welcome, good to see you. thank you forjoining me for the nation's phonein forjoining me for the nation's phone in on five live, bbc sound, bbc two, bbc news and iplayer. will charles be a good king? on saturday, we'll see king charles iii formally invested with his regal powers. of course, he was the longest serving prince of wales, having spent 64 years in the role. think back to the time of diana's death, surreal days in these

islands�* history, who would have ever thought we get to this point? skip a generation they said for a long time, cannot have an adulterous the head of church of england, they said. some still say it. if victorian morality is your thing, maybe it is an issue. times are different, society has changed, he is head of the church of england, head of a blended family as well. what do you expect from him as king? will you learn to love the monarch? whatever love is a thoughtful man, artistic man, a fine watercolourist, literally an artist formerly known as prince, but now he is king. what we know about king charles the man? and what are your hopes for his reign? can he restore the reputation of the monarchy, in the wake of years of rifts and scandal? what image of britain

will he portray around the world? are you excited about the dawn of the carolean era? ora or a bitter pill to swallow? will charles be a good king? russia has attacked the ukrainian capital kyiv with missiles and drones for the fourth time in a week. there were reports of several loud explosions overnight. it comes a day after russia accused ukraine of trying to kill president putin with a drone attack on the kremlin — something the ukrainians deny.

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man who cares about the environment, a prophet in his own land. more than many politicians he has long understood the scale of the problem, the profound nature of the challenge facing humanity, a man who interferes, something has gone beyond his brief, has to stay stomp now himself. a man of medals, with medals, rememberthe now himself. a man of medals, with medals, remember the black spider memos to politicians that were eventually published, to ministers in the past, but all manner of issues. i don�*t know if you saw the repair shop last night, i love that programme, it was a repeat but prince charles on and i was thinking while watching, there is much to repair in his own family beyond even the powers of the team, with harry and meghan and the disgraced prince andrew and be on that for his

monarchy. the 14 commonwealth realms who are increasingly disaffected and peeling off one by one. his life, think of it, his life has been our lives. as prince charles and now king charles and to use the jargon of the age, what a journey. dreaming this are and a hanky in his pocket. will charles be a good thing? here he is addressing the nation following the death of his mother where he set out how he plans to rule. figs where he set out how he plans to rule. �* , ,, , rule. as the queen herself did with such unswerving _ rule. as the queen herself did with such unswerving devotion, - rule. as the queen herself did with such unswerving devotion, i- rule. as the queen herself did with such unswerving devotion, i too . rule. as the queen herself did with l such unswerving devotion, i too now solemnly pledge myself throughout the remaining time god grants me to uphold the constitutional principles

at the heart of our nation. and wherever you may live in the united kingdom, or in the realms or territories across the world, and whatever may be your background or beliefs, i shall endeavour to serve you with loyalty, respect and love as i have throughout my life. remember the end of that speech when he said we pay tribute to his mother, queen elizabeth ii, as you begin your last greatjourney to join my dearly papaya, i want to thank you for your love and devotion to herfamily in the thank you for your love and devotion to her family in the family of patients who have served so diligently all these years, may flights of angels sing thee to thy rest. passing on the batten to him, the orb and sceptre, whatever. interesting comedy devotion not only to your family but the family of nations who have served. what is the future of the family of nations? get

in touch. doctor elizabeth naughton, royal historian, good morning. it is great to see you. nina is in reading, hello. and jelly in kensington. i say that with significance. what are your feelings about this? will he be a good king, is he one already? i think he will be, i think he's a think he will be, i think he�*s a good man that has been training for thejob his good man that has been training for the job his whole life, clearly not going to be the same mrs mother and will probably interfere a bit more but that is possibly not a bad thing and i think camilla is absolutely terrific and the best thing that ever happened to him. did terrific and the best thing that ever happened to him. did you think we would ever— ever happened to him. did you think we would ever be _ ever happened to him. did you think we would ever be here? _

ever happened to him. did you think we would ever be here? remember| we would ever be here? remember i997, we would ever be here? remember 1997, the scandal and need this oblige in things said about him. a lot of finger pointing and blame put in his direction for the whole thing and i think a lot of people thought we would never be here, but we are. aren�*t we? he we would never be here, but we are. aren't we?— he should have married camilla in the first place, that was the big mistake, per diana was the sacrificial virgin but they were never right for each other and should have had camilla in the first place, we used to live on the isle of man many years anytime this was happening and a lot of her friends used to put camilla and charles up at weekends when they were seeing each other long before the general public knew and no one ever had a bad word to say about her, everyone said she was just a good bad word to say about her, everyone said she wasjust a good girl, great fun, love is a trunk and a flag and a laugh and was so good for him,

made him happy as opposed to worried him any state that diana did. marvellous.— marvellous. likes the great outdoors. _ marvellous. likes the great outdoors, like _ marvellous. likes the great outdoors, like a _ marvellous. likes the great outdoors, like a flag, -- i marvellous. likes the great - outdoors, like a flag, -- cigarette, outdoors, like a flag, —— cigarette, the smell of wet labradors and all that. yourfriends put them up on the isle of man, did you see? hat that. your friends put them up on the isle of man, did you see? not on the isle of man, did you see? not on the isle of man, _ the isle of man, did you see? not on the isle of man, friends _ the isle of man, did you see? not on the isle of man, friends with - the isle of man, friends with country houses around. film. the isle of man, friends with country houses around. oh, you have friends in those _ country houses around. oh, you have friends in those circles, _ country houses around. oh, you have friends in those circles, yeah? - country houses around. oh, you have friends in those circles, yeah? we . friends in those circles, yeah? we did in friends in those circles, yeah? - did in those days. probably not so much now but when you live on the isle of man it was very much like that the 70s.— isle of man it was very much like that the 70s. that is fascinating, a little insight _ that the 70s. that is fascinating, a little insight from _ that the 70s. that is fascinating, a little insight from jelly _ that the 70s. that is fascinating, a little insight from jelly in - little insight from jelly in kensington. nina, will he make a good king? i kensington. nina, will he make a good king?— kensington. nina, will he make a aood kina? ., , ., good king? i would hope so but to me i kind of good king? i would hope so but to me i kind of think — good king? i would hope so but to me i kind of think it— good king? i would hope so but to me i kind of think it is _ good king? i would hope so but to me i kind of think it is this _ i kind of think it is this overinflated idea, the royals don't make _ overinflated idea, the royals don't make any— overinflated idea, the royals don't make any rules, don't really change

any policies. — make any rules, don't really change any policies, so in context, what actually — any policies, so in context, what actually makes a good going and what does that— actually makes a good going and what does that benefit regular folks like some _ does that benefit regular folks like some of— does that benefit regular folks like some of us, working families around the country— some of us, working families around the country around the world? whether— the country around the world? whether he is a good king or what would _ whether he is a good king or what would he — whether he is a good king or what would be defined as a bad king, how does that— would be defined as a bad king, how does that change anybody's life? the royal family is more a big pr organisation where you are bringing in money— organisation where you are bringing in money and getting paid for doing it. i in money and getting paid for doing it i like _ in money and getting paid for doing it i like the — in money and getting paid for doing it. i like the idea that he pushes on environmental things and about charity, _ on environmental things and about charity, hut— on environmental things and about charity, but the way i also see it is, the _ charity, but the way i also see it is, the amount of money the royals have king _ is, the amount of money the royals have king charles has in the mansions, he could do more. let's say mansions, he could do more. let's say make _ mansions, he could do more. let's say make one of those matches in open _ say make one of those matches in open shooters home for the homeless or something. —— mansions —— open

tutor— or something. —— mansions —— open tutor home — or something. —— mansions —— open tutor home. let's face it, the uk is in a terrible — tutor home. let's face it, the uk is in a terrible situation at the moment, _ in a terrible situation at the moment, people are struggling, and whether— moment, people are struggling, and whether it _ moment, people are struggling, and whether it will be a good king or hacking — whether it will be a good king or backing does not make a difference. it's irrelevant to regular folk like me and — it's irrelevant to regular folk like me and millions of others. it does not make — me and millions of others. it does not make a — me and millions of others. it does not make a difference. what makes a backing _ not make a difference. what makes a backing which mac are going to change — backing which mac are going to change the rules? no. | get backing which mac are going to change the rules? no.- backing which mac are going to change the rules? no. i get it, what is the definition _ change the rules? no. i get it, what is the definition of _ change the rules? no. i get it, what is the definition of a _ change the rules? no. i get it, what is the definition of a good _ change the rules? no. i get it, what is the definition of a good king? - is the definition of a good king? what do you think of him? we all have a view, some may have changed over the years and softened or hardened, what do you think of him? the way i see it is, she has been born— the way i see it is, she has been born in— the way i see it is, she has been born in that _ the way i see it is, she has been born in that bloodline into that role and — born in that bloodline into that role and he has been trained to do this role _ role and he has been trained to do this role and perform it very well, he has _ this role and perform it very well, he has had — this role and perform it very well, he has had a lot of years to do it, so if— he has had a lot of years to do it, so if he _ he has had a lot of years to do it, so if he messes it up however he can mess— so if he messes it up however he can mess it _ so if he messes it up however he can mess it up _ so if he messes it up however he can mess it up then that is hopeless, but as— mess it up then that is hopeless, but as a — mess it up then that is hopeless, but as a man, again, regularfolk, we don't _ but as a man, again, regularfolk, we don't know him, we know the perception— we don't know him, we know the perception that is given to us by the royals and by the press will

stop that — the royals and by the press will stop that is what we know. we don't know _ stop that is what we know. we don't know him _ stop that is what we know. we don't know him as — stop that is what we know. we don't know him as a person. in this idea that he _ know him as a person. in this idea that he is— know him as a person. in this idea that he is for— know him as a person. in this idea that he is for the people and the good _ that he is for the people and the good man. — that he is for the people and the good man, we don't know him apart from _ good man, we don't know him apart from the _ good man, we don't know him apart from the things we are told about him _ from the things we are told about him. ~' ., from the things we are told about him. ~ ., . , , him. think of the princes trust, he started, disadvantaged _ him. think of the princes trust, he started, disadvantaged young - him. think of the princes trust, he - started, disadvantaged young people, more than a million of them in the year they have had the princes trust, more than a million young people able to start businesses, open their own businesses, entirely due to prince charles. that shows to me a good man. due to prince charles. that shows to me a good man-— me a good man. that shows a man who's done — me a good man. that shows a man who's done something _ me a good man. that shows a man who's done something good, - me a good man. that shows a man who's done something good, not i me a good man. that shows a man i who's done something good, not him being _ who's done something good, not him being a _ who's done something good, not him being a good man. you could be a terrible _ being a good man. you could be a terrible hearse and behind doors but actually _ terrible hearse and behind doors but actually he _ terrible hearse and behind doors but actually he has done a good thing, doesn't _ actually he has done a good thing, doesn't make the person a good man because _ doesn't make the person a good man because we _ doesn't make the person a good man because we don't know him as a man. that is— because we don't know him as a man. that is not— because we don't know him as a man. that is not characterised as a good man by— that is not characterised as a good man by a _ that is not characterised as a good man by a good deed. that is why he

is in a _ man by a good deed. that is why he is in a position to perform those roles, _ is in a position to perform those roles, and — is in a position to perform those roles, and the hope of opening that would _ roles, and the hope of opening that would obviously benefit young people. — would obviously benefit young people, which he achieved that goal, but imagine how much he personally -ot but imagine how much he personally got from _ but imagine how much he personally got from accomplishing that. if we could _ got from accomplishing that. if we could actually open this trust and all the _ could actually open this trust and all the money, that is money that has been — all the money, that is money that has been donated for that cause, did not come _ has been donated for that cause, did not come out of his own pocket. he made _ not come out of his own pocket. he made it— not come out of his own pocket. he made it happen on the press, he was able to— made it happen on the press, he was able to perform those roles because of position — able to perform those roles because of position. he able to perform those roles because of osition. , ., able to perform those roles because of osition. , . ., of position. he is a figurehead, the monarchy. — of position. he is a figurehead, the monarchy. is _ of position. he is a figurehead, the monarchy, is not _ of position. he is a figurehead, the monarchy, is not really _ of position. he is a figurehead, the monarchy, is not really about - of position. he is a figurehead, the | monarchy, is not really about time, is about keeping going something that�*s been going for thousands of years which does bring in millions of visitors, which shows this country in a good light, which is way better than having please forgive me, tony blair orjoe biden

or... putting in charge, god forbid, so let�*s count our blessings. it is so let's count our blessings. it is not aood so let's count our blessings. it is not good all _ so let's count our blessings. it is not good all around _ so let's count our blessings. it is not good all around the world. the little bubble of the royals, the actually— little bubble of the royals, the actually there is so much more... it brings— actually there is so much more... it brings in_ actually there is so much more... it brings in revenue in the uk but if you think— brings in revenue in the uk but if you think about all those countries that the _ you think about all those countries that the royals have actually taken things _ that the royals have actually taken things from, it brings revenue to the uk — things from, it brings revenue to the uk. �* , things from, it brings revenue to the uk. �*, ., ~ ., ., , the uk. let's talk about charles, all related _ the uk. let's talk about charles, all related issues, _ the uk. let's talk about charles, all related issues, you _ the uk. let's talk about charles, all related issues, you raise - the uk. let's talk about charles, all related issues, you raise a i the uk. let's talk about charles, i all related issues, you raise a very good point, quite a few good points, nina, istria, bahamas, belize, canada, grader, jamaican, new zealand, papua new guinea, st louis ir, st vincent, the grenadines, solomon islands, tuvalu and others and who knows what the future of the

united kingdom is over the coming years. changing times, countries that want to be going through the exit door one by one and we will see what does happen. doctor elizabeth naughton, a really good point by nina, a pointed question, what makes a good king? what is the definition of a good king, elizabeth? this a good king? what is the definition of a good king, elizabeth?- of a good king, elizabeth? this is alwa s of a good king, elizabeth? this is always such _ of a good king, elizabeth? this is always such a _ of a good king, elizabeth? this is always such a difficult _ of a good king, elizabeth? this is always such a difficult question . of a good king, elizabeth? this is l always such a difficult question and in a few— always such a difficult question and in a few years — always such a difficult question and in a few years back— always such a difficult question and in a few years back there _ always such a difficult question and in a few years back there was - always such a difficult question and in a few years back there was a - always such a difficult question andj in a few years back there was a pall on the _ in a few years back there was a pall on the greatest _ in a few years back there was a pall on the greatest british _ in a few years back there was a pall on the greatest british monarch - in a few years back there was a pall| on the greatest british monarch and a tenth— on the greatest british monarch and a tenth century— on the greatest british monarch and a tenth century monarch _ on the greatest british monarch and a tenth century monarch one - on the greatest british monarch and a tenth century monarch one that i a tenth century monarch one that barely— a tenth century monarch one that barely anyone _ a tenth century monarch one that barely anyone has _ a tenth century monarch one that barely anyone has heard - a tenth century monarch one that barely anyone has heard of. i a tenth century monarch one that barely anyone has heard of. the. barely anyone has heard of. the definition— barely anyone has heard of. the definition changes _ barely anyone has heard of. the definition changes over- barely anyone has heard of. the definition changes over time. ifl barely anyone has heard of. the i definition changes over time. if you spoke _ definition changes over time. if you spoke to— definition changes over time. if you spoke to someone _ definition changes over time. if you spoke to someone in— definition changes over time. if you spoke to someone in the _ definition changes over time. if you spoke to someone in the victorian. spoke to someone in the victorian era they— spoke to someone in the victorian era they would _ spoke to someone in the victorian era they would point _ spoke to someone in the victorian era they would point to _ spoke to someone in the victorian era they would point to henry i spoke to someone in the victorian era they would point to henry v i spoke to someone in the victorian i era they would point to henry v from the 15th— era they would point to henry v from the 15th century— era they would point to henry v from the 15th century who _ era they would point to henry v from the 15th century who conquered i the 15th century who conquered france — the 15th century who conquered france we've _ the 15th century who conquered france. we've moved _ the 15th century who conquered france. we've moved on - the 15th century who conquered france. we've moved on since. the 15th century who conquered i france. we've moved on since then and are _ france. we've moved on since then and are definition _ france. we've moved on since then and are definition of— france. we've moved on since then and are definition of the _ france. we've moved on since then and are definition of the king - france. we've moved on since then and are definition of the king is- and are definition of the king is very— and are definition of the king is very much— and are definition of the king is very much not— and are definition of the king is very much not marching - and are definition of the king is very much not marching your. very much not marching your shoulders— very much not marching your shoulders out— very much not marching your shoulders out across - very much not marching yourj shoulders out across europe. very much not marching your. shoulders out across europe. i very much not marching your- shoulders out across europe. i think over the _ shoulders out across europe. i think over the last — shoulders out across europe. i think over the last few— shoulders out across europe. i think over the last few years _ shoulders out across europe. i think over the last few years we - shoulders out across europe. i think over the last few years we have i shoulders out across europe. i think. over the last few years we have come to kind _ over the last few years we have come to kind of _ over the last few years we have come to kind of redefine _ over the last few years we have come to kind of redefine what _ over the last few years we have come to kind of redefine what we _ over the last few years we have come to kind of redefine what we think i over the last few years we have come to kind of redefine what we think of l to kind of redefine what we think of as a good _

to kind of redefine what we think of as a good king _ to kind of redefine what we think of as a good king are— to kind of redefine what we think of as a good king are monarch, - to kind of redefine what we think of as a good king are monarch, and i to kind of redefine what we think of| as a good king are monarch, and for as a good king are monarch, and for a lot— as a good king are monarch, and for a lot of— as a good king are monarch, and for a lot of us— as a good king are monarch, and for a lot of us it's — as a good king are monarch, and for a lot of us it's elizabeth— as a good king are monarch, and for a lot of us it's elizabeth ii. - as a good king are monarch, and for a lot of us it's elizabeth ii. she i a lot of us it's elizabeth ii. she of course — a lot of us it's elizabeth ii. she of course famously— a lot of us it's elizabeth ii. she of course famously never- a lot of us it's elizabeth ii. she - of course famously never complained or explained. — of course famously never complained or explained. it— of course famously never complained or explained. it was— of course famously never complained or explained, it was a _ of course famously never complained or explained, it was a life _ of course famously never complained or explained, it was a life of- of course famously never complained or explained, it was a life of duty, i or explained, it was a life of duty, a long _ or explained, it was a life of duty, a long way— or explained, it was a life of duty, a long way and _ or explained, it was a life of duty, a long way and she _ or explained, it was a life of duty, a long way and she was _ or explained, it was a life of duty, a long way and she was still- or explained, it was a life of duty, . a long way and she was still working until two— a long way and she was still working until two days — a long way and she was still working until two days before _ a long way and she was still working until two days before her— a long way and she was still working until two days before her death, i a long way and she was still working until two days before her death, sol until two days before her death, so i until two days before her death, so i thinking _ until two days before her death, so i thinking charles— until two days before her death, so i thinking charles is— until two days before her death, so i thinking charles is very— until two days before her death, so i thinking charles is very much i i thinking charles is very much going — i thinking charles is very much going to — i thinking charles is very much going to look _ i thinking charles is very much going to look towards - i thinking charles is very much going to look towards the i i thinking charles is very much - going to look towards the example... complaint _ going to look towards the example... complaint when — going to look towards the example... complaint when he _ going to look towards the example... complaint when he could _ going to look towards the example... complaint when he could not- going to look towards the example... complaint when he could not get- going to look towards the example... complaint when he could not get to l complaint when he could not get to spiro. he complaint when he could not get to siro. . . complaint when he could not get to siro, ., ., , complaint when he could not get to siro. . . , ., spiro. he had a few pen -related incidents following _ spiro. he had a few pen -related incidents following his _ spiro. he had a few pen -related incidents following his assertion | spiro. he had a few pen -related i incidents following his assertion to the throne — incidents following his assertion to the throne. ~ . . incidents following his assertion to the throne. . ., , ., incidents following his assertion to the throne. . ., ., , the throne. was not gracious when it came to his — the throne. was not gracious when it came to his nibs. _ the throne. was not gracious when it came to his nibs. i _ the throne. was not gracious when it came to his nibs. i believe _ the throne. was not gracious when it came to his nibs. i believe he - the throne. was not gracious when it came to his nibs. i believe he takes. came to his nibs. i believe he takes his own pen — came to his nibs. i believe he takes his own pen with _ came to his nibs. i believe he takes his own pen with them _ came to his nibs. i believe he takes his own pen with them now- came to his nibs. i believe he takes his own pen with them now to i his own pen with them now to engagements _ his own pen with them now to engagements i— his own pen with them now to engagements-— his own pen with them now to enuuaements. . , _ , engagements. i have every sympathy with that, engagements. i have every sympathy with that. i've — engagements. i have every sympathy with that, i've got _ engagements. i have every sympathy with that, i've got to _ engagements. i have every sympathy with that, i've got to say. _ engagements. i have every sympathy with that, i've got to say. i _ engagements. i have every sympathy with that, i've got to say. i am i with that, i�*ve got to say. i am very particular about my pens... but i would not have a pen hissy fit in public. i would not have a pen hissy fit in ublic. ., i would not have a pen hissy fit in public. ida. it may seem trivial but public. no. it may seem trivial but tell us something about the man... he is not his mother. i think

