this is bbc news — the headlines. islamichhad militants have confirmed a ceasefire is in effect in the gaza strip. it was brokered by egypt. egypt said the deal included an end to targeting civilians and house demolitions. the truce follows five days of violent exchanges which have killed at least 35 people. pope francis and president zelensky have held talks at the vatican — with both men agreeing on the need for continuing humanitarian efforts to support ukraine's population. while failing to directly condemn russia — the pope stressed the urgent need for "human gestures" towards the most fragile people. the eurovision song contest grand final has got underway in the english city of liverpool.

acts from 26 countries will vie for the title. the united kingdom is hosting eurovision on behalf of last year's winners ukraine — who can't stage it because of the war with russia. results on the website. now on bbc news — political thinking with nick robinson. who was the star of the coronation? apart that is, from their majesties the king and queen. the answer most watching would surely agree is the bearer of the sword of state, all £8 bearer of the sword of state, all e8 of it, held aloft for a muscle straining 51 minutes. my guest on political thinking, a conversation

with rather than interrogation of someone who shapes our political thinking. it was a feat performed by the first woman to do the job at the coronation, penny mordaunt, and it won the admiration of people who are normally her political foes. she did it as lord president of the council, her dayjob as leader of the house of commons, and that performance led to the bookies cutting the odds on her becoming the next leader of the conservative party. worth remembering, she came mighty close to getting thejob remembering, she came mighty close to getting the job and becoming a prime minister last summer after borisjohnson was forced out. penny mordaunt, welcome to political thinking. you had to have your entire focus on a few square feet inside the abbey. when did you first realise that you had become one of the stars of the show? i realise that you had become one of the stars of the show?— the stars of the show? i was separated — the stars of the show? i was separated from _ the stars of the show? i was separated from social - the stars of the show? i was separated from social media the stars of the show? i was . separated from social media for quite some time and a little bit of

time afterwards because i didn't have my phone with me, and i was just so glad to get through it and that it all went according to plan. you rehearse and rehearse and know all the things that can go wrong and i wanted the king to be in the right moment and to be still and centre than have the spiritual experience which he should have in that moment. it was just which he should have in that moment. it wasjust a which he should have in that moment. it was just a great relief, and then afterwards i was reunited with my phone and found i had become a member. ~ . ., , phone and found i had become a member. ~ . ., ., member. which was your favourite? -- meme. member. which was your favourite? -- meme- the _ member. which was your favourite? -- meme. the poundland _ member. which was your favourite? -- meme. the poundland branding - member. which was your favourite? -- meme. the poundland branding was i member. which was your favourite? --j meme. the poundland branding was an early adapted — meme. the poundland branding was an early adopted meme, _ meme. the poundland branding was an early adopted meme, i— meme. the poundland branding was an early adopted meme, i was _ meme. the poundland branding was an early adopted meme, i was holding - early adopted meme, i was holding various things, a kebabs. the penny is miuhtier various things, a kebabs. the penny is mightier than _ various things, a kebabs. the penny is mightier than the _ various things, a kebabs. the penny is mightier than the sword. - various things, a kebabs. the penny is mightier than the sword. i - various things, a kebabs. the penny is mightier than the sword. i say - is mightier than the sword. i say well done _ is mightier than the sword. i say well done to _ is mightier than the sword. i say well done to the _ is mightier than the sword. i say well done to the great _ is mightier than the sword. is: well done to the great british public for all their efforts, all

