one transfer of power. images to last the ages. but swap the cloaks and baubles for the ballot box, and are we living through another one? labour is winning this race, taking councils and seats all over england. sir keir starmer claimed this. make no mistake. this means that we are on course for a labour majority at the next election. three, two, one... the lib dems scooping up seats as well. many more than they'd hoped. the greens also profiting at tory failures. so, a lonely—looking prime minister the morning after a dreadful night. what people want us to do is focus

on their priorities — halving inflation, growing the economy, reducing debt, cutting waiting lists and stopping the boats. those are the country's priorities. confirmation at the real polls in town after town that the conservatives are in deep, deep trouble. a tall order to avoid rishi sunak becoming the next one tojoin this procession. so, this morning, we have one big question. what comes next? and after all those losses. the culture secretary, lucy frazer, has the perhaps uneviable job of representing the conservatives after all those losses. a chipper wes streeting, the shadow health secretary joins us for labour. and new zealand's prime minister, chris hipkins, raced here from the abbey. we talk royals, reparations, and — believe it or not — sausage rolls. more on that later. with me, a grinning ed davey, the leader of the liberal democrats, fresh from election success.

mirror editor alison phillips and cambridge professorjason arday. morning, morning. warm welcome. now, we might not have any cloaks or crowns, or pomp or pageantry here this morning but we will have a lot of fun — and we can show you that, it's all over the front pages. there you have it. the sunday times, the mirror and the front of the mail on sunday is claiming the king is saying, the look that says, darling it was a triumph. another set of papers, happy and glorious. and we can show you this is how buckingham palace looks this morning.

it does look a bit morning after the night before. a very warm welcome to our panel. alison, you were there yesterday. what will stay with you from it, do you think? this sounds really silly. — from it, do you think? this sounds really silly. but — from it, do you think? this sounds really silly, but the _ from it, do you think? this sounds really silly, but the glittering - from it, do you think? this sounds really silly, but the glittering s - really silly, but the glittering s of the crowns was the most shocking of the crowns was the most shocking of the crowns was the most shocking of the whole thing. they sparkled, and there was the role that the children played was really beautiful. and then i think the other thing is the real seriousness behind it all, in that we have seen weddings which are reallyjoyful, we have seen the queen's funeral which was terribly sad, but this was something unlike any of us have seen before, but there was a real seriousness and religiousness about it, which was unusual. did seriousness and religiousness about it, which was unusual.— it, which was unusual. did that surrise it, which was unusual. did that surprise you? _ it, which was unusual. did that surprise you? it _ it, which was unusual. did that surprise you? it did, _ it, which was unusual. did that surprise you? it did, and - it, which was unusual. did that surprise you? it did, and it - it, which was unusual. did that| surprise you? it did, and it was very much _ surprise you? it did, and it was very much the _ surprise you? it did, and it was very much the church - surprise you? it did, and it was very much the church of - surprise you? it did, and it was i very much the church of england. surprise you? it did, and it was - very much the church of england. it was in many ways quite a diverse

event, but the bottom line was this was a church of england, this was between one man and his god. {guild between one man and his god. could reall be between one man and his god. could really be a diverse _ between one man and his god. could really be a diverse event? _ between one man and his god. could really be a diverse event? we - between one man and his god. could really be a diverse event? we know the archbishop of canterbury and the palace said they were trying very hard to make it more inclusive and to make it less refined, to bring everybody into it, butjason, when you are watching it, did you feel that? i you are watching it, did you feel that? 4' you are watching it, did you feel that? ~ ., .,. ., that? i think on the face of it, there were — that? i think on the face of it, there were a _ that? i think on the face of it, there were a lot _ that? i think on the face of it, there were a lot of— that? i think on the face of it, there were a lot of pointers i that? i think on the face of it, | there were a lot of pointers or markers — there were a lot of pointers or markers that demonstrated diversity, and showed significant difference in terms _ and showed significant difference in terms of— and showed significant difference in terms of what has happened over the last 70 _ terms of what has happened over the last 70 years in terms of the coronation in 1953 and where we are in 2025 _ coronation in 1953 and where we are in 2025 but— coronation in 1953 and where we are in 2023. but what i would say is that that — in 2023. but what i would say is that that in _ in 2023. but what i would say is that that in and of itself as alison has pointed to was a very christian service, _ has pointed to was a very christian service, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. — service, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but in terms of the multi—faith aspect and multi—faith in society, — multi—faith aspect and multi—faith in society, but didn't represent the reality _ in society, but didn't represent the reali . �* , ., _ in society, but didn't represent the reali . �* , ., reality. and it is easy to get carried away, _ reality. and it is easy to get carried away, and _ reality. and it is easy to get carried away, and there - reality. and it is easy to get l carried away, and there were reality. and it is easy to get - carried away, and there were people

who went to the mall to celebrate, but there were also those who went to protest, and that at a protest in trafalgar square, it appears some people were arrested for quite a peaceful protest. do you think that that was appropriate? in peaceful protest. do you think that that was appropriate?— that was appropriate? in terms of the appmpriate — that was appropriate? in terms of the appropriate see, _ that was appropriate? in terms of the appropriate see, i _ that was appropriate? in terms of the appropriate see, i think - that was appropriate? in terms of the appropriate see, i think no. . that was appropriate? in terms of the appropriate see, i think no. i | the appropriate see, i think no. i think— the appropriate see, i think no. i think what— the appropriate see, i think no. i think what we are beginning to see is an infringement on our ability to have _ is an infringement on our ability to have free — is an infringement on our ability to have free speech, and i think that was a _ have free speech, and i think that was a peaceful protest and to be quite _ was a peaceful protest and to be quite honest, and without surprise, ithink— quite honest, and without surprise, i think the — quite honest, and without surprise, i think the police's reaction to that— i think the police's reaction to that particular situation was pretty heavy— handed. that particular situation was pretty heavy—handed. and rather heavy— handed. and rather unnecessary, heavy—handed. and rather unnecessary, in my belief. ed, heavy-handed. and rather unnecessary, in my belief. ed, what did ou unnecessary, in my belief. ed, what did you make _ unnecessary, in my belief. ed, what did you make of— unnecessary, in my belief. ed, what did you make of it? _ unnecessary, in my belief. ed, what did you make of it? the _ unnecessary, in my belief. ed, what did you make of it? the tradition . unnecessary, in my belief. ed, what did you make of it? the tradition of| did you make of it? the tradition of the coronation _ did you make of it? the tradition of the coronation was _ did you make of it? the tradition of the coronation was fantastic, - did you make of it? the tradition of the coronation was fantastic, and l did you make of it? the tradition of. the coronation was fantastic, and we all rejoice _ the coronation was fantastic, and we all rejoice in— the coronation was fantastic, and we all rejoice in that, _ the coronation was fantastic, and we all rejoice in that, and _ the coronation was fantastic, and we all rejoice in that, and as— all rejoice in that, and as monarchists _ all rejoice in that, and as monarchists we - all rejoice in that, and as. monarchists we celebrated all rejoice in that, and as- monarchists we celebrated that. all rejoice in that, and as— monarchists we celebrated that. that is a british— monarchists we celebrated that. that is a british tradition. _ monarchists we celebrated that. that is a british tradition. but _ monarchists we celebrated that. that is a british tradition. but there - monarchists we celebrated that. that is a british tradition. but there is - is a british tradition. but there is another— is a british tradition. but there is another british— is a british tradition. but there is another british tradition, - is a british tradition. but there is another british tradition, the - is a british tradition. but there isl another british tradition, the right to protest. — another british tradition, the right to protest. and _ another british tradition, the right to protest, and we don't- another british tradition, the right to protest, and we don't want- another british tradition, the right| to protest, and we don't want that to protest, and we don't want that to he _ to protest, and we don't want that to he lost — to protest, and we don't want that to he lost i— to protest, and we don't want that to be lost. i don't _ to protest, and we don't want that to be lost. i don't know— to protest, and we don't want that to be lost. i don't know the - to protest, and we don't want that to be lost. i don't know the exactl to be lost. i don't know the exact reason _ to be lost. i don't know the exact reason why— to be lost. i don't know the exact reason why the _ to be lost. i don't know the exact reason why the police _ to be lost. i don't know the exact reason why the police arrested i to be lost. i don't know the exact - reason why the police arrested those people. _ reason why the police arrested those people. i_ reason why the police arrested those people. i don't— reason why the police arrested those people, i don't know— reason why the police arrested those people, i don't know if— reason why the police arrested those people, i don't know if we _ reason why the police arrested those people, i don't know if we have - people, i don't know if we have

clarification _ people, i don't know if we have clarification on _ people, i don't know if we have clarification on that, _ people, i don't know if we have clarification on that, but - people, i don't know if we have clarification on that, but i- people, i don't know if we have clarification on that, but i holdl clarification on that, but i hold the government— clarification on that, but i hold the government responsible. i clarification on that, but i hold i the government responsible. the conservative _ the government responsible. the conservative government - the government responsible. the conservative government has- the government responsible. the. conservative government has been passing _ conservative government has been passing legislation— conservative government has been passing legislation to _ conservative government has been passing legislation to clamp - conservative government has been passing legislation to clamp downl conservative government has been. passing legislation to clamp down on british— passing legislation to clamp down on british liberties, _ passing legislation to clamp down on british liberties, and _ passing legislation to clamp down on british liberties, and they— passing legislation to clamp down on british liberties, and they have - passing legislation to clamp down on british liberties, and they have a - british liberties, and they have a lotto _ british liberties, and they have a lotto answer _ british liberties, and they have a lot to answer for. _ british liberties, and they have a lot to answer for. i— british liberties, and they have a lot to answer for.— lot to answer for. i think we can show the _ lot to answer for. i think we can show the viewer _ lot to answer for. i think we can show the viewer is _ lot to answer for. i think we can show the viewer is a _ lot to answer for. i think we can show the viewer is a shot - lot to answer for. i think we can show the viewer is a shot of - lot to answer for. i think we can j show the viewer is a shot of you sitting chatting to sir keir starmer in the pews at westminster abbey. what were are to talking about? the coronation, and the music. the music was fantastic — coronation, and the music. the music was fantastic. when _ coronation, and the music. the music was fantastic. when sir— coronation, and the music. the music was fantastic. when sir bryn - coronation, and the music. the music was fantastic. when sir bryn terfel. was fantastic. when sir bryn terfel sang, _ was fantastic. when sir bryn terfel sang, and — was fantastic. when sir bryn terfel sang, and i— was fantastic. when sir bryn terfel sang, and i could _ was fantastic. when sir bryn terfel sang, and i could almost _ was fantastic. when sir bryn terfel sang, and i could almost touch- was fantastic. when sir bryn terfel. sang, and i could almost touch him, he was _ sang, and i could almost touch him, he was singing — sang, and i could almost touch him, he was singing kyrie _ sang, and i could almost touch him, he was singing kyrie eleison - sang, and i could almost touch him, he was singing kyrie eleison in - he was singing kyrie eleison in welsh — he was singing kyrie eleison in welsh for— he was singing kyrie eleison in welsh for the _ he was singing kyrie eleison in welsh for the first _ he was singing kyrie eleison in welsh for the first time - he was singing kyrie eleison in welsh for the first time ever, i he was singing kyrie eleison in i welsh for the first time ever, and it was— welsh for the first time ever, and it was very— welsh for the first time ever, and it was very moving. _ welsh for the first time ever, and it was very moving. i _ welsh for the first time ever, and it was very moving.— it was very moving. i will ask you more about _ it was very moving. i will ask you more about that _ it was very moving. i will ask you more about that later. _ it was very moving. i will ask you more about that later. stay - it was very moving. i will ask you more about that later. stay with | it was very moving. i will ask you i more about that later. stay with us, plenty ahead. by early friday morning, with losses stacking up, it was obvious the tories were having a very bad night. the prime minister was asked

aboutwhat was happening at tory hq. we are making progress in areas like bassetlaw, peterborough, sandwell, but the message i am hearing from people tonight as they want us to focus on their priorities and deliver for them, focus on their priorities and deliverfor them, and focus on their priorities and deliver for them, and that is about halving inflation, growing the economy, reducing debt, cutting waiting lists and stopping the boats. the progress he was talking about? that progress rishi sunak talked about — they added one councillor in peterborough, four in bassetlaw, and two in sandwell. none of those councils are under conservative control. and the results got worse for the party through the day. in the end the conservatives lost more than 1,000 seats — the worst end of expectations. labour won an extra 500, the lib dems more than 400 and the greens almost 250 — good performances all round. the culture secretary, lucy frazer, is here. welcome. it is great to have you here for the first time. we just heard rishi sunak responding to

really heavy losses by just repeating his five pledges that he makes again and again. does he get the scale of the problem? i makes again and again. does he get the scale of the problem?— the scale of the problem? i think so. i the scale of the problem? i think so- i think _ the scale of the problem? i think so. i think he _ the scale of the problem? i think so. i think he also _ so. i think he also said, recognising it is so sad to see so many councillors lose, whatever party they are from, hard—working councillors across the country. i think we absolutely recognise that we need to take action and deliver. but let's just look at the context in which those local elections took place. we have been in powerfor13 years. we'vejust place. we have been in powerfor13 years. we've just come out of a pandemic that has affected everybody�*s life and is affecting the cost of living. we are still at war in ukraine and supporting ukraine. and so the prime minister is focusing quite rightly, and what he has heard over the last six months of what i have heard on the doorstep about what people want us to deliver, and that is what people want us to deliver. they want us to cut inflation and do those of the things that he talked about. except

