good morning on the television and radio. would a pact put you off? sir keir starmer has refused to rule out a coalition with the liberal democrats if labour fails to win an outright majority at the next general election. aed a ed davey was equally reticent to go there. this might gaining 538 councillors, pollsters are suggesting it's not enough for a labour majority. looking ahead, doing the maths, doing the predictions, we like it when politicians cooperate. a lib—lab pact?

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would a pact put you off? let me know what you are thinking about this. do you smell a rat two the tories are using the phrase a coalition of chaos. are you an anti—tory gym do you set a victory for progressive forces in this country? are you are lib dem thinking you are back on the blog and it's going to be better? are you labour? worried about the lib dems talking about brexit gay argue labour today hoping that lib dems will bang on about brexit. call 08085 909 693. text 85058. get in touch anywhere you can. let's listen touch anywhere you can. let's listen to chris mason's interview with sir keir starmer yesterday, the bbc

political editor. the bbc�*s political editor chris mason asked sir keir starmer if he was willing to form a coalition with the snp. no, no deal with the snp. i will tell you for why. because there is a fundamental disagreement. i will never do a deal with a party that thinks that the separation of the united kingdom is the way forward and a border between scotland and england. i do not believe that is the way in which the united kingdom will prosper and we'll never do a deal because of that. would you do a deal with the liberal democrats? well, look, i want to press on for a labour majority, that is what we are aiming for, this is a hypothetical question... so is the snp one, but you answered that directly. but you are equivocal on the lib dems. it is a hypothetical question. i'll be clear. i want to press on for a labour majority. it is not more hypothetical than the snp, is it? but you'll answer one of them clearly and our viewers will say, right, sir keir starmer does not want to do a deal under any circumstances with the snp. that is clear. with the liberal democrats, you're not answering that which suggests that you might. there is this underlying issue with the snp which

is why i am so clear about that. what about the lib dems? it is absolutely, there is no basis for a deal at all with the snp because of their politics of separation. i do not believe it's in the best interest of the united kingdom. now, obviously, you asked me about the lib dems, and other scenarios, these are hypotheticals for the future. i want to be clear that based on those results, we are on course for a labour majority. that is what has been my ambition for the country ever since i took over as leader and that continues to be my ambition. politicians often say they are not going to get into hypotheticals, but they are happy to do it if it suits them. what do you think about this hypothetically? it is five minutes pass nine. good morning, how are you this morning? i pass nine. good morning, how are you this morning?— this morning? i am fine thank you. michelle and _ this morning? i am fine thank you. michelle and george _ this morning? i am fine thank you. michelle and george and _ this morning? i am fine thank you. michelle and george and colin. - this morning? i am fine thank you. michelle and george and colin. a l michelle and george and colin. a professor of government at manchester university. michelle, what do you think? as i said

earlier, this idea of a lib dem, labour coalition, does it tickle your political fancy two yes. labour coalition, does it tickle your political fancy two- your political fancy two yes, it does. it does, _ your political fancy two yes, it does. it does, to _ your political fancy two yes, it does. it does, to be _ your political fancy two yes, it does. it does, to be honest, l your political fancy two yes, it does. it does, to be honest, i| your political fancy two yes, it. does. it does, to be honest, i am ready to sign up for anything with the current chaos. while the conservatives may try and go, talk about it coalition of chaos, what we are... where we are currently as chaos. i would are... where we are currently as chaos. iwould be are... where we are currently as chaos. i would be very happy with a labour majority, i am not a core labour majority, i am not a core labour voter but the more i think about it, a lib dem labour deal would be my preference. the about it, a lib dem labour deal would be my preference. the idea of the anti-conservative _ would be my preference. the idea of the anti-conservative forces - would be my preference. the idea of the anti-conservative forces after . the anti—conservative forces after 13 years, people are politically coalescing. you are not tribal about

this? ., ., , , this? now, i have never been blue, and until sir— this? now, i have never been blue, and until sir keir— this? now, i have never been blue, and until sir keir starmer— this? now, i have never been blue, and until sir keir starmer came - this? now, i have never been blue, and until sir keir starmer came in, | and until sir keir starmer came in, ididn�*t and until sir keir starmer came in, i didn't see myself as red. i don't have a political homeland, but it counted. the thought, i like the idea of the lib dems, but as long as it is not conservative moving forward, i could settle for a coalition and if i thought that was not going to happen, i would vote labour. , ., ., i. not going to happen, i would vote labour. , ., ., , ., . not going to happen, i would vote labour-— it i not going to happen, i would vote l labour-— it is labour. george, do you agree? it is an interesting _ labour. george, do you agree? it is an interesting idea. _ labour. george, do you agree? it is an interesting idea. i— labour. george, do you agree? it is an interesting idea. i had _ labour. george, do you agree? it is an interesting idea. i had not- an interesting idea. i had not thought— an interesting idea. i had not thought about it, but with these projections, that looks the most likely— projections, that looks the most likely way— projections, that looks the most likely way for sir keir starmer to form _ likely way for sir keir starmer to form a _ likely way for sir keir starmer to form a government. it's very interesting. i wonder how long the lib interesting. i wonder how long the lib dem _ interesting. i wonder how long the lib dem collective memory is. you

only have — lib dem collective memory is. you only have to— lib dem collective memory is. you only have to go back to 2015, they swore _ only have to go back to 2015, they swore they— only have to go back to 2015, they swore they would never enter as a minorily— swore they would never enter as a minority partner in a coalition again — minority partner in a coalition again it _ minority partner in a coalition again it is _ minority partner in a coalition again. it is interesting to see what they are _ again. it is interesting to see what they are going to make of it. i do think. _ they are going to make of it. i do think. as — they are going to make of it. i do think. as a — they are going to make of it. i do think, as a conservative, i am a conservative, if they were to be a labour _ conservative, if they were to be a labour led — conservative, if they were to be a labour led government i would rather they was— labour led government i would rather they was a _ labour led government i would rather they was a lib dem element. sir keir stanner— they was a lib dem element. sir keir starmer has — they was a lib dem element. sir keir starmer has taken them far away from where _ starmer has taken them far away from where jeremy corbyn was, a little bit further — where jeremy corbyn was, a little bit further on, some of their more socialist— bit further on, some of their more socialist tendencies, i would be keen_ socialist tendencies, i would be keen on. — socialist tendencies, i would be keen on, this is a real question, a lot of— keen on, this is a real question, a lot of voters — keen on, this is a real question, a lot of voters considering voting labour — lot of voters considering voting labour will want to know if there is going _ labour will want to know if there is going to _ labour will want to know if there is going to be — labour will want to know if there is going to be a coalition, will that come _ going to be a coalition, will that come with— going to be a coalition, will that come with some concession on eu relationships? i believe the lib dems— relationships? i believe the lib dems would demand that any deal the strike whether labour, they would

want _ strike whether labour, they would want a _ strike whether labour, they would want a closer relationship with the eu, membership of a customs union or a single _ eu, membership of a customs union or a single market?— a single market? freedom of movement- _ a single market? freedom of movement. people _ a single market? freedom of movement. people who - a single market? freedom of| movement. people who voted conservative _ movement. people who voted conservative last _ movement. people who voted conservative last time - movement. people who voted conservative last time and - movement. people who voted i conservative last time and have always — conservative last time and have always voted labour before would be very worried about that. sir always voted labour before would be very worried about that.— very worried about that. sir keir starmer has _ very worried about that. sir keir starmer has pulled _ very worried about that. sir keir starmer has pulled back- very worried about that. sir keir starmer has pulled back from i very worried about that. sir keirl starmer has pulled back from the position of freedom of movement. it is an interesting point, where my the lib dems take them a few where are you on this gay i the lib dems take them a few where are you on this ga— are you on this gay i agree with that. sir keir _ are you on this gay i agree with that. sir keir starmer - are you on this gay i agree with that. sir keir starmer has - are you on this gay i agree with that. sir keir starmer has put l are you on this gay i agree with - that. sir keir starmer has put wrote on his— that. sir keir starmer has put wrote on his own — that. sir keir starmer has put wrote on his own back— that. sir keir starmer has put wrote on his own back when— that. sir keir starmer has put wrote on his own back when he _ that. sir keir starmer has put wrote on his own back when he said - that. sir keir starmer has put wrote on his own back when he said he i on his own back when he said he would _ on his own back when he said he would not — on his own back when he said he would not go _ on his own back when he said he would not go back— on his own back when he said he would not go back on _ on his own back when he said he would not go back on brexit. - on his own back when he said he would not go back on brexit. i. on his own back when he said he i would not go back on brexit. i think that pushed — would not go back on brexit. i think that pushed people _ would not go back on brexit. i think that pushed people more _ would not go back on brexit. i think that pushed people more towards l would not go back on brexit. i think. that pushed people more towards the lib that pushed people more towards the lib dems _ that pushed people more towards the lib dems now— that pushed people more towards the lib dems. now we _ that pushed people more towards the lib dems. now we have _ that pushed people more towards the lib dems. now we have seen- that pushed people more towards the lib dems. now we have seen what. lib dems. now we have seen what brewit— lib dems. now we have seen what brexit has— lib dems. now we have seen what brexit has done _ lib dems. now we have seen what brexit has done and _ lib dems. now we have seen what brexit has done and how— lib dems. now we have seen what brexit has done and how it - lib dems. now we have seen what brexit has done and how it has- lib dems. now we have seen what brexit has done and how it has not been _ brexit has done and how it has not been great — brexit has done and how it has not been great for _ brexit has done and how it has not been great for our— brexit has done and how it has not been great for our country, - brexit has done and how it has not been great for our country, people are going — been great for our country, people are going towards _ been great for our country, people are going towards the _ been great for our country, people are going towards the lib- been great for our country, people are going towards the lib dems i been great for our country, people - are going towards the lib dems more. michael—

are going towards the lib dems more. michael stich — are going towards the lib dems more. michael stich is — are going towards the lib dems more. michael stich is became _ are going towards the lib dems more. michael stich is became a _ are going towards the lib dems more. michael stich is became a lib- are going towards the lib dems more. michael stich is became a lib dem - michael stich is became a lib dem majority_ michael stich is became a lib dem majority in — michael stich is became a lib dem majority in the _ michael stich is became a lib dem majority in the local— michael stich is became a lib dem majority in the local council- majority in the local council elections _ majority in the local council elections i_ majority in the local council elections. i could _ majority in the local council elections. i could not - majority in the local council. elections. i could not believe majority in the local council- elections. i could not believe how low the _ elections. i could not believe how low the votes _ elections. i could not believe how low the votes were _ elections. i could not believe how low the votes were for— elections. i could not believe how low the votes were for labour- elections. i could not believe how low the votes were for labour in i low the votes were for labour in comparison _ low the votes were for labour in comparison i_ low the votes were for labour in comparison. i think, _ low the votes were for labour in comparison. i think, people - low the votes were for labour in comparison. i think, people are| comparison. i think, people are thinking — comparison. i think, people are thinking having _ comparison. i think, people are thinking having lib _ comparison. i think, people are thinking having lib dems- comparison. i think, people are l thinking having lib dems watered down _ thinking having lib dems watered down labour, _ thinking having lib dems watered down labour, that's— thinking having lib dems watered down labour, that's probably- thinking having lib dems watered down labour, that's probably a i down labour, that's probably a better— down labour, that's probably a better idea _ down labour, that's probably a better idea now. _ down labour, that's probably a better idea now.— down labour, that's probably a better idea now. fascinating views from all of our _ better idea now. fascinating views from all of our callers. _ better idea now. fascinating views from all of our callers. colin, - better idea now. fascinating views from all of our callers. colin, the i from all of our callers. colin, the local election results in england were really interesting. it seemed that the waning political idea was kind of get them out. yes. that the waning political idea was kind of get them out.— that the waning political idea was kind of get them out. yes, i think that was the _ kind of get them out. yes, i think that was the case. _ kind of get them out. yes, i think that was the case. the _ kind of get them out. yes, i think that was the case. the more - kind of get them out. yes, i think- that was the case. the more detailed analysis shows the wars tactical voting at local levels. not everywhere, i live in bedford, we

elected a tory mayor, there was very little tactical voting at the merrimack level. but lower down, at counsellor level there was tactical voting in some of the words. if it switches back to that at the general election, i think the tories are in serious trouble. the other point is a lot of the discussion about coalitions is based on extrapolating from these results in england only. we have no guesstimates about what is going on in scotland at the moment. the lib dems do better in local council elections and they have clearly ta ken local council elections and they have clearly taken in areas where they were challenging the tories, they were challenging the tories, they have taken vote away from labour. we saw that last week. that is likely to reverse come in a general election because they are not likely to be challenging as much

for mp positions in ourfirst past the post system. generally, all politics is about coalitions. we get upset about coalitions. we already have them, and the difference between us and most european countries, we do our coalitions with then two big political parties, the do theirs with lots of different parties and have proportional representation. ? you know,. who parties and have proportional representation. ? you know,. who is sir keir starmer _ representation. ? you know,. who is sir keir starmer closer _ representation. ? you know,. who is sir keir starmer closer to _ representation. ? you know,. who is sir keir starmer closer to two - representation. ? you know,. who is sir keir starmer closer to two a - representation. ? you know,. who is sir keir starmer closer to two a ed i sir keir starmer closer to two a ed davey orjeremy corbyn? who sir keir starmer closer to two a ed davey orjeremy corbyn? who would be rel in: aed a ed davey or... two i suspect we'd rather rely on a ed davey. a ed davey or. .. two i suspect we'd

rather rely on a ed davey.— rather rely on a ed davey. we'd like to hear from _ rather rely on a ed davey. we'd like to hear from people _ rather rely on a ed davey. we'd like to hear from people on _ rather rely on a ed davey. we'd like to hear from people on this, - to hearfrom people on this, people on the left who supported jeremy corbyn, who feel let down by sir keir starmer, and some of those pledges to have been ditched or kicked into the long grass or whatever. those people feel he is moving the labour party and has moved the labour party too much to the centre for your liking. we are here for you. come on! tell us what you think. the history of lib dems and labour is interesting. we had james callaghan and jeremy thorpe and then we had paddy ashdown in quite concentrated conservations —— conversations with tony blair but ultimately he was not needed. that seem to be the natural centre of gravity, liberal and labour,

until... ., ., , until... you said earlier, the lib dems got _ until... you said earlier, the lib dems got their _ until... you said earlier, the lib dems got their fingers - until... you said earlier, the lib dems got their fingers burnt - until... you said earlier, the lib dems got their fingers burnt by| dems got their fingers burnt by going into a full—scale coalition with the conservatives in 2010. they went into even more intense coalition than i would have expected in the sense of imposing cabinet collective responsibility on themselves which meant they had to go along with anything any conservative minister said. we could have had a different arrangement with more independence in a coalition government. i suspect as a result of that they would be reluctant to go into a full—scale coalition after a general election if that was the situation. i think they would be more likely to go for confidence and supply arrangement which means they would back the labour government, a minority labour government on crucial full over money and issues of confidence but not go into the government and take major possessions and so on. i

not go into the government and take major possessions and so on. ma'or possessions and so on. i would be major possessions and so on. i would be so disappointed _ major possessions and so on. i would be so disappointed if _ major possessions and so on. i would be so disappointed if a _ major possessions and so on. i would be so disappointed if a ed davey - be so disappointed if a ed davey said, i beg your pardon, i never offered you a rose garden. who wants to come back on that? do you want to come in? i to come back on that? do you want to come in? ~ �* , to come back on that? do you want to come in? ~ �*, ., ., , come in? i think it's a really interesting _ come in? i think it's a really interesting point. _ come in? i think it's a really interesting point. we - come in? i think it's a really interesting point. we had i come in? i think it's a really interesting point. we had a| interesting point. we had a discussion in ourfamily interesting point. we had a discussion in our family last interesting point. we had a discussion in ourfamily last night. 0ne discussion in ourfamily last night. one of my family said, well, last time lib dems went in with the conservatives, you know, every government and every party makes a mistake and we have to move forward from it. i personally believe the most important thing is we encourage people to vote, that we give people a space to make a choice, and if your choice is not red or blue, you

just walk away and not get involved in the process or do you find somewhere where your let's go with... someone else, i heard something in the background. i agree, student debt situation that happened where they were scrapping student— happened where they were scrapping student debt and now we have seen what has _ student debt and now we have seen what has happened with this, it burnt— what has happened with this, it burnt the — what has happened with this, it burnt the lib dems greatly. i also think— burnt the lib dems greatly. i also think as _ burnt the lib dems greatly. i also think as a — burnt the lib dems greatly. i also think as a society and a younger generation, we always look at ourselves— generation, we always look at ourselves as being progressive. when we look— ourselves as being progressive. when we look to— ourselves as being progressive. when we look to america, we are three to four years _ we look to america, we are three to four years behind them, where they had donald — four years behind them, where they had donald trump, we had boris johnson — had donald trump, we had boris johnson. now they have gone with joe biden _ johnson. now they have gone with joe biden and _ johnson. now they have gone with joe

biden, and the democrats, and not seen _ biden, and the democrats, and not seen as— biden, and the democrats, and not seen as political change in the country. — seen as political change in the country, it's pretty much more of the same — country, it's pretty much more of the same as— country, it's pretty much more of the same as what it was with donald trumn _ the same as what it was with donald trumn the — the same as what it was with donald trump. the fear now with the younger generation _ trump. the fear now with the younger generation, if sir keir starmer comes— generation, if sir keir starmer comes in. _ generation, if sir keir starmer comes in, it will again be more of the same — comes in, it will again be more of the same to— comes in, it will again be more of the same to what the tories have been _ the same to what the tories have been which — the same to what the tories have been which is why we are now looking towards the _ been which is why we are now looking towards the lib dems, especially the younger— towards the lib dems, especially the younger generation to bring a third party— younger generation to bring a third party and _ younger generation to bring a third party and because we do want change. jeremy— party and because we do want change. jeremy corbyn in the younger generation, bernie sanders, people are coming — generation, bernie sanders, people are coming more socialist than the older— are coming more socialist than the older generation want to realise. no. older generation want to realise. no i_ older generation want to realise. no i love — older generation want to realise. no. i love these political theories, and these analyses that you are coming outwith. to all our callers, thank you. we are bringing injames.

newcastle, and guildford. steve, it is in other selma —— sell out. the lib dems supporters for the party, the damage done about student fees with cameron, this morning a ed davey read out the manifesto pledge from liberal party website. their pledge as we will rejoin the eu. because this was put on the table yesterday about the coalition, already, he is skirting around the pledge, your manifesto said you will rejoin the eu. labour knows and he knows that labour cannot take up that pledge because if they do, they will not come anywhere close to getting a majority in the houses of parliament. again, he isjust, the

party of integrity, he is going back into the mire that we have had for the last 13 years. honesty and simplicity. the last 13 years. honesty and simplicity-— simplicity. which party do you traditionally _ simplicity. which party do you traditionally support? - simplicity. which party do you traditionally support? which l simplicity. which party do you i traditionally support? which one simplicity. which party do you - traditionally support? which one are you drawn to two i traditionally support? which one are you drawn to tw— you drawn to two i was a labour supporter _ you drawn to two i was a labour supporter because _ you drawn to two i was a labour supporter because i _ you drawn to two i was a labour supporter because i have - you drawn to two i was a labour supporter because i have been l you drawn to two i was a labour| supporter because i have been a socialist all my life but then i voted for brexit, one sole issue, brexit. i might have made a mistake, i know that now. in brexit. i might have made a mistake, i know that now.— i know that now. in the dead of niaht, i know that now. in the dead of night. do _ i know that now. in the dead of night. do you — i know that now. in the dead of night, do you look— i know that now. in the dead of night, do you look at _ i know that now. in the dead of night, do you look at the - i know that now. in the dead of| night, do you look at the ceiling i know that now. in the dead of. night, do you look at the ceiling at three o'clock in the morning and think... two i three o'clock in the morning and think- -- two— think... two i feelthe establishment - think... two i feelthe establishment was . think... two i feelthe establishment was so | think... two i feel the - establishment was so badly think... two i feel the _ establishment was so badly wounded that they lost the vote, they would do anything to discredit it. the prime minister, rishi sunak, he can

push brexit through to a successful conclusion, the conservative party, lib dems stood on this one issue amongst others about rejoining. if you are a liberal supporter today and you watched your leader this morning, roll over, let his tummy get tickled because of a centre power, how must they feel today? james, good morning. iwas good morning. i was asking about something — good morning. i was asking about something different, but let's not avoid _ something different, but let's not avoid the — something different, but let's not avoid the question. i voted for

brexit. — avoid the question. i voted for brexit, perhaps i made a mistake, did he _ brexit, perhaps i made a mistake, did he say— brexit, perhaps i made a mistake, did he say that in the coming? i think— did he say that in the coming? i think the — did he say that in the coming? i think the lib dem policy which are voted _ think the lib dem policy which are voted democratically at conference, all liberal _ voted democratically at conference, all liberal democrats know in reality. — all liberal democrats know in reality, we do believe in working together— reality, we do believe in working together and being part of the european union, and the continued stability. _ european union, and the continued stability, they have been through this horrible period of brexit, not only the — this horrible period of brexit, not only the referendum, it has damaged the country— only the referendum, it has damaged the country what has happened. a democratic result, sadly, for howl feel, _ democratic result, sadly, for howl feel. was— democratic result, sadly, for howl feel, was that happened and it has been _ feel, was that happened and it has been enacted and i don't think that's— been enacted and i don't think that's the _ been enacted and i don't think that's the issue at the moment. if you that's the issue at the moment. you were in that's the issue at the moment. if you were in power with labour you would like to gently nudge them a

i would put all my efforts into sorting out the climate emergency. i think brexit and european relations are important to be a part of that, but it full is behind that night. everyone is fed up with, i am a lib dem, took time, didn't it? taste everyone is fed up with, i am a lib dem, took time, didn't it?- dem, took time, didn't it? we can look at it in _ dem, took time, didn't it? we can look at it in a _ dem, took time, didn't it? we can look at it in a sensible _ dem, took time, didn't it? we can look at it in a sensible way. - dem, took time, didn't it? we can look at it in a sensible way. i - dem, took time, didn't it? we can look at it in a sensible way. i have | look at it in a sensible way. i have explained — look at it in a sensible way. i have explained that it is our policy. at conference, we vote on policies. i don't _ conference, we vote on policies. i don't think— conference, we vote on policies. i don't think it is going to change. the most — don't think it is going to change. the most important thing, i wanted to ask— the most important thing, i wanted to ask about the coalition chat, it is on _ to ask about the coalition chat, it is on our— to ask about the coalition chat, it is on our website because it is the policy— is on our website because it is the policy we — is on our website because it is the policy we believe in. you said you regretted — policy we believe in. you said you regretted voting for brexit. if policy we believe in. you said you regretted voting for brexit.- regretted voting for brexit. if you look at their— regretted voting for brexit. if you look at their website _ regretted voting for brexit. if you look at their website and - regretted voting for brexit. if you look at their website and think, l regretted voting for brexit. if m. look at their website and think, i'm really into that policy, i willjoin

