good morning. hope you had a brilliant weekend. welcome to the nation's 49. do we need foreign labour? there labour shortages dawn they are three of the major points that the home secretary suella braverman will make in a speech on immigration today. that it is not xenophobic to call mass migration "unsustainable". that there is "no good reason" the uk cannot train its own lorry drivers, butchers and fruit pickers. we must not forget how to do

things for ourselves. what do you think? is limiting foreign labour about embracing opportunities and spirit as brexit, as the home secretary will say? that brexit enables us to build a high skilled economy that is less dependent on foreign labour, or is this cutting is on the national nose to spite the national face? does the uk need to reduce its reliance on foreign workers? are british workers ready and willing to fill the gap? our british workersjust our british workers just as good? do we need foreign labour? get in touch. here is the news. the uk is set to

give more monetary support to ukraine, including air defence missiles and drones. downing street made the announcement as president zelensky arrived for talks with rishi sunak. senior doctors in england are voting on whether to strike. their union, the british medical association, said pay talks with the government ended on saturday, with the final offer it called unacceptable. the government urged to bma to consider the impact on patients. the head of the royal couege on patients. the head of the royal college of nursing has called on the health secretary to restart the talks. the union this meeting in brighton and will ballot a further strike action. its six—month mandate ran out at the start of the month. and the home secretary will say the government needs to remember a selection promise to get overall migration numbers down, when she addresses a gathering of right—wing conservatives later. it is being seen as a response to some and her party to see more migrants are

needed to tackle worker shortages —— some in her party. that's what we're talking about, british workers, the shortage of labour. net migration figures are out soon, they could touch or top i million, and some say the home secretary is saying this ahead of the release of those figures. quite deliberately. by the way we are going to keep you up to speed with this this morning, of course. the ukraine president, zelensky, visiting the uk to meet rishi sunak, and any tweet he said he would meet his friend to hold substantial negotiation. we will bring you the latest. voices from the left and

right have said it and they said it during the campaign, foreign labour undercutting british wages. never mind undercutting british wages, does it undercut the very idea of brexit, the spirits of brexit reis and the other question, of course, that we are focusing on this morning, our british workers ready to step up and fill the gap? colours, text is from a good din, and many in the cabinet are mindful of labour shortages due to brexit and go and visa rules have been relaxed or adjusted in some sectors in recent years to tackle worker shortages, suella braverman doesn't like it. is this about pragmatism against purism? i wonder. what do you think? lets speak to les webster. good morning. and the chief

executive of the british meat processors association, hello, neck. great to have you both on. liz, how difficult is the situation at the moment but foreign workers because of brexit and covid, having left, how is it affected your sector? it has been really difficult for the farming sector, and as we know, other sectors as well. i have family in the food industry, they serve food at festivals and that sort of thing, they are suffering because seasonal work, the eu visa, the eu and freedom of movement was ideal for because people could pop over and put back home again. in fact, i did it when i was young, i went maize picking in france when i finished my a—levels, so it is a

really big loss for the industry and the country and i would assure people to think about this. we all think farmers are the only people in agriculture but if you eat or are involved in agriculture —— you are involved. so it is important to all of us. ~ ., ., ., ., involved. so it is important to all ofus. ., ., ., ., , of us. we love to hear from people in many sectors — of us. we love to hear from people in many sectors to _ of us. we love to hear from people in many sectors to see _ of us. we love to hear from people in many sectors to see how- of us. we love to hear from people in many sectors to see how this - of us. we love to hear from people | in many sectors to see how this has affected us. how about the argument that so much foreign labour undercut british wages? i that so much foreign labour undercut british wages?— british wages? i think it is a trope and i british wages? i think it is a trope and i don't _ british wages? i think it is a trope and i don't think— british wages? i think it is a trope and i don't think it _ british wages? i think it is a trope and i don't think it is _ british wages? i think it is a trope and i don't think it is true. - british wages? i think it is a trope and i don't think it is true. we - and i don't think it is true. we always had a minimum wage and i don't believe that that was actually the case, that foreign workers where undercutting british workers. of course since brexit it is possible, probably, for those things to happen, particularly if this government do go through with changing the employment regulations, the diversion from europe. so it is

