hello, you are watching the context on bbc news and we're going to dispense of the headlines this evening at the district of new york because they are breaking news of the top of the sour. the jury in the civil cases reached a verdict in which donald trump is accused of rape. the colonists claims that before donald trump became the president, he raped her in a department store dressing room and the defender by dismissing her account is a hoax. donald trump did not give evidence in this trumpet to provide a video deposition denying the accusations and the 9—member

jury the accusations and the 9—member jury decided the unanimous vote and do to hear that in the next few minutes. let's go to new york and do we have any news on what that verdict is yet?— we have any news on what that verdict is yet? not yet, christian. that verdict _ verdict is yet? not yet, christian. that verdict will _ verdict is yet? not yet, christian. that verdict will be _ verdict is yet? not yet, christian. that verdict will be read - verdict is yet? not yet, christian. that verdict will be read out - verdict is yet? not yet, christian. that verdict will be read out at i verdict is yet? not yet, christian. | that verdict will be read out at the top of the hour and we will then hear if the jury has found donald trump liable or not liable for rape for defaming carol and if they do find him liable, they will also outline how much money and damages to compensate her for her injuries as well as some is punitive damages they will award carol. under three hours of deliberations and the jury has reached a decision on the key questions and we will hear what that is shortly and it's important to remind people that the standard of

proof in this civil case is a bit different than a criminal case and the timing of deliberations and they do not have to find beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not donald trump is liable for rape and defamation. they need to decide essentially who they believe more, whether it is more likely than not that carol's story is true or if it's more likely than not that it is false stop but he did not give any evidence in this case and she did release a deposition and a lot of that was played to the jury. joe, donald trump lawyer shall parts the deposition where trump got quite angry and saying that it was a disgusting, ridiculous story that never happened and said rape is one of the worst things anyone could be accused of an event happened in an upscale department store, but

somebody would've heard it happen. they would've heard it within minutes. joe also said in his closing arguments that the complaint that donald trump never even showed up, never called any witnesses and said there was no witnesses for him to call because the attack never happened and because she did not provide a specific date, that it robbed donald trump of an alibi. so, joe tacopina was quite fierce in his statements attacking e. jean carroll's credibility. we will see if that is enough to overcome the evidence that e. jean carroll's team presented. we evidence that e. jean carroll's team resented. ~ ., ., evidence that e. jean carroll's team resented. ., ., ~ ., ., , presented. we do not know how they will view donald _ presented. we do not know how they will view donald trump _ presented. we do not know how they will view donald trump not _ presented. we do not know how they| will view donald trump not appearing in court but there was that they would take a while to come to a verdict measurement we say, they have to come to unanimous verdict

does the fact that they've come to a conclusion within just a few hours, what does that signify?— what does that signify? look, christian i _ what does that signify? look, christian i have _ what does that signify? look, christian i have to _ what does that signify? look, christian i have to say - what does that signify? look, christian i have to say that i what does that signify? look, christian i have to say that if| christian i have to say that if you're donald trump right now, you're donald trump right now, you're taking noted how quickly the jury you're taking noted how quickly the jury came to a decision, you would think that if this jury had a few people for disagreeing about talking to this disagreements and going through the evidence would take some time. here, we never had thejury come back with any kind of additional questions, actually to review any of the evidence and perhaps they were on the same page and there weren't any real issues to be resolved and if you're donald trump come about because some worry. and no one but thejury trump come about because some worry. and no one but the jury knows their decision is in the room with them. we will find out in just a few

moments. i we will find out in 'ust a few momentah we will find out in 'ust a few moments. ., ., ., ., ., , ., moments. i did not want to do a you on the spot — moments. i did not want to do a you on the spot by _ moments. i did not want to do a you on the spot by know _ moments. i did not want to do a you on the spot by know from time - moments. i did not want to do a you on the spot by know from time to i on the spot by know from time to time you do look at the jury selection some these cases that you coverfor selection some these cases that you cover for us selection some these cases that you coverfor us in selection some these cases that you cover for us in york, selection some these cases that you coverfor us in york, it is selection some these cases that you cover for us in york, it is a state that votes heavily forjoe biden and would be some concern that the jury would be some concern that the jury would be some concern that the jury would be selected in new york for the defence is there anything you can tell us about this jury that might be problematic for donald trump. i might be problematic for donald trum -. u, might be problematic for donald trum -. u, , ., might be problematic for donald trum. ., , trump. i can give you a little bit of a sense _ trump. i can give you a little bit of a sense of— trump. i can give you a little bit of a sense of how _ trump. i can give you a little bit of a sense of how this _ trump. i can give you a little bit of a sense of how thisjury i trump. i can give you a little bit of a sense of how this jury was l of a sense of how this jury was picked. it was a unique process and normally you have both sides in the jury normally you have both sides in the jury selection questioning members about certain questions about political bias and how they feel about donald trump and if there's any bias they hold that would prevent them from delivering an impartial ruling and evidence in this case, thejudge himself to impartial ruling and evidence in this case, the judge himself to the questioning and he wanted this to be

a smooth process and also want to make sure this jury remained anonymous which meant that every morning, thejurors into a anonymous which meant that every morning, the jurors into a selected location, us marshals met them and then brought them to the courthouse and the names of not been released. really, extraordinary measures have been taken to make sure that this jury been taken to make sure that this jury can do their work without coming under attack by anyone on the public, without having to worry about any of that. and has they say, the judge took it upon himself to make sure they he asked the questions in this case and the jury selection could be a smooth as possible and that could go without a hitch and i think we have seen donald trump comment on tricked social today, donald trump comment on tricked socialtoday, it's donald trump comment on tricked social today, it's been quiet after his lawyer was told by the judge to have his clients stop going on social media to speak about this case. a donald trump made a claim though that he was never able to come in person in court and that he

was silence. but it simply is not true in thejudge was silence. but it simply is not true in the judge even after donald trump said he would not testify, he gave me an additional few days to change his mind, gave mental sunday to make the case to say whether he wanted this to be reopened to testify i think of donald trump if they find them liable and he wants to appeal this, collective find some very good evidence because the judge has been very meticulous to make sure that no one could say this was in favour of one party or the other. donald trump lawyer had the decision to make and there was risk of putting donald trump on the stands and like we said earlier in the deposition, asking whether or not he had met e. jean carroll and he said yet not and he picked out his former wife was stood in the same we are

just doing the verdict that the us jury just doing the verdict that the us jury finds that donald trump did not rape e. jean carroll. a not guilty verdict. what do you make of that? this whole case hinged on e. jean carroll's credibility. if the jury found donald trump not liability or come i think one of the biggest issues for e. jean carroll was the fact that she could not provide an exact date, not even a day, month or the exact year that went between 1995 or 1996. aside donald trump's lawyers hammering on that point constantly saying that she could not pick out a date for something if it was as dramatic as she claimed, she should've been able to come up with —— traumatic. he said that it rob donald trump of an alibi of being able to come forward to say where he

was at the time or call any witnesses.— was at the time or call any witnesses. , ., , ., witnesses. there is more, they do find that he _ witnesses. there is more, they do find that he did — witnesses. there is more, they do find that he did sexually _ witnesses. there is more, they do find that he did sexually abuse i witnesses. there is more, they do find that he did sexually abuse e. | find that he did sexually abuse e. jean carroll. they have awarded $2 million in compensation and damages for that and also $20,000 in punitive damages for battery claims. i should really correct myself. it's not that they have acquitted him on the charges, they've qualified in the charges, they've qualified in the for the evidence that they've heard and awarded $2 million in competency tory damages for battery. and found him guilty of sexual abuse. taking us for that at some point, for a man who has avoided legal responsibility for so many things over the years, this is really the first time that a court

is found against them in a major way and ahead of the primaries later this year. and ahead of the primaries later this ear. , , , this year. this is the first time that a former _ this year. this is the first time that a former president - this year. this is the first time that a former president has i this year. this is the first time i that a former president has been found liable for sexual assault just to explain that slightly for you on this verdict under whether donald trump was liable, there are different categories in the first being rape and the other being sexual abuse and forced touching. here, thejury has sexual abuse and forced touching. here, the jury has found sexual abuse and forced touching. here, thejury has found him average are saying, it is coming from the court that he is liable for sexual assault, as you say, was really interesting throughout this trial was that e. jean carroll said this was that e. jean carroll said this was all about clearing her name about getting her life back in this had nothing to do with politics, in fact, her lawyers said donald trump had been elected in 2016 when many

people had heard several allegations out there and more than 20 women at accused on trouble sexual assault. many people already knew about this when he came to donald trump and was not about affecting any presidential elections or any political motivations whatsoever. i think you speak to many people, the waiter issues so independent voters and those were not a part of donald trump space will look at the fact that a jury has now heard all of this evidence over two weeks and a jury this evidence over two weeks and a jury which is supposed to be impartial and what they will make of them now concluding that donald trump sexually assaulted e. jean carroll. , ., , trump sexually assaulted e. jean carroll, , ., , , trump sexually assaulted e. jean carroll. , ., , carroll. sorry that this is coming in ieces carroll. sorry that this is coming in pieces but _ carroll. sorry that this is coming in pieces but we _ carroll. sorry that this is coming in pieces but we are _ carroll. sorry that this is coming in pieces but we are being i carroll. sorry that this is coming in pieces but we are being fed . carroll. sorry that this is coming l in pieces but we are being fed this

by court officials and they found trump defamed e. jean carroll on the street social post word he called this a con job and awarded street social post word he called this a conjob and awarded $20,000 extra in punitive damages for the battery claim against donald trump. another they did not find him guilty of rape, the founding guilty sexual abuse. and there's so much polling this weekend which found his figures actually aren't subdued by the many legal challenges that he is facing and i head—to—head withjoe biden, he leads and he is well clear of the field, the rest of the field and the rest of the primary challenges, the likes of rhonda santos was his closest challenger. this must be a huge concern that mar—a—lago is that this is going to affect this

campaign. and with others of the legal challenges still pending. we now legal challenges still pending. - now have a situation where donald trump will be branded as someone who has been found liable of sexual abuse forever in the campaign trail now. you can bet that is challenges will be hammering this point, especially trying to appeal to women and to be frank, it is not a good situation for donald trump to be in. and i will say that when i was here over the last two weeks outside of the courts and going, i did run into a bit of donald trump supporters and they talked about how his persona as a fighter, someone who is willing to take on big battles appeal to him and they are made the decision to be frank about this trial, his

supporters. they spoke about how they do subscribe to his notion that this is all a witch hunt and revert from the jury and they certainly do not think that is the case and noticing that donald trump is going to have to contend with while he tries to remain the front runner for republicans will have to see how other republicans were frankly, afraid of insulting donald trump's base, how they work around this. let's look at the audience of the truth social post. waiting for a jury truth social post. waiting for a jury decision on a false accusation where i'd, despite being the current political candidate and meeting all of this and both parties and not allowed to speak or defend myself, even as heart news reporter screamed questions about this case at me. in the meantime, the other side is falsely accused me of rape and is working with the press and i will

therefore not speak until after the trial. that's not strictly true. his rep is working with the press and i will therefore not speak until after the trial. that's not strictly true. israeli side of the top of the programme, he was given ample opportunity to appeal to appear in court and waiting on sunday giving them more time to consider. that cost a lot of— them more time to consider. that cost a lot of angst _ them more time to consider. that cost a lot of angst for _ them more time to consider. that cost a lot of angst for e. - cost a lot of angst for e. jean carroll's lawyers wondering if they needed to be preparing all weekend for the prospect of donald trump turning up sunday evening and saying that he would testify in this case. i spoke in the lawyers is that there was so much risk attached to him testifying because anything he said could be used in any of the other investigations that are ongoing against them in criminal cases that are ongoing, the civil cases and clearly his advisers would've told them not to do that but to say he did not have the opportunity is

simply not true. they have bent over backwards asking time and time again during the trial if there was something he planned to do when he was overseas in ireland and scotland and opening up a golf course when he was posting on social media, his lawyers admitted clear that he not coming. it is interesting to see that the approach is taking that post to say this was not a fair trial and he also said in that trial that he would be appealing that unconstitutional silencing. but we have to say, given how many opportunities he was afforded to come and testify, i don't see that is being a grounds for appeal. we'll up is being a grounds for appeal. we'll up to see whenjoe tacopina, if he comes to speak to us, were outside waiting to see if e. jean carroll and her team will speak to us, if joe tacopina will make comments and whether he thinks there is any chance of appeal in this case. and

chance of appeal in this case. and ou can chance of appeal in this case. and you can see _ chance of appeal in this case. and you can see if— chance of appeal in this case. and you can see ifjoe _ chance of appeal in this case. and you can see ifjoe tacopina will come and talk to reporters if you're justjoining us, just remind you that in the last few minutes of court in new york is determine former us president donald trump is guilty of sexual assault in the case that was brought by the former colonist e. jean carroll. they acquitted him of rape and e. jean carroll was awarded $2 million in punitive damages. in total, 4.7 million dollars still waiting for her reaction outside the court and will bring you that as of when we get it. as we wait for that, speaking about russia, today was victory day in moscow and the national public holiday across the country to commemorate the great patriotic wars

and in the defeat of nazi germany. under putin, the piece became a muscle or display of russian might, normally the battalions of the latest weaponry, nuclear missiles and compared to the parades that we saw today on red square. 0ur moscow correspondent reports. cheering. it is the day russia likes to project power and invincibility. despite security concerns, the annual victory day parade went ahead on red square to commemorate the defeat of nazi germany. but the war in ukraine made this feel a very different 9th of may. the 80—year—old t34, the only tank on display here. modern tanks are normally

a feature of the victory day parade, not this year. there was no military fly—past, it was cancelled. and there were fewer soldiers here than normal. watching from the stands, russia's commander—in—chief. vladimir putin is under intense pressure. his invasion of ukraine has not gone to plan, but he continues to blame the west. translation: today once again civilisation is at i a decisive turning point. a real war has been unleashed against our homeland. we have repulsed international terrorism in the past, now we will protect the people of donbas and we will ensure our security. and security has become a problem in the kremlin. less than a week ago

it was attacked by drones. the russian authorities blame ukraine. for these as well, the recent string of drone attacks across russia and russian—occupied crimea. and bombs targeting railways and power lines. citing security concerns, some russian regions cancelled local victory day events. the kremlin will be relieved that the moscow parade passed off without incident, but it wasn't the showcase of military might the russian authorities wanted. steve rosenberg, bbc news.