those of the _ things that he talked about. except those of the same _ things that he talked about. except those of the same things _ things that he talked about. except those of the same things he - things that he talked about. except those of the same things he has i things that he talked about. except i those of the same things he has been saying for months, and you saw very clearly voters around the country, no doubt many viewers this morning, saying we don't buy it, we don't want that, we rejected.- saying we don't buy it, we don't want that, we rejected. want that, we re'ected. what the voters need — want that, we re'ected. what the voters need to — want that, we rejected. what the voters need to see _ want that, we rejected. what the voters need to see is _ want that, we rejected. what the voters need to see is us - want that, we rejected. what the voters need to see is us deliver. want that, we rejected. what the l voters need to see is us deliver on those priorities. we have started on inflation, because that is coming down. what i have heard on the doorstep, and you know i have been knocking doors... it is doorstep, and you knowl have been knocking doors. . ._ knocking doors... it is at 1096, inflation- _ knocking doors. .. it is at 1096, inflation. n— knocking doors... it is at 1096, inflation. it is _ knocking doors... it is at 1096, inflation. it is on _ knocking doors. .. it is at 1096, inflation. it is on track- knocking doors... it is at 1096, inflation. it is on track to - knocking doors... it is at 1096, | inflation. it is on track to come down, inflation. it is on track to come down. and _ inflation. it is on track to come down. and we _ inflation. it is on track to come down, and we need _ inflation. it is on track to come down, and we need to - inflation. it is on track to come down, and we need to deliver. inflation. it is on track to come i down, and we need to deliver on those things, and i think when people see us delivering, we will regain the trust of the british people. we could also say, because you have talked about the great successes of labour and the lib dems. they didn't actually do as well as the polls had suggested. fiend well as the polls had suggested. and well as the polls had suggested. and we will talk to them about their performance later, but we are beginning by talking to you about your performance. it sounds like you are not really going to change anything you're doing, so what you are saying is what we need to do is keep the promises that we've made. when you lose more than a thousand

councillors, isn't it a moment to reflect on it a bit more than that rather than just saying, here are the five things we promised, and we hope if we keep saying them, everything will be ok? we hope if we keep saying them, everything will be ok? we absolutely need to reflect. _ everything will be ok? we absolutely need to reflect. rishi _ everything will be ok? we absolutely need to reflect. rishi has _ everything will be ok? we absolutely need to reflect. rishi has only - everything will be ok? we absolutely need to reflect. rishi has only been l need to reflect. rishi has only been the prime minister for six need to reflect. rishi has only been the prime ministerfor six months. it is not five minutes, it is six months. �* . it is not five minutes, it is six months. �* , ., it is not five minutes, it is six months-— months. but these are huge challenges. _ months. but these are huge challenges. they _ months. but these are huge challenges. they are - months. but these are huge - challenges. they are challenges countries are facing internationally, and i must say, having knocked on doors throughout the local election campaign, i have seen a changing mood of the british people. it is very difficult at the beginning of the campaign, but slowly beginning to give the government and rishi credit. you started by kicking at more than a thousand councillors. i’m started by kicking at more than a thousand councillors.— started by kicking at more than a thousand councillors. i'm not going to retend thousand councillors. i'm not going to pretend that _ thousand councillors. i'm not going to pretend that wasn't _ thousand councillors. i'm not going to pretend that wasn't a _ thousand councillors. i'm not going to pretend that wasn't a difficult. to pretend that wasn't a difficult result. you mention some of those areas, peterborough is close to me, and fenland had successes. i was a lib dem target, but we held the council. so there are some councils up council. so there are some councils up and down the country that have

done 0k. up and down the country that have done ok. i up and down the country that have done 0k. ., ., , ._ i. ., up and down the country that have done 0k. ., ., , i. ., ., done ok. i want to play you at our viewers this _ done ok. i want to play you at our viewers this morning _ done ok. i want to play you at our viewers this morning what - done ok. i want to play you at our viewers this morning what some l done ok. i want to play you at our| viewers this morning what some of your councillors were saying to us on election night around the country. let's have a listen. the prime minister and chancellor. and the rest of the government need to bring out a positive agenda that people are prepared to support. i it was all to do with government issues. locally we were getting very positive feedback. but people have concerns with cost of living, the fuel, the prices, their mortgage, immigration, and they feel like the government isn't actually on their side. and i'm saying that as a conservative. we have done a good job. we have really looked after our electorate. i we're building more- and more affordable homes, we've built council houses, we're really trying to look. after everyone in our district. but unfortunately, on a national level, we've been let down. - you've let down your councillors around the country, one of them said, i am a conservative and we have been let down. irate said, i am a conservative and we have been let down.—

said, i am a conservative and we have been let down. we need to do more. we have been let down. we need to do more- we need _ have been let down. we need to do more. we need to _ have been let down. we need to do more. we need to do _ have been let down. we need to do more. we need to do and _ have been let down. we need to do more. we need to do and deliver, l have been let down. we need to do i more. we need to do and deliver, and we are delivering. we held a difficult council... i we are delivering. we held a difficult council. . ._ we are delivering. we held a difficult council... i am talking about the _ difficult council. .. i am talking about the national— difficult council... i am talking about the national picture, - difficult council... i am talking | about the national picture, and difficult council... i am talking i about the national picture, and it is grim and people are not convinced that rishi sunak is the man who can keep the promises that he makes. well, i have seen in cabinet, i've worked with him for a year in the treasury and i have seen he is a man capable of delivering, and he is delivering, we talked about inflation, cutting the debt, we have seen action on small boats. seen waiting lists cut in the nhs. plenty of waitinu waiting lists cut in the nhs. plenty of waiting lists _ waiting lists cut in the nhs. plenty of waiting lists are _ waiting lists cut in the nhs. plenty of waiting lists are going _ waiting lists cut in the nhs. plenty of waiting lists are going the - waiting lists cut in the nhs. plenty of waiting lists are going the wrong way. in of waiting lists are going the wrong wa . ., ., ., ,., of waiting lists are going the wrong wa. ., ., ., of waiting lists are going the wrong wa . ., ., ., ., ., way. in order for labour to win at the general _ way. in order for labour to win at the general election, _ way. in order for labour to win at the general election, historically| the general election, historically they would have to be ahead by eight... they would have to be ahead by eiuht... ., , eight... can i 'ust make the point, i'm eight... can i 'ust make the point, rm asking — eight... can ijust make the point, i'm asking you _ eight... can ijust make the point, i'm asking you about _ eight... can ijust make the point, i'm asking you about what - eight... can ijust make the point, i'm asking you about what is - eight... can ijust make the point, j i'm asking you about what is going on with the conservatives, and listening to you this morning, listening to you this morning, listening to you this morning, listening to the prime minister on friday morning, ijust wonder if a lot of viewers will think, they

don't get our mood. they don't get what is going on in the country. people have been turning away from you insignificant number. i people have been turning away from you insignificant number.— you insignificant number. i think that would _ you insignificant number. i think that would be _ you insignificant number. i think that would be totally _ you insignificant number. i think that would be totally wrong - you insignificant number. i think that would be totally wrong if i you insignificant number. i think. that would be totally wrong if they thought that. we have heard what peoplemy concerns are. so thought that. we have heard what peoplemy concerns are.— thought that. we have heard what peoplemy concerns are. so what are ou iioin peoplemy concerns are. so what are you going to — peoplemy concerns are. so what are you going to change? _ peoplemy concerns are. so what are you going to change? when - peoplemy concerns are. so what are you going to change? when i - peoplemy concerns are. so what are you going to change? when i knock| peoplemy concerns are. so what are i you going to change? when i knock on doors, the you going to change? when i knock on doors. the thing _ you going to change? when i knock on doors, the thing that _ you going to change? when i knock on doors, the thing that people _ you going to change? when i knock on doors, the thing that people care i doors, the thing that people care about how they're going to cope with the day—to—day cost of living. the average person is getting help of around £3000. it is still challenging, i know it is, but we are listening, and those of the major things that we are doing. and i do think, because i did see a shift in the course of my campaign, i did see a shift where people are now thinking that we are listening to them. but i'm not going to pretend there isn't more to do, there is. we need to deliver on what we've said we're going to do, and then i think we earn the trust and then i think we earn the trust and the confidence of the people to

listen to us.— listen to us. let's move on. yesterday _ listen to us. let's move on. yesterday was _ listen to us. let's move on. yesterday was a _ listen to us. let's move on. yesterday was a huge i listen to us. let's move on. j yesterday was a huge event listen to us. let's move on. i yesterday was a huge event for listen to us. let's move on. - yesterday was a huge event for the country, the coronation. and yet we did see that there were pockets of protest, and what appears to have been a peaceful protest where arrests were made. ed davey hasjust said to us he thinks that you have changed the atmosphere, that you are trying to clamp down on perfectly legitimate protests. what do you say to that? can legitimate protests. what do you say to that? . . . legitimate protests. what do you say to that? ., , ., _ legitimate protests. what do you say tothat? ., ,., _ legitimate protests. what do you say to that? ., , ., _ ., to that? can i start by saying what an amazing _ to that? can i start by saying what an amazing event _ to that? can i start by saying what an amazing event it _ to that? can i start by saying what an amazing event it was. - to that? can i start by saying what an amazing event it was. britain i to that? can i start by saying what| an amazing event it was. britain on the world stage, a huge advocate for global britain, and i think it was a phenomenal event of which i was incredibly proud to be a part of, and proud to be british. and i spoke to a number of people who said the same thing. i think it was a fantastic event. this right to protest is really important. we live in a democracy and it is really important that people feel a right to be heard and are heard, but what we have seen over the last few years is a change in tactics of protesters. we have seen them

stopping people going about their day—to—day business. whether that is going to school, being able to go to hospital, being able to go to work, being able to commute and go on motorways, and i think what we needed to do is redress that balance, because people also have a right to live their day—to—day life, and that is what we have done, brought in legislation to redress that balance and get it right. but are ou that balance and get it right. but are you concerned as a conservative, it is an important political tradition in this country that people have the right to protest. are you concerned that sometimes the balance might be wrong in that? because it is one thing causing disruption like some protest we have seenin disruption like some protest we have seen in the last couple of years that you have referenced, but some activists and campaigners, and the liberal democrats and some other politicians worry that the general right to protest is being eroded. i regularly see protests. i work in the houses of parliament and walk through protests every day along parliament. i think that is a

fundamental right. we do need to get the balance right and i do think it was right to bring in legislation. the police asked us for more powers, people's day—to—day lives were being affected and it's right we stand up for those people who want to go about their daily business. fiend for those people who want to go about their daily business. and you back the police? _ about their daily business. and you back the police? of _ about their daily business. and you back the police? of the _ about their daily business. and you back the police? of the police i about their daily business. and you back the police? of the police are i back the police? of the police are independent _ back the police? of the police are independent and _ back the police? of the police are independent and they _ back the police? of the police are independent and they will- back the police? of the police are independent and they will have i back the police? of the police are i independent and they will have made tough calls yesterday. the police were aware of the protest and they let them happen but they would have made operational decisions on a case—by—case basis as to what steps they should have taken. and i know they should have taken. and i know they took into account, and i think they took into account, and i think they were right to take into account they were right to take into account the context of the event as a whole. we were on the global stage. there were 200 foreign dignitaries in the uk, in london at an event. millions of people watching, hundreds of thousands at the scene. i think it was really important that they took that into account when making their decisions. it’s that into account when making their decisions. �* . .

that into account when making their decisions. �* , , , ., decisions. it's the first time you have come _ decisions. it's the first time you have come in — decisions. it's the first time you have come in here _ decisions. it's the first time you have come in here as _ decisions. it's the first time you have come in here as culture i have come in here as culture secretary so we wanted to do a quick fire on the things in your in tray because there is a lot and you haven't been in the job for long so let's start with sports. are you comfortable with foreign groups like the qataris buying manchester united? ., ~ ., ., ., united? you will know one of the first things _ united? you will know one of the first things i _ united? you will know one of the first things i did _ united? you will know one of the first things i did as _ united? you will know one of the first things i did as culture - first things i did as culture secretary three weeks into the job was publish a white paper on football regulation, and it is really important that we ensure that football clubs are financially sustainable because fans are really important, and unfortunately fans are picking up the pieces. so we brought in regulations which will maintain the financial stability of the clubs. you specifically ask me about foreign clubs, we are not bringing in particular rules about foreign ownership versus british ownership. what we are doing is ensuring that whoever owns a club, they are financially stable and they have brought in owners and directors

test to make sure fans are protected. 50 test to make sure fans are protected-— test to make sure fans are protected. so would you be comfortable _ protected. so would you be comfortable with _ protected. so would you be comfortable with the i protected. so would you bej comfortable with the qatari consortium buying manchester united? nadine dorries said the current settlement would be the last licence fee so in other words it's on its way out, do you agree? i fee so in other words it's on its way out, do you agree?- fee so in other words it's on its way out, do you agree? i think the bbc is a phenomenal— way out, do you agree? i think the bbc is a phenomenal institution. l way out, do you agree? i think the bbc is a phenomenal institution. i | bbc is a phenomenal institution. i mentioned the foreign dignitaries who came over at the weekend and i had an opportunity to speak to many of them who talk about the soft power of the uk, which means recognising our values overseas. the bbc is part of that. so recognising our values overseas. the bbc is part of that.— bbc is part of that. so should the licence fee _ bbc is part of that. so should the licence fee stay? _ bbc is part of that. so should the licence fee stay? we _ bbc is part of that. so should the licence fee stay? we are - bbc is part of that. so should the l licence fee stay? we are reviewing the charter — licence fee stay? we are reviewing the charter and _ licence fee stay? we are reviewing the charter and we _ licence fee stay? we are reviewing the charter and we will _ licence fee stay? we are reviewing the charter and we will be - licence fee stay? we are reviewing the charter and we will be looking | the charter and we will be looking at the licence fee. i do think we need to think about the way the bbc is funded but it is important that it gets the resources it needs to continue to be the fantastic institution it is.— institution it is. are you disagreeing _ institution it is. are you disagreeing then - institution it is. are you disagreeing then with i institution it is. are you i disagreeing then with nadine institution it is. are you _ disagreeing then with nadine dorries who said very clearly as culture