one of those things that is a powerful argument at the time any campaign when people were hoping to improve on life, i suppose, in 2016, but actually now that we are in the weeds of brexit, what we are learning is that there are no movements, that i've managed to find, so this is where we are entities now becoming urgent and serious, because food is increasing in price so much and also, with climate change in the war in ukraine and covid, as we have discussed, for it is actually contracting globally and it is bringing problems for us in britain more so than our european counterparts because of brexit. let's bring on nick. what do you think about suella braverman's argument, the argument she will

articulate today, that basically there is no good reason the uk cannot train its own lorry drivers, own fruit pickers, meat processing people, some people to work in abattoirs and it's a long list... it is just a matter of brits, as abattoirs and it's a long list... it isjust a matter of brits, as it were, stepping up to the plate, nick? ., ., ., ., nick? yeah, to some degree, to a decree, nick? yeah, to some degree, to a degree. we _ nick? yeah, to some degree, to a degree. we can — nick? yeah, to some degree, to a degree, we can train _ nick? yeah, to some degree, to a degree, we can train workers, - degree, we can train workers, training — degree, we can train workers, training has never been the issue, actually, _ training has never been the issue, actually, it's— training has never been the issue, actually, it's finding people and people — actually, it's finding people and peorrle in— actually, it's finding people and people in the right place that want to do— people in the right place that want to do this, — people in the right place that want to do this, want to do the work, are willing _ to do this, want to do the work, are willing and — to do this, want to do the work, are willing and able. 0f to do this, want to do the work, are willing and able. of course, there is to a _ willing and able. of course, there is to a days — willing and able. of course, there is to a days here, on one side from a meet _ is to a days here, on one side from a meet point — is to a days here, on one side from a meet point of view we have been struggling — a meet point of view we have been struggling to find enough butchers, so when _ struggling to find enough butchers, so when brexit happened we were to 70% of— so when brexit happened we were to 70% of non—uk labour are most of that came — 70% of non—uk labour are most of that came from europe and we rely on the mobility— that came from europe and we rely on the mobility of labour, bringing

extra _ the mobility of labour, bringing extra people in a christmas—time, and at _ extra people in a christmas—time, and at the — extra people in a christmas—time, and at the moment it is a quiet time for us _ and at the moment it is a quiet time for us but _ and at the moment it is a quiet time for us but we — and at the moment it is a quiet time for us but we are still running about— for us but we are still running about 10%_ for us but we are still running about 10% short on staff and at peak we are _ about 10% short on staff and at peak we are about 15% short, so there are two issues _ we are about 15% short, so there are two issues here, can we have permanent labour? yes, we can train them, _ permanent labour? yes, we can train them, but _ permanent labour? yes, we can train them, but is — permanent labour? yes, we can train them, but is no question of training them, _ them, but is no question of training them, it— them, but is no question of training them, it is— them, but is no question of training them, it is the mobility of labour in this— them, it is the mobility of labour in this country being quite limited due to _ in this country being quite limited due to housing cost and things like that _ due to housing cost and things like that there — due to housing cost and things like that. there might be people willing to do the _ that. there might be people willing to do the work but they might be miles— to do the work but they might be miles and — to do the work but they might be miles and miles from a meat factory where _ miles and miles from a meat factory where the _ miles and miles from a meat factory where the work is, so it's more complicated than actuallyjust... complicated than actually just. .. that the — complicated than actuallyjust... that the industry not being willing to train— that the industry not being willing to train them, we are training them and have— to train them, we are training them and have made progress in the last year so _ and have made progress in the last ear so. ., ., ., ., year so. helena, from in haulage firm in norfolk, _ year so. helena, from in haulage firm in norfolk, you _ year so. helena, from in haulage firm in norfolk, you had - year so. helena, from in haulage firm in norfolk, you had to - year so. helena, from in haulage firm in norfolk, you had to close| firm in norfolk, you had to close recently. firm in norfolk, you had to close recentl . ., . ., recently. good morning. what business wants _ recently. good morning. what business wants to _ recently. good morning. what business wants to operate - recently. good morning. what business wants to operate at l recently. good morning. what. business wants to operate at less than l% _ business wants to operate at less than l% profit _ business wants to operate at less than 1% profit margin? _ business wants to operate at less than 1% profit margin? you're -