in recent weeks, the head of the russian group has threatened to withdraw his troops on the supplied withdraw his troops on the supplied with more ammunition. today, he posted a new video claiming russian troops had abandoned, run away from a two km position on the russian line. clearances group plucked the gap that if he continues, we would not be able to defend against a counteroffensive. not one to be entirely trusted and ukrainians when i take it at face value but at this point to the splits within the russian commander. let's bring in angelo was been patiently waiting for us this evening is a senior fellow at the institute in washington and the author of a book about president putin. yet understand there was breaking news out of new york and we can see the microphone and new york in the box next to you if things happen, do forgive me if i peel away for that. but let's talk about russia. what

you made of the parade today, a single world war ii tank ruling to red square, what does that tell us about the state the russian armed forces? is about the state the russian armed forces? , , ., ., forces? is very scaled-down parade and the russian _ forces? is very scaled-down parade and the russian armed _ forces? is very scaled-down parade and the russian armed forces i forces? is very scaled-down parade and the russian armed forces are l and the russian armed forces are overstretched and they need more men than ammunition. 0n the other hand, you had a fairly fiery speech from vladimir putin with all the normal complaints against the west, threatening russian having started this war and praising what happened in world war ii and defeating the nazis and sing that russia would defeat the west in this current war just as they defeated nazi germany and so, trying to drum up more popular support for it but it certainly was scaled—down. coinciding with this parade was quite extraordinary because he talks about regular troops abandoning the line and there's even an outburst and it feels like an outburst

against putin himself and i wonder what happens if putin allows that to go unpunished. can he challenge the sorrow in this way and get away with it? 50 sorrow in this way and get away with it? ,, ., ., �* , , sorrow in this way and get away with it? ., a , , . it? so far, he's been very indirect, he is attacked _ it? so far, he's been very indirect, he is attacked the _ it? so far, he's been very indirect, he is attacked the russian - he is attacked the russian military and the ministry of defence and the challenge of the chief and he has not directly criticise putin. he talked about or their grandfathers and the mistakes that they've made again an illusion and we do not know who it is in sephora, he's gotten away with it putin does not mind the people around him quarrelling with each other as long as he is the arbiter. the issue is, it has this gone too far but the russian army in britain has been relying on waggoner to do so much of the fighting in ukraine that the alleged to be very careful before they really cut them down to size. but the message from putin and me for this many times is that the world it's an inflection

point in russia is engaged in this patriotic struggle for its future. how effective is this message at home? does it convince the russian public, do you think?— public, do you think? opinion polls indicate that _ public, do you think? opinion polls indicate that 7094. _ public, do you think? opinion polls indicate that 7094. of _ public, do you think? opinion polls indicate that 7094. of the _ public, do you think? opinion polls indicate that 70% of the russian i indicate that 70% of the russian population still support this war and die actively or passively of the 50% of them say that there should be negotiations and i think a million russians of left russia and they don't buy the sign at all. but i think for the ones who stayed, they've adapted themselves and they've adapted themselves and they've tried to enact the war but putin has managed to convince a good number of them that this is an existential struggle because the west is taking parts of russia and to defeat russia.— to defeat russia. what happens if the are to defeat russia. what happens if they are right _ to defeat russia. what happens if they are right and _ to defeat russia. what happens if they are right and some - to defeat russia. what happens if they are right and some of - to defeat russia. what happens if they are right and some of these | they are right and some of these russian held areas fall to the ukrainians in the line collapses, how would that be for stability inside russia? has

how would that be for stability inside russia?— how would that be for stability inside russia? ~ , ., ., , inside russia? as long as putin will continue to — inside russia? as long as putin will continue to portray _ inside russia? as long as putin will continue to portray this _ inside russia? as long as putin will continue to portray this as - inside russia? as long as putin will continue to portray this as a - inside russia? as long as putin will continue to portray this as a war. continue to portray this as a war with the west, it may be ok but if ukrainians succeed in this suspected counteroffensive in russia suffered more casualties, but i think public support for this war may begin to wane. i'm surprised we haven't seen more protests from the families of those 200,000 young men who have either been killed or wounded in battle. ., , ., , battle. the more serious implications _ battle. the more serious implications of _ battle. the more serious implications of the i battle. the more serious l implications of the rhetoric battle. the more serious i implications of the rhetoric is battle. the more serious - implications of the rhetoric is he views the special operation as an existential threat to the motherland and therefore, he's not going to give up, is he? he cannot afford to give up, is he? he cannot afford to give up. he give up, is he? he cannot afford to cive u. ., , give up, is he? he cannot afford to t ive u a _ ., , , give up, is he? he cannot afford to u-iveu. give up. he has defined us as an existential _ give up. he has defined us as an existential threat _ give up. he has defined us as an existential threat in _ give up. he has defined us as an existential threat in his - give up. he has defined us as an existential threat in his hold i give up. he has defined us as an existential threat in his hold on | existential threat in his hold on power and i think he still believes that eventually the west will cave in a road and support for ukraine will die down in russia can win this

war. but the key is still convinced of that. ., ., war. but the key is still convinced of that. ., ~ , ., war. but the key is still convinced of that. ., ~' , ., , war. but the key is still convinced of that. ., ~ , . war. but the key is still convinced of that. ., ,, , . ., of that. thank you very much for cominu of that. thank you very much for coming on _ of that. thank you very much for coming on the — of that. thank you very much for coming on the programme i of that. thank you very much for coming on the programme to i of that. thank you very much for | coming on the programme to talk about victory day in moscow and we will talk more about that later in the programme, but we are focusing on events in new york and the last few minutes, we have heard from the civil case that a jury, a nine paneljury, six men and three women have found donald trump guilty of sexual abuse they found him guilty of battery and of defamation they have awarded e. jean carroll, the former columnist over $4 million in damages. no criminal implications for this as it is a civil case and donald trump did not give evidence which he and his counsel might be regretting but he was given until sunday to appear in the court and at the end, the jury

on the side deposition that donald trump given in which there are many contradictions and the president, contradicted himself several times and we must conclude then that he did not make a very convincing case because the jury retired after arguments last night at the end of this closing arguments, they've taken just several hours to come to a unanimous verdict. we're looking at the microphones outside that courthouse house and so far, no one has come out to talk to us we are waiting to hear from joe tacopina, who was donald trump's lawyer but we've already had some reaction from donald trump on his truth social outlet. he has said today that he was not given an opportunity to respond but he did, in fact, have plenty of opportunity from the

court. that he did not take up. let's see if we can get some reaction. just trying to fill there we've got your line but i can see that you are indeed there, what you make of the verdict and what you've heard in the decision that the jury has come to? heard in the decision that the “my has come toafi heard in the decision that the “my has come to? this is an astonishing cha ter in has come to? this is an astonishing chapter in an _ has come to? this is an astonishing chapter in an astonishing _ has come to? this is an astonishing chapter in an astonishing book i has come to? this is an astonishing chapter in an astonishing book of i chapter in an astonishing book of donald trump's political life in the jury donald trump's political life in the jury did not wait very long to return a unanimous verdict that she not only sexually assaulted and raped the plaintiff but also defamed her and destroyed her career. millions of dollars and up until this point, there been allegations nearly two dozen women of various occasions over the years but is never been someone like a former

president a presidential nominee. all of which are captured in this moment. , , ., . .. , moment. there is. it is a civil case so there's — moment. there is. it is a civil case so there's no _ moment. there is. it is a civil case so there's no criminal _ moment. there is. it is a civil case so there's no criminal sanction i moment. there is. it is a civil case so there's no criminal sanction butj so there's no criminal sanction but i wonder, clearly that there are prosecutors in new york were prepared to take on donald trump and did they look at the verdict in this case and perhaps think about a criminal prosecution linked to this case? ., criminal prosecution linked to this case? . , . ., , criminal prosecution linked to this case? . , , , case? the detail in this case is the events happened _ case? the detail in this case is the events happened a _ case? the detail in this case is the events happened a long _ case? the detail in this case is the events happened a long time i case? the detail in this case is the events happened a long time ago. case? the detail in this case is the i events happened a long time ago and would be barred by the statute of limitations, new york passed a law for civil liability, allowing one year to bring all claims. i think that although there are number of other criminal cases concerning hush money, concerning documents of mar—a—lago, concerning various election conduct and misconduct, i do not believe there be a criminal

charge arising out of this particular sexual misconduct given the civil liability is quite substantial on an impartial number ofjurors hearing evidence reaching this conclusion in a world where political messaging is often spun and i think this has a certain chance of getting traction with a broader audience.— chance of getting traction with a broader audience. when you talked about a lot being _ broader audience. when you talked about a lot being passed, - broader audience. when you talked about a lot being passed, civil- about a lot being passed, civil cases like this could be heard, was it prodded specifically for this case can be brought against the former president? no, a completely ubiquitous problem concerning cases of sexual assault and sexual misconduct are victims don't come forward as quickly as a slip and fall at a grocery store or someone hit by a car. there are a lot of psychological and deep pressures... i lot of psychological and deep pressures. . ._ lot of psychological and deep pressures... i will interrupt you

because pressures. .. i will interrupt you because i— pressures... i will interrupt you because i can — pressures... i will interrupt you because i can see _ pressures... i will interrupt you because i can see e _ pressures... i will interrupt you because i can see e jean - pressures... i will interrupt you because i can see e jean carroll because i can see ejean carroll coming out of the courtroom. she is holding the hand of a friend. she has just holding the hand of a friend. she hasjust gone holding the hand of a friend. she has just gone out of picture but clearly looking very happy with the verdict. as well she may be because she has been vindicated by this verdict from the jury. but bring in samira hussain. you can probably just see ejean carroll coming out of court. i don't think she has her earpiece and. can you hear me? soumare, you hear me? i know it is pretty chaotic outside court but we have just seen ej carroll caro come out of the doors with a friend and i presume the prosecution lawyer, what is the right reaction from the verdict we have had? brute is the right reaction from the verdict we have had? we haven't heard anything — verdict we have had? we haven't heard anything so _ verdict we have had? we haven't heard anything so far _ verdict we have had? we haven't heard anything so far but - verdict we have had? we haven't heard anything so far but what i verdict we have had? we haven't| heard anything so far but what we have heard from people inside the courtroom was that as the verdict

was being read out it was a very calm kind of atmosphere and she was just looking straight ahead, ejean carroll was looking straight ahead as she was getting the verdict. it wasn't a moment of rejoicing or anything but as soon as it was red you could see she smiled and she looked down and smiled and donald trump as much lawyer moved over and said congratulations and said good luck to you, so that was the mood but she has been quite stoic coming out of the courtroom day after day. she is recounting an event that happened many years ago, but one that now the courts have said the former us president donald trump is liable for and that would be sexual assault. this is a stunning turn of events. it assault. this is a stunning turn of events. , , ., events. it is. i said she would feel vindicated — events. it is. i said she would feel vindicated because _ events. it is. i said she would feel vindicated because of _

events. it is. i said she would feel vindicated because of course i events. it is. i said she would feel vindicated because of course back| vindicated because of course back when this sexual assault was said to have taken place she was told that it would be far too dangerous, she had a very public persona at the time, a well—known columnist, that if she took on donald trump and his team of lawyers she would be demolished. she has and she has won. she has won but it was a long battle for her. let's all remember that she is a victim, someone who has suffered sexual assault at the hands of the former president, at least he has been found liable of that, so you have this traumatic event and then you go forward and have to fight that several years afterwards and she spent two full days in court actually talking about those events and reliving them. it is hard for any victim to do and she did it

against a former president of the united states, but is huge. she continues to have a platform but so did he even long before he became president, he had a platform on television. he is a very rundown especially here in new york city before he became a national and international individual. that is a hard battle that i think any woman can really understand and feel sympathetic too. the can really understand and feel sympathetic too.— can really understand and feel sympathetic too. the first reaction from donald _ sympathetic too. the first reaction from donald trump _ sympathetic too. the first reaction from donald trump he _ sympathetic too. the first reaction from donald trump he has - sympathetic too. the first reaction from donald trump he hasjust i sympathetic too. the first reaction i from donald trump he hasjust posted from donald trump he has just posted on through social. he said in all caps i have absolutely no idea who this woman is, this verdict is a disgrace, a continuation of the greatest witchhunt of all time. not actually true that he didn't know who she was because he said as much in his deposition. he said the woman who he had assaulted had enjoyed it,

she enjoyed it and he knew exactly who she was and when he was asked to pick out in a photograph he picked her out in a photograph in which his former wife was standing and then when he was shown ej carroll he noticed the distinction and was able to pick her up so it is not true but he didn't know who she was. craig green, can i get you get your thoughts on the verdict? they threw out the crime of rape but they accepted it was sexual abuse, why do you think they made that distinction.— you think they made that distinction. , , . , ., ., distinction. juries are very hard to ass on distinction. juries are very hard to pass on this _ distinction. juries are very hard to pass on this but _ distinction. juries are very hard to pass on this but sexual— distinction. juries are very hard to pass on this but sexual abuse i distinction. juries are very hard to i pass on this but sexual abuse claim amounts to the same set of factual events. they believe he was there and that he assaulted her and that he deliberately lied about it to smear her reputation. i think it is difficult to know from a jury wanting to the next but what is so stark about this trial is the it

added up was one site was lying or the other was, it couldn't be more crystal—clear than that and he did not testify in part tactically for fear of having to face cross—examination and the possibility he might say things that expose him to further liability but the jury unanimously and quite quickly and decisively ruled in favour that she was telling the truth and in effect he had been lying and i think the subtle differences among the grades of battery which is what you were referring to will end up muttering less than the $5 million of the jury's aboard. less than the $5 million of the jury's aboard-— less than the $5 million of the 'u 's aboard. ., , ., less than the $5 million of the 'u 's aboard. .,, ., ., jury's aboard. there was one part of this deposition _ jury's aboard. there was one part of this deposition which _ jury's aboard. there was one part of this deposition which i _ jury's aboard. there was one part of this deposition which i was - jury's aboard. there was one part of this deposition which i was trying i this deposition which i was trying to refer to but he wasn't, when he was asked whether he assaulted her he seemed to suggest she had enjoyed it, so at one point saying he didn't

know her but that other point saying it did happen but they didn't rape her and it was consensual. as i was suggesting, this was the slight issue forjoe tucker pinot, he must have considered putting him on the stand but the deposition was full of inconsistencies. yes stand but the deposition was full of inconsistencies.— stand but the deposition was full of inconsistencies. yes and if you look at the longer _ inconsistencies. yes and if you look at the longer arc _ inconsistencies. yes and if you look at the longer arc of _ inconsistencies. yes and if you look at the longer arc of trump's - inconsistencies. yes and if you look at the longer arc of trump's legal i at the longer arc of trump's legal struggle is the former attorney general bill barr and others talked about how you can put before president trump under oath because he isn't capable of telling the truth. i think the deposition testimony which is the relatively well known access hollywood video used extraordinarily offensive language to talk about violently assaulting women, this all fits character and the main difference todayis character and the main difference today is that people have said things about this to the tune of two dozen or so women but this time it

is in a courtroom and this trial had three different women stretching over three different decades talk about how donald trump used his power and celebrity to sexually assault women which became a sort of assault women which became a sort of a practice but the difference today is a jury has held so, there will be appeals but one can only think this is a huge step forward in the broader context of alleged sexual assault where on this occasion i guess one of the most powerful americans, thejury ruled in favour of the accuser and i think that has to gain some traction in the broader cultural world, very, to gain some traction in the broader culturalworld, very, incidents, context much less spotlighted than this one. , .,

context much less spotlighted than this one. , . . ., this one. there is a criminal campaign — this one. there is a criminal campaign in _ this one. there is a criminal campaign in relation - this one. there is a criminal campaign in relation to i this one. there is a criminal- campaign in relation to campaign payments on the 2016 election, with the jury in that case have access to the jury in that case have access to the findings of the civil case? thea;r the findings of the civil case? they should not- _ the findings of the civil case? they should not. if— the findings of the civil case? they should not. if and _ the findings of the civil case? they should not. if and when _ the findings of the civil case? tue: should not. if and when there the findings of the civil case? tte: should not. if and when there is the findings of the civil case? t"te1: should not. if and when there is a jury should not. if and when there is a jury that case, it does involve the aduu jury that case, it does involve the adult actress stormy daniels and an affair that donald trump allegedly had but that case is all about the mischaracterisation of funds paid in hush money so the factual scenarios will be quite different, each to some degree perhaps somewhat salacious but really quite different. similarly there is another pair of possible cases, one in georgia concerning pressure that former president trump may have allegedly applied to state officials to try to get them to swing the election in his favour and another in mar—a—lago, his florida home,

where he may have mishandled classified documents, so there is a swirl of possible legal culpability. this civil, other cases might be criminal but each one of them is separate and it doesn't necessarily lead to the benefit of the four presidents and so the sets of allegations involve different kinds of misconduct he may have committed, some distance in the past and some quite recent. some distance in the past and some quite recent-— quite recent. does it surprise you, 'ust quite recent. does it surprise you, just looking _ quite recent. does it surprise you, just looking at _ quite recent. does it surprise you, just looking at the _ quite recent. does it surprise you, just looking at the damages, i quite recent. does it surprise you, just looking at the damages, she i quite recent. does it surprise you, i just looking at the damages, she has got $5 million in damages, $3 million of that is for defamation, $2 million per this battery case she wrote, does it surprise you that you get more for defamation than you do for the sexual abuse? the get more for defamation than you do for the sexual abuse?— for the sexual abuse? the only detail i would _ for the sexual abuse? the only detail i would add _ for the sexual abuse? the only detail i would add is _ for the sexual abuse? the only detail i would add is in - for the sexual abuse? the only detail i would add is in this - for the sexual abuse? the only| detail i would add is in this trial they actually had a communications expert and sociologist was from

northwestern who testified about imus damage had been done to the plaintiff is not reputation. viewers will remember she was quite woman writer in her own right sol will remember she was quite woman writer in her own right so i think it is not so surprising, $2 million per sexual assault is quite formidable damages itself but the greater method of measuring is a testament to he did lie about her, saying she wasn't his type when in fact she was very much his type, looked a lot like his former wife and had been miss indiana beauty queen but the damage to her reputation and professional career is what you see the jury recognising with the $3 million, not only was this damage to human and suffering she had to go through in that room but the thing that really prompted her she said under oath to bring this case was she couldn't stand the

idea of his going around saying full—strength about her and misrepresenting the events she knew had happened at the damage that did to her career as a whole range of really quite offensive and unpleasant things were being said at very high volume one might add sol think the balance of damages for something to look at from the perspective, not every victim of sexual assault will have further defamation claims and certainly very few of us have a career as successful as a plaintiff in this case but i think it it is a recognition of the lasting damage that the jury found former president trump had done to this point, not just back in the day but also in the recent times.— recent times. there is reaction cominu recent times. there is reaction coming in _ recent times. there is reaction coming in from _ recent times. there is reaction coming in from the _ recent times. there is reaction coming in from the trump - recent times. there is reaction l coming in from the trump camp. recent times. there is reaction - coming in from the trump camp. a spokesperson dollar in mar—a—lago said the democratic party's never—ending witchhunt of president