the liberal party and vote liberal and lo and behold, we've been sold a lie. you are saying your policy is to rejoin the eu. saint mark the climate emergency is killing people. there are other issues we need to look at. we there are other issues we need to look at. ~ . . there are other issues we need to look at. ~ ., ., ., look at. we had a referendum about euro -e look at. we had a referendum about europe and — look at. we had a referendum about europe and it _ look at. we had a referendum about europe and it became _ look at. we had a referendum about europe and it became an _ look at. we had a referendum about europe and it became an issue - look at. we had a referendum about europe and it became an issue that| europe and it became an issue that was relevant and current and most important. — was relevant and current and most important, of course we would be on the site _ important, of course we would be on the site of— important, of course we would be on the site of working with europe, 90% of liberal— the site of working with europe, 90% of liberal democrats and most labour voters _ of liberal democrats and most labour voters would agree with that. the biggest _ voters would agree with that. the biggest thing at the moment is sorting — biggest thing at the moment is sorting out the stability of this country— sorting out the stability of this country and sustainability. the whole issue — country and sustainability. the whole issue of _ country and sustainability. iie: whole issue of europe, country and sustainability. tie: whole issue of europe, the country and sustainability. ti2 whole issue of europe, the lib dems unapologetically very much remain and we should have remained, and we did not remain but we need to move back towards, the natural order of

things, the centre of gravity will necessitate closer cooperation with the european union one way or another, by stealth, de facto. iam i am getting political slogans. the sir keir starmer knows it would really annoy the will of voters that they want but if they were to get closer it would delight some of the voters he has already. he is walking a tightrope, sir keir starmer. i can understand — a tightrope, sir keir starmer. i can understand why — a tightrope, sir keir starmer. i can understand why labour _ a tightrope, sir keir starmer. i can understand why labour would be in favour of closer relationship with the eu if not at some time in the future topping about having a closer treaty relationship of some sort. at the moment, the aftermath of the

brexit vote in 2016 and ensuing chaos, and polarisation, i do not think the feel they can come out and say that at the moment. although it is quite clear now the poll are moving clearly in the direction of having rejected the idea that we should have left the european union. to put this into context, i am reading a book at the moment from a friend of mine from the united states, within a few years, 40% of the world population will live within four blocks, india will be the biggest by population, china, the biggest by population, china, the european union and the usa. that is 40% of the world population in those blocks. and they are if you look at the economic statistics, they are increasingly becoming internalised trading blocs. they are

moving away from the global model we had for the last 30 years and those blocks will repatriate a lot of stuff into their internal trading within those huge blocks of people. we are outside all four. there is going to be huge gravitational pull for us to go back towards the eu in some form of another. that for us to go back towards the eu in some form of another.— for us to go back towards the eu in some form of another. that was what i was some form of another. that was what i was trying — some form of another. that was what i was trying to say. — some form of another. that was what i was trying to say, it _ some form of another. that was what i was trying to say, it is _ some form of another. that was what i was trying to say, it is the _ some form of another. that was what i was trying to say, it is the way - i was trying to say, it is the way it has to be, it is a natural law of things and others will say no. my goodness me, it is already all about brexit already. is there a doctor in the house? an nhs doctor in rotherham, lets see if we agree. what you want to see a good morning? i am an nhs doctor, junior doctor

since 2013, just about... i have been a labour member since ijoined the party during jeremy corbyn's leadership campaign because i did not want him to become leader and over that went very well. labour has never really been a natural home for me, i would vote for the lib dems if they had a strong support in the north—east but they never will. i am a reluctant labour member. for many nhs workers we have been flattened over the last 13 years by what the tories have done to the health service. we were looking forward to a big labour majority. doctors will be alarmed by the rhetoric coming out of sir keir starmer and rachel

reeves. i think for example you would have expected to strike a conciliatory note with doctors in the light of current industrial action. but he went on to a wrong footing with us. jeremy hunt has managed at least two in part sort out the nhs consultant pension crisis but rachel reeves is going to steam—roll that. labour majority working unchecked with little governing experience, there is something to be said for checks and balances that a more sensible lib dem involvement would be whether thatis dem involvement would be whether that is a coalition or not would bring to us. fish that is a coalition or not would bring to us— that is a coalition or not would bring to us. an interesting point about some _ bring to us. an interesting point about some of _ bring to us. an interesting point about some of the _ bring to us. an interesting point about some of the pledges - bring to us. an interesting point i about some of the pledges people bring to us. an interesting point - about some of the pledges people are accusing sir keir starmer of having

ditched. tuition fees, yes, tuition fees very much part of the history of political pact in this country. the other doctor in rotherham, do you agree with your colleague? to be clear, i you agree with your colleague? to be clear. i would — you agree with your colleague? to be clear, i would say _ you agree with your colleague? to be clear, i would say this _ you agree with your colleague? to be clear, i would say this first, _ clear, i would say this first, brexit— clear, i would say this first, brexit and success or prosperity are an oxymoron. you cannot have both at the same _ an oxymoron. you cannot have both at the same time. if any evidence was needed _ the same time. if any evidence was needed after everything that has happened, what do you want to talk about? _ happened, what do you want to talk about? the — happened, what do you want to talk about? the nhs, the eu doctors and nurses— about? the nhs, the eu doctors and nurses who _ about? the nhs, the eu doctors and nurses who have left after brexit is enormous — nurses who have left after brexit is enormous and people are dying waiting — enormous and people are dying waiting for ambulances because of this. . . ~ waiting for ambulances because of this. . . ,, ., this. let me check that in with our other doctor- _ this. let me check that in with our other doctor. is _ this. let me check that in with our other doctor. is that _ this. let me check that in with our other doctor. is that a _ this. let me check that in with our other doctor. is that a fair- other doctor. is that a fair

assessment?— other doctor. is that a fair assessment? , ., , , ., , assessment? obviously, we have been talkin: assessment? obviously, we have been talking about — assessment? obviously, we have been talking about brexit _ assessment? obviously, we have been talking about brexit for _ assessment? obviously, we have been talking about brexit for the _ assessment? obviously, we have been talking about brexit for the last - talking about brexit for the last however many years, but it is absolutely true from where i am setting... to absolutely true from where i am settinu... ., ., �* setting... to say that brexit has caused deaths _ setting... to say that brexit has caused deaths a _ setting. .. to say that brexit has caused deaths a few— setting... to say that brexit has caused deaths a few people - setting... to say that brexit has caused deaths a few people willj setting... to say that brexit has - caused deaths a few people will take issue with that. abs, caused deaths a few people will take issue with that.— issue with that. a huge part of the roblem issue with that. a huge part of the problem of — issue with that. a huge part of the problem of the — issue with that. a huge part of the problem of the nhs _ issue with that. a huge part of the problem of the nhs at _ issue with that. a huge part of the problem of the nhs at the - issue with that. a huge part of the | problem of the nhs at the moment issue with that. a huge part of the i problem of the nhs at the moment is a staffing crisis, if you turn away a staffing crisis, if you turn away a huge catchment area of staff, which has happened, they have deserted the nhs in droves and gone back to the eu, that is not going to improve the problem. absolutely. carry on. i improve the problem. absolutely. car on. . , improve the problem. absolutely. car on. ., , ., carry on. i am very angry what has ha--ened carry on. i am very angry what has happened to _ carry on. i am very angry what has happened to the — carry on. i am very angry what has happened to the nhs _ carry on. i am very angry what has happened to the nhs and - carry on. i am very angry what has happened to the nhs and the - carry on. i am very angry what has i happened to the nhs and the country as a whole. _ happened to the nhs and the country as a whole, and the conservative government, there was 100,000 people have missed mortgage payments or at

risk of— have missed mortgage payments or at risk of losing their homes or they are renting — risk of losing their homes or they are renting accommodation because of the current— are renting accommodation because of the current financial situation which — the current financial situation which i — the current financial situation which i understand is multifactorial but a _ which i understand is multifactorial but a big _ which i understand is multifactorial but a big part of it is not being able _ but a big part of it is not being able to— but a big part of it is not being able to find two metres in the shops and so _ able to find two metres in the shops and so on _ able to find two metres in the shops and so on. the confidence we have is resting _ and so on. the confidence we have is resting livelihoods and lives and it is something i have seen in the nhs for the _ is something i have seen in the nhs for the last— is something i have seen in the nhs for the last ten or so years. that is your view on that. let me concentrate your mind on the question. practice, the coalition... let me... —— pacts. would aipac put you off or do you think needs most if it were to be labour and the lib dems from your perspective? i want to hear from tories this dems from your perspective? i want to hearfrom tories this morning but your perspective, a pact? you to hear from tories this morning but your perspective, a pact?— your perspective, a pact? you are talkin: to your perspective, a pact? you are talking to me? — your perspective, a pact? you are talking to me? ok, _

your perspective, a pact? you are talking to me? ok, like _ your perspective, a pact? you are talking to me? ok, like i - your perspective, a pact? you are talking to me? ok, like i said - your perspective, a pact? you are talking to me? ok, like i said i. your perspective, a pact? you are| talking to me? ok, like i said i am talking to me? 0k, like i said i am a liberal— talking to me? 0k, like i said i am a liberal democrat councillor here, having _ a liberal democrat councillor here, having been burned by the coalition because _ having been burned by the coalition because we had not done the best thing _ because we had not done the best thing preparing for going into a coalition — thing preparing for going into a coalition, because of that the confidence and supply arrangement is probably— confidence and supply arrangement is probably more like what we are going to get— probably more like what we are going to get because i think labour don't want _ to get because i think labour don't want to— to get because i think labour don't want to fully commit to coalition with the — want to fully commit to coalition with the lib dems and the lib dems might— with the lib dems and the lib dems might feel— with the lib dems and the lib dems might feel a bit apprehensive about going _ might feel a bit apprehensive about going into _ might feel a bit apprehensive about going into it. i will say there is a positive — going into it. i will say there is a positive case for a coalition that could _ positive case for a coalition that could be — positive case for a coalition that could be the best thing for the country— could be the best thing for the country including something like thinking — country including something like thinking about going back into the customs _ thinking about going back into the customs union and reducing the difficulty— customs union and reducing the difficulty of getting people and goods— difficulty of getting people and goods into the country. let difficulty of getting people and goods into the country. let me stop ou there. goods into the country. let me stop you there- you _ goods into the country. let me stop you there. you have _ goods into the country. let me stop you there. you have stated - goods into the country. let me stop you there. you have stated clearly l you there. you have stated clearly and very well. i have to move on. i

have to move to the news but that's a very good thought. great contribution, everybody. thank you so much. what you have highlighted there is the difficulty keir starmer faces if there is any hint of a more pro—eu approach, he risks alienating a lot of people who deserted the tories last time in the famed red wall and went with mrjohnson, and he is winning them back. there is a lot of evidence he is doing that, if you look at the local council results. how do you feel about a pact? 08085 909693 is the number and you can text on 08085. it is 9.33. great calls. let's have some more. here is bethan holmes with the news.

thanks, nikki. the former us president — donald trump — has been ordered to pay a woman £4 million after a jury found he sexually abused her in a new york department store in the �*90s. the civil trial rejected e jean carroll's claim of rape — but upheld her other complaints. mr trump says he'll appeal. a baby has been born — using three people's dna for the first time in the uk. most of the dna comes from the two parents and around 0.1% from an egg donor. the pioneering technique is trying to prevent children inheriting genetic disorders — which can be incurable or even fatal. lawyers for prince harry and three other alleged victims of illegal activities byjournalists at mirror group newspapers will begin a seven—week trial in the civil courts this morning. they're trying to prove that executives knew about widespread phone hacking — but failed to act. and a major incident has been declared in somerset where heavy rainfall has caused flash floods. the environment agency says some homes have been evacuated

and there is a chance of further flooding. those were the news headlines. now with the sport — here's katie smith. thank you, good morning. jack grealish says manchester city have learnt so much since last year and will feel unstoppable at the etihad next week. kevin de bruyne cancelled out vinicius jr's first—half stunner to help city to a 1—1 draw against real madrid at the bernabeu in the champions league semifinal. a year ago the ill—time champions pulled off a second—leg late comeback to knock city out. tonight the other semifinal is a milan derby — ac take on inter — we have commentary later on 5 live. to rugby union — the rfu have banned a former council member and ex london irish prop alex murphy from twickenham. it's for making racist comments towards a volunteer during a six nations match last year. no way�*s and dressler miss and has taken the overall lead of the giro

d'italia after four stages. britain's karen thomas is in sixth position, 1.26 back. and mexico's antonia carver helm, the first footballer to play at five world cups, has died at the age of 93. —— and mexican football legend antonio carbajal, the first footballer to play at five world cups, has died aged 93. he featured in all five editions from brazil 1950 to 1966 when england hosted the world cup. so what is on your agenda politically, generally? well, we have a panel of mps which we have

every wednesday and you can get in touch and ask them whatever you want. it is pmqs today, you can follow that in the same way you are watching or listening to us now on 5 live, bbc sounders, bbc news, iplayer. this week on the panel at ten o'clock it is bob seely, conservative mp for the isle of wight. nevershy conservative mp for the isle of wight. never shy about coming forward, bob. labour'sjames murray, mp for ealing north and shadow financial secretary. and richard thomson, the snp make a return on the mps panel. what would you like to ask any of them? richard is the mp for gordon and their westminster spokesman on international trade, northern ireland and wales. that's coming up at ten o'clock so get in touch. it is 9.37.

we have got some more great callers coming up and colin talbot, emeritus professor of government at manchester university. we are asking this morning whether a pact would put you off with sir keir starmer and sir ed davey are a couple of knights, both ducking the question whether they would go into a pact with the other. there you go. patricia in east london. julia in milton keynes, how do you feel about a pact? milton keynes, how do you feel about a act? ., �* ., , ., , milton keynes, how do you feel about aact? ., �* .,, ., ,, a pact? hello. i'm a bit nervous but i have a pact? hello. i'm a bit nervous but i have phoned _ a pact? hello. i'm a bit nervous but i have phoned you _ a pact? hello. i'm a bit nervous but i have phoned you this _ a pact? hello. i'm a bit nervous but i have phoned you this morning - i have phoned you this morning because when i was listening to this it really kind of brought up a lot of strong feelings in me and things i've been thinking anyway. a liberal

democrat — labour pact would be a disaster for democrat — labour pact would be a disasterfor women, very democrat — labour pact would be a disaster for women, very dangerous for women, women and women's rights. there is a huge groundswell in women's groups at the moment because there are major, major issues going on. at the moment i can't see, and i have voted for every party in the past my voted for blair, the iraq war finished past my voted for blair, the iraq warfinished me on past my voted for blair, the iraq war finished me on that. past my voted for blair, the iraq warfinished me on that. so i won't go down there. but i think if there are not going to be guarantees of safe, single separate spaces for girls and women i think that is a major... at the moment i don't see how any woman can vote for liberal or labour, i really mean that, i think it is a massive issue that will get stronger and stronger as the election comes closer. because this also protects spaces for boys and men as well. there is a huge crisis in in young male mental health at the moment. and of the reasons is they don't really know where they sit in the current world. we have seen the labour mp lloyd

russell—moyle absolutely attack a fellow female verbally in the house of commons. i wrote to the labour party i felt so strongly about that, i've never written to the labour party in my life, ifelt i've never written to the labour party in my life, i felt it was so atrocious. party in my life, i felt it was so atrocious-— party in my life, i felt it was so atrocious. ~ ., , ' atrocious. was that rosie duffield? yes, it atrocious. was that rosie duffield? yes. it was — atrocious. was that rosie duffield? yes, it was dreadful. _ atrocious. was that rosie duffield? yes, it was dreadful. i _ atrocious. was that rosie duffield? yes, it was dreadful. i don't - yes, it was dreadful. i don't normally see that, and it was absolutely appalling. i know loads of other women who were appalled by that as well. there is quite strong evidence i think i've been reading a lot about this, don't come to my opinions lightly, i really try and think about them because i think it is important that we vote and think how we vote. there is evidence that the liberal democrats and ed davey have taken funding from a puberty blocking company. let’s have taken funding from a puberty blocking company.— have taken funding from a puberty blocking company. let's not go there because he is — blocking company. let's not go there because he is not... _ blocking company. let's not go there because he is not... i'm _ blocking company. let's not go there because he is not... i'm only - blocking company. let's not go there because he is not... i'm only saying. because he is not... i'm only saying it because he is not here to answer it. you've made an interesting point. i'm not closing you down but you have made an interesting and substantive point. can you have made an interesting and substantive point.— substantive point. can i mention women's sport— substantive point. can i mention women's sport which _ substantive point. can i mention women's sport which is - substantive point. can i mention women's sport which is under. substantive point. can i mention - women's sport which is under attack around the world. in australia there

is a transgender male footballer who has caused huge levels of injury within a women's league and that is under investigation at the moment in australia. we obviously have a major cycling event that has been won by a transgender male. and in the us the suffragette colours are back. can i take our suffragette colours are back. can i take your major — suffragette colours are back. can i take your major point. _ suffragette colours are back. can i take your major point. i _ suffragette colours are back. can i take your major point. i feel - suffragette colours are back. can i take your major point. i feel quite | take your ma'or point. i feel quite passionately — take your major point. i feel quite passionately about _ take your major point. i feel quite passionately about it. _ take your major point. i feel quite passionately about it. i _ take your major point. i feel quite passionately about it. i can - take your major point. i feel quite passionately about it. i can hear l passionately about it. i can hear ou feel passionately about it. i can hear you feel passionately. _ passionately about it. i can hear you feel passionately. it - passionately about it. i can hear you feel passionately. it is - passionately about it. i can hear you feel passionately. it is a - you feel passionately. it is a debate that is very difficult to have because there are so many people, i believe, of good faith on both sides of this debate. the battle for nuance and a middle ground is such a difficult one. that apart, i how important this is to the electorate in general, to individuals out there who will be casting their vote at the next election, whenever that is. it has to be, i think,

election, whenever that is. it has to be, ithink, byjanuary election, whenever that is. it has to be, i think, byjanuary the year after next. colin talbot... it should be because it effects safeguarding in schools, safeguarding in schools, safeguarding and social areas, community. safeguarding and social areas, community-— safeguarding and social areas, communi . �* ., ., ., community. i've got it. i want to take the politics... _ community. i've got it. i want to take the politics... i— community. i've got it. i want to take the politics... i want - community. i've got it. i want to take the politics... i want to - community. i've got it. i want to| take the politics... i want to take it to the politics. i hear what you're saying, many people will hear what you're saying, i'd be applauding at many people will hear what you are saying and will be appalled. that's the nature of that particular debate. but colin talbot, julio, you hear her passion, incredibly articulate in her beliefs, and for her side of the argument. how important... we saw what has been going on in scotland, the snp and by coming up in our mps panel, how important is this debate for people who will be casting their vote? because the conservatives are seeking to highlight it, keir starmer is pulling back a little bit on his position. the number of mps who have been asked, it was a

standard interview question that mps are asked, can a woman have a venus? it was like in every single interview. is it big out there amongst the electorate? —— can a woman have a penis? sorry, we cannot hear you. woman have a penis? sorry, we cannot hearyou. i woman have a penis? sorry, we cannot hear ou. . , woman have a penis? sorry, we cannot hear ou. .,, , , .,, hear you. i was muted because i was cou:~hin hear you. i was muted because i was coughing before. _ hear you. i was muted because i was coughing before. i— hear you. i was muted because i was coughing before. i don't— hear you. i was muted because i was coughing before. i don't think - hear you. i was muted because i was coughing before. i don't think it - hear you. i was muted because i was coughing before. i don't think it is i coughing before. i don't think it is a huge _ coughing before. i don't think it is a huge issue politically in terms of where _ a huge issue politically in terms of where votes are going to go in the uk at _ where votes are going to go in the uk at the — where votes are going to go in the uk at the moment. clearly it is a huge _ uk at the moment. clearly it is a huge and — uk at the moment. clearly it is a huge and important issue. people, including _ huge and important issue. people, including lots of women. there is a clear— including lots of women. there is a clear conflict between trans rights and women's rights in certain areas, the two _ and women's rights in certain areas, the two most important ones as your caller— the two most important ones as your caller has— the two most important ones as your caller has said are in the sports, which _ caller has said are in the sports, which has — caller has said are in the sports, which has not been debated quite as much _ which has not been debated quite as much as— which has not been debated quite as much as the other area around safe spaces _ much as the other area around safe spaces for— much as the other area around safe spaces for women. but there is a clear— spaces for women. but there is a clear conflict of interests. my sense — clear conflict of interests. my sense is _ clear conflict of interests. my sense is at the moment is that the

debate _ sense is at the moment is that the debate is — sense is at the moment is that the debate is actually beginning to move to more _ debate is actually beginning to move to more of— debate is actually beginning to move to more of a discussion about how do we resolve _ to more of a discussion about how do we resolve those areas where there are conflicts. | we resolve those areas where there are conflicts-— are conflicts. i get the sense there is a generational— are conflicts. i get the sense there is a generational divide _ are conflicts. i get the sense there is a generational divide on - are conflicts. i get the sense there is a generational divide on this - are conflicts. i get the sense there| is a generational divide on this one as well. ,, �* ., �* , ., as well. sure. but i don't see at the moment. — as well. sure. but i don't see at the moment, there _ as well. sure. but i don't see at the moment, there isn't, - as well. sure. but i don't see at - the moment, there isn't, comparing this with _ the moment, there isn't, comparing this with what has happened in the united _ this with what has happened in the united states with roe v wade and abortion— united states with roe v wade and abortion rights, that is a big trigger— abortion rights, that is a big trigger issue for women in the united — trigger issue for women in the united states and it is showing up in the _ united states and it is showing up in the polls with republican women voting _ in the polls with republican women voting either choosing to stay home or voting _ voting either choosing to stay home or voting democrat or independent as a result— or voting democrat or independent as a result of— or voting democrat or independent as a result of what is happening at state _ a result of what is happening at state level now in the united states — state level now in the united states. so there is a very clear trigger— states. so there is a very clear trigger issue where people feel passionately about it but there is something to mobilise around because there is— something to mobilise around because there is legislation going through at state _ there is legislation going through at state level and so on and there are selections where that's actually important — are selections where that's actually important issue. you are selections where that's actually important issue.— important issue. you don't think it has the same _ important issue. you don't think it has the same traction? _ important issue. you don't think it has the same traction? there - important issue. you don't think it has the same traction? there is i

important issue. you don't think it | has the same traction? there is not the same thing here. people are so passionate about it on both sides, you just need to hear the passion and hear the arguments, and you just need to hear the passion and hearthe arguments, and it you just need to hear the passion and hear the arguments, and it gets incredibly acrimonious. it and hear the arguments, and it gets incredibly acrimonious.— incredibly acrimonious. it can do but there has _ incredibly acrimonious. it can do but there has been _ incredibly acrimonious. it can do but there has been some - incredibly acrimonious. it can do - but there has been some commentary in the _ but there has been some commentary in the past _ but there has been some commentary in the past few months where i think some _ in the past few months where i think some people are beginning to moderate their position a bit and discuss _ moderate their position a bit and discuss it— moderate their position a bit and discuss it sensibly as there is a conflict — discuss it sensibly as there is a conflict of— discuss it sensibly as there is a conflict of rights and let's try and work— conflict of rights and let's try and work out — conflict of rights and let's try and work out how we can manage those best~ _ work out how we can manage those best~ very— work out how we can manage those best. very difficult during a debate or a phone — best. very difficult during a debate or a phone in about it when people say i _ or a phone in about it when people say i want — or a phone in about it when people say i want to come on if they are coming — say i want to come on if they are coming on. _ say i want to come on if they are coming on, if they are coming on i won't _ coming on, if they are coming on i won't come — coming on, if they are coming on i won't come on. | coming on, if they are coming on i won't come on-_ won't come on. i get that, i understand _ won't come on. i get that, i understand completely - won't come on. i get that, i | understand completely why. won't come on. i get that, i i understand completely why. it won't come on. i get that, i - understand completely why. it is in people's hearts, this one. as we heard from julia, her side of the argument. we have christopher, patricia and anthony. patricia, good morning to you. patricia and anthony. patricia, good morning to you-— morning to you. good morning. patricia in _ morning to you. good morning. patricia in east _ morning to you. good morning. patricia in east london, - morning to you. good morning. patricia in east london, we - morning to you. good morning. patricia in east london, we talkj morning to you. good morning. i patricia in east london, we talk at last. how do you feel about a pact?