appreciated. public for all their efforts, all appreciated-— public for all their efforts, all a- reciated. ., , ., appreciated. you never seemed to have a bead _ appreciated. you never seemed to have a bead of _ appreciated. you never seemed to have a bead of sweat _ appreciated. you never seemed to have a bead of sweat on _ appreciated. you never seemed to have a bead of sweat on you - appreciated. you never seemed to have a bead of sweat on you but i appreciated. you never seemed to l have a bead of sweat on you but you must have been thinking about those things. the most obvious thing that might have happened as you might have run out of muscle power to hold it up. have run out of muscle power to hold it u -. ., have run out of muscle power to hold it u . _ ., ., , have run out of muscle power to hold it u. . . , ., have run out of muscle power to hold itu. . ., ., it up. that was never going to ha en. it up. that was never going to happen- i _ it up. that was never going to happen- i was _ it up. that was never going to happen. i was all— it up. that was never going to happen. i was all right, - it up. that was never going to happen. i was all right, and l it up. that was never going to happen. iwas all right, and if| happen. i was all right, and if there was a highly emotional time it was the thursday when we ran through it twice with lots of standing around in between and at the end of it i was quite tired, but having done it i knew i could do the service and i knew what everyone else was doing and we were all there as a team making sure everything went according to plan. it was great and i was able to enjoy it and just to be part of it and sing my heart out on the way out. haifa to be part of it and sing my heart out on the way out.— to be part of it and sing my heart out on the way out. how much pumping of ion was there _ out on the way out. how much pumping of ion was there before _ out on the way out. how much pumping of ion was there before you _ out on the way out. how much pumping of ion was there before you picked - of ion was there before you picked up of ion was there before you picked up the sword? to of ion was there before you picked up the sword?— up the sword? to the story has developed _ up the sword? to the story has developed and _ up the sword? to the story has developed and run _ up the sword? to the story has developed and run away - up the sword? to the story has developed and run away with l up the sword? to the story has - developed and run away with itself, i was not in the gym for six months

before it. six. i was not in the gym for six months before it. ,, ._ i was not in the gym for six months before it._ you _ i was not in the gym for six months before it._ you want - i was not in the gym for six months before it._ you want to . before it. six days? you want to make sure _ before it. six days? you want to make sure you _ before it. six days? you want to make sure you are _ before it. six days? you want to make sure you are in _ before it. six days? you want to make sure you are in good - before it. six days? you want to make sure you are in good nick| before it. six days? you want to i make sure you are in good nick and before it. six days? you want to - make sure you are in good nick and i took a couple of painkillers beforehand just to make sure i was going to be all right, but it is fine. it is all good and we got through it and it is only half of the ceremony i had to carry the sword of state, which is really heavy, and then i traded it in for the very exquisite jewelled sword of offering. for the very exquisite “ewelled sword of offerina. ., ., , the very exquisite “ewelled sword of offerina. ., . , . , the very exquisite “ewelled sword of offerina. ., . , ., , ., offering. for the really heavy one, what are the _ offering. for the really heavy one, what are the tips _ offering. for the really heavy one, what are the tips if _ offering. for the really heavy one, what are the tips if god _ offering. for the really heavy one, what are the tips if god help - offering. for the really heavy one, what are the tips if god help us i offering. for the really heavy one, what are the tips if god help us in | what are the tips if god help us in a few years' time someone else has to do thejob. a few years' time someone else has to do the job. what are the tricks to do the job. what are the tricks to holding that sword? it is to holding that sword? it is practice. — to holding that sword? it is practice, like _ to holding that sword? it 3 practice, like anything you are preparing for, don't leave anything to chance. have a good breakfast, wear comfortable shoes. i had a great team with me, because the chaps who got no plaudits at all are the former defence chief standing with the other swords in the ceremony, we were all there

supporting each other and we had obviously been talking under our breath at each other in rehearsals keeping each other going. striking that ou keeping each other going. striking that you were _ keeping each other going. striking that you were the _ keeping each other going. striking that you were the first _ keeping each other going. striking that you were the first women i keeping each other going. striking that you were the first women to l that you were the first women to perform the role and also for the address. you have been described variously as a cross between an egyptian goddess and an air stewardess, a modern—day brunnhilde or princess leia. i stewardess, a modern-day brunnhilde or princess leia.— or princess leia. i am not sure that is the look — or princess leia. i am not sure that is the look i — or princess leia. i am not sure that is the look i was _ or princess leia. i am not sure that is the look i was going _ or princess leia. i am not sure that is the look i was going for, - or princess leia. i am not sure that is the look i was going for, but i is the look i was going for, but what my predecessor would have worn as the formal court dress of the privy council which is black, which was not permitted to be worn at the coronation. and it was very old—fashioned. i had the sense of what kind of coordination was trying to be created and it was a modern one but with those historic references and i thought i would wear a modern—day address, the