business wants to operate at lessj than 1% profit margin? you're not business wants to operate at less . than 1% profit margin? you're not in business _ than 1% profit margin? you're not in business to— than 1% profit margin? you're not in business to run _ than 1% profit margin? you're not in business to run 1%, _ than 1% profit margin? you're not in business to run 1%, so _ than 1% profit margin? you're not in business to run 1%, so that's - than 1% profit margin? you're not in business to run 1%, so that's the - business to run 1%, so that's the reason _ business to run 1%, so that's the reason why— business to run 1%, so that's the reason why nry _ business to run 1%, so that's the reason why my family— business to run 1%, so that's the reason why my family business i business to run 1%, so that's the - reason why my family business closed on the _ reason why my family business closed on the blst _ reason why my family business closed on the blst of — reason why my family business closed on the 31st of march _ reason why my family business closed on the 31st of march this _ reason why my family business closed on the 31st of march this year. - reason why my family business closed on the 31st of march this year. it - on the 31st of march this year. it is not _ on the 31st of march this year. it is not worth— on the 31st of march this year. it is not worth doing. _ on the 31st of march this year. it is not worth doing. do— on the 31st of march this year. it is not worth doing.— on the 31st of march this year. it is not worth doing. do we need more foreian is not worth doing. do we need more foreign labour— is not worth doing. do we need more foreign labour are _ is not worth doing. do we need more foreign labour are less _ is not worth doing. do we need more foreign labour are less valid - is not worth doing. do we need more foreign labour are less valid only - foreign labour are less valid only for? , , ., foreign labour are less valid only for? ,, ., ., foreign labour are less valid only for? ,, ., "if foreign labour are less valid only for? ,, ., "in ,, for? less foreign labour, 110% less foreian for? less foreign labour, 110% less foreign labour. _ for? less foreign labour, 11096 less foreign labour. unfortunately- for? less foreign labour, 11096 less foreign labour. unfortunately this | foreign labour. unfortunately this country— foreign labour. unfortunately this country is — foreign labour. unfortunately this country is to _ foreign labour. unfortunately this country is to get _ foreign labour. unfortunately this country is to get its _ foreign labour. unfortunately this country is to get its head - foreign labour. unfortunately this country is to get its head around i foreign labour. unfortunately this . country is to get its head around we need _ country is to get its head around we need to— country is to get its head around we need to get— country is to get its head around we need to get our— country is to get its head around we need to get our own _ country is to get its head around we need to get our own people - country is to get its head around we need to get our own people out - country is to get its head around we need to get our own people out of. need to get our own people out of work, _ need to get our own people out of work. and — need to get our own people out of work. and i— need to get our own people out of work, and i totally— need to get our own people out of work, and i totally agree - need to get our own people out of work, and i totally agree with - need to get our own people out of work, and i totally agree with the | work, and i totally agree with the previous— work, and i totally agree with the previousjudgment_ work, and i totally agree with the previousjudgment with _ work, and i totally agree with the previous judgment with regards l work, and i totally agree with the i previous judgment with regards