the point i wanted to make is that where _ the point i wanted to make is that where you — the point i wanted to make is that where you have _ the point i wanted to make is that where you have more _ the point i wanted to make is that where you have more than - the point i wanted to make is that where you have more than two - where you have more than two parties. — where you have more than two parties. you _ where you have more than two parties. you are _ where you have more than two parties, you are going - where you have more than two parties, you are going to - where you have more than two i parties, you are going to probably -et parties, you are going to probably get people — parties, you are going to probably get people voting _ parties, you are going to probably get people voting and _ parties, you are going to probably get people voting and ending - parties, you are going to probably get people voting and ending up i parties, you are going to probably. get people voting and ending up with a hung _ get people voting and ending up with a hung parliament. _ get people voting and ending up with a hung parliament. we _ get people voting and ending up with a hung parliament. we vote - get people voting and ending up with a hung parliament. we vote on- get people voting and ending up with a hung parliament. we vote on a - a hung parliament. we vote on a manifesto — a hung parliament. we vote on a manifesto so _ a hung parliament. we vote on a manifesto so if _ a hung parliament. we vote on a manifesto so if i _ a hung parliament. we vote on a manifesto so if i like _ a hung parliament. we vote on a manifesto so if i like the - a hung parliament. we vote on a manifesto so if i like the labour| manifesto so if i like the labour manifesto — manifesto so if i like the labour manifesto or— manifesto so if i like the labour manifesto or the _ manifesto so if i like the labour manifesto or the conservative i manifesto or the conservative manifesto _ manifesto or the conservative manifesto that _ manifesto or the conservative manifesto that is _ manifesto or the conservative manifesto that is who - manifesto or the conservative manifesto that is who i - manifesto or the conservative manifesto that is who i vote i manifesto or the conservative . manifesto that is who i vote for. manifesto or the conservative - manifesto that is who i vote for. if when _ manifesto that is who i vote for. if when the — manifesto that is who i vote for. if when the british _ manifesto that is who i vote for. if when the british public— manifesto that is who i vote for. if when the british public have - manifesto that is who i vote for. if when the british public have had i when the british public have had their— when the british public have had their say— when the british public have had their say at— when the british public have had their say at the _ when the british public have had their say at the end _ when the british public have had their say at the end of _ when the british public have had their say at the end of that - when the british public have had| their say at the end of that there isn't _ their say at the end of that there isn't an— their say at the end of that there isn't an overall— their say at the end of that there isn't an overall majority, - their say at the end of that there i isn't an overall majority, whatever party _ isn't an overall majority, whatever party they— isn't an overall majority, whatever party they are _ isn't an overall majority, whatever party they are they _ isn't an overall majority, whatever party they are they have _ isn't an overall majority, whatever party they are they have to - isn't an overall majority, whatever party they are they have to sit - isn't an overall majority, whateveri party they are they have to sit down and negotiate. _ party they are they have to sit down and negotiate, which _ party they are they have to sit down and negotiate, which means- party they are they have to sit down and negotiate, which means that i party they are they have to sit down i and negotiate, which means that some of that— and negotiate, which means that some of that manifesto _ and negotiate, which means that some of that manifesto cannot _ and negotiate, which means that some of that manifesto cannot be _ of that manifesto cannot be delivered _ of that manifesto cannot be delivered because - of that manifesto cannot be delivered because they- of that manifesto cannot be | delivered because they have of that manifesto cannot be i delivered because they have to negotiate — delivered because they have to negotiate with _ delivered because they have to negotiate with another- delivered because they have to negotiate with another party. delivered because they have to negotiate with another party inj negotiate with another party in order— negotiate with another party in order to — negotiate with another party in order to function. _ negotiate with another party in order to function. and - negotiate with another party in order to function. and i- negotiate with another party in order to function. and i don't i negotiate with another party in - order to function. and i don't think putting _ order to function. and i don't think putting that — order to function. and i don't think putting that as _ order to function. and i don't think putting that as a _ order to function. and i don't think putting that as a possibility - order to function. and i don't think putting that as a possibility is - putting that as a possibility is realistic _ putting that as a possibility is realistic. it's— putting that as a possibility is realistic. it's like _ putting that as a possibility is realistic. it's like saying - putting that as a possibility is realistic. it's like saying this i putting that as a possibility isi realistic. it's like saying this is what _ realistic. it's like saying this is what you — realistic. it's like saying this is what you are _ realistic. it's like saying this is what you are going _ realistic. it's like saying this is what you are going to - realistic. it's like saying this is what you are going to end - realistic. it's like saying this is what you are going to end up. realistic. it's like saying this is- what you are going to end up which means— what you are going to end up which means you — what you are going to end up which means you don't _ what you are going to end up which means you don't know— what you are going to end up which means you don't know what - what you are going to end up which means you don't know what you . what you are going to end up which| means you don't know what you are voting _ means you don't know what you are voting for— means you don't know what you are voting for because _ means you don't know what you are voting for because you _ means you don't know what you are voting for because you don't - means you don't know what you are voting for because you don't know i

voting for because you don't know what _ voting for because you don't know what you — voting for because you don't know what you are _ voting for because you don't know what you are going _ voting for because you don't know what you are going to _ voting for because you don't know what you are going to end - voting for because you don't know what you are going to end up- voting for because you don't knowl what you are going to end up with. so we _ what you are going to end up with. so we vote — what you are going to end up with. so we vote on— what you are going to end up with. so we vote on a _ what you are going to end up with. so we vote on a manifesto - what you are going to end up with. so we vote on a manifesto and - what you are going to end up with. i so we vote on a manifesto and then we held _ so we vote on a manifesto and then we held them — so we vote on a manifesto and then we held them to _ so we vote on a manifesto and then we held them to account _ so we vote on a manifesto and then we held them to account if- so we vote on a manifesto and then we held them to account if they - we held them to account if they don't _ we held them to account if they don't perform _ we held them to account if they don't perform that _ we held them to account if they don't perform that manifesto. i we held them to account if they. don't perform that manifesto. as soon _ don't perform that manifesto. as soon as— don't perform that manifesto. as soon as there _ don't perform that manifesto. as soon as there is _ don't perform that manifesto. as soon as there is a _ don't perform that manifesto. as soon as there is a hung - don't perform that manifesto. as i soon as there is a hung parliament there _ soon as there is a hung parliament there has— soon as there is a hung parliament there has got— soon as there is a hung parliament there has got to _ soon as there is a hung parliament there has got to be _ soon as there is a hung parliament there has got to be negotiation. i there has got to be negotiation. thus— there has got to be negotiation. thus the — there has got to be negotiation. thus the first _ there has got to be negotiation. thus the first point. _ there has got to be negotiation. thus the first point. the - there has got to be negotiation. thus the first point. the secondj thus the first point. the second thing _ thus the first point. the second thing is — thus the first point. the second thing is this— thus the first point. the second thing is this going _ thus the first point. the second thing is this going back- thus the first point. the second thing is this going back into - thus the first point. the second i thing is this going back into europe thing _ thing is this going back into europe thing we — thing is this going back into europe thing we had _ thing is this going back into europe thing we had a— thing is this going back into europe thing. we had a deal— thing is this going back into europe thing. we had a deal where - thing is this going back into europe thing. we had a deal where we - thing is this going back into europe. thing. we had a deal where we were not politically— thing. we had a deal where we were not politically involved _ thing. we had a deal where we were not politically involved or— not politically involved or financially _ not politically involved or financially involved - not politically involved or financially involved with. not politically involved or- financially involved with europe. if we choose — financially involved with europe. if we choose by— financially involved with europe. if we choose by some _ financially involved with europe. if we choose by some stupid - financially involved with europe. if| we choose by some stupid mistake financially involved with europe. if. we choose by some stupid mistake to want to— we choose by some stupid mistake to want to go— we choose by some stupid mistake to want to go back— we choose by some stupid mistake to want to go back into _ we choose by some stupid mistake to want to go back into europe, - we choose by some stupid mistake to want to go back into europe, first- want to go back into europe, first they would — want to go back into europe, first they would have _ want to go back into europe, first they would have to _ want to go back into europe, first they would have to accept - want to go back into europe, first they would have to accept us. - want to go back into europe, first| they would have to accept us. but want to go back into europe, first- they would have to accept us. but we would _ they would have to accept us. but we would be _ they would have to accept us. but we would be fully— they would have to accept us. but we would be fully back _ they would have to accept us. but we would be fully back into _ they would have to accept us. but we would be fully back into europe - they would have to accept us. but we would be fully back into europe and i would be fully back into europe and i would be fully back into europe and i don't _ would be fully back into europe and idon't think— would be fully back into europe and i don't think there _ would be fully back into europe and i don't think there is _ would be fully back into europe and i don't think there is anybody - would be fully back into europe and i don't think there is anybody in - i don't think there is anybody in the uk — i don't think there is anybody in the uk there _ i don't think there is anybody in the uk there wants _ i don't think there is anybody in the uk there wants to - i don't think there is anybody in the uk there wants to be - i don't think there is anybody in - the uk there wants to be financially and politically— the uk there wants to be financially and politically bound _ the uk there wants to be financially and politically bound into _ the uk there wants to be financially and politically bound into europe, i and politically bound into europe, even _ and politically bound into europe, even remainers. _ and politically bound into europe, even remainers. so— and politically bound into europe, even remainers. so those - and politically bound into europe, even remainers. so those are - and politically bound into europe, even remainers. so those are my and politically bound into europe, - even remainers. so those are my two points _ even remainers. so those are my two oints. ~ ., ., , ., ., points. what does that mean financially — points. what does that mean financially and _ points. what does that mean financially and politically? i points. what does that mean | financially and politically? we points. what does that mean - financially and politically? we were not in a political _ financially and politically? we were not in a political union, _ financially and politically? we were not in a political union, we - financially and politically? we were not in a political union, we had - not in a political union, we had opted — not in a political union, we had opted out _ not in a political union, we had opted out of— not in a political union, we had opted out of most _ not in a political union, we had opted out of most of _ not in a political union, we had opted out of most of the - not in a political union, we had i opted out of most of the political clauses _ opted out of most of the political clauses of—

opted out of most of the political clauses of the _ opted out of most of the political clauses of the treaties _ opted out of most of the political clauses of the treaties and - clauses of the treaties and financially _ clauses of the treaties and financially will— clauses of the treaties and financially will keep - clauses of the treaties and financially will keep the i clauses of the treaties and - financially will keep the pound and didn't— financially will keep the pound and didn't go— financially will keep the pound and didn't go into _ financially will keep the pound and didn't go into the _ financially will keep the pound and didn't go into the euro. _ financially will keep the pound and didn't go into the euro. 50 - financially will keep the pound and didn't go into the euro.— financially will keep the pound and didn't go into the euro. so we would lose the opt — didn't go into the euro. so we would lose the opt outs. _ didn't go into the euro. so we would lose the opt outs. i'm _ didn't go into the euro. so we would lose the opt outs. i'm going - didn't go into the euro. so we would lose the opt outs. i'm going to - lose the opt outs. i'm going to bring in christopher in morpeth because i think this is something you feel strongly about. what would you feel strongly about. what would you say to patricia? good morning, christopher. you say to patricia? good morning, christopher-— christopher. good morning, nikki, can ou christopher. good morning, nikki, can you hear— christopher. good morning, nikki, can you hear me? _ christopher. good morning, nikki, can you hear me? you're - christopher. good morning, nikki, can you hear me? you're loud - christopher. good morning, nikki, can you hear me? you're loud and | can you hear me? you're loud and clear. morning _ can you hear me? you're loud and clear. morning to _ can you hear me? you're loud and clear. morning to a _ can you hear me? you're loud and clear. morning to a fellow- can you hear me? you're loud and clear. morning to a fellow scot - clear. morning to a fellow scot because i _ clear. morning to a fellow scot because i am _ clear. morning to a fellow scot because i am scottish - clear. morning to a fellow scot because i am scottish by - clear. morning to a fellow scot| because i am scottish by family tree. i because i am scottish by family tree. ., ., ., , tree. i thought i had a little bit in the accident. _ tree. i thought i had a little bit in the accident. it _ tree. i thought i had a little bit in the accident. it is _ tree. i thought i had a little bit in the accident. it is in - tree. i thought i had a little bit in the accident. it is in the - tree. i thought i had a little bit i in the accident. it is in the family tree, it is the who do they think they are? yella make the speaker before the last speaker you had on kind of wasn't talking to the actual subject fare kind of wasn't talking to the actual sub'e . . kind of wasn't talking to the actual sub'e. ., , , ., kind of wasn't talking to the actual sub'e. ., , .,, subject we are supposed to be debatina. subject we are supposed to be debating. she _ subject we are supposed to be debating. she was _ subject we are supposed to be debating. she was talking - subject we are supposed to be i debating. she was talking about trans rights. as it happens i agree with the point she is making but i don't want to go down that road. the question we have in front of us as

would a pact put you off? it wouldn't put me off as a liberal democrat but i would have to know, thatis democrat but i would have to know, that is a pact with the labour party, but i have to know the various conditions and caveats of such a pact before i entered into it. but the initial idea of a pact would not put me off. having said that, as a liberal and a liberal party member every political party actually plays to win. we wouldn't get a football manager going out prior to a match, going out onto the field of play and telling his team that we are just going to play for a draw. you know, manchester united would not be playing manchester city in the upcoming fa cup final playing for a draw, they play for a win. that is why it is tricky. politics is the art of compromise and you have to be open to any eventuality, i guess. have to be open to any eventuality, i ruess. ., ., ., , ., have to be open to any eventuality, | uuess. ., ., ., , .,, ., ., , i guess. you have to be open to any eventuality — i guess. you have to be open to any eventuality but _ i guess. you have to be open to any eventuality but you _ i guess. you have to be open to any eventuality but you don't _ i guess. you have to be open to any eventuality but you don't go -

i guess. you have to be open to any eventuality but you don't go into - i guess. you have to be open to any eventuality but you don't go into it | eventuality but you don't go into it to be second best. you don't go in for a draw, you go in to win. what do you think of sir ed davey and sir keir starmer both kind of ducking the question? ducking which particular question?- the question? ducking which particular question? would you go into coalition _ particular question? would you go into coalition with _ particular question? would you go into coalition with the _ particular question? would you go into coalition with the other - particular question? would you go into coalition with the other was i into coalition with the other was mike they would because it is a hypothetical question at the moment. you can't really answer the question which is a hypothesis based on circumstances which might arise in the future. 5ir circumstances which might arise in the future. ,, ,, ., the future. sir keir starmer said under no circumstances - the future. sir keir starmer said under no circumstances would i the future. sir keir starmer said l under no circumstances would he the future. sir keir starmer said - under no circumstances would he go into any kind of agreement with the snp and that was hypothetical question. yes, i heard him say that. i thought he answered very badly, actually. i should have answered both questions with either a strong yes we would, we would not go into a pact with any other party or we would not be averse to going into a pact with any other party. he sat on the fence and that didn't impress me

quite frankly. the fence and that didn't impress me quite frankly-— quite frankly. colin, that's interesting, _ quite frankly. colin, that's interesting, he _ quite frankly. colin, that's interesting, he sat - quite frankly. colin, that's interesting, he sat on - quite frankly. colin, that's interesting, he sat on the| quite frankly. colin, that's - interesting, he sat on the fence, but if you don't sit on the fence, if you go one side of the fence, colin talbot, it can come back to haunt you, can't it?— colin talbot, it can come back to haunt you, can't it? certainly, yes. i think haunt you, can't it? certainly, yes. i think we — haunt you, can't it? certainly, yes. i think we are _ haunt you, can't it? certainly, yes. i think we are probably _ haunt you, can't it? certainly, yes. i think we are probably moving - i think we are probably moving towards, ironically, more european style politics in the sense that coalitions are actually becoming more the order of the day. last week we had 230 english councils have elections and of those 92 councils are now no overall majority for any individual party. so about 40% of them. and that number is increasing. it went up by 12 last week. and i think that represents the sort of situation we have here in bedford where i live where we have roughly the numbers of lib dems, tories and labour councillors on the local council and the only way to run a

council and the only way to run a council in those circumstances is some sort of coalition. coalition politics is becoming more prevalent in the uk, as it is in most of europe. the difference here is because of the first—past—the—post system, we tend to swing huge numbers of seats on the basis of very small numbers of voters switching allegiance. borisjohnson got an 80 seat majority but he only actually increased the tory vote by about 2% at the last election and yet it swung to an 80 seat majority. as long as we have that at the national level we are more likely to get single party government. but it is entirely possible we will get coalitions as well. [10 is entirely possible we will get coalitions as well.— is entirely possible we will get coalitions as well. do you think the further away _ coalitions as well. do you think the further away we — coalitions as well. do you think the further away we get, _ coalitions as well. do you think the further away we get, a _ coalitions as well. do you think the further away we get, a very - coalitions as well. do you think the further away we get, a very quick i further away we get, a very quick answer on this, the further and further away we get from the liz truss thing and also borisjohnson my rishi sunak will do better in the

conservatives will gain? do you think that is a trajectory, or do you think they will continue to plummet and do badly in the polls? my plummet and do badly in the polls? my personal view is that it is the reverse. at the moment rishi sunak has got a boost by not being liz truss or borisjohnson but people will forget that fairly soon and start looking at what he is actually doing. i suspect at that point he's making a lot of promises he can't possibly deliver on before the next general election because they will take too long. general election because they will take too long-— general election because they will take too long. here are some text, i'm a lib take too long. here are some text, i'm a lib dem _ take too long. here are some text, i'm a lib dem support— take too long. here are some text, i'm a lib dem support and - take too long. here are some text, i'm a lib dem support and we - take too long. here are some text, i'm a lib dem support and we went with the conservatives and got hammered. why do we want to now go in with the devil? that is from alan. as a lifelong labour voter would go into a pact with the devil himself rather than wake up that after another general election to another five years of conservative government. seriously, ithink another five years of conservative government. seriously, i think a pact and progressive coalition between labour and the lib dems is really what the country needs to get us out of this mess. that is keith in formby. and this one, i think coalitions are a good thing, it

forces the hardliners to compromise and gives a more sensible approach. a lib dem tory coalition demonstrated that. the liberal loony left and the tory right and nutters were sidelined. centralist government, it works in germany. that is from michael. a more european approach, we just heard that from colin as well. mentions of the devil. dying with the devil, you must stop with a long spoon, as they say. and on in glasgow, jack in sheffield, hello, good morning. what do you reckon about facts from where you are? —— pacts no, pacts do not work. you are? -- pacts no, pacts do not work. ,, ., ., you are? -- pacts no, pacts do not work. ,, ., _, ., ., work. keir starmer coming out and sa in: he work. keir starmer coming out and saying he wouldn't _ work. keir starmer coming out and saying he wouldn't do _ work. keir starmer coming out and saying he wouldn't do a _ work. keir starmer coming out and saying he wouldn't do a deal- work. keir starmer coming out and saying he wouldn't do a deal with i saying he wouldn't do a deal with the snp, that's basically hypocritical of a labour leader. and all we have to look at is the conservatives and lib dems packed

years ago simply didn't work. and really the people in scotland don't really the people in scotland don't really get to say in anything that happened down south or in government and their voices don't get heard. what about if the snp were to say no indyref no support. that's got to be a red line for keir starmer, hasn't it? yes. it a red line for keir starmer, hasn't it? yes. , �* ., it? yes. it is. but without the --eole it? yes. it is. but without the people of— it? yes. it is. but without the people of scotland _ it? yes. it is. but without the people of scotland actually i it? yes. it is. but without the - people of scotland actually voting labour they are going to have a hung parliament. �* , ., . ., . ,, ., parliament. let's go with jack, what do ou parliament. let's go with jack, what do you think — parliament. let's go with jack, what do you think about _ parliament. let's go with jack, what do you think about a _ parliament. let's go with jack, what do you think about a pact, - parliament. let's go with jack, what do you think about a pact, the - do you think about a pact, the possibility of it?— possibility of it? hello. the possibility _ possibility of it? hello. the possibility of _ possibility of it? hello. the possibility of a _ possibility of it? hello. the possibility of a pact? - possibility of it? hello. the possibility of a pact? a - possibility of it? hello. the | possibility of a pact? a little act, possibility of a pact? a little pact, coalition. _ possibility of a pact? a little pact, coalition. i— possibility of a pact? a little pact, coalition. ithink- possibility of a pact? a little pact, coalition. ithink it- possibility of a pact? a little pact, coalition. ithink it is. pact, coalition. i think it is difficult to _ pact, coalition. i think it is difficult to imagine - pact, coalition. i think it is

