation, i think it is totally inappmpriate _ coronation, i think it is totally inappropriate to— coronation, i think it is totally inappropriate to have - coronation, i think it is totally inappropriate to have a - coronation, i think it is totally - inappropriate to have a coronation that is— inappropriate to have a coronation that is costing _ inappropriate to have a coronation that is costing the _ inappropriate to have a coronation that is costing the taxpayer- inappropriate to have a coronation that is costing the taxpayer so - inappropriate to have a coronation i that is costing the taxpayer so much money _ that is costing the taxpayer so much money it— that is costing the taxpayer so much money it is— that is costing the taxpayer so much money. it is interesting _ that is costing the taxpayer so much money. it is interesting the - money. it is interesting the government— money. it is interesting the government have _ money. it is interesting the government have refused i money. it is interesting the| government have refused to money. it is interesting the - government have refused to confirm the cost, _ government have refused to confirm the cost, i_ government have refused to confirm the cost, ithink— government have refused to confirm the cost, i think the _ government have refused to confirm the cost, i think the estimates - government have refused to confirm the cost, i think the estimates are i the cost, i think the estimates are 100 million — the cost, i think the estimates are 100 million. meanwhile _ the cost, i think the estimates are 100 million. meanwhile we - the cost, i think the estimates are 100 million. meanwhile we are - 100 million. meanwhile we are telling — 100 million. meanwhile we are telling nhs _ 100 million. meanwhile we are telling nhs workers, _ 100 million. meanwhile we are telling nhs workers, nurses, i telling nhs workers, nurses, teachers _ telling nhs workers, nurses, teachers and _ telling nhs workers, nurses, teachers and other— telling nhs workers, nurses, teachers and other staff - telling nhs workers, nurses, teachers and other staff in i telling nhs workers, nurses, i teachers and other staff in the public — teachers and other staff in the public sector— teachers and other staff in the public sector we _ teachers and other staff in the public sector we cannot - teachers and other staff in the public sector we cannot pay i

teachers and other staff in the i public sector we cannot pay them what _ public sector we cannot pay them what they— public sector we cannot pay them what they are _ public sector we cannot pay them what they are worth _ public sector we cannot pay them what they are worth but - public sector we cannot pay them what they are worth but we - public sector we cannot pay them what they are worth but we are i public sector we cannot pay them - what they are worth but we are going to pay— what they are worth but we are going to pay for— what they are worth but we are going to pay for the — what they are worth but we are going to pay for the coronation _ what they are worth but we are going to pay for the coronation from - what they are worth but we are going to pay for the coronation from the i to pay for the coronation from the public— to pay for the coronation from the public purse. _ to pay for the coronation from the public purse, despite _ to pay for the coronation from the public purse, despite the - to pay for the coronation from the public purse, despite the king - to pay for the coronation from thej public purse, despite the king and prince _ public purse, despite the king and prince william _ public purse, despite the king and prince william having _ public purse, despite the king and prince william having private - prince william having private estates — prince william having private estates that _ prince william having private estates that have _ prince william having private estates that have yielded - prince william having private i estates that have yielded more prince william having private - estates that have yielded more than 1000 million— estates that have yielded more than 1000 million pounds. _ estates that have yielded more than 1000 million pounds. i— estates that have yielded more than 1000 million pounds. i would - estates that have yielded more than 1000 million pounds. i would ask. estates that have yielded more thanl 1000 million pounds. i would ask any royalist _ 1000 million pounds. i would ask any royalist would — 1000 million pounds. i would ask any royalist would they— 1000 million pounds. i would ask any royalist would they rather— 1000 million pounds. i would ask any royalist would they rather have - 1000 million pounds. i would ask any royalist would they rather have an - royalist would they rather have an expensive — royalist would they rather have an expensive coronation _ royalist would they rather have an expensive coronation or— royalist would they rather have an expensive coronation or a - expensive coronation or a significant _ expensive coronation or a significant pay— expensive coronation or a significant pay rise - expensive coronation or a significant pay rise for. expensive coronation oral significant pay rise for nhs expensive coronation or a - significant pay rise for nhs nurses, what would — significant pay rise for nhs nurses, what would be _ significant pay rise for nhs nurses, what would be more _ significant pay rise for nhs nurses, what would be more useful, - significant pay rise for nhs nurses, what would be more useful, whati what would be more useful, what would _ what would be more useful, what would be — what would be more useful, what would be more _ what would be more useful, what would be more rational? - what would be more useful, what would be more rational? charlesl would be more rational? charles doesn't — would be more rational? charles doesn't need _ would be more rational? charles doesn't need a _ would be more rational? charles doesn't need a coronation, - would be more rational? charles doesn't need a coronation, but i would be more rational? charlesj doesn't need a coronation, but if would be more rational? charles i doesn't need a coronation, but if he needed _ doesn't need a coronation, but if he needed one. — doesn't need a coronation, but if he needed one. he _ doesn't need a coronation, but if he needed one, he could _ doesn't need a coronation, but if he needed one, he could pay— doesn't need a coronation, but if he needed one, he could pay for- doesn't need a coronation, but if he needed one, he could pay for it- needed one, he could pay for it himself — needed one, he could pay for it himself. most— needed one, he could pay for it himself. most european- needed one, he could pay for it| himself. most european nations needed one, he could pay for it- himself. most european nations don't have expensive — himself. most european nations don't have expensive publicly— himself. most european nations don't have expensive publicly paid - himself. most european nations don't have expensive publicly paid for- have expensive publicly paid for coronations~ _ have expensive publicly paid for coronations. the _ have expensive publicly paid for coronations. the truth - have expensive publicly paid for coronations. the truth is, - have expensive publicly paid for coronations. the truth is, the i have expensive publicly paid for. coronations. the truth is, the vast majority— coronations. the truth is, the vast majority of— coronations. the truth is, the vast majority of those _ coronations. the truth is, the vast majority of those in _ coronations. the truth is, the vast majority of those in the _ coronations. the truth is, the vast majority of those in the uk - coronations. the truth is, the vast majority of those in the uk do - coronations. the truth is, the vast majority of those in the uk do not| majority of those in the uk do not have _ majority of those in the uk do not have an _ majority of those in the uk do not have an extreme _ majority of those in the uk do not have an extreme view— majority of those in the uk do not have an extreme view either- majority of those in the uk do not have an extreme view either way. j majority of those in the uk do not - have an extreme view either way. the saltor _ have an extreme view either way. the saltor people — have an extreme view either way. the saltor people he — have an extreme view either way. the saltor people he would _ have an extreme view either way. the saltor people he would contact - have an extreme view either way. the saltor people he would contact the . saltor people he would contact the show _ saltor people he would contact the show in _ saltor people he would contact the show in the — saltor people he would contact the show in the previous _ saltor people he would contact the show in the previous phone - saltor people he would contact the show in the previous phone in - saltor people he would contact the show in the previous phone in to i show in the previous phone in to answer— show in the previous phone in to answer the — show in the previous phone in to answer the question— show in the previous phone in to answer the question about - show in the previous phone in to i answer the question about peaceful protest. _ answer the question about peaceful protest. they— answer the question about peaceful protest. they will— answer the question about peaceful protest, they will be _ answer the question about peaceful protest, they will be those - answer the question about peaceful protest, they will be those with - protest, they will be those with strong — protest, they will be those with strong views, _ protest, they will be those with strong views, media _ protest, they will be those with strong views, media shows- protest, they will be those with strong views, media shows likej protest, they will be those with - strong views, media shows like this one inevitably— strong views, media shows like this one inevitably present _ strong views, media shows like this one inevitably present two - strong views, media shows like this| one inevitably present two polarised

views, _ one inevitably present two polarised views, but _ one inevitably present two polarised views, but most— one inevitably present two polarised views, but most people _ one inevitably present two polarised views, but most people are - views, but most people are indifferent. _ views, but most people are indifferent.— views, but most people are i indifferent._ under views, but most people are - indifferent._ under how indifferent. interesting. under how many people _ indifferent. interesting. under how many people in _ indifferent. interesting. under how many people in the _ indifferent. interesting. under how many people in the uk _ indifferent. interesting. under how many people in the uk are - many people in the uk are indifferent— many people in the uk are indifferent about - many people in the uk are indifferent about the - many people in the uk are indifferent about the nhsi many people in the uk are i indifferent about the nhs and whether— indifferent about the nhs and whether they _ indifferent about the nhs and whether they can— indifferent about the nhs and whether they can function. i i indifferent about the nhs and i whether they can function. i will ask the — whether they can function. i will ask the politicians _ whether they can function. i will ask the politicians are _ whether they can function. i will ask the politicians are simple i ask the politicians are simple question. _ ask the politicians are simple question. how— ask the politicians are simple question, how can _ ask the politicians are simple question, how can you - ask the politicians are simple question, how can you justify spending _ question, how can you justify spending on _ question, how can you justify spending on the _ question, how can you justify spending on the coronation i question, how can you justify i spending on the coronation and removing — spending on the coronation and removing the _ spending on the coronation and removing the cap— spending on the coronation and removing the cap on— spending on the coronation and removing the cap on bankers' i spending on the coronation and - removing the cap on bankers' bonuses during _ removing the cap on bankers' bonuses during an _ removing the cap on bankers' bonuses during an unprecedented _ removing the cap on bankers' bonuses during an unprecedented cost - removing the cap on bankers' bonuses during an unprecedented cost of- during an unprecedented cost of living _ during an unprecedented cost of living crisis— during an unprecedented cost of living crisis when _ during an unprecedented cost of living crisis when we _ during an unprecedented cost of living crisis when we are - during an unprecedented cost of living crisis when we are telling i living crisis when we are telling doctors. — living crisis when we are telling doctors, nurses _ living crisis when we are telling doctors, nurses and _ living crisis when we are telling doctors, nurses and teachers i living crisis when we are telling i doctors, nurses and teachers that living crisis when we are telling - doctors, nurses and teachers that we cannot _ doctors, nurses and teachers that we cannot afford — doctors, nurses and teachers that we cannot afford to _ doctors, nurses and teachers that we cannot afford to pay _ doctors, nurses and teachers that we cannot afford to pay them _ doctors, nurses and teachers that we cannot afford to pay them what - doctors, nurses and teachers that we cannot afford to pay them what they| cannot afford to pay them what they are worth? — cannot afford to pay them what they are worth? i— cannot afford to pay them what they are worth? i will— cannot afford to pay them what they are worth? i will be _ cannot afford to pay them what they are worth? i will be interested - cannot afford to pay them what they are worth? i will be interested to i are worth? i will be interested to hear— are worth? i will be interested to hear the — are worth? i will be interested to hear the justification— are worth? i will be interested to hear the justification for- are worth? i will be interested to hear the justification for that. - are worth? i will be interested to hear the justification for that. [i hear the justification for that. i will hear the justification for that. will go to richard graham in a second for any justifications, will go to richard graham in a second for anyjustifications, but because he is of the governing party, but allow me to bring patricia in neath in as well. it was a very busy first half phoning. patricia, have your say and we will put it to our politicians and really interesting and pertinent points from leah. what do you say, patricia, welcome.—