address and the hat, anyone can go online and buy those designs, and the embroidery on it wisely the nod to the past, so i found out who did the embroidery for the privy council uniforms and i said, could you feminise the motif and put it on this address? a company called hand and locke did thejob and this address? a company called hand and locke did the job and the rest is now history. find and locke did the “0b and the rest is now history.— is now history. and the reason for the motif is _ is now history. and the reason for the motif is your _ is now history. and the reason for the motif is yourjob _ is now history. and the reason for the motif is yourjob title, - is now history. and the reason for the motif is yourjob title, lord i the motif is yourjob title, lord president of the council. although it is one of the great offices of state, most people you meet i suspect say, come again, what is the lord president of the council? i am lord president of the council? i am the chair of — lord president of the council? i am the chair of the _ lord president of the council? i am the chair of the king's _ lord president of the council? i—h the chair of the king's privy council which back in the day used to be the executive for the king. it still meets and carries out business. we never televise the privy council in the closest people

will have seen is the accession council which is another duty i performed in this role. the first du ou performed in this role. the first duty you performed _ performed in this role. the first duty you performed just - performed in this role. the first duty you performed just days i performed in this role. the first i duty you performed just days after the job after the death of her majesty the queen. that the job after the death of her majesty the queen. the job after the death of her ma'es the queen. . ., , , ., majesty the queen. that was 'ust an incredible week, i majesty the queen. that was 'ust an incredible week, and i majesty the queen. that was 'ust an incredible week, and just i majesty the queen. that was 'ust an incredible week, and just the i majesty the queen. that was just an incredible week, and just the huge . incredible week, and just the huge privilege for me to be there at that time and to do my bit to help the royalfamily and the time and to do my bit to help the royal family and the nation through that very turbulent and uncertain time. , , ., ., time. did you find that the accession _ time. did you find that the accession council- time. did you find that the accession council when i time. did you find that the | accession council when you time. did you find that the i accession council when you had time. did you find that the - accession council when you had to make that extraordinarily poignant announcement, my lords, it is my sad duty to inform you that our gracious majesty queen elizabeth ii has passed away, however much you are prepared to thought about that it must be quite hard to say it without, i think you are gulping now. it without, i think you are gulping now. , s without, i think you are gulping now. , ., . , without, i think you are gulping now. , . . , ., ., now. it is an incredible moment and ou are now. it is an incredible moment and you are very —

now. it is an incredible moment and you are very conscious _ now. it is an incredible moment and you are very conscious that - now. it is an incredible moment and you are very conscious that how i now. it is an incredible moment and| you are very conscious that how well you are very conscious that how well you do in that role is going to have an impact on an enormous number of people, notjust in our country but around the world, who are grieving, who felt, even if they did not know her personally, that they knew her, and that she was almost part of their family. and that she was almost part of theirfamily. as i said in my tribute, she felt like part of their family because she had shared her family because she had shared her family with us. fight! family because she had shared her family with us.— family with us. and do you think our family with us. and do you think your background _ family with us. and do you think your background and _ family with us. and do you think your background and the - family with us. and do you think l your background and the services, royal navy reserves and you represent portsmouth, a navy time, your father was a paratrooper, represent portsmouth, a navy time, yourfather was a paratrooper, was that preparation both mentalfor what you are doing back to a certain extent physical as well? absolutely, both. i extent physical as well? absolutely, both- i have — extent physical as well? absolutely, both. i have to _ extent physical as well? absolutely, both. i have to say _ extent physical as well? absolutely, both. i have to say the _ extent physical as well? absolutely, both. i have to say the training i extent physical as well? absolutely, both. i have to say the training you | both. i have to say the training you receive, in my experience in the navy but actually in any service, is second to none. and it is about

service. it is about enduring horrible things sometimes, it is about thinking of others and putting other people before yourself, all of those things, and keeping your morale up and others while you are going about it. morale up and others while you are going about it— going about it. your father was a paratrooper- _ going about it. your father was a paratrooper. did _ going about it. your father was a paratrooper. did you _ going about it. your father was a paratrooper. did you grow- going about it. your father was a paratrooper. did you grow up i going about it. your father was a paratrooper. did you grow up inl going about it. your father was a | paratrooper. did you grow up in a very disciplined house? was it quite an austere house? trio. very disciplined house? was it quite an austere house?— an austere house? no, it wasn't austere at _ an austere house? no, it wasn't austere at all. _ an austere house? no, it wasn't austere at all. my _ an austere house? no, it wasn't austere at all. my parents i an austere house? no, it wasn't austere at all. my parents were | austere at all. my parents were absolutely wonderful, growing up in absolutely wonderful, growing up in a house full of love and laughter, and we had structure, both my parents were teachers, so they would set as extra homework and things like that, but it was a wonderful childhood. like that, but it was a wonderful childhood-— like that, but it was a wonderful childhood. . , , , childhood. until the awful illness of our childhood. until the awful illness of your parents. _ childhood. until the awful illness of your parents. my _ childhood. until the awful illness of your parents. my mother- childhood. until the awful illness of your parents. my mother got i childhood. until the awful illness i of your parents. my mother got her diainosis of your parents. my mother got her diagnosis when _ of your parents. my mother got her diagnosis when i _ of your parents. my mother got her diagnosis when i was _ of your parents. my mother got her diagnosis when i was 13 _ of your parents. my mother got her diagnosis when i was 13 and - of your parents. my mother got her diagnosis when i was 13 and she i of your parents. my mother got her. diagnosis when i was 13 and she died when i was 15. aha,