everybody— he is not his mother. i think everybody knows _ he is not his mother. i think everybody knows that. i he is not his mother. i think everybody knows that. she. he is not his mother. i think. everybody knows that. she was he is not his mother. i think- everybody knows that. she was by far and away _ everybody knows that. she was by far and away the — everybody knows that. she was by far and away the most _ everybody knows that. she was by far and away the most popular— everybody knows that. she was by far and away the most popular member. everybody knows that. she was by farl and away the most popular member of the royal— and away the most popular member of the royal family. — and away the most popular member of the royal family, other— and away the most popular member of the royal family, other people - and away the most popular member of the royal family, other people kind i the royal family, other people kind of got _ the royal family, other people kind of got up _ the royal family, other people kind of got up and — the royal family, other people kind of got up and down _ the royal family, other people kind of got up and down on _ the royal family, other people kind of got up and down on the - the royal family, other people kind of got up and down on the scale i of got up and down on the scale popularity— of got up and down on the scale popularity but _ of got up and down on the scale popularity but the _ of got up and down on the scale popularity but the scale - of got up and down on the scale popularity but the scale was i of got up and down on the scale i popularity but the scale was most popular~ — popularity but the scale was most popular king _ popularity but the scale was most popular. king charles— popularity but the scale was most popular. king charles is— popularity but the scale was most popular. king charles is prince i popular. king charles is prince certainly— popular. king charles is prince certainly was _ popular. king charles is prince certainly was not _ popular. king charles is prince certainly was not in _ popular. king charles is prince certainly was not in the - popular. king charles is prince certainly was not in the top i popular. king charles is prince i certainly was not in the top five, i would _ certainly was not in the top five, i would not — certainly was not in the top five, i would not have _ certainly was not in the top five, i would not have forethought, i certainly was not in the top five, i | would not have forethought, most popular— would not have forethought, most popular monarchs. _ would not have forethought, most popular monarchs. he _ would not have forethought, most popular monarchs. he has - would not have forethought, most popular monarchs. he has had i would not have forethought, most popular monarchs. he has had a i would not have forethought, most. popular monarchs. he has had a very lon- popular monarchs. he has had a very long apprenticeship, _ popular monarchs. he has had a very long apprenticeship, the _ popular monarchs. he has had a very long apprenticeship, the oldest- long apprenticeship, the oldest british— long apprenticeship, the oldest british monarch _ long apprenticeship, the oldest british monarch by— long apprenticeship, the oldest british monarch by quite - long apprenticeship, the oldest british monarch by quite a i long apprenticeship, the oldest british monarch by quite a longj long apprenticeship, the oldest- british monarch by quite a long way to take _ british monarch by quite a long way to take the — british monarch by quite a long way to take the throne, _ british monarch by quite a long way to take the throne, 73 _ british monarch by quite a long way to take the throne, 73 when - british monarch by quite a long way to take the throne, 73 when he i to take the throne, 73 when he became — to take the throne, 73 when he became king. _ to take the throne, 73 when he became king, and _ to take the throne, 73 when he became king, and i— to take the throne, 73 when he became king, and i think- to take the throne, 73 when he became king, and i think since| to take the throne, 73 when he i became king, and i think since the pen incident— became king, and i think since the pen incident he _ became king, and i think since the pen incident he has— became king, and i think since the pen incident he has done - became king, and i think since the pen incident he has done pretty. became king, and i think since the i pen incident he has done pretty well and generally— pen incident he has done pretty well and generally playing _ pen incident he has done pretty well and generally playing the _ pen incident he has done pretty well and generally playing the role. - and generally playing the role. penance — and generally playing the role. penance. . . .. and generally playing the role. penance. . . ,, ., penance. penance, i like that, he has done his— penance. penance, i like that, he has done his penance. _ penance. penance, i like that, he has done his penance. to - penance. penance, i like that, he has done his penance. to some i penance. penance, i like that, he i has done his penance. to some extent it did _ has done his penance. to some extent it did not _ has done his penance. to some extent it did not look— has done his penance. to some extent it did not look good, _ has done his penance. to some extent it did not look good, look _ has done his penance. to some extent it did not look good, look very- it did not look good, look very petulant. _ it did not look good, look very petulant. his— it did not look good, look very petulant, his mother- it did not look good, look very petulant, his mother had i it did not look good, look very petulant, his mother had justl it did not look good, look very- petulant, his mother had just died so i petulant, his mother had just died so i think— petulant, his mother had just died so i think possibly— petulant, his mother had just died so i think possibly we _ petulant, his mother had just died so i think possibly we should i petulant, his mother had just died so i think possibly we should all. so i think possibly we should all forget _ so i think possibly we should all forget the — so i think possibly we should all forget the pen— so i think possibly we should all forget the pen incident - so i think possibly we should all forget the pen incident to - so i think possibly we should all forget the pen incident to somej forget the pen incident to some extent— forget the pen incident to some extent kind _ forget the pen incident to some extent kind of— forget the pen incident to some extent kind ofjudgment - forget the pen incident to some extent kind ofjudgment what i forget the pen incident to some i extent kind ofjudgment what she forget the pen incident to some - extent kind ofjudgment what she has done in _ extent kind ofjudgment what she has done in the _ extent kind ofjudgment what she has done in the last _ extent kind ofjudgment what she has done in the last few _ extent kind ofjudgment what she has done in the last few months - extent kind ofjudgment what she has done in the last few months and i extent kind ofjudgment what she has done in the last few months and what he will— done in the last few months and what he will do _ done in the last few months and what he will do going — done in the last few months and what he will do going forward. _ done in the last few months and what

he will do going forward. i _ done in the last few months and what he will do going forward.— he will do going forward. i want to to to he will do going forward. i want to go to victoria _ he will do going forward. i want to go to victoria who _ he will do going forward. i want to go to victoria who is _ he will do going forward. i want to go to victoria who is with - he will do going forward. i want to go to victoria who is with us i he will do going forward. i want to go to victoria who is with us for i he will do going forward. i want to go to victoria who is with us for a | go to victoria who is with us for a short while. that camilla is the one person that can keep him in check and answer back to him and tell him what it is all about and i thought can other people not do that? watches remain for many years, you may be able to enlighten me here. victoria, royaljournalist. great to grab some of your time. is interesting because what you said about camilla being one person i could get through to charles or speak to him on issues that may be other people can is one of the things people used to say about prince philip at the queen, the only person that could treat her as a normal human being and there was no sense of deference of any kind there, so perhaps it is simply a feature of being in that position. you have to remember charles did come into this world any very different time, we talk about queen elizabeth coming to the throne in a different era but is when he was born and people were much more

deferential to the royal family in the 50s and that would have been his first experience of life and his family but i do think he has shown a significant ability like his mother to adapt over the years and to move with the times and that is absolutely crucial because if the monarchy wants to survive and absolutely has to do that and we are seeing with the coronation this kind of attempt to use this ancient service with all the traditional rituals and kind of preserve that and understand the value of the pomp and understand the value of the pomp and pageantry, the same time as kind of sending a message about modern britain on the world stage today, but i do think what is interesting about the conversations around this coronation in the mood is that it does feel like there needs to be a lot more in the run—up to some of the big events of the past ten years that were underpinned by queen elizabeth at the centre and a very unique popularity with the public. what about the rumours were used to hear, i think they were quite

substantiated, as well, that he lived as a prince, could be very charming and gentle and an artist, atta said earlier on, i like repeating jokes, artist formerly known as prince, but he was sensitive to environmental issues and good with young people with this also a man who got somebody, i read, we all read, that put the toothpaste on his toothbrush for him every morning? this is a man of contrast, right? h morning? this is a man of contrast, riuht? ~ ., , ., ., right? i think that is a fair point, the toothpaste _ right? i think that is a fair point, the toothpaste thing _ right? i think that is a fair point, the toothpaste thing i _ right? i think that is a fair point, the toothpaste thing i think- right? i think that is a fair point, the toothpaste thing i think is i right? i think that is a fair point, the toothpaste thing i think is a | the toothpaste thing i think is a rumour, i've never had that substantiated, but it has definitely stuck i think the idea he has a lavish lifestyle is accurate. when we look at the next generation of the royalfamily, william and kate, i think that is where we see the kind of formation in terms of how they live their everyday lives. that is offset by the fact he has been incredibly progressive in a lot of his charity work, some of his charitable endeavours have been

hugely successful in marginalising people around the country at a time when perhaps it wasn't so useful for the royals to put all of their focus into that and as progressive outlook on the environment as i think something that the standard in good stead with young people. the polling thatis, stead with young people. the polling that is, recently does suggest there is a bit of a challenge there. queen elizabeth out polls the monarchy consistently, and she doesn't come on a par, his popularity has hovered at the number of people who want to keep the monarchy in this country but when you dig deeper into the balls you see there are more younger people who say they would like an elected head of state, a bbc poll that showed almost half the people who described himself as ethnic minorities said they thought the royal family had a minorities said they thought the royalfamily had a problem minorities said they thought the royal family had a problem with race, so he's presiding over an institution people have very mixed views about at the moment, and he

does not have the extra popularity queen elizabeth had. ml does not have the extra popularity queen elizabeth had.— queen elizabeth had. all those ima . es queen elizabeth had. all those images throughout _ queen elizabeth had. all those images throughout his - queen elizabeth had. all those images throughout his life, - images throughout his life, throughout our lives, that tapestry of history, the little boy on the platform when his mother came back from australia, looking so lonely and so alone and gordonstoun, the school that was so austere and forbidding and krill, some might say. he was bullied there. all sorts of stuff going on in his life that will, has informed the man he is now. ian in bolton, victoria thank you. we have elizabeth, who will return. ian in bolton, and jenny in the oval, becky and aldershot, three wonderful listeners. talk, iam here to listen. good morning. jenny, you kick it off. ian mbeki can respond.

jenny, will he make a good king? j jenny, will he make a good king? i don't know what good means. i don't know what people are asking. i don't know... it is an interesting one. i just don't get how everyone thinks they are so wonderful and he is so wonderful. i'll give you an example about how he is supposed to be so green, really green. i walked down the high street every day and i don't know, and every high street there is these plastic big coronation celebration for his coronation celebration for his coronation on saturday, and they are all plastic. can you imagine the landfill that is going to make? does he not feel his _ landfill that is going to make? does he not feel his aston _ landfill that is going to make? does he not feel his aston martin on cow dung or something? he not feel his aston martin on cow dung orsomething? i read he not feel his aston martin on cow dung or something? i read something like that. but

dung or something? i read something like that. �* , ., , . , like that. but the plastic, it is hypocritical- _ like that. but the plastic, it is hypocritical. all _ like that. but the plastic, it is hypocritical. all these - like that. but the plastic, it is l hypocritical. all these decisions made about his coronation, why was that not a big decision? i want it all to be green, that would have been fantastic. it would have been a better decision than all the plastic flags were going to have and the plastic cups, the unionjack rubbish in the shops. plastic cups, the union jack rubbish in the shape— plastic cups, the union jack rubbish in the sh°ps-_ i i in the shops. union jack rubbish,. i auree, it in the shops. union jack rubbish,. i agree. it would _ in the shops. union jack rubbish,. i agree, it would be _ in the shops. union jack rubbish,. i agree, it would be lovely _ in the shops. union jack rubbish,. i agree, it would be lovely for - in the shops. union jack rubbish,. i agree, it would be lovely for it - in the shops. union jack rubbish,. i agree, it would be lovely for it to i agree, it would be lovely for it to be made from recyclable stuff. you never know. _ be made from recyclable stuff. you never know. it _ be made from recyclable stuff. you never know, it might be recyclable. you never_ never know, it might be recyclable. you never know, napkins for example into the _ you never know, napkins for example into the paper recycling, cups into the plastic. — into the paper recycling, cups into the plastic, it is not a difficult

concept — the plastic, it is not a difficult concept tojust recycle the plastic, it is not a difficult concept to just recycle and the plastic, it is not a difficult concept tojust recycle and reuse. the flags, — concept tojust recycle and reuse. the flags, a — concept tojust recycle and reuse. the flags, a lot of the flags that are just — the flags, a lot of the flags that are just unionjacks, we can bring it in ten— are just unionjacks, we can bring it in ten years' time to celebrate the ten — it in ten years' time to celebrate the ten year anniversary.- the ten year anniversary. that's what you'll _ the ten year anniversary. that's what you'll be _ the ten year anniversary. that's what you'll be doing _ the ten year anniversary. that's what you'll be doing in - the ten year anniversary. that's what you'll be doing in ten - the ten year anniversary. that's. what you'll be doing in ten years' time, getting the factor and celebrating.— time, getting the factor and celebrating. no, i hope in ten ears' celebrating. no, i hope in ten years' time — celebrating. no, i hope in ten years' time i _ celebrating. no, i hope in ten years' time i can _ celebrating. no, i hope in ten years' time i can see - celebrating. no, i hope in ten years' time i can see as - celebrating. no, i hope in ten years' time i can see as being celebrating. no, i hope in ten i years' time i can see as being a republic tomorrow but i bloody well hope so. i hope the royalfamily republic tomorrow but i bloody well hope so. i hope the royal family get smaller and smaller and smaller, because i love the fact we had tourists coming to this country to celebrate all the pomp and ceremony, i can understand that, it will bring money into the country, but the french are the biggest, paris is the biggest tourist spot in europe and they don't need a royal family. yes.

they don't need a royal family. yes, we focus on — they don't need a royal family. yes, we focus on that _ they don't need a royal family. yes, we focus on that yesterday, and we are focusing in on the recycling and hypocrisy, maybe we are all hypocrites to an extent but it is interesting because he's been very vocal about the environment. let me ask this question, what does it mean? being a good king? what is that? j mean? being a good king? what is that? . ., , , mean? being a good king? what is that? , , that? i completely disagree with the other westerners, _ that? i completely disagree with the other westerners, i _ that? i completely disagree with the other westerners, i really _ that? i completely disagree with the other westerners, i really do. - that? i completely disagree with the other westerners, i really do. not i otherwesterners, i really do. not confrontational— otherwesterners, i really do. not confrontational or— otherwesterners, i really do. not confrontational or anything - otherwesterners, i really do. not confrontational or anything but i other westerners, i really do. notl confrontational or anything but the royal— confrontational or anything but the royal family— confrontational or anything but the royal family are _ confrontational or anything but the royal family are custodians - confrontational or anything but the royal family are custodians of i confrontational or anything but the i royal family are custodians of these historicat— royal family are custodians of these historical premises— royal family are custodians of these historical premises we _ royal family are custodians of these historical premises we have, - royal family are custodians of these historical premises we have, and i historical premises we have, and historicat— historical premises we have, and historical properties _ historical premises we have, and historical properties in _ historical premises we have, and historical properties in england, i historical properties in england, which _ historical properties in england, which does _ historical properties in england, which does bring _ historical properties in england, which does bring in _ historical properties in england, which does bring in a _ historical properties in england, which does bring in a massive i historical properties in england, i which does bring in a massive wealth of tourism _ which does bring in a massive wealth of tourism for— which does bring in a massive wealth of tourism. for more _ which does bring in a massive wealth of tourism. for more money - which does bring in a massive wealth of tourism. for more money than i which does bring in a massive wealth| of tourism. for more money than the royal— of tourism. for more money than the royal family— of tourism. for more money than the royal family needs— of tourism. for more money than the royal family needs to _ of tourism. for more money than the royal family needs to survive. - of tourism. for more money than the royal family needs to survive. i- royal family needs to survive. i understand _ royal family needs to survive. i understand they— royal family needs to survive. i understand they could - royal family needs to survive. i understand they could do - royal family needs to survive. i understand they could do with. understand they could do with reducing — understand they could do with reducing a _ understand they could do with reducing a bit _ understand they could do with reducing a bit and, _ understand they could do with reducing a bit and, yes, - understand they could do with reducing a bit and, yes, somej understand they could do with i reducing a bit and, yes, some of understand they could do with - reducing a bit and, yes, some of the money— reducing a bit and, yes, some of the money could, — reducing a bit and, yes, some of the money could, which _ reducing a bit and, yes, some of the money could, which it _ reducing a bit and, yes, some of the money could, which it does, - reducing a bit and, yes, some of the money could, which it does, let's. money could, which it does, let's -et money could, which it does, let's get our— money could, which it does, let's get our facts _ money could, which it does, let's get our facts right, _ money could, which it does, let's get our facts right, a _ money could, which it does, let's get our facts right, a lot - money could, which it does, let's get our facts right, a lot of- money could, which it does, let'si get our facts right, a lot of money goes _ get our facts right, a lot of money goes to— get our facts right, a lot of money goes to foundation _ get our facts right, a lot of money goes to foundation charity - get our facts right, a lot of money goes to foundation charity is - get our facts right, a lot of money goes to foundation charity is from | goes to foundation charity is from the royatm —

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_ that they don't have a black sheep in the family? that _ that they don't have a black sheep in the family? that they— that they don't have a black sheep in the family? that they have i that they don't have a black sheep. in the family? that they have never had a _ in the family? that they have never had a family— in the family? that they have never had a family fallout? _ in the family? that they have never had a family fallout? i _ in the family? that they have never had a family fallout?— in the family? that they have never had a family fallout? i can remember a very small. — had a family fallout? i can remember a very small. very — had a family fallout? i can remember a very small, very scared _ had a family fallout? i can remember a very small, very scared -looking i a very small, very scared —looking young boy marching behind his mother's funeral and on a deep

level, ifeel sorry for mother's funeral and on a deep level, i feel sorry for him, mother's funeral and on a deep level, ifeel sorry for him, but mother's funeral and on a deep level, i feel sorry for him, but i agree, level, ifeel sorry for him, but i agree, he level, i feel sorry for him, but i agree, he is damaged by that. that should not have happened. i agree, he is damaged by that. that should not have happened.- should not have happened. i have suffered some _ should not have happened. i have suffered some severe _ should not have happened. i have suffered some severe mental- should not have happened. i have i suffered some severe mental health issues, _ suffered some severe mental health issues, i'm — suffered some severe mental health issues, i'm in— suffered some severe mental health issues, i'm in the _ suffered some severe mental health issues, i'm in the fire— suffered some severe mental health issues, i'm in the fire and _ suffered some severe mental health issues, i'm in the fire and rescue i issues, i'm in the fire and rescue service. _ issues, i'm in the fire and rescue service. i— issues, i'm in the fire and rescue service. i have _ issues, i'm in the fire and rescue service, i have been _ issues, i'm in the fire and rescue service, i have been in— issues, i'm in the fire and rescue service, i have been in the - 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the reason why a lot of young i individuals now cannot associate is because _ individuals now cannot associate is because they — individuals now cannot associate is because they are _ individuals now cannot associate is because they are very _ individuals now cannot associate is because they are very protected, i because they are very protected, young _ because they are very protected, young people _ because they are very protected, young people are _ because they are very protected, young people are very _ because they are very protected, young people are very protectedl young people are very protected because — young people are very protected because of— young people are very protected because of covid _ young people are very protected because of covid and _ young people are very protected because of covid and i— young people are very protected because of covid and i grew- young people are very protected because of covid and i grew up i young people are very protectedl because of covid and i grew up in the 80s— because of covid and i grew up in the 80s and _ because of covid and i grew up in the 80s and 90s _ because of covid and i grew up in the 80s and 90s where _ because of covid and i grew up in the 80s and 90s where you - because of covid and i grew up ml the 80s and 90s where you would literativ— the 80s and 90s where you would literally go — the 80s and 90s where you would literally go out _ the 80s and 90s where you would literally go out and _ the 80s and 90s where you would literally go out and i'm _ the 80s and 90s where you would literally go out and i'm sure - the 80s and 90s where you would literally go out and i'm sure you i literally go out and i'm sure you would _ literally go out and i'm sure you would agree, _ literally go out and i'm sure you would agree, we _ literally go out and i'm sure you would agree, we play— literally go out and i'm sure you would agree, we play all- literally go out and i'm sure you would agree, we play all day- literally go out and i'm sure you i would agree, we play all day and only come — would agree, we play all day and only come home _ would agree, we play all day and only come home when _ would agree, we play all day and only come home when the - would agree, we play all day andj only come home when the street lights _ only come home when the street lights are — only come home when the street lights are on _ only come home when the street lights are on~ [_ only come home when the street lights are on-_ only come home when the street lights are on. i am 55, i am not a youngster- _

lights are on. i am 55, i am not a youngster- they _ lights are on. i am 55, i am not a youngster. they were _ lights are on. i am 55, i am not a youngster. they were amazing i lights are on. i am 55, i am not a i youngster. they were amazing times, amazin: youngster. they were amazing times, amazing memories _ youngster. they were amazing times, amazing memories of _ youngster. they were amazing times, amazing memories of what _ youngster. they were amazing times, amazing memories of what i - youngster. they were amazing times, amazing memories of what i had i youngster. they were amazing times, | amazing memories of what i had when i was a _ amazing memories of what i had when i was a youth, — amazing memories of what i had when i was a youth. you _ amazing memories of what i had when i was a youth, you make _ amazing memories of what i had when i was a youth, you make yourself i i was a youth, you make yourself jumbled — i was a youth, you make yourself jumbled teas _ i was a youth, you make yourself jumbled teas put _ i was a youth, you make yourself jumbled teas put them _ i was a youth, you make yourself jumbled teas put them in- i was a youth, you make yourself jumbled teas put them in a - i was a youth, you make yourselfi jumbled teas put them in a plastic ba- jumbled teas put them in a plastic bag and _ jumbled teas put them in a plastic bag and vou're _ jumbled teas put them in a plastic bag and you're off— jumbled teas put them in a plastic bag and you're off on _ jumbled teas put them in a plastic bag and you're off on your- jumbled teas put them in a plastic bag and you're off on your bike. it| bag and you're off on your bike. it was a _ bag and you're off on your bike. it was a fantastic _ bag and you're off on your bike. it was a fantastic time. _ bag and you're off on your bike. it was a fantastic time. amazing - was a fantastic time. amazing summers _ was a fantastic time. amazing summers-_ was a fantastic time. amazing summers. . ., . summers. can i come in? you had me at jamba summers. can i come in? you had me at jamba teas- — at jamba teas. i at jamba teas. liust- at jamba teas. ijust think a lot of people use them — ijust think a lot of people use them as— ijust think a lot of people use them as entertainment. my dad was my generation, _ them as entertainment. my dad was my generation, my dad is 86, went through— generation, my dad is 86, went through the war and all that, and so i think_ through the war and all that, and so i think queen elizabeth probably had a connection and that's why she is

loved _ a connection and that's why she is loved so _ a connection and that's why she is loved so much but i don't think there _ loved so much but i don't think there is— loved so much but i don't think there is a — loved so much but i don't think there is a connection with charles. i know_ there is a connection with charles. i know he — there is a connection with charles. i know he is— there is a connection with charles. i know he is green, has connections there, _ i know he is green, has connections there. but— i know he is green, has connections there. but i— i know he is green, has connections there, but i don't think he has got a connection. i think he is out of touch _ a connection. i think he is out of touch he — a connection. i think he is out of touch. he looks awkward around people. — touch. he looks awkward around people. i— touch. he looks awkward around people, i think. touch. he looks awkward around people, ithink. gut touch. he looks awkward around peeple. i think-— touch. he looks awkward around people, ithink. out of touch. let's no to our people, ithink. out of touch. let's go to our caller _ people, ithink. out of touch. let's go to our caller in _ people, ithink. out of touch. let's go to our caller in luton. _ people, ithink. out of touch. let's go to our caller in luton. is - people, ithink. out of touch. let's go to our caller in luton. is he - people, ithink. out of touch. let's go to our caller in luton. is he out| go to our caller in luton. is he out of touch? will he make a good king? i think prince charles will make a very good king. i was talking to my neighbour yesterday and i am conscious... unconsciously are referred to him as uncle charles. we have known him forever, no his politics, he is green, wants to embrace all faiths into his kingdom, i think he will make a very good king because he is a sensitive man.