from leah. what do you say, patricia, welcome. hello. good morning- _ patricia, welcome. hello. good morning- i— patricia, welcome. hello. good morning. ithink— patricia, welcome. hello. good morning. i think the _ patricia, welcome. hello. good morning. i think the coronation patricia, welcome. hello. good i morning. i think the coronation is patricia, welcome. hello. good - morning. i think the coronation is a wonderful— morning. i think the coronation is a wonderful uplift for the country. i know _ wonderful uplift for the country. i know it _ wonderful uplift for the country. i know it has — wonderful uplift for the country. i know it has cost a lot of money... but if _ know it has cost a lot of money... but if these — know it has cost a lot of money... but if these people want to protest and do _ but if these people want to protest and do what they want, protest to the right— and do what they want, protest to the right people, to the government. it is the right people, to the government. it is a _ the right people, to the government. it is a wonderful, wonderful thing to see _ it is a wonderful, wonderful thing to see and — it is a wonderful, wonderful thing to see and to give everybody an uplift _ to see and to give everybody an uplift and — to see and to give everybody an uplift and something instead of wars and different things like that. i think— and different things like that. i think it — and different things like that. i think it is — and different things like that. i think it is a wonderful thing for young — think it is a wonderful thing for young people to realise that this country— young people to realise that this country has got a lot of history.

good _ country has got a lot of history. good and — country has got a lot of history. good and bad. i think the politicians need to sit down and listen _ politicians need to sit down and listen to— politicians need to sit down and listen to everybody. not themselves and vote _ listen to everybody. not themselves and vote in — listen to everybody. not themselves and vote in parliament for themselves, get other people to vote for them _ themselves, get other people to vote for them i_ themselves, get other people to vote for them. i also think that they don't _ for them. i also think that they don't live — for them. i also think that they don't live in the real world. we hear this don't live in the real world. - hear this every week, patricia, it is fascinating there is this feeling out there. i won't come to you first, richard, iwant out there. i won't come to you first, richard, i want to try and establish people who might be slightly to the left of you. who knows, these days? leila moran, answer the point from leah, is this answer the point from leah, is this a waste of money, leila moran, this coronation? i a waste of money, leila moran, this coronation?— coronation? i don't think it is a waste of money, _ coronation? i don't think it is a waste of money, i _ coronation? i don't think it is a waste of money, i agreed - coronation? i don't think it is a waste of money, i agreed to i coronation? i don't think it is a waste of money, i agreed to a | coronation? i don't think it is a - waste of money, i agreed to a point with patricia, does bring people together and people will have great fun. i sat down with my grandma, who

is 96, and she said it is her third coronation and we were chatting about what that was like as a young child, remembering george, elizabeth and a beggared belief, it made me realisejust and a beggared belief, it made me realise just how old 96 really is. my realise just how old 96 really is. my own stance is, i am strongly ambivalent about the monarchy as an institution. �* , , ., ., , ., institution. let's explore that, you don't hear that _ institution. let's explore that, you don't hear that very _ institution. let's explore that, you don't hear that very often - institution. let's explore that, you don't hear that very often from i don't hear that very often from politicians. i did ask this question of bridget philipsen, i think it was last week all the week before, asking if any of her front bench colleagues were republicans and she said, we don't talk about stuff like that. i want to explore that with you a bit more, i think the word you said was indifferent?— you a bit more, i think the word you said was indifferent? ambivalent. to be honest, there _ said was indifferent? ambivalent. to be honest, there are _ said was indifferent? ambivalent. to be honest, there are other _ said was indifferent? ambivalent. to be honest, there are other things i be honest, there are other things that are more important and leah's point around the cost of living is

definitely what we spend our time talking about. as a parliamentary party, we never talk about the monarchy as a topic of conversation, but what we talk about all the time is what we are hearing from our friends and family and the people we are speaking to on doorsteps all the time, is how to make ends meet. we will aet time, is how to make ends meet. we will get to that and there will be some fantastic phone—ins. it is some fantastic phone-ins. it is about what _ some fantastic phone-ins. it is about what leah _ some fantastic phone-ins. it is about what leah said - some fantastic phone—ins. it 3 about what leah said about the cost. traditions in this country, there was a great tradition of republicanism in the labour party, front bench labour party politician until relatively recently. what would a decent alternative to the monarchy be in your mind? that would a decent alternative to the monarchy be in your mind? that is a national conversation _ monarchy be in your mind? that is a national conversation that _ monarchy be in your mind? that is a national conversation that needs - monarchy be in your mind? that is a national conversation that needs to l national conversation that needs to start with the house of lords because we have hereditary peers that are still there and they absolutely shouldn't be. in terms of order of priority for our democracy, thatis order of priority for our democracy, that is where i would start. i would

personally prefer something elected. but i also think they do an excellentjob, there is pump associated with presidents also and you can have a president that are more ceremonial, as in ireland, as opposed to one that is political as in france, i wouldn't vote for that. strongly ambivalent? that is a good one. richard, speak directly to leah, are you still with us, leah? yes, i'm here. leah, are you still with us, leah? yes. i'm here-— yes, i'm here. worried about the cost, yes, i'm here. worried about the cost. worried _ yes, i'm here. worried about the cost, worried about _ yes, i'm here. worried about the cost, worried about the - yes, i'm here. worried about the cost, worried about the cost - yes, i'm here. worried about the cost, worried about the cost of i cost, worried about the cost of living crisis, richard speak to leah. ., ., ~' living crisis, richard speak to leah. ., ., ,, living crisis, richard speak to leah. ., , living crisis, richard speak to leah. ., .,~ , ., leah. you make good points about the cost of living — leah. you make good points about the cost of living and _ leah. you make good points about the cost of living and things _ leah. you make good points about the cost of living and things that _ leah. you make good points about the cost of living and things that are - cost of living and things that are very much— cost of living and things that are very much on many people's mind. i don't _ very much on many people's mind. i don't think— very much on many people's mind. i don't think it — very much on many people's mind. i don't think it is either all. we can have _ don't think it is either all. we can have the — don't think it is either all. we can have the tradition of our monarchy that will— have the tradition of our monarchy that will be — have the tradition of our monarchy that will be celebrated on saturday in a way _ that will be celebrated on saturday in a way that has happened in this country— in a way that has happened in this country for— in a way that has happened in this country for well over 1000 years now _ country for well over 1000 years now and — country for well over 1000 years now. and we can sort out the cost of

living, _ now. and we can sort out the cost of living, make — now. and we can sort out the cost of living, make sure we do reach agreements, as we have done with the nhs staff— agreements, as we have done with the nhs staff counsel on all those who are currently worried that in the public— are currently worried that in the public sector they are not getting enough _ public sector they are not getting enough money. i think it is a case of balance — enough money. i think it is a case of balance i_ enough money. i think it is a case of balance. i think this weekend will be — of balance. i think this weekend will be a — of balance. i think this weekend will be a really great day of celebration for the nation as a whole — celebration for the nation as a whole and it is being celebrated overseas — whole and it is being celebrated overseas as well. i have just come back— overseas as well. i have just come back from — overseas as well. i have just come back from the philippines where there _ back from the philippines where there is— back from the philippines where there is quite a lot of excitement and we _ there is quite a lot of excitement and we have got 35,000 nhs workers from the _ and we have got 35,000 nhs workers from the philippines.— from the philippines. excitement in the philippines. _ from the philippines. excitement in the philippines, tell _ from the philippines. excitement in the philippines, tell me _ from the philippines. excitement in the philippines, tell me more - from the philippines. excitement in| the philippines, tell me more about that? , ., , ., ., ., that? there will be a big coronation celebration but _ that? there will be a big coronation celebration but the _ that? there will be a big coronation celebration but the links _ that? there will be a big coronation celebration but the links between i celebration but the links between our country, the monarchy and overseas — our country, the monarchy and overseas are very strong, not just the overseas countries for whom the kin- the overseas countries for whom the king is— the overseas countries for whom the king is also— the overseas countries for whom the king is also head, that the commonwealth and those who cherish the fact, _ commonwealth and those who cherish the fact, as _ commonwealth and those who cherish the fact, as emmanuel macron once said about _ the fact, as emmanuel macron once said about the queen, for us she was our clean, _ said about the queen, for us she was our clean, but for the world she was the queen — our clean, but for the world she was the queen i— our clean, but for the world she was the queen. i hope that is how the world _ the queen. i hope that is how the world the — the queen. i hope that is how the world. the arcing, the king in due