trump it annealed today, in jurisdictions wholly controlled by the democratic party our nation doesn't trust the system is now compromised by extremist left—wing politics. we have allowed full sun totally made up grains from troubled individuals to interfere with our elections, doing great damage, make no mistake this entire bogus case is a political in denver targeting president trump because he is now an overwhelming frontrunner to be once again elected president of the united states. the continued abuse of our great constitution for political ends is disgusting and cannot be tolerated. our nation is in serious trouble when claims linking any evidence or proof for any witnesses can invade our courts to score political points. your reaction to that? at to score political points. your reaction to that?— to score political points. your reaction to that? at least as easy for anyone _ reaction to that? at least as easy for anyone with _ reaction to that? at least as easy for anyone with their— reaction to that? at least as easy for anyone with their mouth - reaction to that? at least as easy for anyone with their mouth to i reaction to that? at least as easy| for anyone with their mouth to say whatever they want about a case, but the difference is of course that statement is an attack on the jury system and the civiljustice system and the state courts of new york and the former residents of former

president trump and the simple answerfor president trump and the simple answer for anyone president trump and the simple answerfor anyone is if they president trump and the simple answer for anyone is if they would prefer not to be sued in the courts of new york they would be best served not to assault and defame someone in your city which of course is what the jury in this case found that he did. so the idea of politics and trying to turnaround the other way really misses the point in a certain kind of way. those nine jurors were ordinary citizens like anyone else, selected with the participation of donald trump's lawyers in order to make sure there was no one with unfair bias, these sorts of cases go forward all the time and when they rule against former president trump then they become in his view scandals and outrageous an attack on the constitution somehow. but i have to say my perspective is the opposite of that. i think anyone who takes the time to look at some of the testimony will see arguments on various sites but i think it is impossible to say this jury was in any way political or politically motivated, that is close to

nonsense. i think when one ways the jury nonsense. i think when one ways the jury verdict against social media posts i hope people can figure out what would be more reliable as to what would be more reliable as to what actually happened. mat what would be more reliable as to what actually happened.— what actually happened. not the first time that _ what actually happened. not the first time that some _ what actually happened. not the first time that some supporters l what actually happened. not the - first time that some supporters have attacked the court system orjury system, also the manhattan district attorney when they brought the charges against donald trump not long ago. let's go back to samira hussain outside the court. it's been a chaotic capper with lots of people going in and out through the doors of the court, as we have seen ej carroll leaving with a friend and her lawyer. any reaction at all from the courthouse so far? m0. her lawyer. any reaction at all from the courthouse so far?— the courthouse so far? no, i think eve one the courthouse so far? no, i think everyone is _ the courthouse so far? no, i think everyone is waiting _ the courthouse so far? no, i think everyone is waiting for _ the courthouse so far? no, i think everyone is waiting for the - the courthouse so far? no, i think everyone is waiting for the exact l everyone is waiting for the exact same thing, for mr tom's lawyers to come out and make some sort of statement. when ejean carroll came out she was all smiles, feeling or certainly appeared to be vindicated

but gave no statement and they were very clear in court they wouldn't offer some kind of statement as a result, but now we are hearing from other organisations in support of her saying this is a real victory, although if you want to talk about some of the gossip happening around as everyone waits and that is what ends up happening, there are a lot of questions about how it is the jury of questions about how it is the jury came to this verdict, so i have in my hand here exactly the paper that are handed to the jurors and how they decide on each charge. the first question is did ms carroll by a preponderance of the evidence that mr trump a preponderance of the evidence that mrtrump right ej a preponderance of the evidence that mr trump right ej carroll and you'll also see thejury mr trump right ej carroll and you'll also see the jury said they don't believe it happened but the next question is what about mr trump sexually abusing ms carol and they

were unanimous in saying absolutely yes so i think there are some questions by those that have been watching this trial quite closely, wondering how is it that we are able to come to one verdict in favour but not on the other case, so i think thatis not on the other case, so i think that is one question quite a few people are asking and the other question is whether or not trump as �*s legal team is going to appeal and thatis �*s legal team is going to appeal and that is certainly going to be a question that will be shouted at mr trump as maguire when he comes out. the question the rest of the world will ask is how can you be a candidate to the next president of the united states, twice impeached, now found guilty as a sexual predator, under criminal indictment, is as a sort of president of the united states once? it is is as a sort of president of the united states once?— is as a sort of president of the united states once? it is up to the --eole united states once? it is up to the peeple and — united states once? it is up to the peeple and un _ united states once? it is up to the peeple and up to _ united states once? it is up to the people and up to them _ united states once? it is up to the people and up to them to - united states once? it is up to the people and up to them to decide l united states once? it is up to the i people and up to them to decide and if you look at current polling he will see none of these indictments

or accusations or things that have been proven out in court have actually deterred mr trump in terms of his desire to run again but it has actually not diminished his popularity amongst the republican base. despite there being already challengers on the 2024 ballot for the head of the republican party still seems that mr trump is overwhelmingly the one that is favoured to become the next nominee for president. the favoured to become the next nominee for president-— for president. the issue is, reading on social media, _ for president. the issue is, reading on social media, every _ for president. the issue is, reading on social media, every time - for president. the issue is, reading on social media, every time he - for president. the issue is, reading on social media, every time he is l on social media, every time he is introduced he will be introduced on the left and among his detractors as here as a candidate for the us presidency, a man who was found guilty of sexual abuse by a federal grand jury of his peers and that will be a problem, yes he will

appeal and they have just said he will and that will take a long time but during the primary season and through the electoral period that is what he will be attached to. that he is in fact viable _ what he will be attached to. that he is in fact viable for— what he will be attached to. that he is in fact viable for sexual _ what he will be attached to. that he is in fact viable for sexual abuse - is in fact viable for sexual abuse and that is something that will certainly follow him but it hasn't really deterred his popularity amongst his base. there are those that will continue to use that, especially the democrats will use that as a big part of their case against mrtrump in that as a big part of their case against mr trump in the general election, but it is ultimately a decision to be made by the people and super he still remains very popular. despite all of these court cases he still remains quite popular and the presumptive nominee so far. it is still early days and we now so many things can change but if you

look at the polling, that shows people are still in favour of mr trump. people are still in favour of mr trum -. . , , ., people are still in favour of mr trum. . , trump. craig, let me bring you back in. i am reading _ trump. craig, let me bring you back in. i am reading fox— trump. craig, let me bring you back in. i am reading fox news— trump. craig, let me bring you back in. i am reading fox news are - in. iam reading fox news are running this story and have just run the part of his deposition where he mistakes ej carroll for his ex—wife. there will be a decision here for even the most ardent republican supporters, particularly in congress, whether they will continue endorsing and condoning a man who has been found to sexual assault. it has been found to sexual assault. tit tears itself has been found to sexual assault. ut tears itself apart from truth and i think there is a problem to figure out may be in modern times or modern america about what to believe and what is true, there are large parts of the american public who believe almost anything for personal trump says and when he ran for office the first time he claimed he could shoot

somebody dead in new york city and not be losing points in the polls. that is being tested time and again and he prevailed in 2016 with a lot of people thought he wouldn't but he didn't in 2020 and the question of what the republican party decides about a candidate who absolutely is under criminal indictment, and has been found to be a sexual assailant to the tune of millions of dollars, among other nearly two dozen women who have made claims against him, whether that person ends up being one of the two nominees for the highest office in the country i think it's very hard to figure out, unless one understands a certain degradation and attack on a truth telling and true finding because if one doesn't believe anything happened ever in courts from people smiles in the hands of prosecutors

then anything is possible. this is a long—standing lesson of politics, if one doesn't believe anything as the truth anything is possible but i have to say my hope is that this is a civil case heard by ordinary civil jurors who had no special axe to grind against the former president and it is not anything to accredit the united states legal system, there are a lot of people who alleged sexual assault and ones who do not prevail and the idea the plaintiff in this case did prevail on such a quick timeframe speaks to a really important possibility for seeing things a different kind of way about trump and also about sexual assault in the country. just two hours and _ sexual assault in the country. just two hours and they didn't have any defence evidence to consider in this trial. spraying in the legal analyst from washington scott bolton. we have talked about the political

implications because it is a stunning verdict going into the electoral season but i wonder if you could take a step back and look at the case that ej carroll presented. i know you followed it but what do you think was persuasive to the jury about the case she made? h you think was persuasive to the “my about the case she made?�* you think was persuasive to the “my about the case she made? i think her credibili , about the case she made? i think her credibility. she _ about the case she made? i think her credibility, she was _ about the case she made? i think her credibility, she was well _ about the case she made? i think her credibility, she was well prepped - about the case she made? i think her credibility, she was well prepped on | credibility, she was well prepped on the stand. joe tacopina, donald trump as maguire did his best to cross—examine her on whether this was a hoax and whether she was telling the truth or not and he cross—examined her on whether she came up with the idea from television series and that seems far—fetched but in the court of law of civil proceedings, defence can argue and cross exile a wide breadth of issues, the hard part of that defence was she had to come up with the story and just fly and conspire with others to allege rape in america or sexual abuse and subject

herself to the type of scrutiny and defamation that the president or former president brought her weight. that is hard to believe, that she just would concoct a story. what woman or man would concoct a story in a natural sense of rape, sexual abuse in america, who accused the former president of this bad act, given his history with women and public statements and literally immoral approach to life in his prior statements about grabbing women in certain parts of their body. we have all heard this before which is why he is still popular but having heard it before and be conditioned, those ninejurors i think believed in ej carroll and simply believed not only was capable of doing this but that he did do it for at least sexually abused her, might maybe not that he raped her

but sexual abuse is right there and they did a nicejob on but sexual abuse is right there and they did a nice job on the evidence that he should be held liable for this. a, that he should be held liable for this. �* ., ., , .,, that he should be held liable for this. �* ., ., , , this. a lot of people will be watching — this. a lot of people will be watching this _ this. a lot of people will be watching this case - this. a lot of people will be watching this case and - this. a lot of people will be - watching this case and thinking about the debate that always revolves around sexual abuse cases, why didn't the victim come forward at the time? there are all sorts of extenuating circumstances for that and particularly when you are accusing someone and say mrs donald trump. the accusing someone and say mrs donald trum -. , ., , .,, accusing someone and say mrs donald trum. ,. ., trump. the problem with those folks who are concerned _ trump. the problem with those folks who are concerned about _ trump. the problem with those folks who are concerned about that - trump. the problem with those folks who are concerned about that is - trump. the problem with those folks who are concerned about that is we | who are concerned about that is we know that there is research out there that says every woman or man that the sexually abused reacts differently. some remain quiet during the act, others are very vocal and yell and scream and try to push the attacker away. what they do afterwards is key. i am a former sex crimes prosecutor in new york city and i can tell you that under this circumstance what she did after, the

most telling part was that she told at least two people who testified, whether she reported it to the police were not or took a rape kit, it doesn't matter, she told somebody contemporaneously when the act occurred. what are other reactions were, whether shejust occurred. what are other reactions were, whether she just became silent were, whether she just became silent we know the medical research says a lot of individuals react that way when they have been sexually assaulted and without caecal counselling that is another thing we know individuals like carroll don't do but it can be held against them are some type of credibility measure because we all react differently. it is a powerful violation of one's body and mind and heart and how we react to self protect ourselves is very different but it is not that you are lying, it is that... critics will question how you react, there is a difference.— is a difference. there are other women who — is a difference. there are other women who have _ is a difference. there are other women who have accused - is a difference. there are other l women who have accused donald is a difference. there are other -

women who have accused donald trump. one of the implications of this verdict with those cases? h one of the implications of this verdict with those cases? i think it em owers verdict with those cases? i think it empowers them — verdict with those cases? i think it empowers them emotionally - verdict with those cases? i think it empowers them emotionally as i verdict with those cases? i think it i empowers them emotionally as well verdict with those cases? i think it - empowers them emotionally as well as socially and politically and legally that under this statute that allows individuals who have been silent for many years or decades to bring lawsuits to stop it is too late for that those who have brought lawsuits in otherjurisdictions i am not sure whether they have or haven't but it is certainly lending credibility to the possibility for the probability thatjustice the possibility for the probability that justice will the possibility for the probability thatjustice will be theirs. carroll will never be the same, any victim will never be the same, any victim will never be the same without counselling and a lot of support. one of the biggest factors in this case as i see it was you had six men and three women. six men are going to normally in my experience of 36 years, they will be sensitive and more likely to believe carroll's

story as long as it is credible, you can corroborate what you said, more so against donald trump than for him. in my experience the other jurors, e—mail, tend to be more sceptical of he said, she said type of situation but she didn't even have that here because one of the flaws in the type of defence here was donald trump never appeared. they ran his deposition but he never appeared and looked atjury in the eye and said i did not do it. whatever reason they didn't have him appear because they didn't want him to be subject to cross—examination, he might not have performed well in the end the jury believed carroll and not only that but also believed donald trump should be punished for defaming her as well as committing sexual abuse against her. that is the power of this verdict. he didn't dare appear— the power of this verdict. he didn't dare appear before _ the power of this verdict. he didn't dare appear before her _ the power of this verdict. he didn't dare appear before her in - the power of this verdict. he didn't dare appear before her in court, i dare appear before her in court, took the decision not to give

evidence. instead he has given his evidence. instead he has given his evidence on a truth social and tonight he said i have absolutely no idea who this is, this verdict is a disgrace, the continuation of the greatest witchhunt of all time. hf greatest witchhunt of all time. hf it is a witchhunt, the warlock has gotten called by a civiljury of his peers, nine of them, if it is a witchhunt the matt acton district attorney office has invited him for 30 counts of fraud and he has the dependence of. there are two other possible indictments coming down from the state court in georgia in connection to his influence or illegal or corrupt influence in the election in georgia in the presidential race three years ago and then the case that most people think will be brought against him regarding his handling of top—secret documents, if those other indictments come down this is more than a whirlwind of litigation and threats because three of these cases

will be criminal in nature. he has never been in a criminal setting where his liberty is at stake and he is fighting for his liberty in three different fronts and jurisdictions. i don't see how he defends himself where he could wind up going to jail and being convicted, how he stays in the race no matter how popular he is with the voters and it will be impossible because eventually even if he gets a nomination the second question for the gop is how long will they stick with him versus walking away? this is a severely bad candidate for them and they will have to defend not only his leadership but his bad axe and the negative cases against him and now he has been found liable for battery, sexual abuse, that is hard to defend. the question is how long will the gop stick with him or will they add to this?