secretary, you are now culture secretary, you are now culture secretary, she said the licence fee settlement as it stands would be the last, in other words it was on its way out in her view. is that your view? ~ ., . . view? we are reviewing the licence fee, i view? we are reviewing the licence fee. i have — view? we are reviewing the licence fee, i have started _ view? we are reviewing the licence fee, i have started that _ view? we are reviewing the licence fee, i have started that review- view? we are reviewing the licence fee, i have started that review and| fee, i have started that review and i will be listening to a number of people including the bbc. i do think it will have to look closely at its funding arrangements, we will be looking closely at its funding arrangement and that is something we will be looking at very seriously in due course. i’m will be looking at very seriously in due course-— due course. i'm trying to understand, _ due course. i'm trying to understand, is _ due course. i'm trying to understand, is it - due course. i'm trying to understand, is it your i due course. i'm trying to i understand, is it your instinct due course. i'm trying to - understand, is it your instinct that the licence fee should go ultimately? i the licence fee should go ultimately?— the licence fee should go ultimatel ? ~ ., ., ., , ,, ultimately? i know you want to press me and i ultimately? i know you want to press me and i just — ultimately? i know you want to press me and i just said _ ultimately? i know you want to press me and i just said we _ ultimately? i know you want to press me and ijust said we are _ ultimately? i know you want to press me and ijust said we are starting i me and ijust said we are starting that process, and i do think it is important the bbc gets its funding but i do think it might need to look at a variety of sources for its funding, buti at a variety of sources for its funding, but i am starting that review at the moment and i don't want to prejudge that. what review at the moment and i don't want to prejudge that.— review at the moment and i don't want to prejudge that. want to pre'udge that. what do you mean b a want to prejudge that. what do you mean by a variety _ want to prejudge that. what do you mean by a variety of _ want to prejudge that. what do you mean by a variety of sources? - want to prejudge that. what do you mean by a variety of sources? i - want to prejudge that. what do you | mean by a variety of sources? i have 'ust mean by a variety of sources? i have just started — mean by a variety of sources? i have just started this _ mean by a variety of sources? i have just started this review, _ mean by a variety of sources? i have just started this review, i'm - just started this review, i'm happy to come on in the futures to discuss

it but the licence fee is not the only way. it but the licence fee is not the only way-— it but the licence fee is not the onl wa .~ . ., ~ only way. we have talked about the demand from _ only way. we have talked about the demand from indigenous _ only way. we have talked about the demand from indigenous people's l demand from indigenous people's in new zealand and other parts of the world that their artefacts should be returned to them from british museums. should museums in this country give artefacts back if they are asked? the country give artefacts back if they are asked? ,.,, ., are asked? the position in relation... _ are asked? the position in relation... we _ are asked? the position in relation... we hold - are asked? the position in relation... we hold a - are asked? the position in i relation... we hold a number are asked? the position in - relation... we hold a number of the worlds artefacts and i was at the british museum recently seen fantastic displays we have, and the world comes to see them. the british museum, one in five people who come to the uk go to the british museum to the uk go to the british museum to see the world's objects. those items are owned by the british museum, the trustees of the british museum, the trustees of the british museum and the law says they should not be returned. find museum and the law says they should not be returned.—

not be returned. and will the greeks ever aet not be returned. and will the greeks ever get the — not be returned. and will the greeks ever get the parthenon _ not be returned. and will the greeks ever get the parthenon marbles - not be returned. and will the greeks l ever get the parthenon marbles back? as i stated, we have no current plans to change the laws and those are legally owned by the trustees of the british museum. luca; are legally owned by the trustees of the british museum.— the british museum. lucy fraser, thank ou the british museum. lucy fraser, thank you for— the british museum. lucy fraser, thank you for coming _ the british museum. lucy fraser, thank you for coming in. - we hadn't seen one for 70 years, and when coronation day came, there was plenty to see. cloaks, crowns, crowds — and this, the moment of history. then proclamation. god save the king! all: god save the king. and a bit later, fun and celebration. # 0h, sing praises # sing praises unto our god... hip hip, hooray! leaders from all over the world got a golden ticket. those with commonwealth connections of course here too. one of them was new zealand's

new prime minister, chris hipkins, and he came to talk to us straight after the service. it's just a it'sjust a huge honour to be part of something so historically significant for so many people. it's the first time in our lifetimes we have seen the british crown change and the coronation of a new monarch. what was the atmosphere like in the abbey? most of us were watching it on the tv but what was in the air? it was a nice feeling in the abbey. everyone was being very dignified and restrained, nobody wanted to make a mistake, but actually a real feeling of goodwill and excitement about the fact that something historically significant was taking place. historically significant was taking lace. ., ., , , place. you met king charles this week but you — place. you met king charles this week but you have _ place. you met king charles this week but you have just - place. you met king charles this week but you have just taken . place. you met king charles this i week but you have just taken over place. you met king charles this - week but you have just taken over in january from jacinda ardern. when you met the king, did he have any advice about taking over from a world—famous woman? i

advice about taking over from a world-famous woman?- advice about taking over from a world-famous woman? i can't say that was something — world-famous woman? i can't say that was something we _ world-famous woman? i can't say that was something we talked _ world-famous woman? i can't say that was something we talked about - world-famous woman? i can't say that was something we talked about but. world-famous woman? i can't say that | was something we talked about but we did have a very warm conversation. can you tell us what he did say to you? can you tell us what he did say to ou? ~ ., ., can you tell us what he did say to ou?~ . ~ ., can you tell us what he did say to ou? . . ~' . h, you? we talked about the flooding and cyclones _ you? we talked about the flooding and cyclones that _ you? we talked about the flooding and cyclones that happened - you? we talked about the flooding and cyclones that happened in - you? we talked about the flooding| and cyclones that happened in new zealand in the first part of this year and how the recovery efforts were going, and that led to a conversation around climate change. those are issues that are near and dear to the hearts of many members of the royal family. dear to the hearts of many members of the royalfamily. you dear to the hearts of many members of the royal family.— of the royalfamily. you have been at the ceremony _ of the royalfamily. you have been at the ceremony and _ of the royalfamily. you have been at the ceremony and met - of the royalfamily. you have been at the ceremony and met the - of the royalfamily. you have been at the ceremony and met the king, but you have been a republican all your life, you don't think the monarchy should exist. it’s your life, you don't think the monarchy should exist. it's not that i think the monarchy _ monarchy should exist. it's not that i think the monarchy shouldn't - i think the monarchy shouldn't exist. in new zealand the head of state, in my mind it would be someone in new zealand that would be head of state. having said that, we like the uk and as soon as you raise the question of who should be head of state that raises other questions

as well. to all intents and purposes, the role of the king of the monarchy is actually performed by a governor general based in new zealand and so what we have at the moment wouldn't be what i would design if we were designing the system from scratch but actually it's working 0k and there isn't a groundswell of support amongst new zealanders to ask for change. that’s zealanders to ask for change. that's interesting- — zealanders to ask for change. that's interesting. do _ zealanders to ask for change. that's interesting. do you _ zealanders to ask for change. that's interesting. do you think— zealanders to ask for change. that's interesting. do you think new - interesting. do you think new zealand might become a republic in your lifetime? i zealand might become a republic in your lifetime?— your lifetime? i think it will ha - en your lifetime? i think it will happen eventually - your lifetime? i think it will happen eventually but - your lifetime? i think it will| happen eventually but there your lifetime? i think it will - happen eventually but there have obviously been some recent opportunities with the passing of the queen for example. would it have been an opportunity if new zealanders think it's time to have the debate? there hasn't been a groundswell of support for even having the debate so i think a lot of new zealanders take the view of if it's not broken don't try and fix it and it's working 0k. if it's not broken don't try and fix it and it's working ok. but if it's not broken don't try and fix it and it's working 0k.— it and it's working ok. but your view is you _ it and it's working ok. but your view is you would _ it and it's working ok. but your view is you would rather - it and it's working ok. but your view is you would rather that i it and it's working ok. but your. view is you would rather that the link was phased out? like view is you would rather that the link was phased out?— view is you would rather that the link was phased out? like i said, if i was designing — link was phased out? like i said, if i was designing the _ link was phased out? like i said, if i was designing the system, - link was phased out? like i said, if i was designing the system, this . i was designing the system, this wouldn't be the system i was going

to design, but i also don't think it is a pressing priority at the moment. there's a lot happening and this isn't at the top of the list. did you swear allegiance to the king at the ceremony? i did did you swear allegiance to the king at the ceremony?— at the ceremony? i did at the ceremony _ at the ceremony? i did at the ceremony and _ at the ceremony? i did at the ceremony and also _ at the ceremony? i did at the ceremony and also when - at the ceremony? i did at the ceremony and also when i - at the ceremony? i did at the | ceremony and also when i was at the ceremony? i did at the - ceremony and also when i was sworn in as prime minister. because in new zealand when you take on a political role, a publicly elected role, you swear allegiance to previously queen elizabeth ii. now you swear allegiance to king charles iii. does it feel weird _ allegiance to king charles iii. does it feel weird to _ allegiance to king charles iii. does it feel weird to you _ allegiance to king charles iii. does it feel weird to you to _ allegiance to king charles iii. does it feel weird to you to have - allegiance to king charles iii. does it feel weird to you to have to do that? ., ., 4' it feel weird to you to have to do that? ., ., ~ ., , it feel weird to you to have to do that? ., ., ~ ., ., it feel weird to you to have to do that? ., ., ~ ., , ., ., it feel weird to you to have to do that? ., ., ~ ., ., ., ., it feel weird to you to have to do that? ., ., ., ., , ., that? looking as our head of state, and until new _ that? looking as our head of state, and until new zealanders _ that? looking as our head of state, and until new zealanders take - that? looking as our head of state, and until new zealanders take the l and until new zealanders take the view that should change, i don't have any hesitation in doing that because ultimately the king is our head of state and i do that in the service of the people of new zealand. ., , zealand. one of the interesting thins zealand. one of the interesting things about — zealand. one of the interesting things about this _ zealand. one of the interesting things about this moment - zealand. one of the interesting things about this moment of i zealand. one of the interesting - things about this moment of change is there's a lot more conversation in this country under the country is about the uk's past, and some

indigenous leaders from your country have signed an open letter to king charles asking for an apology and reparations, an apology for colonialism and slavery. do you think the british monarchy should apologise for past mistakes? in instances where a wrong has apologise for past mistakes? i�*i instances where a wrong has been established under redress has been agreed, an apology from the ground, in some cases by the crown, has been included within that. i don't think you can do that in a nonspecific way. i think it's more important and meaningful if you are looking at specific hand on to specific groups of people. and we have got a processing new zealand, ourfounding document as a country and we have a process for reconciling breaches of the treaty, and there are plenty of them. overtime the treaty, and there are plenty of them. over time we are working through a process that has taken several decades and we are not finished yet but we work through identifying what the breaches were, what the harm caused was, and actually creating a record of that,

and in many cases the redress includes a full apology and that can come from the ground. it’s come from the ground. it's interesting, _ come from the ground. it's interesting, in _ come from the ground. it's interesting, in new zealand you had taken this head on, had this big process, do you think it would be good for the uk to follow that example? i good for the uk to follow that exam - le? ., good for the uk to follow that example?— good for the uk to follow that examle? “ , u. , good for the uk to follow that examle? ,, , , example? i think every country has not to example? i think every country has got to make _ example? i think every country has got to make their— example? i think every country has got to make their own _ example? i think every country has got to make their own judgments l example? i think every country has i got to make their own judgments and it's not appropriate for me as a leader of new zealand to tell other countries want to do but i would speak positively about our experience. it hasn't been easy and it's not appropriate for me as a leader of new zealand to tell other countries what to do but i would speak positively about our experience. it hasn't been easy there's no doubt when you look into there's no doubt when you look into the past and you delve into the past and identify what's happened, in many cases horrific and horrible things have happened, actually making a record of that and then acknowledging it and finding a way of providing some redress, i think it is a very powerful thing. but it isn't easy and it won't be quick. so any other countries who are looking doing this, one of my messages is you have to do it appropriately and approach it very openly, and you won't always get it right either.