course _ world. the arcing, the king in due course. �* ., ., ., world. the arcing, the king in due course. ., ., ., , course. but the amount of countries for which she _ course. but the amount of countries for which she was _ course. but the amount of countries for which she was clean _ course. but the amount of countries for which she was clean and - course. but the amount of countries for which she was clean and he - course. but the amount of countries for which she was clean and he is i for which she was clean and he is king are drifting, is that a matter of sadness?— king are drifting, is that a matter of sadness? , .,, ., ., of sadness? each country has got to take its own — of sadness? each country has got to take its own path. _ of sadness? each country has got to take its own path. what _ of sadness? each country has got to take its own path. what we - of sadness? each country has got to take its own path. what we have i take its own path. what we have found _ take its own path. what we have found here, many other countries, the path _ found here, many other countries, the path of— found here, many other countries, the path of having a constitutional monarchy — the path of having a constitutional monarchy has proved a very successful one. i suspect there are many— successful one. i suspect there are many countries around the world who wish had _ many countries around the world who wish had similar solidarity of the head _ wish had similar solidarity of the head of— wish had similar solidarity of the head of state. we should celebrate that as _ head of state. we should celebrate that as well. head of state. we should celebrate that as well-— head of state. we should celebrate i that as well-_ my that as well. leah, come back in. my ersonal that as well. leah, come back in. my personal perspective, _ that as well. leah, come back in. my personal perspective, i— that as well. leah, come back in. my personal perspective, i disagree - personal perspective, i disagree with a lot of that. i don't feel like the uk people need a day of celebration to lift the mood or feel better about things. i think a real significant rise in wages, reducing

costs, i think if people could feel like they weren't going to lose their houses over their changing mortgage rates when they come to renew, i had that would improve the mood more than the coronation. i don't think the world is going to view charles in the way they viewed the queen. i think for me, none of what wasjust said the queen. i think for me, none of what was just said actually justified the expense. take out of it my views on the monarchy and disbanding the monarchy, that is a separate thing, but we have got leila, prominent member of parliament saying, i am ambivalent. i am saying most people are indifferent. if people are indifferent, why are we spending so much public money when nurses... i know pay agreements have been reached, but it is not what people asked for, it is not what people

wanted. the nhs is on its knees, it is crippled beyond recognition. i haven't heard a justification for why we are going to spend, let's just say for arguments sake, 100 million of public money on one day. the vast majority of people are just going to think, cool, i have got a bank holiday. going to think, cool, i have got a bank holiday-— going to think, cool, i have got a bank holida . ., ~ , ., ,, ., bank holiday. frank will perhaps add to the occasion, _ bank holiday. frank will perhaps add to the occasion, this _ bank holiday. frank will perhaps add to the occasion, this occasion, - bank holiday. frank will perhaps add to the occasion, this occasion, this i to the occasion, this occasion, this discussion. come in and i will put your point to nick from labour. goad your point to nick from labour. good mornin: your point to nick from labour. good morning and — your point to nick from labour. good morning and to _ your point to nick from labour. good morning and to all _ your point to nick from labour. good morning and to all your— your point to nick from labour. good morning and to all your contributors and listeners, especially those down south, _ and listeners, especially those down south, with — and listeners, especially those down south, with my contribution might not know— south, with my contribution might not know what i'm talking about relating — not know what i'm talking about relating to the chanting by the celtic— relating to the chanting by the celtic supporters on sunday which has got _ celtic supporters on sunday which has got a — celtic supporters on sunday which has got a bit of publicity. as a

result— has got a bit of publicity. as a result of— has got a bit of publicity. as a result of that we were criticised and praised by many, but criticised in many— and praised by many, but criticised in many expected areas of the media. what we _ in many expected areas of the media. what we have, in my opinion, and i am a— what we have, in my opinion, and i am a great— what we have, in my opinion, and i am a great believer of live and let live, _ am a great believer of live and let live, but _ am a great believer of live and let live, but what has to be recognised is out _ live, but what has to be recognised is out there — live, but what has to be recognised is out there and by people who are vehemently royalist, they have to recognise — vehemently royalist, they have to recognise that in society today, as there _ recognise that in society today, as there probably has always been, but especially— there probably has always been, but especially today, we have a marginalised group of people who have been basically detached from society, _ have been basically detached from society, living in extreme poverty with no _ society, living in extreme poverty with no hope for the future for them or their— with no hope for the future for them or their children due to the economic— or their children due to the economic situation. and this has been _ economic situation. and this has been going on for a long time but it has been _ been going on for a long time but it has been swept under the carpet. i want _ has been swept under the carpet. i want to— has been swept under the carpet. i want to defend my fellow celtic supporters here, because what we

have is _ supporters here, because what we have is an — supporters here, because what we have is an expression, that was an expression — have is an expression, that was an expression on sunday. just have is an expression, that was an expression on sunday.— expression on sunday. just to enlighten _ expression on sunday. just to enlighten people, _ expression on sunday. just to enlighten people, and - expression on sunday. just to enlighten people, and we - expression on sunday. just to enlighten people, and we do | expression on sunday. just to - enlighten people, and we do free speech as much as possible, there is a strong, obviously tradition of republicanism and republicanism in celtic football club. that is fine. you can shove your coronation up your... that was the chant? basically up your backside, basically. basically up your backside, basically-— basically up your backside, basicall . ., ,, ., basically. thank you for the youth it could have _ basically. thank you for the youth it could have been _ basically. thank you for the youth it could have been put _ basically. thank you for the youth it could have been put in - basically. thank you for the youth it could have been put in a - basically. thank you for the youth it could have been put in a more i it could have been put in a more articulate way, it could have been put in a less coarse way. it is a football chant. it put in a less coarse way. it is a football chant.— football chant. it is, but for --eole football chant. it is, but for people who _ football chant. it is, but for people who were _ football chant. it is, but for people who were taken - football chant. it is, but for. people who were taken aback football chant. it is, but for- people who were taken aback by football chant. it is, but for— people who were taken aback by that, what we have is an expression. i am in my 60s, followed celtic all my life and i love the club to the

core. we have always stood up for the marginalised as support. we are a broad spectrum support, we welcome people across the political divide, across the economic spectrum, rich and poor, we welcome anyone, all faiths, no faith, that is why we were started in the community. the point i'm making, but you had to know that for the context, we have always stood up for the marginalised, the poor... it was irish immigrants _ marginalised, the poor... it was irish immigrants who _ marginalised, the poor... it was irish immigrants who were - irish immigrants who were marginalised in 1888, that is why celtic were set up by the priest in question. but yes, that chant is interesting and relates to what we were talking about in the first hour, the right to protest. i would love to have a long conversation with you about celtic. shunt; love to have a long conversation with you about celtic.— with you about celtic. any time, nikki. with you about celtic. any time, nikki- you _ with you about celtic. any time, nikki. you have _ with you about celtic. any time, nikki. you have my _ with you about celtic. any time, nikki. you have my number, i with you about celtic. any time, | nikki. you have my number, you with you about celtic. any time, - nikki. you have my number, you can phone _ nikki. you have my number, you can phone me _ nikki. you have my number, you can phone me any— nikki. you have my number, you can phone me any day of the week.

anything — phone me any day of the week. anything to do with celtic. can i make _ anything to do with celtic. can i make a — anything to do with celtic. can i make a point, it is a bigger point. celtic— make a point, it is a bigger point. celtic supporters have championed the rights — celtic supporters have championed the rights of the poor and the marginalised... the rights of the poor and the marginalised. . ._ the rights of the poor and the marginalised... the rights of the poor and the maruinalised... ., ., ., marginalised... you have said that. with ureat marginalised... you have said that. with great respect, _ marginalised... you have said that. with great respect, you _ marginalised... you have said that. with great respect, you said - marginalised... you have said that. with great respect, you said it - marginalised... you have said that. with great respect, you said it with| with great respect, you said it with great articulation. with great respect, you said it with greatarticulation. nick, with great respect, you said it with great articulation. nick, as a labour mp, obviously you support the right of the celtic fans to sing, you can shove your coronation up your backside? i you can shove your coronation up your backside?— you can shove your coronation up your backside? i am a liverpoolfan, so far be it — your backside? i am a liverpoolfan, so far be it for _ your backside? i am a liverpoolfan, so far be it for me _ your backside? i am a liverpoolfan, so far be it for me to _ your backside? i am a liverpoolfan, so far be it for me to tell— your backside? i am a liverpoolfan, so far be it for me to tell the - so far be it for me to tell the celtic fans what to chant. there are a lot of links _ celtic fans what to chant. there are a lot of links between _ celtic fans what to chant. there are a lot of links between the - celtic fans what to chant. there are a lot of links between the fans? - a lot of links between the fans? there are indeed and my admiration for dinkyjohnson and celtic being the first british club to win the european cup in 1967. great

admiration for celtic and what their fans wish to sing and how they wish to promote their team is for them. i want to come back to first of all, the original, leah's original question. of course, there are local elections in england, i have been in plymouth and darlington knocking on doors and people want to see action on the cost of living, action to cut crime and action to cut nhs waiting lists across england, of course. but for me, the coronation is a great opportunity to showcase britain and indeed, projects are soft power around the world. i have made an argument today in the press that it should be an opportunity for the government to boost trade across the commonwealth. it is an ideal moment when the attention of the world is on britain. and we really should be using that soft power to boost our

trade. i support it as a showcase of britain to the world and the government has to take advantage of that. . ., , ., , that. richard saying people are very excited in the _ that. richard saying people are very excited in the philippines, _ that. richard saying people are very excited in the philippines, how - that. richard saying people are veryj excited in the philippines, how does that work in practical terms, soft power, pageantry, what is the link? if i can give you one example, precisely— if i can give you one example, precisely on that, president marcos is flying _ precisely on that, president marcos is flying in— precisely on that, president marcos is flying in for the coronation and he will— is flying in for the coronation and he will be — is flying in for the coronation and he will be having some meeting specifically about opportunities for britain _ specifically about opportunities for britain to— specifically about opportunities for britain to have with various issues he is _ britain to have with various issues he is trying — britain to have with various issues he is trying to tackle in the philippines at the moment. i now have _ philippines at the moment. i now have no— philippines at the moment. i now have no doubt that will be of benefit — have no doubt that will be of benefit to prince ali to what nicholson, notjust projecting soft power _ nicholson, notjust projecting soft power but — nicholson, notjust projecting soft power but delivering mutual trade benefits — power but delivering mutual trade benefits. there is definitely an upside, — benefits. there is definitely an upside, quite apart from the tourism and media _ upside, quite apart from the tourism and media publicity that will come with it _ and media publicity that will come with it my— and media publicity that will come with it. my hope leah will see, it is all— with it. my hope leah will see, it is all negative, just even on the financial— is all negative, just even on the