a singular tour viewers around the world and across the uk, you watching bbc news a jury has found the former us president donald trump sexually abused to this woman. the magazine writer in the 1990s defamed her and called her a liar. $4 million in damages but he was found not liable for it in the dressing room of the department store. you will not be required to register as a sex offender. the former president has reacted to the verdict in the last hour posting on his platform... outside the courthouse is samara, we are looking at the microphones in position and will hopefully going to

hear from position and will hopefully going to hearfrom joe tacopina, position and will hopefully going to hear from joe tacopina, donald trump's lawyer and every heard anything from the defence thus far? will revert so far is in the statement, we are still waiting for a statement from e. jean carroll and wife an official statement but it seems that the trump team will be appealing this decision and that they are going to try and appeal this. this is a civil case and not a criminal case and what they've done is they found mr trump liable sexual assault in the jury it really took less than three hours to deliberate. there is sent off to make the decisions and late in the morning and came in three hours later basically saying that they are in fact liable for sexual assault. the

damages that have been rewarded have been $5 million us. it is a stunning turn of events when you think, this is a former us president and currently, someone was running for the head of the republican party has been found liable for sexual assault. ~ , assault. when they left the courthouse, _ assault. when they left the courthouse, we _ assault. when they left the courthouse, we saw- assault. when they left the courthouse, we saw her- assault. when they left the l courthouse, we saw her with assault. when they left the - courthouse, we saw her with the company of a friend and we will assume the prosecuting lawyer, did she give any indication of her reaction to thejury she give any indication of her reaction to the jury decided? reaction to the “my decided? know, we knew that — reaction to the jury decided? know, we knew that she _ reaction to the jury decided? know, we knew that she wasn't _ reaction to the jury decided? know, we knew that she wasn't going - reaction to the jury decided? know, we knew that she wasn't going to i we knew that she wasn't going to issue a statement outside of the court and we are still waiting to hear an official statement from her team and there is this one photographed by the way at this photographer to really capture image

and this was her absolutely beaming. this is something that happens 70 years ago and although she was told going up against donald trump, now he is a former us president, that, it's already an uphill battle for a victim and now for her to do it against a former us president, it was incredible and she came out vindicated and you can see that on her face she vindicated and you can see that on herface she came vindicated and you can see that on her face she came out, there's a big smile. found liable on the defamation charges and the sexual assault, that is big news for her legal team. assault, that is big news for her legal team-— assault, that is big news for her leaalteam. . ~' ,. , . legal team. thank you very much indeed and _ legal team. thank you very much indeed and will _ legal team. thank you very much indeed and will be _ legal team. thank you very much indeed and will be watching - legal team. thank you very much i indeed and will be watching events there in new york we have a good panel for you tonight with a stunning verdict. donald trump found guilty in the civil case sexual abuse and with this is the federal prosecutor in the new york

prosecutor in the new york prosecutor in the republican strategist dog. can we start with you? clearly, there are massive political implications for this and, —— doug. and over 25 years of experience in politics, seen first—hand are cavalier and eric in contempt for the rule of law can backfire in the verdict should be treated with utmost seriousness is another example of the indefensible behaviour of donald trump. your reaction. pl. behaviour of donald trump. your reaction. �* ., ., , , , reaction. a lot of republicans feel that way but _ reaction. a lot of republicans feel that way but they _ reaction. a lot of republicans feel that way but they are _ reaction. a lot of republicans feel that way but they are by _ reaction. a lot of republicans feel that way but they are by and - reaction. a lot of republicans feel that way but they are by and large ljy that way but they are by and large by the running for president are based in washington, dc. but we need to see is whether or not republicans start internally from donald trump, they supported them to the indictment in new york which was seen as being very political. this is now another dent in his armour if republicans against them or his

republicans against them or his republican challenger say moral judgements aside, donald trump is too much drama and cannot focus on running for president, cannot be elected because the strands of moderate and independent voters if they make that argument, will you be successful? and the normal political world we would see of course but we are not a normal political times. just in practical terms, just make fast decisions and appearing at the cnn town hall and you can imagine the way that's going to go.- the way that's going to go. caitlin collins was _ the way that's going to go. caitlin collins was doing _ the way that's going to go. caitlin collins was doing the _ the way that's going to go. caitlin collins was doing the town - the way that's going to go. caitlin collins was doing the town hall. the way that's going to go. (is tt “u collins was doing the town hall with them is going to be tough and asking them is going to be tough and asking them about this and it will probably be the first set of questions that he gets. we know it donald trump is going to say, he's going to call it a witch hunt, he's going to say that everybody is up to get him and the jeffrey caitlin will probably be dependent them down and get some new language and the rhetoric from them. donald trump is really skilled at this, we forget that sometimes. get

it testing aspersions and being a teflon don, as it were, for this impact them electorally. i don't think we really know yet. a normal political world, think we really know yet. a normal politicalworld, it think we really know yet. a normal political world, it should but donald trump is defined political gravity in the past. it donald trump is defined political gravity in the past.— gravity in the past. it also poses roblems gravity in the past. it also poses problems for — gravity in the past. it also poses problems for people _ gravity in the past. it also poses problems for people in - gravity in the past. it also poses problems for people in his - gravity in the past. it also poses problems for people in his circle j problems for people in his circle because they have to make a decision very quickly as well whether they want to associate with someone who has been impeached twice, someone was facing a criminal indictment, some was been found guilty in a civil case of battery and sexual abuse. that is a lot to defend if you're running for election yourself. it you're running for election yourself-— you're running for election ourself. . ., , yourself. it is and certainly, i think a lot — yourself. it is and certainly, i think a lot of _ yourself. it is and certainly, i think a lot of republican - yourself. it is and certainly, i- think a lot of republican strategist and the people who work in either the trump campaign know that this is not which one to be talking about, to put it very mildly as a candidate. when thejob is to put it very mildly as a candidate. when the job is to talk about what you want to talk about a major pundits talk about what you want to talk about it, this doesn't

help donald trump make that case but help donald trump make that case but he still has a locked in party behind them and we are not clear at this point if republicans will turn against him on this and two, if those republicans were running against him were looking at running against him were looking at running against them would take this up to say donald trump cannot be elected again. say donald trump cannot be elected aaain. ., , . ., again. federal prosecutor, you called and _ again. federal prosecutor, you called and you're _ again. federal prosecutor, you called and you're on _ again. federal prosecutor, you called and you're on the - again. federal prosecutor, you - called and you're on the programme is that there are real difficulties here for donald trump and presumably not suppressed by the verdict. —— surprised. it not suppressed by the verdict. -- surprised-— not suppressed by the verdict. -- surprised. it was headed that way and i think _ surprised. it was headed that way and i think there _ surprised. it was headed that way and i think there were _ surprised. it was headed that way and i think there were two - surprised. it was headed that way and i think there were two very i and i think there were two very significant, the legal team managed to bring _ significant, the legal team managed to bring. her contemporaneous statements and i think that was very powerful— statements and i think that was very powerful evidence and the fact that donald _ powerful evidence and the fact that donald trump is a history of saying it even_ donald trump is a history of saying it even being allegedly doing things

involving _ it even being allegedly doing things involving forcing himself on women. and his _ involving forcing himself on women. and his famous statements to access hollywood _ and his famous statements to access hollywood. when you flaunt those kinds _ hollywood. when you flaunt those kinds of _ hollywood. when you flaunt those kinds of conventions he make it clear_ kinds of conventions he make it clear that — kinds of conventions he make it clear that you don't really respect the boundaries of other people and the boundaries of other people and the law, _ the boundaries of other people and the law, it's not surprising when a 'ury the law, it's not surprising when a jury then — the law, it's not surprising when a jury then finds out that is more likety— jury then finds out that is more likely than— jury then finds out that is more likely than not that you did exactly what your— likely than not that you did exactly what your accuser said you did. the trum- what your accuser said you did. the trump team — what your accuser said you did. tte: trump team said tonight what your accuser said you did. t“te1 trump team said tonight that what your accuser said you did. tte: trump team said tonight that it will be appealed crowns would be appealed? ihis be appealed crowns would be appealed?— be appealed crowns would be auealed? , . , appealed? his a peer was in the ublic appealed? his a peer was in the public form _ appealed? his a peer was in the public form saying _ appealed? his a peer was in the public form saying that - appealed? his a peer was in the public form saying that i - appealed? his a peer was in the public form saying that i cannot| appealed? his a peer was in the i public form saying that i cannot get a fair— public form saying that i cannot get a fair shake — public form saying that i cannot get a fair shake from anyone in new york city. a fair shake from anyone in new york city though — a fair shake from anyone in new york city. though on legal terms, you can try. i— city. though on legal terms, you can try. i don't— city. though on legal terms, you can try, i don't know what it would be based _ try, i don't know what it would be based on — try, i don't know what it would be based on and the fact that he did not even put on the defence means that he _ not even put on the defence means that he is— not even put on the defence means that he is far fewer things to even argue _ that he is far fewer things to even argue about them for a few procedural things to put out there because _ procedural things to put out there because he did not even show up to put on _ because he did not even show up to put on his— because he did not even show up to put on his own defence. and i think an appeal— put on his own defence. and i think an appeal is — put on his own defence. and i think an appeal is along put on his own defence. and i think an appeal is a long shot i think his battles— an appeal is a long shot i think his battles in— an appeal is a long shot i think his battles in the political arena it's texted, — battles in the political arena it's texted, we kinda know what is going

to say— texted, we kinda know what is going to say but— texted, we kinda know what is going to say but as far as legal remedies, they ran out — to say but as far as legal remedies, they ran out of this point.— they ran out of this point. federal prosecutor. _ they ran out of this point. federal prosecutor. if _ they ran out of this point. federal prosecutor, if you're _ they ran out of this point. federal prosecutor, if you're still- prosecutor, if you're still practising, what do you think the implications would be if the other cases because there plenty of women made allegations against him? that would have a _ made allegations against him? that would have a similar uphill battle and the _ would have a similar uphill battle and the fact that they are old west of assorted certificates going back almost _ of assorted certificates going back almost 30 years but they would all be most _ almost 30 years but they would all be most likely civil cases. all of these _ be most likely civil cases. all of these cases are too old to be taken in the criminal realm and what they could _ in the criminal realm and what they could pursue donald trump using a similar— could pursue donald trump using a similar blueprint and hope to get financial— similar blueprint and hope to get financial penalties from him, it is unlikely— financial penalties from him, it is unlikely that any of these would lead to— unlikely that any of these would lead to criminal exposure. if traits in these cases. — lead to criminal exposure. if traits in these cases, sexual _ lead to criminal exposure. if traits in these cases, sexual cases - lead to criminal exposure. if traits in these cases, sexual cases in i lead to criminal exposure. if traits i in these cases, sexual cases in new york and if you were approached by micro and a couple of years ago, would you have taken the case?

that's a hard one to call because based on the first interview, there are several discussions you have with someone like e. jean carroll was a victim of sexual abuse and would all depend on what she said and what documents and with corroboration. i still think the key component to this was her reporting this to two friends contemporaneous. that helped her credibility a great deal and she was well prepped on the stand to withstand donald trump's lawyer's cross—examination. and for donald trump to appeal and i agree with other guests that i don't think this appeal was going to be very helpfulfor him but this appeal was going to be very helpful for him but he could argue that he was absolved of sexual rape, if you will but found liable on sexual abuse and he will raise the

question as to whether the juries are collectively instructed or if they understood the difference between those two churches. how can i be a found liable of the abuse but not for actual sexual assault or sexual rape? will be in one area that you can look through and try to raise and the other thing would be possibly writing a letter to the judge, asking a judge for a mistrial because he made a comment about carol's testimony which didn't go anywhere but looking to raise that as well. this case was well traded, the judges conduct is appropriate and don't think the appeals can be successful, but they will do it. throwing outjoe tacopina's, they've been torn to reach this hard

decision and this identity of the jury decision and this identity of the jury will be kept secret due to privacy concerns. but the advice is not to identify yourselves, not now and not for very long time. just on that issue, they'll be a lot of focus on this jury this is new york. i hope they do take the judges advice — i hope they do take the judges advice it— i hope they do take the judges advice. it will be better for all of them _ advice. it will be better for all of them to— advice. it will be better for all of them to keep their identities anonymous. i hate sabre probably some _ anonymous. i hate sabre probably some will— anonymous. i hate sabre probably some will go to the media because they will— some will go to the media because they will want the attention in feat they will want the attention in feat the frenzy— they will want the attention in feat the frenzy but honestly, it would be better— the frenzy but honestly, it would be better off _ the frenzy but honestly, it would be better off if the jurors are kept anonymous in their deliberations are kept under— anonymous in their deliberations are kept under wraps. we don't really need _ kept under wraps. we don't really need to— kept under wraps. we don't really need to hear the inner workings they came _ need to hear the inner workings they came candle conclusion, let's move forward _ came candle conclusion, let's move forward and — came candle conclusion, let's move forward and lb my position. the oint is, forward and lb my position. tte: point is, politically, there be a lot of folks on the jury, particularly the conservative media but the point that should be made and made repeatedly is the old creep

with one another. this was a unanimous decision. tt with one another. this was a unanimous decision.- with one another. this was a unanimous decision. it was a unanimous — unanimous decision. it was a unanimous decision - unanimous decision. it was a unanimous decision and - unanimous decision. it was a unanimous decision and for i unanimous decision. it was a - unanimous decision and for them to come to these decisions, he needed to be unanimous. point of interest also mentioned that when it comes to the civil cases, the burden of convincing those jurors is the civil cases, the burden of convincing thosejurors is much lower than what you would find in a criminal case. and that is one aspect of the civil case versus a criminal case. and so, you need to be convinced that this is something that could have or indeed happen. politically, there's a lot of questions being asked about what does this mean for president trump. as he embarks on election campaign. we haven't seen many of his other run—ins with the legal system of the court system in the united states of really deterred his supporters

somewhat. th really deterred his supporters somewhat-— really deterred his supporters somewhat. , ., ., ., somewhat. in fact, if you look at a lot of these _ somewhat. in fact, if you look at a lot of these opinion _ somewhat. in fact, if you look at a lot of these opinion polls - somewhat. in fact, if you look at a lot of these opinion polls in early i lot of these opinion polls in early tracking, you see that he is still far and wide, the leader in terms of the republican nominees for the head of the party. i think some of the international viewers must be wondering how is this possible. that is the nature of american politics and that is the nature of mr trump. he has a particular set of supporters and of a particular branding is not strayed away from that brand. and he is actually going to appeal this decision. and this can be a lot of questions about it. and there's a lot of questions about what kind of political animal he is.

this is within brand for him. t5 a this is within brand for him. is a lot to take _ this is within brand for him. is a lot to take out _ this is within brand for him. is a lot to take out of _ this is within brand for him. is a lot to take out of that. that might be an appeal what we don't know because they did not put forward in the defence and the difficulty politically is throughout this campaign, this is going to be attached to his name, that he's guilty of sexual battery. and attached to his name, that he's guilty of sexual battery. and there are more indictments _ guilty of sexual battery. and there are more indictments they - guilty of sexual battery. and there are more indictments they could l are more indictments they could follow— are more indictments they could follow on — are more indictments they could follow on the _ are more indictments they could follow on the 2020 _ are more indictments they could follow on the 2020 election - are more indictments they could follow on the 2020 election and| are more indictments they could i follow on the 2020 election and the department— follow on the 2020 election and the department of— follow on the 2020 election and the department ofjustice _ follow on the 2020 election and the department ofjustice looking - follow on the 2020 election and the department ofjustice looking into. department ofjustice looking into donald _ department ofjustice looking into donald trump's _ department ofjustice looking into donald trump's behaviour- department ofjustice looking into donald trump's behaviour as - department ofjustice looking into| donald trump's behaviour as well. more _ donald trump's behaviour as well. more of— donald trump's behaviour as well. more of these _ donald trump's behaviour as well. more of these which _ donald trump's behaviour as well. more of these which stood - donald trump's behaviour as well. more of these which stood further| more of these which stood further build _ more of these which stood further build if— more of these which stood further build if you — more of these which stood further build if you are _ more of these which stood further build if you are ron— more of these which stood further build if you are ron desantis- more of these which stood further build if you are ron desantis or. more of these which stood further. build if you are ron desantis or tim scott _ build if you are ron desantis or tim scott to— build if you are ron desantis or tim scott to say. — build if you are ron desantis or tim scott to say, moral _ build if you are ron desantis or tim scott to say, moraljudgements - scott to say, moraljudgements aside which _ scott to say, moraljudgements aside which they— scott to say, moraljudgements aside which they should _ scott to say, moraljudgements aside which they should not _ scott to say, moraljudgements aside which they should not be _ scott to say, moraljudgements aside which they should not be a _ scott to say, moraljudgements aside which they should not be a site, - which they should not be a site, donald — which they should not be a site, donald trump _ which they should not be a site, donald trump is _ which they should not be a site, donald trump is too _ which they should not be a site, donald trump is too much - which they should not be a site, i donald trump is too much drama, which they should not be a site, - donald trump is too much drama, too much _ donald trump is too much drama, too much details — donald trump is too much drama, too much details my— donald trump is too much drama, too much details my donald _ donald trump is too much drama, too much details my donald trump - donald trump is too much drama, too much details my donald trump and i donald trump is too much drama, too much details my donald trump and ifi much details my donald trump and if republicans — much details my donald trump and if republicans want _ much details my donald trump and if republicans want to _ much details my donald trump and if republicans want to win, _ much details my donald trump and if republicans want to win, they- much details my donald trump and if republicans want to win, they need i republicans want to win, they need to move _ republicans want to win, they need to move past — republicans want to win, they need to move past trump. _ republicans want to win, they need to move past trump. it's— republicans want to win, they need to move past trump. it's an - republicans want to win, they need to move past trump. it's an easy. to move past trump. it's an easy argument _ to move past trump. it's an easy argument to—