we might want to see good king mean? —— what does a good king mean? somebody that wants to embrace all diversity and wants to learn and he is not going to be like an ordinary man, he has been brought up in that kind of bubble. i do think that there are elements of his personality that we have grown to know over the years that are good. he does not talk war, he talks piece. i have the memory that you went to, one of his spider memos, which were revealed when he was sticking his orb in, was, to tony blair, our troops in iraq are woefully underfunded, you must give them

proper equipment, because obviously he looks at everything that is going on in the world, and he can't do that anymore. i am really interested in where you see him, suma, as a sort of avuncular figure, and somebody said early on, harry is broken, suma, is this a dysfunctional family? broken, suma, is this a d sfunctionalfamil ? , �*, ~ dysfunctional family? yes. it's like the kardashians _ dysfunctional family? yes. it's like the kardashians or, _ dysfunctional family? yes. it's like the kardashians or, you _ dysfunctional family? yes. it's like the kardashians or, you know, - dysfunctional family? yes. it's like the kardashians or, you know, any other— the kardashians or, you know, any other famous... laughter we are all human at the end of the day. we are all human at the end of the da . g . ~ we are all human at the end of the da . g , ,, ~ . . we are all human at the end of the da. ,, a . , day. just like michaeljackson, 'ust like an , day. just like michaeljackson, 'ust like any. you fl day. just like michaeljackson, 'ust like any, you know, i day. just like michaeljackson, 'ust like any, you know, very, �* day. just like michaeljackson, 'ust like any, you know, very, very h day. just like michaeljackson, just like any, you know, very, very richj like any, you know, very, very rich family. _ like any, you know, very, very rich family. of— like any, you know, very, very rich family, of course they will be dysfunctional.— family, of course they will be dysfunctional. family, of course they will be d sfunctional. . . dysfunctional. keeping up with the kardashians. _ dysfunctional. keeping up with the kardashians. keeping _ dysfunctional. keeping up with the kardashians. keeping up— dysfunctional. keeping up with the kardashians. keeping up with - dysfunctional. keeping up with the kardashians. keeping up with the i kardashians. keeping up with the coronation! listen, suma, beyond the call of duty, it is about duty this morning, two great thoughts great thoughts from everyone, great

thoughts from everyone, great thoughts about, you see him as an uncle, and every family has its dysfunctional elements, like the kardashians. flan dysfunctional elements, like the kardashians.— dysfunctional elements, like the kardashians._ go | dysfunctional elements, like the i kardashians._ go on, kardashians. can i come in? go on, cuickl . i kardashians. can i come in? go on, quickly- i do — kardashians. can i come in? go on, quickly. i do agree _ kardashians. can i come in? go on, quickly. i do agree about _ kardashians. can i come in? go on, quickly. i do agree about the - kardashians. can i come in? go on, quickly. i do agree about the uncle | quickly. i do agree about the uncle sort of figure _ quickly. i do agree about the uncle sort of figure but _ quickly. i do agree about the uncle sort of figure but about _ quickly. i do agree about the uncle sort of figure but about the - quickly. i do agree about the uncle sort of figure but about the duty i sort of figure but about the duty and the — sort of figure but about the duty and the reason _ sort of figure but about the duty and the reason that _ sort of figure but about the duty and the reason that we - sort of figure but about the duty and the reason that we all- sort of figure but about the duty and the reason that we all are l and the reason that we all are dutiful— and the reason that we all are dutiful within _ and the reason that we all are dutiful within the _ and the reason that we all are dutiful within the armed - and the reason that we all are i dutiful within the armed forces, and the reason that we all are - dutiful within the armed forces, the air force, _ dutiful within the armed forces, the air force, navy. _ dutiful within the armed forces, the air force, navy, we _ dutiful within the armed forces, the air force, navy, we are _ dutiful within the armed forces, the air force, navy, we are one - dutiful within the armed forces, the air force, navy, we are one of- dutiful within the armed forces, the air force, navy, we are one of the. air force, navy, we are one of the strongest — air force, navy, we are one of the strongest military— air force, navy, we are one of the strongest military mites _ air force, navy, we are one of the. strongest military mites throughout the world, — strongest military mites throughout the world, and _ strongest military mites throughout the world, and i— strongest military mites throughout the world, and i think— strongest military mites throughout the world, and i think that- the world, and i think that protection _ the world, and i think that protection for— the world, and i think that. protection for commonwealth countries, _ protection for commonwealth countries, where _ protection for commonwealth countries, where you've - protection for commonwealth countries, where you've got l protection for commonwealth . countries, where you've got the protection for commonwealth - countries, where you've got the big in the _ countries, where you've got the big in the playground _ countries, where you've got the big in the playground and _ countries, where you've got the big in the playground and the - countries, where you've got the big in the playground and the duty - countries, where you've got the big| in the playground and the duty of... if you _ in the playground and the duty of... if you were — in the playground and the duty of... if you were going _ in the playground and the duty of... if you were going to _ in the playground and the duty of... if you were going to take _ in the playground and the duty of... if you were going to take the - if you were going to take the monarchy— if you were going to take the monarchy away, _ if you were going to take the monarchy away, you - if you were going to take the monarchy away, you would l if you were going to take the i monarchy away, you would be if you were going to take the - monarchy away, you would be taking the backbone — monarchy away, you would be taking the backbone of— monarchy away, you would be taking the backbone of the _ monarchy away, you would be taking the backbone of the country, - monarchy away, you would be taking the backbone of the country, i- monarchy away, you would be taking the backbone of the country, i thinki the backbone of the country, i think that is— the backbone of the country, i think that is who — the backbone of the country, i think that is who we — the backbone of the country, i think that is who we are _ the backbone of the country, i think that is who we are as _ the backbone of the country, i think that is who we are as a _ the backbone of the country, i think that is who we are as a nation. - the backbone of the country, i think that is who we are as a nation. i- that is who we are as a nation. think in military terms nato that is who we are as a nation.“ think in military terms nato has perhaps superseded that. lstallion think in military terms nato has perhaps superseded that. when i run into a burning — perhaps superseded that. when i run into a burning building, _ perhaps superseded that. when i run into a burning building, it— perhaps superseded that. when i run into a burning building, it is- perhaps superseded that. when i run into a burning building, it is the - into a burning building, it is the fact that — into a burning building, it is the fact that i — into a burning building, it is the fact that i am _ into a burning building, it is the fact that i am doing _ into a burning building, it is the fact that i am doing it _ into a burning building, it is the fact that i am doing it to- into a burning building, it is the| fact that i am doing it to rescue, to save — fact that i am doing it to rescue, to save members _ fact that i am doing it to rescue, to save members of— fact that i am doing it to rescue, to save members of the - fact that i am doing it to rescue, to save members of the public, i fact that i am doing it to rescue, i to save members of the public, and i think— to save members of the public, and i think a _ to save members of the public, and i think a lot _ to save members of the public, and i

think a lot of— to save members of the public, and i think a lot of people _ to save members of the public, and i think a lot of people need _ to save members of the public, and i think a lot of people need to - think a lot of people need to realise — think a lot of people need to realise that, _ think a lot of people need to realise that, that _ think a lot of people need to realise that, that they- think a lot of people need to realise that, that they are i think a lot of people need to - realise that, that they are secure within— realise that, that they are secure within their— realise that, that they are secure within their own— realise that, that they are secure within their own world, _ realise that, that they are secure within their own world, because i within their own world, because they've — within their own world, because they've got _ within their own world, because they've got people _ within their own world, because they've got people who - within their own world, because they've got people who will - within their own world, because i they've got people who will protect them _ they've got people who will protect them and _ they've got people who will protect them and will — they've got people who will protect them and will lay— they've got people who will protect them and will lay their— they've got people who will protect them and will lay their lives - they've got people who will protect them and will lay their lives on - they've got people who will protect them and will lay their lives on the | them and will lay their lives on the line for— them and will lay their lives on the line for them, _ them and will lay their lives on the line forthem, i— them and will lay their lives on the line for them, ithink— them and will lay their lives on the line for them, i think that- them and will lay their lives on the line for them, i think that is- line for them, i think that is what the king — line for them, i think that is what the king represents, _ line for them, i think that is what the king represents, the - line for them, i think that is what the king represents, the duty- line for them, i think that is what| the king represents, the duty and the king represents, the duty and the fact— the king represents, the duty and the fact that — the king represents, the duty and the fact that we _ the king represents, the duty and the fact that we are _ the king represents, the duty and the fact that we are doing - the king represents, the duty and the fact that we are doing it - the king represents, the duty and the fact that we are doing it for. the king represents, the duty and the fact that we are doing it for al the fact that we are doing it for a bigger— the fact that we are doing it for a bigger cause~ _ the fact that we are doing it for a bigger cause-— bigger cause. and you have represented _ bigger cause. and you have represented duty _ bigger cause. and you have represented duty in - bigger cause. and you have represented duty in your i bigger cause. and you have i represented duty in your world bigger cause. and you have - represented duty in your world and i think the whole world will want to thank you for that, the bravery that you have shown as you've been doing yourjob, we are all so grateful. i want a last word just in this half, and i know i am running a little bit late, but a very quick one, interesting, elizabeth norton, keeping up with the kardashians, you know, the dysfunctionality of the family, what a family to grow up in, in so many ways, elizabeth? absolutely, i love the reference to the kardashians, it's absolutely... not as— the kardashians, it's absolutely... not as much as i did! it is brilliant — not as much as i did! it is brilliant on _ not as much as i did! it is brilliant on so _ not as much as i did! it is brilliant on so many - not as much as i did! it is. brilliant on so many levels. not as much as i did! it is brilliant on so many levels. for charles, — brilliant on so many levels. for charles, we all know that his childhood was not easy. 0f

charles, we all know that his childhood was not easy. of course, he was _ childhood was not easy. of course, he was a _ childhood was not easy. of course, he was a prince, he was the heir to the throne, — he was a prince, he was the heir to the throne, but he does seem to have had a _ the throne, but he does seem to have had a tricky— the throne, but he does seem to have had a tricky relationship particularly when his father, his parents — particularly when his father, his parents were quite absent in his early— parents were quite absent in his early childhood and of course he has always _ early childhood and of course he has always grown up in the shadow of the throne _ always grown up in the shadow of the throne he _ always grown up in the shadow of the throne. he has been prince of wales for years— throne. he has been prince of wales for years and years and years, hearly— for years and years and years, nearly 70 _ for years and years and years, nearly 70 years, of course, 70 years — nearly 70 years, of course, 70 years so. _ nearly 70 years, of course, 70 years so. it— nearly 70 years, of course, 70 years. so, it was a difficult family for him _ years. so, it was a difficult family for him to— years. so, it was a difficult family for him to grow up in and i think in marry— for him to grow up in and i think in many respects there were failings in charles' _ many respects there were failings in charles' role as a father, and we can see — charles' role as a father, and we can see that— charles' role as a father, and we can see that perhaps with harry now, and his— can see that perhaps with harry now, and his relationship, but in some respects— and his relationship, but in some respects he — and his relationship, but in some respects he has not had what we would _ respects he has not had what we would see — respects he has not had what we would see as a normal upbringing himself. — would see as a normal upbringing himself, and that is a factor of the royal— himself, and that is a factor of the royal family going back centuries, they are _ royal family going back centuries, they are always very, very set apart, — they are always very, very set apart. very— they are always very, very set apart, very different. i mean, queen victoria's _ apart, very different. i mean, queen victoria's daughter famously married the sorr— victoria's daughter famously married the son of— victoria's daughter famously married the son of a — victoria's daughter famously married the son of a duke and queen victoria actually— the son of a duke and queen victoria actually said, they will treat him as a member of the family in private but not _ as a member of the family in private but hot in _ as a member of the family in private but not in public because he is not royal _ but not in public because he is not royal ahd — but not in public because he is not royal. and that is the son of a duke — royal. and that is the son of a duke so. _ royal. and that is the son of a duke~ so. it— royal. and that is the son of a

duke. so, it is a rarefied lace really— duke. so, it is a rarefied lace really to— duke. so, it is a rarefied lace really to be in, the royal family. thank— really to be in, the royal family. thank you — really to be in, the royal family. thank you everybody so far, more to come, will he be a good king? what do you think? get in touch. it is 9.35. and here is the news, from dan brennan. thank you, nicky, good morning. the ukrainian capital, kyiv, has been attacked by airstrikes for the fourth time in a week, with reports of several loud explosions overnight. yesterday, ukraine rejected russian allegations that their forces tried to assassinate president putin with a drone strike on the kremlin. israeli security forces say they've killed two palestinian gunmen, who shot dead a british—israeli woman and her two daughters in the occupied west bank last month. a third militant who allegedly helped the two gunmen has also been killed during the raid. four former employees of police scotland have told bbc newsnight that women are scared to speak up about harassment and bullying within its ranks.

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celebrate the coronation with us on bbc one and iplayer. yes, peerless coverage on the bbc, as you know, well, it won't be peerless, there will be a lot of peers there, but you know what i mean! coming up after ten... from coronation to relegation... surviving the drop. the race to beat relegation, particularly tight this season. there is massive money involved in all of this. 12th placed chelsea, still mathematically at risk. huge

clubs floating near the bottom, if amy put it graphically. southampton, everton, nottingham forest, leeds, leicester, leicester who won the league in 2016. those are the bottom five places. oldham, blackburn, blackpool, middlesborough, sunderland... if you are a fan of a club which has been through the nightmare of relegation, how did it go? was it better to be in a lower league, more in your comfort zone, then getting beaten every week? sometimes they go down, they spend a lot of money to get up, they don't get up again, and thenit get up, they don't get up again, and then it is a downward spiral. so, what do you think? we are talking about the relegation game and how it has affected you and your thoughts on it, and you will have many. that

is at ten o'clock. right now it is 9.40. so, coming up, we are talking about, will he be a good king? we are talking about king charles. he was prince charles for so long! the coronation, as you probably know, is on saturday. we will be right with you in clydebank, carine, and sian in hull. first i want to speak to tom bower, royal biographer, i read your book about prince charles, tom, it was really interesting and enlightening and it was a peek into a very different world, what are your thoughts about the carolean

era, tomic? hi. your thoughts about the carolean era. tomic?— your thoughts about the carolean era, tomic? , . . era, tomic? hi, my book about prince charles, era, tomic? hi, my book about prince charles. as — era, tomic? hi, my book about prince charles. as he — era, tomic? hi, my book about prince charles, as he then _ era, tomic? hi, my book about prince charles, as he then was, _ era, tomic? hi, my book about prince charles, as he then was, was - era, tomic? hi, my book about prince charles, as he then was, was very - charles, as he then was, was very critical of him and a self—indulgent and a very diff got mine. but i think now we have got to put all that to the past. as a monarchist, and 70% of this country does believe in the monarchy, we have got to hope that he has changed. i think he changed a lot after my book exposed all his weaknesses and problems. and he became... you all his weaknesses and problems. and he became- - -— he became... you changed because of our he became... you changed because of your book. — he became... you changed because of your book. tom? _ he became... you changed because of your book, tom? my _ he became. .. you changed because of your book, tom? my view— he became... you changed because of your book, tom? my view is, - he became... you changed because of your book, tom? my view is, he - he became... you changed because of your book, tom? my view is, he did. i your book, tom? my view is, he did. he stopped — your book, tom? my view is, he did. he stopped a — your book, tom? my view is, he did. he stopped a lot _ your book, tom? my view is, he did. he stopped a lot of _ your book, tom? my view is, he did. he stopped a lot of the _ your book, tom? my view is, he did. he stopped a lot of the luxury, - your book, tom? my view is, he did. he stopped a lot of the luxury, he i he stopped a lot of the luxury, he stopped a lot of the interference, he stopped a lot of the self—indulgence. and i think he has become in the last few years very, very sober and much more thoughtful in appearance, and my view is that if you are a monarchist, you hope that the king will be a great success. i think so far he has done

very well. obviously after his mother died, there was a very good address to the country, his visit to germany a few weeks ago was a great success. much will depend on the coronation, the mood that will be generated on saturday. because if it is a modern ceremony but nevertheless has got a lot of tradition and it sort of gives the image of a man who wants to represent britain, who wants to be part of a modern, constructive britain, then i think that his reign will begin on the right foot. much depends on the ceremony and the mood he creates, and that has been something he has been 20 years planning. so, we will see. yes. something he has been 20 years planning. so, we will see. yes, more on that. planning. so, we will see. yes, more on that- but — planning. so, we will see. yes, more on that. butjust _ planning. so, we will see. yes, more on that. butjust give _ planning. so, we will see. yes, more on that. butjust give us _ planning. so, we will see. yes, more on that. butjust give us an _ planning. so, we will see. yes, more on that. butjust give us an idea - planning. so, we will see. yes, more on that. butjust give us an idea of. on that. butjust give us an idea of the man as he was before your book came out, and after your book you said he changed, so maybe we can infer that he read your book, that is what i am getting, but tell us

about some of the self—indulgence, what would we now find most uncomfortable about the way he was? he would travel in great style, he would literally, when he visited somebody in the north of england, he would have a whole load of his possessions would arrive the day before, two days before, with his bed and linen, toilet paper, everything, water, the lot. he was very, very political to. his everything, water, the lot. he was very, very political to.— very, very politicalto. his own loo --aer? very, very politicalto. his own loo paper? yes. _ very, very politicalto. his own loo paper? yes. he — very, very politicalto. his own loo paper? yes, he did, _ very, very politicalto. his own loo paper? yes, he did, and - very, very politicalto. his own loo paper? yes, he did, and his- very, very politicalto. his own loo paper? yes, he did, and his own l paper? yes, he did, and his own water. paper? yes, he did, and his own water- and _ paper? yes, he did, and his own water. and his _ paper? yes, he did, and his own water. and his own _ paper? yes, he did, and his own water. and his own food, - paper? yes, he did, and his own water. and his own food, very i paper? yes, he did, and his own - water. and his own food, very often. —— very pernickety. he would travel very often in private jets where it was perfectly ok to go on british airways. he would, for example there was an extraordinary story about when he once came back from the opera and the kitchen had left out some food for him and he went out to look for it and suddenly there was this huge screen and camilla ran into the dining room and discovered

him pointing at something and said what is this? and she said, darling, that's clingfilm. he hadn't seen it before. ., ., , ., that's clingfilm. he hadn't seen it before. ., ., 4' ., that's clingfilm. he hadn't seen it before. ., ., ,, ., from before. how do you know this? from an eyewitness. _ before. how do you know this? from an eyewitness, someone _ before. how do you know this? from an eyewitness, someone who - before. how do you know this? from an eyewitness, someone who was i an eyewitness, someone who was there. �* . an eyewitness, someone who was there. . , . , there. and is it true about somebody else to squeeze _ there. and is it true about somebody else to squeeze his _ there. and is it true about somebody else to squeeze his toothpaste - there. and is it true about somebody else to squeeze his toothpaste onto l else to squeeze his toothpaste onto his toothbrush for him? well. else to squeeze his toothpaste onto his toothbrush for him?— his toothbrush for him? well, there is no doubt — his toothbrush for him? well, there is no doubt that _ his toothbrush for him? well, there is no doubt that michael— his toothbrush for him? well, there is no doubt that michael fawcett, . is no doubt that michael fawcett, who was until recently his closest aide, did that, but that was because he had broken his arm i think in a polo accident. but michael fawcett, of course, ran the most astonishing, indulgent regime, when charles travelled even to hong kong, brought his own china and glass. and of course, charles, his fundraising for his charities, it was very controversial, where he effectively sold access to himself, and that well—known, established incident where a middle eastern tycoon gave