financial side. i is all negative, 'ust even on the financial side._ is all negative, 'ust even on the financial side. i don't understand wh he financial side. i don't understand why he can't _ financial side. i don't understand why he can't pay _ financial side. i don't understand why he can't pay for— financial side. i don't understand why he can't pay for it _ financial side. i don't understand why he can't pay for it himself? l financial side. i don't understand - why he can't pay for it himself? why we can't make it less expensive. fine, if people coming in and it shows what britain is made up, although that is quite historical and not necessarily where we are today, then fine. but i don't understand why it is coming out of the public purse when we are repeatedly being told by politicians and the government that they can't afford to make changes that would actually benefit our day—to—day lives? actually benefit our day-to-day lives? . . , actually benefit our day-to-day lives? . ., , , lives? richard, it is interesting ou lives? richard, it is interesting you mentioned _ lives? richard, it is interesting you mentioned president - lives? richard, it is interesting i you mentioned president marcos, lives? richard, it is interesting - you mentioned president marcos, that is a hereditary presidency? hat you mentioned president marcos, that is a hereditary presidency?— is a hereditary presidency? not 'ust in the — is a hereditary presidency? not 'ust in the sense offi is a hereditary presidency? not 'ust in the sense of taking i is a hereditary presidency? not 'ust in the sense of taking over�* is a hereditary presidency? notjust in the sense of taking over from - is a hereditary presidency? notjust in the sense of taking over from his father, _ in the sense of taking over from his father, ferdinand and the famous imelda _ father, ferdinand and the famous imelda marcos and her shoes. the

world _ imelda marcos and her shoes. the world appreciates many things about britain, _ world appreciates many things about britain, sometimes more enthusiastically than we see them from here, — enthusiastically than we see them from here, we are focused on some of the issues _ from here, we are focused on some of the issues leah mentioned. we should gently— the issues leah mentioned. we should gently recognise and take advantage of the _ gently recognise and take advantage of the opportunities that come from that. of the opportunities that come from that i_ of the opportunities that come from that. i think it is right that the taxpayer— that. i think it is right that the taxpayer ultimately does foot the bill for— taxpayer ultimately does foot the bill for what our head of state does on behalf— bill for what our head of state does on behalf of the country. and by comparison with several heads of state _ comparison with several heads of state who — comparison with several heads of state who may be in fact elected around _ state who may be in fact elected around the world, i think we get very— around the world, i think we get very good — around the world, i think we get very good value for money from our own monarchy. and the monarchy being up-to-date. _ own monarchy. and the monarchy being up—to—date, think charles iii as shown— up—to—date, think charles iii as shown over— up—to—date, think charles iii as shown over a period of time, he has been _ shown over a period of time, he has been way— shown over a period of time, he has been way ahead of the curve in recognising some of the major issues in the _ recognising some of the major issues in the environment and climate changem — in the environment and climate changem |t— in the environment and climate chance. .. , in the environment and climate chance... ,., in the environment and climate change- - -_ in the environment and climate chance... , ., , change... it is a big thing to stop him going _ change... it is a big thing to stop him going to _ change... it is a big thing to stop him going to the _ change... it is a big thing to stop him going to the climate - change... it is a big thing to stop him going to the climate change | him going to the climate change conference and telling the world what he thinks about the fact that

we are heading for doom and destruction. jenny in essex? goad destruction. jenny in essex? good mornin: , destruction. jenny in essex? good morning, nikki. _ destruction. jenny in essex? good morning, nikki. are _ destruction. jenny in essex? good morning, nikki. are we _ destruction. jenny in essex? good morning, nikki. are we back - destruction. jenny in essex? good morning, nikki. are we back to i destruction. jenny in essex? good| morning, nikki. are we back to the real world? — morning, nikki. are we back to the real world? we _ morning, nikki. are we back to the real world? we can _ morning, nikki. are we back to the realworld? we can all— morning, nikki. are we back to the real world? we can all agree - morning, nikki. are we back to the real world? we can all agree this i real world? we can all agree this generation _ real world? we can all agree this generation of— real world? we can all agree this generation of children _ real world? we can all agree this generation of children have - real world? we can all agree this generation of children have beenj generation of children have been greatly affected by covid and they have had two years of disruption in education, sol have had two years of disruption in education, so i would like to know what the government are going to do about the striking teachers. we need about the striking teachers. we need a retrospective change, the government's priority should be to make sure the children receive the education they deserve and they don't have to face further disruption, especially with public exams approaching. my main concern is, if we don't reach an agreement we could see further teacher strikes happening. d0 we could see further teacher strikes ha eninu. ,, we could see further teacher strikes haueninu. , ,,, happening. do you support the teachers? _ happening. do you support the teachers? i — happening. do you support the teachers? i do, _ happening. do you support the teachers? i do, they _ happening. do you support the teachers? i do, they do - happening. do you support the teachers? i do, they do an - happening. do you support the i teachers? i do, they do an awful happening. do you support the - teachers? i do, they do an awful lot for our children _ teachers? i do, they do an awful lot for our children and _ teachers? i do, they do an awful lot for our children and they _ teachers? i do, they do an awful lot for our children and they deserve i for our children and they deserve the pay and the government should

pay up- the pay and the government should pay up. i am not going to go deep into it now, but with the public spending being spent on the monarchy, it is all well and good we take the moral high ground when it comes to condemning premeditated wars such as ukraine, how do we keep this in britain.— wars such as ukraine, how do we keep this in britain._ to - wars such as ukraine, how do we keep this in britain._ to the - this in britain. leila moran. to the generation — this in britain. leila moran. to the generation of— this in britain. leila moran. to the generation of children _ this in britain. leila moran. to the generation of children who - this in britain. leila moran. to the generation of children who have i this in britain. leila moran. to the i generation of children who have been so badly— generation of children who have been so badly affected, i couldn't agree more _ so badly affected, i couldn't agree more i_ so badly affected, i couldn't agree more. i know one child who is off, and they— more. i know one child who is off, and they are — more. i know one child who is off, and they are bored of not learning and they are bored of not learning and sacks — and they are bored of not learning and sacks coming up and they want to be in school~ — and sacks coming up and they want to be in school. that, i agree with. the teachers i speak to don't want to have _ the teachers i speak to don't want to have to — the teachers i speak to don't want to have to strike, but the point they— to have to strike, but the point they make _ to have to strike, but the point they make to me, and this is important _ they make to me, and this is important to put it in its context, they— important to put it in its context, they are —

important to put it in its context, they are worried that they cannot now deliver on any day of the year, the education these children deserve because _ the education these children deserve because government has cut the amount— because government has cut the amount of— because government has cut the amount of real terms funding to schools. — amount of real terms funding to schools, when you take into account inflation, _ schools, when you take into account inflation, which is affecting schools _ inflation, which is affecting schools as much as anyone else. i have _ schools as much as anyone else. i have a _ schools as much as anyone else. i have a local— schools as much as anyone else. i have a local primary, it is a small, but it— have a local primary, it is a small, but itiust — have a local primary, it is a small, but itjust shows how big this problem _ but itjust shows how big this problem is, a local primary said they— problem is, a local primary said they are — problem is, a local primary said they are looking at the next year's year six _ they are looking at the next year's year six with the money they have -ot year six with the money they have got from — year six with the money they have got from government, do they have a class of— got from government, do they have a class of 41, _ got from government, do they have a class of 41, or do they cut the teaching _ class of 41, or do they cut the teaching assistants back to only what _ teaching assistants back to only what is — teaching assistants back to only what is absolutely required by law. which _ what is absolutely required by law. which means either way, the kids are missing _ which means either way, the kids are missing out — which means either way, the kids are missing out. then the government made _ missing out. then the government made this— missing out. then the government made this pay offer and the reason teachers _ made this pay offer and the reason teachers tell me they are striking, it is not— teachers tell me they are striking, it is not because it is not enough, they— it is not because it is not enough, they love — it is not because it is not enough, they love more, but it is primarily that the _ they love more, but it is primarily that the author is not funded. so their— that the author is not funded. so their school would have to cut even more _ their school would have to cut even more money out and the estimate is something _

more money out and the estimate is something like three in five schools will end _ something like three in five schools will end up— something like three in five schools will end up having to pay out more money _ will end up having to pay out more money in — will end up having to pay out more money. in the end, it is the kids being _ money. in the end, it is the kids being failed if the pay offer isn't fully funded. being failed if the pay offer isn't fully funded-— fully funded. sorry to interrupt, the teachers — fully funded. sorry to interrupt, the teachers spend _ fully funded. sorry to interrupt, the teachers spend a _ fully funded. sorry to interrupt, the teachers spend a lot - fully funded. sorry to interrupt, the teachers spend a lot out. fully funded. sorry to interrupt, the teachers spend a lot out of| the teachers spend a lot out of their own pockets as well, to be fair. �* , ,., , their own pockets as well, to be fair. �* , , as their own pockets as well, to be fair._ as parents, - their own pockets as well, to be fair._ as parents, wej their own pockets as well, to be - fair._ as parents, we get fair. absolutely. as parents, we get scrutinise if— fair. absolutely. as parents, we get scrutinise if children _ fair. absolutely. as parents, we get scrutinise if children are _ fair. absolutely. as parents, we get scrutinise if children are absent, - scrutinise if children are absent, in the winter season my children fell ill a lot with covid and its variants. but i had to go to the gp and take a sick net back to school, and take a sick net back to school, and still haven't received letters for my younger daughter to say she has been absent because of a percentage. it cannot be helped. unlike the situation, teachers are reluctant to go on strike. they know morally some teachers still feel guilty from what i've heard by speaking to one or two of these

teachers. my kids, they want to be at school and learn. i don't want my children to full behind, like any other parent. we have got some breaking news to bring you in the sport, we have got news and sport coming up, but we will pick this up, any other teachers, get in touch now. speak to our politicians. this is a really interesting, powerful phone and, more to come on that, now it is 10.31. so, that sports newsjust so, that sports news just in, so, that sports newsjust in, coming up so, that sports newsjust in, coming up with katie, but first, here is the news, with bethan holmes. thanks, nikki. the security minister says police and intelligence agenices are mounting a "very complex" security operation around the coronation.