to move past trump. it's an easy argument to make _ to move past trump. it's an easy argument to make but _ to move past trump. it's an easy argument to make but it- to move past trump. it's an easy argument to make but it is- to move past trump. it's an easy argument to make but it is a - to move past trump. it's an easyl argument to make but it is a hard one to _ argument to make but it is a hard one to sell— argument to make but it is a hard one to sell for _ argument to make but it is a hard one to sell for the _ argument to make but it is a hard one to sell for the republican - argument to make but it is a hard. one to sell for the republican base and get _ one to sell for the republican base and get to— one to sell for the republican base and get to be — one to sell for the republican base and get to be willing _ one to sell for the republican base and get to be willing to _ one to sell for the republican base and get to be willing to do so. - and get to be willing to do so. donald — and get to be willing to do so. donald trump _ and get to be willing to do so. donald trump is _ and get to be willing to do so. donald trump is not _ and get to be willing to do so. donald trump is not going - and get to be willing to do so. donald trump is not going toi and get to be willing to do so. l donald trump is not going to go and get to be willing to do so. - donald trump is not going to go away on his own _ donald trump is not going to go away on his own and — donald trump is not going to go away on his own and is not _ donald trump is not going to go away on his own and is not going _ donald trump is not going to go away on his own and is not going to - donald trump is not going to go away on his own and is not going to lose i on his own and is not going to lose the lesson— on his own and is not going to lose the lesson directly— on his own and is not going to lose the lesson directly challenges andi the lesson directly challenges and in and _ the lesson directly challenges and in and that— the lesson directly challenges and in and that comes _ the lesson directly challenges and in and that comes from _ the lesson directly challenges and in and that comes from standing i the lesson directly challenges and i in and that comes from standing up to him _ in and that comes from standing up to him in— in and that comes from standing up to him in debates, _ in and that comes from standing up to him in debates, if— in and that comes from standing up to him in debates, if he _ in and that comes from standing up to him in debates, if he debates, i to him in debates, if he debates, and standing _ to him in debates, if he debates, and standing up— to him in debates, if he debates, and standing up to— to him in debates, if he debates, and standing up to them - to him in debates, if he debates, and standing up to them on- to him in debates, if he debates, and standing up to them on tv i to him in debates, if he debates, i and standing up to them on tv ads and standing up to them on tv ads and online— and standing up to them on tv ads and online over— and standing up to them on tv ads and online over and _ and standing up to them on tv ads and online over and over— and standing up to them on tv ads and online over and over again - and standing up to them on tv ads and online over and over again to. and online over and over again to make them— and online over and over again to make them respond. _ and online over and over again to make them respond. gi— and online over and over again to make them respond.— and online over and over again to make them respond. a lawyer and former federal _ make them respond. a lawyer and former federal prosecutor - make them respond. a lawyer and former federal prosecutor in - make them respond. a lawyer and former federal prosecutor in new | former federal prosecutor in new york and joins us to give us her view on the verdict and you must�*ve heard us talking about the political implications. he has come out swinging but the forcefulness of his denials in this case rather evaporated against all the inconsistencies in the deposition that he gave. taste inconsistencies in the deposition that he gave-— that he gave. we have heard his testimony _ that he gave. we have heard his testimony regarding _ that he gave. we have heard his testimony regarding this - that he gave. we have heard his| testimony regarding this incident and thejury for testimony regarding this incident and the jury for that and we were in and the jury for that and we were in a very different position from where we were before when it was chum

speaking on the press about what happened here. and he has to be careful here because half of this case is built on what the president said in the press about the allegations in the first place. i he needs to understand the jeopardy he can find himself in with his own words, frankly.— can find himself in with his own words, frankly. they credited the testimony and — words, frankly. they credited the testimony and found _ words, frankly. they credited the testimony and found for- words, frankly. they credited the testimony and found for her- words, frankly. they credited the testimony and found for her on i testimony and found for her on battery and defamation which required them to believe that trump acted with reckless disregard. absolutely. i saw with the plaintiffs team did with e. jean carroll's team and it was really a textbook trial. the put together a case corroborating the testimony of e. jean carroll, witnessed by witnessing piece by piece, they put

together all these witnesses who corroborated and supported health testimony of e. jean carroll and they had the believe her and find a credible but they also had these other witnesses to aid them and that deliberation. t5 other witnesses to aid them and that deliberation-— deliberation. is the equivalent of a redesignated _ deliberation. is the equivalent of a redesignated sexual _ deliberation. is the equivalent of a redesignated sexual assault - deliberation. is the equivalent of a redesignated sexual assault the i deliberation. is the equivalent of a i redesignated sexual assault the same as how it would be thought of in a criminal case? tt’s as how it would be thought of in a criminal case?— criminal case? it's a bit different, this crime — criminal case? it's a bit different, this crime of— criminal case? it's a bit different, this crime of battery _ criminal case? it's a bit different, this crime of battery here - criminal case? it's a bit different, this crime of battery here is - criminal case? it's a bit different, this crime of battery here is a - this crime of battery here is a little bit different than what donald trump would be charged with in a criminal case had this preceded at the time but, it does, regardless of whether this is a criminal case, a major victory for e. jean carroll and her supporters and others who feel as though they have been wronged by the former president over

the years the wronged by the former president over the ea - ., ,, ., ., the years the four congressional leaders will _ the years the four congressional leaders will talk _ the years the four congressional leaders will talk to _ the years the four congressional leaders will talk to joe - the years the four congressional leaders will talk to joe biden i the years the four congressional i leaders will talk to joe biden about leaders will talk tojoe biden about the debt crisis but you can imagine what questions are being fired there. we can try to turn around there. we can try to turn around there later on. and we bring you in on this because kevin mccarthy having turned against donald trump on january having turned against donald trump onjanuary six having turned against donald trump on january six has having turned against donald trump onjanuary six has become very much back into the fold and this presents them of the real dilemma now. band them of the real dilemma now. and congressional— them of the real dilemma now. and congressional reporters asked mccarthy— congressional reporters asked mccarthy and _ congressional reporters asked mccarthy and other— congressional reporters asked i mccarthy and other republicans congressional reporters asked - mccarthy and other republicans about donald _ mccarthy and other republicans about donald trump — mccarthy and other republicans about donald trump on _ mccarthy and other republicans about donald trump on a _ mccarthy and other republicans about donald trump on a daily— mccarthy and other republicans about donald trump on a daily or _ mccarthy and other republicans about donald trump on a daily or weekly - donald trump on a daily or weekly basis _ donald trump on a daily or weekly basis this — donald trump on a daily or weekly basis. this will— donald trump on a daily or weekly basis. this will be _ donald trump on a daily or weekly basis. this will be another - donald trump on a daily or weekly basis. this will be another time i basis. this will be another time rest _ basis. this will be another time rest answer— basis. this will be another time rest answer this— basis. this will be another time rest answer this these - basis. this will be another time rest answer this these are - basis. this will be another time - rest answer this these are questions he does _ rest answer this these are questions he does not — rest answer this these are questions he does not want _ rest answer this these are questions he does not want to _ rest answer this these are questions he does not want to deal— rest answer this these are questions he does not want to deal with - rest answer this these are questions he does not want to deal with and i he does not want to deal with and questions — he does not want to deal with and questions he _ he does not want to deal with and questions he doesn't _ he does not want to deal with and questions he doesn't want - he does not want to deal with and questions he doesn't want to - he does not want to deal with and questions he doesn't want to dealj questions he doesn't want to deal with he _ questions he doesn't want to deal with he wants _ questions he doesn't want to deal with he wants to _ questions he doesn't want to deal with he wants to focus _ questions he doesn't want to deal with he wants to focus on - questions he doesn't want to deal with he wants to focus on this - questions he doesn't want to deall with he wants to focus on this with the white — with he wants to focus on this with the white house. _ with he wants to focus on this with the white house. donald - with he wants to focus on this with the white house. donald trump. with he wants to focus on this with the white house. donald trump is| the white house. donald trump is proving _ the white house. donald trump is proving to— the white house. donald trump is proving to be _ the white house. donald trump is proving to be a _ the white house. donald trump is proving to be a distraction- the white house. donald trump is proving to be a distraction again i proving to be a distraction again and kevin — proving to be a distraction again and kevin knows _ proving to be a distraction again

and kevin knows it's— proving to be a distraction again and kevin knows it's bad - proving to be a distraction againj and kevin knows it's bad politics but he _ and kevin knows it's bad politics but he also _ and kevin knows it's bad politics but he also knows _ and kevin knows it's bad politics but he also knows that - and kevin knows it's bad politics but he also knows that if- and kevin knows it's bad politics but he also knows that if the - and kevin knows it's bad politics i but he also knows that if the trump base sticks — but he also knows that if the trump base sticks with _ but he also knows that if the trump base sticks with donald _ but he also knows that if the trump base sticks with donald trump, - but he also knows that if the trump base sticks with donald trump, she is between — base sticks with donald trump, she is between a — base sticks with donald trump, she is between a rock— base sticks with donald trump, she is between a rock and _ base sticks with donald trump, she is between a rock and our— base sticks with donald trump, she is between a rock and our place - base sticks with donald trump, she is between a rock and our place in. is between a rock and our place in those _ is between a rock and our place in those politics— is between a rock and our place in those politics do _ is between a rock and our place in those politics do not _ is between a rock and our place in those politics do not change. - is between a rock and our place in those politics do not change. joel those politics do not change. biden smiling for the cameras those politics do not change.” biden smiling for the cameras and those politics do not change.“ biden smiling for the cameras and i think whether deep down, he prepared to be running against donald trump and that is a candidate they think she might win against. thea;r and that is a candidate they think she might win against. they want him to face because _ she might win against. they want him to face because he _ she might win against. they want him to face because he is _ she might win against. they want him to face because he is completely - to face because he is completely vulnerable — to face because he is completely vulnerable on _ to face because he is completely vulnerable on these _ to face because he is completely vulnerable on these issues - to face because he is completely vulnerable on these issues but i| vulnerable on these issues but i would _ vulnerable on these issues but i would cancel— vulnerable on these issues but i would cancel my— vulnerable on these issues but i would cancel my democratic- vulnerable on these issues but i - would cancel my democratic friends, you want _ would cancel my democratic friends, you want donald _ would cancel my democratic friends, you want donald trump _ would cancel my democratic friends, you want donald trump to _ would cancel my democratic friends, you want donald trump to be - would cancel my democratic friends, you want donald trump to be the - you want donald trump to be the nominee — you want donald trump to be the nominee once _ you want donald trump to be the nominee once before _ you want donald trump to be the nominee once before and - you want donald trump to be the nominee once before and then. you want donald trump to be the | nominee once before and then he you want donald trump to be the i nominee once before and then he is victorious — nominee once before and then he is victorious you _ nominee once before and then he is victorious. you look— nominee once before and then he is victorious. you look at _ nominee once before and then he is victorious. you look at joe - nominee once before and then he is victorious. you look atjoe biden'si victorious. you look atjoe biden's port numbers, _ victorious. you look atjoe biden's port numbers, they— victorious. you look atjoe biden's port numbers, they give - victorious. you look atjoe biden's port numbers, they give up - victorious. you look atjoe biden's port numbers, they give up all. victorious. you look atjoe biden'sl port numbers, they give up all and his approval— port numbers, they give up all and his approval rating _ port numbers, they give up all and his approval rating was _ port numbers, they give up all and his approval rating was 36% - port numbers, they give up all and his approval rating was 36% and i port numbers, they give up all and his approval rating was 36% and is| his approval rating was 36% and is underwater— his approval rating was 36% and is underwater on _ his approval rating was 36% and is underwater on the _ his approval rating was 36% and is underwater on the economy. - his approval rating was 36% and is underwater on the economy. joe i his approval rating was 36% and is - underwater on the economy. joe biden is in a _ underwater on the economy. joe biden is in a very— underwater on the economy. joe biden is in a very vulnerable _ underwater on the economy. joe biden is in a very vulnerable place _ underwater on the economy. joe biden is in a very vulnerable place in- is in a very vulnerable place in democrat— is in a very vulnerable place in democrat should _ is in a very vulnerable place in democrat should be _ is in a very vulnerable place in democrat should be careful. is in a very vulnerable place in. democrat should be careful what is in a very vulnerable place in- democrat should be careful what he wishes _ democrat should be careful what he wishes for~ — democrat should be careful what he wishes for. ~., democrat should be careful what he wishes for. a. ., , wishes for. made to give us their thouuhts

wishes for. made to give us their thoughts on _ wishes for. made to give us their thoughts on this, _ wishes for. made to give us their thoughts on this, we _ wishes for. made to give us their thoughts on this, we are - wishes for. made to give us theirj thoughts on this, we are rotating through the boxes in your in the box at the moment, let me ask you this one question about the other criminal charges that he is facing. she is facing onejury criminal charges that he is facing. she is facing one jury at the moment but there are, it's liable that this going to be others. archery is influenced by what they hear and see influenced by what they hear and see in the media?— in the media? officially, they're not supposed — in the media? officially, they're not supposed to _ in the media? officially, they're not supposed to be _ in the media? officially, they're not supposed to be entering - in the media? officially, they'rej not supposed to be entering the in the media? officially, they're - not supposed to be entering the jury selection process, they are questioned about whether or not they can put out of their minds of the effort on unrelated topics in view of the case and without external influences. in reality, three difficult to ask people to ignore what they know and look at something fresh. i thinkjurors try hard to do that i think they do a really good job. and as cases and evidence and findings mount on the aggregate for

donald trump, you get backed into a corner and it's human nature to know what you know very difficult to ignore that when you have someone who has charges and even findings against them piling up. the who has charges and even findings against them piling up.— against them piling up. the safety of other donald _ against them piling up. the safety of other donald trump _ against them piling up. the safety of other donald trump to - against them piling up. the safety of other donald trump to get - against them piling up. the safety of other donald trump to get a i against them piling up. the safety| of other donald trump to get a fair trial, it's immediately where the supporters of donald trump will turn in the next few days and they will point towards a new yorkjury and say look, it's impossible to get a fair trial in new york, this is a state that voted by multiple points forjoe biden in there's no love lost with donald trump here. the criminaljustice _ lost with donald trump here. tte: criminaljustice system is not the politicaljustice criminaljustice system is not the political justice system. criminaljustice system is not the politicaljustice system. the criminal justice system politicaljustice system. the criminaljustice system takes people from vulnerable rose and these people have got to lead their political thoughts outside the courtroom and taken through this and

there is no person, no matter how famous are powerful, and no one is above the law and no one can say they cannot get a fair trial in any jurisdiction because the system is built to pick a jury of your peers and for them not to allow for any outside influence and talk about the case but only folks on the evidence and that is political rhetoric from donald trump and the reality is what is he going to see if he gets indicted in atlanta, because atlanta is the blue poor of the, what about in washington when he is going to clean the swamp, can i get a fair trial here views indicted or prosecuted for the classified documents or abusing those. the gop is a real problem here, right? because the amount of support of donald trump and her republican friend knows this. they're going to back donald trump no matter what

play she made them feel powerful and that he was going to fight for them and that is why he wanted 2016. we have lived with that with the republican party is to figure out now as i do you sell donald trump the independence of moderates reaven left—leaning republicans now that he is been found liable for sexual abuse and £30 of fraud, it's hard because those of the candidates were running against donald trump for the gop, they need those voters. they're the biggest block, 40%. if they are sticking with donald trump, the other candidates do not have a shot and they would disagree with doug in this regard, democrats do want donald trump because he's very damaged and i know you think you could win again but i do not think he is cut from to grow and not enough voters out there and not enough voters out there and not enough voters out there and not enough voters out there independent or republican who in november 2003 for going to cast their vote again

no matter what his numbers are and is better at least in their view of the world. is better at least in their view of the world-— the world. the political considerations - the world. the political considerations of - the world. the political considerations of the i the world. the political i considerations of the gop the world. the political - considerations of the gop as we the world. the political _ considerations of the gop as we look back at the results in 2020, is a donald trump struggle particularly with women and suburban women and they're going to look at his verdict particularly independent suburban women and they're not going to want to vote for donald trump, are they. and i will not hurtjust trump but also submit to the mix in it and house — also submit to the mix in it and house candidates as well. and —— senate _ house candidates as well. and —— senate and — house candidates as well. and —— senate and you do not want donald trump _ senate and you do not want donald trump at _ senate and you do not want donald trump at the top of your ticket. he is an albatross to you. and the numbers— is an albatross to you. and the numbers are stark for president biden— numbers are stark for president biden in— numbers are stark for president biden in the abc washington post poll, trump was speaking 47—41. donald _ poll, trump was speaking 47—41. donald trump is not the focus of the news _ donald trump is not the focus of the news for— donald trump is not the focus of the

news for a _ donald trump is not the focus of the news for a while, that is changed today— news for a while, that is changed today in— news for a while, that is changed today in the, the problem isjoe biden— today in the, the problem isjoe biden is— today in the, the problem isjoe biden is very low floor as well and he can— biden is very low floor as well and he can maximise that and grow that number— he can maximise that and grow that number but — he can maximise that and grow that number but when its approval rating on the _ number but when its approval rating on the economy is at time where unemployment is at a historic low, it's a _ unemployment is at a historic low, it's a real— unemployment is at a historic low, it's a real political challenge for him _ it's a real political challenge for him. ~ . it's a real political challenge for him. . ,, it's a real political challenge for him. ., , , , it's a real political challenge for him. . , , ., him. we have slavishly focused on these microphones _ him. we have slavishly focused on these microphones outside - him. we have slavishly focused on these microphones outside of - him. we have slavishly focused on these microphones outside of the | these microphones outside of the court hoping someone will come and speak to them. and no one has and you have to wonder what is going on within the trump camp. joe tacopina is reportedly talking to his client for them to think very quickly about what they're trying to say because the implications of what they may say. the implications of what they may sa . �* , , ., , the implications of what they may sa . h , ., , ., the implications of what they may sa. ., ,, say. let's be honest, former us president _ say. let's be honest, former us president is _ say. let's be honest, former us president is very _ say. let's be honest, former us president is very taken - say. let's be honest, former us president is very taken to - say. let's be honest, former us president is very taken to treat| president is very taken to treat social to make how he feels very clear. but they are trying to come up clear. but they are trying to come up with a more measured response to