him bags filled with 500 euros notes for his charity, it was very controversial. so i think all of that was exposed in my book, and that was exposed in my book, and that has now ended, he has now become a far more self disciplined and far more careful person, who he meets and how he finances his charities. ~ . . meets and how he finances his charities. ~ . , ., meets and how he finances his charities. ~ . , . it charities. what is a good king? it is someone _ charities. what is a good king? it is someone who _ charities. what is a good king? it is someone who listens, - charities. what is a good king? it is someone who listens, who - is someone who listens, who represents, who in the end reflects the best of his country and helps his country. i think what charles has to his credit is that he has, as one of your previous contributors said, he has been and will remain an enormous activist, through the prince's trust, he's helped thousands of disadvantaged children, he has visited hospices and hospitals and schools and on every visit he shows real interest in what the people there are going through of course he has been a terrific environment and, very interested in

architecture, he's saved a lot of people from having to live in dreadful rabbit hutch is by demanding that architects and councils build homes which are fit to live in. and i think that doing good, being seen to represent the underprivileged, but also the needs of the whole culture of music, theatre, the arts and everything, which charles has done, and he will continue to do, and in that sense, he represents the best of britain. and that is something which a politician can never do, because we always know that politicians are anxious for votes, they want to be elected, whereas the king and the royal family is just here for service, to reassure people, when they open a hall or visit a school, they open a hall or visit a school, they can reassure people that they are doing the best they can and praise them for it, and that is something which is unique, which only a royal family can do.-

only a royal family can do. well, thank ou only a royal family can do. well, thank you for— only a royal family can do. well, thank you for your _ only a royal family can do. well, thank you for your service - only a royal family can do. well, thank you for your service in - thank you for your service in writing that book and concentrating his mind on change. you very much, tom bowen. and knapper the other things that he said, controversial things that he said, controversial things in the past, referring to the chinese leadership is ghastly old waxworks, and then he was very critical of modern architecture. —— tom bower. referring to monstrous carbuncles. sian in hull, michael in doncaster. and carine in clydebank, hopefully you are all there. morning. hopefully you are all there. morning-— hopefully you are all there. l morning.- morning. hopefully you are all there. - morning.- morning. carine, morning. morning. morning. carine, what do you — morning. morning. morning. carine, what do you think, _ morning. morning. morning. carine, what do you think, will _ morning. morning. morning. carine, what do you think, will he _ morning. morning. morning. carine, what do you think, will he make - morning. morning. morning. carine, what do you think, will he make a i what do you think, will he make a good king? i what do you think, will he make a good king?— what do you think, will he make a good king? i think he's 'ust out of touch. i good king? i think he's 'ust out of touch. ”mi good king? i think he's 'ust out of touch. ijust feel_ good king? i think he's 'ust out of touch. i just feel that _ good king? i think he'sjust out of touch. i just feel that william - touch. i just feel that william would probably be better to take over. charlesjust would probably be better to take over. charles just seems very unapproachable and william is just younger generation, and just seems

to listen more. younger generation, and 'ust seems to listen moat to listen more. what is it about prince charles _ to listen more. what is it about prince charles that _ to listen more. what is it about prince charles that you - to listen more. what is it about prince charles that you think i to listen more. what is it about - prince charles that you think makes him unapproachable? because we had a corner on earlier on who described him as a kind of avuncularfigure, she felt like he was an uncle, it was suma in luton who said that, why is it different for you? i was suma in luton who said that, why is it different for you?— is it different for you? i don't know, is it different for you? i don't know. he's — is it different for you? i don't know, he'sjust _ is it different for you? i don't know, he'sjust too - is it different for you? i don't know, he'sjust too elusive, l is it different for you? i don't l know, he'sjust too elusive, he doesn't ever seem to sort of relax. and enjoy himself.— doesn't ever seem to sort of relax. and enjoy himself. and en'oy himself. what would you like to and enjoy himself. what would you like to see him _ and enjoy himself. what would you like to see him do? _ and enjoy himself. what would you like to see him do? i _ and enjoy himself. what would you like to see him do? ithink- and enjoy himself. what would you like to see him do? i think when i like to see him do? i think when ou're like to see him do? i think when you're out _ like to see him do? i think when you're out in _ like to see him do? i think when you're out in the _ like to see him do? i think when you're out in the public, - like to see him do? i think when you're out in the public, i- like to see him do? i think when you're out in the public, i knowl you're out in the public, i know that he speaks to people and he goes to some of the more poverty stricken areas and things like that, but he strikes me as the type of person that would go and have his dinner after that and by the next day, they're after that and by the next day, they�* re forgotten after that and by the next day, they're forgotten about. 50. after that and by the next day, they're forgotten about. so, and scotland's _ they're forgotten about. so, and scotland's support _ they're forgotten about. so, and scotland's support for _ they're forgotten about. so, and scotland's support for the - they're forgotten about. so, and - scotland's support for the monarchy is the lowest compared to anywhere

else in the uk, it is about 35%, support for the monarchy, what are your friends say about it all in clydebank, not farfrom glasgow, clydebank, not far from glasgow, your clydebank, not farfrom glasgow, your cycle of friends, people you meet, what do they think? i think uuite a lot meet, what do they think? i think quite a lot of— meet, what do they think? i think quite a lot of my _ meet, what do they think? i think quite a lot of my friends - meet, what do they think? i think quite a lot of my friendsjust - meet, what do they think? i think quite a lot of my friends just that | quite a lot of my friends just that the monarchy is a thing of the past. i mean, i like the royal family and i mean, i like the royal family and i love to watch the things that they do, but at the same time, i do think it is dated now, i think it is just dated. it is dated now, i think it is 'ust dated. . ~ it is dated now, i think it is 'ust dated. . ,, , ., ., . dated. 0k, thank you for that. michael and _ dated. 0k, thank you for that. michael and sian _ dated. 0k, thank you for that. michael and sian in _ dated. 0k, thank you for that. michael and sian in a - dated. 0k, thank you for that. michael and sian in a second, | michael and sian in a second, respond to charlie in south—east london, interesting thoughts there from clydebank, charlie in south—east london, other end of the country, 26 years old, i believe, what does this mean to you, what do you think of prince charles, charlie?! you think of prince charles, charlie? i— you think of prince charles, charlie?! ~ . charlie?! well, i mean, king charles. _ charlie?! well, i mean, king charles. as _ charlie?! well, i mean, king charles, as you _ charlie?! well, i mean, king charles, as you were - charlie?! well, i mean, king. charles, as you were saying...

charlie?! well, i mean, king- charles, as you were saying... 0h, es, charles, as you were saying... oh, yes. there — charles, as you were saying... oh, yes. there we _ charles, as you were saying... oh, yes, there we are! _ charles, as you were saying... oh, yes, there we are! it _ charles, as you were saying... oh, yes, there we are! it is _ charles, as you were saying... oi yes, there we are! it is the charles, as you were saying... oi, yes, there we are! it is the reflex, this is 60... i am not going to say how old i am, years of conditioning, all of a sudden he's changed his name! i apologise unreservedly to king charles. what do you think, charlie on charles? i king charles. what do you think, charlie on charles?— charlie on charles? i really hope he's a good _ charlie on charles? i really hope he's a good king _ charlie on charles? i really hope he's a good king but _ charlie on charles? i really hope he's a good king but i _ charlie on charles? i really hope he's a good king but i wonder i charlie on charles? i really hope i he's a good king but i wonder really what being — he's a good king but i wonder really what being a good king can be in this day— what being a good king can be in this day and age. i mean it is not like 200 — this day and age. i mean it is not like 200 years ago when a king actually— like 200 years ago when a king actually had some sort of power. and now he _ actually had some sort of power. and now he doesn't really have any power — now he doesn't really have any power we _ now he doesn't really have any power. we spend all this money on them _ power. we spend all this money on them and _ power. we spend all this money on them and they can do the grandstanding and they can have these _ grandstanding and they can have these lovely ceremonies which are beautiful— these lovely ceremonies which are beautiful and are extravagant and really _ beautiful and are extravagant and really show off to the world but there _ really show off to the world but there is — really show off to the world but there is not much you can actually do to— there is not much you can actually do to change the day—to—day of all of our— do to change the day—to—day of all of our lives — do to change the day—to—day of all of our lives. —— he can actually do. and _ of our lives. —— he can actually do. and i— of our lives. —— he can actually do. and i wonder— of our lives. —— he can actually do. and i wonder what the point of all of that— and i wonder what the point of all of that is — and i wonder what the point of all of that is i— and i wonder what the point of all of that is. i would love it if as i said _ of that is. i would love it if as i said in— of that is. i would love it if as i

said in my— of that is. i would love it if as i said in my text if on saturday he made _ said in my text if on saturday he made a — said in my text if on saturday he made a speech to the people and actually— made a speech to the people and actually made some sort of real, genuine. — actually made some sort of real, genuine, widespread national change and i know— genuine, widespread national change and i know that gets political and all that— and i know that gets political and all that kind of thing, but what else are — all that kind of thing, but what else are they doing? i think i said in my— else are they doing? i think i said in my text. — else are they doing? i think i said in my text, if he could say, there will be _ in my text, if he could say, there will be no — in my text, if he could say, there will be no more homeless people on the streets — will be no more homeless people on the streets of london, or on the streets — the streets of london, or on the streets of— the streets of london, or on the streets of the united kingdom, because — streets of the united kingdom, because the royal coffers will pay for it. _ because the royal coffers will pay for it. i— because the royal coffers will pay for it, i think that would be the start— for it, i think that would be the start of— for it, i think that would be the start of a — for it, i think that would be the start of a good king, or if he said, i don't _ start of a good king, or if he said, i don't know. _ start of a good king, or if he said, i don't know, that we are going to cease _ i don't know, that we are going to cease to _ i don't know, that we are going to cease to use fossil fuels by 2030, because _ cease to use fossil fuels by 2030, because of— cease to use fossil fuels by 2030, because of all of our money is going to go— because of all of our money is going to go to _ because of all of our money is going to go to that, i think that would be the start of— to go to that, i think that would be the start of a good king. he to go to that, i think that would be the start of a good king.— the start of a good king. he is not allowed to — the start of a good king. he is not allowed to stray _ the start of a good king. he is not allowed to stray into _ the start of a good king. he is not allowed to stray into that - the start of a good king. he is not allowed to stray into that stuff, i allowed to stray into that stuff, charlie. �* , allowed to stray into that stuff, charlie._ because - allowed to stray into that stuff, charlie._ because that allowed to stray into that stuff, i charlie._ because that is charlie. but why? because that is the convention. _ charlie. but why? because that is the convention. a _ charlie. but why? because that is the convention. a convention - charlie. but why? because that isj the convention. a convention that was started _ the convention. a convention that was started by — the convention. a convention that was started by queen _ the convention. a convention that was started by queen elizabeth i the convention. a convention that. was started by queen elizabeth but not any— was started by queen elizabeth but not any other monarchs. i don't know _ not any other monarchs. i don't know i— not any other monarchs. i don't know i then— not any other monarchs. i don't know. i then start to think what the

point _ know. i then start to think what the point of— know. i then start to think what the point of a _ know. i then start to think what the point of a monarchy is if they can't do that, _ point of a monarchy is if they can't do that, you — point of a monarchy is if they can't do that, you know?— point of a monarchy is if they can't do that, you know? what when you see him, when do that, you know? what when you see him. when you — do that, you know? what when you see him, when you hear— do that, you know? what when you see him, when you hear him _ do that, you know? what when you see him, when you hear him speak, - do that, you know? what when you see him, when you hear him speak, what i him, when you hear him speak, what do you think? i him, when you hear him speak, what do you think?— do you think? i mean, i think him doinu do you think? i mean, i think him doin: the do you think? i mean, i think him doing the shakespeare _ do you think? i mean, i think him doing the shakespeare thing - do you think? i mean, i think him doing the shakespeare thing for l do you think? i mean, i think him i doing the shakespeare thing for the 400th— doing the shakespeare thing for the 400th anniversary of shakespeare was brilliant, _ 400th anniversary of shakespeare was brilliant, i— 400th anniversary of shakespeare was brilliant, i think he is a great speaker, _ brilliant, i think he is a great speaker, a great orator. i think he does _ speaker, a great orator. i think he does know— speaker, a great orator. i think he does know what the country wants, but whether or not he can do that, whether— but whether or not he can do that, whether or— but whether or not he can do that, whether or not he can actually try and push — whether or not he can actually try and push for those things, is what i am unsure — and push for those things, is what i am unsure of. and push for those things, is what i am unsure of-_ and push for those things, is what i am unsure of-— am unsure of. that is interesting. i will be with — am unsure of. that is interesting. i will be with everybody, _ am unsure of. that is interesting. i will be with everybody, don't - am unsure of. that is interesting. i | will be with everybody, don't worry. i am going tojoe, his own who is around about your age. let me ask you the question again, will he make a good king?— a good king? hello, yes, thank you for havin: a good king? hello, yes, thank you for having me _ a good king? hello, yes, thank you for having me on. _ a good king? hello, yes, thank you for having me on. i— a good king? hello, yes, thank you for having me on. ithink— a good king? hello, yes, thank you for having me on. i think he - a good king? hello, yes, thank you for having me on. i think he will. for having me on. i think he will make a good king. i was at the

platinumjubilee, one make a good king. i was at the platinum jubilee, one of the queen's platinum jubilee, one of the queen's platinum champions, and we had the platinum champions, and we had the platinum party and king charles and queen camilla, now king charles and queen camilla, now king charles and queen camilla, now king charles and queen camilla, were there, and he's very personable, approachable, and he is a people person, and he has a laugh. and i think that's what people want. i think if we could change the convention and just have the monarchy running the country, instead of politicians, and then all that scandal kind of goes away, i think that would be a great thing. and actually it would bring back... what, the monarchy runs the country? yes, i think if they had more of a say in how things were done, i think that would be good. it's just, say in how things were done, i think that would be good. it'sjust, we have a monarchy and we see them doing good but i think actually having more of them saying what should be happening and maybe more control over the politicians, that

in terms of being a good king, we see him out and about, and he is a people person and low but the essence of democracy is that you can get rid of people if you don't like what they're doing, we would not be able to get rid of him, he would have a disproportionate influence in the political process, i put it to you that that is outrageous, joe? no, i see that point. but we need maybe more working together with politicians, because the monarch are higher up than politicians cover but it does seem that... what higher up than politicians cover but it does seem that. . ._ higher up than politicians cover but it does seem that... what does that mean, it does seem that... what does that mean. the — it does seem that... what does that mean, the monarchy _ it does seem that... what does that mean, the monarchy is _ it does seem that. .. what does that mean, the monarchy is higher- it does seem that... what does that mean, the monarchy is higher up i it does seem that... what does that i mean, the monarchy is higher up than politicians only in terms of power, the monarch, you know, we see them as a higher influence in terms of politicians. do you know what, charlie in south—east london, not a great fan yourself, obviously a

massive fan, you're not saying dissimilar things, you're both saying maybe he should be able to do more and say more. what do you think michael in doncaster? good morning. good morning. well, what do i think regarding the same? well, i am sure he does, but not where the public is. he obviously meets very, very influential people, or tissues, business people, constantly representing the country, so, he does a lot of good that people don't realise actually.— realise actually. have you met him because l'm _ realise actually. have you met him because i'm believe _ realise actually. have you met him because i'm believe i'm _ realise actually. have you met him because i'm believe i'm being - realise actually. have you met him because i'm believe i'm being told| because i'm believe i'm being told you are an ex yeomen of the guard, have you met charles and also camilla? . , ., . . camilla? charles, not camilla, the queen and — camilla? charles, not camilla, the queen and the _ camilla? charles, not camilla, the queen and the late duke, - camilla? charles, not camilla, the| queen and the late duke, god rest

his soul. as a yeomen, we would dine... so, quite an experience, actually. i dine... so, quite an experience, actuall . ., . . . actually. i would imagine. what impression _ actually. i would imagine. what impression did _ actually. i would imagine. what impression did you _ actually. i would imagine. what impression did you get - actually. i would imagine. what impression did you get about i actually. i would imagine. what. impression did you get about him when you met him? by, impression did you get about him when you met him?— impression did you get about him when you met him? a very likeable man. when you met him? a very likeable man- very — when you met him? a very likeable man. very knowledgeable. - when you met him? a very likeable man. very knowledgeable. he... i when you met him? a very likeable man. very knowledgeable. he... ll man. very knowledgeable. he... i think he's a great ambassador for the country. he represents us in many different ways. he's very influential, he has many contacts, both at home and abroad. he's... i think his persona, he's a gentle

ti’per think his persona, he's a gentle type, although he's been through the mill, the schooling he had and his time in the forces. very knowledgeable man. why people seem to be against charles, and royalty as well, is beyond me, because they're the safeguard for us and why i say this, the people that want us to become a republic, you've only got to look at scotland and the snp, how they've fallen apart... we got to look at scotland and the snp, how they've fallen apart. . ._ how they've fallen apart... we will see what happens _ how they've fallen apart... we will see what happens in _ how they've fallen apart... we will see what happens in years - how they've fallen apart... we will see what happens in years to - how they've fallen apart... we will. see what happens in years to come. i've really enjoyed listening to your points, and also your own experience as a yeomen of the guard. can't thank you enough for getting in touch with us. and sian in amber, have we got time for you? good

mornina! have we got time for you? good morning! always _ have we got time for you? good morning! always got _ have we got time for you? good morning! always got time - have we got time for you? good morning! always got time for i have we got time for you? good i morning! always got time for you, sian! i do morning! always got time for you, sian! i do give _ morning! always got time for you, sian! i do give you _ morning! always got time for you, sian! i do give you a _ morning! always got time for you, sian! i do give you a minute! - sian! i do give you a minute! manifesto for this man, go on! i love our king scan? i think he's had a tough upbringing, he's our sovereign, icon, he represents the sovereignty of our nation. who on earth would be king or queen if they are not born in the royal family? it's a toughjob, are not born in the royal family? it's a tough job, he's are not born in the royal family? it's a toughjob, he's been moulded for it by a wonderful, wonderful mentor, the late queen elizabeth, our wonderful queen. mentor, the late queen elizabeth, ourwonderful queen. if mentor, the late queen elizabeth, our wonderful queen. if he can't be a good king, he's compassionate, he's poetic, he's full of nature, he wants to change things for the better. maybe he was a little bit arrogant when he was young but he was in a closeted world, a royal world, if you could say a royal closet, and finally he has come out and he's matured, he went through a bad marriage, he's found his soulmate and i think he's stepping up soulmate and i think he's stepping up to the task of being a good, king, kind, compassionate, why

division... king, kind, compassionate, why division---_ division... your time is up! you should go _ division... your time is up! you should go on — division... your time is up! you should go on that _ division... your time is up! you should go on that programme l division... your time is up! you i should go on that programme just division... your time is up! you - should go on that programme just a should go on that programmejust a minute. that was incredible! the only repetition was closet! it was fantastic! rx what? you are a rx maniac, that was incredible! where is prince andrew? he has been relegated, not sitting at the front, i don't think. talking of relegation... from coronation to relegation... from coronation to relegation. forsome relegation... from coronation to relegation. for some people as we just heard, the monarchy is the heart of their lives. they believe in it and love and cherish it, is so important to them. football, for others, i tell you. important to them. football, for others, itell you. and relegation, what a blow. leeds have brought in big sam to try to save them from relegation.

he isa he is a character. he knows his football. he was saying as much yesterday. he is the kind of harry houdini for them to save them from relegation. they're one of a handful of big clubs staring down the barrell of relegation this season. southampton, everton, nottingham forest, and leicester — leicester, who won the league in 2016 — make up the rest of the botom five places in the league. southampton, fine pedigree. everton, low, as lionel richie would say, he met the king yesterday. nottingham forest, european champions of the past. could we see another giant go down? a sleeping giantsleeping giants in the other divisions but sometimes when a sleeping giant is felt it does not get up again. blackburn, middlesbrough, sunderland yet to return after long stints at

the top. blackpool, great club. blackburn, alan shearer�*s record was beaten last night when it comes to goal—scoring. rememberwhen beaten last night when it comes to goal—scoring. remember when alan shearer and chris sutton, five live's finest, on the front line for blackburn rovers and playing so brilliantly. how times change but they do. if you are a fan of a club chasing relegation, how are you feeling facing the reality, the doom begins to loom? surviving the drop, maybe you've been there. get in touch. there've been more russian attacks on kyiv, a day after the kremlin

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some big clubs floating around near the bottom. thanks to everybody who contributed to the first ever. a mention of big sam other dice, let's do this now, leeds united unveiled, the word they always use, unveiled their new manager yesterday, sam allardyce, relegation survival specialist. he is confident, that he can mix it with the big boys. the football club _ can mix it with the big boys. tie: football club chooses which can mix it with the big boys. ii9: football club chooses which way wants to go on far too many people think i am old and antiquated, and old fight so far from the truth, i may be 68 and look call but there is nobody ahead of me in football

terms. not pep, notjurgen klopp, not arteta. so it is all there with me. :, , , :, . not arteta. so it is all there with me. :, ,, :, me. not pep, notjurgen klopp, not arteta, a touch — me. not pep, notjurgen klopp, not arteta, a touch of— me. not pep, notjurgen klopp, not arteta, a touch of muhammad - me. not pep, notjurgen klopp, not arteta, a touch of muhammad ali i arteta, a touch of muhammad ali about that. they brought to men, he's done it before, rescued cops before, but what position, for any club to be in, what a position for the fans of any club to be in. in the fans of any club to be in. in the modern money money money game it is massive relegation. i know there is massive relegation. i know there is a partnership payment but it's tough getting back up to the top flight again. tough getting back up to the top flight again-— flight again. leads are a perfect examle, flight again. leads are a perfect example. look— flight again. leads are a perfect example, look how _ flight again. leads are a perfect example, look how long - flight again. leads are a perfect example, look how long they i flight again. leads are a perfect i example, look how long they had flight again. leads are a perfect - example, look how long they had to stay out of the top flight, they were under david o'leary, never finished outside the top five, reach the champions league semifinals in 2001 but financially in big trouble, relegated in 2004 and was not until