it's always a work in progress. ii it's always a work in progress. if it was right for the new zealand government to do it, wouldn't it be right for king charles to do it? like i said, other countries, it's really a matter for them to decide what's appropriate in the context. these issues are often tricky, and recently one of your ministers quit tojoin the maori recently one of your ministers quit to join the maori party and wants to join a political movement that was unapologetic about maori political involvement. do you think your party has failed to address this? maori arties has failed to address this? maori parties don't _ has failed to address this? maori parties don't have _ has failed to address this? maori parties don't have one _ has failed to address this? maori parties don't have one view, - has failed to address this? maori | parties don't have one view, they have a variety of different views and you will see that represented in our parliament. we have maori members of parliament in most political parties and that is a welcome thing. it suggests the diversity of our parliament is ensuring that we have what we aspire

to her. she ensuring that we have what we aspire to her. ,, .,, ., _ ensuring that we have what we aspire toher. ,, ., _ to her. she obviously felt your -a to her. she obviously felt your party was _ to her. she obviously felt your party was not _ to her. she obviously felt your party was not addressing - to her. she obviously felt your party was not addressing that| to her. she obviously felt your - party was not addressing that cars properly. i party was not addressing that cars ro erl . ., �* party was not addressing that cars --roerl. .,�* ,, party was not addressing that cars --roerl. g ,, ., properly. i won't speak on her behalf, obviously _ properly. i won't speak on her behalf, obviously i'm - properly. i won't speak on her- behalf, obviously i'm disappointed by that but i know the maori members of parliament play an important role within our team and they are outspoken on issues affecting maori members of the community. there's also been a — members of the community. there's also been a big _ members of the community. there's also been a big change _ members of the community. there's also been a big change in _ members of the community. there's also been a big change in our- also been a big change in our country with us leaving the eu and there is a big conversation about whether or not brexit has damaged the standing of the uk around the world, do you think it has? me world, do you think it has? we welcome the _ world, do you think it has? - welcome the opportunity to trade more with the united kingdom and the opportunity to negotiate a free—trade agreement with the uk post—brexit which is what we have been able to do, it is something we welcome. brexit is a matter for the people of the uk but we are excited by the opportunity to increase our trade with the uk. who by the opportunity to increase our trade with the uk.— trade with the uk. who got the better deal _ trade with the uk. who got the better deal in _ trade with the uk. who got the better deal in the _ trade with the uk. who got the better deal in the trade - trade with the uk. who got the - better deal in the trade agreement? are a in all trade agreements, you

have not are a in all trade agreements, you have got to _ are a in all trade agreements, you have got to make _ are a in all trade agreements, you have got to make sure _ are a in all trade agreements, you have got to make sure that - are a in all trade agreements, you have got to make sure that both i have got to make sure that both sides are getting something out of it, and i think both sides are. i5 it, and i think both sides are. is it? the impact on the uk gdp is about 0.1%, and for you, it is 0.35%. about 0.196, and for you, it is 0.3596. , ., . ., 0.3596. the uk is a much larger economy than _ 0.3596. the uk is a much larger economy than new _ 0.3596. the uk is a much larger economy than new zealand. . 0.3596. the uk is a much larger| economy than new zealand. we 0.3596. the uk is a much larger- economy than new zealand. we are a small trading nation, and our export industries particularly in some of the area the trading agreement covers, they are very good part of our economy, so i think as a percentage of gdp that is not a fair comparison. percentage of gdp that is not a fair comparison-— percentage of gdp that is not a fair com arison. ., ., ., , ., comparison. some of our farmers are not ha-- . comparison. some of our farmers are not happy- also _ comparison. some of our farmers are not happy. also some _ comparison. some of our farmers are not happy. also some of— comparison. some of our farmers are not happy. also some of the - not happy. also some of the reporting of this deal was represented in new zealand, a report by news hub said a world away from rejoicing kiwi farmers, there counterpart in the uk feel as though they are the sacrificial lambs. i don't think it is true. if you look at the primary sectors, there is a

seasonal aspect of this which is quite complimentary. so i think there is certainly plenty in the deal for both there is certainly plenty in the dealfor both sides. there is certainly plenty in the deal for both sides.— there is certainly plenty in the deal for both sides. what would you sa to a deal for both sides. what would you say to a grumpy _ deal for both sides. what would you say to a grumpy farmer _ deal for both sides. what would you say to a grumpy farmer in _ deal for both sides. what would you say to a grumpy farmer in the - deal for both sides. what would you say to a grumpy farmer in the uk i deal for both sides. what would you say to a grumpy farmer in the uk if| say to a grumpy farmer in the uk if he thinks that new zealand cleverly pulled one over on the uk? i he thinks that new zealand cleverly pulled one over on the uk?- pulled one over on the uk? i don't thin that pulled one over on the uk? i don't thing that is _ pulled one over on the uk? i don't thing that is true. _ pulled one over on the uk? i don't thing that is true. are _ pulled one over on the uk? i don't thing that is true. are you - pulled one over on the uk? i don't thing that is true. are you sure? i thing that is true. are you sure? absolutely- _ thing that is true. are you sure? absolutely. members _ thing that is true. are you sure? absolutely. members of- thing that is true. are you sure? absolutely. members of the i thing that is true. are you sure? i absolutely. members of the audience miaht not absolutely. members of the audience might not know. _ absolutely. members of the audience might not know, but _ absolutely. members of the audience might not know, but you _ absolutely. members of the audience might not know, but you are - absolutely. members of the audience might not know, but you are a - absolutely. members of the audience might not know, but you are a huge l might not know, but you are a huge fan of sausage rolls. this is one of the things that were known for, and they are also very, very popular the united kingdom. and you were presented with a platter of them by rishi sunak, and king charles apparently also gave you a tray of sausage rolls. did you ever think that your career in politics in new zealand would result in the king of the united kingdom giving you a platter of mini sausage rolls? i have to say, there have been some surreal moments in the past week, for a boy who grew up in working—class suburbs, becoming prime minister was a pretty big honour. and coming all the way around here to the side of the world and to meet with all of the people i

have met within the last week, it is, it has been quite significant. but the sausage roll moment is pretty weird. it but the sausage roll moment is pretty weird-— pretty weird. it is really cool, actually- _ pretty weird. it is really cool, actually. word _ pretty weird. it is really cool, actually. word got _ pretty weird. it is really cool, actually. word got around i pretty weird. it is really cool, actually. word got around at| pretty weird. it is really cool, i actually. word got around at home, and it get sausage rolls wherever i go at home in new zealand at the moment, but to be presented than by the king and the prime minister of the king and the prime minister of the uk, that his next level. i the king and the prime minister of the uk, that his next level.- the uk, that his next level. i have asked this — the uk, that his next level. i have asked this finally. _ the uk, that his next level. i have asked this finally. you _ the uk, that his next level. i have asked this finally. you sausage i asked this finally. you sausage rolls are better? i can make a strong case for the uk, bisley, but what is your view? i strong case for the uk, bisley, but what is your view?— strong case for the uk, bisley, but what is your view? i have been asked whether the — what is your view? i have been asked whether the king _ what is your view? i have been asked whether the king of _ what is your view? i have been asked whether the king of the _ what is your view? i have been asked whether the king of the prime - whether the king of the prime minister's were better, but that would be dangerous territory for me. it depends. there is a lot that goes into a good sausage roll, you have to get the right mix of meat and pastry. to get the right mix of meat and ast . �* ,., to get the right mix of meat and ast _ �* , ., ., to get the right mix of meat and ast .�* ., ., to get the right mix of meat and ast .�* . ., ., , to get the right mix of meat and ast .�* . ., ., pastry. and so far, for the ones you have been — pastry. and so far, for the ones you have been tasting _ pastry. and so far, for the ones you have been tasting here? _ pastry. and so far, for the ones you have been tasting here? they i pastry. and so far, for the ones you have been tasting here? they as i pastry. and so far, for the ones you i have been tasting here? they as good as the ones at home? thea;r have been tasting here? they as good as the ones at home?— as the ones at home? they have been re as the ones at home? they have been pretty good. — as the ones at home? they have been pretty good. they _ as the ones at home? they have been pretty good. they have _ as the ones at home? they have been pretty good, they have been - as the ones at home? they have been pretty good, they have been up i pretty good, they have been up there. chris dickens, prime minister of new zealand, thank you very much for coming into the studio. we thought our was strange! chris

hipkins, prime minister of new zealand, and sausage roll fan. i'm sure there were plenty of sausage rolls consumed yesterday. now — here's tina daheley from morcambe with what's coming up on later today on bbc one. join us this afternoon as we celebrate the coronation at street parties and community events across the uk. i will be here in the lancashire seaside town of morecambe, which is hoping to break the record for the biggest street party for the coronation in the world. from viewed in cornwall to west drayton orkney, enniskillen in northern ireland, cowbridge in wales and more, we will be live with those coming together to enjoy the bank holiday weekend this afternoon on bbc one and bbc iplayer. make sure you stay tuned for that later on, sausage roll or not. interesting things from that conversation with chris hipkins. it

says new zealand have focused on some things from their past, and you think some sort of reparation process or even an apology from the government or the royal family is the kind of course that people should be thinking about now, because of slavery and some of the things that happened during the empire period? i things that happened during the empire period?— things that happened during the emire eriod? ~ . ., empire period? i think so. what he beautifully articulated _ empire period? i think so. what he beautifully articulated was - empire period? i think so. what he beautifully articulated was the i beautifully articulated was the importance of having a treaty that puts that — importance of having a treaty that puts that in place for that apology to be _ puts that in place for that apology to be in _ puts that in place for that apology to be in place and to define the landscape to recognise the harm that was caused _ landscape to recognise the harm that was caused to the indigenous people of new— was caused to the indigenous people of new zealand. we don't have something similar within the uk context. — something similar within the uk context, and one thing that is really— context, and one thing that is really interesting that king charles himself_ really interesting that king charles himself has spoken about his deeply profound _ himself has spoken about his deeply profound sorrow in terms of the role that the _ profound sorrow in terms of the role that the monarchy played its ties to slavery. _ that the monarchy played its ties to slavery, and has given his backing towards _ slavery, and has given his backing towards research that will look into

the monarchy's links into the slave trade _ the monarchy's links into the slave trade. �* ., , ., ~' the monarchy's links into the slave trade. �* ., , ., ~ ., trade. and do you think it would a tl trade. and do you think it would aptly make _ trade. and do you think it would aptly make a — trade. and do you think it would aptly make a difference - trade. and do you think it would aptly make a difference to i trade. and do you think it would i aptly make a difference to some of the relations inside the uk, community relations or if you think about what happened much more recently than anything that happened during the period of empire, but windrush, for example. do you think if the king came out explicitly and did this kind of thing, it would make a difference?— did this kind of thing, it would make a difference? when we think about monarchy _ make a difference? when we think about monarchy and _ make a difference? when we think about monarchy and we _ make a difference? when we think about monarchy and we think i make a difference? when we think| about monarchy and we think about how we _ about monarchy and we think about how we modernise the monarchy and how we modernise the monarchy and how the _ how we modernise the monarchy and how the monarchy should be more reflective — how the monarchy should be more reflective of a 21st—century multiethnic britain, one of the things— multiethnic britain, one of the things that would go a long way towards — things that would go a long way towards that is thinking about the language — towards that is thinking about the language that is used with those communities and that apology that is so sought—after, because there is an ambivalence towards britain's colonial— ambivalence towards britain's colonial past, and in some respects there _ colonial past, and in some respects there can _ colonial past, and in some respects there can be — colonial past, and in some respects there can be an association of that rule which — there can be an association of that rule which was harmful to the black and ethnic— rule which was harmful to the black and ethnic minority people historically.—

and ethnic minority people historicall . , ., . historically. yesterday we touched on that in the _ historically. yesterday we touched on that in the ceremony _ historically. yesterday we touched on that in the ceremony that i historically. yesterday we touched on that in the ceremony that had i on that in the ceremony that had been effort to make it look more diverse and inclusive than the one that happened 70 years ago, among all those extraordinary images from the abbey yesterday, but alison, do you think that there could be an explicit moment on the way? rishi sunak was asked about this recently, and he said there should not be an apology for the past, we have to look forward. but do you think that a potential labour government might do it? i a potential labour government might do it? ., a potential labour government might do it? ~ ., a potential labour government might do it? ., ., you a potential labour government might do it?_ you do? - a potential labour government might do it?_ you do?— do it? i think that. you do? and i also think— do it? i think that. you do? and i also think that _ do it? i think that. you do? and i also think that the _ do it? i think that. you do? and i also think that the king _ do it? i think that. you do? and i also think that the king is - do it? ithinkthat. you do? and || also think that the king is moving towards a point where this might happen. one of the things that struck me yesterday was when all the commonwealth leaders walked down the aisle in the abbey it was such a stark reminder at that point about empire, and you can't take those two things apart. and as soon as you start to think about empire, you think about all the things that happened during the empire, and it is so entwined in our history, and you can't hide from your past. you

can'tjust you can't hide from your past. you can't just say, you can't hide from your past. you can'tjust say, we are all going to move on, because that never really works in a relationship until you have dealt with the issues beneath it. �* ., ~ , ., , it. and do think there should be some kind _ it. and do think there should be some kind of — it. and do think there should be some kind of apology, - it. and do think there should be some kind of apology, or i it. and do think there should be some kind of apology, or the i it. and do think there should be i some kind of apology, or the process they went through in new zealand with all the individual events? i thought what the prime minister of new zealand — thought what the prime minister of new zealand said _ thought what the prime minister of new zealand said was _ thought what the prime minister of new zealand said was really- new zealand said was really interesting, _ new zealand said was really interesting, we _ new zealand said was really interesting, we could - new zealand said was really interesting, we could learnl new zealand said was really- interesting, we could learn from that _ interesting, we could learn from that i_ interesting, we could learn from that i agree _ interesting, we could learn from that. i agree with _ interesting, we could learn from that. i agree with alison - interesting, we could learn from that. i agree with alison and i interesting, we could learn from i that. i agree with alison and jason, the key— that. i agree with alison and jason, the key is _ that. i agree with alison and jason, the key is moving _ that. i agree with alison and jason, the key is moving towards - that. i agree with alison and jason, the key is moving towards trying i that. i agree with alison and jason, the key is moving towards trying toi the key is moving towards trying to look at _ the key is moving towards trying to look at this— the key is moving towards trying to look at this issue _ the key is moving towards trying to look at this issue with _ the key is moving towards trying to look at this issue with greater i look at this issue with greater subtlety— look at this issue with greater subtlety that _ look at this issue with greater subtlety that we _ look at this issue with greater subtlety that we are - look at this issue with greater subtlety that we are seeing i look at this issue with greater i subtlety that we are seeing from government _ subtlety that we are seeing from government he— subtlety that we are seeing from government. he talks _ subtlety that we are seeing from government. he talks at - subtlety that we are seeing from government. he talks at the i subtlety that we are seeing from i government. he talks at the heads of state of— government. he talks at the heads of state of commonwealth _ government. he talks at the heads of state of commonwealth and - government. he talks at the heads of state of commonwealth and the - government. he talks at the heads of| state of commonwealth and the prime ministers, _ state of commonwealth and the prime ministers, because _ state of commonwealth and the prime ministers, because he _ state of commonwealth and the prime ministers, because he is— state of commonwealth and the prime ministers, because he is the _ state of commonwealth and the prime ministers, because he is the head i state of commonwealth and the prime ministers, because he is the head of. ministers, because he is the head of state, _ ministers, because he is the head of state. and _ ministers, because he is the head of state. and what _ ministers, because he is the head of state, and what we _ ministers, because he is the head of state, and what we would _ ministers, because he is the head of state, and what we would back- ministers, because he is the head of state, and what we would back is i ministers, because he is the head of state, and what we would back is a i state, and what we would back is a much _ state, and what we would back is a much more — state, and what we would back is a much more open—minded - state, and what we would back is al much more open—minded approach. state, and what we would back is a i much more open—minded approach. we heard _ much more open—minded approach. we heard from _ much more open—minded approach. we heard from lucy— much more open—minded approach. we heard from lucy frazer— much more open—minded approach. we heard from lucy frazer that _ much more open—minded approach. we heard from lucy frazer that the - heard from lucy frazer that the answer — heard from lucy frazer that the answer is — heard from lucy frazer that the answer is n0~ _ heard from lucy frazer that the answer is no. i'm _ heard from lucy frazer that the answer is no. i'm afraid - heard from lucy frazer that the answer is no. i'm afraid we - heard from lucy frazer that the i answer is no. i'm afraid we should have _ answer is no. i'm afraid we should have a _ answer is no. i'm afraid we should have a debate _ answer is no. i'm afraid we should have a debate about _ answer is no. i'm afraid we should have a debate about this, - answer is no. i'm afraid we should have a debate about this, and - answer is no. i'm afraid we should have a debate about this, and in. answer is no. i'm afraid we should l have a debate about this, and in the context— have a debate about this, and in the context of— have a debate about this, and in the context of britain's _ have a debate about this, and in the context of britain's relationship - context of britain's relationship with the — context of britain's relationship with the world, _ context of britain's relationship with the world, our _ context of britain's relationship - with the world, our commonwealth partners _ with the world, our commonwealth partners and — with the world, our commonwealth partners and the _ with the world, our commonwealth partners and the rest _ with the world, our commonwealth partners and the rest of _ with the world, our commonwealth partners and the rest of the - with the world, our commonwealth partners and the rest of the world, | partners and the rest of the world, i realty— partners and the rest of the world, treatty think— partners and the rest of the world, i really thinkjust _ partners and the rest of the world, i really thinkjust closing _ partners and the rest of the world, i really thinkjust closing the - i really thinkjust closing the debate — i really thinkjust closing the debate down _ i really thinkjust closing the debate down is _ i really thinkjust closing the debate down is not - i really thinkjust closing the debate down is not the - i really thinkjust closing the debate down is not the wayi i really thinkjust closing the - debate down is not the way forward. we are _ debate down is not the way forward. we are having — debate down is not the way forward. we are having that _ debate down is not the way forward. we are having that conversation - debate down is not the way forward. i we are having that conversation here in the studio this morning. let's talk about the politics. elections