give you a sense of what's happening, there few entrances where we are all waiting and at one point, there was a massive exodus and if you're around the corner thinking thatjoe tacopina was going to come out from another door. everyone is really waiting to hear what exactly the trump campaign will say and it made it clear that he is in fact going to be appealing this decision and has continued under media platform to say that he believes this is a witchhunt and he does not know this individual.— know this individual. always a disaster for _ know this individual. always a disaster forjournalists - know this individual. always a disaster forjournalists who i know this individual. always a l disaster forjournalists who are disaster for journalists who are there. but speak to donald trump transition team working in the department of treasury and transportation and you're very welcome to the programme. your

reaction to the verdict in the implications for donald trump? mr; implications for donald trump? tj�*t reaction implications for donald trump? m reaction is implications for donald trump? m1: reaction is that he was implications for donald trump? m1 reaction is that he was acquitted of rape and she is going to continue to fight for his campaign. he rape and she is going to continue to fight for his campaign.— fight for his campaign. he was ac uitted fight for his campaign. he was acquitted of— fight for his campaign. he was acquitted of rape _ fight for his campaign. he was acquitted of rape but - fight for his campaign. he was acquitted of rape but found i fight for his campaign. he was i acquitted of rape but found guilty of sexual battery.— of sexual battery. yes, that's ri u ht. of sexual battery. yes, that's right- he _ of sexual battery. yes, that's right. he was _ of sexual battery. yes, that's right. he was also _ of sexual battery. yes, that's right. he was also found - of sexual battery. yes, that's i right. he was also found guilty of sexual battery. yes, that's - right. he was also found guilty for defamation but $5 million is a very large sum to pay for sexual abuse and defamation, even though that verdict is not blind to the united states. ~ , ., , , verdict is not blind to the united states. ~ , , , states. will people still support him and will _ states. will people still support him and will women _ states. will people still support him and will women still - states. will people still support | him and will women still support them in the back of his verdict? comforted them when he wanted to thousand i6, comforted them when he wanted to thousand 16, there are number of accusations against them and you're victorious. number of unexpected things lead to being lead. and

what's going on in the states and they see him as someone who's afraid tojump and and amend things. that is why people like him because he is not afraid to call it like it is. tt not afraid to call it like it is. it is a civil case, he is liable for sexual abuse which the thing is, whenever he stopped by the states, he said he did not know e. jean carroll and that she was not his type. maybe she enjoyed it because he's so inconsistent and the evidence is given in tonight, he is on his treat social website that he never knew this woman and that's a witchhunt and that is faintly believable when you look at the inconsistencies in the evidence he given his deposition. i have no knowledge of the legal ins and outs of this case but he was acquitted of the most serious charge

which is rape so he will say he was acquitted of that, but here in the states there is very substantial political divisions and there are many people who would vote for any republican over any democrat so for many people this won't matter. if it is a battle between president trump and president biden, many people are still going to vote for president trump. if it is president trump versus governor rhonda santos of florida who knows what will happen but many people are not satisfied with the overreach of government into the washing up machines, the electric cars, not having natural gas stoves in your home, and these are the kinds of people that want president trump to win because they are sick and tired of the government and i am sure there are equally people in the uk that feel the same way. people in the uk that feel the same wa . , ., , �* , way. this wasn't the government this was a 'u way. this wasn't the government this was a jury of — way. this wasn't the government this was a jury of his _ way. this wasn't the government this was a jury of his peers, _ way. this wasn't the government this was a jury of his peers, do _ way. this wasn't the government this was a jury of his peers, do you - was a jury of his peers, do you think it was political? tt

was a jury of his peers, do you think it was political?- think it was political? it was a 'u of think it was political? it was a jury of his _ think it was political? it was a jury of his peers _ think it was political? it was a jury of his peers but - think it was political? it was a jury of his peers but he - think it was political? it was a jury of his peers but he asked| think it was political? it was a i jury of his peers but he asked if people will continue to support him and people well because they don't like the other side and this won't make a differencejust like the other side and this won't make a difference just as it didn't in 2016. make a difference 'ust as it didn't in 2016. ., ~ ,., make a difference 'ust as it didn't in 2016. ., ~ i. ., ., make a difference 'ust as it didn't in 2016. ., ~ ., ., . make a difference 'ust as it didn't in2016. ., ., ., . ., in 2016. thank you for that. we are well used to _ in 2016. thank you for that. we are well used to the _ in 2016. thank you for that. we are well used to the political— in 2016. thank you for that. we are well used to the political division i well used to the political division which has been underlined to us, do you worry as a former federal prosecutor about the damage the political debate is doing to the way the court is perceived and the way the court is perceived and the way the jury system the court is perceived and the way thejury system is perceived? t do. the jury system is perceived? i do. eve one the jury system is perceived? i do. everyone is — the jury system is perceived? i do. everyone is correct _ the jury system is perceived? i do. everyone is correct that _ the jury system is perceived? i do. everyone is correct that we - the jury system is perceived? t u everyone is correct that we know what donald trump will say and that a certain portion of the population will tend to agree with him and will take as fact the idea that certain juries in certain states can't be trusted. that is dangerous, but is not a good thing regardless of your

political training, you don't want an erosion of trust in the legal system. there will always be a small percentage of people who don't like the system but talking about 25% or more of voters who believe that the people they support politically are not, who they believe in butter victims because i can't get a fair shake in the legal system, but is not a good thing. we always want a vigorous system with checks and balances but we do not want a large portion of america to believe the legal system and justice system doesn't work. there is a distinction in the cases that are brought vis—a—vis the cases heard by a jury. i think the real distinction here is one you — i think the real distinction here is one you went to before, the civil and criminal distinction, but in

this case — and criminal distinction, but in this case i_ and criminal distinction, but in this case i think this civil case may— this case i think this civil case may have _ this case i think this civil case may have a _ this case i think this civil case may have a bigger impact on the former— may have a bigger impact on the former president than a criminal case _ former president than a criminal case that— former president than a criminal case that the district attorney office — case that the district attorney office is — case that the district attorney office is prosecuting simply because office is prosecuting simply because of the _ office is prosecuting simply because of the contact. i think many can discount — of the contact. i think many can discount to— of the contact. i think many can discount to conduct underlying the criminal— discount to conduct underlying the criminal charges brought by the da office _ criminal charges brought by the da office even though it is ostensibly more _ office even though it is ostensibly more serious in a way because the former— more serious in a way because the former president's liberty is at stake — former president's liberty is at stake and _ former president's liberty is at stake and this is a criminal conviction— stake and this is a criminal conviction on the line but the allocation underlying this civil case — allocation underlying this civil case even though the penalties are not as— case even though the penalties are not as severe are just so offensive to many— not as severe are just so offensive to many that i think this civil case could _ to many that i think this civil case could have — to many that i think this civil case could have a real impact on the former— could have a real impact on the former president and his supporters. it is hard _ former president and his supporters. it is hard to— former president and his supporters. it is hard to step out and support someone — it is hard to step out and support someone who has been found liable

for this— someone who has been found liable for this type of sexual abuse. if you do— for this type of sexual abuse. if you do that i am certain that your female _ you do that i am certain that your female family members whether republican or democrat will not be too happy — republican or democrat will not be too happy about that.— republican or democrat will not be too happy about that. scott, he made the oint in too happy about that. scott, he made the point in the _ too happy about that. scott, he made the point in the last _ too happy about that. scott, he made the point in the last ever _ too happy about that. scott, he made the point in the last ever about - too happy about that. scott, he made the point in the last ever about the i the point in the last ever about the jury the point in the last ever about the jury and ajury the point in the last ever about the jury and a jury in new york being thejury of peers jury and a jury in new york being the jury of peers and they could be trusted and should be trusted but do you have concerns about the sort of attacks we have already heard from some of those from supporters? yes. i am more concerned _ some of those from supporters? yes. i am more concerned about what donald _ i am more concerned about what donald trump _ i am more concerned about what donald trump is _ i am more concerned about what donald trump is saying - i am more concerned about what donald trump is saying because i donald trump is saying because donald — donald trump is saying because donald trump _ donald trump is saying because donald trump is _ donald trump is saying because donald trump is driving - donald trump is saying because donald trump is driving this- donald trump is driving this negative _ donald trump is driving this negative narrative - donald trump is driving this negative narrative about. donald trump is driving this| negative narrative about not donald trump is driving this- negative narrative about not giving a fair _ negative narrative about not giving a fair that — negative narrative about not giving a fair trial, about _ negative narrative about not giving a fair trial, about government- negative narrative about not givingi a fair trial, about government being corrupt. _ a fair trial, about government being corrupt. about — a fair trial, about government being corrupt, about the _ a fair trial, about government being corrupt, about the big _ a fair trial, about government being corrupt, about the big lie _ a fair trial, about government being corrupt, about the big lie that - a fair trial, about government being corrupt, about the big lie that he i corrupt, about the big lie that he won the — corrupt, about the big lie that he won the election _ corrupt, about the big lie that he won the election in _ corrupt, about the big lie that he won the election in 2020, - corrupt, about the big lie that he won the election in 2020, the i won the election in 2020, the insurrection _ won the election in 2020, the insurrection that— won the election in 2020, the insurrection that he _ won the election in 2020, the insurrection that he allegedlyj insurrection that he allegedly spurred — insurrection that he allegedly spurred or— insurrection that he allegedly spurred or is _

insurrection that he allegedly spurred or is being _ insurrection that he allegedly i spurred or is being investigated, clearly— spurred or is being investigated, clearly many _ spurred or is being investigated, clearly many believe _ spurred or is being investigated, clearly many believe he - spurred or is being investigated, clearly many believe he spared i spurred or is being investigated, i clearly many believe he spared that and was _ clearly many believe he spared that and was impeached _ clearly many believe he spared that and was impeached for— clearly many believe he spared that and was impeached for it— clearly many believe he spared that and was impeached for it conduct i and was impeached for it conduct there _ and was impeached for it conduct there not — and was impeached for it conduct there notiust_ and was impeached for it conduct there. not just the _ and was impeached for it conduct there. notjust the maga- and was impeached for it conduct - there. notjust the maga supporters but all— there. notjust the maga supporters but all the _ there. notjust the maga supporters but all the voting _ there. notjust the maga supporters but all the voting population. - but all the voting population. everyone _ but all the voting population. everyone has— but all the voting population. everyone has to _ but all the voting population. everyone has to go _ but all the voting population. everyone has to go to - but all the voting population. everyone has to go to the - but all the voting population. i everyone has to go to the court but all the voting population. - everyone has to go to the court out in the _ everyone has to go to the court out in the hst — everyone has to go to the court out in the us the— everyone has to go to the court out in the us, the state _ everyone has to go to the court out in the us, the state of— everyone has to go to the court out in the us, the state of federals, i in the us, the state of federals, one of— in the us, the state of federals, one of the — in the us, the state of federals, one of the few— in the us, the state of federals, one of the few government - one of the few government institutions— one of the few government institutions where - one of the few governmentl institutions where everyone one of the few government - institutions where everyone has to id institutions where everyone has to go whether— institutions where everyone has to go whether you _ institutions where everyone has to go whether you have _ institutions where everyone has to go whether you have a _ institutions where everyone has to go whether you have a case - institutions where everyone has to go whether you have a case or- institutions where everyone has to go whether you have a case or to. go whether you have a case or to register— go whether you have a case or to register to — go whether you have a case or to register to vote _ go whether you have a case or to register to vote for— go whether you have a case or to register to vote for a _ go whether you have a case or to register to vote for a birth - register to vote for a birth certificate _ register to vote for a birth certificate and _ register to vote for a birth certificate and in - register to vote for a birth certificate and in the - register to vote for a birth certificate and in the us i register to vote for a birth - certificate and in the us everybody has to _ certificate and in the us everybody has to go— certificate and in the us everybody has to go to — certificate and in the us everybody has to go to the _ certificate and in the us everybody has to go to the court _ certificate and in the us everybody has to go to the court system. - certificate and in the us everybodyt has to go to the court system. and if donald _ has to go to the court system. and if donald trump _ has to go to the court system. and if donald trump is _ has to go to the court system. and if donald trump is the _ has to go to the court system. and if donald trump is the president. has to go to the court system. and i if donald trump is the president and as a leader. — if donald trump is the president and as a leader, former— if donald trump is the president and as a leader, former president - if donald trump is the president and as a leader, former president is - as a leader, former president is saying _ as a leader, former president is saying the — as a leader, former president is saying the judiciary, _ as a leader, former president is saying the judiciary, the - as a leader, former president is saying the judiciary, the justice | saying the judiciary, the justice system — saying the judiciary, the justice system is — saying the judiciary, the justice system is corrupt, _ saying the judiciary, the justice system is corrupt, we - saying the judiciary, the justice system is corrupt, we are - saying the judiciary, the justice system is corrupt, we are not i system is corrupt, we are not talking — system is corrupt, we are not talking about _ system is corrupt, we are not talking about the _ system is corrupt, we are not talking about the legislative i system is corrupt, we are noti talking about the legislative or executive. _ talking about the legislative or executive, those _ talking about the legislative or executive, those are _ talking about the legislative or executive, those are full- talking about the legislative or executive, those are full of. executive, those are full of politics _ executive, those are full of politics because _ executive, those are full of politics because they- executive, those are full of politics because they are i executive, those are full of- politics because they are elected officials — politics because they are elected officials, some _ politics because they are elected officials, some judges— politics because they are elected officials, some judges are - politics because they are elected i officials, some judges are elected but for— officials, some judges are elected but for the — officials, some judges are elected but for the most _ officials, some judges are elected but for the most point _ officials, some judges are elected but for the most point they- officials, some judges are elected but for the most point they are i but for the most point they are appointed _ but for the most point they are appointed antay— but for the most point they are appointed antay are _ but for the most point they are appointed antay are deployed i but for the most point they are i appointed antay are deployed of but for the most point they are - appointed antay are deployed of the deep politics— appointed antay are deployed of the deep politics between—