2020, in the midst of the pandemic, that that was a huge celebration, i remember interviewing ricky wilson from the kaizer chiefs and it was a huge celebration. two seasons later they have that initial bounce, as we often see teams do, finish with inside the top ten, the iconic visionary of football in charge, now they have gone to sam allardyce, you would say that is quite a u—turn. he has done it before, we'll probably do it again, even pep guardiola after the game yesterday agreeing with sam allardyce that he is up there in terms of footballing management and his skill, his breadth of knowledge, but looking at the table in front of me, leeds united, as we've said multiple times over the last few days, 30 points, they are sitting just above the drop zone on goal difference alone. the goal difference is significant compared nottingham forest, one below 1—32,

compared nottingham forest, one below1—32, everton compared nottingham forest, one below 1—32, everton —25, compared nottingham forest, one below1—32, everton —25, roughly compared nottingham forest, one below 1—32, everton —25, roughly by the same but you look at the games coming up, manchester city, going to the champions on saturday and some halliday is already talking the main games, will fire up his players —— sam alla rdyce games, will fire up his players —— sam allardyce talking mind games. newcastle flying in the race for top four. a massive task on his hands. his percentage, if you look at it roughly, when he takes on a team they get to about 30% wins for his tenure. when you look at leeds, four games left to go, perhaps 11 might be enough but the implications will be enough but the implications will be massive going back down to the championship. abs, be massive going back down to the championship-— championship. a start, that. leeds united, championship. a start, that. leeds united. very _ championship. a start, that. leeds united. very good _ championship. a start, that. leeds united, very good example - championship. a start, that. leeds united, very good example of - championship. a start, that. leeds united, very good example of a i united, very good example of a sleeping giant. i think it was the knockout stages but made the semifinals, i don't think they were leaks back then, but they made groups, made the semifinals effectively of the champions league, before that, when i grew up, when

you were not even a twinkle in anyone's i, when i grew up, leeds united wired like one of the teams and i loved them because they had so many scottish internationals back then, the grey brothers, frankie gray, eddie gray, david harvey, billy bremner, peter lorimer, the great, and others, alan clark, fantastic england players, fantastic players, fantastic team, donleavy, legendary coach and then everything changed, the nature of football. we have a leeds fan here, andrew and selby and ciaran maguire, football finance expert. nobody is bombproof in this game. andrew, you are too young to remember the good old days but what about the sam allardyce either upon you?— either upon you? thank you for sa in: either upon you? thank you for saying l'm _ either upon you? thank you for saying l'm too _ either upon you? thank you for saying i'm too young _ either upon you? thank you for saying i'm too young because i either upon you? thank you for i saying i'm too young because my first game was 1972, so, yes, tears

in my eyes when you are referring to those players just mentioned, in my eyes when you are referring to those playersjust mentioned, billy bremner etc, where do you start? where do you finish? hopefully we stay up, but i think before big sam's appointment, i don't think there is many leeds fans that were very hopeful about getting another point, to be honest. i was impressed with big sam's interview yesterday because i think wily old fox taking the pressure of the players and put it all on him, with the headlines about him being as good asjurgen klopp and pep guardiola, he will have to make those words stick. i think our chances of staying up are slim but we are still not in the bottom three, our last two games against west ham and tottenham, big chance of getting the four points that i think we need. the game at

manchester city, of course girling harland was born in leeds and i'm just hoping he remembers that on saturday when he is playing against us. subconsciously, yes. football clubs, so us. subconsciously, yes. football clubs. so many — us. subconsciously, yes. football clubs, so many people's - us. subconsciously, yes. football clubs, so many people's lives - us. subconsciously, yes. football| clubs, so many people's lives and this is the relegation, the ultimate rejection, a failure, being at the bottom of the heap and jettisoned. how will you feel if it happens? it hurts but you still go. do - how will you feel if it happens? it hurts but you still go. do you? i how will you feel if it happens? it. hurts but you still go. do you? the last 20 years _ hurts but you still go. do you? the last 20 years has _ hurts but you still go. do you? the last 20 years has been _ hurts but you still go. do you? the last 20 years has been more - hurts but you still go. do you? the | last 20 years has been more downs than ups, but you still go every year, we still go home and away, so there is so much negativity about... the chairman living the dream. how much does it hurt? it the chairman living the dream. how much does it hurt?— much does it hurt? it ruins the weekend class _ much does it hurt? it ruins the weekend class -- _ much does it hurt? it ruins the weekend class -- if _

much does it hurt? it ruins the weekend class -- if you - much does it hurt? it ruins the weekend class -- if you are i much does it hurt? it ruins the - weekend class -- if you are wedded weekend class —— if you are wedded to a football club, it doesn't matter who it is, that performance on the weekend dictates your mood for the rest of the weekend. if you get relegated, you come in for some stake but come august you'll be going online for the tickets, you'll be back there, is the hope that kills you. it be back there, is the hope that kills ou. , , , ., kills you. it springs eternal. katie, another _ kills you. it springs eternal. katie, another point, - kills you. it springs eternal. i katie, another point, chelsea, kills you. it springs eternal. - katie, another point, chelsea, they are any perilous position at the moment. a famous clash from the seventies, cup final. moment. a famous clash from the seventies, cupfinal. but moment. a famous clash from the seventies, cup final. but katie, still mathematically at risk, chelsea, that is extraordinary. �*izlh chelsea, that is extraordinary. 12th in the table, _ chelsea, that is extraordinary. 1211 in the table, they have lost the last four in a row since lampard took over have not won a match, scored just twice. they are run 39

points. if you look at the averages, since the start of the 2011—12 season, average points needed to stay up have roughly been around 35, only once in the last 11 years, 38 points has been needed. sitting around a slightly dangerous own, as you say. the way i've been calculating in my head, we are pursuing chelsea and bournemouth are pretty much safe and 39, but mathematically not quite there and clearly closer to the bottom half than they are at the top. it's all going wrong there and we know there is major? surround the ownership there are questions around bringing in lots of new players. they spent half a billion the season and it is totally ineffective so far at the club. you might see similar nottingham forest, we know steve cooper is reluctant to talk too much about that but 20 plus new players brought in for forest who were only promoted last season and they find themselves 30 points, eating in the relegation zone, have only won one

in the past five, is massive issues for them as well. we in the past five, is massive issues for them as well.— in the past five, is massive issues for them as well. we have matt jones from the blue — for them as well. we have matt jones from the blue room _ for them as well. we have matt jones from the blue room podcast - for them as well. we have matt jones from the blue room podcast about. from the blue room podcast about everton. and a mate midlands, midlands football writer, leicester city fan. james and loughborough, leicesterfan. and a city fan. james and loughborough, leicester fan. and a football finance expert. what does this mean to a club, keating? how much of a hit is going down? it is to a club, keating? how much of a hit is going down?— hit is going down? it is very significant. _ hit is going down? it is very significant. if _ hit is going down? it is very significant. if we _ hit is going down? it is very significant. if we take - hit is going down? it is very significant. if we take a - hit is going down? it is very| significant. if we take a look hit is going down? it is very i significant. if we take a look at leicester— significant. if we take a look at leicester or everton or any of the cops— leicester or everton or any of the com vou've — leicester or everton or any of the cops you've just been talking about, they will_ cops you've just been talking about, they will have made some in the region— they will have made some in the region of— they will have made some in the region of the hundred and 10— hundred — region of the hundred and 10— hundred and £30 million last season from tv— hundred and £30 million last season from tv money. if they drop into the championship, double decrease to 'ust championship, double decrease to just over_ championship, double decrease to just over 40, 80 or £90 million. because — just over 40, 80 or £90 million. because in— just over 40, 80 or £90 million. because in the contracts that say we want our— because in the contracts that say we want our brand to be shown when we

play chelsea, liverpool, manchester city and _ play chelsea, liverpool, manchester city and united, no disrespect to these _ city and united, no disrespect to these cops, were playing rotherham, millwall, _ these cops, were playing rotherham, millwall, coventry, and therefore there _ millwall, coventry, and therefore there will— millwall, coventry, and therefore there will be reductions in. they won't _ there will be reductions in. they won't be — there will be reductions in. they won't be able to charge as much money— won't be able to charge as much money they come so we're probably talking _ money they come so we're probably talking up— money they come so we're probably talking up to a potential £100 million — talking up to a potential £100 million drop for a company which is earning _ million drop for a company which is earning somewhere in the region of 450- _ earning somewhere in the region of 450— hundred and £80 million this year _ 450— hundred and £80 million this year -- _ 450— hundred and £80 million this year. —— 150—180. 450- hundred and £80 million this year. "150-180.— 450- hundred and £80 million this year. --150-180. manchester united, arsenal, manchester _ year. --150-180. manchester united, arsenal, manchester united, - year. --150-180. manchester united, arsenal, manchester united, arsenal, j arsenal, manchester united, arsenal, chelsea, chelsea, manchester united, manchester nature, manchester city, manchester nature, manchester city, manchester united, leicester city, chelsea, manchester city, manchester city, liverpool, manchester city. and there is a narrative, and also, blackburn, for example, flying a few years ago. where are they now. ?

blackburn benefited from the previous owner deciding to put money into his _ previous owner deciding to put money into his hometown club and way back then in— into his hometown club and way back then in the _ into his hometown club and way back then in the 1990s you could do that relatively— then in the 1990s you could do that relatively cheaply. he bought alan shearer _ relatively cheaply. he bought alan shearer and chris sutton for what were _ shearer and chris sutton for what were then — shearer and chris sutton for what were then record prices, but we are talking _ were then record prices, but we are talking summer in the region of £384 million _ talking summer in the region of £384 million for— talking summer in the region of £384 million for a — talking summer in the region of £384 million for a player. we have seen million fora player. we have seen football— million for a player. we have seen football inflation since then, the revenue — football inflation since then, the revenue of the premier league has increased _ revenue of the premier league has increased by 2800% since 1992, wages have gone _ increased by 2800% since 1992, wages have gone up by 3400% and transfer sprains— have gone up by 3400% and transfer sprains have exceeded that, so it is a very— sprains have exceeded that, so it is a very lucrative industry, an industry— a very lucrative industry, an industry that has no cost control, no common— industry that has no cost control, no common sense when it comes to running _ no common sense when it comes to running itself as a business. and that's— running itself as a business. and that's part — running itself as a business. and that's part of the excitement and the circuits and the pantomime that .oes the circuits and the pantomime that goes along — the circuits and the pantomime that goes along with modern—day football. i rememberwhen goes along with modern—day football. i remember when luton town were in the top flight, they are in the

chairmanship now. what would it take for them to get into the champions league? in the past there have been fairy tales. what would have to happen for luton to get into the higher echelons of the top flight? luton and unspectacular well this season, — luton and unspectacular well this season, currently third in the championship, have a genuine chance -- they— championship, have a genuine chance -- they have — championship, have a genuine chance —— they have done spectacularly well _ —— they have done spectacularly well it — —— they have done spectacularly well. it comes down to spending it well. it comes down to spending it well rather— well. it comes down to spending it well rather thanjust big. we have seen _ well rather thanjust big. we have seen clubs— well rather thanjust big. we have seen clubs like brentford, filament brighton _ seen clubs like brentford, filament brighton play well and are winning matches— brighton play well and are winning matches on a regular basis and it does _ matches on a regular basis and it does grab — matches on a regular basis and it does grab a little bit of hope. the chances _ does grab a little bit of hope. the chances of— does grab a little bit of hope. the chances of another leicester city arising _ chances of another leicester city arising i— chances of another leicester city arising i think are highly remote, especially— arising i think are highly remote, especially with newcastle having new found wealth as well, we've effectively got seven clubs with big budgets _ effectively got seven clubs with big budgets competing for four champions league _ budgets competing for four champions league places. it would have to be a spectacular— league places. it would have to be a spectacular management and recruitment deal for a club such as luton _ recruitment deal for a club such as luton to— recruitment deal for a club such as luton to get to the champions

league — luton to get to the champions lea . ue. , luton to get to the champions leaaue. , ., , league. they would need friends in the emirates. _ league. they would need friends in the emirates, wouldn't _ league. they would need friends in the emirates, wouldn't they, i league. they would need friends in the emirates, wouldn't they, to i league. they would need friends in i the emirates, wouldn't they, to make it happen? helps, the great thing about having lots of money is that if you make mistakes you can write out that cheque again... band if you make mistakes you can write out that cheque again. . ._ out that cheque again... and the team at luton _ out that cheque again... and the team at luton town _ out that cheque again... and the team at luton town do - out that cheque again... and the team at luton town do not i out that cheque again... and the team at luton town do not have| out that cheque again... and the i team at luton town do not have the ability _ team at luton town do not have the ability to _ team at luton town do not have the ability to write out 40, £50 million checks _ ability to write out 40, £50 million checks one — ability to write out 40, £50 million checks one after another whereas the clubs with _ checks one after another whereas the clubs with middle eastern owners can do that— clubs with middle eastern owners can do that we've seen that happen historically. sill do that we've seen that happen historically-— historically. all a bit star when the staff, _ historically. all a bit star when the staff, survival _ historically. all a bit star when the staff, survival of _ historically. all a bit star when the staff, survival of the i historically. all a bit star when l the staff, survival of the fittest, finding that environment where you can thrive —— all a bit charles darwin. so more callers now. how are you feeling about everton? hat you feeling about everton? not treat, you feeling about everton? not great. i've _ you feeling about everton? lint great, i've definitely felt better. how can this be happening? to you?

from my point of view are not sitting thinking this could never happen to a club like everton, it has been in the top flight for 75 years, but if you have a set up at a football club that makes bad decision after bad decision and there is negligence, that does not want to admit to any mistakes, when it does make mistakes does not take the necessary steps to solve them are only going to go one way and i think what we've seen everton over the past few years probably been accelerated since 2016, a terminal decline in the shady football club became very close to relegation, managed to drag themselves out of it, in no small part the supporters clattering together, and there was a hope that that shock would give everybody at the football could a bit of a shake—up and they would eventually put the right processes in place to make sure this does not

happen again and here we are a year on and exactly the same if not worse position, sol on and exactly the same if not worse position, so i think it is one of them where everton historically, if they went down it would be a huge story but i think when you look at the steps that mean made a football club, not the pitch for 15 to 25 years, it is no surprise we are where we are. to years, it is no surprise we are where we are-— years, it is no surprise we are where we are. ., ., ., . ,, where we are. to look at other clubs that have gone _ where we are. to look at other clubs that have gone down _ where we are. to look at other clubs that have gone down and _ where we are. to look at other clubs that have gone down and down i where we are. to look at other clubs| that have gone down and down again and then it and down? i remember when manchester united were in the second flight, they got back up again, but do you fear it could be the beginning of a long—term decline close back the beginning of a long-term decline close bac< , , ., , the beginning of a long-term decline close bac ,, . , . ., , close back essentially the changes, in terms of — close back essentially the changes, in terms of ownership, _ close back essentially the changes, in terms of ownership, everton i close back essentially the changes, | in terms of ownership, everton have been at that point of view for quite a long time in my opinion and you look at clubs like burnley this year who have gone down, got lean and mean and changed a lot about the football club, the identity, got a real leader, a great figurehead

there, that is something that seems quite rare now. teams that have been in the top flight i have been living of the premier league money, and everton because my case, a bit of a culture shock, anything with everton is, all the supporters and because we are talking about have been in the championship and experience that. for everton as he fan base i think it is going to be a huge culture shock and it's notjust... this isn't me saying everton are too good for the championship by any means but we have the financial aspects to consider, of going down. everton's accounts for the last four years have been horrendous, the losses have been off the scale, having to sell players and can replace them because the finances are so bad. we also have this emotionalfactor are so bad. we also have this emotional factor of are so bad. we also have this emotionalfactor of the are so bad. we also have this emotional factor of the fact that everton are leaving goodison park potentially in about 18 months and

thatis potentially in about 18 months and that is playing into it, so are looking at a situation where everton have two home games left between now and end of the last two top—flight games played at this historic stadium for a long time and so many people in the stadium have so many memories and the stadium, the new stadium is a very visible reminder of what everton's future could be put, from a positive point of view, but for the moment from my viewpoint it is negative because it is getting built on the river mersey, looks absolutely fantastic but i don't look at it now and think i can't wait for 21 play there and have these great names there i think how are they going to pay for that in the second tier? it is horrible to think like that.— think like that. keep your glass half-full. let's _ think like that. keep your glass half-full. let's go _ think like that. keep your glass half-full. let's go leicester. i

think like that. keep your glass l half-full. let's go leicester. do half—full. let's go leicester. do you hear kieran saying it is unlikely there can be a lesser story again? unlikely there can be a lesser story atain? , ., :: :: :: again? yes, we live the dream, 5000 to one, again? yes, we live the dream, 5000 to one. nobody _ again? yes, we live the dream, 5000 to one, nobody could _ again? yes, we live the dream, 5000 to one, nobody could ever _ again? yes, we live the dream, 5000 to one, nobody could ever imagine i again? yes, we live the dream, 5000 to one, nobody could ever imagine it| to one, nobody could ever imagine it but it happened. to one, nobody could ever imagine it but it happened-— but it happened. could happen again to another club? _ but it happened. could happen again to another club? eden _ but it happened. could happen again to another club? eden says - but it happened. could happen again to another club? eden says no. i to another club? eden says no. probably not. i think i heard, i can't remember it was but someone said we can't have another leicester again and that was just before the super league, and i think it was a reality sort of check to all the big six that with the right recruitment, with the right teamwork, everyone pulling together, something special can be done and it was one of those freak seasons that no one expected, not even leicester fans. freak seasons that no one expected, not even leicesterfans. i remember talking to sunderland fans first game of the season and saying we will take 17th right now. and then we went in won the league. but i think it was showing all the other

teams that this can be done if you are not 100% net and they have been every other year since. band are not 100% net and they have been every other year since.— every other year since. and then the mana . er every other year since. and then the manager sacked. _ every other year since. and then the manager sacked. what _ every other year since. and then the manager sacked. what did _ every other year since. and then the manager sacked. what did it - every other year since. and then the manager sacked. what did it feel i manager sacked. what did it feel like winning? would it mean to you in your life?— in your life? absolutely amazing. i was 'ust in your life? absolutely amazing. i was just starting _ in your life? absolutely amazing. i wasjust starting to _ in your life? absolutely amazing. i wasjust starting to get _ in your life? absolutely amazing. i wasjust starting to get into - in your life? absolutely amazing. i wasjust starting to get into the i was just starting to get into the media game at the time, just finished uni, leicesterfan all my life, went to every home game, a couple of away games that season as well and you would go into every game just well and you would go into every gamejust thinking well and you would go into every game just thinking how is this happening? but there is that belief that it was, sundry than the way we all stopped behind afterjamie vardy scored twice in a 2— 01 and it was mad, just saying that we were going to win the league. you can see everyone looking around going is this really happening? it was the

seven year anniversary on tuesday and seven years later i still look back on those videos and pictures and call commented that really happen? orwas a and call commented that really happen? or was a dream? and call commented that really happen? orwas a dream? it and call commented that really happen? or was a dream? if you were to to happen? or was a dream? if you were to go down. — happen? or was a dream? if you were to go down. what _ happen? or was a dream? if you were to go down, what would _ happen? or was a dream? if you were to go down, what would that - happen? or was a dream? if you were to go down, what would that be i happen? or was a dream? if you were to go down, what would that be like? | to go down, what would that be like? my to go down, what would that be like? my heart sinks at the thought of it, really. i am very tense at the minute, nervous, but... l really. i am very tense at the minute, nervous, but... i hate watching _ minute, nervous, but... i hate watching games _ minute, nervous, but... i hate watching games that - minute, nervous, but... i hate watching games that matter. i minute, nervous, but... i hate- watching games that matter. monday nitht watching games that matter. monday ni . ht was watching games that matter. monday night was my — watching games that matter. monday night was my game — watching games that matter. monday night was my game i— watching games that matter. monday night was my game i spend _ watching games that matter. monday night was my game i spend the i watching games that matter. monday| night was my game i spend the entire second half hiding behind my scar. it was very tense. yeah, a goalkeeper pulled off a brilliant save right at the end and that was sort of relief that we would have actually got a point from after being ahead for so long. it is pretty horrible at the minute, but like the leeds fan said, if we do go down we will still be there, i was there in leaguel down we will still be there, i was there in league 1 and there in the

championship, they are for the premier league season and champion say, so it's a horrible thought going into the championship but we will still be at the games. for going into the championship but we will still be at the games.— will still be at the games. for some clubs, will still be at the games. for some clubs. wrecks _ will still be at the games. for some clubs, wrecks in _ will still be at the games. for some clubs, wrecks in reverse. _ will still be at the games. for some clubs, wrecks in reverse. -- - will still be at the games. for some i clubs, wrecks in reverse. -- wrexham clubs, wrecks in reverse. —— wrexham in reverse. l clubs, wrecks in reverse. -- wrexham in reverse-— in reverse. i am nervous, but etuall in reverse. i am nervous, but equally l _ in reverse. i am nervous, but equally i think— in reverse. i am nervous, but equally i think the _ in reverse. i am nervous, but equally i think the position i in reverse. i am nervous, but| equally i think the position we in reverse. i am nervous, but i equally i think the position we are in now. _ equally i think the position we are in now. a — equally i think the position we are in now, a plethora of mistakes made in now, a plethora of mistakes made in the _ in now, a plethora of mistakes made in the last— in now, a plethora of mistakes made in the last 18 months or so, but i think— in the last 18 months or so, but i think we — in the last 18 months or so, but i think we find ourselves now make seven— think we find ourselves now make seven years ago more remarkable because _ seven years ago more remarkable because we have always been this kind of— because we have always been this kind of yo—yo club so do think that we reach _ kind of yo—yo club so do think that we reach them heights and won the fa cup a _ we reach them heights and won the fa cup a couple _ we reach them heights and won the fa cup a couple of years back, to find ourselves — cup a couple of years back, to find ourselves back where we traditionally normally find ourselves, i think it makes the last decade _ ourselves, i think it makes the last decade sort — ourselves, i think it makes the last decade sort of even more remarkable.