this week, terrible tory losses, labour say that they are on course to win a majority, and we will be talking to wes streeting soon. ed, you said you were like a cheshire cat the morning after, a good performance by lib dems around the country. what was it, do you think, that meant you were able to can turn so many blue areas of the map yellow on thursday?— on thursday? local issues and national issues. _ on thursday? local issues and national issues. so _ on thursday? local issues and national issues. so take - national issues. so take stratford—on—avon, - national issues. so take stratford—on—avon, the | national issues. so take - stratford—on—avon, the fact that national issues. so take _ stratford—on—avon, the fact that the conservatives — stratford—on—avon, the fact that the conservatives we _ stratford—on—avon, the fact that the conservatives we selected _ stratford—on—avon, the fact that the conservatives we selected nadhim l conservatives we selected nadhim zahawi _ conservatives we selected nadhim zahawi went — conservatives we selected nadhim zahawi went down _ conservatives we selected nadhim zahawi went down very, _ conservatives we selected nadhim zahawi went down very, very - conservatives we selected nadhim i zahawi went down very, very badly, but that _ zahawi went down very, very badly, but that tapped _ zahawi went down very, very badly, but that topped the _ zahawi went down very, very badly, but that topped the local— zahawi went down very, very badly, but that topped the local campaignl but that topped the local campaign on other— but that topped the local campaign on other issues. _ but that topped the local campaign on other issues. but _ but that topped the local campaign on other issues. but i _ but that topped the local campaign on other issues. but i think- but that topped the local campaign on other issues. but i think what. on other issues. but i think what was common— on other issues. but i think what was common across _ on other issues. but i think what was common across the - on other issues. but i think what| was common across the country, on other issues. but i think what- was common across the country, and i was common across the country, and i was going _ was common across the country, and i was going from — was common across the country, and i was going from hutt— was common across the country, and i was going from hull in _ was common across the country, and i was going from hull in the _ was common across the country, and i was going from hull in the north- was common across the country, and i was going from hull in the north of- was going from hull in the north of england. _ was going from hull in the north of england, greater— was going from hull in the north of england, greater manchester - was going from hull in the north of england, greater manchester and i england, greater manchester and across _ england, greater manchester and across the — england, greater manchester and across the south _ england, greater manchester and across the south coast, _ england, greater manchester and across the south coast, people i england, greater manchester and . across the south coast, people were saying _ across the south coast, people were saving time — across the south coast, people were saving time and _ across the south coast, people were saying time and time _ across the south coast, people were saying time and time again - across the south coast, people were saying time and time again it- across the south coast, people were saying time and time again it was. saying time and time again it was the conservatives' _ saying time and time again it was the conservatives' policy- saying time and time again it was the conservatives' policy on - saying time and time again it was the conservatives' policy on the l saying time and time again it was. the conservatives' policy on the nhs and the _ the conservatives' policy on the nhs and the cost — the conservatives' policy on the nhs and the cost of— the conservatives' policy on the nhs and the cost of living, _ the conservatives' policy on the nhs and the cost of living, they - the conservatives' policy on the nhs and the cost of living, they feel- and the cost of living, they feel they— and the cost of living, they feel they dont— and the cost of living, they feel they don't understand - and the cost of living, they feel they don't understand what - and the cost of living, they feel they don't understand what a l and the cost of living, they feel. they don't understand what a bad state _ they don't understand what a bad state our— they don't understand what a bad state our nhs _ they don't understand what a bad state our nhs is _ they don't understand what a bad state our nhs is in, _ they don't understand what a bad state our nhs is in, they- they don't understand what a bad state our nhs is in, they are - they don't understand what a bad state our nhs is in, they are noti state our nhs is in, they are not helping — state our nhs is in, they are not helping enough _ state our nhs is in, they are not helping enough of— state our nhs is in, they are not helping enough of the _ state our nhs is in, they are not helping enough of the cost - state our nhs is in, they are not helping enough of the cost of. state our nhs is in, they are not i helping enough of the cost of living felt the _ helping enough of the cost of living felt the government _ helping enough of the cost of living felt the government was _ helping enough of the cost of living felt the government was out - helping enough of the cost of living

felt the government was out of- felt the government was out of touch — felt the government was out of touch. another— felt the government was out of touch. another big _ felt the government was out of touch. another big issue - felt the government was out of touch. another big issue was. felt the government was out of| touch. another big issue was on integrity. — touch. another big issue was on integrity. and _ touch. another big issue was on integrity, and that _ touch. another big issue was on integrity, and that came - touch. another big issue was on integrity, and that came up - touch. another big issue was on integrity, and that came up a i touch. another big issue was on. integrity, and that came up a lot, with people — integrity, and that came up a lot, with people feeling _ integrity, and that came up a lot, with people feeling that - integrity, and that came up a lot, with people feeling that the - with people feeling that the conservative _ with people feeling that the conservative party - with people feeling that the conservative party has - with people feeling that the conservative party has lost| with people feeling that the . conservative party has lost its with people feeling that the - conservative party has lost its way, and lifelong — conservative party has lost its way, and lifelong conservatives- conservative party has lost its way, and lifelong conservatives were - and lifelong conservatives were switching — and lifelong conservatives were switching to _ and lifelong conservatives were switching to us _ and lifelong conservatives were switching to us because - and lifelong conservatives were switching to us because they i and lifelong conservatives were i switching to us because they don't trust _ switching to us because they don't trust the _ switching to us because they don't trust the government _ switching to us because they don't trust the government any- switching to us because they don't trust the government any more. l switching to us because they don't - trust the government any more. there is or is a question _ trust the government any more. there is or is a question about _ trust the government any more. there is or is a question about local - is or is a question about local success translating into what happens at a general election, and that might still be some time away. there are 80 seats where you are second behind the tories. how many of them now do you think you will be competitive in? how many are on your list? ~ ., . ., competitive in? how many are on your list? a, . ., , ., list? more than i thought before last thursday! — list? more than i thought before last thursday! so _ list? more than i thought before last thursday! so your _ list? more than i thought before last thursday! so your target . list? more than i thought before| last thursday! so your target list is longer? _ last thursday! so your target list is longer? almost _ last thursday! so your target list is longer? almost certainly. - last thursday! so your target list | is longer? almost certainly. what last thursday! so your target list - is longer? almost certainly. what we have shown — is longer? almost certainly. what we have shown is _ is longer? almost certainly. what we have shown is the _ is longer? almost certainly. what we have shown is the liberal _ is longer? almost certainly. what we have shown is the liberal democrats| have shown is the liberal democrats can beat _ have shown is the liberal democrats can beat the — have shown is the liberal democrats can beat the conservatives - have shown is the liberal democrats can beat the conservatives in - have shown is the liberal democrats can beat the conservatives in many. can beat the conservatives in many parts _ can beat the conservatives in many parts of _ can beat the conservatives in many parts of the — can beat the conservatives in many parts of the country, _ can beat the conservatives in many parts of the country, that _ can beat the conservatives in many parts of the country, that many- parts of the country, that many parts _ parts of the country, that many parts of — parts of the country, that many parts of the _ parts of the country, that many parts of the country _ parts of the country, that many parts of the country have - parts of the country, that manyl parts of the country have caught parts of the country, that many- parts of the country have caught the blue watt, _ parts of the country have caught the blue wait, but — parts of the country have caught the blue wall, but a _ parts of the country have caught the blue wall, but a fight _ parts of the country have caught the blue wall, but a fight between - parts of the country have caught the blue wall, but a fight between the l blue wall, but a fight between the lib dems — blue wall, but a fight between the lib dems and _ blue wall, but a fight between the lib dems and the _ blue wall, but a fight between the lib dems and the conservatives, i blue wall, but a fight between the i lib dems and the conservatives, and we have _ lib dems and the conservatives, and we have shown — lib dems and the conservatives, and we have shown our— lib dems and the conservatives, and we have shown our ability _ lib dems and the conservatives, and we have shown our ability to - lib dems and the conservatives, and we have shown our ability to do - we have shown our ability to do that _ we have shown our ability to do that but — we have shown our ability to do that. but what— we have shown our ability to do that. but what i'm _ we have shown our ability to do that. but what i'm not- we have shown our ability to do that. but what i'm not going. we have shown our ability to do that. but what i'm not going to| we have shown our ability to do i that. but what i'm not going to do is take _ that. but what i'm not going to do is take people _ that. but what i'm not going to do is take people for _ that. but what i'm not going to do is take people for granted. - that. but what i'm not going to do is take people for granted. we - that. but what i'm not going to do. is take people for granted. we have -ot is take people for granted. we have got to— is take people for granted. we have got to work— is take people for granted. we have got to work for— is take people for granted. we have got to work for those _ is take people for granted. we have got to work for those votes, - is take people for granted. we have| got to work for those votes, deserve those _ got to work for those votes, deserve those votes — got to work for those votes, deserve those votes through _ got to work for those votes, deserve those votes through our— got to work for those votes, deserve those votes through our policies - got to work for those votes, deserve those votes through our policies andj those votes through our policies and campaigning. — those votes through our policies and campaigning. show— those votes through our policies and campaigning, show there _ those votes through our policies and campaigning, show there is - those votes through our policies and campaigning, show there is a - campaigning, show there is a different— campaigning, show there is a different way. _ campaigning, show there is a different way. but _ campaigning, show there is a different way.— campaigning, show there is a different way. but before these elections they _ different way. but before these elections they work _ different way. but before these elections they work pretty - different way. but before these elections they work pretty well|

elections they work pretty well sourced suggestions that the lib dems might look to get about 25 or 30 seats at the next general election. i am 30 seats at the next general election. lam now 30 seats at the next general election. i am now feeling that that ambition can be bolder?— election. i am now feeling that that ambition can be bolder? laura, you have been doing _ ambition can be bolder? laura, you have been doing your— ambition can be bolder? laura, you have been doing yourjob, - ambition can be bolder? laura, you have been doing yourjob, workingl ambition can be bolder? laura, you. have been doing yourjob, working in this for— have been doing yourjob, working in this for a _ have been doing yourjob, working in this for a tong — have been doing yourjob, working in this for a long time, _ have been doing yourjob, working in this for a long time, you _ have been doing yourjob, working in this for a long time, you know- have been doing yourjob, working in this for a long time, you know we . this for a long time, you know we wouldn't — this for a long time, you know we wouldn't give _ this for a long time, you know we wouldn't give a _ this for a long time, you know we wouldn't give a figure _ this for a long time, you know we wouldn't give a figure on- this for a long time, you know we wouldn't give a figure on it, - wouldn't give a figure on it, because _ wouldn't give a figure on it, because that _ wouldn't give a figure on it, because that would - wouldn't give a figure on it, because that would be - wouldn't give a figure on it, . because that would be wrong. wouldn't give a figure on it, - because that would be wrong. it would _ because that would be wrong. it would be — because that would be wrong. it would be taking _ because that would be wrong. it would be taking voters - because that would be wrong. it would be taking voters for- because that would be wrong. it. would be taking voters for granted. is would be taking voters for granted. is your— would be taking voters for granted. is your ambition— would be taking voters for granted. is your ambition growing? - would be taking voters for granted. is your ambition growing? i- would be taking voters for granted. is your ambition growing? i amu- would be taking voters for granted. is your ambition growing? i am very ambitious. — is your ambition growing? i am very ambitious. i— is your ambition growing? i am very ambitious, i believe _ is your ambition growing? i am very ambitious, i believe we _ is your ambition growing? i am very ambitious, i believe we can - is your ambition growing? i am very ambitious, i believe we can win - is your ambition growing? i am very l ambitious, i believe we can win more mps and _ ambitious, i believe we can win more mps and defeat — ambitious, i believe we can win more mps and defeat many _ ambitious, i believe we can win more mps and defeat many conservative . ambitious, i believe we can win more . mps and defeat many conservative mps across _ mps and defeat many conservative mps across the _ mps and defeat many conservative mps across the country. _ mps and defeat many conservative mps across the country. so _ mps and defeat many conservative mps across the country.— across the country. so let's talk about your _ across the country. so let's talk about your relationship - across the country. so let's talk about your relationship with - across the country. so let's talkj about your relationship with the conservatives, because on this week's numbers, it suggests that labour would be overwhelmingly the biggest party, but wouldn't be able to necessarily govern on their own, it might be a hung parliament. you have clearly ruled out working with the conservatives under boris johnson, but would you consider working with rishi sunak in some kind of coalition? he. working with rishi sunak in some kind of coalition?— working with rishi sunak in some kind of coalition? no, i have spent all m life kind of coalition? no, i have spent all my life fighting _ kind of coalition? no, i have spent all my life fighting the _ all my life fighting the conservatives. - all my life fighting the conservatives.- all my life fighting the conservatives. ., . conservatives. you were in a coalition _ conservatives. you were in a coalition with _ conservatives. you were in a coalition with the _ conservatives. you were in a coalition with the five - conservatives. you were in a coalition with the five years, | conservatives. you were in a - coalition with the five years, you sat around a cabinet table with david cameron. but