deep politics between decision—makers - deep politics between decision—makers andl deep politics between| decision—makers and i deep politics between- decision—makers and i believe deep politics between— decision—makers and i believe that is a 36 _ decision—makers and i believe that is a 36 year— decision—makers and i believe that is a 36 year member— decision—makers and i believe that is a 36 year member of— decision—makers and i believe that is a 36 year member of the - decision—makers and i believe that is a 36 year member of the bar- is a 36 year member of the bar association _ is a 36 year member of the bar association in _ is a 36 year member of the bar association in this _ is a 36 year member of the bar association in this country- is a 36 year member of the bar association in this country butl is a 36 year member of the bar- association in this country but when you have _ association in this country but when you have public— association in this country but when you have public officials _ association in this country but when you have public officials attacking i you have public officials attacking the credibility— you have public officials attacking the credibility of— you have public officials attacking the credibility of the _ you have public officials attacking the credibility of the election - the credibility of the election system — the credibility of the election system and _ the credibility of the election system and the _ the credibility of the election system and the judiciary - the credibility of the election system and the judiciary it i the credibility of the election system and the judiciary it is| the credibility of the election - system and the judiciary it is not good _ system and the judiciary it is not good and — system and the judiciary it is not good and if— system and the judiciary it is not good and if you _ system and the judiciary it is not good and if you take _ system and the judiciary it is not good and if you take the - system and the judiciary it is not good and if you take the pollingl system and the judiciary it is not. good and if you take the polling on whether— good and if you take the polling on whether people _ good and if you take the polling on whether people trust _ good and if you take the polling on whether people trust the - good and if you take the polling on i whether people trust the government or the _ whether people trust the government or the justice — whether people trust the government or the justice system _ whether people trust the government or the justice system are _ whether people trust the government or the justice system are not- whether people trust the government or the justice system are not you - or the justice system are not you will see — or the justice system are not you will see there _ or the justice system are not you will see there is _ or the justice system are not you will see there is a _ or the justice system are not you will see there is a large - or the justice system are not you i will see there is a large percentage that don't— will see there is a large percentage that don't because _ will see there is a large percentage that don't because of— will see there is a large percentage that don't because of the _ will see there is a large percentage that don't because of the political. that don't because of the political rhetoric— that don't because of the political rhetoric being _ that don't because of the political rhetoric being put _ that don't because of the political rhetoric being put out _ that don't because of the political rhetoric being put out by- that don't because of the political rhetoric being put out by donald i rhetoric being put out by donald trump _ rhetoric being put out by donald trump and — rhetoric being put out by donald trump and others _ rhetoric being put out by donald trump and others and _ rhetoric being put out by donald trump and others and that - rhetoric being put out by donald trump and others and that is . rhetoric being put out by donald trump and others and that is a i rhetoric being put out by donald - trump and others and that is a huge concern _ trump and others and that is a huge concern and — trump and others and that is a huge concern and that _ trump and others and that is a huge concern and that needs _ trump and others and that is a huge concern and that needs to _ trump and others and that is a huge concern and that needs to be - trump and others and that is a huge concern and that needs to be fixed, | concern and that needs to be fixed, it means _ concern and that needs to be fixed, it means either— concern and that needs to be fixed, it means either donald _ concern and that needs to be fixed, it means either donald trump - concern and that needs to be fixed, it means either donald trump goes| it means either donald trump goes away— it means either donald trump goes away for— it means either donald trump goes away for we — it means either donald trump goes away for we need _ it means either donald trump goes away for we need to _ it means either donald trump goes away for we need to have - it means either donald trump goes away for we need to have others i away for we need to have others saying _ away for we need to have others saying positive _ away for we need to have others saying positive independent - away for we need to have others i saying positive independent thinks of support— saying positive independent thinks of support for— saying positive independent thinks of support for the _ saying positive independent thinks of support for the judiciary- saying positive independent thinksl of support for the judiciary because it is the _ of support for the judiciary because it is the only— of support for the judiciary because it is the only system _ of support for the judiciary because it is the only system we _ of support for the judiciary because it is the only system we have - of support for the judiciary because it is the only system we have of. it is the only system we have of justice — it is the only system we have of justice in— it is the only system we have of justice in this _ it is the only system we have of justice in this country _ it is the only system we have of justice in this country and - it is the only system we have of justice in this country and if - justice in this country and if you're — justice in this country and if you're not— justice in this country and if you're not going _ justice in this country and if you're not going to- justice in this country and if you're not going to pull- justice in this country and if you're not going to pull the| justice in this country and if - you're not going to pull the laws that is— you're not going to pull the laws that is what— you're not going to pull the laws that is what keeps _ you're not going to pull the laws that is what keeps the _ you're not going to pull the laws that is what keeps the united i you're not going to pull the laws- that is what keeps the united states united _ that is what keeps the united states united states. — that is what keeps the united states united states, but— that is what keeps the united states united states, but everyone - that is what keeps the united states united states, but everyone of- that is what keeps the united states united states, but everyone of us i united states, but everyone of us american — united states, but everyone of us american citizens— united states, but everyone of us american citizens have _ united states, but everyone of us| american citizens have committed united states, but everyone of us i american citizens have committed to following _ american citizens have committed to following the — american citizens have committed to following the law _ american citizens have committed to following the law and _ american citizens have committed to following the law and constitution i following the law and constitution and abiding — following the law and constitution and abiding by— following the law and constitution and abiding by the _ following the law and constitution and abiding by the rules. - following the law and constitution and abiding by the rules. without| and abiding by the rules. without that we _ and abiding by the rules. without that we have _ and abiding by the rules. without that we have anarchy—

and abiding by the rules. without that we have anarchy so - and abiding by the rules. without that we have anarchy so that - and abiding by the rules. without that we have anarchy so that is l and abiding by the rules. without that we have anarchy so that is a | that we have anarchy so that is a real dangen _ that we have anarchy so that is a real danger-— that we have anarchy so that is a real danger. when you look at the level of damage _ real danger. when you look at the level of damage that _ real danger. when you look at the level of damage that many - real danger. when you look at the i level of damage that many people think donald trump has done to the system ofjustice, the appointment of incompetentjudges, the rigged doj of incompetentjudges, the rigged d0] and obstruction ofjustice, the serial and ongoing attacks on the legitimacy of the court and juries, that test the system to the limit. it does and we have seen donald trump try and test the limits over and over again to see how far he can go and what he can get away with. ultimately that is what is related to the point of january six ultimately that is what is related to the point ofjanuary six which was a very scary day in washington, dc and i will take it a step further, he permitted the insurrection and trump has learnt he can get away with that. he was impeached but not convicted and obviously he still has a political candidacy that is viable and he defies every bit of political

gravity that we have in part because his core base is unshakeable and we don't know if his republican challengers or those looking to challengers or those looking to challenge will use this as an opportunity to take him on. that is interesting- _ opportunity to take him on. that is interesting. they _ opportunity to take him on. that is interesting. they have _ opportunity to take him on. that is interesting. they have skirted - interesting. they have skirted around the issue, the legal challenges and even his closest challenger, the governor of florida hasn't gone there at all. you wonder at what point they will have to go there. , t, at what point they will have to go there. , ., , ., , there. they will and the question is when do they _ there. they will and the question is when do they move _ there. they will and the question is when do they move and _ there. they will and the question is when do they move and how- there. they will and the question is - when do they move and how aggressive do they go which leads to the ultimate question, will it be effective and we just don't know. backin effective and we just don't know. back in 2016 when he was a candidate a lot of the challengers spoke out and said he wouldn't be fit to serve as president, attacked him in great detail, rick parry gave a great speech, and it didn't matter.

republicans are asking themselves right now will this time be different. right now will this time be different-— right now will this time be different. ~ ., , ., different. we have lost your background. _ different. we have lost your background. sarah, - different. we have lost your background. sarah, i- different. we have lost your background. sarah, iwantl different. we have lost your| background. sarah, iwant to different. we have lost your - background. sarah, i want to get you to react to the guests we just had on in the last few minutes, the trump supporter diane, she said donald trump was not guilty of rape and that will mute the political effect. there will be some people on the trump side who say this was a compromise verdict because they didn't find on rape but that is not right, is it? i didn't find on rape but that is not right. is it?— right, is it? i think that is a spin on what happened. _ right, is it? i think that is a spin on what happened. the - right, is it? i think that is a spin on what happened. the jury - right, is it? i think that is a spin l on what happened. the jury found right, is it? i think that is a spin - on what happened. the jury found e jean carrott— on what happened. the jury found e jean carroll credible, the former president— jean carroll credible, the former president viable, on these claims, and i_ president viable, on these claims, and i think— president viable, on these claims, and i think this is a real check in her box — and i think this is a real check in her box as— and i think this is a real check in her box as to these events. i think

the rape _ her box as to these events. i think the rape issue is a side issue, this is a resounding issue for ms carroll and her— is a resounding issue for ms carroll and her team is a resounding issue for ms carroll and herteam and is a resounding issue for ms carroll and her team and this is different than these — and her team and this is different than these accusations that are out there _ than these accusations that are out there. some of them have materialised into charges at the manhattan da office but the other matters _ manhattan da office but the other matters are still accusations. this is a completed trial and verdict and despite _ is a completed trial and verdict and despite the former president's claimed — despite the former president's claimed that he will appeal this i see very— claimed that he will appeal this i see very few grounds for appeal and i am see very few grounds for appeal and i am sure _ see very few grounds for appeal and i am sure his lawyers will be creative _ i am sure his lawyers will be creative but it seems very unlikely to be _ creative but it seems very unlikely to be successful given how this case was put _ to be successful given how this case was put on — to be successful given how this case was put on by ms carroll's team and ithink— was put on by ms carroll's team and i think this _ was put on by ms carroll's team and i think this rings differently than some _ i think this rings differently than some of— i think this rings differently than some of these other matters that are still pending. this is a completed

ntatter— still pending. this is a completed matter and it also rings differently than some — matter and it also rings differently than some of the accusations that were _ than some of the accusations that were thrown at mr trump that were dropped _ were thrown at mr trump that were dropped directed at mr trump during the prior— dropped directed at mr trump during the prior election cycle. fightjoe, a former— the prior election cycle. fightjoe, a former principal —— federal prosecutor, donald trump likes to talk about — prosecutor, donald trump likes to talk about lawyers and changes them consistently talk about lawyers and changes them consistentlj . . ~ talk about lawyers and changes them consistentlj . ., ,, ., consistently what will he make of joe tac0pina's — consistently what will he make of joe tacopina's performance - consistently what will he make of joe tacopina's performance here| consistently what will he make of. joe tacopina's performance here and does that in any way diminish him in a criminal case in new york? n does that in any way diminish him in a criminal case in new york?- a criminal case in new york? i don't knowjoe a criminal case in new york? i don't know joe tacopina _ a criminal case in new york? i don't knowjoe tacopina personally. - a criminal case in new york? i don't knowjoe tacopina personally. i - a criminal case in new york? i don't| knowjoe tacopina personally. i have heard he is a competent and smart lawyer. irate heard he is a competent and smart la er. ~ . , g ., heard he is a competent and smart la er. . , ., lawyer. we are seeing joe tacopina on rotor and _ lawyer. we are seeing joe tacopina on rotor and we _ lawyer. we are seeing joe tacopina on rotor and we will _ lawyer. we are seeing joe tacopina on rotor and we will see _ lawyer. we are seeing joe tacopina on rotor and we will see if- lawyer. we are seeing joe tacopina on rotor and we will see if we - lawyer. we are seeing joe tacopina on rotor and we will see if we can l on rotor and we will see if we can hear him. now, i don't think we can hear. we will watch these pictures

and see if we get a microphone on him. i and see if we get a microphone on him. , . ., g ., and see if we get a microphone on him. ,. ., him. i expect that joe tacopina will be thrown under _ him. i expect that joe tacopina will be thrown under the _ him. i expect that joe tacopina will be thrown under the bus _ him. i expect that joe tacopina will be thrown under the bus as - him. i expect that joe tacopina will be thrown under the bus as donald j be thrown under the bus as donald trump tends to do. whether he did the bestjob he could with the information he had my guess is you probably won't see him around too much longer. probably won't see him around too much longer-— probably won't see him around too | much longer._ things much longer. let's listen in. things like donald — much longer. let's listen in. things like donald trump... _ much longer. let's listen in. things like donald trump... the _ much longer. let's listen in. things like donald trump... the fact - much longer. let's listen in. things like donald trump... the fact that. like donald trump... the fact that for reid _ like donald trump... the fact that for reid hoffman, who ms carroll was not candid _ for reid hoffman, who ms carroll was not candid about when she testified, that should come into the case, it batances — that should come into the case, it balances out inflammatory prejudice and that— balances out inflammatory prejudice and that was one of them so there is

plenty— and that was one of them so there is plenty of— and that was one of them so there is plenty of grounds for appeal. we are in one _ plenty of grounds for appeal. we are in one sense gratified and also people — in one sense gratified and also people are very happy there rape claim _ people are very happy there rape claim was— people are very happy there rape claim was rejected but i am not, i am happy— claim was rejected but i am not, i am happy about that but i am... he is ready— am happy about that but i am... he is ready to — am happy about that but i am... he is ready to move forward. thus the fight _ is ready to move forward. thus the fight he _ is ready to move forward. thus the fight. he was successful in one appeal— fight. he was successful in one appeal before. he thinks he will be successful— appeal before. he thinks he will be successful in the second one. he is moving _ successful in the second one. he is moving forward as he always does. thank— moving forward as he always does. thank you — moving forward as he always does. thank ou. , moving forward as he always does. thank yon-— thank you. this decision has complicated _ thank you. this decision has complicated the _ thank you. this decision has complicated the career- thank you. this decision has complicated the career for l thank you. this decision has - complicated the career for donald trump? _ complicated the career for donald trump? i— complicated the career for donald trum - ? ., �* ~' complicated the career for donald trum? ., �* ~' complicated the career for donald trum? ., �* ,, , , complicated the career for donald trum . ? ., �* ~' ,., , , ., trump? i don't think so. he seems to be movin: trump? i don't think so. he seems to be moving forward _ trump? i don't think so. he seems to

be moving forward and... _ i think we lost the microphone as the cameraman moved in the pack there. scott bolton, joe tacopina said there was no material evidence in this case, all circumstantial and he also feels the access hollywood type, when he was caught on microphone saying he would grab women by the private parts, that should not have been played to the jury. your thoughts on that? the 'udue jury. your thoughts on that? the: judge allowed, jury. your thoughts on that? tte: judge allowed, you jury. your thoughts on that? tt9 judge allowed, you can be found liable circumstantial evidence. joe knows that, we have done some cases together. he is a very fine lawyer. circumstantial evidence is not as strong as direct evidence. he can lay his arguments to the... in

connection to the tape, if the judge discretion has to allow that in or not and whether that was too prejudicial to come in versus its probative value is the discretionary call by the judge. is probative value is the discretionary call by the judge-— call by the 'udge. is not grounds for call by the judge. is not grounds for appeal? _ call by the judge. is not grounds for appeal? i— call by the judge. is not grounds for appeal? i was _ call by the judge. is not grounds for appeal? i was about - call by the judge. is not grounds for appeal? i was about to - call by the judge. is not grounds for appeal? i was about to go i call by the judge. is not grounds for appeal? i was about to go to j for appeal? i was about to go to that. for appeal? i was about to go to that- they _ for appeal? i was about to go to that. they will _ for appeal? i was about to go to that. they will certainly - for appeal? i was about to go to that. they will certainly argue . for appeal? i was about to go to i that. they will certainly argue that they will look at it but historically in new state, the serving courtjudge leave that to the discretion of the trier of the fact or trier of law and that is thisjudge. if there is enough evidence to show it was not prejudicial they were probably leave that in place. that certainly is an issue to be raised by the defence. joe was saying he was happy that rape was rejected, clearly not happy about the liability for sexual battery, i think that would be an

understatement. he would want to get his client off. understatement. he would want to get his client off-— his client off. certainly but as a criminal defence _ his client off. certainly but as a criminal defence lawyer - his client off. certainly but as a criminal defence lawyer any - his client off. certainly but as a i criminal defence lawyer any time you're found not guilty but as a win for charge but it is a hollow when in a sense you're so found liable for sexual abuse which is not good but if the gop, how they sell that to women voters, or better yet how does the second circuit look at that and render a decision on whether he was found liable simply because that tape was brought in inappropriately or appropriately i think they have an uphill battle ultimately, politically the gop does with this but also legally on the appeal. sarah, with an appeal panel look at an issue like the access hollywood type with any seriousness because can appear person in the united states who doesn't know about these

types? can you hear me? t can states who doesn't know about these types? can you hear me?— types? can you hear me? i can hear ou. types? can you hear me? i can hear you- there — types? can you hear me? i can hear you- there is— types? can you hear me? i can hear you- there is a _ types? can you hear me? i can hear you. there is a difference _ types? can you hear me? i can hear you. there is a difference between i types? can you hear me? i can hear| you. there is a difference between a 'ury you. there is a difference between a tory or— you. there is a difference between a jury or knowing about that and then using _ jury or knowing about that and then using that _ jury or knowing about that and then using that and relying on that evidence _ using that and relying on that evidence is part of the verdict in this case, — evidence is part of the verdict in this case, but the trump team will certainly— this case, but the trump team will certainly ask the second circuit to review _ certainly ask the second circuit to review some of the evidentiary decisions — review some of the evidentiary decisions made by the judge in this case but _ decisions made by the judge in this case but frankly they have a very good _ case but frankly they have a very good and — case but frankly they have a very good and experienced judge and a well respected judge and the circuit is unlikely— well respected judge and the circuit is unlikely to overturn the decisions by the district court judge — decisions by the district court judge particularly one who is so well—regarded here. the split verdict — well—regarded here. the split verdict here, the fact the jury found — verdict here, the fact the jury found the _ verdict here, the fact the jury found the former president liable on some _ found the former president liable on some things and not on others ways against _ some things and not on others ways against the — some things and not on others ways