diagnosis when i was 13 and she died when i was 15-— when i was 15. a diagnosis of cancer. when i was 15. a diagnosis of cancer- so — when i was 15. a diagnosis of cancer. so she _ when i was 15. a diagnosis of cancer. so she died - when i was 15. a diagnosis of cancer. so she died of i when i was 15. a diagnosis of cancer. so she died of a i when i was 15. a diagnosis of i cancer. so she died of a secondary brain cancer. _ cancer. so she died of a secondary brain cancer, and _ cancer. so she died of a secondary brain cancer, and so _ cancer. so she died of a secondary brain cancer, and so from - cancer. so she died of a secondary brain cancer, and so from 13 i cancer. so she died of a secondary i brain cancer, and so from 13 onwards i was really caring for the family. your two brothers?— i was really caring for the family. your two brothers? yes, one of my brothers was _ your two brothers? yes, one of my brothers was my — your two brothers? yes, one of my brothers was my twin _ your two brothers? yes, one of my brothers was my twin and - your two brothers? yes, one of my brothers was my twin and a - your two brothers? yes, one of my| brothers was my twin and a younger brothers was my twin and a younger brother as well, but we were running the household. my father had a lot on his plate and had to work very hard to keep things going, so we did all the cooking and laundry and kept the houses going, and i don't want to get the violins out, because actually this happens to a lot of people, but what it does again teach you, it is about resilience, it is about taking care of people, and i think those experiences although they are tough at the time, they help me every day, and they looked

like i see people in my surgery who are going through similar things and are going through similar things and are exhausted and stressed out about things and need support and encouragement, and it has helped me be empathetic i think to people in those circumstances. did be empathetic i think to people in those circumstances.— those circumstances. did you as a care in your _ those circumstances. did you as a care in your teens _ those circumstances. did you as a care in your teens lose _ those circumstances. did you as a care in your teens lose your i those circumstances. did you as a l care in your teens lose your normal teenage years? i care in your teens lose your normal teenage years?— teenage years? i thinki did a bit, i was teenage years? ithinki did a bit, i was never— teenage years? i thinki did a bit, i was never one _ teenage years? ithinki did a bit, i was never one of— teenage years? i thinki did a bit, i was never one of the _ teenage years? ithinki did a bit, i was never one of the cool- teenage years? i thinki did a bit, i was never one of the cool kids l teenage years? i thinki did a bit, i i was never one of the cool kids who was always invited to lots of parties. i was never that person. i worked, as soon as i could i was earning money. worked, as soon as i could i was earning money-— earning money. including as a magicians _ earning money. including as a magicians assistant. - earning money. including as a magicians assistant. i- earning money. including as aj magicians assistant. i thought earning money. including as a i magicians assistant. i thought that would make you quite cool to have a at a party. {lin would make you quite cool to have a at a -a . ._ would make you quite cool to have a ata -a . ., would make you quite cool to have a ataa . ., at a party. on friday and saturday niihts at a party. on friday and saturday nihts i at a party. on friday and saturday nights i was _ at a party. on friday and saturday nights i was not _ at a party. on friday and saturday