difficult to imagine that i pact, coalition. i think it is difficult to imagine that so pact, coalition. ithink it is. difficult to imagine that so far away— difficult to imagine that so far away from an election. my concern about— away from an election. my concern about these conversations are whether — about these conversations are whether they are helpful at this time, _ whether they are helpful at this time, simply because as a previous caller— time, simply because as a previous caller said — time, simply because as a previous caller said all parties will be going — caller said all parties will be going for an overall majority, so do we not _ going for an overall majority, so do we not feel— going for an overall majority, so do we not feel that having these conversations right now when fundamentally most people's mentality seems to be anything but conservative, if it is helpful to even — conservative, if it is helpful to even talk _ conservative, if it is helpful to even talk about these coalitions beforehand. i remember coalitions with the _ beforehand. i remember coalitions with the conservative that the lib dems— with the conservative that the lib dems got— with the conservative that the lib dems got into and i was part of the student— dems got into and i was part of the student protests against nick clegg once upon a time. and whether you agree _ once upon a time. and whether you agree with — once upon a time. and whether you agree with the burning of effigies of nick— agree with the burning of effigies of nick clegg which i saw which i thought— of nick clegg which i saw which i thought were a bit extreme at the time, _ thought were a bit extreme at the time, i_ thought were a bit extreme at the time, i do — thought were a bit extreme at the time, i do wonder if that has tarred the idea _ time, i do wonder if that has tarred the idea of— time, i do wonder if that has tarred the idea of those kind of pacts coming — the idea of those kind of pacts coming around again. for my generation it is a concern, it is concerning _ generation it is a concern, it is concerning to even imagine what that

might— concerning to even imagine what that might look— concerning to even imagine what that might look like. but maybe i am overthinking it. maybe we should 'ust overthinking it. maybe we should just wait— overthinking it. maybe we should just wait to see what comes to pass as opposed — just wait to see what comes to pass as opposed to worrying about it right— as opposed to worrying about it right now _ as opposed to worrying about it right now. | as opposed to worrying about it riaht now. ., , , ., ., right now. i get that but you have to look at all— right now. i get that but you have to look at all possibilities. - right now. i get that but you have to look at all possibilities. let's i to look at all possibilities. let's throw that one back to colin, colin talbot. they are looking at a kind of pincer movement, aren't they, the lib dems? the lib dems looking at the blue wool, labour looking at the red wall. —— the blue wall. colin, are you there? red wall. -- the blue wall. colin, are you there?— red wall. -- the blue wall. colin, | are you there?— it are you there? sorry, i'm here. it is a pincer— are you there? sorry, i'm here. it is a pincer movement, _ are you there? sorry, i'm here. it is a pincer movement, the - are you there? sorry, i'm here. it is a pincer movement, the lib i are you there? sorry, i'm here. it. is a pincer movement, the lib dems going for the blue wall and labour going for the blue wall and labour going for the red wall. yes but that in england only. i going for the red wall. yes but that in england only-— in england only. i think that's important- — in england only. i think that's important- i— in england only. i think that's important. i think _ in england only. i think that's important. i think the - in england only. i think that's important. i think the lib i in england only. i think that's l important. i think the lib dems could pick up a significant number of mps in so—called blue wall areas and labour —like wall del michael

wise in the red wall areas. —— and labour likewise in the red wall areas. at the moment on the basis of the polls it looks like labour could pick up a number of seats in scotland. i would say one thing about this whole referendum thing. i wonder whether or not the snp would be demanding a referendum at the moment. given the crisis they are in and looking at the polls, and most of the sensible people at the top of the snp have said there's no point in having a referendum unless we have a decisive lead in the polls. they haven't. it is still roughly 50-50 in they haven't. it is still roughly 50—50 in favour of the union. to go for a referendum at the moment and lose it means they really would have to wait a generation before they had another crack at it.— another crack at it. interesting. the situation, _ another crack at it. interesting. the situation, it _ another crack at it. interesting. the situation, it is _ another crack at it. interesting. the situation, it is the - another crack at it. interesting. the situation, it is the great i the situation, it is the great imponderable at the moment, scotland, isn't it?— imponderable at the moment, scotland, isn't it? yes. and there are so many _ scotland, isn't it? yes. and there are so many variables _

scotland, isn't it? yes. and there are so many variables in - scotland, isn't it? yes. and there are so many variables in scotland j are so many variables in scotland because you have a four way electoral result will stop just as an aside, in 1992 during the election we had the funniest electoral result in any constituency where all four candidates for the snp, labour, tories and the lib dems gotjust about 25% snp, labour, tories and the lib dems got just about 25% of the vote and the person who got elected got very slightly more than a quarter of the vote. that is the biggest split we have ever had any constituency in the uk. and in a sense that is symbolic of scottish politics. it is extremely volatile and it could go in all source of different directions and a general election. well, thank you very much indeed, colin, for your thoughts this morning. if you were a betting man what would you say about the possibility of the next government being a coalition? i possibility of the next government being a coalition?— being a coalition? i don't bet but i would suspect _ being a coalition? i don't bet but i would suspect not. _ being a coalition? i don't bet but i would suspect not. it _ being a coalition? i don't bet but i would suspect not. it is _ being a coalition? i don't bet but i would suspect not. it is a - would suspect not. it is a hypothetical. _ would suspect not. it is a hypothetical. everythingl would suspect not. it is a i hypothetical. everything about would suspect not. it is a - hypothetical. everything about the future is hypothetical. _

hypothetical. everything about the future is hypothetical. i _ hypothetical. everything about the future is hypothetical. i suspect i hypothetical. everything about the| future is hypothetical. i suspect we are heading towards a majority labour government. i think the people who are extrapolating from these local council elections in england only... these local council elections in england only. . ._ these local council elections in england only... these local council elections in enalandonl... ., , . england only... thank you very much indeed, professor. _ what do you want to ask the mps? prime minister's questions is on the way at 12.00 which means that it's now your turn to put your questions to our mps. i'll be joined by bob seely — the conservative mp for the isle of wight. labour's james murray — mp for ealing north and shadow financial secretary. and richard thomson — the snp mp for gordon and their westminster spokesman on international trade, northern ireland and wales. call 08085 909 693, text 85058. that

is the next hour for you. let's hear the news headlines. donald trump's legal team says he plans to appeal against a court who found him liable for sexually assaulting women and defending himself by calling a liar. the former us president attacked her allegedly in the department store in the 1990s. the duke of sussex begins a seven—week trial against mirror group newspapers this morning. prince harry argue executives for the company knew about widespread phone hacking and failed to act. the

archbishop of canterbury is expected to criticise the government's illegal migration bill in a rare intervention in the house of lords today. he will argue against the legislation which aims to detain and deport people who arrive in the uk in small boats. the home secretary has urged peers to back the bill. in a major incident in somerset, heavy rainfall has caused flash floods. environment agency says some homes have been evacuated and there is a chance of further flooding. let's do this with their mps, whatever you want to ask, get your question in. tell us your name and where you are from. we have got james murray, mp for ealing north and shadow financial secretary to

the treasury. good morning. can i see you two— see you two probably in a minute. interestingly. _ see you two probably in a minute. interestingly, you _ see you two probably in a minute. interestingly, you were _ see you two probably in a minute. interestingly, you were cited - see you two probably in a minute. interestingly, you were cited in i see you two probably in a minute. interestingly, you were cited in a| interestingly, you were cited in a study on toxic tweets to mps when you received more than 301 single day when you spoke about transgender rights in a radio interview. it is such a toxic issue, isn't it? we had a woman on earlier on who called us about the possibility of coalition and was talking about safe spaces for women, very passionate on that side of the argument. what was it like getting a deluge two the side of the argument. what was it like getting a deluge two- like getting a deluge two the way that study was — like getting a deluge two the way that study was conducted - like getting a deluge two the way that study was conducted looked | like getting a deluge two the way l that study was conducted looked at like getting a deluge two the way - that study was conducted looked at a particular week of tweets and because i am average, i don't tweet a huge amount, the level of tweets i got on that particular week spiked

proportionately. it came out quite high in the ratings. what it said to me is that it is a sensitive topic which is best dealt with in a calm way. and tweets wind it up and make it harder to find a common ground. was it about a certain interview that you did?— was it about a certain interview that you did? without going into detail, the questions _ that you did? without going into detail, the questions were - detail, the questions were provocatively phrased with a view to clipping it and putting it out there on social media and i think it is an example of when you have sensitive carefully balanced difficult discussions, actually having them provocative questions on social media, that is not the best way to have those conversations. you can relax, we would _ have those conversations. you can relax, we would never— have those conversations. you can relax, we would never do - have those conversations. you can relax, we would never do that - have those conversations. you can relax, we would never do that in i relax, we would never do that in this organisation. you can trust us. bob sealey, mp for the isle of

wight, welcome back, how are you this morning?— wight, welcome back, how are you this morning? good morning, good mornin: this morning? good morning, good morning to — this morning? good morning, good morning to your— this morning? good morning, good morning to your viewers, _ this morning? good morning, good morning to your viewers, i - this morning? good morning, good morning to your viewers, i am - this morning? good morning, good morning to your viewers, i am very j morning to your viewers, i am very well thank— morning to your viewers, i am very well thank you.— well thank you. you backed penny mordaunt at— well thank you. you backed penny mordaunt at some _ well thank you. you backed penny mordaunt at some stage - well thank you. you backed penny mordaunt at some stage in - well thank you. you backed penny mordaunt at some stage in the . mordaunt at some stage in the leadership election, do you think she has burnished her credentials as a future leader after her, many of people said she cut an impressive figure, an impressive performance, she looked every inch the prime minister. ,, ., , ., she looked every inch the prime minister. ,, ., . ., minister. she was half boadicea, have a greek _ minister. she was half boadicea, have a greek goddess. _ minister. she was half boadicea, have a greek goddess. rishi - minister. she was half boadicea, l have a greek goddess. rishi sunak will lead _ have a greek goddess. rishi sunak will lead us — have a greek goddess. rishi sunak will lead us into the next election and we _ will lead us into the next election and we can— will lead us into the next election and we can turn things and... pain he will— and we can turn things and... pain he will he — and we can turn things and... pain he will he a — and we can turn things and... pain he will be a great of the team. if rishi _ he will be a great of the team. if rishi sunak does not win the next election. — rishi sunak does not win the next election. it— rishi sunak does not win the next election, it is up to him what he wants_ election, it is up to him what he wants to — election, it is up to him what he wants to do, he is doing a fantastic 'ob wants to do, he is doing a fantastic job and _ wants to do, he is doing a fantastic job and i_ wants to do, he is doing a fantastic job and i am — wants to do, he is doing a fantastic job and i am delighted to support hinm _ job and i am delighted to support him. . ., ., ,., ., job and i am delighted to support him. . ., ., ., , him. richard thomson, we have been talkin:

him. richard thomson, we have been talking about — him. richard thomson, we have been talking about the _ him. richard thomson, we have been talking about the english _ him. richard thomson, we have been talking about the english elections, i talking about the english elections, english politicians, it is nice to have someone from the snp back on. how are things in your party at the moment? ., .., how are things in your party at the moment? ., .. ., how are things in your party at the moment? ., ., , , , moment? you can read the newspapers as well as i can- — moment? you can read the newspapers as well as i can. humza _ moment? you can read the newspapers as well as i can. humza yousaf- moment? you can read the newspapers as well as i can. humza yousaf is - as well as i can. humza yousaf is getting _ as well as i can. humza yousaf is getting a — as well as i can. humza yousaf is getting a grip _ as well as i can. humza yousaf is getting a grip of— as well as i can. humza yousaf is getting a grip of the _ as well as i can. humza yousaf is getting a grip of the problematicl getting a grip of the problematic issues _ getting a grip of the problematic issues he — getting a grip of the problematic issues he inherited, _ getting a grip of the problematic issues he inherited, and - getting a grip of the problematic issues he inherited, and we - getting a grip of the problematic issues he inherited, and we are| issues he inherited, and we are doing _ issues he inherited, and we are doing that _ issues he inherited, and we are doing that as _ issues he inherited, and we are doing that as a _ issues he inherited, and we are doing that as a group _ issues he inherited, and we are doing that as a group at - issues he inherited, and we are doing that as a group at with i issues he inherited, and we are. doing that as a group at with and start— doing that as a group at with and start too— doing that as a group at with and start too it— doing that as a group at with and start tor ., , , doing that as a group at with and start to. .,, , ., doing that as a group at with and start to— it i doing that as a group at with and start to— it isi start too it has been tough. it is not the inheritance _ start too it has been tough. it is not the inheritance knew - start too it has been tough. it is not the inheritance knew he i start too it has been tough. it is i not the inheritance knew he would have wanted — not the inheritance knew he would have wanted but _ not the inheritance knew he would have wanted but you _ not the inheritance knew he would have wanted but you do _ not the inheritance knew he would have wanted but you do with - have wanted but you do with what ism _ have wanted but you do with what ism we _ have wanted but you do with what ism we are — have wanted but you do with what is... we are getting _ have wanted but you do with what is... we are getting back- have wanted but you do with what is... we are getting back to- have wanted but you do with what is... we are getting back to talk. is... we are getting back to talk about— is... we are getting back to talk about what— is... we are getting back to talk about what people _ is... we are getting back to talk about what people want - is... we are getting back to talk about what people want to i is... we are getting back to talk about what people want to talkl about what people want to talk about — about what people want to talk about. ., ., ~' �* about what people want to talk about. ., ., ~' ~ ., about. you worked with alex salmond, ou are a about. you worked with alex salmond, you are a parliamentary _ about. you worked with alex salmond, you are a parliamentary assistant i about. you worked with alex salmond, you are a parliamentary assistant in i you are a parliamentary assistant in 2008 to 2011. he is calling for an independent convention with all the pro—independence parties. his party included. the green party, the snp. is that something you would support? yes, i am all about talking amongst

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is higher. we have been given ample with the way that brexit is turning i with the way that brexit is turning out with— with the way that brexit is turning out with the — with the way that brexit is turning out with the uninspiring _ with the way that brexit is turning i out with the uninspiring prospectus, sorry. _ out with the uninspiring prospectus, sorry. james. — out with the uninspiring prospectus, sorry. james. that _ out with the uninspiring prospectus, sorry, james, that keir— out with the uninspiring prospectus, sorry, james, that keir starmer- out with the uninspiring prospectus, sorry, james, that keir starmer is i sorry, james, that keir starmer is offering _ sorry, james, that keir starmer is offering from _ sorry, james, that keir starmer is offering from the _ sorry, james, that keir starmer is offering from the labour- sorry, james, that keir starmer is offering from the labour party. i offering from the labour party. there _ offering from the labour party. there is — offering from the labour party. there is no _ offering from the labour party. there is no permit _ offering from the labour party. there is no permit —— - offering from the labour party. there is no permit —— my- there is no permit —— my opportunity to move _ there is no permit —— my opportunity to move those — there is no permit —— my opportunity to move those figures. _ there is no permit —— my opportunity to move those figures. fire _ there is no permit -- my opportunity to move those figures.— to move those figures. are you still close to alex _ to move those figures. are you still close to alex salmond _ to move those figures. are you still close to alex salmond a _ to move those figures. are you still close to alex salmond a few i to move those figures. are you still close to alex salmond a few the i to move those figures. are you still| close to alex salmond a few the last time i saw him _ close to alex salmond a few the last time i saw him was _ close to alex salmond a few the last time i saw him was at _ close to alex salmond a few the last time i saw him was at the _ close to alex salmond a few the last time i saw him was at the funeral. i | time i saw him was at the funeral. i am not _ time i saw him was at the funeral. i am not in— time i saw him was at the funeral. i am not in regular— time i saw him was at the funeral. i am not in regular contact— time i saw him was at the funeral. i am not in regular contact with i time i saw him was at the funeral. i am not in regular contact with him. | am not in regular contact with him. lets talk— am not in regular contact with him. lets talk to — am not in regular contact with him. lets talk to a — am not in regular contact with him. lets talk to a labour _ am not in regular contact with him. lets talk to a labour supporter i am not in regular contact with him. lets talk to a labour supporter in i lets talk to a labour supporter in birmingham, talking about the possibility of a coalition following interviews with keir starmer and a ed davey. we have got a tory, the labour party, the snp, what do you think of the possibility and welcome!— think of the possibility and welcome! ,., ., ., , think of the possibility and welcome! ., , , ., welcome! good morning. this is a . uestion welcome! good morning. this is a question directed _ welcome! good morning. this is a question directed towards i welcome! good morning. this is a question directed towards james, | welcome! good morning. this is a l question directed towards james, it might be unfair, given he is shadow front bench, we have had the ruling

out of any form of pact or arrangement with the lib dems after the election, a ed davey showing political like as well over the past few days. is it time for labour to look at the bigger picture? the tories need to go and all means necessary politically speaking should be employed. should labour come out and say, yes, we want to form a government ideally ourselves, but failing that, we would be happy to work with the lib dems because they are sensible and there is not much paper between them on a lot of issues. ? are they not saying that between it between the lines, there are a lot of people out there who are not engaged with the political process, people have been disillusioned over the past 13 years, who would appreciate some honesty and

directness to say, look, rather than coded whispers, be upfront. 0f coded whispers, be upfront. of course, we would ideally like a labour majority and all the rest of it but failing that, if it comes down to a situation where labour is the biggest party and there is a substantial chunk of the lib dems, we would be happy to work each other because the bigger picture is keeping the tories out and using the progressive alliance to make some positive change in the country. counterintuitively, i'm going to throw that to bob seely. what do you think? , . ., throw that to bob seely. what do you think? , .. ., ., , throw that to bob seely. what do you think? , ., ., , ., think? they can do what they want, we have got — think? they can do what they want, we have got great _ think? they can do what they want, we have got great leadership, i think? they can do what they want, we have got great leadership, we i we have got great leadership, we will be _ we have got great leadership, we will be back to governing, we have a great _ will be back to governing, we have a great prospectus for the british people — great prospectus for the british people. if they want to spend their time horse — people. if they want to spend their time horse trading over policy, i personally— time horse trading over policy, i personally think people will see that is— personally think people will see that is eternal. the wider problem for keir— that is eternal. the wider problem for keir starmerand that is eternal. the wider problem for keir starmer and the labour party— for keir starmer and the labour party is— for keir starmer and the labour party is nobody knows what they stand _ party is nobody knows what they stand for~ — party is nobody knows what they stand for. if you look at keir starmer— stand for. if you look at keir starmer in _ stand for. if you look at keir starmer in the last two years, he

was in _ starmer in the last two years, he was in favour of making the case, now he _ was in favour of making the case, now he is— was in favour of making the case, now he is not so sure, he wanted to nationalise — now he is not so sure, he wanted to nationalise utilities, he's not sure now. _ nationalise utilities, he's not sure now. he _ nationalise utilities, he's not sure now, he said extinction rebellion was good — now, he said extinction rebellion was good and that is not sure, he stood _ was good and that is not sure, he stood only— was good and that is not sure, he stood only picket line with mcdonnell strikers and now says you shouldn't _ mcdonnell strikers and now says you shouldn't. he thinks women can have a venus— shouldn't. he thinks women can have a venus and — shouldn't. he thinks women can have a venus and now he's not sure. he wanted _ a venus and now he's not sure. he wanted tuition she sees scrap, and when _ wanted tuition she sees scrap, and when we _ wanted tuition she sees scrap, and when we bought changes to doctors pensions _ when we bought changes to doctors pensions to keep more doctors in the nhs he _ pensions to keep more doctors in the nhs he was _ pensions to keep more doctors in the nhs he was in favour and now he's against _ nhs he was in favour and now he's against it— nhs he was in favour and now he's against it and now we find out he has his— against it and now we find out he has his own — against it and now we find out he has his own one—man law for pensions _ has his own one—man law for pensions. he does more flip—flops, he has _ pensions. he does more flip—flops, he has more — pensions. he does more flip—flops, he has more flip—flops than a beach hut. he has more flip—flops than a beach but the _ he has more flip—flops than a beach hut. the people in britain are going to ask— hut. the people in britain are going to ask themselves what he stands for and i'm _ to ask themselves what he stands for and i'm not— to ask themselves what he stands for and i'm not sure he stands for anything _ and i'm not sure he stands for anything. gn and i'm not sure he stands for an hina. and i'm not sure he stands for anything-— and i'm not sure he stands for an hina. , ,, ., anything. on the doorsteps on swindon last _ anything. on the doorsteps on swindon last thursday, i- anything. on the doorsteps on swindon last thursday, i was l anything. on the doorsteps on i swindon last thursday, i was helping out in the council elections, people were fed up with the conservatives.

the phrase came back, they have had 13 years, what have we got to show for it? they are not doing anything on the cost of living, they are not addressing the issues we want to be addressed. there is anger at the conservatives and there is openness to labour. they were looking at us, listening to us and putting their trust in us at the elections last week. what what i think from last week's results, not a drop of complacency, there is a lot of work to do over the next year until the next general election, but we are making progress towards the majority labour government. it was a very strong set of real results where we won in swindon, and we also won and lots of other parts of the country. why did the lib dems do so well? there are some areas where the lib dems were historically strong and

they were fighting the conservatives there as well. there are different dynamics in different parts of the country. what was significant for me about the results was that in the labour party, we did well and lots of different parts of the country, not only piling up votes in areas where we are already strong. earning the trust of places where we have not had a council are made significant advances in many years. do you want to ask the coalition question? do you want to ask the coalition ruestion? . . . do you want to ask the coalition ruestion? . , ~ ., do you want to ask the coalition ruestion? . , ,, ., , ., question? james, we know there is a de . ree question? james, we know there is a decree of question? james, we know there is a degree of agreement _ question? james, we know there is a degree of agreement between i question? james, we know there is a degree of agreement between keir i degree of agreement between keir starmer. _ degree of agreement between keir starmer, and a ed davey, it seems as if they— starmer, and a ed davey, it seems as if they are _ starmer, and a ed davey, it seems as if they are politically zero miles apart. — if they are politically zero miles apart, why not formalise it and talk about _ apart, why not formalise it and talk about forming a pact are looking at post—election arrangements for a coalition— post—election arrangements for a coalition should the arithmetic work-out_ coalition should the arithmetic work—out after the next election?