sat around a cabinet table with david cameron.— sat around a cabinet table with david cameron. �* ., david cameron. but i fought with him eve da . david cameron. but i fought with him every day- you _ david cameron. but i fought with him every day- you are — david cameron. but i fought with him every day. you are on _ david cameron. but i fought with him every day. you are on the _ david cameron. but i fought with him every day. you are on the same - every day. you are on the same table, every day. you are on the same table. you _ every day. you are on the same table. you are _ every day. you are on the same table, you are part— every day. you are on the same table, you are part of— every day. you are on the same table, you are part of that - table, you are part of that government.— table, you are part of that government. table, you are part of that covernment. ., government. you can fight within government _ government. you can fight within government and _ government. you can fight within government and i _ government. you can fight within government and i did _ government. you can fight within government and i did every - government. you can fight within | government and i did every single day, government and i did every single day. and — government and i did every single day. and i— government and i did every single day. and i did— government and i did every single day, and i did on— government and i did every single day, and i did on things _ government and i did every single day, and i did on things like - day, and i did on things like renewabte _ day, and i did on things like renewable power. _ day, and i did on things like renewable power. when- day, and i did on things like renewable power. when i. day, and i did on things like - renewable power. when i became teader— renewable power. when i became leader of— renewable power. when i became leader of the _ renewable power. when i became leader of the party— renewable power. when i became leader of the party i— renewable power. when i became leader of the party i made - renewable power. when i became leader of the party i made it - renewable power. when i became leader of the party i made it veryi leader of the party i made it very clear— leader of the party i made it very clear that — leader of the party i made it very clear that my— leader of the party i made it very clear that myjob _ leader of the party i made it very clear that myjob was _ leader of the party i made it very clear that myjob was to - leader of the party i made it very clear that myjob was to get - leader of the party i made it very clear that myjob was to get the| clear that myjob was to get the conservatives— clear that myjob was to get the conservatives out— clear that myjob was to get the conservatives out of— clear that myjob was to get the . conservatives out of government, i want _ conservatives out of government, i want a _ conservatives out of government, i want a toss — conservatives out of government, i want a toss of— conservatives out of government, i want a loss of conservative - conservatives out of government, i want a loss of conservative mps, . conservatives out of government, i l want a loss of conservative mps, and it would _ want a loss of conservative mps, and it would be _ want a loss of conservative mps, and it would be very— want a loss of conservative mps, and it would be very sensible, _ want a loss of conservative mps, and it would be very sensible, having - it would be very sensible, having spent _ it would be very sensible, having spent all — it would be very sensible, having spent all that _ it would be very sensible, having spent all that time _ it would be very sensible, having spent all that time defeating - spent all that time defeating conservative _ spent all that time defeating conservative mps _ spent all that time defeating conservative mps to - spent all that time defeating conservative mps to get - spent all that time defeating. conservative mps to get them spent all that time defeating - conservative mps to get them out of government— conservative mps to get them out of government onty _ conservative mps to get them out of government only to _ conservative mps to get them out of government only to put _ conservative mps to get them out of government only to put them - conservative mps to get them out of government only to put them back l conservative mps to get them out of. government only to put them back in. potiticians _ government only to put them back in. politicians often _ government only to put them back in. politicians often change _ government only to put them back in. politicians often change their- politicians often change their minds, but you have been very clear you wouldn't do that. would you do a coalition with sir keir starmer? with labour? it coalition with sir keir starmer? with labour?— coalition with sir keir starmer? with labour? it is a hypothetical cuestion. with labour? it is a hypothetical question- it _ with labour? it is a hypothetical question. it is _ with labour? it is a hypothetical question. it is a _ with labour? it is a hypothetical question. it is a very _ with labour? it is a hypothetical question. it is a very real - question. it is a very real political _ question. it is a very real political question. - question. it is a very real political question. to - question. it is a very real - political question. to answer one question. it is a very real _ political question. to answer one of our political question. to answer one of your questions _ political question. to answer one of your questions earlier, _ political question. to answer one of your questions earlier, we - political question. to answer one of your questions earlier, we are - political question. to answer one of your questions earlier, we are not l your questions earlier, we are not going _ your questions earlier, we are not going to _ your questions earlier, we are not going to take _ your questions earlier, we are not going to take the _ your questions earlier, we are not going to take the voters _ your questions earlier, we are not going to take the voters for- going to take the voters for granted _ going to take the voters for granted we _ going to take the voters for granted. we have - going to take the voters for granted. we have got - going to take the voters for granted. we have got to. going to take the voters for. granted. we have got to earn going to take the voters for- granted. we have got to earn their support _ granted. we have got to earn their support we — granted. we have got to earn their support. we have _ granted. we have got to earn their support. we have got— granted. we have got to earn their support. we have got to _ granted. we have got to earn their support. we have got to get - granted. we have got to earn their support. we have got to get into. granted. we have got to earn their support. we have got to get into a| support. we have got to get into a position— support. we have got to get into a position where _ support. we have got to get into a position where there _ support. we have got to get into a position where there are _ support. we have got to get into a position where there are many- support. we have got to get into a l position where there are many more liberat— position where there are many more liberal democrat— position where there are many more liberal democrat mps. _ position where there are many more liberal democrat mps. but - position where there are many more liberal democrat mps.— liberal democrat mps. but you ex - licitl liberal democrat mps. but you explicitly ruling _ liberal democrat mps. but you explicitly ruling out _ liberal democrat mps. but you explicitly ruling out working . liberal democrat mps. but you. explicitly ruling out working with the conservatives. i know you don't want to give a 100% clarity, but by

implication you are open to working with labour in some kind of coalition arrangement? the with labour in some kind of coalition arrangement? the focus is on caettin coalition arrangement? the focus is on getting rid _ coalition arrangement? the focus is on getting rid of— coalition arrangement? the focus is on getting rid of conservative - coalition arrangement? the focus is on getting rid of conservative mps, | on getting rid of conservative mps, and i_ on getting rid of conservative mps, and i make — on getting rid of conservative mps, and i make no— on getting rid of conservative mps, and i make no apology— on getting rid of conservative mps, and i make no apology for- on getting rid of conservative mps, and i make no apology for that. - on getting rid of conservative mps,| and i make no apology for that. our viewers are — and i make no apology for that. viewers are not daft, they can hear you say you will never work with the tories, but you don't say that about the labour party. if they were to be hung parliament, and sir keir starmer gets you on the blower after your chat in westminster abbey and says, i need your backing, what would your price be? that says, i need your backing, what would your price be?— would your price be? that is a hypothetical _ would your price be? that is a hypothetical question. - would your price be? that is a hypothetical question. when i would your price be? that is a i hypothetical question. when i'm knocking — hypothetical question. when i'm knocking on— hypothetical question. when i'm knocking on doors _ hypothetical question. when i'm knocking on doors around - hypothetical question. when i'm knocking on doors around the i hypothetical question. when i'm - knocking on doors around the country and talking _ knocking on doors around the country and talking and — knocking on doors around the country and talking and listening _ knocking on doors around the country and talking and listening to _ knocking on doors around the country and talking and listening to people i and talking and listening to people on the _ and talking and listening to people on the nhs — and talking and listening to people on the nhs and _ and talking and listening to people on the nhs and the _ and talking and listening to people on the nhs and the cost _ and talking and listening to people on the nhs and the cost of- and talking and listening to people on the nhs and the cost of living, i on the nhs and the cost of living, on the nhs and the cost of living, on sewage. — on the nhs and the cost of living, on sewage. many— on the nhs and the cost of living, on sewage, many other— on the nhs and the cost of living, on sewage, many other issues, . on the nhs and the cost of living, i on sewage, many other issues, they are not— on sewage, many other issues, they are not bringing _ on sewage, many other issues, they are not bringing that— on sewage, many other issues, they are not bringing that up. _ on sewage, many other issues, they are not bringing that up. they- on sewage, many other issues, they are not bringing that up. they wanti are not bringing that up. they want to know— are not bringing that up. they want to know what — are not bringing that up. they want to know what the _ are not bringing that up. they want to know what the liberal _ are not bringing that up. they want to know what the liberal democrat| to know what the liberal democrat policies _ to know what the liberal democrat policies would _ to know what the liberal democrat policies would be, _ to know what the liberal democrat policies would be, and _ to know what the liberal democrat policies would be, and what - to know what the liberal democrat policies would be, and what i - to know what the liberal democrat policies would be, and what i want�* policies would be, and what i want to do— policies would be, and what i want to do is— policies would be, and what i want to do is to — policies would be, and what i want to do is to win— policies would be, and what i want to do is to win lots _ policies would be, and what i want to do is to win lots of— policies would be, and what i want to do is to win lots of seats, - policies would be, and what i want to do is to win lots of seats, many| to do is to win lots of seats, many of the _ to do is to win lots of seats, many of the conservatives, _ to do is to win lots of seats, many of the conservatives, some - to do is to win lots of seats, many of the conservatives, some of- to do is to win lots of seats, many of the conservatives, some of the| of the conservatives, some of the sup, _ of the conservatives, some of the snp, then— of the conservatives, some of the snp, then you _ of the conservatives, some of the snp, then you have _ of the conservatives, some of the snp, then you have lots- of the conservatives, some of the snp, then you have lots of- of the conservatives, some of that snp, then you have lots of liberal democrat — snp, then you have lots of liberal democrat mps _ snp, then you have lots of liberal democrat mps able _ snp, then you have lots of liberal democrat mps able to _ snp, then you have lots of liberal democrat mps able to push - snp, then you have lots of liberal. democrat mps able to push forward liberal— democrat mps able to push forward liberal democrat _ democrat mps able to push forward liberal democrat policies, - democrat mps able to push forward liberal democrat policies, not - democrat mps able to push forward liberal democrat policies, notjustl liberal democrat policies, notjust as a combination _ liberal democrat policies, notjust as a combination of _ liberal democrat policies, notjust as a combination of the _ liberal democrat policies, notjust as a combination of the next - as a combination of the next parliament _ as a combination of the next parliament.— as a combination of the next parliament. and whatever the combination _ parliament. and whatever the combination might _ parliament. and whatever the combination might be, - parliament. and whatever the combination might be, the . parliament. and whatever the - combination might be, the liberal democrats have previously had an