nights i was not at _ at a party. on friday and saturday nights i was not at the _ at a party. on friday and saturday nights i was not at the disco, i i at a party. on friday and saturday| nights i was not at the disco, i was touring the country and being sawn in half. well ayling, the magician, a very famous illusionist, and his signature trick, i was sawn into three pieces and then put back together again. three pieces and then put back togetheragain. but three pieces and then put back together again. but it was great, and when i first went to party conference which at the time was in bournemouth i knew all the hotels because i had been sawn in half and most of them over the course of a few years. most of them over the course of a few years-— few years. tell us the secret, how does it work? _ few years. tell us the secret, how does it work? if _ few years. tell us the secret, how does it work? if i _ few years. tell us the secret, how does it work? if i was _ few years. tell us the secret, how does it work? if i was to _ few years. tell us the secret, how does it work? if i was to tell i few years. tell us the secret, how does it work? if i was to tell you l does it work? if i was to tell you terrible things _ does it work? if i was to tell you terrible things would _ does it work? if i was to tell you terrible things would happen i does it work? if i was to tell you terrible things would happen so | does it work? if i was to tell you | terrible things would happen so i can't, i'm afraid. fight! terrible things would happen so i can't, i'm afraid.— terrible things would happen so i can't, i'm afraid. and you have been a performer— can't, i'm afraid. and you have been a performerfor_ can't, i'm afraid. and you have been a performer for a _ can't, i'm afraid. and you have been a performer for a while _ can't, i'm afraid. and you have been a performer for a while because i can't, i'm afraid. and you have been a performer for a while because you | a performerfor a while because you were at theatre school. mi; a performer for a while because you were at theatre school.— a performer for a while because you were at theatre school. my twin and i did that, it— were at theatre school. my twin and i did that, it was _ were at theatre school. my twin and i did that, it was a _ were at theatre school. my twin and i did that, it was a hobby, _ were at theatre school. my twin and i did that, it was a hobby, i - were at theatre school. my twin and i did that, it was a hobby, i was i were at theatre school. my twin and i did that, it was a hobby, i was a i i did that, it was a hobby, i was a dancer as well, i was trained in ballet, and i love music and i love dance and the arts. it ballet, and i love music and i love dance and the arts.— ballet, and i love music and i love

dance and the arts. it seems to me lookini at dance and the arts. it seems to me looking at your _ dance and the arts. it seems to me looking at your career _ dance and the arts. it seems to me looking at your career that - dance and the arts. it seems to me looking at your career that you i dance and the arts. it seems to me| looking at your career that you have often used this ability to perform, this ability to connect with people, whether it is with that speech you had to give at the house of commons. a forfeit for misdemeanour and the navy? a forfeit for misdemeanour and the na ? ., , , ., ., a forfeit for misdemeanour and the na ? ., , ., ., , navy? humour is important and it is not everything _ navy? humour is important and it is not everything and _ navy? humour is important and it is not everything and should _ navy? humour is important and it is not everything and should never- navy? humour is important and it is not everything and should never getj not everything and should never get in the way of kindness but humour does help. in the way of kindness but humour does hel. ~ .,, in the way of kindness but humour doeshel-. s ,, . in the way of kindness but humour doeshel_ . ,, . ., . , does help. was the speech formally, technically about _ does help. was the speech formally, technically about poultry? _ does help. was the speech formally, technically about poultry? a - does help. was the speech formally, technically about poultry? a minor i technically about poultry? a minor misdemeanour _ technically about poultry? a minor misdemeanour at _ technically about poultry? a minor misdemeanour at a _ technically about poultry? a minor misdemeanour at a mess - technically about poultry? a minor misdemeanour at a mess and i i technically about poultry? a minor| misdemeanour at a mess and i was fined and i paid my dues. ahshd misdemeanour at a mess and i was fined and i paid my dues.— fined and i paid my dues. and you had to say — fined and i paid my dues. and you had to say the _ fined and i paid my dues. and you had to say the word _ fined and i paid my dues. and you had to say the word how- fined and i paid my dues. and you had to say the word how many i fined and i paid my dues. and you i had to say the word how many times? that was the easy part. there were two parts, ifully recognise that was the easy part. there were two parts, i fully recognise why people focus on one part but i also had to get all the officers names into the speech as well, which is actually the thing that was the most

difficult, but i survived that, and i got re—elected. it difficult, but i survived that, and i got re-elected._ i got re-elected. it clearly was accepted- _ i got re-elected. it clearly was accepted- in — i got re-elected. it clearly was accepted. in the _ i got re-elected. it clearly was accepted. in the job _ i got re-elected. it clearly was accepted. in the job you i i got re-elected. it clearly was accepted. in the job you do . i got re-elected. it clearly was. accepted. in the job you do now and the dayjob really is leader of the house of commons, in charge of the business of the house of commons, you gave a speech about trust and the importance of restoring trust, now you have already explained that you believe rhetorically politicians have to form a connection with people. why has it gone, trust? i think there are a whole raft of reasons why and in the book i wrote which in part looked at modernising every aspect of our life, but it focused on parliament. i think there are a whole variety of reasons why people lose faith in those institutions. i set out what i