to training, _ previous judgment with regards to training, training _ previous judgment with regards to training, training has— previous judgment with regards to training, training has never- previous judgment with regards to training, training has never been i previous judgment with regards to| training, training has never been a problem. — training, training has never been a problem, especially— training, training has never been a problem, especially for— training, training has never been a problem, especially for the - training, training has never been ai problem, especially for the haulage industry— problem, especially for the haulage industry was — problem, especially for the haulage industry was getting _ problem, especially for the haulage industry was getting hgv _ problem, especially for the haulage industry was getting hgv drivers i problem, especially for the haulage i industry was getting hgv drivers put through _ industry was getting hgv drivers put through the — industry was getting hgv drivers put through. the fundamental— industry was getting hgv drivers put through. the fundamental basics - industry was getting hgv drivers put through. the fundamental basics is, | through. the fundamental basics is, one, through. the fundamental basics is, one. we _ through. the fundamental basics is, one. we got— through. the fundamental basics is, one. we got to — through. the fundamental basics is, one. we got to stop— through. the fundamental basics is, one, we got to stop paying - through. the fundamental basics is, one, we got to stop paying people l one, we got to stop paying people doing _ one, we got to stop paying people doing nothing _ one, we got to stop paying people doing nothing in— one, we got to stop paying people doing nothing in this _ one, we got to stop paying people doing nothing in this country, - one, we got to stop paying people doing nothing in this country, so l doing nothing in this country, so they've — doing nothing in this country, so they've actually— doing nothing in this country, so they've actually got _ doing nothing in this country, so they've actually got an _ doing nothing in this country, so they've actually got an incentive | doing nothing in this country, so . they've actually got an incentive to id they've actually got an incentive to go to _ they've actually got an incentive to go to work— they've actually got an incentive to go to work and _ they've actually got an incentive to go to work and earn _ they've actually got an incentive to go to work and earn money... - they've actually got an incentive tol go to work and earn money... what does that mean, _ go to work and earn money... what does that mean, what _ go to work and earn money... does that mean, what exactly do go to work and earn money...- does that mean, what exactly do you mean? i does that mean, what exactly do you mean? . , , ~ does that mean, what exactly do you mean? ., , , . ., mean? i mean benefits. we need a total react- — mean? i mean benefits. we need a total react. people _ mean? i mean benefits. we need a total react. people have _ mean? i mean benefits. we need a total react. people have to - mean? i mean benefits. we need a total react. people have to have . mean? i mean benefits. we need a total react. people have to have a i total react. people have to have a drive _ total react. people have to have a drive to _ total react. people have to have a drive to go — total react. people have to have a drive to go on— total react. people have to have a drive to go on to _ total react. people have to have a drive to go on to go _ total react. people have to have a drive to go on to go to _ total react. people have to have a drive to go on to go to work. - total react. people have to have a drive to go on to go to work. that| drive to go on to go to work. that is simple — drive to go on to go to work. that is simple. number—