you are _ decade sort of even more remarkable. you are doing well expressing it. how emotional was it? l you are doing well expressing it. how emotional was it?— how emotional was it? i still go back now and _ how emotional was it? i still go back now and watch _ how emotional was it? i still go back now and watch the - how emotional was it? i still go i back now and watch the highlights of that season. it was an amazing feeling — that season. it was an amazing feeling back then. we were going to a bad _ feeling back then. we were going to a had family thing at the time but it sort— a had family thing at the time but it sort of— a had family thing at the time but it sort of lift you out of the, the ability _ it sort of lift you out of the, the ability to — it sort of lift you out of the, the ability to sort of make you feel great _ ability to sort of make you feel great again and everton have been mentioned, tottenham, aston villa, those _ mentioned, tottenham, aston villa, those that— mentioned, tottenham, aston villa, those that have been in the family a lot longer, — those that have been in the family a lot longer, i— those that have been in the family a lot longer, i know they won the league — lot longer, i know they won the league for— lot longer, i know they won the league for the premier league but they've _ league for the premier league but they've never experienced winning they've never experienced winning the premier league in the last 25 or 30 years _ the premier league in the last 25 or 30 years. we the premier league in the last 25 or 30 ears. ~ . . , ., 30 years. we have a newcastle fan, ou've 30 years. we have a newcastle fan,

you've been — 30 years. we have a newcastle fan, you've been down, _ 30 years. we have a newcastle fan, you've been down, down, _ 30 years. we have a newcastle fan, you've been down, down, down, i you've been down, down, down, haven't you?— you've been down, down, down, haven't you? that used to be our nickname- _ haven't you? that used to be our nickname. like _ haven't you? that used to be our nickname. like every _ haven't you? that used to be our nickname. like every other- haven't you? that used to be our nickname. like every other club, | nickname. like every other club, seems to think, i think football fan subconsciously likely relegation phase because of what happens the day after in the pub or work, you're arguing about different decisions being made, the leadership of the club, i personally think football fans are manic—depressive so like the house and the lows. ibtre fans are manic-depressive so like the house and the lows.— the house and the lows. are you sa int the house and the lows. are you saying there _ the house and the lows. are you saying there is _ the house and the lows. are you saying there is a _ the house and the lows. are you saying there is a masochism i the house and the lows. are you i saying there is a masochism about this? no pleasure without pain, but of the actress—mack in dodgy territory but tell me more. especially in an area that has derby games. my local derby is something, we hope we will get through to the play—offs, and between rivalfans, the songs that will be happening

with everton, liverpool, some of them will be obscene, some will be really funny, but it's the rivalry in the competition you need, relegation, in a promotion, that is how competition works.— how competition works. steve, newcastle _ how competition works. steve, newcastle fan. _ how competition works. steve, newcastle fan. our _ how competition works. steve, newcastle fan. our newcastle | how competition works. steve, i newcastle fan. our newcastle bomb proof, as they say, from relegation? are they there for keeps because they've got the money to make sure they've got the money to make sure they are therefore keeps? there are an ve they are therefore keeps? there are any very strong _ they are therefore keeps? there are any very strong position, _ they are therefore keeps? there are any very strong position, the - they are therefore keeps? there are any very strong position, the big - any very strong position, the big six have — any very strong position, the big six have effectively become the big seven, _ six have effectively become the big seven, for— six have effectively become the big seven, for policy talent industry, talent _ seven, for policy talent industry, talent follows the money, and in the main, _ talent follows the money, and in the main. you _ talent follows the money, and in the main, you get it right. at the same time, _ main, you get it right. at the same time, newcastle have spent no more money— time, newcastle have spent no more money than — time, newcastle have spent no more money than everton did in their first couple of years of ownership, i think— first couple of years of ownership, i think we've seen in terms of the quality— i think we've seen in terms of the quality of— i think we've seen in terms of the quality of decision—making, the quality— quality of decision—making, the quality of— quality of decision—making, the quality of the decision—making at everton— quality of the decision—making at

everton has been right and the couple — everton has been right and the couple with your savvy strategy and i think _ couple with your savvy strategy and i think this — couple with your savvy strategy and i think this has been very evident in where — i think this has been very evident in where both clubs are at present. that won't— in where both clubs are at present. that won't stop unless something weird happens. they are in for the long term, those investors. and who you buy and when you buy and all that, but you make a really good points, success attracts talent, and talent bring success, that's very difficult to break into, but if you have that amount of money available, splurging around, it's very difficult and very unlikely that they are going to descend. in future years newcastle united fans will see a disappointing year is one in which they don't qualify for the champions league. has they don't qualify for the champions leaaue. a ., , ., they don't qualify for the champions leauue. m ., ., ., league. as opposed to what we have seen in some — league. as opposed to what we have seen in some of— league. as opposed to what we have seen in some of the _ league. as opposed to what we have seen in some of the year— league. as opposed to what we have seen in some of the year since - league. as opposed to what we have seen in some of the year since they i seen in some of the year since they were _ seen in some of the year since they were promoted where they were, at times, _ were promoted where they were, at times, very— were promoted where they were, at times, very twitchy with regards to

relegation — times, very twitchy with regards to relegation. so they have entered a cave phase, as far as the club is concerned. _ cave phase, as far as the club is concerned, the revenues, the new deats— concerned, the revenues, the new deals they— concerned, the revenues, the new deals they are bringing in in terms of sponsorship, is be very lucrative. _ of sponsorship, is be very lucrative, the chances of qualifying for the _ lucrative, the chances of qualifying for the champions league next season are very— for the champions league next season are very high, that will bring in somewhere between 30— £100 million and that— somewhere between 30— £100 million and that creates a virtuous circle, and that creates a virtuous circle, and they— and that creates a virtuous circle, and they have been disruptors as far as the _ and they have been disruptors as far as the premier league is concerned. the future _ as the premier league is concerned. the future is — as the premier league is concerned. the future is so bright you have to wear shades. you are going to get silverware one of these days. i don't know if we will next season but in the next five years... a five year plan to bring silverware here. i want to make a comment on the ownership. like a lot of people, i was not too

keen on saudi arabian investment coming in, iwould have keen on saudi arabian investment coming in, i would have preferred microsoft or something like that, just for morality reasons... we discussed that before, yes, but you've got the money. you're still going to go? it you've got the money. you're still going to go?— going to go? it is here now, so, watch out. _ going to go? it is here now, so, watch out, here _ going to go? it is here now, so, watch out, here we _ going to go? it is here now, so, watch out, here we come! - going to go? it is here now, so, | watch out, here we come! sarah liverpool. _ watch out, here we come! sarah liverpool, you're _ watch out, here we come! sarah liverpool, you're an _ watch out, here we come! sarah liverpool, you're an everton - watch out, here we come! sarah | liverpool, you're an everton fan, how you doing?— liverpool, you're an everton fan, - how you doing?_ can how you doing? could be better. can we talk to you _ how you doing? could be better. can we talk to you after _ how you doing? could be better. can we talk to you after the _ how you doing? could be better. can we talk to you after the news - how you doing? could be better. can we talk to you after the news and - we talk to you after the news and the sport? could be better is a great little tease, can you come backin great little tease, can you come back in a couple of minutes? fik. it back in a couple of minutes? 0k. it is 10.31. and here is the news, from dan brennan. thank you, nicky, good morning. explosions were heard overnight in ukrainian cities, including the capital kyiv.

it comes after russia says it might retaliate for what it claimed was an attempt to assassinate president putin yesterday. ukraine's president, volodmyr zelensky, is currently giving a speech at the international criminal court in the hague. the united nations aid chief, martin griffiths, says the determination of the parties fighting in sudan risks turning the conflict into a global tragedy. he says after meeting the rival leaders, there doesn't seem to be a will to end the war. the polls are open in local elections across england. voters will decide who runs services in 230 local councils with around 8,000 seats and four mayoral posts up for grabs. for the first time in england, voters will need to show a valid photo id before casting their ballot. the uk's competition watchdog is beginning a review of the artificial intelligence market. the competition and markets authority will analyse the technology behind popular chatbots such as chatgpt and assess their impact on consumers. let's get the sport, with katie smith. thank you. pep guardiola says erling haaland

deserved his guard of honour from his manchester city team—mates last night after he broke the premier league record for goals scored in a season. he got his 35th goal as city beat west ham 3—0 to go back on top of the premier league last night. the boss of premiership rugby says it's important that the rules which stop england from picking players based overseas stay in place. that's despite calls for them to be relaxed. a handful of england internationals like jack nowell and luke cowan—dickie are heading to france after the world cup, making them unavailable for head coach steve borthwick. the former wimbledon champion marion bartoli says emma raducanu should get back into the world's top 10. she hopes the brit won't be out for long so she doesn't miss too much tennis. raducanu has revealed she will miss the french open and wimbledon this summer due to operations on her hands and ankle. and jonny bairstow is back from injury and making his first—team return for yorkshire in the county championship this morning. the austalian batter steve smith will be playing in his first

red—ball match for sussex. will be playing in his first we will be playing in his first will be asking is technolo ruining we will be asking is technology ruining football? helen wants to know, how hot is the planet going to get? we will explain why prices keep going up and up. did you know, space has its own smell? really, what? the world is fast moving and can be confusing. so let's talk about it. 5 live breakfast. we are looking at the relegation game in the beautiful game, not so beautiful if you plummet. sarah liverpool, everton fan, goodness me, what's gone wrong? i liverpool, everton fan, goodness me, what's gone wrong?— what's gone wrong? i think it's to do with the _ what's gone wrong? i think it's to do with the fact _ what's gone wrong? i think it's to do with the fact that _ what's gone wrong? i think it's to do with the fact that the - what's gone wrong? i think it's to do with the fact that the team - what's gone wrong? i think it's to | do with the fact that the team has -ot do with the fact that the team has got money. i will be perfectly

honest — got money. i will be perfectly honest. everton do not do well when there _ honest. everton do not do well when there is— honest. everton do not do well when there is money sloshing around the ctuh _ there is money sloshing around the ctuh they— there is money sloshing around the club. they do better when they are on a shoestring. take a look at when david _ on a shoestring. take a look at when david moves— on a shoestring. take a look at when david moyes was in charge. as soon as the _ david moyes was in charge. as soon as the new— david moyes was in charge. as soon as the new majority shareholder came in, as the new majority shareholder came in. spending _ as the new majority shareholder came in, spending on the money and every thing _ in, spending on the money and every thing else, _ in, spending on the money and every thing else, promise of new stadiums, which _ thing else, promise of new stadiums, which is _ thing else, promise of new stadiums, which is now— thing else, promise of new stadiums, which is now going to end up being a white _ which is now going to end up being a white elephant... can which is now going to end up being a white elephant. . ._ white elephant... can i stop you there? yes. _ white elephant... can i stop you there? yes, sloshing, _ white elephant... can i stop you there? yes, sloshing, but - white elephant... can i stop you there? yes, sloshing, but you i white elephant... can i stop you l there? yes, sloshing, but you had wayne rooney, you had a special talent. . . , wayne rooney, you had a special talent. ., ., , , ., , wayne rooney, you had a special talent. ., ., ., ., talent. that was years ago. that was a lona , talent. that was years ago. that was a long. long — talent. that was years ago. that was a long. longtime — talent. that was years ago. that was a long, long time ago. _ talent. that was years ago. that was a long, long time ago. david - talent. that was years ago. that was a long, long time ago. david moyesl a long, long time ago. david moyes was ears a long, long time ago. david moyes was years ago- _ a long, long time ago. david moyes was years ago- i — a long, long time ago. david moyes was years ago. i know _ a long, long time ago. david moyes was years ago. i know but - a long, long time ago. david moyes was years ago. i know but that - a long, long time ago. david moyes was years ago. i know but that was | was years ago. i know but that was the last time _ was years ago. i know but that was the last time we _ was years ago. i know but that was the last time we were _ was years ago. i know but that was the last time we were anywhere i was years ago. i know but that was l the last time we were anywhere near decent. _ the last time we were anywhere near decent, mid—table, pushing up into the top _ decent, mid—table, pushing up into the top six — decent, mid—table, pushing up into the top six or seven, we were not doing _ the top six or seven, we were not doing too— the top six or seven, we were not doing too bad. but since then, everything has been going from pillar— everything has been going from pillar to— everything has been going from pillar to post, managing to stay up, but then— pillar to post, managing to stay up, but then especially last year, and now this — but then especially last year, and now this year, here we go again. just when — now this year, here we go again. just when walter smith took over,

and it— just when walter smith took over, and it was— just when walter smith took over, and it was a — just when walter smith took over, and it was a miracle that we actually— and it was a miracle that we actually stayed up. i think it was 92, actually stayed up. i think it was 92. 93. — actually stayed up. i think it was 92, 93, around then. but the way things— 92, 93, around then. but the way things are — 92, 93, around then. but the way things are shaping up, i will be perfectly— things are shaping up, i will be perfectly honest, i do not see us staying _ perfectly honest, i do not see us staying up. — perfectly honest, i do not see us staying up, we've got the worst stats _ staying up, we've got the worst stats in — staying up, we've got the worst stats in never mind the premiership, in the _ stats in never mind the premiership, in the league, in some cases, wrexham _ in the league, in some cases, wrexham have got some better stats than us _ wrexham have got some better stats than us. and i will be perfectly honest. — than us. and i will be perfectly honest, the way things are shaping up honest, the way things are shaping up next _ honest, the way things are shaping up next year, i think it will be the samaritans — up next year, i think it will be the samaritans sponsoring the team shirt because _ samaritans sponsoring the team shirt because believe you me, there are some _ because believe you me, there are some evertonians who take it very seriously — some evertonians who take it very seriously and are in counselling, so i'm seriously and are in counselling, so i'm told _ seriously and are in counselling, so i'm told. going by some of the stories— i'm told. going by some of the stories we _ i'm told. going by some of the stories i've heard of the family. and might _ stories i've heard of the family. and might be sponsored by the rnli! i'm and might be sponsored by the rnli! i'm not— and might be sponsored by the rnli! i'm notjoking! and by the way... the salvation army are in with a prayer. the salvation army are in with a ra er. �* , . the salvation army are in with a ra er. �* y ., , the salvation army are in with a ra er. �* , ., , , prayer. and if ryan reynolds is listeninu , prayer. and if ryan reynolds is listening. i— prayer. and if ryan reynolds is listening, i am _ prayer. and if ryan reynolds is listening, i am sure _ prayer. and if ryan reynolds is listening, i am sure the - prayer. and if ryan reynolds is listening, i am sure the board. prayer. and if ryan reynolds is - listening, i am sure the board would love to _ listening, i am sure the board would love to sell— listening, i am sure the board would love to sell it to them, cut—price.

and the _ love to sell it to them, cut—price. and the stadium is a jigsaw, it is not far— and the stadium is a jigsaw, it is not far from _ and the stadium is a jigsaw, it is not far from where i live. whatever is going _ not far from where i live. whatever is going on— not far from where i live. whatever is going on in the boardroom is also threatening — is going on in the boardroom is also threatening what is going on on the pitch. _ threatening what is going on on the pitch. and _ threatening what is going on on the pitch, and the fact was, frank lampard _ pitch, and the fact was, frank lampard was not the right fit for everton, — lampard was not the right fit for everton, and that has shown itself, and sean— everton, and that has shown itself, and sean dyche has got a job on his hands _ and sean dyche has got a job on his hands to— and sean dyche has got a job on his hands to try— and sean dyche has got a job on his hands to try to keep us up. hopefully he does but i don't think he with _ hopefully he does but i don't think he with it— hopefully he does but i don't think he will. ., , ., ,., . hopefully he does but i don't think he will. ., , ., . ., he will. it does matter so much to eo - le, he will. it does matter so much to people. this. _ he will. it does matter so much to people, this, and _ he will. it does matter so much to people, this, and a _ he will. it does matter so much to people, this, and a lot _ he will. it does matter so much to people, this, and a lot of- he will. it does matter so much to people, this, and a lot of people i people, this, and a lot of people listening and watching will think, why does it matter so much to these people, for goodness' sake? meii. why does it matter so much to these people, for goodness' sake? well, to me, iwill people, for goodness' sake? well, to me. i will be — people, for goodness' sake? well, to me, i will be perfectly _ people, for goodness' sake? well, to me, i will be perfectly honest, - me, i will be perfectly honest, nicky. — me, i will be perfectly honest, nicky. i— me, i will be perfectly honest, nicky, i am me, i will be perfectly honest, nicky, lam not me, i will be perfectly honest, nicky, i am not as serious as a lot of people. — nicky, i am not as serious as a lot of people. in— nicky, i am not as serious as a lot of people, in fact i watch it and i 'ust of people, in fact i watch it and i just go. — of people, in fact i watch it and i just go. i— of people, in fact i watch it and i just go, i will be perfectly honest, i support— just go, i will be perfectly honest, i support the underdog, and everton couid _ i support the underdog, and everton could not— i support the underdog, and everton could not be any more underdog. gone are the _ could not be any more underdog. gone are the days _ could not be any more underdog. gone are the days when the silverware used _ are the days when the silverware used to— are the days when the silverware used to cross stanley part with monotonous regularity. so if everton were playing — monotonous regularity. so if everton were playing wrexham, _ monotonous regularity. so if everton were playing wrexham, you - monotonous regularity. so if evertonj were playing wrexham, you wouldn't support the underdog, would you? well, put it this way, the way everton— well, put it this way, the way everton are playing i think wrexham would _ everton are playing i think wrexham would beat them, i will be perfectly

honest _ would beat them, i will be perfectly honest. people say, why would anyone want to _ honest. people say, why would anyone want to support everton? well, the vast majority of people in liverpool, i would say 60% or 70%, support _ liverpool, i would say 60% or 70%, support everton... liverpool, i would say 6096 or 70%, support everton. . ._ liverpool, i would say 6096 or 7096, support everton. . ._ support everton... really, is that riuht? support everton... really, is that right? yes. _ support everton... really, is that right? yes. it _ support everton... really, is that right? yes, it is _ support everton... really, is that right? yes, it is the _ support everton... really, is that right? yes, it is the local- support everton... really, is that right? yes, it is the localteam, i right? yes, it is the localteam, there is no _ right? yes, it is the localteam, there is no other _ right? yes, it is the localteam, there is no other reason - right? yes, it is the localteam, there is no other reason why. . right? yes, it is the localteam, - there is no other reason why. 6096, there is no other reason why. 60%, 70%. _ there is no other reason why. 60%, 70%. i_ there is no other reason why. 60%, 70%. i don't — there is no other reason why. 60%, 70%, i don't live too far from anfield — 70%, idon't live too far from anfield or— 70%, i don't live too far from anfield or goodison park, and the one thing — anfield or goodison park, and the one thing i— anfield or goodison park, and the one thing i notice, when they're coming — one thing i notice, when they're coming out, when everton is playing at home. _ coming out, when everton is playing at home, the vast majority of people. — at home, the vast majority of people, they are locals, they get the train. — people, they are locals, they get the train, they get the bus or they drive _ the train, they get the bus or they drive to— the train, they get the bus or they drive to the — the train, they get the bus or they drive to the local area be it ormskirk, the wirral, chester or what _ ormskirk, the wirral, chester or what but— ormskirk, the wirral, chester or what. but when it comes to the liverpool— what. but when it comes to the liverpool fans, if you go into town, and i_ liverpool fans, if you go into town, and l have — liverpool fans, if you go into town, and i have been in town when both everton—

and i have been in town when both everton or— and i have been in town when both everton or liverpool are at home, the amount— everton or liverpool are at home, the amount of people pouring out of lime street— the amount of people pouring out of lime street coming off the london train. _ lime street coming off the london train. or— lime street coming off the london train, ortrains from... gh, lime street coming off the london train, or trains from. . ._ train, or trains from. .. oh, this one. train, or trains from. .. oh, this one- or— train, or trains from. .. oh, this one. or coming _ train, or trains from. .. oh, this one. or coming from _ train, or trains from. .. oh, this one. or coming from john - train, or trains from. .. oh, this i one. or coming from john lennon airort or one. or coming from john lennon airport or whatever _ one. or coming from john lennon airport or whatever global - one. or coming from john lennon airport or whatever global club, i airport or whatever global club, you're _ airport or whatever global club, you're jealous. to be perfectly honest. — you're jealous. to be perfectly honest, when liverpool weren't doing so well _ honest, when liverpool weren't doing so well in _ honest, when liverpool weren't doing so well in the '50s, the evertonians used _ so well in the '50s, the evertonians used to— so well in the '50s, the evertonians used to go— so well in the '50s, the evertonians used to go to the match to boost the morale. _ used to go to the match to boost the morale, because my dad was one of them _ morale, because my dad was one of them. because they used to be one man and _ them. because they used to be one man and his — them. because they used to be one man and his dog at anfield at one time _ man and his dog at anfield at one time and — man and his dog at anfield at one time and then as soon as shankly took— time and then as soon as shankly took over and got them up into the top division — took over and got them up into the top division everybody started supporting liverpool. to which my dad turned — supporting liverpool. to which my dad turned around and said to them, that's— dad turned around and said to them, that's funny. — dad turned around and said to them, that's funny, i don't remember seeing — that's funny, i don't remember seeing many of you at the match when they were _ seeing many of you at the match when they were in _ seeing many of you at the match when they were in the second division. well. _ they were in the second division. well. that— they were in the second division. well, that you are. you will be hoping for salvation from the army. katie, that is an interesting thing about liverpool, isn't it, that pride, everton, we are the liverpool club, the boys in blue, we represent