would _ work—out after the next election? would you — work—out after the next election? would you take two i work-out after the next election? would you take two— would you take two i think it's presumptuous _ would you take two i think it's presumptuous to _ would you take two i think it's presumptuous to start i would you take two i think it's presumptuous to start talking | would you take two i think it's - presumptuous to start talking about what happens the other side of an election. it is up to voters to decide what happens in an election. they are the ones who decide who they are going to vote for. it is up to us to campaign every single day for that majority labour government, i now feel we are on course for that, but there is a lot of work to do over the next year to make it come true. d0 do over the next year to make it come true-— do over the next year to make it come true. ,, ., ., _, . ~ come true. do you want to come back on that, alex? _ come true. do you want to come back on that, alex? isn't _ come true. do you want to come back on that, alex? isn't there _ come true. do you want to come back on that, alex? isn't there a _ come true. do you want to come back on that, alex? isn't there a danger. on that, alex? isn't there a danger ou are on that, alex? isn't there a danger you are going _ on that, alex? isn't there a danger you are going to — on that, alex? isn't there a danger you are going to full _ on that, alex? isn't there a danger you are going to full into _ on that, alex? isn't there a danger you are going to full into what - you are going to full into what happened to it miliband in 2015, trying _ happened to it miliband in 2015, trying to— happened to it miliband in 2015, trying to sneak over the line, is 35% _ trying to sneak over the line, is 35% strategy. is it not better to come _ 35% strategy. is it not better to come out — 35% strategy. is it not better to come out and be honest with people and the _ come out and be honest with people and the reality is if you combine the labour_ and the reality is if you combine the labour and and the reality is if you combine the labourand lib dem

and the reality is if you combine the labour and lib dem votes, after the labour and lib dem votes, after the next _ the labour and lib dem votes, after the next election, it will be more than _ the next election, it will be more than hatt— the next election, it will be more than half the voting electorate, therefore depending on how it lands, therefore depending on how it lands, there is_ therefore depending on how it lands, there is going to be some form of post—election agreement, even call it a pact, _ post—election agreement, even call it a pact, collation, whatever, but to be _ it a pact, collation, whatever, but to be honest because of the state of the nation _ to be honest because of the state of the nation and because of what the tories _ the nation and because of what the tories have — the nation and because of what the tories have done to the country, to be upfront— tories have done to the country, to be upfront with people ahead of the thln- be upfront with people ahead of the thing and _ be upfront with people ahead of the thing and say this is our intention. this is_ thing and say this is our intention. this is our— thing and say this is our intention. this is our guarantee to the public of what _ this is our guarantee to the public of what we — this is our guarantee to the public of what we are going to do. be open. if i of what we are going to do. be open. if t can _ of what we are going to do. be open. if i can respond to that, we are being absolutely clear about our intention which is to win a majority labour government. if you look at our progress since 2019, 2019, terrible result for the labour party, saying there is no way we could win government by the end of parliament that we were just beginning. we are on course for a majority labour government. the progress we have made in the last

two years has been enormous under keir starmer and we have another year to the next general election. we think we are making strong progress towards a majority labour government. there were not elections in scotland, lets see what happens they are which might add to our potentially... they are which might add to our potentially- - -— potentially... start right there. hello, potentially... start right there. hello. john. — potentially... start right there. hello, john, what _ potentially... start right there. hello, john, what is _ potentially... start right there. hello, john, what is going - potentially... start right there. hello, john, what is going to l potentially... start right there. - hello, john, what is going to happen in scotland a few it is the great imponderable. good morning, john. yes, you have pre—empted what i was going _ yes, you have pre—empted what i was going to _ yes, you have pre—empted what i was going to ask — yes, you have pre—empted what i was going to ask i— yes, you have pre—empted what i was going to ask. i would _ yes, you have pre—empted what i was going to ask. i would like _ yes, you have pre—empted what i was going to ask. i would like to ask - going to ask. i would like to ask richard, — going to ask. i would like to ask richard, we _ going to ask. i would like to ask richard, we have _ going to ask. i would like to ask richard, we have seen- going to ask. i would like to ask richard, we have seen a - going to ask. i would like to ask - richard, we have seen a resurgence of labour— richard, we have seen a resurgence of labourand — richard, we have seen a resurgence of labour and recent— richard, we have seen a resurgence of labour and recent polling - richard, we have seen a resurgence of labour and recent polling looked| of labour and recent polling looked to be _ of labour and recent polling looked to be possibly— of labour and recent polling looked to be possibly doing _ of labour and recent polling looked to be possibly doing well— of labour and recent polling looked to be possibly doing well in - to be possibly doing well in scotland _ to be possibly doing well in scotland in _ to be possibly doing well in scotland in the _ to be possibly doing well in scotland in the next - to be possibly doing well inl scotland in the next general election. _ scotland in the next general election. my— scotland in the next general election, my question - scotland in the next general election, my question is - scotland in the next general. election, my question is what scotland in the next general- election, my question is what needs to be _ election, my question is what needs to be done _ election, my question is what needs to be done by— election, my question is what needs to be done by the _ election, my question is what needs to be done by the snp— election, my question is what needs to be done by the snp to _ election, my question is what needs to be done by the snp to retain- election, my question is what needsl to be done by the snp to retain what they have _ to be done by the snp to retain what they have and — to be done by the snp to retain what they have and what _ to be done by the snp to retain what they have and what is _ to be done by the snp to retain what they have and what is the _ to be done by the snp to retain what they have and what is the message l to be done by the snp to retain whatl they have and what is the message to put they have and what is the message to out across? _ they have and what is the message to out across? 7 —

they have and what is the message to out across? ?— put across? ? what do you think? what has been _ put across? ? what do you think? what has been highlighted - put across? ? what do you think? i what has been highlighted already, important _ what has been highlighted already, important to — what has been highlighted already, important to scottish _ what has been highlighted already, important to scottish voters, - what has been highlighted already, important to scottish voters, it - what has been highlighted already, important to scottish voters, it is l important to scottish voters, it is very hard — important to scottish voters, it is very hard to _ important to scottish voters, it is very hard to tell— important to scottish voters, it is very hard to tell what _ very hard to tell what differentiates - very hard to tell what differentiates labour| very hard to tell what - differentiates labour from the conservative _ differentiates labour from the conservative party _ differentiates labour from the conservative party on - differentiates labour from the conservative party on many. differentiates labour from the - conservative party on many issues. at this _ conservative party on many issues. at this nronrent, _ conservative party on many issues. at this moment, we _ conservative party on many issues. at this moment, we need - conservative party on many issues. at this moment, we need a - conservative party on many issues. i at this moment, we need a clear—cut line at this moment, we need a clear—cut tine from _ at this moment, we need a clear—cut tine from the — at this moment, we need a clear—cut line from the snp— at this moment, we need a clear—cut line from the snp saying _ at this moment, we need a clear—cut line from the snp saying we - at this moment, we need a clear—cut line from the snp saying we do - at this moment, we need a clear—cut line from the snp saying we do not l line from the snp saying we do not stand _ line from the snp saying we do not stand for— line from the snp saying we do not stand for this _ line from the snp saying we do not stand for this. that _ line from the snp saying we do not stand for this. that for _ line from the snp saying we do not stand for this. that for me - line from the snp saying we do not stand for this. that for me would . line from the snp saying we do noti stand for this. that for me would be the deciding — stand for this. that for me would be the deciding quality. _ stand for this. that for me would be the deciding quality. i— stand for this. that for me would be the deciding quality. i live _ stand for this. that for me would be the deciding quality. i live in- stand for this. that for me would be the deciding quality. i live in a - the deciding quality. i live in a seat _ the deciding quality. i live in a seat where _ the deciding quality. i live in a seat where there _ the deciding quality. i live in a seat where there is _ the deciding quality. i live in a seat where there is a - the deciding quality. i live in a seat where there is a possible j the deciding quality. i live in a - seat where there is a possible shift to labour— seat where there is a possible shift to labour because _ seat where there is a possible shift to labour because of— seat where there is a possible shift to labour because of history, - seat where there is a possible shift to labour because of history, i- seat where there is a possible shift to labour because of history, i aml to labour because of history, i am interested — to labour because of history, i am interested to _ to labour because of history, i am interested to know— to labour because of history, i am interested to know what _ to labour because of history, i am interested to know what the - to labour because of history, i aml interested to know what the official line interested to know what the official tine is _ interested to know what the official tine is in _ interested to know what the official line is. ., interested to know what the official line is. . ., , , . , ., line is. in what aspects and olicies line is. in what aspects and policies do _ line is. in what aspects and policies do keir _ line is. in what aspects and policies do keir starmer . line is. in what aspects and | policies do keir starmer and line is. in what aspects and - policies do keir starmer and rishi sunak have in common? the most recent, sunak have in common? the most recent. not _ sunak have in common? the most recent, not wanting _ sunak have in common? the most recent, not wanting to _ sunak have in common? the most recent, not wanting to repeal - sunak have in common? the most recent, not wanting to repeal the l recent, not wanting to repeal the public— recent, not wanting to repeal the public order— recent, not wanting to repeal the public order act, _ recent, not wanting to repeal the public order act, it's _ recent, not wanting to repeal the public order act, it's a _ recent, not wanting to repeal the public order act, it's a horrible i public order act, it's a horrible act, _ public order act, it's a horrible act, limited _ public order act, it's a horrible act, limited freedom - public order act, it's a horrible act, limited freedom of- public order act, it's a horrible - act, limited freedom of expression, of assembly, — act, limited freedom of expression, of assembly, we _ act, limited freedom of expression, of assembly, we have _ act, limited freedom of expression, of assembly, we have seen - act, limited freedom of expression, of assembly, we have seen a - act, limited freedom of expression, of assembly, we have seen a race l act, limited freedom of expression, | of assembly, we have seen a race at the coronation — of assembly, we have seen a race at the coronation for—

of assembly, we have seen a race at the coronation for trivial— of assembly, we have seen a race at the coronation for trivial reasons, i the coronation for trivial reasons, no doubt — the coronation for trivial reasons, no doubt they'tt _ the coronation for trivial reasons, no doubt they'll end _ the coronation for trivial reasons, no doubt they'll end up _ the coronation for trivial reasons, no doubt they'll end up to - the coronation for trivial reasons, no doubt they'll end up to going l the coronation for trivial reasons, | no doubt they'll end up to going to court _ no doubt they'll end up to going to court it's— no doubt they'll end up to going to court it's an— no doubt they'll end up to going to court. it's an authoritarian - no doubt they'll end up to going to court. it's an authoritarian act - court. it's an authoritarian act that— court. it's an authoritarian act that has— court. it's an authoritarian act that has passed _ court. it's an authoritarian act that has passed through- court. it's an authoritarian act that has passed through the l that has passed through the conservatives— that has passed through the conservatives and _ that has passed through the conservatives and one - that has passed through the conservatives and one of. that has passed through the| conservatives and one of the that has passed through the - conservatives and one of the labour politicians _ conservatives and one of the labour politicians was — conservatives and one of the labour politicians was quoted _ conservatives and one of the labour politicians was quoted as _ conservatives and one of the labour politicians was quoted as saying - conservatives and one of the labour politicians was quoted as saying we i politicians was quoted as saying we cannot _ politicians was quoted as saying we cannot unpick— politicians was quoted as saying we cannot unpick all— politicians was quoted as saying we cannot unpick all the _ politicians was quoted as saying we cannot unpick all the mess - politicians was quoted as saying we cannot unpick all the mess the - cannot unpick all the mess the tories — cannot unpick all the mess the tories have _ cannot unpick all the mess the tories have done. _ cannot unpick all the mess the tories have done. what - cannot unpick all the mess the tories have done. what is - cannot unpick all the mess the tories have done. what is the| cannot unpick all the mess the - tories have done. what is the point in labour— tories have done. what is the point in labour if— tories have done. what is the point in labour ifyou— tories have done. what is the point in labour if you are _ tories have done. what is the point in labour if you are not _ tories have done. what is the point in labour if you are not going - in labour if you are not going to make _ in labour if you are not going to make better— in labour if you are not going to make better things— in labour if you are not going to make better things have - in labour if you are not going to make better things have been l in labour if you are not going to - make better things have been ruined over the _ make better things have been ruined over the last — make better things have been ruined over the last 13 — make better things have been ruined over the last 13 years _ make better things have been ruined over the last 13 years a _ make better things have been ruined over the last 13 years a few- make better things have been ruined over the last 13 years a few there - over the last 13 years a few there is a person _ over the last 13 years a few there is a person who _ over the last 13 years a few there is a person who is _ over the last 13 years a few there is a person who is going - over the last 13 years a few there is a person who is going to - over the last 13 years a few there is a person who is going to opine| over the last 13 years a fe_ is a person who is going to opine on the act coming in soon. what is going to edge it? he the act coming in soon. what is going to edge it?— the act coming in soon. what is going to edge it? he gets right to the oint. going to edge it? he gets right to the point- not— going to edge it? he gets right to the point. not repealing - going to edge it? he gets right to the point. not repealing brexit, l going to edge it? he gets right to l the point. not repealing brexit, the u—turn on tuition fees, the will only tweak rather than repeal the aspects of the public order act we saw being misused, i would argue, at the coordination, there is a real question here, what does keir

starmer�*s labour stand for and what difference would it make if they got in? in terms of the electoral battleground, there are six conservative mps in scotland and the snp at it was a challenge to each of them, if you want to replace them, them, if you want to replace them, the only chance is to vote snp. in the only chance is to vote snp. in the other seats across scotland, the effect of the labour vote rather than the snp would be too late the conservatives through the middle. there is also the elephant in the room, how england is the largest part of the uk, and the local elections the conservatives are deeply unpopular at the moment. labour are not exactly popular themselves, and need to do better against one of the most unpopular governments in living memory if they are on course for a majority. the fact is everybody in scotland could vote labour but unless england votes in sufficient numbers for the same thing, a conservative government is what we are going to be stuck with.

if you hold the cards, would that be the quid pro quo? we will support you, we will get your speech through, but the price of support is indyref2? i through, but the price of support is ind ref2? ., ~' through, but the price of support is ind ref2? ., ,, ., , indyref2? i would like to see the ower is indyref2? i would like to see the power is transformed _ indyref2? i would like to see the power is transformed so - indyref2? i would like to see the power is transformed so that. indyref2? i would like to see the power is transformed so that it i indyref2? i would like to see the | power is transformed so that it is not ambiguous within the scope of the scottish parliament, take it out of the control potential misuse of westminster and put it in the hands of the scottish people which scottish people have consistently voted for. the previous caller had an excellent point about the arrogant streak about labour saying who they will not work with and they are equivocal about the lib dems. it would be more respectful to see the labour party respects democracy and will work with whatever outcome the voters give them although they would want a majority. i have given a question forjames, if the only way the labour party could form a

government after the next westminster general election was to work with the snp, would you do that or would you step aside and let the conservatives back into number ten? we have ruled out working with the snp. we have ruled out working with the snp we _ we have ruled out working with the snp. we have a fundamental difference on the question of a border— difference on the question of a border between england and scotland. we do _ border between england and scotland. we do not _ border between england and scotland. we do not think that is the right thing _ we do not think that is the right thing to— we do not think that is the right thing to do. it is the fundamental question— thing to do. it is the fundamental question about the future of the uk where _ question about the future of the uk where we _ question about the future of the uk where we disagree on. we disagree profoundly on that point. we cannot io profoundly on that point. we cannot go into— profoundly on that point. we cannot go into any— profoundly on that point. we cannot go into any kind of agreement with the snp _ go into any kind of agreement with the snp on that basis. you go into any kind of agreement with the snp on that basis.— go into any kind of agreement with the snp on that basis. you will keep borders with — the snp on that basis. you will keep borders with europe _ the snp on that basis. you will keep borders with europe and _ borders with europe and your fundamental difference with the snp is greater than any difference with the conservatives, you would like them back in. we the conservatives, you would like them back in.— them back in. we fundamentally disa . ree them back in. we fundamentally disagree with — them back in. we fundamentally disagree with this, _ them back in. we fundamentally disagree with this, there - them back in. we fundamentally disagree with this, there should | them back in. we fundamentally . disagree with this, there should not be a border— disagree with this, there should not be a border between scotland and england _ be a border between scotland and england and we cannot have an arrangement with the snp because there _ arrangement with the snp because there is— arrangement with the snp because there is a _ arrangement with the snp because there is a fundal mental difference between _ there is a fundal mental difference between us. it there is a fundal mental difference between us—

between us. it is a fundamental constitutional _ between us. it is a fundamental constitutional difference, - between us. it is a fundamental constitutional difference, it - between us. it is a fundamental constitutional difference, it is l constitutional difference, it is well known, we are being very clear about our position on that. can” about our position on that. can i make a couple _ about our position on that. can i make a couple of— about our position on that. can i make a couple of points? - about our position on that. can i make a couple of points? the i about our position on that. can i make a couple of points? the nature of the scottish debate in england, endlessly about independence. if you endlessly about independence. if you look at what — endlessly about independence. if you look at what scottish _ endlessly about independence. if you look at what scottish voters - endlessly about independence. if you look at what scottish voters are motivated — look at what scottish voters are motivated by, _ look at what scottish voters are motivated by, independence i look at what scottish voters are - motivated by, independence comes seventh _ motivated by, independence comes seventh i_ motivated by, independence comes seventh. i would _ motivated by, independence comes seventh. i would love _ motivated by, independence comes seventh. i would love to _ motivated by, independence comes seventh. i would love to have - motivated by, independence comes seventh. i would love to have a - seventh. i would love to have a conversation _ seventh. i would love to have a conversation about _ seventh. i would love to have a conversation about scotland . seventh. i would love to have a i conversation about scotland which was about — conversation about scotland which was about public— conversation about scotland which was about public services, - conversation about scotland which was about public services, foreignj was about public services, foreign policy, _ was about public services, foreign policy. health. _ was about public services, foreign policy, health, education, - was about public services, foreign policy, health, education, all- was about public services, foreign policy, health, education, allthel policy, health, education, allthe things— policy, health, education, allthe things that— policy, health, education, allthe things that frankly— policy, health, education, allthe things that frankly the _ policy, health, education, allthe things that frankly the snp - policy, health, education, allthe things that frankly the snp are l things that frankly the snp are messing — things that frankly the snp are messing up _ things that frankly the snp are messing up but _ things that frankly the snp are messing up but which - things that frankly the snp are messing up but which are - things that frankly the snp are i messing up but which are really important _ messing up but which are really important. with _ messing up but which are really important. with great - messing up but which are really important. with great respect l messing up but which are reallyl important. with great respect to you, _ important. with great respect to you. richard, _ important. with great respect to you, richard, for— important. with great respect to you, richard, forthe_ important. with great respect to you, richard, for the snp- important. with great respect to you, richard, for the snp to - important. with great respect to| you, richard, for the snp to talk about— you, richard, for the snp to talk about the — you, richard, for the snp to talk about the misuse _ you, richard, for the snp to talk about the misuse of _ you, richard, for the snp to talk about the misuse of anything - about the misuse of anything considering _ about the misuse of anything considering the _ about the misuse of anything considering the criminal- considering the criminal investigations— considering the criminal investigations going - considering the criminal investigations going oni considering the criminal. investigations going on in considering the criminal- investigations going on in two considering the criminal— investigations going on in two snp members — investigations going on in two snp members i — investigations going on in two snp members i think— investigations going on in two snp members i think is— investigations going on in two snp members i think is pretty- investigations going on in two snp members i think is pretty rich. - investigations going on in two snp members i think is pretty rich. if. members i think is pretty rich. if i can mention — members i think is pretty rich. if i can mention couple _ members i think is pretty rich. if i can mention couple of— members i think is pretty rich. if i can mention couple of other- can mention couple of other pointsm _ can mention couple of other points- - -_ can mention couple of other oints... . .,

points... let richard come back. misuse of _ points... let richard come back. misuse of public _ points... let richard come back. misuse of public funds, - points... let richard come back. misuse of public funds, the - points... let richard come back. | misuse of public funds, the dodgy covid-t9 — misuse of public funds, the dodgy covid—19 contract, people buying their— covid—19 contract, people buying their way— covid—19 contract, people buying their way to get a place for life in their way to get a place for life in the register of the house of lordsm _ the register of the house of lords... , . ., ., ,, lords... de criminal into the snp. sinemet what _ lords... de criminal into the snp. sinemet what would _ lords... de criminal into the snp. sinemet what would you - lords... de criminal into the snp. sinemet what would you like - lords... de criminal into the snp. sinemet what would you like to i lords... de criminal into the snp. l sinemet what would you like to see lords... de criminal into the snp. i sinemet what would you like to see a few i think— sinemet what would you like to see a few i think you — sinemet what would you like to see a few i think you have _ sinemet what would you like to see a few i think you have just _ sinemet what would you like to see a few i think you have just said - sinemet what would you like to see a few i think you have just said it. - few i think you have just said it. thank— few i think you have just said it. thank you — few i think you have just said it. thank you very _ few i think you have just said it. thank you very much. _ few i think you have just said it. thank you very much. lets - few i think you have just said it. thank you very much.— few i think you have just said it. thank you very much. lets talk to maureen in _ thank you very much. lets talk to maureen in liverpool. _ thank you very much. lets talk to maureen in liverpool. do - thank you very much. lets talk to maureen in liverpool. do you - thank you very much. lets talk to | maureen in liverpool. do you want thank you very much. lets talk to - maureen in liverpool. do you want to talk about public order? mr; maureen in liverpool. do you want to talk about public order?— talk about public order? my question to the mps is — talk about public order? my question to the mps is do _ talk about public order? my question to the mps is do they _ talk about public order? my question to the mps is do they think— talk about public order? my question to the mps is do they think it - talk about public order? my question to the mps is do they think it is - to the mps is do they think it is right to arrest protesters on their way? it smacks to me, it is like the film, minority report, where they were solving crimes before they were committed. iam were solving crimes before they were committed. i am very interested to hear what the mps have to say about this new piece of legislation. i this new piece of legislation. i don't know where to go on this one. bob, you would be fully supportive of this legislation. 100%? it is