drive to go on to go to work. that is simple. number two— drive to go on to go to work. that is simple. number two is, - drive to go on to go to work. that is simple. number two is, we'vel drive to go on to go to work. that i is simple. number two is, we've got to get— is simple. number two is, we've got to get the _ is simple. number two is, we've got to get the basics— is simple. number two is, we've got to get the basics right _ is simple. number two is, we've got to get the basics right and _ is simple. number two is, we've got to get the basics right and actually l to get the basics right and actually make _ to get the basics right and actually make industries— to get the basics right and actually make industries attractive. - to get the basics right and actuallyl make industries attractive. myself, i make industries attractive. myself, l was _ make industries attractive. myself, l was a _ make industries attractive. myself, l was a lorry— make industries attractive. myself, i was a lorry driver _ make industries attractive. myself, i was a lorry driver but _ make industries attractive. myself, i was a lorry driver but i _ make industries attractive. myself, i was a lorry driver but i decided i i was a lorry driver but i decided to stop — i was a lorry driver but i decided to stop driving _ i was a lorry driver but i decided to stop driving a _ i was a lorry driver but i decided to stop driving a lorry _ i was a lorry driver but i decided to stop driving a lorry because l i was a lorry driver but i decided . to stop driving a lorry because you are denied — to stop driving a lorry because you are denied access _ to stop driving a lorry because you are denied access to _ to stop driving a lorry because you are denied access to a _ to stop driving a lorry because you are denied access to a toilet, - to stop driving a lorry because you are denied access to a toilet, as l to stop driving a lorry because you are denied access to a toilet, as a| are denied access to a toilet, as a female _ are denied access to a toilet, as a female you — are denied access to a toilet, as a female you have _ are denied access to a toilet, as a female you have to _ are denied access to a toilet, as a female you have to be _ are denied access to a toilet, as a female you have to be prepared l are denied access to a toilet, as ai female you have to be prepared to share _ female you have to be prepared to share showers _ female you have to be prepared to share showers with _ female you have to be prepared to share showers with men, - female you have to be prepared to share showers with men, were - female you have to be prepared to share showers with men, were not living _ share showers with men, were not living in— share showers with men, were not living in the — share showers with men, were not living in the dark _ share showers with men, were not living in the dark ages _ share showers with men, were not living in the dark ages here, - share showers with men, were not living in the dark ages here, we i share showers with men, were noti living in the dark ages here, we are living _ living in the dark ages here, we are living on— living in the dark ages here, we are living on the — living in the dark ages here, we are living on the 21st _ living in the dark ages here, we are living on the 21st century, - living in the dark ages here, we are living on the 21st century, and - living in the dark ages here, we are living on the 21st century, and whyl living on the 21st century, and why should _ living on the 21st century, and why should an — living on the 21st century, and why should an hgv _ living on the 21st century, and why should an hgv driver— living on the 21st century, and why should an hgv driver in _ living on the 21st century, and why should an hgv driver in this- living on the 21st century, and whyl should an hgv driver in this country be classed — should an hgv driver in this country be classed as— should an hgv driver in this country be classed as a _ should an hgv driver in this country be classed as a second—class - be classed as a second—class citizenbasically_ be classed as a second—class citizenbasically that- be classed as a second—class citizenbasically that is - be classed as a second—class citizenbasically that is why i be classed as a second—class . citizenbasically that is why there are industries— citizenbasically that is why there are industries out _ citizenbasically that is why there are industries out there - citizenbasically that is why there l are industries out there struggling to actually— are industries out there struggling to actually get _ are industries out there struggling to actually get people _ are industries out there struggling to actually get people to - are industries out there struggling to actually get people to be - to actually get people to be employed, _ to actually get people to be employed, because - to actually get people to be employed, because we've i to actually get people to be . employed, because we've not to actually get people to be - employed, because we've not got the fundamental— employed, because we've not got the fundamental basics _ employed, because we've not got the fundamental basics right _ employed, because we've not got the fundamental basics right of— employed, because we've not got the fundamental basics right of enticing l fundamental basics right of enticing people _ fundamental basics right of enticing people into — fundamental basics right of enticing people into our— fundamental basics right of enticing people into our industry _ fundamental basics right of enticing people into our industry and - fundamental basics right of enticing| people into our industry and making them _ people into our industry and making them feel— people into our industry and making them feel important. _ people into our industry and making them feel important.— them feel important. there is something — them feel important. there is something you _ them feel important. there is something you said _ them feel important. there is something you said there - them feel important. there is l something you said there about people have to be encouraged, basically, and it sounded a little bit like get off their backsides and come to work. do you think some people in this country lack motivation?— people in this country lack i motivation?- really? people in this country lack motivation? ., . , reall ? . , motivation? totally. really? really. does anyone —