our city, not the ones pouring in john lennon airport and lime street station? wait a minute, katie, john lennon airport and lime street station? waita minute, katie, do john lennon airport and lime street station? wait a minute, katie, do we have any stats on this, how many people in liverpool support liverpool and how many support everton? have yougov been at it? i haven't got them in front of me but give me a minute, let's have a look. it will be interesting, i'm not sure if it is entirely a science, but it was a great cause. andy in reading, kerry in nottingham, lara in smethwick, hello all. coming to you, kerry, is that you? it smethwick, hello all. coming to you, kerry. is that you?— smethwick, hello all. coming to you, kerry, is that you?_ so, - kerry, is that you? it is, yes. so, what a history — kerry, is that you? it is, yes. so, what a history you _ kerry, is that you? it is, yes. so, what a history you have, - kerry, is that you? it is, yes. so, - what a history you have, nottingham. certainly have, prince along time ago now, was the success of the '705, i ago now, was the success of the '70s, i texted into your programme initially because a lot is made of

the 30 players that we have signed this season and listening to other radio stations, i don't personally, but hearing what they are saying on twitter and things, on talk sport et cetera and a lot is made about the 30 players we've signed, nothing is made about the fact that we lost approximately 27 players due to loanees leaving, players retiring, contracts terminated et cetera. and at the end of the day, we've still got the same 25 man squad, the same as every other premiership top. 50, all those about the 30—odd players, and further to that point was more about what a fantastic job steve cooper has done since he has been there. if you had told me this time last year, or when we were bottom of the championship last year, that we would have been beating liverpool at home, drawing with manchester city at home, i would have laughed at you, i could never have envisaged

that happening. so, thejob that you, i could never have envisaged that happening. so, the job that he has done, but it is notjust with the playing staff, i've never known a club so united since the heady days of brian clough and the european glory days. he has been fantastic. . , ., european glory days. he has been fantastic. ., , ., .., . european glory days. he has been fantastic. . , ., .., . ., fantastic. can you ever conceive of hittin: fantastic. can you ever conceive of hitting those _ fantastic. can you ever conceive of hitting those heights _ fantastic. can you ever conceive of hitting those heights again? - fantastic. can you ever conceive of hitting those heights again? or- hitting those heights again? or is that history and in the past? i think potentially it is history due to the fantastic wealth of the likes of newcastle now, and obviously city et cetera, and manchester united. mid—table club, hanging around there for the next ten years, would suit me fine. if we end up going down this season, i think most sensible fans realise that we would be in this sort of position at this time of the season. looking at the last few games, we've only won one in the

last five, that is relegation form. having said that, if you look at the table, weirdly, we are still in there. you look at leeds united's run—in, that is awful, i wouldn't swap our run—in for there is, it is awful. if we end up staying up, fantastic, that has been a success, to most sensible fans. if we get relegated, i have had a fantastic year, i've loved every minute of it, it has been great, home and away for me, it has been fantastic. lara it has been great, home and away for me, it has been fantastic.— me, it has been fantastic. lara is in smethwick, _ me, it has been fantastic. lara is in smethwick, wes _ me, it has been fantastic. lara is in smethwick, wes brown - me, it has been fantastic. lara is in smethwick, wes brown fan. i me, it has been fantastic. lara is i in smethwick, wes brown fan. need me, it has been fantastic. lara is - in smethwick, wes brown fan. need to get back up, what would that mean to you? get back up, what would that mean to ou? �* . , get back up, what would that mean to ou? �* ., , , ~ , get back up, what would that mean to you? already be huge. -- west brom fan. the you? already be huge. -- west brom fan- the club — you? already be huge. -- west brom fan. the club is _ you? already be huge. -- west brom fan. the club is a _ you? already be huge. -- west brom fan. the club is a massive _ you? already be huge. -- west brom fan. the club is a massive financial. fan. the club is a massive financial problems. — fan. the club is a massive financial problems, our owners have taken out loans _ problems, our owners have taken out loans against the club, we have the existing _ loans against the club, we have the existing loan from the previous owner— existing loan from the previous owner which hasn't been repaid, and we have _ owner which hasn't been repaid, and we have also— owner which hasn't been repaid, and we have also taken out another £20 million _ we have also taken out another £20 million loan — we have also taken out another £20 million loan and in the latest accounts _ million loan and in the latest accounts it says we are needing to

sell players, the club is an ongoing concern. _ sell players, the club is an ongoing concern, being promoted would be massive. _ concern, being promoted would be massive, ideally our owner would finally _ massive, ideally our owner would finally sell — massive, ideally our owner would finally sell us up and we would get a newer. _ finally sell us up and we would get a newer, better owner, but even in the short—term it would be more money— the short—term it would be more money going into the club, it is huge. — money going into the club, it is huge, promotion for us. and money going into the club, it is huge, promotion for us. and you have not a aood huge, promotion for us. and you have got a good history _ huge, promotion for us. and you have got a good history as _ huge, promotion for us. and you have got a good history as well? _ got a good history as well? being promoted? _ got a good history as well? being promoted? yes, _ got a good history as well? being promoted? yes, hopefully. - got a good history as well? being promoted? yes, hopefully. i- got a good history as well? beingi promoted? yes, hopefully. i mean got a good history as well? being - promoted? yes, hopefully. i mean as a club, promoted? yes, hopefully. i mean as a club. west— promoted? yes, hopefully. i mean as a club, west brom, _ promoted? yes, hopefully. i mean as a club, west brom, you've _ promoted? yes, hopefully. i mean as a club, west brom, you've had - promoted? yes, hopefully. i mean as a club, west brom, you've had some| a club, west brom, you've had some great players, you've had some good history, you've had some fantastic players in the past. and you're on the brink of both. you could be on the brink of both. you could be on the brink of getting back up again and is kerry wisely said, getting to and is kerry wisely said, getting to a decent mid—table position, or it could go the other way. it is a tightrope, isn't it?— could go the other way. it is a tightrope, isn't it? absolutely and i think it speaks _ tightrope, isn't it? absolutely and i think it speaks volumes - tightrope, isn't it? absolutely and i think it speaks volumes about i i think it speaks volumes about modern — i think it speaks volumes about modern football today. one of the founder _ modern football today. one of the founder members of the football league. — founder members of the football league, generally we live within our means. _ league, generally we live within our means, have good attendances, and yet we're _ means, have good attendances, and yet we're still struggling, our owners— yet we're still struggling, our owners have taken us to the brink. it is happening at our club and lots of clubs. _

it is happening at our club and lots of clubs, there just isn't the oversight— of clubs, there just isn't the oversight of football ownership that there needs to be, and we are seeing so many— there needs to be, and we are seeing so many clubs are struggling now because — so many clubs are struggling now because of it.— because of it. katie, are you still there on the _ because of it. katie, are you still there on the line? _ because of it. katie, are you still there on the line? who - because of it. katie, are you still there on the line? who did - because of it. katie, are you still there on the line? who did we i because of it. katie, are you still- there on the line? who did we have, sarah liverpool, who claimed, made the bold claim that 70%... are you still there, sarah, you said... the bold claim that 7096... are you still there, sarah, you said... 6096, i said. still there, sarah, you said... 6096, i said- 6096 — still there, sarah, you said... 6096, i said- 6096 my _ still there, sarah, you said... 6096, i said. 6096 my nicky. _ still there, sarah, you said... 6096, i said. 6096 my nicky. you - still there, sarah, you said... 6096, i said. 6096 my nicky. you said - i said. 6096 my nicky. you said 60-70%- _ i said. 6096 my nicky. you said 60-70%- all— i said. 6096 my nicky. you said 60-70%. all right? _ i said. 6096 my nicky. you said 60-70%. all right? ok, - i said. 6096 my nicky. you said 60-70%. all right? ok, katie, | i said. 6096 my nicky. you said - 60-7096. all right? ok, katie, have 60—70%. all right? ok, katie, have you got the stats? i'm sure she said 60-70% of you got the stats? i'm sure she said 60—70% of liverpool fans. i think she was edging towards 70% of liverpool people support everton rather than liverpool. katie smith. so, i have rather than liverpool. katie smith. so. i have got _ rather than liverpool. katie smith. so, i have got everton's _ rather than liverpool. katie smith. so, i have got everton's planning l so, i have got everton's planning application in front of me for the new stadium, and i'mjust application in front of me for the new stadium, and i'm just looking at this sample, the only thing i don't haveis this sample, the only thing i don't have is the sample size of the

number of people they spoke to but they do say half of the sample considered themselves the full fans and around a quarter considered themselves everton supporters, which broadly aligns with what is known about the split across the city, given greater confidence that the results are based on a balance of sample, so roughly two to one liverpool fans outweighing everton in the city. fair liverpool fans outweighing everton in the ci . . ., , in the city. fair enough, it is amazing _ in the city. fair enough, it is amazing what _ in the city. fair enough, it is amazing what happens - in the city. fair enough, it isj amazing what happens when in the city. fair enough, it is i amazing what happens when a in the city. fair enough, it is - amazing what happens when a team does well— amazing what happens when a team does well on the other team is rubbish! — does well on the other team is rubbish! but there is a lot of us. if somebody makes a claim, we have got to get that... if somebody makes a claim, we have got to get that. . ._ got to get that... that is fair dos! we other bbc! _ got to get that... that is fair dos! we other bbc! we _ got to get that... that is fair dos! we other bbc! we are _ got to get that... that is fair dos! we other bbc! we are the - got to get that... that is fair dos! i we other bbc! we are the greatest broadcasting organisation in the world and we have got the best fact checkers. we give it impartially, we give the truth under power. and the truth unto sarah as well. lovely talking to you, sarah. all the best. very true. mine was anything but scientific. — very true. mine was anything but scientific. i— very true. mine was anything but scientific, i was going by all the cahhies— scientific, i was going by all the cahhies i— scientific, i was going by all the cabbies i know, not to mention our family. _ cabbies i know, not to mention our family, which is rather large. just don't make _ family, which is rather large. just don't make such _ family, which is rather large. jisie don't make such claims about glasgow, because we will be here all

day. i glasgow, because we will be here all da . ., �* ., , glasgow, because we will be here all da. day. i won't, living in hope about the old days- _ day. iwon't, living in hope about the old days. webster— day. i won't, living in hope about the old days. webster in - day. i won't, living in hope about. the old days. webster in blackpool. nice to _ the old days. webster in blackpool. nice to talk to you, nicky. blackpool, they dropped already, and i am a lifelong everton supporter so i am a lifelong everton supporter so i am a lifelong everton supporter so i am suffering, too. haifa i am a lifelong everton supporter so i am suffering, too.— i am a lifelong everton supporter so i am suffering, too. how do you feel about blackpool, _ i am suffering, too. how do you feel about blackpool, do _ i am suffering, too. how do you feel about blackpool, do you _ i am suffering, too. how do you feel about blackpool, do you have - i am suffering, too. how do you feel about blackpool, do you have any i about blackpool, do you have any emotional investment in blackpool? well, my partner is supporters liaison officer, it is a volunteer position but he is there, he does an article in the local newspaper every two weeks or so. to keep the fans engaged and to liaise between the fans and the club. it is a sad times, they are losing members of their board, the owners come in, very optimistic about the future, and theyjust have had a really had run of form, they've lost players through suspension, but they've lost players through injury and theyjust

couldn't turn it around in time, it's very sad. couldn't turn it around in time, it's very sad-— it's very sad. highest finish, second in — it's very sad. highest finish, second in division _ it's very sad. highest finish, second in division one - it's very sad. highest finish, second in division one in i it's very sad. highest finish, i second in division one in 1956, blackpool, that is equivalent to the premier league now. yes. blackpool, that is equivalent to the premier league now.— blackpool, that is equivalent to the premier league now. yes, they have won promoted. _ premier league now. yes, they have won promoted, they _ premier league now. yes, they have won promoted, they were _ premier league now. yes, they have won promoted, they were in - premier league now. yes, they have won promoted, they were in the - won promoted, they were in the premiership briefly. with the great charlie adam. the premiership briefly. with the great charlie adam.— charlie adam. the great charlie adam, former _ charlie adam. the great charlie adam, former stoke _ charlie adam. the great charlie adam, former stoke and - charlie adam. the great charlie i adam, former stoke and dundee charlie adam. the great charlie - adam, former stoke and dundee united and... rangers, ithink? might be wrong. and... rangers, ithink? might be wronr. �* . ., ., wrong. but i am an everton supporter. _ wrong. but i am an everton supporter. ln _ wrong. but i am an everton supporter. in 1965, - wrong. but i am an everton supporter. in 1965, my- wrong. but i am an everton supporter. in 1965, my dad| wrong. but i am an everton - supporter. in 1965, my dad had a pub in maghull near liverpool, and most of the team, who were paid peanuts in those days, were locals, they were regulars in the pub. and i was only five, six, and i met all of them. ~ ., , ., only five, six, and i met all of them. ~ ., y., them. who did you meet, give me some

names? 0h. _ them. who did you meet, give me some names? oh, howard _ them. who did you meet, give me some names? oh, howard kendall, _ them. who did you meet, give me some names? oh, howard kendall, then - names? oh, howard kendall, then harvey, alex scott, alex young, gordon west, sani brown, jimmy husband, mike triple cork, jimmy gabriel, they were all great lads, great people. i used to go in the bar sometimes a weekday afternoon if i was off school and sing and sit on the bar and i came away with loads of money. they used to give me money for singing! what did use in? filth. for singing! what did use in? oh, an hina. for singing! what did use in? oh, anything- i— for singing! what did use in? oh, anything- i used _ for singing! what did use in? on, anything. i used to for singing! what did use in? ci anything. i used to sing for singing! what did use in? ci, anything. i used to sing hey, for singing! what did use in? gi anything. i used to sing hey, big spender and all the ones that were popular songs of the day. that spender and all the ones that were popular songs of the day.— popular songs of the day. that is appropriate _ popular songs of the day. that is appropriate for _ popular songs of the day. that is appropriate for football - popular songs of the day. that is appropriate for football now, - popular songs of the day. that is| appropriate for football now, isn't it? ., , , , , ., , it? haven, big spend. the problem for everton — it? haven, big spend. the problem for everton has _ it? haven, big spend. the problem for everton has been _ it? haven, big spend. the problem for everton has been the _ it? haven, big spend. the problem. for everton has been the ownership, really. and the board. i mean, why sell a football club and then stay as chairman on the board? i can't understand bill kenwright, i think

it's very sad that he stayed on. he has got a strong emotional attachment to the club, hasn't he? yes, but he doesn't need to be there like he's trying to be the boss, trying to send stupid letters to the fans supporters association, telling them what a great guy he is. he is not. he has had his day and he should bow out and let somebody get on with running the club who knows how to run a club. it's been a bad season for everton, and for our household, if everton are relegated, blackpool already are, we are going to be in the doldrums, that we will still support the team, and that is the thing about evertonian trans, they are true blue. they believe in they are true blue. they believe in the royal blue mercy, they believe in the club, and unfortunately, it just hasn't worked out this time for all fans are like that, all fans are devoted to their clubs, and i appreciate you... devoted to their clubs, and i appreciate you. . ._ devoted to their clubs, and i appreciate you... want to check in

with kieran _ appreciate you... want to check in with kieran maguire, _ appreciate you. .. want to check in with kieran maguire, football- with kieran maguire, football finance expert, everton, what is going on there? i finance expert, everton, what is going on there?— going on there? i think the challenge _ going on there? i think the challenge is _ going on there? i think the challenge is for— going on there? i think the challenge is for everton i going on there? i think the i challenge is for everton that they have committed _ challenge is for everton that they have committed to _ challenge is for everton that they have committed to buying - challenge is for everton that they have committed to buying a - challenge is for everton that they have committed to buying a newl have committed to buying a new stadium. — have committed to buying a new stadium. some— have committed to buying a new stadium, some of— have committed to buying a new stadium, some of the _ have committed to buying a new stadium, some of the lenders i have committed to buying a new. stadium, some of the lenders have said that _ stadium, some of the lenders have said that there _ stadium, some of the lenders have said that there is _ stadium, some of the lenders have said that there is a _ stadium, some of the lenders have said that there is a relegation - said that there is a relegation clause. — said that there is a relegation clause, which— said that there is a relegation clause, which could _ said that there is a relegation clause, which could result- said that there is a relegation clause, which could result ini clause, which could result in everton— clause, which could result in everton effectively - clause, which could result in everton effectively being - clause, which could result in. everton effectively being called clause, which could result in- everton effectively being called in for a chat. — everton effectively being called in fora chat. and— everton effectively being called in fora chat, and i— everton effectively being called in for a chat, and i don't— everton effectively being called in for a chat, and i don't think- everton effectively being called in for a chat, and i don't think that. for a chat, and i don't think that chat— for a chat, and i don't think that chat is— for a chat, and i don't think that chat is going _ for a chat, and i don't think that chat is going to— for a chat, and i don't think that chat is going to be _ for a chat, and i don't think that chat is going to be very- for a chat, and i don't think that. chat is going to be very pleasant, so there — chat is going to be very pleasant, so there are _ chat is going to be very pleasant, so there are genuine _ chat is going to be very pleasant, so there are genuine concerns . chat is going to be very pleasant, i so there are genuine concerns about the ability— so there are genuine concerns about the ability of — so there are genuine concerns about the ability of the _ so there are genuine concerns about the ability of the club _ so there are genuine concerns about the ability of the club to _ so there are genuine concerns about the ability of the club to fund - so there are genuine concerns about the ability of the club to fund the - the ability of the club to fund the debt _ the ability of the club to fund the debt they— the ability of the club to fund the debt. they have _ the ability of the club to fund the debt. they have borrowed - the ability of the club to fund the debt. they have borrowed from i the ability of the club to fund the| debt. they have borrowed from a variety _ debt. they have borrowed from a variety of — debt. they have borrowed from a variety of sources, _ debt. they have borrowed from a variety of sources, they've - debt. they have borrowed from a variety of sources, they've got i variety of sources, they've got substantial _ variety of sources, they've got substantial outstanding - variety of sources, they've got substantial outstanding sums, variety of sources, they've got - substantial outstanding sums, and one of— substantial outstanding sums, and one of their— substantial outstanding sums, and one of their historic— substantial outstanding sums, and one of their historic benefactors, i one of their historic benefactors, was enough. _ one of their historic benefactors, was enough. has _ one of their historic benefactors, was enough, has had _ one of their historic benefactors, was enough, has had his- one of their historic benefactors, was enough, has had his assets. was enough, has had his assets frozen — was enough, has had his assets frozen by— was enough, has had his assets frozen by the _ was enough, has had his assets frozen by the uk _ was enough, has had his assets frozen by the uk government i was enough, has had his assetsl frozen by the uk government so was enough, has had his assets- frozen by the uk government so he can't _ frozen by the uk government so he can't put _ frozen by the uk government so he can't put money— frozen by the uk government so he can't put money in. _ frozen by the uk government so he can't put money in, so _ frozen by the uk government so he can't put money in, so they- frozen by the uk government so he can't put money in, so they are - can't put money in, so they are becoming — can't put money in, so they are becoming very— can't put money in, so they are becoming very reliant - can't put money in, so they are becoming very reliant on - can't put money in, so they are becoming very reliant on the i can't put money in, so they are - becoming very reliant on the present majority— becoming very reliant on the present majority shareholder— becoming very reliant on the present majority shareholder farhad - becoming very reliant on the presentj majority shareholder farhad moshiri. -- usmanov — majority shareholder farhad moshiri. -- usmanov and _ majority shareholder farhad moshiri. -- usmanov-— -- usmanov. and a brave effort is needed by — -- usmanov. and a brave effort is needed by all _ -- usmanov. and a brave effort is needed by all of _ -- usmanov. and a brave effort is needed by all of these _ -- usmanov. and a brave effort is needed by all of these clubs - -- usmanov. and a brave effort is needed by all of these clubs to . -- usmanov. and a brave effort is| needed by all of these clubs to get out of this. these games are really exciting to watch and just give people an idea who may not be