understanding from your party that the price of working with labour would be proportional representation, a change to the electoral system. representation, a change to the electoralsystem. is representation, a change to the electoral system. is that still the case? ~ . ., electoral system. is that still the case? ~ ., ., ., ., electoral system. is that still the case? . ., ., ., ., ., case? we are going to have a manifesto — case? we are going to have a manifesto for _ case? we are going to have a manifesto for the _ case? we are going to have a manifesto for the next - case? we are going to have a l manifesto for the next election case? we are going to have a - manifesto for the next election and there _ manifesto for the next election and there will— manifesto for the next election and there will be — manifesto for the next election and there will be a _ manifesto for the next election and there will be a whole _ manifesto for the next election and there will be a whole set _ manifesto for the next election and there will be a whole set of- there will be a whole set of policies _ there will be a whole set of olicies. �* there will be a whole set of olicies. . , ., ., there will be a whole set of olicies. ~ , ., ., , policies. all parties have that. is it still the case? _ policies. all parties have that. is it still the case? on _ policies. all parties have that. is it still the case? on the - policies. all parties have that. is it still the case? on the nhs, i policies. all parties have that. is it still the case? on the nhs, on the environment, _ it still the case? on the nhs, on the environment, and _ it still the case? on the nhs, on the environment, and police, . the environment, and police, education. _ the environment, and police, education, the _ the environment, and police, education, the economy. - the environment, and police, i education, the economy. and the environment, and police, - education, the economy. and yes, electoral— education, the economy. and yes, electoral reformers _ education, the economy. and yes, electoral reformers are _ education, the economy. and yes, electoral reformers are very - electoral reformers are very important _ electoral reformers are very important for _ electoral reformers are very important for the _ electoral reformers are very important for the liberal- electoral reformers are very - important for the liberal democrats, i important for the liberal democrats, l have _ important for the liberal democrats, l have made — important for the liberal democrats, i have made that _ important for the liberal democrats, i have made that point _ important for the liberal democrats, i have made that point time - important for the liberal democrats, i have made that point time and - important for the liberal democrats, | i have made that point time and time again _ i have made that point time and time again the _ i have made that point time and time again. the current— i have made that point time and time again. the current system _ i have made that point time and time again. the current system fails - i have made that point time and time again. the current system fails the l again. the current system fails the voters. _ again. the current system fails the voters. doesn't— again. the current system fails the voters, doesn't put _ again. the current system fails the voters, doesn't put them - again. the current system fails the voters, doesn't put them in - voters, doesn't put them in control of politics — voters, doesn't put them in control of politics 50 _ voters, doesn't put them in control of olitics. , , of politics. so in this hypothetical situation, pr _ of politics. so in this hypothetical situation, pr would _ of politics. so in this hypothetical situation, pr would have - of politics. so in this hypothetical situation, pr would have to - of politics. so in this hypothetical situation, pr would have to be i of politics. so in this hypothetical| situation, pr would have to be on the table? it situation, pr would have to be on the table? , ., , , ., the table? it is absolutely on the table for the _ the table? it is absolutely on the table for the liberal _ the table? it is absolutely on the table for the liberal democrats, | the table? it is absolutely on the . table for the liberal democrats, and it has— table for the liberal democrats, and it has lreen— table for the liberal democrats, and it has been for— table for the liberal democrats, and it has been for years, _ table for the liberal democrats, and it has been for years, and _ table for the liberal democrats, and it has been for years, and i'm - it has been for years, and i'm determined _ it has been for years, and i'm determined to _ it has been for years, and i'm determined to make - it has been for years, and i'm determined to make sure - it has been for years, and i'm determined to make sure ouri determined to make sure our democracy— determined to make sure our democracy is _ determined to make sure our democracy is fairer— determined to make sure our democracy is fairer to - determined to make sure our democracy is fairer to be - determined to make sure our| democracy is fairer to be blunt determined to make sure our- democracy is fairer to be blunt more representative _ democracy is fairer to be blunt more representative. find— democracy is fairer to be blunt more representative.— democracy is fairer to be blunt more representative. and before we close, i have to show _ representative. and before we close, i have to show our _ representative. and before we close, i have to show our viewers _ representative. and before we close, i have to show our viewers a - i have to show our viewers a selection of your stunts from the campaign trail. you look like you are having a great time, and your stunt this week was a giant clock. you had the tractor, the blue wall, and here we are starting with the blue wall. i and here we are starting with the blue wall. ., ., ~ and here we are starting with the blue wall. ., ., ,, ., ,.,

and here we are starting with the - blue wall._ here blue wall. i am making a point. here was the tractor. _ blue wall. i am making a point. here was the tractor. is _ blue wall. i am making a point. here was the tractor. is that _ blue wall. i am making a point. here was the tractor. is that your - was the tractor. is that your favourite one? i was the tractor. is that your favourite one?— was the tractor. is that your favourite one? ,, ., ., favourite one? i did like that one. and here you _ favourite one? i did like that one. and here you were _ favourite one? i did like that one. and here you were on _ favourite one? i did like that one. and here you were on friday. - favourite one? i did like that one. | and here you were on friday. was there a cuckoo meant to pop out of there a cuckoo meant to pop out of the clock? ., , ~ the clock? there was, i think the oint was the clock? there was, i think the point was click _ the clock? there was, i think the point was click on _ the clock? there was, i think the point was click on the _ the clock? there was, i think the point was click on the time - the clock? there was, i think the point was click on the time is - the clock? there was, i think the point was click on the time is up| point was click on the time is up rishi _ point was click on the time is up rishi sunak _ point was click on the time is up rishi sunak.— point was click on the time is up rishi sunak. ., ,, , ., , . rishi sunak. thank you very much. whatever next? _ rishi sunak. thank you very much. whatever next? take _ rishi sunak. thank you very much. whatever next? take a _ rishi sunak. thank you very much. whatever next? take a look - rishi sunak. thank you very much. whatever next? take a look at - rishi sunak. thank you very much. | whatever next? take a look at this. cheering that is the new leader of medway council in kent, vince maple, a victory lap around the leisure centre, it looks like. just one of the places around england where labour broke through, winning more than 500 extra council seats on thursday night, which keir starmer claims puts labour on its way to a majority government. wes streeting, the shadow health secretary, is with us this morning.

looking very chipper. how could i not be? vince _ looking very chipper. how could i not be? vince has _ looking very chipper. how could i not be? vince has been _ looking very chipper. how could i | not be? vince has been absolutely embedded in medway for years, really committed _ embedded in medway for years, really committed to his communities, will be a brilliant council leader, and i think— be a brilliant council leader, and i think that — be a brilliant council leader, and i think thatjoy you be a brilliant council leader, and i think that joy you saw there reflects _ think that joy you saw there reflects results right across england, actually, where labour has made _ england, actually, where labour has made gains — england, actually, where labour has made gains in places that people didn't— made gains in places that people didn't expect us to four years ago, and perhaps even we didn't expect to as the _ and perhaps even we didn't expect to as the results were coming in on thursday. — as the results were coming in on thursday. in— as the results were coming in on thursday, in hartlepool for example where _ thursday, in hartlepool for example where we _ thursday, in hartlepool for example where we thought it might take another— where we thought it might take another cycle for labour to win a majority — another cycle for labour to win a majority on _ another cycle for labour to win a majority on hartlepool council, but we came _ majority on hartlepool council, but we came within two votes of a majority. _ we came within two votes of a majority, so whether it is in the south _ majority, so whether it is in the south of— majority, so whether it is in the south of england, whether it is in the north— south of england, whether it is in the north of england, right across england _ the north of england, right across england in— the north of england, right across england in places where we need to win to _ england in places where we need to win to form — england in places where we need to win to form a majority, labour is winning — win to form a majority, labour is winning back support, and we are confident— winning back support, and we are confident we can win a majority at the next _ confident we can win a majority at the next election, but not complacent, and that is the message i complacent, and that is the message i want _ complacent, and that is the message i want to— complacent, and that is the message i want to get across to your viewers. — i want to get across to your viewers. we are not taking people for granted, we are going to work

hard _ that's interesting because keir starmer clearly used the moment of success on friday to say we are on our way to a majority. that is not quite what the numbers suggest and your share of the vote was exactly the same as it was last year. what the same as it was last year. what we have relearned _ the same as it was last year. what we have relearned as _ the same as it was last year. what we have relearned as a _ the same as it was last year. what we have relearned as a party - the same as it was last year. what we have relearned as a party as we have _ we have relearned as a party as we have recovered from our worst defeat since 1935 _ have recovered from our worst defeat since 1935 is — have recovered from our worst defeat since 1935 is that you have got to work— since 1935 is that you have got to work hard — since 1935 is that you have got to work hard to win people's trust and support— work hard to win people's trust and support and where you clock up the results _ support and where you clock up the results matters. we were ruthlessly focused _ results matters. we were ruthlessly focused on — results matters. we were ruthlessly focused on the areas labour needs to win in— focused on the areas labour needs to win in order— focused on the areas labour needs to win in orderto focused on the areas labour needs to win in order to form a majority at the next — win in order to form a majority at the next election. we saw breakthrough results right across england. — breakthrough results right across england, and we didn't have elections this time in scotland and wales, _ elections this time in scotland and wales, where in scotland we are very much _ wales, where in scotland we are very much lrack— wales, where in scotland we are very much back in— wales, where in scotland we are very much back in contention notjust as a potential— much back in contention notjust as a potential large force in westminster but with the snp implosion people increasingly looking — implosion people increasingly looking to scottish labour and anas sarwar— looking to scottish labour and anas sarwar as— looking to scottish labour and anas sarwar as an alternative government in scotland _ sarwar as an alternative government in scotland as well. why sarwar as an alternative government in scotland as well.— in scotland as well. why do you say ou are in scotland as well. why do you say you are confident _ in scotland as well. why do you say you are confident you _ in scotland as well. why do you say you are confident you can _ in scotland as well. why do you say you are confident you can get - you are confident you can get a majority when the numbers don't show

that you can be confident of majority? the tories have had a shocking year and your share of the vote didn't change.— vote didn't change. lara, i honestly think we could _ vote didn't change. lara, i honestly think we could be _ vote didn't change. lara, i honestly think we could be sat _ vote didn't change. lara, i honestly think we could be sat here - vote didn't change. lara, i honestly think we could be sat here on - think we could be sat here on election— think we could he sat here on election night or the morning after, keir starmer could be on his way to downing _ keir starmer could be on his way to downing street and a new labour government and people would still say a _ government and people would still say a disappointing night for the conservatives but labour could have done better. come on! the conservatives but labour could have done better. come on!— done better. come on! the fact is our done better. come on! the fact is your share _ done better. come on! the fact is your share of _ done better. come on! the fact is your share of the _ done better. come on! the fact is your share of the vote _ done better. come on! the fact is your share of the vote didn't - done better. come on! the fact is| your share of the vote didn't shift. independent experts likejohn curtis and others say the numbers show you cannot be confident of a majority and that is what you are telling the public. and that is what you are telling the ublic. , . , and that is what you are telling the ublic. , ., , �* , ., and that is what you are telling the ublic. , ._ �*, ., ., public. thursday night's at local elections were _ public. thursday night's at local elections were exactly - public. thursday night's at local elections were exactly that, - public. thursday night's at local. elections were exactly that, local election— elections were exactly that, local election results are not a prediction for the next general election — prediction for the next general election. people do vote differently locally _ election. people do vote differently

locally and nationally and one of the reasons i'm confident of labour's _ the reasons i'm confident of labour's ability to win the next general— labour's ability to win the next general election is on two fronts. i spoke _ general election is on two fronts. i spoke to— general election is on two fronts. i spoke to voters in recent weeks in the north—east, south yorkshire, in those _ the north—east, south yorkshire, in those marginal constituencies and i found _ those marginal constituencies and i found undecided voters who weren't yet with— found undecided voters who weren't yet with us— found undecided voters who weren't yet with us on thursday but they were _ yet with us on thursday but they were saying i'm thinking about labour— were saying i'm thinking about labour for the next general election _ labour for the next general election. and the second thing is for the _ election. and the second thing is for the labour party the best is yet to come _ for the labour party the best is yet to come. keir starmer is setting out on a big _ to come. keir starmer is setting out on a big mission for health notjust do cut— on a big mission for health notjust do cut nhs— on a big mission for health notjust do cut nhs waiting times to but to build _ do cut nhs waiting times to but to build an— do cut nhs waiting times to but to build an nhs fit for the future which — build an nhs fit for the future which will be shortly followed by our mission to tackle the gap in opportunities for kids from working—class backgrounds like mine, and of— working—class backgrounds like mine, and of course we have our conference to come. _ and of course we have our conference to come. our— and of course we have our conference to come, our manifesto to come, the is yet _ to come, our manifesto to come, the is yet to— to come, our manifesto to come, the is yet to come. find to come, our manifesto to come, the is yet to come-— is yet to come. and you hope you will win the _ is yet to come. and you hope you will win the next _ is yet to come. and you hope you will win the next general- is yet to come. and you hope you will win the next general election j will win the next general election and it will continue to build but as things stand you know that people wonder about what might happen if is the biggest party you don't get into

government, you don't have a majority. we were just talking to ed davey about whether he would work with a labour government in order to help them have enough seats in the house of commons, would you be open to a coalition with the lib dems? i know the conservative party would love us _ know the conservative party would love us to — know the conservative party would love us to be talking about whether there _ love us to be talking about whether there will— love us to be talking about whether there will be a coalition after the next _ there will be a coalition after the next general election because bizarrely— next general election because bizarrely after the local elections they said — bizarrely after the local elections they said we didn'tjust bizarrely after the local elections they said we didn't just lose seats to labour, — they said we didn't just lose seats to labour, we lost seats to everyone as if it _ to labour, we lost seats to everyone as if it was _ to labour, we lost seats to everyone as if it was an— to labour, we lost seats to everyone as if it was an achievement.- as if it was an achievement. would ou be as if it was an achievement. would you be open _ as if it was an achievement. would you be open to _ as if it was an achievement. would you be open to a — as if it was an achievement. would you be open to a coalition - as if it was an achievement. would you be open to a coalition with - as if it was an achievement. would you be open to a coalition with the j you be open to a coalition with the lib dems? taste you be open to a coalition with the lib dems? ~ ~ you be open to a coalition with the lib dems? ~ ,, .., you be open to a coalition with the lib dems?— lib dems? we think we can win a ma'ori . lib dems? we think we can win a majority- that's _ lib dems? we think we can win a majority. that's what _ lib dems? we think we can win a majority. that's what we - lib dems? we think we can win a majority. that's what we are - lib dems? we think we can win a - majority. that's what we are working towards. _ majority. that's what we are working towards, what we are fighting far and i_ towards, what we are fighting far and i think— towards, what we are fighting far and i think people can go confidently to the polls at the next general _ confidently to the polls at the next general election knowing a labour government is possible and within our grasp — government is possible and within our grasp. as for the liberal democrats, i don't think edward would _ democrats, i don't think edward would mind me saying that the reason david cameron got a majority in 2015 was because he went and hoovered up a whole _ was because he went and hoovered up a whole load of seats in the south