tom tugendhat praised police last night for their response after they arrrested a man following what appeared to be shotgun cartridges being thrown into the grounds of buckingham palace. preparations are under way for the final evacuation flight of british nationals to leave port sudan. those wanting to leave were told to get to a hotel there but the deadline passed over an hour ago. it's the final day of campaigning ahead of tomorrow's local elections in many parts of england. a total of more than 8,000 seats will be up for grabs across 230 local authorities. and shares in a number of textbook publishers and online tutoring companies have collapsed after they warned ai technology was harming their businesses. they say that students are now turning to ai chatbots like chatgpt for help rather than using traditional resources. those were the headlines, now the sport, with katie smith. and katie, we have news about big

sam, who has had more clubs than rory mcilroy? very good! breaking news to start — leeds united have confirmed that boss javi gracia has been sacked after 12 games in charge and with the club hovering above the relegation zone. sam allardyce will take over for their final four games including a trip to the champions manchester city on saturday. have your gressier has been in charge for the last 12 games, he was on what they called a flexible contract, having taken over from jesse march, who had started the season as the boss, and the position they find themselves in right now nicky zip code areas on, they are just above the bottom three but only on goal difference, though it is a huge task for sam allardyce, he comes in, and the first game on saturday is none other than of the english champions manchester city. so, they have got some big, big games to come, and part of the problem that a lot of bean fans have been saying in recent weeks is that

some of the games that they have been losing in recent weeks are the ones where they should have been picking up the points. a statement from the club which has just come out, they thankjavi gracia and his staff for what they call working under difficult circumstances, they then go on to add, sam allardyce has managed over 500 premier league games over 29 years, he brings a wealth of knowledge in fighting for survival, and famously, he has never suffered a relegation, he had not, until two years ago, when he went down with west brom, but we will see what he can do with leeds united in the next couple of weeks. and he is good at keeping clubs up, and he has done it with blackburn, sunderland, crystal palace and everton as well. looking at his managerial career, england, briefly, blackburn, newcastle, bolton wanderers, notts

county, blackpool, preston north end and limerick, first off as a player manager. so that is quite a cv, isn't it? it manager. so that is quite a cv, isn't it? , ., , , , isn't it? it is, absolutely. his first experience _ isn't it? it is, absolutely. his first experience of _ isn't it? it is, absolutely. his first experience of top - isn't it? it is, absolutely. his first experience of top flight | isn't it? it is, absolutely. his- first experience of top flight came with bolton wanderers, as you mentioned, he guided them to europe for the first time in their history, the likes of crystal palace, everton, newcastle, west brom was the one blip, you might say on the cv, nicky, in 2021, unable to keep them up. we were hearing earlier on 5 live, some words from the bbc leeds commentator, adam pope, who said, this will be his most difficult task. and the leeds fans are not all that happy. it is difficult task. and the leeds fans are not all that happy.— are not all that happy. it is a tall order, are not all that happy. it is a tall order. but _ are not all that happy. it is a tall order. but he — are not all that happy. it is a tall order, but he is _ are not all that happy. it is a tall order, but he is a _ are not all that happy. it is a tall order, but he is a big _ are not all that happy. it is a tall order, but he is a big man, - are not all that happy. it is a tall order, but he is a big man, big i are not all that happy. it is a tall- order, but he is a big man, big sam. first, the rest of the sports news? yes, so, elsewhere...

mikel arteta says his arsenal side had to prove they could get over their recent run if poor performances — they did just that, emphatically beating chelsea 3—1 to move them back to the top of the table. in rugby union, london irish players and staff have yet to receive their april wages amid concern about the club's financial future. the club are in the process of a protracted takeover by an american consortium. and bbc sport has learned that british cycling is considering banning male—born transgender riders from elite women's competition. it comes after austin killips became the first transgender athlete to win a uci women's stage race, reigniting the debate over transgender athletes competing in female events. a new policy is set to be announced later this month.

5 live breakfast, it is award—winning, best speech breakfast show won last night, our colleagues on the breakfast programme were in second place, so what a night for the beeb when it comes to breakfast. we have got three great mps, i say great, that is bbc impartiality at its best, you're all great. and we

have got our listeners�* questions coming in as well. richard graham, nick thomas—symonds and layla moran. we were talking teachers, let�*s carry that on, jenny, are you still with us, a concerned parent, worried about gcses coming up. we have got hour and a levels coming up as well. such a tough time for kids and young people over the pandemic they missed out on so much, that has added to all sorts of consequences. what would you say tojenny, nick? all sorts of consequences. what would you say to jenny, nick? well, firstl , would you say to jenny, nick? well, firstly. jenny. _ would you say to jenny, nick? well, firstly, jenny, thank _ would you say to jenny, nick? well, firstly, jenny, thank you _ would you say to jenny, nick? well, firstly, jenny, thank you for - would you say to jenny, nick? well, firstly, jenny, thank you for the - firstly, jenny, thank you for the call, and it�*s a really important issue. i think that this has been an extraordinarily difficult period in education, the disruption of the pandemic, which had obviously a huge impact on pupils, but also a huge impact on pupils, but also a huge impact on pupils, but also a huge impact on staff and teachers and i think it is perfectly understandable, the enormous pressure that teachers are under,

and i think there needs to be two aspects to what the government does, the first is to negotiate, i used to be a mediator, a lawyer representing people in negotiations in the past, you never know what that sweet spot of agreement is unless you are willing to do those hard yards of sitting down, that difficult negotiation, to find a position that neither side is going to be completely happy with but they can live with and the government needs to have that engagement. but secondly, a recognition of the enormous pressure that teachers are under and quite frankly we do need to recruit more teachers. labour has said we would recruit 6500 more teachers and we would find that by putting vat on independent school fees. so i think it is both engaging now to find a solution so that there isn�*t the continuing disruption but secondly, some light at the end of the tunnel, that there are additional teachers coming to

relieve the burden. fin additional teachers coming to relieve the burden.— additional teachers coming to relieve the burden. on the vat on independent _ relieve the burden. on the vat on independent schools, _ relieve the burden. on the vat on independent schools, what - relieve the burden. on the vat on independent schools, what about | independent schools, what about those schools that are, 4,000 pounds a year, muslim schools, and jewish schools, for example, £5,000 a year, and paying vat, for those parents, for whom faith is very important, would put those fees up considerably, so you�*re, i am would put those fees up considerably, so you�*re, iam not would put those fees up considerably, so you�*re, i am not a person of faith but i respect those who are, you would be forcing those children essentially into secular education, what would you say to those parents who would no longer be able to afford so for example muslim school? i able to afford so for example muslim school? ., ., ., ,. ., _ school? i am often fascinated by this debate _ school? i am often fascinated by this debate because _ school? i am often fascinated by this debate because i _ school? i am often fascinated by this debate because i used - school? i am often fascinated by this debate because i used to i school? i am often fascinated by i this debate because i used to work in university admissions at one time. �* . ~ in university admissions at one time. �* ., ~ ., ., time. i'm talking about that secific time. i'm talking about that specific point? _ time. i'm talking about that specific point? let - time. i'm talking about that specific point? let me - time. i'm talking about that i specific point? let me answer time. i'm talking about that - specific point? let me answer the secific specific point? let me answer the specific point. _ specific point? let me answer the specific point, because _ specific point? let me answer the specific point, because a - specific point? let me answer the specific point, because a variety i specific point? let me answer the| specific point, because a variety of documents have been put over the

years as to why vat on independent school fees may or may not work, and the independent schools have put the... , �* ., .,~ the... sorry, nick, i'm not talking about winchester, _ the... sorry, nick, i'm not talking about winchester, i'm _ the... sorry, nick, i'm not talking about winchester, i'm not - the... sorry, nick, i'm not talking about winchester, i'm not talking | about winchester, i�*m not talking about winchester, i�*m not talking about eton, or hello, i�*m talking about eton, or hello, i�*m talking about these, you know, schools, religious schools that are feepaying, private schools, £4500, £5,000 a year, will have to go up to £6,000 a year, and the parents will no longer be able to afford it, what do you say to those parents, not the parents of people who send their kids to £30,000 a year school? what i would say is — kids to £30,000 a year school? what i would say is that _ kids to £30,000 a year school? what i would say is that in _ kids to £30,000 a year school? what i would say is that in the _ kids to £30,000 a year school? hisusgt i would say is that in the interests of fairness for our whole school system, asking those parents who are paying fees, whether it is at the level that you have just suggested, nicky, orwhether level that you have just suggested, nicky, or whether it is at a higher level comedy eton, harrow, winchester, et cetera, my view is that that is the fair thing to do in

terms of improving our whole education system, and getting those additional teachers and low so they have got to take the hit and perhaps send their children to normal, mainstream schools. i�*ve got the answer. i�*ve seen the argument about the impact of vat. i�*m answer. i've seen the argument about the impact of vat.— the impact of vat. i'm talking about those on specific _ the impact of vat. i'm talking about those on specific schools _ the impact of vat. i'm talking about those on specific schools because i i those on specific schools because i had not heard that question answered and you answered it. richard, you went to eton. and you answered it. richard, you went to eton-— and you answered it. richard, you went to eton.- i'm _ and you answered it. richard, you went to eton.- i'm just - went to eton. yeah. i'm 'ust reminding i went to eton. yeah. i'm 'ust reminding you. i went to eton. yeah. i'm 'ust reminding you. were h went to eton. yeah. i'mjust reminding you. were you i went to eton. yeah. i'm just i reminding you. were you there went to eton. yeah. i'm just - reminding you. were you there with, you�*re probably younger than boris johnson? you're probably younger than boris johnson? ., s ., , you're probably younger than boris johnson?_ is - you're probably younger than boris i johnson?_ is surely johnson? older than boris. is surely not! afraid so. _ johnson? older than boris. is surely not! afraid so. just _ johnson? older than boris. is surely not! afraid so. just to _ johnson? older than boris. is surely not! afraid so. just to take - johnson? older than boris. is surely not! afraid so. just to take it - johnson? older than boris. is surely not! afraid so. just to take it back i not! afraid so. just to take it back to teachers. _ not! afraid so. just to take it back to teachers, really _ not! afraid so. just to take it back to teachers, really interesting - to teachers, really interesting hearing nick�*s answer to that, so, georgia, tell us about teaching, because you are not a teacher anymore, and you can put straight to richard? ., ., , ., ., richard? no, i was a teacher for ten ears, a richard? no, i was a teacher for ten years. a primary _ richard? no, i was a teacher for ten years, a primary school— richard? no, i was a teacher for ten years, a primary school teacher, - years, a primary school teacher, left the profession a year ago, and,