entirely conversant with it, they say it is the most lucrative game, i'm not sure if it is or not, but the play—off final to get into the top flight, caring, what a game that is? . . top flight, caring, what a game that is? , , .,, top flight, caring, what a game that is? , , . ., is? yes, it is the most lucrative came in is? yes, it is the most lucrative game in world _ is? yes, it is the most lucrative game in world football - is? yes, it is the most lucrative game in world football in - is? yes, it is the most lucrative game in world football in the i is? yes, it is the most lucrative - game in world football in the sense that if— game in world football in the sense that if you — game in world football in the sense that if you are — game in world football in the sense that if you are coventry _ game in world football in the sense that if you are coventry or- game in world football in the sense that if you are coventry or millwalll that if you are coventry or millwall or luton. — that if you are coventry or millwall or luton, middlesbrough, - that if you are coventry or millwall or luton, middlesbrough, playingl that if you are coventry or millwall. or luton, middlesbrough, playing in that match. — or luton, middlesbrough, playing in that match. you _ or luton, middlesbrough, playing in that match, you will— or luton, middlesbrough, playing in that match, you will be _ or luton, middlesbrough, playing in that match, you will be getting - that match, you will be getting about — that match, you will be getting about £8 — that match, you will be getting about £8 million _ that match, you will be getting about £8 million a _ that match, you will be getting about £8 million a year- that match, you will be getting about £8 million a year from i that match, you will be getting i about £8 million a year from the that match, you will be getting - about £8 million a year from the tv deal~ _ about £8 million a year from the tv deal~ that _ about £8 million a year from the tv deal~ that will — about £8 million a year from the tv deal. that will go _ about £8 million a year from the tv deal. that will go up _ about £8 million a year from the tv deal. that will go up to _ about £8 million a year from the tv deal. that will go up to a _ about £8 million a year from the tv deal. that will go up to a minimuml deal. that will go up to a minimum of £100 _ deal. that will go up to a minimum of £100 million— deal. that will go up to a minimum of £100 million in _ deal. that will go up to a minimum of £100 million in your _ deal. that will go up to a minimum of £100 million in your first - deal. that will go up to a minimum of £100 million in your first year. of £100 million in your first year in the _ of £100 million in your first year in the premier— of £100 million in your first year in the premier league _ of £100 million in your first year in the premier league and - of £100 million in your first year in the premier league and a - of £100 million in your first year- in the premier league and a minimum of £75_ in the premier league and a minimum of £75 million — in the premier league and a minimum of £75 million in — in the premier league and a minimum of £75 million in parachute _ in the premier league and a minimum of £75 million in parachute payments i of £75 million in parachute payments should _ of £75 million in parachute payments should you _ of £75 million in parachute payments should you be — of £75 million in parachute payments should you be immediately- of £75 million in parachute payments. should you be immediately relegated, so in that— should you be immediately relegated, so in that sense — should you be immediately relegated, so in that sense it— should you be immediately relegated, so in that sense it is— should you be immediately relegated, so in that sense it is worth _ should you be immediately relegated, so in that sense it is worth a - should you be immediately relegated, so in that sense it is worth a huge - so in that sense it is worth a huge amount— so in that sense it is worth a huge amount of— so in that sense it is worth a huge amount of money, _ so in that sense it is worth a huge amount of money, it _ so in that sense it is worth a huge amount of money, it is _ amount of money, it is transformative. - amount of money, it is transformative. the . amount of money, it is - transformative. the money amount of money, it is _ transformative. the money disappears very quickly. _ transformative. the money disappears very quickly. though. _ transformative. the money disappears very quickly, though, because - transformative. the money disappears very quickly, though, because it - very quickly, though, because it instantly— very quickly, though, because it instantly tends— very quickly, though, because it instantly tends to _ very quickly, though, because it instantly tends to be _ very quickly, though, because it instantly tends to be spent - very quickly, though, because it instantly tends to be spent as i very quickly, though, because itl instantly tends to be spent as far as most— instantly tends to be spent as far as most clubs _ instantly tends to be spent as far as most clubs are _ instantly tends to be spent as far as most clubs are concerned, - instantly tends to be spent as far as most clubs are concerned, in. as most clubs are concerned, in higher— as most clubs are concerned, in higher wages. _ as most clubs are concerned, in higherwages. in— as most clubs are concerned, in higher wages, in recruiting - as most clubs are concerned, ini higherwages, in recruiting more talent. _ higherwages, in recruiting more talent. we've _ higherwages, in recruiting more talent, we've seen— higherwages, in recruiting more talent, we've seen that - higherwages, in recruiting more talent, we've seen that with - higher wages, in recruiting morel talent, we've seen that with what has happened _ talent, we've seen that with what has happened at— talent, we've seen that with what has happened at nottingham - talent, we've seen that with what . has happened at nottingham forest, the club _ has happened at nottingham forest, the club was — has happened at nottingham forest, the club was promoted _ has happened at nottingham forest, the club was promoted and - has happened at nottingham forest, the club was promoted and bought i the club was promoted and bought players _ the club was promoted and bought players on — the club was promoted and bought players on the _ the club was promoted and bought players on the back— the club was promoted and bought players on the back of— the club was promoted and bought players on the back of that, - the club was promoted and bought players on the back of that, so, . the club was promoted and boughtj players on the back of that, so, sir alan _ players on the back of that, so, sir alan sugar—

players on the back of that, so, sir alan sugar refers _ players on the back of that, so, sir alan sugar refers to _ players on the back of that, so, sir alan sugar refers to as _ players on the back of that, so, sir alan sugar refers to as the - players on the back of that, so, sir alan sugar refers to as the prune i alan sugar refers to as the prune i'uice _ alan sugar refers to as the prune i'uice effect — alan sugar refers to as the prune i'uice effect in _ alan sugar refers to as the prune juice effect in the _ alan sugar refers to as the prune juice effect in the sense - alan sugar refers to as the prune juice effect in the sense that - juice effect in the sense that you've — juice effect in the sense that you've got _ juice effect in the sense that you've got more _ juice effect in the sense that you've got more money- juice effect in the sense that i you've got more money coming juice effect in the sense that - you've got more money coming in but it tends— you've got more money coming in but it tends to _ you've got more money coming in but it tends to go — you've got more money coming in but it tends to go straight _ you've got more money coming in but it tends to go straight through - you've got more money coming in but it tends to go straight through the - it tends to go straight through the system _ it tends to go straight through the system and — it tends to go straight through the system and straight _ it tends to go straight through the system and straight out _ it tends to go straight through the system and straight out again - it tends to go straight through the system and straight out again in. it tends to go straight through the i system and straight out again in the player— system and straight out again in the player costs~ — system and straight out again in the player costs-— player costs. yes! there are calls to net rid player costs. yes! there are calls to get rid of— player costs. yes! there are calls to get rid of relegation _ player costs. yes! there are calls to get rid of relegation and - player costs. yes! there are calls to get rid of relegation and have | player costs. yes! there are calls| to get rid of relegation and have a completely new system, from some? no, i think there are calls to get rid of— no, i think there are calls to get rid of parachute _ no, i think there are calls to get rid of parachute payments, - no, i think there are calls to get rid of parachute payments, andi no, i think there are calls to get. rid of parachute payments, and the purpose _ rid of parachute payments, and the purpose of — rid of parachute payments, and the purpose of a — rid of parachute payments, and the purpose of a parachute _ rid of parachute payments, and the purpose of a parachute payment i rid of parachute payments, and the purpose of a parachute payment is| purpose of a parachute payment is that because — purpose of a parachute payment is that because the _ purpose of a parachute payment is that because the gap _ purpose of a parachute payment is that because the gap between - purpose of a parachute payment is that because the gap between the| that because the gap between the premier— that because the gap between the premier league _ that because the gap between the premier league and... _ that because the gap between the premier league and... the - that because the gap between the premier league and... the idea i that because the gap between the| premier league and... the idea for the super— premier league and... the idea for the super league. _ premier league and... the idea for the super league, that _ premier league and... the idea for the super league, that is - premier league and... the idea for the super league, that is what - premier league and... the idea for the super league, that is what i. premier league and... the idea for. the super league, that is what i was referring _ the super league, that is what i was referring to. — the super league, that is what i was referring to, kind _ the super league, that is what i was referring to, kind of. _ the super league, that is what i was referring to, kind of. the— the super league, that is what i was referring to, kind of.— referring to, kind of. the idea was that they were _ referring to, kind of. the idea was that they were there _ referring to, kind of. the idea was that they were there for _ referring to, kind of. the idea was that they were there for keeps, i that they were there for keeps, those clubs, the controversial super league? those clubs, the controversial super leauue? . �* . those clubs, the controversial super leauue? . �*, ,, , league? that's right, the super leaaue league? that's right, the super league would — league? that's right, the super league would have _ league? that's right, the super league would have been - league? that's right, the super league would have been an - league? that's right, the super- league would have been an invitation only tournament _ league would have been an invitation only tournament. it _ league would have been an invitation only tournament. it certainly- league would have been an invitation only tournament. it certainly would i only tournament. it certainly would have been— only tournament. it certainly would have been very— only tournament. it certainly would have been very lucrative _ only tournament. it certainly would have been very lucrative for - only tournament. it certainly would have been very lucrative for those i have been very lucrative for those clubs _ have been very lucrative for those clubs who — have been very lucrative for those clubs who were _ have been very lucrative for those clubs who were participating, - have been very lucrative for those clubs who were participating, i. clubs who were participating, i think— clubs who were participating, i think it — clubs who were participating, i think it would _ clubs who were participating, i think it would have _ clubs who were participating, i think it would have taken - clubs who were participating, i think it would have taken away clubs who were participating, i i think it would have taken away a huge _ think it would have taken away a huge amount— think it would have taken away a huge amount of— think it would have taken away a huge amount of the _ think it would have taken away a huge amount of the excitementl think it would have taken away a - huge amount of the excitement that we presently— huge amount of the excitement that we presently see _ huge amount of the excitement that we presently see as _ huge amount of the excitement that we presently see as far— huge amount of the excitement that we presently see as far as _ huge amount of the excitement that we presently see as far as the - we presently see as far as the football— we presently see as far as the football system _ we presently see as far as the football system is _ we presently see as far as the football system is concerned, | football system is concerned, because — football system is concerned, because you _ football system is concerned, because you could _ football system is concerned, because you could end - football system is concerned, because you could end up - football system is concerned, i because you could end up with a chelsea — because you could end up with a chelsea being _ because you could end up with a chelsea being relegated - because you could end up with a chelsea being relegated from i because you could end up with al chelsea being relegated from the premier— chelsea being relegated from the premier league _ chelsea being relegated from the premier league but _ chelsea being relegated from the premier league but they- chelsea being relegated from the premier league but they would i chelsea being relegated from the i premier league but they would still be part— premier league but they would still be part of— premier league but they would still be part of the — premier league but they would still be part of the super— premier league but they would still be part of the super league, - premier league but they would still be part of the super league, eveni

premier league but they would stilli be part of the super league, even in the new— be part of the super league, even in the new proposals— be part of the super league, even in the new proposals for— be part of the super league, even in the new proposals for the _ be part of the super league, even in the new proposals for the super- the new proposals for the super league — the new proposals for the super league that _ the new proposals for the super league that we _ the new proposals for the super league that we are _ the new proposals for the super league that we are seeing - the new proposals for the super. league that we are seeing leaking out, league that we are seeing leaking out. it— league that we are seeing leaking out. it would _ league that we are seeing leaking out, it would be _ league that we are seeing leaking out, it would be four _ league that we are seeing leaking out, it would be four divisions, . league that we are seeing leakingl out, it would be four divisions, so, should _ out, it would be four divisions, so, should leicester— out, it would be four divisions, so, should leicester city— out, it would be four divisions, so, should leicester city win _ out, it would be four divisions, so, should leicester city win the - should leicester city win the premier— should leicester city win the premier league _ should leicester city win the premier league again, - should leicester city win the premier league again, theyl should leicester city win the - premier league again, they would start in— premier league again, they would start in division— premier league again, they would start in division four— premier league again, they would start in division four of _ premier league again, they would start in division four of the - premier league again, they would start in division four of the super. start in division four of the super league _ start in division four of the super league project. _ start in division four of the super league project, and _ start in division four of the super league project, and there - start in division four of the super league project, and there would| start in division four of the super. league project, and there would be very little _ league project, and there would be very little money— league project, and there would be very little money in _ league project, and there would be very little money in that. _ league project, and there would be very little money in that. so - league project, and there would be very little money in that. so it - very little money in that. so it would — very little money in that. so it would effectively _ very little money in that. so it would effectively reinforce - very little money in that. so it would effectively reinforce ani would effectively reinforce an ring-fence _ would effectively reinforce an ring—fence the _ would effectively reinforce an ring—fence the existing - would effectively reinforce an ring—fence the existing gapsi would effectively reinforce an - ring—fence the existing gaps that exist— ring—fence the existing gaps that exist within — ring—fence the existing gaps that exist within football, _ ring—fence the existing gaps that exist within football, which - ring—fence the existing gaps that exist within football, which are i exist within football, which are already— exist within football, which are already very _ exist within football, which are already very huge _ exist within football, which are already very huge financially. i exist within football, which are . already very huge financially. titan already very huge financially. alan in oldham, _ already very huge financially. alan in oldham, oldham _ already very huge financially. ailiii in oldham, oldham athletic, already very huge financially.- in oldham, oldham athletic, founder member of the... what were they found members of, alan? the member of the. .. what were they found members of, alan? the premier leaaue. found members of, alan? the premier league- were — found members of, alan? the premier league- were they _ found members of, alan? the premier league. were they not _ found members of, alan? the premier league. were they not around - found members of, alan? the premier league. were they not around right. league. were they not around right at the inception _ league. were they not around right at the inception of _ league. were they not around right at the inception of the _ league. were they not around right at the inception of the whole - at the inception of the whole football league, or am i getting confused? , ., confused? they were the founder members of _ confused? they were the founder members of the _ confused? they were the founder members of the premier - confused? they were the founder members of the premier league, confused? they were the founder - members of the premier league, they were in there for the first two years before they got relegated. and they have gone all the way down to they have gone all the way down to the national league now. find they have gone all the way down to the national league now. and again, ou've had the national league now. and again,

you've had some _ the national league now. and again, you've had some great _ the national league now. and again, you've had some great players - the national league now. and again, you've had some great players over i you've had some great players over the years. what has thatjourney been like? the years. what has that 'ourney been like? ., , the years. what has that 'ourney been like?— the years. what has that 'ourney been like? ., , . ., ., ., been like? horrible. we have had a succession — been like? horrible. we have had a succession of _ been like? horrible. we have had a succession of bad _ been like? horrible. we have had a succession of bad owners, - been like? horrible. we have had a succession of bad owners, we've i succession of bad owners, we've never, we've only finished in the play—off places twice, we've just had no success whatsoever. it's been drizzle. and i'm sure kevin maguire has done reports on oldham in the past on the financial situations. ikla past on the financial situations. no doubt he has, but why don't you just give up and support manchester united? ikla give up and support manchester united? ., . . . give up and support manchester united? ., . ., . ., ., ., united? no chance. i am a great believer of _ united? no chance. i am a great believer of supporting _ united? no chance. i am a great believer of supporting your - united? no chance. i am a great believer of supporting your local| believer of supporting your local club. oldham athletic fans aren't overly keen on manchester united. along with the leads fans and all that. ~ . ., , along with the leads fans and all that. . ., ., , ., along with the leads fans and all that. . . ., , ., ., that. we have actually got a new owner who _ that. we have actually got a new owner who is _ that. we have actually got a new owner who is from _ that. we have actually got a new owner who is from oldham - that. we have actually got a new owner who is from oldham nowi that. we have actually got a new i owner who is from oldham now and that. we have actually got a new - owner who is from oldham now and he is putting a lot of hope into the club. .. , is putting a lot of hope into the club. , �* . is putting a lot of hope into the club, , �* . ,, ., “ club. sad times. becky in stoke, stoke city fan. — club. sad times. becky in stoke,

stoke city fan, sad _ club. sad times. becky in stoke, stoke city fan, sad times? - club. sad times. becky in stoke, stoke city fan, sad times? yes, | stoke city fan, sad times? yes, we're kind _ stoke city fan, sad times? yes, we're kind of— stoke city fan, sad times? yes, we're kind of used _ stoke city fan, sad times? yes, we're kind of used it _ stoke city fan, sad times? yes, we're kind of used it now. - stoke city fan, sad times? yes, we're kind of used it now. it. stoke city fan, sad times? yes, | we're kind of used it now. it has 'ust we're kind of used it now. it has just been— we're kind of used it now. it has just been a _ we're kind of used it now. it has just been a steady decline since we -ot just been a steady decline since we got relegated from the premier league. — got relegated from the premier league, and then the change in the managers. — league, and then the change in the managers, obviously they're stuck with the _ managers, obviously they're stuck with the previous manager's players, the owners— with the previous manager's players, the owners got it wrong with sacking the owners got it wrong with sacking the manager this time because they waited. _ the manager this time because they waited, they let o'neill to loads of players _ waited, they let o'neill to loads of players in — waited, they let o'neill to loads of players in the transfer window and then brought alex neill in a week before _ then brought alex neill in a week before the window closed and he was stuck with _ before the window closed and he was stuck with that squad. the loan players — stuck with that squad. the loan players have made a difference in january— players have made a difference in january but they are all going back now. _ january but they are all going back now. so— january but they are all going back now. so it — january but they are all going back now. so it is — january but they are all going back now, so it is going to be a massive rebuild _ now, so it is going to be a massive rebuild again, we say it every year, but this— rebuild again, we say it every year, but this summer is crucial.- but this summer is crucial. listen, i will tell you _ but this summer is crucial. listen, i will tell you what, _ but this summer is crucial. listen, i will tell you what, there - but this summer is crucial. listen, i will tell you what, there is - but this summer is crucial. listen, i will tell you what, there is a - i will tell you what, there is a term coming through this morning and it is a tone of resignation. normally with phone—ins, people have got reviews... there is a lot of... oh, dear.

got reviews. .. there is a lot of... oh. dear-— oh, dear. just glad the season is over, oh, dear. just glad the season is over. nicky- _ oh, dear. just glad the season is over. nicky- lt— oh, dear. just glad the season is over, nicky. it has— oh, dear. just glad the season is over, nicky. it has been - oh, dear. just glad the season is over, nicky. it has been the - oh, dear. just glad the season is| over, nicky. it has been the worst one since — over, nicky. it has been the worst one since we _ over, nicky. it has been the worst one since we come down, this one. it's one since we come down, this one. it's been _ one since we come down, this one. it's been really tough for stoke fans~ _ it's been really tough for stoke fans. ~ , ., ,. it's been really tough for stoke fans. ~ , ., , ., it's been really tough for stoke fans. ~ , , ., , fans. why do you still love it, why do ou fans. why do you still love it, why do you still _ fans. why do you still love it, why do you still love _ fans. why do you still love it, why do you still love them? _ fans. why do you still love it, why do you still love them? so, - fans. why do you still love it, why do you still love them? so, i - fans. why do you still love it, why do you still love them? so, i am i j do you still love them? so, i am i down's only _ do you still love them? so, i am i down's only child, _ do you still love them? so, i am i down's only child, he _ do you still love them? so, i am i down's only child, he originally i down's only child, he originally wanted — down's only child, he originally wanted a — down's only child, he originally wanted a boy, he was stuck with a -irl wanted a boy, he was stuck with a girl but _ wanted a boy, he was stuck with a girl but he — wanted a boy, he was stuck with a girl but he was determined to get me into football, took me at three years— into football, took me at three years old. _ into football, took me at three years old, i fell in love with it and _ years old, i fell in love with it and i— years old, i fell in love with it and i haven't missed a season since, 37 now _ and i haven't missed a season since, 37 now. ., and i haven't missed a season since, 37 now, ., ., and i haven't missed a season since, 37 now. ., ., ., and i haven't missed a season since, 37 now-_ 37- i and i haven't missed a season since, 37 now-_ 37- 37 now. so, how hold are you? 37. so it has been — 37 now. so, how hold are you? 37. so it has been a — 37 now. so, how hold are you? 37. so it has been a long _ 37 now. so, how hold are you? 37. so it has been a long time. _ 37 now. so, how hold are you? 37. so it has been a long time. i _ 37 now. so, how hold are you? 37. so it has been a long time. i thought - it has been a long time. i thought you said 87 at one point! how much do they mean to you? filth. you said 87 at one point! how much do they mean to you? oh, everything. i will be honest _ do they mean to you? oh, everything. i will be honest with _ do they mean to you? oh, everything. i will be honest with you _ do they mean to you? oh, everything. i will be honest with you i _ do they mean to you? oh, everything. i will be honest with you i did - i will be honest with you i did consider— i will be honest with you i did consider not renewing for the first time _ consider not renewing for the first time this— consider not renewing for the first time this new season, but i know, when _ time this new season, but i know, when august comes around and it's

the first— when august comes around and it's the first fixture, i would miss it. so, the first fixture, i would miss it. so. i_ the first fixture, i would miss it. so, i wouldn't say i would never tell my — so, i wouldn't say i would never tell my back on the club, but it is very— tell my back on the club, but it is very testing times.— tell my back on the club, but it is very testing times. andy in reading, would ou very testing times. andy in reading, would you ever _ very testing times. andy in reading, would you ever turn _ very testing times. andy in reading, would you ever turn your— very testing times. andy in reading, would you ever turn your back - very testing times. andy in reading, would you ever turn your back on . would you ever turn your back on your club, would you ever turn your back on yourclub, reading? would you ever turn your back on your club, reading?— would you ever turn your back on your club, reading? never, nicky. what keeps— your club, reading? never, nicky. what keeps you — your club, reading? never, nicky. what keeps you going? _ your club, reading? never, nicky. what keeps you going? well, - your club, reading? never, nicky. what keeps you going? well, i've| what keeps you going? well, i've been going _ what keeps you going? well, i've been going since _ what keeps you going? well, i've been going since i _ what keeps you going? well, i've been going since i was _ what keeps you going? well, i've been going since i was eight - what keeps you going? well, i've| been going since i was eight years old, used to crawl under the turnstiles, and then we didn't have to pay to get in. we've had to don the jaykae, who was a great chairman —— sirjohn majestic, into the new stadium, which has now got a totally different name, a car leasing company now has got the naming rights and everything else. —— sir

john madjeski. we have had a torrid time with owners, as everybody has said. but we were put into a situation by the that we had to be financially responsible decision, which was an impossible task, because as a club we have still got players who are on £30,000 a week contracts, which we could never afford anyway, but they were brought in by previous managers, owners, or whatever. we go, i take my disabled friend every saturday, we watch, we hope that they are going to do well, but you can see, as the game is going on, that it's not looking good. but the thing is, we've got agents, we've got other members of the football fraternity which. .. listen, i'm hearing it, and we have got to leave it, but what i've heard this morning has been quite

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