against the success of an appeal here _ against the success of an appeal here because it shows they carefully considered — here because it shows they carefully considered the evidence and made a decision— considered the evidence and made a decision and the evidence that was admitted _ decision and the evidence that was admitted wasn't overly prejudicial because _ admitted wasn't overly prejudicial because they were able to reject some _ because they were able to reject some of— because they were able to reject some of the arguments made by the plaintiffs _ some of the arguments made by the plaintiffs. the some of the arguments made by the laintiffs. ., ., plaintiffs. the other thing we are sliuhtl plaintiffs. the other thing we are slightly overlooking _ plaintiffs. the other thing we are slightly overlooking here - plaintiffs. the other thing we are slightly overlooking here is - plaintiffs. the other thing we are slightly overlooking here is that. plaintiffs. the other thing we are i slightly overlooking here is that he was found guilty of lying again. that is correct. it was found guilty of lying again. that is correct.— that is correct. it goes to character. _ that is correct. it goes to character. it _ that is correct. it goes to character. it is _ that is correct. it goes to character. it is an - that is correct. it goes to i character. it is an important that is correct. it goes to - character. it is an important part of the whole package.— character. it is an important part of the whole package. that's right and i think the _ of the whole package. that's right and i think the public _ of the whole package. that's right and i think the public is _ of the whole package. that's right and i think the public is a - of the whole package. that's right and i think the public is a little - and i think the public is a little tired _ and i think the public is a little tired of— and i think the public is a little tired of hearing his same denials, the language he uses over and over, but he _ the language he uses over and over, but he continues to disparage ms carrolt— but he continues to disparage ms carroll and his accusers. i think the public— carroll and his accusers. i think the public is tired of hearing that and it— the public is tired of hearing that and it will— the public is tired of hearing that and it will really undermine the trust _ and it will really undermine the trust in — and it will really undermine the trust in the former president. i have _ trust in the former president. i have said — trust in the former president. i have said throughout the president's

le-al have said throughout the president's legal troubles but i doubted his supporters would be swayed one way or the _ supporters would be swayed one way or the other but this one ring a little _ or the other but this one ring a little different to me because i think— little different to me because i think it — little different to me because i think it will be hard for people to stand _ think it will be hard for people to stand behind the president given this decision.— stand behind the president given this decision. doug, you will have heard joe tacopina _ this decision. doug, you will have heard joe tacopina saying - this decision. doug, you will have heard joe tacopina saying he - this decision. doug, you will have heard joe tacopina saying he will| this decision. doug, you will have i heard joe tacopina saying he will go ahead with town hall tomorrow night. i suppose a fightback begins on cnn and he will have to come out with a version of events that is persuasive.— version of events that is persuasive. version of events that is ersuasive. :, , ~ ~' ., persuasive. certainly. we know donald trump _ persuasive. certainly. we know donald trump likes _ persuasive. certainly. we know donald trump likes the - persuasive. certainly. we know. donald trump likes the spotlight persuasive. certainly. we know- donald trump likes the spotlight and doesn't _ donald trump likes the spotlight and doesn't necessarily— donald trump likes the spotlight and doesn't necessarily like _ donald trump likes the spotlight and doesn't necessarily like this - donald trump likes the spotlight and doesn't necessarily like this one - doesn't necessarily like this one tonight— doesn't necessarily like this one tonight but— doesn't necessarily like this one tonight but he _ doesn't necessarily like this one tonight but he accepted - doesn't necessarily like this one tonight but he accepted the - doesn't necessarily like this onel tonight but he accepted the offer from cnn — tonight but he accepted the offer from cnn for— tonight but he accepted the offer from cnn for a _ tonight but he accepted the offer from cnn for a very— tonight but he accepted the offer from cnn for a very good - tonight but he accepted the offer| from cnn for a very good reason, that he _ from cnn for a very good reason, that he will— from cnn for a very good reason, that he will be — from cnn for a very good reason, that he will be the _ from cnn for a very good reason, that he will be the focus - from cnn for a very good reason, that he will be the focus of- that he will be the focus of attention _ that he will be the focus of attention. now— that he will be the focus of attention. now we - that he will be the focus of attention. now we have i that he will be the focus of. attention. now we have this that he will be the focus of- attention. now we have this really bad timing — attention. now we have this really bad timing for— attention. now we have this really bad timing for trump _ attention. now we have this really bad timing for trump he _ attention. now we have this really bad timing for trump he will- attention. now we have this really bad timing for trump he will have| attention. now we have this really. bad timing for trump he will have to come _ bad timing for trump he will have to come up _ bad timing for trump he will have to come up with— bad timing for trump he will have to come up with something _ bad timing for trump he will have to come up with something new. - bad timing for trump he will have to come up with something new. we . bad timing for trump he will have to i come up with something new. we know what he _ come up with something new. we know what he says _ come up with something new. we know what he says into — come up with something new. we know what he says into dismissing _ come up with something new. we know what he says into dismissing charges. what he says into dismissing charges and accusations _ what he says into dismissing charges and accusations all— what he says into dismissing charges and accusations all the _ what he says into dismissing charges and accusations all the time - what he says into dismissing charges and accusations all the time but i and accusations all the time but have _

and accusations all the time but have become _ and accusations all the time but have become supple _ and accusations all the time but have become supple something| and accusations all the time but i have become supple something new and accusations all the time but - have become supple something new on this this _ have become supple something new on this this will— have become supple something new on this this will be — have become supple something new on this this will be the _ have become supple something new on this this will be the news _ have become supple something new on this this will be the news and _ have become supple something new on this this will be the news and will i this this will be the news and will tell us— this this will be the news and will tell us a — this this will be the news and will tell us a good _ this this will be the news and will tell us a good bit _ this this will be the news and will tell us a good bit about _ this this will be the news and will tell us a good bit about how- this this will be the news and will tell us a good bit about how he . tell us a good bit about how he plans— tell us a good bit about how he plans to — tell us a good bit about how he plans to campaign _ tell us a good bit about how he plans to campaign in _ tell us a good bit about how he plans to campaign in the i tell us a good bit about how hei plans to campaign in the future. tell us a good bit about how he i plans to campaign in the future. the difficul plans to campaign in the future. difficulty tomorrow night if he was prepping this for tomorrow night, you go armed with the deposition and at every point he puts forward his case you play the type and that was a problem in this trial, thatjoe tacopina had, at every turn he contradicted himself.- tacopina had, at every turn he contradicted himself. donald trump is all over the _ contradicted himself. donald trump is all over the map _ contradicted himself. donald trump is all over the map on _ contradicted himself. donald trump is all over the map on any _ contradicted himself. donald trump is all over the map on any issue i contradicted himself. donald trump is all over the map on any issue you ask him _ is all over the map on any issue you ask him about — is all over the map on any issue you ask him about including _ is all over the map on any issue you ask him about including this - is all over the map on any issue you ask him about including this one. it| ask him about including this one. it also makes — ask him about including this one. it also makes it— ask him about including this one. it also makes it hard _ ask him about including this one. it also makes it hard to _ ask him about including this one. it also makes it hard to pin— ask him about including this one. it also makes it hard to pin him i ask him about including this one. it| also makes it hard to pin him down. one of— also makes it hard to pin him down. one of the _ also makes it hard to pin him down. one of the reasons _ also makes it hard to pin him down. one of the reasons he _ also makes it hard to pin him down. one of the reasons he has - also makes it hard to pin him down. one of the reasons he has had i one of the reasons he has had success— one of the reasons he has had success in— one of the reasons he has had success in the _ one of the reasons he has had success in the media - one of the reasons he has had success in the media as- one of the reasons he has had success in the media as he i one of the reasons he has had i success in the media as he knows one of the reasons he has had - success in the media as he knows how to deliver— success in the media as he knows how to deliver a _ success in the media as he knows how to deliver a message _ success in the media as he knows how to deliver a message even— success in the media as he knows how to deliver a message even if— success in the media as he knows how to deliver a message even if it - success in the media as he knows how to deliver a message even if it is i to deliver a message even if it is wildly— to deliver a message even if it is wildly inconsistent— to deliver a message even if it is wildly inconsistent and _ to deliver a message even if it is wildly inconsistent and he - to deliver a message even if it is wildly inconsistent and he has i to deliver a message even if it is wildly inconsistent and he has ai wildly inconsistent and he has a base _ wildly inconsistent and he has a base that — wildly inconsistent and he has a base that will— wildly inconsistent and he has a base that will be _ wildly inconsistent and he has a base that will be with _ wildly inconsistent and he has a base that will be with them i wildly inconsistent and he has a i base that will be with them every step of— base that will be with them every step of the — base that will be with them every step of the way _ base that will be with them every step of the way. that _ base that will be with them every step of the way. that is - base that will be with them every step of the way. that is why i base that will be with them every step of the way. that is why we l base that will be with them every- step of the way. that is why we need to see _ step of the way. that is why we need to see in _ step of the way. that is why we need to see in the — step of the way. that is why we need to see in the coming _ step of the way. that is why we need to see in the coming days— step of the way. that is why we need to see in the coming days and - step of the way. that is why we need to see in the coming days and weeks| to see in the coming days and weeks will any— to see in the coming days and weeks will any of— to see in the coming days and weeks will any of his — to see in the coming days and weeks will any of his republican _ will any of his republican challenger— will any of his republican challenger take - will any of his republican challenger take him - will any of his republican - challenger take him head—on will any of his republican _ challenger take him head—on because if they— challenger take him head—on because if they don't _ challenger take him head—on because if they don't trump _ challenger take him head—on because if they don't trump is _ challenger take him head—on because if they don't trump is sure _ challenger take him head—on because if they don't trump is sure to - challenger take him head—on because if they don't trump is sure to be - if they don't trump is sure to be the nominee _ if they don't trump is sure to be the nominee again— if they don't trump is sure to be the nominee again and - if they don't trump is sure to be the nominee again and if- if they don't trump is sure to be the nominee again and if they . if they don't trump is sure to bei the nominee again and if they do if they don't trump is sure to be - the nominee again and if they do we don't _ the nominee again and if they do we don't khow— the nominee again and if they do we don't know yet — the nominee again and if they do we don't know yet how _ the nominee again and if they do we don't know yet how successful- the nominee again and if they do we don't know yet how successful it - don't know yet how successful it will he — don't know yet how successful it will be. �* ., don't know yet how successful it will be. �* . , . will be. but that is about bandwidth, _ will be. but that is about bandwidth, isn't - 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will be. but that is about bandwidth, isn't it, not l will be. but that is about i bandwidth, isn't it, notjust will be. but that is about - bandwidth, isn't it, notjust the appeal in this case but the criminal cases joe has appeal in this case but the criminal casesjoe has already appeal in this case but the criminal cases joe has already set out which are pending, one in new york which is already there, can you be fighting legal battles on multiple fronts and to be a serious candidate for the 2024 election? that fronts and to be a serious candidate for the 2024 election?— for the 2024 election? that is recisel for the 2024 election? that is precisely the _ for the 2024 election? that is precisely the argument - for the 2024 election? that is precisely the argument i - for the 2024 election? that is i precisely the argument i think for the 2024 election? that is - precisely the argument i think some would _ precisely the argument i think some would like _ precisely the argument i think some would like to — precisely the argument i think some would like to see _ precisely the argument i think some would like to see from _ precisely the argument i think some would like to see from ron - precisely the argument i think some would like to see from ron desantis or nikki _ would like to see from ron desantis or nikki haley. _ would like to see from ron desantis or nikki haley, taking _ would like to see from ron desantis or nikki haley, taking the _ would like to see from ron desantis or nikki haley, taking the moral- or nikki haley, taking the moral issues _ or nikki haley, taking the moral issues and — or nikki haley, taking the moral issues and of— or nikki haley, taking the moral issues and of honesty _ or nikki haley, taking the moral issues and of honesty out - or nikki haley, taking the moral issues and of honesty out of - or nikki haley, taking the moral issues and of honesty out of the equation — issues and of honesty out of the equation donald _ issues and of honesty out of the equation donald trump - issues and of honesty out of the equation donald trump is - issues and of honesty out of the equation donald trump isjust. issues and of honesty out of the - equation donald trump isjust racked tiy crisis _ equation donald trump isjust racked by crisis and — equation donald trump isjust racked by crisis and chaos _ equation donald trump isjust racked by crisis and chaos and _ equation donald trump isjust racked by crisis and chaos and that - equation donald trump isjust racked by crisis and chaos and that he - by crisis and chaos and that he won't — by crisis and chaos and that he won't be — by crisis and chaos and that he won't be able _ by crisis and chaos and that he won't be able to _ by crisis and chaos and that he won't be able to either- by crisis and chaos and that he won't be able to either win - by crisis and chaos and that he won't be able to either win asi won't be able to either win as president— won't be able to either win as president or _ won't be able to either win as president or ably— won't be able to either win as president or ably service - won't be able to either win as- president or ably service president and if— president or ably service president and if that— president or ably service president and if that is— president or ably service president and if that is the _ president or ably service president and if that is the argument - and if that is the argument republicans _ and if that is the argument republicans are _ and if that is the argument republicans are making i and if that is the argument. republicans are making might and if that is the argument - republicans are making might have some _ republicans are making might have some headway— republicans are making might have some headway but _ republicans are making might have some headway but we _ republicans are making might have some headway but we need - republicans are making might have some headway but we need to - republicans are making might have some headway but we need to see i republicans are making might have - some headway but we need to see them stand up— some headway but we need to see them stand up and _ some headway but we need to see them stand up and do— some headway but we need to see them stand up and do it. — some headway but we need to see them stand up and do it, they— some headway but we need to see them stand up and do it, theyjust _ stand up and do it, theyjust haven't— stand up and do it, theyjust haven't yet _ stand up and do it, they 'ust haven-t yeti stand up and do it, they 'ust haven't yet. stand up and do it, they 'ust haven't et. , . ., , haven't yet. there is a whole pile on the entry. _ haven't yet. there is a whole pile on the entry. you _ haven't yet. there is a whole pile on the entry, you have _ haven't yet. there is a whole pile on the entry, you have already i haven't yet. there is a whole pile | on the entry, you have already set out some of them. let's go through them. you have a criminal case, campaign payments in new york, georgette case, the grand jury case, which ones do you see the greatest legal peril donald trump? the

classified legal peril donald trump? tie: classified documents legal peril donald trump? tte: classified documents in legal peril donald trump? tt9 classified documents in florida or until the involvement in instigating the january six riots. those are the biggest dangers for him. interesting is the civil casejust biggest dangers for him. interesting is the civil case just found today is the civil case just found today is more of a personal element to it. i agree with one of the prior technically a civil case doesn't have as much exposure as criminal cases and yet the fact he was found whether it was rape or sexual assault or battery against a woman, another human being, i think that will reverberate with people more than the other cases. politically a lot of damage was done to donald trump today stopped as far as the future legal travails, he feeds off it. he says that as part of his fight against the machine and political enemies. the republican party will have to have courage and step up and say do we really want

our nominee to be a person so beset by legal troubles as donald trump? scott, that is the interesting point joe makes, there is no criminal liability here but it speaks the character and when you are going out to the country you appeal to women and independent swing voters who have to make a decision on what type of candidate you are. this is probably the most damaging of all the cases he faces. yes probably the most damaging of all the cases he faces.— probably the most damaging of all the cases he faces. yes and no. yes to those who _ the cases he faces. yes and no. yes to those who are _ the cases he faces. yes and no. yes to those who are independent - to those who are independent democrats and non—maga gop voters. he only has 35—40% of supporters within the gop but to the maga base and the other gop candidates the reason they are not attacking donald trump is because they want those maga voters but if they attack him they run the risk of not getting them because they are so loyal to

him so i don't think any of this is new to the maga voters, they will support him. the question for the gop leadership is candidate sell him still to women voters and independents and others who they need their support in order to win maybe not the nomination but the general election, does donald trump have an up close and is he attractive to the general voting population. the democrats are backing on the fact that he doesn't and this verdict doesn't help if he does get the nomination. he can win with 35 to 40% of the gop vote but can he win the general? all that matters to the gop and democrats is who will win the white house in 2024 and those legislative races and the senate, that is the dichotomy the gop has to start with. taste senate, that is the dichotomy the gop has to start with.— senate, that is the dichotomy the gop has to start with. we are out of time. gop has to start with. we are out of time- donald _ gop has to start with. we are out of time. donald trump _ gop has to start with. we are out of time. donald trump found - gop has to start with. we are out of time. donald trump found liable - gop has to start with. we are out of time. donald trump found liable ofl time. donald trump found liable of sexually abusing and defaming the

writer ej carroll. we have had a great panel. thank you to them. the news is coming up at 10 o'clock in the uk and world news america around the world. hello if you are a fan of the big cloud skip to state was a day of delight across the uk. towering thunderclouds were developing across our skies. northamptonshire jersey developing across our skies. northamptonshirejersey offering. northamptonshire jersey offering. worcester and northamptonshirejersey offering. worcester and the clients were delivering this bolt of lightning caught on camera at late afternoon. in the next few days or more photo ops as well. there will be some beautiful sunshine for a time many of us but then we can anticipate some heavy and thundery showers. a few showers close to the east coast perse few showers close to the east coast per se on wednesday. for many a lot of early sunshine. no pressure swirling rental at compressed mean serves even aveyron they run for scotland and northern ireland but some of these home—grown scrums across east having it as we work

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