well, my life is a lot better since leaving teaching, which is a shame to say, because it was a great profession, but ultimately itjust wasn�*t sustainable unfortunately. so, what is it like for your colleagues still there, tell us about that?— colleagues still there, tell us about that? ~ ., , , about that? well, quite honestly i know a number _ about that? well, quite honestly i know a number of _ about that? well, quite honestly i know a number of them _ about that? well, quite honestly i know a number of them really - about that? well, quite honestly i i know a number of them really want about that? well, quite honestly i - know a number of them really want to leave the profession, which is, again, really, really sad to say, i worked at a really great school, although technically good, school, according to ofsted, and it is a real shame because ironically it is the people that want to do the best job, and some of the best teachers, that i feel like our leaving the profession, because if you want to do a good job, then ultimately there aren�*t really the tools in place to allow you to do a job that you know you were doing five years ago to the same standard, even though obviously you are a better teacher than longer you are a better teacher than longer

you are a better teacher than longer you are the profession, like all otherjobs, but as the tools get stripped away, as the resources diminish, you know you aren�*t doing as good a job as you could be. indie as good a 'ob as you could be. we heard a as good a job as you could be. we heard a lot yesterday from teachers telling us about what it is like in there and the fact that one teacher said that over the years she spent thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of pounds of her own money on equipment, she was an art teacher, she spent it on crayons and artworks because she wanted to give the very best to her pupils, is that something you�*ve experienced? filth. something you've experienced? oh, absolutel . something you've experienced? oh, absolutely- i— something you've experienced? s,i absolutely. i mean i think i was saying when i rang, we used to run school discos, and sell all the sweets and all that sort of stuff, and that wasn�*t to raise money for a trip to paris for the kids or something, quite simply it was to buy glue sticks. and not talking sticks, the good ones, i�*m talking simply run—of—the—mill cheap glue sticks so that we could get the work stuck into books to show the

progress because when the big ofsted rings, those two days, if those two days don�*t go right, i mean, about the head teacher, on your show, and that rather horribly true, i genuinely had nightmares, literal nightmares, about that story, even though i�*ve left the profession now, from what happened when i was on the job. from what happened when i was on the 'ob. . ., . , , ., from what happened when i was on the 'ob. . , job. richard... why should teachers have to spend _ job. richard... why should teachers have to spend their _ job. richard... why should teachers have to spend their own _ job. richard... why should teachers have to spend their own money - job. richard... why should teachers have to spend their own money on i have to spend their own money on equipment?— have to spend their own money on equipment? they shouldn't, is the short answer. _ equipment? they shouldn't, is the short answer, but _ equipment? they shouldn't, is the short answer, but nicky, - equipment? they shouldn't, is the short answer, but nicky, it's - equipment? they shouldn't, is the short answer, but nicky, it's really interesting, — short answer, but nicky, it's really interesting, my elder son is a teacher— interesting, my elder son is a teacher and i have got three other teachers _ teacher and i have got three other teachers in — teacher and i have got three other teachers in my immediate family, so no shortage — teachers in my immediate family, so no shortage of advice from teachers at home, _ no shortage of advice from teachers at home, and i think what is really interesting — at home, and i think what is really interesting is, i have been around a dozen _ interesting is, i have been around a dozen schools and so far this year already. _ dozen schools and so far this year already, and the one that struck me the most _ already, and the one that struck me the most was the one in a poor part of gloucester, what would be

described as one of the 10% deprived areas _ described as one of the 10% deprived areas in _ described as one of the 10% deprived areas in the — described as one of the 10% deprived areas in the country, where the head teacher— areas in the country, where the head teacher said — areas in the country, where the head teacher said to, look, no—one in this— teacher said to, look, no—one in this school— teacher said to, look, no—one in this school has gone on strike, and that is— this school has gone on strike, and that is not— this school has gone on strike, and that is not because we don't want more _ that is not because we don't want more money or we think the cause of the union— more money or we think the cause of the union is— more money or we think the cause of the union is wrong, of course we would _ the union is wrong, of course we would aii— the union is wrong, of course we would all like more cash, but we see our roie _ would all like more cash, but we see our roie here — would all like more cash, but we see our role here is helping people who don't _ our role here is helping people who don't come — our role here is helping people who don't come from backgrounds where there _ don't come from backgrounds where there is— don't come from backgrounds where there is necessarily a great deal of help there is necessarily a great deal of heip for— there is necessarily a great deal of help for their aspirations, we see our roie — help for their aspirations, we see our roie is — help for their aspirations, we see our role is doing the best by our pupils — our role is doing the best by our pupils. and _ our role is doing the best by our pupils. and so none of us have been on strike _ pupils. and so none of us have been on strike at— pupils. and so none of us have been on strike at all so far. and i was very— on strike at all so far. and i was very struck— on strike at all so far. and i was very struck by that because i think that gets — very struck by that because i think that gets to the heart of what a vocation — that gets to the heart of what a vocation is all about, is putting your— vocation is all about, is putting your own — vocation is all about, is putting your own needs behind the needs of the peopie _ your own needs behind the needs of the people you are there to help. vocation— the people you are there to help. vocation don't pay the bills. vocation don�*t pay the bills. jalibert has been a deal on the table — jalibert has been a deal on the table which was rejected in march, it was— table which was rejected in march, it was a _ table which was rejected in march, it was a 45— table which was rejected in march, it was a 4.5 increase this year with five hours — it was a 4.5 increase this year with five hours less workload per week, which _ five hours less workload per week, which was — five hours less workload per week, which was designed to address the

point _ which was designed to address the point made earlier possibly by george — point made earlier possibly by george or byjenny about the amount of paperwork that some teachers have to do, _ of paperwork that some teachers have to do. which— of paperwork that some teachers have to do, which we also provide with. and that _ to do, which we also provide with. and that was i would argue a pretty reasonable deal and i hope that we will reasonable deal and i hope that we wiii be _ reasonable deal and i hope that we will be able to... | reasonable deal and i hope that we will be able to. . ._ will be able to... i am going to brina will be able to... i am going to bring josh _ will be able to... i am going to bring josh back _ will be able to... i am going to bring josh back in. _ will be able to... i am going to bring josh back in. how - will be able to... i am going to bring josh back in. how do - will be able to... i am going to bring josh back in. how do you j will be able to... i am going to - bring josh back in. how do you feel when you hear that word vocation? er... ifeel like a when you hear that word vocation? er... i feel like a vocation when you hear that word vocation? er... ifeel like a vocation is when you hear that word vocation? er... i feel like a vocation is a very convenient word that is used for a job that means that you won�*t necessarily get paid a huge amount but you will feel great about doing it, nurses and things like that and don�*t get me wrong if you were to ask anyone in anyjob would you like more pay i am sure they would say yes, but the teaching strike isn�*t about the pay, and all the teachers that i know and i have spoken to, it certainly wasn�*t the reason that i left the job wasn�*t because i wasn�*t being paid enough, it�*s because there are not the resources in place to do the job to the standard that we were able to do ten, nine, even

eight years ago. you used to have teaching assistants, now, essential parts of the educational system, there was being stripped away. and a lot of them, it is one of those things where, if you look at the numbers, even the teaching assistant numbers, even the teaching assistant numbers, it�*s the hours in the classroom which are being reduced. the deficit in education, because of and because resources have been stripped away, sessions in the afternoon, interventions in the afternoon, interventions in the afternoon become absolutely essential. so any teaching assistant you might have is definitely going to be out of the classroom in the afternoon doing small group or one—to—one work with children which is really important but then all those other children that are still in the class, those lessons are still happening, that teacher still has to provide, and people will say, oh, 50 years ago there weren�*t any teaching assistants, back in my day won�*t and that... i�*m sorry, the backin won�*t and that... i�*m sorry, the back in my day argumentjust does not apply, if you speak to any

teacher, many teachers who have retired now, if you ask them, did thejob get retired now, if you ask them, did the job get progressively more difficult? yes, it absolutely did, and yet their skill was getting better year—on—year, but the demands, the expectations go up and “p demands, the expectations go up and up and as the resources come down, thatis up and as the resources come down, that is not sustainable, it�*s the same thing that you hear accuracy with the nhs, it�*s not that the staff aren�*t working as hard, it�*s not that they are steadily worse at their job, not that they are steadily worse at theirjob, there are literally fewer people, there are fewer resources, allowing them to do a good job. i will let richard come back on that because i think it is important we hearfrom because i think it is important we hear from the because i think it is important we hearfrom the government because i think it is important we hear from the government party on this issue, then we have got another education question coming straight after that. education question coming straight afterthat. richard, come back education question coming straight after that. richard, come back on that. , ., ., ., that. look, george, all of those oints that. look, george, all of those points are _ that. look, george, all of those points are valid _ that. look, george, all of those points are valid because - that. look, george, all of those - points are valid because everybody's individual _ points are valid because everybody's individual experience and thoughts are, but— individual experience and thoughts are, but objectively, there is a lot