working tier these people were arrested, is that right? the police have said some _ arrested, is that right? the police have said some of— arrested, is that right? the police have said some of them _ arrested, is that right? the police have said some of them should i arrested, is that right? the police l have said some of them should not have said some of them should not have been— have said some of them should not have been arrested, _ have said some of them should not have been arrested, but _ have said some of them should not have been arrested, but some... i have said some of them should not l have been arrested, but some... the problem _ have been arrested, but some... the problem with— have been arrested, but some... the problem with the _ have been arrested, but some... the problem with the right _ have been arrested, but some... the problem with the right to _ have been arrested, but some... the problem with the right to protest - have been arrested, but some... the problem with the right to protest oni problem with the right to protest on the right— problem with the right to protest on the right to — problem with the right to protest on the right to civil— problem with the right to protest on the right to civil disobedience, - the right to civil disobedience, there — the right to civil disobedience, there is— the right to civil disobedience, there is a _ the right to civil disobedience, there is a line, _ the right to civil disobedience, there is a line, sometimes - the right to civil disobedience, there is a line, sometimes it. the right to civil disobedience, | there is a line, sometimes it is the right to civil disobedience, i there is a line, sometimes it is a grey— there is a line, sometimes it is a grey area, — there is a line, sometimes it is a greyarea. when— there is a line, sometimes it is a grey area, when extinction - there is a line, sometimes it is a - grey area, when extinction rebellion were trying _ grey area, when extinction rebellion were trying to — grey area, when extinction rebellion were trying to bring _ grey area, when extinction rebellion were trying to bring public _ were trying to bring public transport _ were trying to bring public transport to— were trying to bring public transport to a _ were trying to bring public transport to a halt, - were trying to bring public| transport to a halt, setting were trying to bring public - transport to a halt, setting on the m25, _ transport to a halt, setting on the m25, is _ transport to a halt, setting on the m25, is that— transport to a halt, setting on the m25, is that the _ transport to a halt, setting on the m25, is that the right— transport to a halt, setting on the m25, is that the right to- transport to a halt, setting on the m25, is that the right to protest l transport to a halt, setting on the m25, is that the right to protest aj m25, is that the right to protest a few it _ m25, is that the right to protest a few it is _ m25, is that the right to protest a few it is disturbing _ m25, is that the right to protest a few it is disturbing society, - m25, is that the right to protest a few it is disturbing society, it - m25, is that the right to protest a few it is disturbing society, it is i few it is disturbing society, it is civil disobedience _ few it is disturbing society, it is civil disobedience to— few it is disturbing society, it is civil disobedience to bring - few it is disturbing society, it is i civil disobedience to bring society to a halt — civil disobedience to bring society to a halt to _ civil disobedience to bring society to a halt. to stop _ civil disobedience to bring society to a halt. to stop people - civil disobedience to bring society to a halt. to stop people going i civil disobedience to bring society to a halt. to stop people going to work, _ to a halt. to stop people going to work. getting— to a halt. to stop people going to work, getting their— to a halt. to stop people going to work, getting their children- to a halt. to stop people going to work, getting their children to - work, getting their children to school, — work, getting their children to school, going _ work, getting their children to school, going to _ work, getting their children to school, going to hospital. - work, getting their children to school, going to hospital. these --eole school, going to hospital. these people are _ school, going to hospital. these people are not _ school, going to hospital. these people are not extinction - school, going to hospital. these i people are not extinction rebellion, these people were republic, they had been liaising with the police for a number of months and it seems to me

that it was a shiny new piece of legislation, oh, let's use it! let nothing interact this beautiful coronation! hf nothing interact this beautiful coronation!— nothing interact this beautiful coronation! , ., ., ., ., coronation! if they had logged on to ublic coronation! if they had logged on to public buildings. — coronation! if they had logged on to public buildings, to _ coronation! if they had logged on to public buildings, to handcuff- public buildings, to handcuff themselves— public buildings, to handcuff themselves to _ public buildings, to handcuff themselves to public - public buildings, to handcuff. themselves to public buildings, everyone — themselves to public buildings, everyone would _ themselves to public buildings, everyone would have _ themselves to public buildings, everyone would have said, - themselves to public buildings, everyone would have said, why| themselves to public buildings, i everyone would have said, why did you not— everyone would have said, why did you not stop — everyone would have said, why did you not stop it? _ everyone would have said, why did you not stop it? it— everyone would have said, why did you not stop it? it is— everyone would have said, why did you not stop it? it is really- everyone would have said, why did you not stop it? it is really easy. you not stop it? it is really easy to use _ you not stop it? it is really easy to use hindsight _ you not stop it? it is really easy to use hindsight to _ you not stop it? it is really easy to use hindsight to see - you not stop it? it is really easy. to use hindsight to see something was good, — to use hindsight to see something was good, something _ to use hindsight to see something was good, something was - to use hindsight to see something was good, something was bad. i to use hindsight to see something i was good, something was bad. this is generational— was good, something was bad. this is generational and _ was good, something was bad. this is generational and very— was good, something was bad. this is generational and very high—profile i generational and very high—profile operation — generational and very high—profile operation for _ generational and very high—profile operation for the _ generational and very high—profile operation for the police, - generational and very high—profile operation for the police, not i operation for the police, not low-level— operation for the police, not low—level civil _ operation for the police, not low—level civil disobedience | operation for the police, not i low—level civil disobedience but more _ low—level civil disobedience but more significant _ low—level civil disobedience but more significant threats. - low—level civil disobedience but more significant threats. in i more significant threats. organisation, no more significant threats. iii organisation, no means more significant threats. organisation, no means of more significant threats.- organisation, no means of doing more significant threats— organisation, no means of doing such a thing as locking themselves onto somewhere. if a thing as locking themselves onto somewhere-— a thing as locking themselves onto somewhere. , ., ., , ., somewhere. if they had done everyone with said it was _ somewhere. if they had done everyone with said it was obvious _ somewhere. if they had done everyone with said it was obvious and _ somewhere. if they had done everyone with said it was obvious and why i somewhere. if they had done everyone with said it was obvious and why was i with said it was obvious and why was it not— with said it was obvious and why was it not stop _ with said it was obvious and why was it not stop two — with said it was obvious and why was it not stop two can _ with said it was obvious and why was it not stop two— it not stop two can we go back to my

minority report _ minority report point? it starts tom cruise. it's a very good film. liverpool was very current with the eurovision, the fans booing at the football match, the police arresting 50,000 liverpool fans on the way to the football match because their whole intention was to not sing the national anthem? intention was to not sing the nationalanthem? it's intention was to not sing the national anthem? it's a form of protest. it's not a criminal offence what republic were doing. the police made an assumption, _ what republic were doing. the police made an assumption, if _ what republic were doing. the police made an assumption, if they - what republic were doing. the police made an assumption, if they got i what republic were doing. the police made an assumption, if they got six| made an assumption, if they got six arrests— made an assumption, if they got six arrests wrong, — made an assumption, if they got six arrests wrong, they _ made an assumption, if they got six arrests wrong, they will _ made an assumption, if they got six arrests wrong, they will make - made an assumption, if they got six arrests wrong, they will make an i arrests wrong, they will make an apology. — arrests wrong, they will make an apology. 0k. _ arrests wrong, they will make an apology, 0k, single— arrests wrong, they will make an apology, 0k, single arrests i arrests wrong, they will make an. apology, 0k, single arrests wrong arrests wrong, they will make an - apology, 0k, single arrests wrong is apology, ok, single arrests wrong is a any— apology, 0k, single arrests wrong is a any wrong — apology, 0k, single arrests wrong is a any wrong arrest _ apology, 0k, single arrests wrong is a any wrong arrest because - a any wrong arrest because antimonarchist_ a any wrong arrest because antimonarchist you - a any wrong arrest because antimonarchist you have i a any wrong arrest becausel antimonarchist you have the a any wrong arrest because - antimonarchist you have the right to protest. _ antimonarchist you have the right to rotest, , l, l, antimonarchist you have the right to rotest, , t, t, t, t, t, protest, where you own an iphone and esterda protest, where you own an iphone and yesterday about _ protest, where you own an iphone and yesterday about this _ protest, where you own an iphone and yesterday about this issue _ yesterday about this issue yesterday? well come back. let me

just... you were telling me, i think i am right in saying here that somebody on the protest you attended in liverpool had a placard was confiscated by the police... the? confiscated by the police... they attempted _ confiscated by the police... they attempted to — confiscated by the police... they attempted to confiscate - confiscated by the police... lie: attempted to confiscate it, confiscated by the police... tue: attempted to confiscate it, but confiscated by the police... tue1. attempted to confiscate it, but they didn't. ~ ., , ., . ., , didn't. what did the placard say? don't tell us! _ didn't. what did the placard say? don't tell us! something - didn't. what did the placard say? don't tell us! something the - don't tell us! something the monarchy — don't tell us! something the monarchy and _ don't tell us! something the monarchy and it _ don't tell us! something the monarchy and it rhymes - don't tell us! something the | monarchy and it rhymes with don't tell us! something the - monarchy and it rhymes with lock. ? that's a bit close to the bone. chuck the monarchy. should that have been confiscated? hf chuck the monarchy. should that have been confiscated?— been confiscated? if the police get somethin: been confiscated? if the police get something slightly _ been confiscated? if the police get something slightly wrong, - been confiscated? if the police get something slightly wrong, they - been confiscated? if the police get| something slightly wrong, they can always _ something slightly wrong, they can always apologise? _ something slightly wrong, they can always apologise? this _ something slightly wrong, they can always apologise? this is _ something slightly wrong, they can always apologise? this is not- always apologise? this is not pugin's — always apologise? this is not pugin's russia _ always apologise? this is not pugin's russia and _ always apologise? this is not pugin's russia and we - always apologise? this is not pugin's russia and we need i always apologise? this is noti pugin's russia and we need to realise — pugin's russia and we need to realise that _ pugin's russia and we need to realise that. this _ pugin's russia and we need to realise that. this bill- pugin's russia and we need to realise that. this bill was- pugin's russia and we need to i realise that. this bill was brought in for— realise that. this bill was brought in for a _ realise that. this bill was brought

in for a reason, _ realise that. this bill was brought in for a reason, some _ realise that. this bill was brought in for a reason, some protestersi realise that. this bill was brought. in for a reason, some protesters in this country— in for a reason, some protesters in this country try _ in for a reason, some protesters in this country try to _ in for a reason, some protesters in this country try to bring _ in for a reason, some protesters in this country try to bring society - in for a reason, some protesters in this country try to bring society to| this country try to bring society to a halt, _ this country try to bring society to a halt, that — this country try to bring society to a halt, that is _ this country try to bring society to a halt, that is different— this country try to bring society to a halt, that is different from - a halt, that is different from protesting _ a halt, that is different from protesting. people - a halt, that is different from protesting. people have - a halt, that is different from protesting. people have the| a halt, that is different from - protesting. people have the right to id protesting. people have the right to go about— protesting. people have the right to go about their— protesting. people have the right to go about their business, _ protesting. people have the right to go about their business, people - protesting. people have the right to. go about their business, people have the right— go about their business, people have the right to _ go about their business, people have the right to protest _ go about their business, people have the right to protest but _ go about their business, people have the right to protest but others - go about their business, people have the right to protest but others have l the right to protest but others have the right to protest but others have the right _ the right to protest but others have the right to — the right to protest but others have the right to go _ the right to protest but others have the right to go about _ the right to protest but others have the right to go about their - the right to protest but others have the right to go about their business and that— the right to go about their business and that is— the right to go about their business and that is why— the right to go about their business and that is why we _ the right to go about their business and that is why we brought - the right to go about their business and that is why we brought the - the right to go about their business and that is why we brought the bill| and that is why we brought the bill in. and that is why we brought the bill in this _ and that is why we brought the bill in this is — and that is why we brought the bill in. this is another— and that is why we brought the bill in. this is another thing _ and that is why we brought the bill in. this is another thing that- and that is why we brought the bill in. this is another thing that keir. in. this is another thing that keir starmer— in. this is another thing that keir starmer is — in. this is another thing that keir starmer is going _ in. this is another thing that keir starmer is going to _ in. this is another thing that keir starmer is going to flip—flop - in. this is another thing that keir starmer is going to flip—flop on. i starmer is going to flip—flop on. let james — starmer is going to flip—flop on. let james answer— starmer is going to flip—flop on. let james answer that. - starmer is going to flip—flop on. let james answer that. if- starmer is going to flip—flop on. let james answer that. if that's| starmer is going to flip—flop on. - let james answer that. if that's ok. there are questions that need to be answered about what happened because the people who were arrested, something went wrong, they were clearly having conversations with the police. it took a long time to resolve and when the public order bill was going through parliament, we sate the police already have the powers they need to stop serious damage in protest and the net will be cast very white by the new

legislation. what is important, look at what happened on saturday, the coronation, we had the finest traditions of the uk in the coronation and we want to make sure we are protecting our long tradition of peaceful protest, that is the balance that needs to be got right, and there are questions to be answered about what happened. what we will do in government is make sure the balance is protected because we need to protect that tradition to peaceful protest and taking reasonable measures to stop damaging ones. stare taking reasonable measures to stop damaging ones— damaging ones. are you going to re eal the damaging ones. are you going to repeal the bill— damaging ones. are you going to repeal the bill two _ damaging ones. are you going to repealthe bill two i— damaging ones. are you going to repealthe bill two i think- damaging ones. are you going to repealthe bill two i think it- damaging ones. are you going to repealthe bill two i think it is- damaging ones. are you going to repeal the bill two i think it is a l repeal the bill two i think it is a fair oint repeal the bill two i think it is a fair point to _ repeal the bill two i think it is a fair point to see _ repeal the bill two i think it is a fair point to see if _ repeal the bill two i think it is a fair point to see if we _ repeal the bill two i think it is a fair point to see if we get - repeal the bill two i think it is a fair point to see if we get into l fair point to see if we get into government, we cannot spend their whole time on picking every piece of legislation the conservatives have brought in, we have our own plans which are set out and what i'm telling you is what is at the heart of our plans, protecting the tradition of peaceful protest whilst making sure we have the right and

proportion of powers to stop damaging ones. keir proportion of powers to stop damaging ones. proportion of powers to stop damauuin ones. ,, ., damaging ones. keir starmer said it was early days. _ damaging ones. keir starmer said it was early days, it _ damaging ones. keir starmer said it was early days, it takes _ damaging ones. keir starmer said it was early days, it takes a _ damaging ones. keir starmer said it was early days, it takes a little - was early days, it takes a little while to bid on. richard thomson, your leader is a republican, he was at the coronation, what about what happened with these people being arrested? were you uncomfortable with a few arrested? were you uncomfortable with a fe , , ., , arrested? were you uncomfortable withafe ,, , ., with a few yes, i was, people have the riaht with a few yes, i was, people have the right to _ with a few yes, i was, people have the right to go _ with a few yes, i was, people have the right to go about _ with a few yes, i was, people have the right to go about their - with a few yes, i was, people have the right to go about their lawful. the right to go about their lawful business — the right to go about their lawful business in peace, but people have an absolute right to free speech. i am very— an absolute right to free speech. i am very concerned that a respectable campaigning group who had been engaging with the medic metropolitan police in— engaging with the medic metropolitan police in the weeks and days up to this, _ police in the weeks and days up to this, could — police in the weeks and days up to this, could suddenly find themselves bein- this, could suddenly find themselves being bundled into the back of a police _ being bundled into the back of a police van — being bundled into the back of a police van on what i understand was they were _ police van on what i understand was they were in — police van on what i understand was they were in possession of some cable _ they were in possession of some cable ties— they were in possession of some cable ties which were plausibly going —

cable ties which were plausibly going to — cable ties which were plausibly going to be used for rigging up new tranners— going to be used for rigging up new banners that they had, the placards they had _ banners that they had, the placards they had~ i— banners that they had, the placards they had. i have got no reason to believe. — they had. i have got no reason to believe. i— they had. i have got no reason to believe, i know do not believe the police _ believe, i know do not believe the police officers would have reason to believe _ police officers would have reason to believe they were going to be doing anything _ believe they were going to be doing anything other than making their point _ anything other than making their point as— anything other than making their point as they ought to be able to in a democracy. if there was any genuine — a democracy. if there was any genuine fear of disruption or disorder— genuine fear of disruption or disorder or public nuisance, the powers— disorder or public nuisance, the powers that were in place before this public doctor act was voted through— this public doctor act was voted through the commons recently was more _ through the commons recently was more than — through the commons recently was more than sufficient. —— public order— more than sufficient. —— public order act~ _ more than sufficient. —— public order act. the chief constable said as much _ order act. the chief constable said as much. this has tipped the ball balance _ as much. this has tipped the ball balance to — as much. this has tipped the ball balance to fire. it is a matter of great _ balance to fire. it is a matter of great concern for everyone across the uk _ great concern for everyone across the uk because london is potentially the uk because london is potentially the seat _ the uk because london is potentially the seat of— the uk because london is potentially the seat of power in the united kingdom, — the seat of power in the united kingdom, the main seat of power, it is where _ kingdom, the main seat of power, it is where an— kingdom, the main seat of power, it is where an awful lot of these protests _ is where an awful lot of these protests will happen and i think it is a chilling message even if people

were released without charge that the police will take their lead from politicians — the police will take their lead from politicians or more senior officers and think— politicians or more senior officers and think it — politicians or more senior officers and think it is theirjob rather than — and think it is theirjob rather than to— and think it is theirjob rather than to facilitate peaceful protest to simply make sure it is not seen and this— to simply make sure it is not seen and this bill— to simply make sure it is not seen and this bill to get too far and it is disappointing to hearjames and the labour— is disappointing to hearjames and the labour party equivocate over this _ i will leave it there because we have loads more to get into. richard, when there is an independent scotland, do you want charles to be king of scots? intellectually i am for an elected head _ intellectually i am for an elected head of— intellectually i am for an elected head of state. word. is what form that elected head of state would take on — that elected head of state would take on what powers you would expect them to _ take on what powers you would expect them to have. i am relaxed about the monarchy _ them to have. i am relaxed about the monarchy i_ them to have. i am relaxed about the monarchy. i think there is great affection — monarchy. i think there is great affection for the monarchy, even if people _ affection for the monarchy, even if people don't necessarily, even if people. — people don't necessarily, even if people, many people are ambivalent about— people, many people are ambivalent about it. _ people, many people are ambivalent about it, but i'm relaxed about the prospect— about it, but i'm relaxed about the prospect of— about it, but i'm relaxed about the

prospect of an independent scotland within— prospect of an independent scotland within the _ prospect of an independent scotland within the commonwealth. and of course _ within the commonwealth. and of course there was an independent scotland — course there was an independent scotland under a united kingdom crown before the treaty of union in 1707 so _ crown before the treaty of union in 1707 so the — crown before the treaty of union in 1707 so the first stage of independence is to revert to a similar— independence is to revert to a similar constitution with a shared head _ similar constitution with a shared head of— similar constitution with a shared head of state but a politically independent legislature. interesting thou . ht. independent legislature. interesting thought- thank— independent legislature. interesting thought. thank you _ independent legislature. interesting thought. thank you very _ independent legislature. interesting thought. thank you very much - independent legislature. interesting i thought. thank you very much indeed. it is 10.33. here is the news from bethan holmes. thanks, nikki. donald trump's legal team say they plan to appeal against a decision by a jury in a civil case — which found him liable for sexually assaulting a woman — and then defaming her by calling her liar. the magazine writer — ejean carroll — says the former us president attacked her in a department store in the '905. a committee of mps are meeting to decide

whether there should be an inquiry into the policing of the coronation. scotland yard has been criticised for using new protest legislation to arrest six members of the anti—monarchy group — republic — in the hours leading up to the royal procession. they were all released without charge. yesterday — the commisioner of the met — sir mark rowley — insisted there was a credible security threat. last night's heavy rain has led to flash flooding in parts of southern england. a major incident has been declared in somerset — where a number of homes have been evacuated. and a baby has been born using three people's dna for the first time in the uk. most of the dna comes from the two parents and around 0.1% from an egg donor. the pioneering technique is trying to prevent children inheriting genetic disorders. those were the headlines. with the sport — here's katie smith. the former england winger chris waddle reckons real madrid will "not fear going to the etihad" for their champions league semifinal second leg. it's poised at 1—1.

the ill—time champions have never won away to manchester city — they have, though, knocked out both liverpool and chelsea in this year's competition — scoring seven goals on english soil in the process. tonight you can listen to the second semifinal between ac milan and inter live from the san siro on 5live — kick off eight o'clock. fresh from scoring six tries in the recent women's six nations, england wing abby dow will leave harlequins at the end of this season. she'sjoining ealing trailfinders who will be playing in their first season of premier iss rugby later this year. and the first footballer to compete at five world cups between 1950 and 1966 — mexican legend antonio carbajal — has died aged 93. in total, five players have matched carbajal�*s historic achievement including argentina legend lionel messi and portugal's cristiano ronaldo in last year's qatar world cup.

it is ourmps it is our mps panel as ever on a wednesday. we have james murray from labour, we have richard thomson from the snp and bob seely from the conservatives. your questions coming in. here is something lots of people

also feel passionately about and care deeply about. bob, i will go with you first on this. a lot of people who are not natural tories were quite impressed with the animal welfare stuff and animal rights stuff in the 2019 manifesto. it hasn't come to fruition one way or another but they were talking in general terms about foie gras and the appalling way it is produced, elephant tourism and the cruelty there and live exports. people thought, hang on, this is some quite good stuff because normally the other parties have been on the front foot. but now we read that despite a 25 year ban on animal testing for make—up, for cosmetics, we are not talking about whatever you think about the issue, medicine, medical advancement, whatever, people have their views, advancement, whatever, people have theirviews, but advancement, whatever, people have their views, but this is for make—up, cosmetics, the government has been issuing licences in order to stay in line with eu rules. what?