called the timeline of trust dk, which was a whole series of scandals which was a whole series of scandals which when you write them all down is incredible, so partly it is about... is incredible, so partly it is about - -— is incredible, so partly it is i about. . ._ all is incredible, so partly it is - about. . ._ all of is incredible, so partly it is about... ~ , , ,, allofthat about... mps expenses... all of that but across — about... mps expenses... all of that but across every _ about... mps expenses... all of that but across every walk _ about... mps expenses... all of that but across every walk of _ about... mps expenses... all of that but across every walk of life - but across every walk of life leadership is failing in all walks of life. �* leadership is failing in all walks oflife. ., ., of life. don't you have to say that the way the _ of life. don't you have to say that the way the tory _ of life. don't you have to say that the way the tory party _ of life. don't you have to say that the way the tory party has - of life. don't you have to say that l the way the tory party has behaved over the last year, endless changes of leadership, borisjohnson's behaviour over covid, ignoring civil servants and advisers on the running of the economy, those have also contributed, but not the only reason, to the decay interest? i think that is the case and i have apologised for it previously. the world we live in now moves at an incredibly fast pace, it is incredibly fast pace, it is incredibly complicated with all kinds of emerging threats that people don't know how to deal with,

and people want things they can rely on under depend upon, and i think the prime minister really does recognise that, and when he was setting out at the beginning of the year his priorities he is focusing on he also spoke about restoring that trust and i know that is what he wants me to do in this role. you have referred _ he wants me to do in this role. you have referred to _ he wants me to do in this role. you have referred to his agenda, the conservative party clearly in a very deep electoral hole. some people think the way to get out of it is to be anti—walk —— anti—woke. is that a route to success in your mind? to draws route to success in your mind? “if? draws back to where we started, we have just had a weekend where we have just had a weekend where we have remembered what we all have in common, we have these incredible

moments in our history, where we come together, where we are either standing again something, which is why i think they make so many films about wartime effort, and we are all pulling together, but you have choices to make in the politics and the choice i choose to make is to remind us all what we have in common. is remind us all what we have in common-— remind us all what we have in common. , ., ., ., common. is it possible to do that in divided times _ common. is it possible to do that in divided times like _ common. is it possible to do that in divided times like this? _ common. is it possible to do that in divided times like this? part - common. is it possible to do that in divided times like this? part of- common. is it possible to do that in divided times like this? part of our| divided times like this? part of our role is to bring _ divided times like this? part of our role is to bring people _ divided times like this? part of our role is to bring people together, i role is to bring people together, and we have enough things to worry about than starting spots twitter and so forth. our culture wars. there are serious and complex social issues, but actually when the public have been left to get on with these things themselves, they develop solutions, they develop norms, and most people in this country care about other people and their ability to lead their lives, so that is

always the view i have taken and thatis always the view i have taken and that is one reason why i am in politics. it that is one reason why i am in olitics. , ., , ., that is one reason why i am in olitics. , ., ., politics. it is a view you paid a heavy price — politics. it is a view you paid a heavy price for— politics. it is a view you paid a heavy price for because - politics. it is a view you paid a heavy price for because when | politics. it is a view you paid a i heavy price for because when you politics. it is a view you paid a - heavy price for because when you ran for a leader, the daily mail in particular ran a whole series of stories designed to discredit you, to derail your leadership, some say the telegraph that it is well, really about the stand you had taken, i think are rooted in your own experience with your brother james who is gay. you spoke in the commons and you said back in the 19805, commons and you said back in the 1980s, we saw the homophobia that gay men faced at the time, and you said that same scenario is happening now to the trans community, and thus began really a path for you that politically has been very difficult. i think people will conflate all sorts of things, so my own views have always been very clear on this

and they were very clear throughout the whole leadership contest. i see no incompatibility with being a kind and understanding and protecting the ability for trans people to go around and live their lives with protecting my rights as a woman to privacy and dignity and all of that. you are incredibly close to your twin brother, you said you looked after him and he looked after you when you were growing up. for him it has gone too far and he has tweeted at times about this. he says if you are a member of the conservative party, part of this homophobic, trans phobic government, you are complicit, he said at one stage. is thatjust one of those examples where the political and the personal clash in a way that is very awkward?