of technology that is also there to help. _ of technology that is also there to help, whether it's people in education or health or even mps. yes. _ education or health or even mps. yes. aii— education or health or even mps. yes. all of— education or health or even mps. yes, all of us get many more demands on our— yes, all of us get many more demands on our time. _ yes, all of us get many more demands on ourtime, but yes, all of us get many more demands on our time, but there are tools to help on our time, but there are tools to heip and _ on our time, but there are tools to heip and it — on our time, but there are tools to heip and it is — on our time, but there are tools to help and it is about making decisions and to beating resources, i decisions and to beating resources, | -et decisions and to beating resources, i get aii— decisions and to beating resources, i get all of— decisions and to beating resources, i get all of that. but i think what we saying — i get all of that. but i think what we saying is that the negotiations with the _ we saying is that the negotiations with the teaching unions very much continued. — with the teaching unions very much continued, there was this package in march _ continued, there was this package in march which included five hours less work per _ march which included five hours less work per week for teachers, about half work per week for teachers, about haif a _ work per week for teachers, about half a day, — work per week for teachers, about half a day, so i think that would have _ half a day, so i think that would have made _ half a day, so i think that would have made a difference to those who were feeling particularly stressed out and _ were feeling particularly stressed out and i— were feeling particularly stressed out and i think we are all very conscious— out and i think we are all very conscious that there is a hell of a lot conscious that there is a hell of a iot of— conscious that there is a hell of a lot of catch—up work to be done after _ lot of catch—up work to be done after the — lot of catch—up work to be done after the pandemic with a lot of pupils. — after the pandemic with a lot of pupils, and we need to give schools all the _ pupils, and we need to give schools all the support we can, which is why mps do _ all the support we can, which is why mps do go _ all the support we can, which is why mps do go around to schools to do that _ mps do go around to schools to do that so _ mps do go around to schools to do that so i — mps do go around to schools to do that. so i think that it is perfectly possible to land that. so i think that it is perfectly possible to [and an agreement on this which as nick says earlier— agreement on this which as nick says earlier won't— agreement on this which as nick says earlier won't be perfect for either side but — earlier won't be perfect for either side but which everyone can live with and — side but which everyone can live with and then get on with the main

task which— with and then get on with the main task which is helping those pupils achieve _ task which is helping those pupils achieve their best. but task which is helping those pupils achieve their best.— task which is helping those pupils achieve their best. but richard the rima achieve their best. but richard the primary concern — achieve their best. but richard the primary concern that _ achieve their best. but richard the primary concern that teachers - achieve their best. but richard the | primary concern that teachers have raised with me is that it is not fully funded, and this is why the head teachers unions, in an unprecedented move, have now coordinated with the teaching unions, because actually ultimately, what this is doing, yes, we want teachers to be paid more for all of the reasons we have heard, and i think george has made a very eloquent case about what it is like now, i left the classroom eight years ago, i would not dare to assume i know what it is like anymore, but the thing that they are saying they are crying out for the resources. there is no point in making a pay offer unless it is fully funded, otherwise you are paying teachers more and taking from the children and teachers are striking because they don�*t want to do that. i think that�*s very magnanimous of them. and it�*s the right thing, the government needs to pay up- right thing, the government needs to pay up. 50. right thing, the government needs to la u n . ., right thing, the government needs to .a us. ., ., pay up. so, the government has of course put — pay up. so, the government has of course put in _ pay up. so, the government has of course put in an — pay up. so, the government has of course put in an additional- pay up. so, the government has of course put in an additional i - pay up. so, the government has of course put in an additional i think i course put in an additional i think 2.5 course put in an additional i think 25 biiiion— course put in an additional i think 2.5 billion from the autumn statement thatjeremy 2.5 billion from the autumn statement that jeremy hunt made and actuaiiy— statement that jeremy hunt made and actually our education system is the

fourth _ actually our education system is the fourth best— actually our education system is the fourth best funded education system in the _ fourth best funded education system in the world, per pupil, so, it is notjust— in the world, per pupil, so, it is notjust about money, it's partly about— notjust about money, it's partly about how — notjust about money, it's partly about how money is being used and we recognise _ about how money is being used and we recognise all of those difficulties that george has flagged up but i think— that george has flagged up but i think now it is a case of reaching an agreement with the union and hoping _ an agreement with the union and hoping that everything can get back to normal— hoping that everything can get back to normal as quickly as possible. you very— to normal as quickly as possible. you very much, i absolutely love doing this, a teacher or nxt should get in touch, we will carry on the conversation, and george, you did that, thank you. sarah liverpool, i am looking at the clock, apologies, sarah, image and in central london, it is another, still on the theme of education, good morning, what is your question, imogen? goad education, good morning, what is your question, imogen? good morning. m auestion your question, imogen? good morning. my question is. — your question, imogen? good morning. my question is, what _ your question, imogen? good morning. my question is, what do _ your question, imogen? good morning. my question is, what do you _ your question, imogen? good morning. my question is, what do you think- my question is, what do you think about keir starmer going back on his pledge to capture missionaries? fries. pledge to capture missionaries? yes, he wants to — pledge to capture missionaries? yes, he wants to show _ pledge to capture missionaries? yes, he wants to show fiscal _ he wants to show fiscal responsibility but he has gone back on a pledge to capture missionaries layla moran from the lib dems, will

be interesting on that one. —— to cut in fees. he has done a clegg. nick from labour, he has done a clegg, hasn�*t he? look what became of nick clegg as a result of that, he had to apologise eventually? well, i certainly don�*t compare my current leader with nick clegg. let mejust come to... current leader with nick clegg. let me just come to... me sticky agrees with nick. hopefully with me which would be far better than agreeing with nick clegg. but let me come to this issue, because i think as i indicated on a previous answer, i have worked in university admissions myself in the past so i have seen how this current system works, and keir is clear that the system as it stands is not working how we would like it to work, i still think it is deterring people from more modest backgrounds from going away to university, i don�*t think the funding is working in our university sector in the way that it should be. so our position is that it is certainly in need of reform but we also have to accept the economic

reality, if we are privileged enough to get into government next year, there is not going to be a golden economic inheritance... this there is not going to be a golden economic inheritance... this was a led . e? economic inheritance... this was a pledge? we _ economic inheritance. .. this was a pledge? we all— economic inheritance... this was a pledge? we all know _ economic inheritance... this was a pledge? we all know about - economic inheritance... this was a pledge? we all know about the - pledge? we all know about the disaster of _ pledge? we all know about the disaster of the _ pledge? we all know about the disaster of the trust _ pledge? we all know about the disaster of the trust quieting i pledge? we all know about the i disaster of the trust quieting mini budget and the ongoing impact that it has. so we want to reform the system... it has. so we want to reform the system- - -_ it has. so we want to reform the s stem... ., ., ,, ., , system... not talking about pledging alleiiance, system... not talking about pledging allegiance, does _ system... not talking about pledging allegiance, does it _ system... not talking about pledging allegiance, does it mean _ system... not talking about pledging allegiance, does it mean anything i allegiance, does it mean anything anymore, this is one of his pledges to the british people, he has gone back on it? but to the british people, he has gone back on it?— back on it? but the choice here, nic , is back on it? but the choice here, nicky. is to _ back on it? but the choice here, nicky, is to stubbornly - back on it? but the choice here, nicky, is to stubbornly continue| nicky, is to stubbornly continue with something, ignoring reality, or actually accept the economic reality, and that is what i want to see in a leader, someone pontus but you guys were criticising the conservative party when they raised taxes on the conservative party said we are going with you can make reality because we were not expecting a pandemic, you were shouting at them about that. but now ou are shouting at them about that. but now you are making _ shouting at them about that. but now you are making the _ shouting at them about that. but now you are making the same _ shouting at them about that. but now you are making the same argument. i you are making the same argument. no, because the reason that the government has become a high tax government has become a high tax government is because of the low

growth that they presided over for the past 13 years, they�*ve averaged 1.4% growth during that period, which is towards the bottom of the oecd, so there is no inconsistency there, the failure to grow the economy is where the government has ended up in the position it has. but on tuition fees, we do believe the system is in need of reform, we will certainly be putting forward our proposals come the election, in wales, for example, the welsh government has introduced a very different balance between tuition fees and the maintenance grant, so there are models that labour already in the uk is putting into practice i get that, he has gone back on his undertaking. get that, he has gone back on his undertaking-— undertaking. what do you think, imoien? undertaking. what do you think, imogen? i _ undertaking. what do you think, imogen? ijust— undertaking. what do you think, imogen? i just think _ undertaking. what do you think, imogen? i just think that - undertaking. what do you think, imogen? i just think that if - undertaking. what do you think, imogen? i just think that if you i undertaking. what do you think, i imogen? i just think that if you are imogen? i 'ust think that if you are t in: to imogen? i just think that if you are trying to make _ imogen? i just think that if you are trying to make the _ imogen? i just think that if you are trying to make the world, - trying to make the world, particularly the uk, a more equal place. _ particularly the uk, a more equal place, then having students coming out of— place, then having students coming out of university with thousands of pounds' _ out of university with thousands of pounds' worth of debt is obviously going _ pounds' worth of debt is obviously going to _ pounds' worth of debt is obviously going to deter lower income students from going _ going to deter lower income students from going to university in the first— from going to university in the first place. i am graduating this

year— first place. i am graduating this year and — first place. i am graduating this year and going into a world where i basicaliy— year and going into a world where i basically need a degree to do a lot ofiobs. _ basically need a degree to do a lot ofiobs. it— basically need a degree to do a lot ofiobs. it is— basically need a degree to do a lot ofjobs, it is awful to know that i am coming — ofjobs, it is awful to know that i am coming out of university with 527.500 — am coming out of university with £27,500 worth of debt. in what way does that— £27,500 worth of debt. in what way does that inspire hope to the next generation?— generation? leila, you know something — generation? leila, you know something about _ generation? leila, you know something about ditching i generation? leila, you know- something about ditching pledges on tuition fees. i something about ditching pledges on tuition fees. ,., , something about ditching pledges on tuition fees. ,, ., , ., tuition fees. i will say i was a mere activist _ tuition fees. i will say i was a mere activist during - tuition fees. i will say i was a mere activist during that - tuition fees. i will say i was a i mere activist during that period tuition fees. i will say i was a - mere activist during that period of time, i was elected in 2017. i know ou time, i was elected in 2017. i know you were- — time, i was elected in 2017. i know you were- and _ time, i was elected in 2017. i know you were- and i — time, i was elected in 2017. i know you were. and i musically - time, i was elected in 2017. i know| you were. and i musically apologise for doini you were. and i musically apologise for doing that. _ you were. and i musically apologise for doing that, and _ you were. and i musically apologise for doing that, and we _ you were. and i musically apologise for doing that, and we were - you were. and i musically apologise for doing that, and we were roundly punished for it in the 2015 general election and to be honest i can understand why. did election and to be honest i can understand why.— election and to be honest i can understand why. election and to be honest i can understand wh . , , ., ., ., ., understand why. did you get a lot of flak? we got — understand why. did you get a lot of flak? we got huge — understand why. did you get a lot of flak? we got huge amounts - understand why. did you get a lot of flak? we got huge amounts of- understand why. did you get a lot of flak? we got huge amounts of flak i flak? we got huge amounts of flak and i think people _ flak? we got huge amounts of flak and i think people don't _ flak? we got huge amounts of flak and i think people don't like - flak? we got huge amounts of flak and i think people don't like it - and i think people don�*t like it when people say one thing and then do something else. there is a lesson there for all governments of all colours. but i now speak for oxford, oxford west and abingdon has two proud universities in it, oxford university and oxford brookes and i am speaking to students all the time