so allowing testing on animals in some instances to ensure chemicals being used are safe. that some instances to ensure chemicals being used are safe.— being used are safe. that is to stay in line with — being used are safe. that is to stay in line with current _ being used are safe. that is to stay in line with current eu _ being used are safe. that is to stay in line with current eu legislation? | in line with current eu legislation? to stay in line with eu rules, yes. i think that's a great brexit argument for greater divergence. well this is what people were saying, they were saying we can go our own way on this. the government have done it to stay in line with eu rules. lots of organisations have said this is madness. unilever, body shop, boots, other cosmetic brands, what the hell is going on? mr; what the hell is going on? m1 understanding of this is that this was the treatments that they were dealing with were relatively mild and have been done to ensure human safety. you make a good point that if this is the sort of thing that we voted for brexit, to leave the european union, for sure this is the sort of thing we can be doing much better. but when it comes to environmental standards and when it comes to a lot of things, actually,

we are now having much higher standards than the eu. animals have toxins poured — standards than the eu. animals have toxins poured into _ standards than the eu. animals have toxins poured into their— standards than the eu. animals have toxins poured into their eyes. - standards than the eu. animals have toxins poured into their eyes. i - standards than the eu. animals have toxins poured into their eyes. i am . toxins poured into their eyes. i am auoin toxins poured into their eyes. i am ioini to toxins poured into their eyes. i am going to face _ toxins poured into their eyes. i am going to face up. _ toxins poured into their eyes. i am going to face up. l _ toxins poured into their eyes. i am going to face up, i don't _ toxins poured into their eyes. i —n going to face up, i don't know enough about the case and i will go and read up about it so the next time i can have more to say on it. but you're right, this is a great example of how we should use brexit to have high standards. doing it the environment and when it comes to water clean—up 20 years ago, 15 years ago, in 2007, the european union took the last labour government to court over the conditions of our rivers, beaches and seas. as of next year 100% of storm overflow is going to be monitored independently and we are going to be driving at much higher standards than we had when we were in the european union. i'm working on the upcoming wildlife bill to see if we can outlaw the breeding of semi—wild cats, i'm working with the wildlife trust on the isle of wight on that, and they are doing a great campaign nationally and i'm working with them nationally to try and get other members of parliament to sign up other members of parliament to sign up to amendments. i'm looking at

james and richard had hoping they might be able to sign up and supported. forsure might be able to sign up and supported. for sure there is more that we can be doing.— supported. for sure there is more that we can be doing. does this news make any sense _ that we can be doing. does this news make any sense to _ that we can be doing. does this news make any sense to you _ that we can be doing. does this news make any sense to you this _ that we can be doing. does this news make any sense to you this week? i make any sense to you this week? testing for cosmetics? i make any sense to you this week? testing for cosmetics?— make any sense to you this week? testing for cosmetics? i don't know the details of _ testing for cosmetics? i don't know the details of details _ testing for cosmetics? i don't know the details of details of _ testing for cosmetics? i don't know the details of details of that - testing for cosmetics? i don't know the details of details of that case i the details of details of that case but i _ the details of details of that case but i know how important animal welfare _ but i know how important animal welfare is — but i know how important animal welfare is to my constituents who -et welfare is to my constituents who get in _ welfare is to my constituents who get in touch with me about it and i know— get in touch with me about it and i know that's — get in touch with me about it and i know that's the case for many mps across— know that's the case for many mps across the — know that's the case for many mps across the country. since i was first _ across the country. since i was first elected people have been getting — first elected people have been getting in touch with me about the importance of strengthening animal welfare _ importance of strengthening animal welfare legislation. and i've been writing _ welfare legislation. and i've been writing to — welfare legislation. and i've been writing to a couple of ministers trying — writing to a couple of ministers trying to— writing to a couple of ministers trying to raise these points with them _ trying to raise these points with them. and i think there is a sense that there — them. and i think there is a sense that there were some promises made by legislation to improve animal welfare — by legislation to improve animal welfare in the last few years. a lot of it seems— welfare in the last few years. a lot of it seems to be dropping off the radar~ _ of it seems to be dropping off the radar~ i_ of it seems to be dropping off the radar. i think that's what is really concerning — radar. i think that's what is really concerning me and concerning a lot of my— concerning me and concerning a lot of my constituents, that some of the promises _ of my constituents, that some of the promisesjust appear to of my constituents, that some of the promises just appear to have of my constituents, that some of the promisesjust appear to have been

kicked _ promisesjust appear to have been kicked into — promisesjust appear to have been kicked into the long grass or not kept _ kicked into the long grass or not kept and — kicked into the long grass or not kept and i_ kicked into the long grass or not kept. and i think people really care about— kept. and i think people really care about making sure we have the right animal— about making sure we have the right animal welfare legislation in place and i_ animal welfare legislation in place and i worry that this isjust slipping _ and i worry that this isjust slipping off the government's radar and will— slipping off the government's radar and will be another broken promise. richard _ and will be another broken promise. richard thomson, far stronger anti—fox and legislation is one example in scotland, but what do you think about this general issue? the animal testing for cosmetics, this rather disappointing news for a lot of people. in a display of solidarity with my fellow panellists this morning, it is not something that was on my radar particularly either. ~ ., ., ., , that was on my radar particularly either. ~ ., ., ., either. what i would say as a eineral either. what i would say as a general point _ either. what i would say as a general point is _ either. what i would say as a general point is that - either. what i would say as a general point is that brexit i general point is that brexit benefits— general point is that brexit benefits to _ general point is that brexit benefits to date _ general point is that brexit benefits to date have - general point is that brexiti benefits to date have been, general point is that brexit - benefits to date have been, let me benefits to date have been, let me be charitable — benefits to date have been, let me be charitable to _ benefits to date have been, let me be charitable to man _ benefits to date have been, let me be charitable to man say _ benefits to date have been, let me be charitable to man say they- benefits to date have been, let me be charitable to man say they have been _ be charitable to man say they have been few _ be charitable to man say they have been few and — be charitable to man say they have been few and far _ be charitable to man say they have been few and far between - be charitable to man say they have been few and far between in - be charitable to man say they have been few and far between in deed. j been few and far between in deed. and if— been few and far between in deed. and if this — been few and far between in deed. and if this was _ been few and far between in deed. and if this was an _ been few and far between in deed. and if this was an opportunity- been few and far between in deed. and if this was an opportunity to l and if this was an opportunity to improve — and if this was an opportunity to improve standards _ and if this was an opportunity to improve standards and - and if this was an opportunity to improve standards and improvel improve standards and improve regulation _ improve standards and improve regulation in _ improve standards and improve regulation in this _ improve standards and improve regulation in this respect - improve standards and improve regulation in this respect by- regulation in this respect by outlawing. _ regulation in this respect by outlawing, further- regulation in this respect by| outlawing, further outlawing regulation in this respect by- outlawing, further outlawing the use of animal _

outlawing, further outlawing the use of animal testing _ outlawing, further outlawing the use of animal testing for— outlawing, further outlawing the use of animal testing for cosmetics, - of animal testing for cosmetics, then— of animal testing for cosmetics, then it — of animal testing for cosmetics, then it seems _ of animal testing for cosmetics, then it seems to _ of animal testing for cosmetics, then it seems to me _ of animal testing for cosmetics, then it seems to me a - of animal testing for cosmetics, then it seems to me a bit - of animal testing for cosmetics, then it seems to me a bit like . of animal testing for cosmetics, | then it seems to me a bit like an opportunity— then it seems to me a bit like an opportunity missed. _ then it seems to me a bit like an opportunity missed. but - then it seems to me a bit like an opportunity missed. but i - then it seems to me a bit like an opportunity missed. but i think. then it seems to me a bit like an. opportunity missed. but i think the thing _ opportunity missed. but i think the thing that— opportunity missed. but i think the thing that we — opportunity missed. but i think the thing that we do— opportunity missed. but i think the thing that we do need _ opportunity missed. but i think the thing that we do need to _ opportunity missed. but i think the thing that we do need to be - thing that we do need to be concerned _ thing that we do need to be concerned about— thing that we do need to be concerned about going - thing that we do need to be i concerned about going forward thing that we do need to be - concerned about going forward is the trade deals— concerned about going forward is the trade deals that _ concerned about going forward is the trade deals that the _ concerned about going forward is the trade deals that the uk _ concerned about going forward is the trade deals that the uk governmentl trade deals that the uk government are currently— trade deals that the uk government are currently signing _ trade deals that the uk government are currently signing up _ trade deals that the uk government are currently signing up to - trade deals that the uk government are currently signing up to with - trade deals that the uk government are currently signing up to with new zealand. _ are currently signing up to with new zealand, australia, _ are currently signing up to with new zealand, australia, or— are currently signing up to with new zealand, australia, or through- are currently signing up to with new zealand, australia, or through the l zealand, australia, or through the ct zealand, australia, or through the cr ppp. — zealand, australia, or through the ct pppi the — zealand, australia, or through the ct ppp, the pacific— zealand, australia, or through the ct ppp, the pacific partnership, . ct ppp, the pacific partnership, be — ct ppp, the pacific partnership, beaue ibab — ct ppp, the pacific partnership, because that presents - ct ppp, the pacific partnership, because that presents a - ct ppp, the pacific partnership, because that presents a real- ct ppp, the pacific partnership, i because that presents a real and present— because that presents a real and present danger— because that presents a real and present danger now _ because that presents a real and present danger now and - because that presents a real and present danger now and going. because that presents a real and . present danger now and going into the future — present danger now and going into the future in — present danger now and going into the future in terms _ present danger now and going into the future in terms of _ present danger now and going into the future in terms of our- present danger now and going into the future in terms of our own - the future in terms of our own welfare — the future in terms of our own welfare standards _ the future in terms of our own welfare standards because - the future in terms of our own| welfare standards because the government— welfare standards because the government will— welfare standards because the government will come - welfare standards because the government will come under. welfare standards because the - government will come under greater economic— government will come under greater economic pressure _ government will come under greater economic pressure to _ government will come under greater economic pressure to conform - government will come under greater economic pressure to conform with i economic pressure to conform with those _ economic pressure to conform with those with— economic pressure to conform with those with whom _ economic pressure to conform with those with whom we _ economic pressure to conform with those with whom we are _ economic pressure to conform with those with whom we are trading. economic pressure to conform with i those with whom we are trading who have standards — those with whom we are trading who have standards that _ those with whom we are trading who have standards that are _ those with whom we are trading who have standards that are not - those with whom we are trading who have standards that are not at - those with whom we are trading who have standards that are not at the i have standards that are not at the level _ have standards that are not at the level that — have standards that are not at the level that i — have standards that are not at the level that i think— have standards that are not at the level that i think our— have standards that are not at the level that i think our consumers . level that i think our consumers would _ level that i think our consumers would expect _ level that i think our consumers would expect. (an— level that i think our consumers would expect-— level that i think our consumers would expect. level that i think our consumers would exect. ., , _, ., would expect. can i 'ust come in on that point. _ would expect. can i 'ust come in on that point. we — would expect. can i 'ust come in on that point. we have— would expect. can ijust come in on that point. we have some - would expect. can ijust come in on that point. we have some breaking| that point. we have some breaking news but very _ that point. we have some breaking news but very quickly. _ that point. we have some breaking news but very quickly. first - that point. we have some breaking news but very quickly. first of - that point. we have some breaking news but very quickly. first of all l news but very quickly. first of all the benefits of brexit, self—governing nation, this important we pass our own laws and we are saving between £8 billion and £11 billion a year and that's one of the reasons why we are spending more than 500 million more every week on

the nhs. ~ . ., , than 500 million more every week on the nhs. ~ _, , ., ., the nhs. when it comes to trade deals the pacific _ the nhs. when it comes to trade deals the pacific trade _ the nhs. when it comes to trade deals the pacific trade deal, - the nhs. when it comes to trade deals the pacific trade deal, i - the nhs. when it comes to trade j deals the pacific trade deal, i can never quite get the constants the right way round, that is really great because it is not about being part of a federal pacific state, it is about entering it as an independent nation with our own laws and signing up free trade deals with the biggest part of the world's growing economy. when it comes to deals like the australian free trade deals like the australian free trade deal that is great especially for young people under the age of 35 who can much more easily go and live and work in australia, australians can come and live and work here and people will love that deal and the more that people see of these free trade deal the better. what more that people see of these free trade deal the better.— trade deal the better. what about farmers? freedom _ trade deal the better. what about farmers? freedom of— trade deal the better. what about farmers? freedom of movementl trade deal the better. what about i farmers? freedom of movement for young _ farmers? freedom of movement for young people across europe we have lost and _ young people across europe we have lost and we _ young people across europe we have lost and we have taken a hit on our gdp which — lost and we have taken a hit on our gdp which doesn't sound great to me. this is— gdp which doesn't sound great to me. this isiust _ gdp which doesn't sound great to me. this isiust in~ — gdp which doesn't sound great to me. this isjust in. i think you will be interested in chewing on it. some stats in from the department of levelling up, housing and community is telling us the number of households living in temporary accommodation in england has equalled the highest number ever

recorded. 101,300 households were recorded. 101,300 households were recorded as homeless in the fourth quarter of 2022, exactly matching the previous record high set in 2004. the previous record high set in 200a. more than 127,000 children living in temporary accommodation. 12,000 households living in hotels. richard thomson, how can that be in our country? it is richard thomson, how can that be in our country?— our country? it is a pretty shocking and damning _ our country? it is a pretty shocking and damning set _ our country? it is a pretty shocking and damning set of— our country? it is a pretty shocking and damning set of statistics, - and damning set of statistics, particularly when you are looking at nearly— particularly when you are looking at nearly 20 _ particularly when you are looking at nearly 20 years on, so little progress _ nearly 20 years on, so little progress seems to be made because of this takes— progress seems to be made because of this takes us _ progress seems to be made because of this takes us back to the decades of austerity— this takes us back to the decades of austerity that we have seen from 2008~ _ austerity that we have seen from 2008. and those that were in the name _ 2008. and those that were in the name of— 2008. and those that were in the name of balancing the books of the uk are _ name of balancing the books of the uk are the — name of balancing the books of the uk are the ones least able to carry that burden. it is those who don't have _ that burden. it is those who don't have the — that burden. it is those who don't have the loud voices and to have leased _ have the loud voices and to have leased the — have the loud voices and to have leased the have suffered the most. but i leased the have suffered the most. but i think— leased the have suffered the most. but i think clearly there are many things— but i think clearly there are many things that need to be done to

tackle — things that need to be done to tackle homelessness. but one of the things— tackle homelessness. but one of the things that _ tackle homelessness. but one of the things that i think drives people into poor— things that i think drives people into poor accommodation or no accommodation at all is the lack of affordable — accommodation at all is the lack of affordable housing. certainly there are efforts being made in scotland to tackle _ are efforts being made in scotland to tackle that, to get council houses — to tackle that, to get council houses built, get the numbers up so people _ houses built, get the numbers up so people have got homes that are fit to live _ people have got homes that are fit to live in. — people have got homes that are fit to live in, that are energy efficient _ to live in, that are energy efficient, and i think there is a real— efficient, and i think there is a real issue _ efficient, and i think there is a real issue and i don't think the local— real issue and i don't think the local elections we have just seen in england _ local elections we have just seen in england did thisjustice, they need to be _ england did thisjustice, they need to be homes built for people who need _ to be homes built for people who need them. and it seems to get lost in a cloud _ need them. and it seems to get lost in a cloud of— need them. and it seems to get lost in a cloud of nimbyism in lots of places— in a cloud of nimbyism in lots of places and — in a cloud of nimbyism in lots of places and i really do think this is something — places and i really do think this is something that the uk government for its responsibilities in england and needs— its responsibilities in england and needs to — its responsibilities in england and needs to get to grips with. and james, needs to get to grips with. and james. for _ needs to get to grips with. and james, for labour, _ needs to get to grips with. fific james, for labour, these are needs to get to grips with. e'ic james, for labour, these are the worst figures since tony blair was prime minister. and of course under tony blair puzzlement leadership the gap between rich and poor continued to widen. what is your comment? i

think hearing those statistics i find really— think hearing those statistics i find really upsetting _ think hearing those statistics i find really upsetting because i think hearing those statistics i. find really upsetting because we know _ find really upsetting because we know that — find really upsetting because we know that homelessness - find really upsetting because we know that homelessness is - find really upsetting because we know that homelessness is at i find really upsetting because we i know that homelessness is at the sharpest— know that homelessness is at the sharpest end _ know that homelessness is at the sharpest end of— know that homelessness is at the sharpest end of the _ know that homelessness is at the sharpest end of the housing - know that homelessness is at the l sharpest end of the housing crisis, the housing — sharpest end of the housing crisis, the housing crisis— sharpest end of the housing crisis, the housing crisis affects - sharpest end of the housing crisis, the housing crisis affects people . the housing crisis affects people across _ the housing crisis affects people across the — the housing crisis affects people across the country— the housing crisis affects people across the country but _ the housing crisis affects people - across the country but homelessness is the _ across the country but homelessness is the sharpest— across the country but homelessness is the sharpest end _ across the country but homelessness is the sharpest end of— across the country but homelessness is the sharpest end of it. _ across the country but homelessness is the sharpest end of it. and - across the country but homelessness is the sharpest end of it. and i- is the sharpest end of it. and i think— is the sharpest end of it. and i think for— is the sharpest end of it. and i think for good _ is the sharpest end of it. and i think for good reasons - is the sharpest end of it. and i think for good reasons we - is the sharpest end of it. and ii think for good reasons we quite often _ think for good reasons we quite often focus _ think for good reasons we quite often focus on _ think for good reasons we quite often focus on rough _ think for good reasons we quite often focus on rough sleeping, i often focus on rough sleeping, people — often focus on rough sleeping, people sleeping _ often focus on rough sleeping, people sleeping on _ often focus on rough sleeping, people sleeping on the - often focus on rough sleeping, people sleeping on the streets often focus on rough sleeping, - people sleeping on the streets when we talk— people sleeping on the streets when we talk about — people sleeping on the streets when we talk about homelessness. - people sleeping on the streets when we talk about homelessness. but. people sleeping on the streets when . we talk about homelessness. but what the statistics— we talk about homelessness. but what the statistics remind _ we talk about homelessness. but what the statistics remind us— we talk about homelessness. but what the statistics remind us about - we talk about homelessness. but what the statistics remind us about is - the statistics remind us about is the statistics remind us about is the number— the statistics remind us about is the number of— the statistics remind us about is the number of people _ the statistics remind us about is the number of people and - the statistics remind us about is l the number of people and children and families — the number of people and children and families living _ the number of people and children and families living in _ the number of people and children and families living in temporary. and families living in temporary accommodation _ and families living in temporary accommodation who— and families living in temporary accommodation who are - and families living in temporary- accommodation who are homeless, who are being _ accommodation who are homeless, who are being found— accommodation who are homeless, who are being found accommodation - accommodation who are homeless, who are being found accommodation on - accommodation who are homeless, who are being found accommodation on a . are being found accommodation on a temporary— are being found accommodation on a temporary basis _ are being found accommodation on a temporary basis, although— are being found accommodation on a temporary basis, although it - are being found accommodation on a temporary basis, although it ends i are being found accommodation on aj temporary basis, although it ends up not being _ temporary basis, although it ends up not being temporary— temporary basis, although it ends up not being temporary in— temporary basis, although it ends up not being temporary in many- temporary basis, although it ends up not being temporary in many cases l not being temporary in many cases because _ not being temporary in many cases because people _ not being temporary in many cases because people are _ not being temporary in many cases because people are stuck- not being temporary in many cases because people are stuck there - not being temporary in many cases because people are stuck there for| because people are stuck there for many— because people are stuck there for many years. — because people are stuck there for many years. people _ because people are stuck there for many years, people living - because people are stuck there for many years, people living in- many years, people living in insecurityi _ many years, people living in insecurity, people _ many years, people living in insecurity, people living - many years, people living in| insecurity, people living may many years, people living in- insecurity, people living may be away— insecurity, people living may be away from — insecurity, people living may be away from their— insecurity, people living may be away from their family - insecurity, people living may bei away from their family networks, people _ away from their family networks, people living _ away from their family networks, people living in _ away from their family networks, people living in accommodation i away from their family networks, - people living in accommodation which is quite _ people living in accommodation which is quite often — people living in accommodation which is quite often good _ people living in accommodation which is quite often good enough _ people living in accommodation which is quite often good enough quality. i is quite often good enough quality. and i_ is quite often good enough quality. and i think— is quite often good enough quality. and i think it— is quite often good enough quality. and i think it really— is quite often good enough quality. and i think it really shows - is quite often good enough quality. and i think it really shows to - is quite often good enough quality. and i think it really shows to me i and i think it really shows to me quite _ and i think it really shows to me quite how— and i think it really shows to me quite how desperate _ and i think it really shows to me quite how desperate the - and i think it really shows to me | quite how desperate the housing situation — quite how desperate the housing situation is — quite how desperate the housing situation is in _ quite how desperate the housing situation is in this _ quite how desperate the housing situation is in this country. - quite how desperate the housing situation is in this country. and i situation is in this country. and it's not— situation is in this country. and it's not a — situation is in this country. and it's not a straightforward - situation is in this country. and it's not a straightforward thing| situation is in this country. and l it's not a straightforward thing to fix. it's not a straightforward thing to fix but— it's not a straightforward thing to fix but we — it's not a straightforward thing to fix but we do— it's not a straightforward thing to fix. but we do need _ it's not a straightforward thing to fix. but we do need to _ it's not a straightforward thing to fix. but we do need to make - it's not a straightforward thing to| fix. but we do need to make sure that we _

fix. but we do need to make sure that we are — fix. but we do need to make sure that we are reforming, _ fix. but we do need to make sure that we are reforming, for- fix. but we do need to make sure i that we are reforming, for instance, the private — that we are reforming, for instance, the private rented _ that we are reforming, for instance, the private rented sector— that we are reforming, for instance, the private rented sector to - that we are reforming, for instance, the private rented sector to bring i the private rented sector to bring that up— the private rented sector to bring that up to — the private rented sector to bring that up to scratch, _ the private rented sector to bring that up to scratch, we _ the private rented sector to bring that up to scratch, we need - the private rented sector to bring that up to scratch, we need to i the private rented sector to bring. that up to scratch, we need to make sure that _ that up to scratch, we need to make sure that we — that up to scratch, we need to make sure that we have _ that up to scratch, we need to make sure that we have more _ that up to scratch, we need to make sure that we have more council- that up to scratch, we need to make sure that we have more council and| sure that we have more council and social— sure that we have more council and social housing _ sure that we have more council and social housing being _ sure that we have more council and social housing being built, - sure that we have more council and social housing being built, we - sure that we have more council and social housing being built, we need to make _ social housing being built, we need to make sure — social housing being built, we need to make sure we _ social housing being built, we need to make sure we are _ social housing being built, we need to make sure we are building - social housing being built, we need to make sure we are building more| to make sure we are building more homes _ to make sure we are building more homes of— to make sure we are building more homes of all— to make sure we are building more homes of all types _ to make sure we are building more homes of all types of _ to make sure we are building more homes of all types of the - to make sure we are building more homes of all types of the young. homes of all types of the young people — homes of all types of the young people can _ homes of all types of the young people can buy— homes of all types of the young people can buy their— homes of all types of the young people can buy their first - people can buy their first home, that's— people can buy their first home, that's the — people can buy their first home, that's the kind _ people can buy their first home, that's the kind of _ people can buy their first home, that's the kind of approach - people can buy their first home, that's the kind of approach we . people can buy their first home, . that's the kind of approach we need across— that's the kind of approach we need across the _ that's the kind of approach we need across the piece. _ that's the kind of approach we need across the piece. these _ that's the kind of approach we need across the piece. these statistics. across the piece. these statistics bring _ across the piece. these statistics bring alive — across the piece. these statistics bring alive the _ across the piece. these statistics bring alive the fact _ across the piece. these statistics bring alive the fact that - across the piece. these statistics bring alive the fact that when - across the piece. these statistics bring alive the fact that when we| bring alive the fact that when we are talking — bring alive the fact that when we are talking about _ bring alive the fact that when we are talking about homelessnessi bring alive the fact that when we. are talking about homelessness it bring alive the fact that when we - are talking about homelessness it is notiust_ are talking about homelessness it is not just people _ are talking about homelessness it is notjust people sleeping _ are talking about homelessness it is notjust people sleeping on- are talking about homelessness it is notjust people sleeping on the - notjust people sleeping on the streets. — notjust people sleeping on the streets. it— notjust people sleeping on the streets. it is— notjust people sleeping on the streets, it is also _ notjust people sleeping on the streets, it is also people - notjust people sleeping on the streets, it is also people and l streets, it is also people and children— streets, it is also people and children stuck— streets, it is also people and children stuck in _ streets, it is also people and children stuck in this - streets, it is also people and - children stuck in this inappropriate accommodation _ children stuck in this inappropriate accommodation for— children stuck in this inappropriate accommodation for years - children stuck in this inappropriate accommodation for years on - children stuck in this inappropriate accommodation for years on end. i children stuck in this inappropriate - accommodation for years on end. bob? it is not a statistic _ accommodation for years on end. bob? it is not a statistic i'm _ accommodation for years on end. bob? it is not a statistic i'm proud _ accommodation for years on end. it is not a statistic i'm proud of and i'm sorry to hear it. there are some facts i think it is quite useful to just check here. since 2010 we have built over 600,000 affordable homes. 2.2 million homes, more than 2.2 million new homes have been built, and last year we had 400,001st-time been built, and last year we had 400,0015t—time buyers, which was the highest for 20 years, and about 800,000 people have been held since 2010 with the right to buy schemes.