it is not awkward. people have different views, members of my family have different views, and thatis family have different views, and that is democracy. there will be people that say that that makes as weak as a society, brexit to being another issue of great division. it doesn't, these things make us strong. doesn't, these things make us stronu. ., ., , , doesn't, these things make us stronu. ., .,, , ., strong. you will hope there is not i am sure another— strong. you will hope there is not i am sure another leadership - strong. you will hope there is not i | am sure another leadership contest for a little while at least. did you pause for a moment and reflect on one of my favourite memes of your performance at the coronation where it says you have been holding the sword for longer than liz truss was prime minister.— prime minister. poor liz, i think she has obviously _ prime minister. poor liz, i think she has obviously been - prime minister. poor liz, i think she has obviously been through | prime minister. poor liz, i think. she has obviously been through a pretty awful time, but my thoughts

have always been with the country and pulling them through what was an incredibly turbulent time. there and pulling them through what was an incredibly turbulent time.— incredibly turbulent time. there is an irony that _ incredibly turbulent time. there is an irony that maybe _ incredibly turbulent time. there is an irony that maybe she _ incredibly turbulent time. there is an irony that maybe she gave - incredibly turbulent time. there is an irony that maybe she gave this| an irony that maybe she gave this job to give you a low profile because she was worried about your popular appeal. because she was worried about your popularappeal. i because she was worried about your popular appeal-— popular appeal. i can speculate as to the reasons _ popular appeal. i can speculate as to the reasons but _ popular appeal. i can speculate as to the reasons but if _ popular appeal. i can speculate as to the reasons but if that - popular appeal. i can speculate as to the reasons but if that was - popular appeal. i can speculate as to the reasons but if that was the | to the reasons but if that was the planet has not worked out well. she will be thinking again about that. going back to that summer when you run for the leadership, only last summer, can you believe it was that recently, do you think there was a conspiracy to keep you out of the last two because they all knew the members would choose you? i last two because they all knew the members would choose you? i think ou can members would choose you? i think you can think about _ members would choose you? i think you can think about these _ members would choose you? i think you can think about these things - members would choose you? iiii�*u “la; you can think about these things and speculate about all these things, my view in politics as you will have opportunities, you have to make the most of those opportunities and do

your best and make sure you're doing things for the right reasons and you have to stick to your principles on things, and if you are not successful, you move on, and you make use of the next opportunity. when i got in in 2010 it was not the first time i had run in my seat, and i served in liz truss's government, i served in liz truss's government, i am serving an rishi sunak�*s government, i hope if you ask them they would both say they felt really supported by me. i they would both say they felt really supported by me— they would both say they felt really supported by me. i wonder like many watchin: it supported by me. i wonder like many watching it made _ supported by me. i wonder like many watching it made you _ supported by me. i wonder like many watching it made you pause - supported by me. i wonder like many watching it made you pause for- watching it made you pause for thought at the coronation, but five x conservative prime minister is lining up to go into the abbey, five over seven years, does it make you pause for thought and think, and i really right for thatjob because it is a job you clearly want. i really right for that job because it is a job you clearly want.- is a 'ob you clearly want. i think ou is a job you clearly want. i think ou have is a job you clearly want. i think you have to _ is a job you clearly want. i think you have to think _ is a job you clearly want. i think you have to think why _ is a job you clearly want. i think you have to think why you - is a job you clearly want. i think

you have to think why you are i you have to think why you are motivated to do particular things. i would not have put myself forward for that role if i were not prepared to do it and have wanted to do it, but i also think you need to recognise what it is that you are bringing to that role, what it is you are trying to achieve, and i think the people who are happiest in politics, whatever level they are serving at, are people who have a clear view about what they want to achieve and why they are doing it. it is interesting you say that because you took flak notjust for alleged changes in your possession but for not being up for it, to be crude about it. iain dale, a conservative commentator and pretty sympathetic said, that one thing that dogs penny is the number of people who seem to think she is not up people who seem to think she is not up to thejob people who seem to think she is not up to the job intellectually, it is always men who make the suggestion, the fact she appears on the tv show