of england — a whole load of seats in the south of england where they are lib dems versus— of england where they are lib dems versus conservative races so lib dems _ versus conservative races so lib dems recovery in those areas isn't somehow— dems recovery in those areas isn't somehow a — dems recovery in those areas isn't somehow a risk to a labour majority, it is a _ somehow a risk to a labour majority, it is a path— somehow a risk to a labour majority, it is a path to — somehow a risk to a labour majority, it is a path to a labour majority, and of— it is a path to a labour majority, and of course only labour can win a majority _ and of course only labour can win a majority. whether it is in scotland where _ majority. whether it is in scotland where anas sarwar is leading the recovery, — where anas sarwar is leading the recovery, whether it's across the uk, labour— recovery, whether it's across the uk, labourcan recovery, whether it's across the uk, labour can win a general election _ uk, labour can win a general election-— uk, labour can win a general election. ., , , , election. people will be interested in our election. people will be interested in your answer _ election. people will be interested in your answer to _ election. people will be interested in your answer to this, _ election. people will be interested in your answer to this, would - election. people will be interested in your answer to this, would you | in your answer to this, would you rule out a coalition with the lib dems? ~ ., ., ,, ., dems? we are not in the ballpark of talkin: dems? we are not in the ballpark of talking about _ dems? we are not in the ballpark of talking about coalition _ dems? we are not in the ballpark of| talking about coalition governments. we are _ talking about coalition governments. we are talking about cutting the cost of — we are talking about cutting the cost of living, cutting nhs waiting lists, _ cost of living, cutting nhs waiting lists, cutting crime with policies that saw — lists, cutting crime with policies that saw people come to labour on thursday— that saw people come to labour on thursday night and more policy still to come _ thursday night and more policy still to come to — thursday night and more policy still to come to convince people that labour — to come to convince people that labour can— to come to convince people that labour can be trusted with the economy, _ labour can be trusted with the economy, with law and order, the issues _ economy, with law and order, the issues that— economy, with law and order, the issues that cast us boats at previous— issues that cast us boats at previous elections and we can be trusted _ previous elections and we can be trusted to— previous elections and we can be trusted to rebuild our public services _ trusted to rebuild our public services and give people hope back. the woman— services and give people hope back. the woman i met in mansfield the

other— the woman i met in mansfield the other day— the woman i met in mansfield the other day who is waiting 18 months for a hip— other day who is waiting 18 months for a hip operation, at the same time _ for a hip operation, at the same time going _ for a hip operation, at the same time going out and working full time and told _ time going out and working full time and told me she hasn't got enough money— and told me she hasn't got enough money to— and told me she hasn't got enough money to even do the shopping in the supermarket she works at with a 10% discount _ supermarket she works at with a 10% discount. labour is going to be the party— discount. labour is going to be the party of— discount. labour is going to be the party of government after the next general— party of government after the next general election if we are working hard and — general election if we are working hard and not complacent. it is ossible hard and not complacent. it is possible you _ hard and not complacent. it is possible you might _ hard and not complacent. it 3 possible you might need help from another party, would you ever offered the lib dems proportional representation? i offered the lib dems proportional representation?— representation? i don't think proportional— representation? i don't think proportional representation l representation? i don't think i proportional representation will representation? i don't think - proportional representation will be in labour's — proportional representation will be in labour's manifesto. we have more work— in labour's manifesto. we have more work to— in labour's manifesto. we have more work to do— in labour's manifesto. we have more work to do on— in labour's manifesto. we have more work to do on our manifesto, which we publish — work to do on our manifesto, which we publish closer to the election, but people can already see whether it's the _ but people can already see whether it's the windfall tax on oil and gas companies, — it's the windfall tax on oil and gas companies, to lower people's bills, the biggest expansion of nhs staff in history, whether its 13,000 more police _ in history, whether its 13,000 more police officers on the streets in neighbourhoods, labour has the policies — neighbourhoods, labour has the policies that speak to the priorities of the country. rishi sunak— priorities of the country. rishi sunak had nothing to say and doesn't

even have _ sunak had nothing to say and doesn't even have the decency to apologise for being _ even have the decency to apologise for being so out of touch and failing — for being so out of touch and failing so— for being so out of touch and failing so many people. ed, for being so out of touch and failing so many people.- for being so out of touch and failing so many people. ed, i know ou have failing so many people. ed, i know you have been _ failing so many people. ed, i know you have been listening _ failing so many people. ed, i know you have been listening intently, l failing so many people. ed, i knowj you have been listening intently, it doesn't sound like proportional representation will get into the manifesto, what do you say to that? it is up to the labour party. we will be putting ambitious policies forward and we will have a fascinating manifesto and i'm really looking forward to putting it to the people. i looking forward to putting it to the eo - le. ., ., looking forward to putting it to the --eole. ., ., ., ,, looking forward to putting it to the --eole. . ., ., ~' ., looking forward to putting it to the n-eole. ., ., ., ~' ., ,., looking forward to putting it to the n-eole. ., ., ., ~ ., ., people. i want to talk to you also about the protest _ people. i want to talk to you also about the protest yesterday - people. i want to talk to you also about the protest yesterday at i people. i want to talk to you also | about the protest yesterday at the coronation. it was an event lots of people clearly enjoyed massively but there were what appeared to be some peaceful protests where arrests took place. are you comfortable with what you know from what we saw yesterday or do you think there are questions about how it was handled? {line or do you think there are questions about how it was handled? one thing i do feel reassured _ about how it was handled? one thing i do feel reassured about _ about how it was handled? one thing i do feel reassured about this - i do feel reassured about this morning _ i do feel reassured about this morning is that the metropolitan police _ morning is that the metropolitan police and their new commissioner mark— police and their new commissioner mark rowley know that there is a gap

at the _ mark rowley know that there is a gap at the moment in terms of public confidence — at the moment in terms of public confidence in policing and the met police _ confidence in policing and the met police in— confidence in policing and the met police in particular, and where the met would — police in particular, and where the met would want to be, and they are explaining _ met would want to be, and they are explaining and justifying why they made _ explaining and justifying why they made arrests in some cases yesterday. i think we will wait and see _ yesterday. i think we will wait and see these — yesterday. i think we will wait and see. these are potentially still ongoing — see. these are potentially still ongoing investigations. we will wait and see _ ongoing investigations. we will wait and see if— ongoing investigations. we will wait and see if they got the balance right— and see if they got the balance right but— and see if they got the balance right but the accountability piece in this— right but the accountability piece in this is— right but the accountability piece in this is important, it's also important _ in this is important, it's also important to acknowledge that while most of— important to acknowledge that while most of us yesterday were celebrating what was an amazing day, people _ celebrating what was an amazing day, people packed the mall and the abbey and lots _ people packed the mall and the abbey and lots of street parties in my constituency, there were also people protesting _ constituency, there were also people protesting in trafalgar square. it's a legitimate view, not one i agree with, _ a legitimate view, not one i agree with. but— a legitimate view, not one i agree with. but i— a legitimate view, not one i agree with, but i thought actually that shows _ with, but i thought actually that shows our democracy at its best that people _ shows our democracy at its best that people can _ shows our democracy at its best that people can disagree and disagree well, _ people can disagree and disagree well, i_ people can disagree and disagree well, i hope, and i think it is for the met — well, i hope, and i think it is for the met to— well, i hope, and i think it is for the met to explain the arrests and make _ the met to explain the arrests and make sure — the met to explain the arrests and make sure they got the balance right~ _ make sure they got the balance right if— make sure they got the balance right. if they didn't get it right,

ithink— right. if they didn't get it right, i think the _ right. if they didn't get it right, i think the kc review will hold hands — i think the kc review will hold hands up _ i think the kc review will hold hands up— i think the kc review will hold handsu-.~ ., ., ,, , , hands up. we have talked briefly about reparations _ hands up. we have talked briefly about reparations and _ hands up. we have talked briefly about reparations and an - hands up. we have talked briefly| about reparations and an apology hands up. we have talked briefly - about reparations and an apology for things that happened during empire for the royal family and the government, would labour do that? tony blair apologised back in 2007 when _ tony blair apologised back in 2007 when he _ tony blair apologised back in 2007 when he was prime minister. i will say a _ when he was prime minister. i will say a couple of things briefly. one is that— say a couple of things briefly. one is that we — say a couple of things briefly. one is that we have got to view british history— is that we have got to view british history in— is that we have got to view british history in the round, the highs and lows and _ history in the round, the highs and lows and in— history in the round, the highs and lows and in between. we shouldn't be on the _ lows and in between. we shouldn't be on the defensive about our record on empire. _ on the defensive about our record on empire. we — on the defensive about our record on empire, we should be honest and open about— empire, we should be honest and open about the _ empire, we should be honest and open about the terrible injustices, but also lets — about the terrible injustices, but also lets more importantly look to the future — also lets more importantly look to the future. i think it's outrageous black— the future. i think it's outrageous black women are four times more likely— black women are four times more likely to _ black women are four times more likely to die in childbirth than white — likely to die in childbirth than white women. it's appalling the gap is there _ white women. it's appalling the gap is there between the richest and poorest— is there between the richest and poorest backgrounds as well, 2.5 times— poorest backgrounds as well, 2.5 times more likely to die as a poor

woman— times more likely to die as a poor woman than a wealthy woman. let's focus _ woman than a wealthy woman. let's focus on _ woman than a wealthy woman. let's focus on the — woman than a wealthy woman. let's focus on the disadvantaged and the class barriers in our society the whole — class barriers in our society the whole people in working class backgrounds back and people in ethnic— backgrounds back and people in ethnic minority is a double disadvantage. let's look to the future — disadvantage. let's look to the future and build a more fair society~ _ future and build a more fair socie . ~ , ,, ., , ., society. wes streeting, always great to have ou society. wes streeting, always great to have you in _ society. wes streeting, always great to have you in the _ society. wes streeting, always great to have you in the studio, _ society. wes streeting, always great to have you in the studio, thanks - to have you in the studio, thanks for coming in. we're nearing ten o'clock, and remember we started this morning asking what next for our political parties after the elections on thursday. we absolutely need to reflect. i think rishi sunak has only been the prime ministerfor six months... it's not five minutes, it is six months. �* it's not five minutes, it is six months-— months. but these are huge challenges _ months. but these are huge challenges that _ months. but these are huge challenges that countries i months. but these are huge | challenges that countries are months. but these are huge - challenges that countries are facing internationally.— internationally. labour is winning back support _ internationally. labour is winning back support and _ internationally. labour is winning back support and we _ internationally. labour is winning back support and we are - internationally. labour is winning | back support and we are confident internationally. labour is winning - back support and we are confident we can win _ back support and we are confident we can win a _ back support and we are confident we can win a majority at the next election— can win a majority at the next election but not complacent. it election but not complacent. [it feels election but not complacent. feels like election but not complacent. it feels like we are already in the next general election. final word to our panel. alison, in your view what comes next for our political parties? we have had a flavour of it

this morning. rishi sunak keeping his head down, and labour increasingly bullish. i his head down, and labour increasingly bullish.- his head down, and labour increasingly bullish. i think rishi sunak feels _ increasingly bullish. i think rishi sunak feels the _ increasingly bullish. i think rishi sunak feels the further - increasingly bullish. i think rishi sunak feels the further he - increasingly bullish. i think rishi sunak feels the further he can . increasingly bullish. i think rishi i sunak feels the further he can get from the car crash of liz truss, the more trust he can get. with labour i think we are still waiting to see the stardust, maybe that's to come. what do you think is next? the the stardust, maybe that's to come. what do you think is next?— what do you think is next? the tory -a have what do you think is next? the tory party have continuously _ what do you think is next? the tory l party have continuously demonstrated they are _ party have continuously demonstrated they are out of touch with what people — they are out of touch with what people are suffering and the cost of living _ people are suffering and the cost of living crisis— people are suffering and the cost of living crisis but i do think that's a -- i_ living crisis but i do think that's a -- i do — living crisis but i do think that's a —— i do think complacency could potentially — a —— i do think complacency could potentially cost labour and let's hope _ potentially cost labour and let's hope it — potentially cost labour and let's hope it won't. potentially cost labour and let's hope it won't-— potentially cost labour and let's hope it won't. final word to you, ed. it is clear _ hope it won't. final word to you, ed. it is clear people _ hope it won't. final word to you, ed. it is clear people are - hope it won't. final word to you, ed. it is clear people are fed - hope it won't. final word to you, ed. it is clear people are fed up| ed. it is clear people are fed up with the conservatives - ed. it is clear people are fed up with the conservatives and - ed. it is clear people are fed up with the conservatives and nowj with the conservatives and now it's important — with the conservatives and now it's important for — with the conservatives and now it's important for the _ with the conservatives and now it's important for the liberal— with the conservatives and now it'si important for the liberal democrats and other— important for the liberal democrats and other parties— important for the liberal democrats and other parties to _ important for the liberal democrats and other parties to put _ important for the liberal democrats and other parties to put forward - and other parties to put forward their— and other parties to put forward their case, _ and other parties to put forward their case, make _ and other parties to put forward their case, make it— and other parties to put forward their case, make it clear- and other parties to put forward their case, make it clear what . and other parties to put forward i their case, make it clear what we stand _ their case, make it clear what we

stand for. — their case, make it clear what we stand for, which _ their case, make it clear what we stand for, which i— their case, make it clear what we stand for, which i think— their case, make it clear what we stand for, which i think are - their case, make it clear what we stand for, which i think are great| stand for, which i think are great policies~ — stand for, which i think are great policies~ lt— stand for, which i think are great olicies. ., , ~' stand for, which i think are great olicies. ., , ,, ., policies. it does feel like we are already in _ policies. it does feel like we are already in the _ policies. it does feel like we are already in the election - policies. it does feel like we are already in the election even - policies. it does feel like we are i already in the election even though it's a century away in political years. this week, rishi sunak�*s hope that keeping calm and carrying on would appeal has been confronted by the reality that voters, lots of you, want to punish his party. shaking that mood in time for a general election is not impossible, but it's a tall order after 13 years in charge. labour scents victory, but it has a task to persuade you it deserves enough of your support to get into government on its own. but enough of sketching out the future. thank you so much for your company, and you can of course catch up on iplayer — but we'll close this morning with a final look at a day of history... king charles iii's coronation. goodbye.

hello, live from london, this is bbc news. coronation celebrations continue across uk with the main event taking place at windsor palace goal —— windsor castle. a safety warning in ukraine. and eight people are dead and another seven injured after a shooting in texas. hello, welcome to the programme. the met police in london says it understands the public concern about the arrest of 52 people who are