0ne 2010 with the right to buy schemes. one of the slight problems is that our population is growing. different reasons, external immigration, 500,000 new people coming to the uk on work visas or refugees, or various different guises last year and there is intense pressure. 0ne and there is intense pressure. one of the things i lead the planning rebellion against government, when people say this is just about targets, but it isn't, it is about lots of things. one of the problems we have is that councils pass 80% of housing requests, has an permissions get passed, developers sit on those permissions for up to 15 years. there are 900,000 permissions being held by developers. the top ten biggest developers who pay big bonuses and big money to their bosses, they sit on the 70% of all the permissions so one of the things that we wanted is a lose it or use it rule where michael gove has the power to say to people you will build out by a certain time or you will lose that permission. we want

much more focus on brownfield. why? bradfield is much more likely where young people want to live because it is an existing communities, near shops and services. if you're stuck in and out of town low density on environmentalfriendly in and out of town low density on environmental friendly greenfield housing estate and you can't even afford a car, then you are not going to have a home for you. we are trying to reform the system to get more stuff being built. but for sure, most of his being built in cities because we have some of the lowest density cities in the world. and actually some of our, sadly, some of our great northern cities have been depopulated. the isle of wight, look at my patch on the isle of wight, we have increased our population by 50% in 60 years. at the same time maureen earlier from liverpool, liverpool was, the population in the 605 were 650000 and it hit a low point of 400,000 about ten years ago. it is actively repopulating. i about ten years ago. it is actively repopulating— about ten years ago. it is actively repopulating. i have a constituent of ours repopulating. i have a constituent

of yours on _ repopulating. i have a constituent of yours on the — repopulating. i have a constituent of yours on the line. _ repopulating. i have a constituent of yours on the line. i _ repopulating. i have a constituent of yours on the line. ithink- repopulating. i have a constituent of yours on the line. i think you . of yours on the line. i think you have all laid out some points there fairly. it is a constituent of yours who is on the line. nothing to worry about but it is a man who wants to talk about denti5t5. jason. about but it is a man who wants to talk about dentists. jason.- talk about dentists. jason. crack on. jason and — talk about dentists. jason. crack on. jason and the isle _ talk about dentists. jason. crack on. jason and the isle of - talk about dentists. jason. crack on. jason and the isle of wight, | on. jason and the isle of wight, crack on. _ on. jason and the isle of wight, crack on, that's _ on. jason and the isle of wight, crack on, that's something - on. jason and the isle of wight, crack on, that's something that| on. jason and the isle of wight, i crack on, that's something that is quite painful! what is your question?— quite painful! what is your question? quite painful! what is your iuestion? ,, , , ~ ., question? bob seely is the mp for the isle of wight. _ question? bob seely is the mp for the isle of wight. i _ question? bob seely is the mp for the isle of wight. i have _ question? bob seely is the mp for the isle of wight. i have stayed i question? bob seely is the mp for| the isle of wight. i have stayed on the isle of wight. i have stayed on the isle of wight since 2017. i have some health problems and i can't get a national health service dentist on the whole of the isle of wight. bob seely has been an mp for a long time on this island. i would like to know what he's doing about it.— on this island. i would like to know what he's doing about it. where do ou live what he's doing about it. where do you live on — what he's doing about it. where do you live on the _ what he's doing about it. where do you live on the island _ what he's doing about it. where do you live on the island and - what he's doing about it. where do you live on the island and can - what he's doing about it. where do you live on the island and can i - what he's doing about it. where do you live on the island and can i askj you live on the island and can i ask your— you live on the island and can i ask your first _ you live on the island and can i ask your first name? my you live on the island and can i ask your first name?— your first name? my name is jason and i sta your first name? my name is jason and i stay in _ your first name? my name is jason and i stay in lake. _ your first name? my name is jason and i stay in lake. i— your first name? my name is jason and i stay in lake. iwill— your first name? my name is jason and i stay in lake. i will check- and i stay in lake. i will check this but and i stay in lake. ! will check this but if— and i stay in lake. i will check this but if you _

and i stay in lake. i will check this but if you want _ and i stay in lake. i will check this but if you want to - and i stay in lake. i will check this but if you want to drop i and i stay in lake. i will check| this but if you want to drop me and i stay in lake. i will check- this but if you want to drop me an email— this but if you want to drop me an e-mail i_ this but if you want to drop me an e-mail i will— this but if you want to drop me an e—mail i will see if i can line you ”p e—mail i will see if i can line you up because _ e—mail i will see if i can line you up because the nhs dentist in east cowes _ up because the nhs dentist in east cowes was getting funding for more slots _ cowes was getting funding for more slots if_ cowes was getting funding for more slots. if you are asking a more general— slots. if you are asking a more general point, i am due to have a conversation with the nhs funders, the icb. _ conversation with the nhs funders, the icb, the integrated care board, in the _ the icb, the integrated care board, in the next — the icb, the integrated care board, in the next week or so because although— in the next week or so because although the nhs has started spending more on nhs dentists on the mainland _ spending more on nhs dentists on the mainland ih _ spending more on nhs dentists on the mainland in hampshire where we are joined _ mainland in hampshire where we are joined with. — mainland in hampshire where we are joined with, that funding hasn't yet come _ joined with, that funding hasn't yet come through to the isle of wight. we did _ come through to the isle of wight. we did a _ come through to the isle of wight. we did a phone in on this the other day. people are desperate, they are extracting their own teeth. you day. people are desperate, they are extracting their own teeth.— extracting their own teeth. you are absolutely right _ extracting their own teeth. you are absolutely right and _ extracting their own teeth. you are absolutely right and it _ extracting their own teeth. you are absolutely right and it is _ extracting their own teeth. you are | absolutely right and it is something massively— absolutely right and it is something massively concerning for me. there are three _ massively concerning for me. there are three problems in primary care that personally i've been dealing with and — that personally i've been dealing with and i'm sure lots of other people — with and i'm sure lots of other pe0pte as _ with and i'm sure lots of other people as well. pharmacies. the gp support— people as well. pharmacies. the gp support package announced yesterday and the _ support package announced yesterday and the pharmacy first, that is gold dust for— and the pharmacy first, that is gold dust for me — and the pharmacy first, that is gold dust for me to help with pharmacies taking _ dust for me to help with pharmacies taking up— dust for me to help with pharmacies taking up the strain on gp surgeries. it is actually really important for women's health as well

because _ important for women's health as well because a _ important for women's health as well because a lot of the stuff, women can go— because a lot of the stuff, women can go to — because a lot of the stuff, women can go to pharmacies for utis oral contraception, and it's really important for women as well. the second _ important for women as well. the second issue as gps. in some patches of the _ second issue as gps. in some patches of the island _ second issue as gps. in some patches of the island we have a full conferment of gps and gp support staff and _ conferment of gps and gp support staff and all those great people and thank— staff and all those great people and thank you _ staff and all those great people and thank you to them for the great work they d0~ _ thank you to them for the great work they d0~ in_ thank you to them for the great work they do. in some surgeries we have a real deficit _ they do. in some surgeries we have a real deficit. but the biggest problem that we face on the island, it is absolutely right to say so, the biggest problem we face is in dehtistry— the biggest problem we face is in dentistry and in the immediate term i'm try— dentistry and in the immediate term i'm try to— dentistry and in the immediate term i'm try to get more money from the icd, i'm try to get more money from the icd. the _ i'm try to get more money from the icd, the people who fund the nhs on the island, _ icd, the people who fund the nhs on the island, to get more nhs contracts. there is, and i keep pestering _ contracts. there is, and i keep pestering the health minister on this, _ pestering the health minister on this, there is going to be a statement on dentistry hopefully in the next _ statement on dentistry hopefully in the next couple of months which will enable _ the next couple of months which will enable us _ the next couple of months which will enable us to get more dentists nationwide but also to isolate communities where there is a specific— communities where there is a specific problem.— communities where there is a specific problem. let's share it with the others. _ specific problem. let's share it with the others. jason, - specific problem. let's share it with the others. jason, can - specific problem. let's share it with the others. jason, can i i specific problem. let's share it. with the others. jason, can i ask with the others. jason, can i ask how are your teeth? have you had problems?

how are your teeth? have you had roblems? ~ how are your teeth? have you had problems?— how are your teeth? have you had roblems? ~ , ., ., problems? when i stayed in scotland used to net problems? when i stayed in scotland used to get your _ problems? when i stayed in scotland used to get your teeth _ problems? when i stayed in scotland used to get your teeth fixed - problems? when i stayed in scotland used to get your teeth fixed for - used to get your teeth fixed for nothing sort of thing and i've never had a tooth out since i —— until i came to the isle of wight. i'm not in any pain at the moment but i've had three teeth out since i've been here because trying to get a dentist to save your teeth, if you need a filling and you can't get a dentist, then the hole in your tooth is just going to get worse sort of thing. it is a desperate situation for people. i find is a desperate situation for people. ifind it is a desperate situation for people. i find it very annoying in the whole isle of wight you cannot get one national health service dentist. it is a national issue. james murray, as i say, we did a phone in on this and it was absolutely rammed with people at the end of their tether, james. it people at the end of their tether, james. ., , ,., , ., , james. it absolutely mirrors the exuerience _ james. it absolutely mirrors the experience that _ james. it absolutely mirrors the experience that i _ james. it absolutely mirrors the experience that i pick _ james. it absolutely mirrors the experience that i pick up - james. it absolutely mirrors the experience that i pick up from l james. it absolutely mirrors the i experience that i pick up from my constituents, _ experience that i pick up from my constituents, and _ experience that i pick up from my constituents, and i— experience that i pick up from my constituents, and i know- experience that i pick up from my constituents, and i know mps- experience that i pick up from my. constituents, and i know mps across the country —

constituents, and i know mps across the country i'm — constituents, and i know mps across the country i'm sure _ constituents, and i know mps across the country i'm sure i've _ the country i'm sure i've constituent— the country i'm sure i've constituent is— the country i'm sure i've constituent is getting i the country i'm sure i've constituent is getting in| the country i'm sure i've - constituent is getting in touch the country i'm sure i've _ constituent is getting in touch with similar— constituent is getting in touch with similar issues. _ constituent is getting in touch with similar issues. i— constituent is getting in touch with similar issues. i think— constituent is getting in touch with similar issues. i think what - constituent is getting in touch with similar issues. i think what it - similar issues. i think what it shows— similar issues. i think what it shows is— similar issues. i think what it shows is that _ similar issues. i think what it shows is that the _ similar issues. i think what it shows is that the whole - similar issues. i think what it. shows is that the whole system similar issues. i think what it - shows is that the whole system of nhs dentistry _ shows is that the whole system of nhs dentistry health _ shows is that the whole system of nhs dentistry health care - shows is that the whole system of nhs dentistry health care is - nhs dentistry health care is creaking _ nhs dentistry health care is creaking at _ nhs dentistry health care is creaking at the _ nhs dentistry health care is creaking at the seams. - nhs dentistry health care is i creaking at the seams. talking nhs dentistry health care is - creaking at the seams. talking about getting _ creaking at the seams. talking about getting a _ creaking at the seams. talking about getting a dentist _ creaking at the seams. talking about getting a dentist appointment, - creaking at the seams. talking about getting a dentist appointment, whati getting a dentist appointment, what about— getting a dentist appointment, what about getting — getting a dentist appointment, what about getting a _ getting a dentist appointment, what about getting a gp— getting a dentist appointment, what about getting a gp appointment i getting a dentist appointment, what about getting a gp appointment as i about getting a gp appointment as well? _ about getting a gp appointment as well? 0k. — about getting a gp appointment as well? 0k. the— about getting a gp appointment as well? ok, the government - about getting a gp appointment as well? ok, the government are i about getting a gp appointment as i well? ok, the government are talking about— well? ok, the government are talking about using _ well? ok, the government are talking about using community— well? ok, the government are talking about using community pharmacies i about using community pharmacies more _ about using community pharmacies more that — about using community pharmacies more that is — about using community pharmacies more. that is something _ about using community pharmacies more. that is something we - about using community pharmacies more. that is something we have l about using community pharmacies i more. that is something we have been calling _ more. that is something we have been calling for— more. that is something we have been calling for since — more. that is something we have been calling for since the _ more. that is something we have been calling for since the start _ more. that is something we have been calling for since the start of _ more. that is something we have been calling for since the start of the - calling for since the start of the year— calling for since the start of the year but — calling for since the start of the year but there _ calling for since the start of the year but there is _ calling for since the start of the year but there is also _ calling for since the start of the year but there is also a - calling for since the start of the i year but there is also a question of capacity— year but there is also a question of capacity here~ _ year but there is also a question of capacity here. because _ year but there is also a question of capacity here. because hundreds. year but there is also a question of| capacity here. because hundreds of community— capacity here. because hundreds of community pharmacies _ capacity here. because hundreds of community pharmacies have - capacity here. because hundreds of community pharmacies have closed capacity here. because hundreds of. community pharmacies have closed in recent— community pharmacies have closed in recent years — community pharmacies have closed in recent years i— community pharmacies have closed in recent years. i think _ community pharmacies have closed in recent years. i think we _ community pharmacies have closed in recent years. i think we are _ community pharmacies have closed in recent years. i think we are 2000 i recent years. i think we are 2000 gps down — recent years. i think we are 2000 gps down. tinkering _ recent years. i think we are 2000 gps down. tinkering around - recent years. i think we are 2000 gps down. tinkering around the l recent years. i think we are 2000 i gps down. tinkering around the edges and shifting _ gps down. tinkering around the edges and shifting things _ gps down. tinkering around the edges and shifting things around _ gps down. tinkering around the edges and shifting things around when - and shifting things around when there _ and shifting things around when there isn't— and shifting things around when there isn't the _ and shifting things around when there isn't the capacity - and shifting things around when there isn't the capacity in - and shifting things around when there isn't the capacity in the i there isn't the capacity in the system, _ there isn't the capacity in the system, where _ there isn't the capacity in the system, where there - there isn't the capacity in the system, where there isn't- there isn't the capacity in the | system, where there isn't the workforce _ system, where there isn't the workforce plan, _ system, where there isn't the workforce plan, where - system, where there isn't the workforce plan, where there i system, where there isn't the i workforce plan, where there isn't that investment, _ workforce plan, where there isn't that investment, whether- workforce plan, where there isn't that investment, whether isn't. workforce plan, where there isn'ti that investment, whether isn't the fundamental— that investment, whether isn't the fundamental reform, _ that investment, whether isn't the fundamental reform, i— that investment, whether isn't the fundamental reform, i don't- that investment, whether isn't the fundamental reform, i don't know| that investment, whether isn't the. fundamental reform, i don't know if people _ fundamental reform, i don't know if people are — fundamental reform, i don't know if people are going _ fundamental reform, i don't know if people are going to _ fundamental reform, i don't know if people are going to really _ fundamental reform, i don't know if people are going to really notice i people are going to really notice the difference _ people are going to really notice the difference they— people are going to really notice the difference they need - people are going to really notice i the difference they need because what we — the difference they need because what we need _ the difference they need because what we need is _ the difference they need because what we need is that _ the difference they need becausel what we need is that fundamental reform _ what we need is that fundamental reform of— what we need is that fundamental reform of the _ what we need is that fundamental reform of the nhs _ what we need is that fundamental reform of the nhs alongside i reform of the nhs alongside investment, _ reform of the nhs alongside investment, that's _ reform of the nhs alongside investment, that's what i reform of the nhs alongside investment, that's what we i reform of the nhs alongside i investment, that's what we have reform of the nhs alongside - investment, that's what we have been setting _ investment, that's what we have been setting out— investment, that's what we have been setting out would _ investment, that's what we have been setting out would be _ investment, that's what we have been setting out would be our— investment, that's what we have been setting out would be our priority - investment, that's what we have been setting out would be our priority in i setting out would be our priority in government — setting out would be our priority in government [_ setting out would be our priority in government-— government. i want to bring pharmacies _ government. i want to bring

pharmacies onto _ government. i want to bring pharmacies onto the - government. i want to bring| pharmacies onto the agenda government. i want to bring - pharmacies onto the agenda because you both mention pharmacists and we have deal in cambridge who is a pharmacist. fantastic. that's the wonderful thing about this programme. neil, what is your point? we have not got a lot of time but say what you want to say. thanks. my name is neil. — say what you want to say. thanks. my name is neil. i— say what you want to say. thanks. my name is neil, i am _ say what you want to say. thanks. my name is neil, i am a _ say what you want to say. thanks. my name is neil, i am a pharmacist i say what you want to say. thanks. my name is neil, i am a pharmacist and l name is neil, i am a pharmacist and i own a pharmacy in cambridgeshire. as an owner of the pharmacy we welcome the opportunity for these new services, for this new money, but we essentially haven't had a funding increase since 2016 in pharmacy and, like one of your mp5 just said, we have serious issues with capacity already. are the government looking at increasing funding for our core dispensing service because that's what we really need help with? we can then put in, then we would be able to do the extra services that they have

recently announced. if the extra services that they have recently announced.— the extra services that they have recently announced. if there was the fundin: recently announced. if there was the funding though. _ recently announced. if there was the funding though, is _ recently announced. if there was the funding though, is it _ recently announced. if there was the funding though, is it something i recently announced. if there was the funding though, is it something that| funding though, is it something that you relish the opportunity of providing these extra services? yes. we relish the _ providing these extra services? jazz we relish the opportunity and providing these extra services? i9; we relish the opportunity and we want to do it, and it will help the gps in reducing their waiting time, and that's all good. but we also have funding problems ourselves where we haven't received any new funding since 2016. just to put that into context, the minimum wage in 2016 was roughly £6.50 and now the minimum wage is £10.50. 50 our costs of recruiting staff and paying them and utilities, and everything else has gone through the roof and we have at no extra funding. the main reason why people still use a pharmacy, although we do lots of other services, pharmacy, although we do lots of otherservices, is pharmacy, although we do lots of other services, is to get their prescriptions dispensed and collected. 50 we need funding just

to basically perform the service efficiently and effectively. and that's one of the reasons why some pharmacies are closing a few hours a day and some have closed permanently now because theyjust can't carry on running. now because they 'ust can't carry on runninu. ., , . , ., running. the whole principle of pharmacist _ running. the whole principle of pharmacist doing _ running. the whole principle of pharmacist doing more - running. the whole principle of| pharmacist doing more because running. the whole principle of- pharmacist doing more because they are such skilled people is a good one, isn't it? are such skilled people is a good one. isn't it?— are such skilled people is a good one, isn't it? absolutely it is and it is a principle _ one, isn't it? absolutely it is and it is a principle we _ one, isn't it? absolutely it is and it is a principle we have - one, isn't it? absolutely it is and it is a principle we have been i it is a principle we have been following _ it is a principle we have been following in scotland for quite some time with— following in scotland for quite some time with our own pharmacy first programme. certainly i know with my own family— programme. certainly i know with my own family you can, we have never had a _ own family you can, we have never had a problem being able to get a gp appointment i'm pleased to say, but nevertheless sometimes the most appropriate pathway to getting the treatment of the medication you need is simply— treatment of the medication you need is simply to— treatment of the medication you need is simply to go to the local pharmacy and be seen by somebody who is equally— pharmacy and be seen by somebody who is equally as _ pharmacy and be seen by somebody who is equally as capable and professionally qualified to diagnose and dispense like that. sol professionally qualified to diagnose and dispense like that. so i think the principle is a fine one. the funding — the principle is a fine one. the funding package in scotland comes to

an end _ funding package in scotland comes to an end this— funding package in scotland comes to an end this year but post—pandemic as we _ an end this year but post—pandemic as we tried — an end this year but post—pandemic as we tried to get the nhs through recovery— as we tried to get the nhs through recovery back to normality, so it is able to _ recovery back to normality, so it is able to meet the demands being placed _ able to meet the demands being placed on it, i think it is right to look— placed on it, i think it is right to look at — placed on it, i think it is right to look at what community pharmacies already— look at what community pharmacies already do— look at what community pharmacies already do and perhaps what more they could — already do and perhaps what more they could do with the appropriate support— they could do with the appropriate support to deliver that. and they could do with the appropriate support to deliver that.— they could do with the appropriate support to deliver that. and a quick one. very briefly. _ support to deliver that. and a quick one. very briefly. this _ support to deliver that. and a quick one. very briefly. this is _ support to deliver that. and a quick one. very briefly. this is not i one. very briefly. this is not tinkering. — one. very briefly. this is not tinkering, these _ one. very briefly. this is not tinkering, these are - one. very briefly. this is not tinkering, these are big, i tinkering, these are big, significant reforms. in many countries you go to your pharmacist as richard said before your gp and i hope that starts to happen with us. but i think with the funding for prescriptions, that is absolutely a problem. i speak to some of my pharmacist very regularly about this. i would say there is a £645 million package to accompany this so it actually gives pharmacists more money for doing this and helps to ensure that pharmacies can grow and survive. there are more pharmacies now than there were in 2010, so some

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