that the situation that we know find that the situation that we know find that they are in is really untenable. so, over the last five years or so we have seen the interest rate rise, it is no longer 9%, it is 12%, that is just eye—watering, even in this cost—of—living crisis, with high mortgage rates and so on, 12% is just a rinse. and then they have lowered the repayment threshold, they are also asking students to pay back over a longer period of time so i completely agree that it needs reform. the thing i think we need to introduce immediately for the poorer students is maintenance grants, and really generous maintenance grants for the poorest students. the thing that students tell me that really affects them is the cost of student housing and access to things like mental health support. so, there is huge work that we need to do and actually maybe this is the opportunity for us to do it cross—party because actually we have now got all the parties saying that we need to reform this, that�*s do it together and then give us some continuity. together and then give us some continuity-— together and then give us some continui . . ., ., ., , ., continuity. richard, what do you think about _ continuity. richard, what do you think about this _ continuity. richard, what do you think about this change - continuity. richard, what do you think about this change in -

continuity. richard, what do you think about this change in policyj continuity. richard, what do you i think about this change in policy by labour? ~ .. . think about this change in policy by labour? ~ ,, ., , labour? well, i think that the first thin is in labour? well, i think that the first thing is in a _ labour? well, i think that the first thing is in a sense, _ labour? well, i think that the first thing is in a sense, keir— labour? well, i think that the first thing is in a sense, keir starmeri thing is in a sense, keir starmer has accepted _ thing is in a sense, keir starmer has accepted the _ thing is in a sense, keir starmer has accepted the reality- thing is in a sense, keir starmer has accepted the reality that - thing is in a sense, keir starmeri has accepted the reality that nick clegg _ has accepted the reality that nick clegg discovered _ has accepted the reality that nick clegg discovered in— has accepted the reality that nick clegg discovered in 2010, - has accepted the reality that nick clegg discovered in 2010, which i clegg discovered in 2010, which is, if you _ clegg discovered in 2010, which is, if you are _ clegg discovered in 2010, which is, if you are going _ clegg discovered in 2010, which is, if you are going to _ clegg discovered in 2010, which is, if you are going to fund _ if you are going to fund universities, _ if you are going to fund universities, there - if you are going to fund universities, there is. if you are going to fund | universities, there is no if you are going to fund - universities, there is no other if you are going to fund _ universities, there is no other way than _ universities, there is no other way than to— universities, there is no other way than to have — universities, there is no other way than to have a _ universities, there is no other way than to have a form _ universities, there is no other way than to have a form of _ universities, there is no other way than to have a form of students i than to have a form of students paying — than to have a form of students paying fees. _ than to have a form of students paying fees. as _ than to have a form of students paying fees, as well _ than to have a form of students paying fees, as well as - than to have a form of students paying fees, as well as foreigni paying fees, as well as foreign students — paying fees, as well as foreign students subsidising _ paying fees, as well as foreign students subsidising our- paying fees, as well as foreign - students subsidising our students... i didn't— students subsidising our students... i didn't pay— students subsidising our students... i didn't pay a — students subsidising our students... ididn't paya penny— students subsidising our students... i didn't pay a penny yellowish - i didn�*t pay a penny yellowish unless you really want to land a huge big tax bill on taxpayers across the country, some of whose children will be doing apprenticeships while the er... it worked in the past, didn�*t it? buti worked in the past, didn't it? but i think those — worked in the past, didn't it? but i think those days, _ worked in the past, didn't it? but i think those days, have _ worked in the past, didn't it? but i think those days, have moved on, nicky— think those days, have moved on, nicky and — think those days, have moved on, nicky and i— think those days, have moved on, nicky and i think _ think those days, have moved on, nicky and i think labour— think those days, have moved on, nicky and i think labour has - think those days, have moved on, | nicky and i think labour has bitten that reality — nicky and i think labour has bitten that reality piit _ nicky and i think labour has bitten that reality pill. i— nicky and i think labour has bitten that reality pill. ithink— nicky and i think labour has bitten that reality pill. i think the - that reality pill. i think the difficult _ that reality pill. i think the difficult thing _ that reality pill. i think the difficult thing for- that reality pill. i think the difficult thing for keir - that reality pill. i think the . difficult thing for keir starmer that reality pill. i think the - difficult thing for keir starmer and the labour— difficult thing for keir starmer and the labour party— difficult thing for keir starmer and the labour party on _ difficult thing for keir starmer and the labour party on this _ difficult thing for keir starmer and the labour party on this is - difficult thing for keir starmer and the labour party on this is that. difficult thing for keir starmer and the labour party on this is that it. the labour party on this is that it opens— the labour party on this is that it opens the — the labour party on this is that it opens the whole _ the labour party on this is that it opens the whole question - the labour party on this is that it opens the whole question of - the labour party on this is that iti opens the whole question of trust and whether— opens the whole question of trust and whether you _ opens the whole question of trust and whether you can _ opens the whole question of trust and whether you can believe - opens the whole question of trust| and whether you can believe quite what _ and whether you can believe quite what they— and whether you can believe quite what they say _ and whether you can believe quite what they say. there _ and whether you can believe quite what they say. there was - and whether you can believe quitei what they say. there was obviously the pledge — what they say. there was obviously the pledge to — what they say. there was obviously the pledge to renationalise - what they say. there was obviously the pledge to renationalise a - what they say. there was obviously. the pledge to renationalise a swathe of different — the pledge to renationalise a swathe of different utilities _ the pledge to renationalise a swathe of different utilities and _ of different utilities and industries _ of different utilities and industries that- of different utilities and industries that has - of different utilities and i industries that has gone. of different utilities and - industries that has gone. this of different utilities and _ industries that has gone. this one has gone —

industries that has gone. this one has gone what— industries that has gone. this one has gone. what might _ industries that has gone. this one has gone. what might there - industries that has gone. this one has gone. what might there be i has gone. what might there be coming? — has gone. what might there be coming? capital— has gone. what might there be coming? capital gains - has gone. what might there be coming? capital gains tax, - has gone. what might there be i coming? capital gains tax, wealth tax, coming? capital gains tax, wealth tax. property— coming? capital gains tax, wealth tax. property tax. _ coming? capital gains tax, wealth tax, property tax, that _ coming? capital gains tax, wealth tax, property tax, that we - coming? capital gains tax, wealth tax, property tax, that we haven't heard _ tax, property tax, that we haven't heard about — tax, property tax, that we haven't heard about get? _ tax, property tax, that we haven't heard about get? and _ tax, property tax, that we haven't heard about get? and i— tax, property tax, that we haven't heard about get? and i think- tax, property tax, that we haven't heard about get? and i think that| heard about get? and i think that question— heard about get? and i think that question of— heard about get? and i think that question of trust _ heard about get? and i think that question of trust is _ heard about get? and i think that question of trust is one _ heard about get? and i think that question of trust is one which - heard about get? and i think thatj question of trust is one which will worrym — question of trust is one which will wor ~ .., question of trust is one which will wor ...~ ., question of trust is one which will wor .... ., ii" worry... we can examine your 2019 manifesto! _ worry... we can examine your 2019 manifesto! sure, _ worry... we can examine your 2019 manifesto! sure, we _ worry... we can examine your 2019 manifesto! sure, we have - worry. .. we can examine your 2019 manifesto! sure, we have all- worry... we can examine your 2019 manifesto! sure, we have all had i worry... we can examine your 2019| manifesto! sure, we have all had to ada t. manifesto! sure, we have all had to adapt. yes. — manifesto! sure, we have all had to adapt- yes. we _ manifesto! sure, we have all had to adapt. yes, we have. _ manifesto! sure, we have all had to adapt. yes, we have. final- manifesto! sure, we have all had to adapt. yes, we have. finalword, i adapt. yes, we have. finalword, ou've adapt. yes, we have. finalword, you've got _ adapt. yes, we have. finalword, you've got 40 — adapt. yes, we have. finalword, you've got 40 seconds, - adapt. yes, we have. finalword, you've got 40 seconds, it - adapt. yes, we have. finalword, you've got 40 seconds, it is - adapt. yes, we have. finalword, you've got 40 seconds, it is all. you�*ve got 40 seconds, it is all yours, nick. you've got 40 seconds, it is all yours. nick-— you've got 40 seconds, it is all yours, nick. well, listen, ithink that keir starmer— yours, nick. well, listen, ithink that keir starmer has _ yours, nick. well, listen, ithink that keir starmer has done - yours, nick. well, listen, ithink that keir starmer has done a - yours, nick. well, listen, ithinki that keir starmer has done a quite magnificentjob as the leader of the labour party, to put us in a position, we are serious contenders for government. since 2020 when he became the leader we have had the pandemic, we have had the war in ukraine, we�*ve had the chance disastrous mini budget and in my view he would be a great premise to for this country.—

for this country. thank you to all of ou, for this country. thank you to all of you. you _ for this country. thank you to all of you. you have _ for this country. thank you to all of you, you have been _ for this country. thank you to all of you, you have been excellent| of you, you have been excellent company, excellent questions from our listeners as well. the first hour was quite something, exhilarating and exhausting, but it always is. live from london, this is bbc news eight schoolchildren and a security guard have been shot dead by a fellow pupil in a rare mass shooting in serbia. sudan is headed towards a humanitarian catastrophe, according to the un. their humanitarian chief and secretary general are leading efforts to get aid in visits to the country and nearby kenya. russia says nearly 200 people have been fighting a fire at a large fuel storage tank not far from the bridge that leads to occupied crimea. an investigation finds russian naval ships were close to the nord stream gas pipelines when they exploded last september. eight pupils and a security

guard have been killed in a school shooting in the serbian capital, belgrade. police have