in a swimsuit appears to count against her. does it feel that way sometimes? i against her. does it feel that way sometimes?— against her. does it feel that way sometimes? . ., :: , ., ., ., sometimes? i am a 50-year-old women, these attitudes — sometimes? i am a 50-year-old women, these attitudes are _ sometimes? i am a 50-year-old women, these attitudes are not _ sometimes? i am a 50-year-old women, these attitudes are not news _ sometimes? i am a 50-year-old women, these attitudes are not news to _ sometimes? i am a 50-year-old women, these attitudes are not news to me, - these attitudes are not news to me, and i think most women have had that said about them at some point in their careers. what is important as you know what you are about. there is a famous statistic that when there is a meeting to encourage people to run for office, the average time it takes for a man to pretend on their cv from the preliminary meeting is about a week and for women it is over a year. we tend to think about all the things that we need to do and improve, and generally, it is a generalisation, women prepared really well for what they are about to do, coronation sword holding included.-

sword holding included. penny mordaunt, _ sword holding included. penny mordaunt, president - sword holding included. penny mordaunt, president of - sword holding included. penny mordaunt, president of the . sword holding included. penny- mordaunt, president of the council, bearer of the sword of state, thank you for being on political thinking. penny had no choice whether to do thisjob or not penny had no choice whether to do this job or not but she had a choice about how she did it. and what is clear is that the girl who was the magicians assistant who went to theatre school and performed on the telly and atv diving show believes in the power of performance, believes in the significance of connecting with people, believes that the key test of political leadership is character. she wasn't crude enough to say so, but if she runs to beat tory leader again, expect to makejust runs to beat tory leader again, expect to make just that point and expect to make just that point and expect to make just that point and expect to see that image, with that sword and that address, again, again and again. thanks for watching.

hello there. although parts of east and south—east england remain grey and quite cool all day, much of the country had a very fine and sunny start to the weekend. part two of the weekend looks quite mixed. there will be some sunshine around, particularly in wales and england. but scotland and northern ireland will start to see this weather front moving in off the atlantic, bringing outbreaks of cloud and rain, and a drop in temperature. but high pressure will bring us a fine evening and night. largely clear skies for many, but that low grey cloud across the east will start to roll back westwards again for much of eastern england and the midlands. western scotland and northern ireland will be turning wetter and breezy as that weather front pushes in. so quite a mixture of temperatures. quite cool under clear skies. but generally, for most, 6 to 8 degrees. sunday then, we start off with some sunshine around. that grey weather across the east

of england should tend to improve. the clouds burning back to the coast. one or two showers in the afternoon through the midlands. this weather front will start to move out of scotland and northern ireland. it brightens up later in the day with a few showers that will feel much cooler for scotland and northern ireland. low to mid—teens. sunny spells across parts of england and wales. again, we could be up to 20—21 degrees. sunday night, that weather front weakens — it continues to push eastward, bringing cloud, some patchy rain, clearer skies, one or two blustery showers across the north and west of scotland but under those clear skies, with this cool air mass, it's going to be a chilly night to come here. for south—eastern areas where we have the weather front, the cloud and rain generally seven to 10 degrees. that weather front clears away eventually and we see some further showers around the edge of this area of high pressure which will bring us north, north—westerly winds. showers for northern scotland, northern and eastern england, some of these running down to east anglia and south—east into the afternoon. the best of the sunshine

towards the south and west. we could be up to 15 degrees here, but you'll see it's a much cooler day across the board. ranging between ten and 13 celsius. that is below par for this time in may. the cool air hangs around through tuesday and again into wednesday, particularly towards northern and eastern areas but very slowly we'll start to see those yellow—orange colours returning. so it will start quite chilly through the week with some showers around but temperatures will recover towards the end of the week and because it's higher pressure nearby, we should stay mostly dry.

live from washington. this is bbc news. a ceasefire brokered between islamichhad militants and israel — but reports already of rockets fired along the border between israel and the gaza strip. volodymyr zelensky and the pope hold talks at the vatican — but the pontiff stops short of directly condeming russia's invasion of ukraine. # instead i wrote a song # bout how you did me wrong # i could've cried at home # and spent the night alone # instead i wrote a song...# and — united in music: the grand final of the 2023 eurovision song contest is about to crown a winner. hello i'm carl nasman, thanks forjoining us.

in just the last few hours, a ceasefire between israel