motivation? totally. really? really. does anyone out _ motivation? totally. really? really. does anyone out there _ motivation? totally. really? really. does anyone out there think- motivation? totally. really? really. does anyone out there think an - motivation? totally. really? really. does anyone out there think an hgvj does anyone out there think an hgv driver— does anyone out there think an hgv driver only— does anyone out there think an hgv driver only does _ does anyone out there think an hgv driver only does 9—5? _ does anyone out there think an hgv driver only does 9—5? they - does anyone out there think an hgv driver only does 9—5? they are - does anyone out there think an hgvi driver only does 9—5? they are doing 15 hour— driver only does 9—5? they are doing 15 hour days — driver only does 9—5? they are doing 15 hour days here, _ driver only does 9—5? they are doing 15 hour days here, not _ driver only does 9—5? they are doing 15 hour days here, not a _ driver only does 9—5? they are doing 15 hour days here, not a lot - driver only does 9—5? they are doing 15 hour days here, not a lot of - 15 hour days here, not a lot of people — 15 hour days here, not a lot of people want _ 15 hour days here, not a lot of people want to _ 15 hour days here, not a lot of people want to do _ 15 hour days here, not a lot of people want to do that, - 15 hour days here, not a lot of people want to do that, but. 15 hour days here, not a lot of - people want to do that, but that's the way— people want to do that, but that's the way that— people want to do that, but that's the way that the _ people want to do that, but that's the way that the logistics - people want to do that, but that's the way that the logistics industryj the way that the logistics industry is. the way that the logistics industry is you _ the way that the logistics industry is you have — the way that the logistics industry is~ you have to— the way that the logistics industry is. you have to be _ the way that the logistics industry is. you have to be prepared - the way that the logistics industry is. you have to be prepared that. is. you have to be prepared that you're _ is. you have to be prepared that you're going _ is. you have to be prepared that you're going to— is. you have to be prepared that you're going to get— is. you have to be prepared that you're going to get up— is. you have to be prepared that you're going to get up at- is. you have to be prepared that. you're going to get up at midnight, wona— you're going to get up at midnight, won a two— you're going to get up at midnight, won a two o'clock _ you're going to get up at midnight, won a two o'clock in _ you're going to get up at midnight, won a two o'clock in the _ you're going to get up at midnight, won a two o'clock in the morning . you're going to get up at midnight, | won a two o'clock in the morning to start— won a two o'clock in the morning to start a _ won a two o'clock in the morning to start a job — won a two o'clock in the morning to start a job with _ won a two o'clock in the morning to start a job with three _ won a two o'clock in the morning to start a job with three you're - won a two o'clock in the morning to start a job with three you're then i start a job with three you're then going _ start a job with three you're then going to — start a job with three you're then going to work _ start a job with three you're then going to work a _ start a job with three you're then going to work a hour— start a job with three you're then going to work a hour day. - start a job with three you're then going to work a hour day. if- start a job with three you're then going to work a hour day. if you i going to work a hour day. if you want _ going to work a hour day. if you want next — going to work a hour day. if you want next day _ going to work a hour day. if you want next day delivery - going to work a hour day. if you want next day delivery and - going to work a hour day. if you - want next day delivery and everybody wants _ want next day delivery and everybody wants to _ want next day delivery and everybody wants to order— want next day delivery and everybody wants to order something _ want next day delivery and everybody wants to order something today- want next day delivery and everybody wants to order something today and i wants to order something today and have it _ wants to order something today and have it delivered _ wants to order something today and have it delivered tomorrow, - wants to order something today and have it delivered tomorrow, there . have it delivered tomorrow, there has to— have it delivered tomorrow, there has to he — have it delivered tomorrow, there has to he an — have it delivered tomorrow, there has to be an infrastructure - have it delivered tomorrow, there has to be an infrastructure behindj has to be an infrastructure behind it, has to be an infrastructure behind it. and _ has to be an infrastructure behind it. and this — has to be an infrastructure behind it. and this is _ has to be an infrastructure behind it, and this is where _ has to be an infrastructure behindj it, and this is where unfortunately we are _ it, and this is where unfortunately we are a _ it, and this is where unfortunately we are a little _ it, and this is where unfortunately we are a little bit _ it, and this is where unfortunately we are a little bit far—fetched - we are a little bit far—fetched because _ we are a little bit far—fetched because we _ we are a little bit far—fetched because we are _ we are a little bit far—fetched because we are expecting - we are a little bit far—fetched| because we are expecting our we are a little bit far—fetched - because we are expecting our people are expecting — because we are expecting our people are expecting to _ because we are expecting our people are expecting to go _ because we are expecting our people are expecting to go under— because we are expecting our people are expecting to go under a - because we are expecting our people are expecting to go under a 9—5- because we are expecting our people are expecting to go under a 9—5jobi are expecting to go under a 9—5job such as _ are expecting to go under a 9—5job such as being — are expecting to go under a 9—5job such as being a— are expecting to go under a 9—5job such as being a lorry— are expecting to go under a 9—5job such as being a lorry driver- are expecting to go under a 9—5job such as being a lorry driver and - such as being a lorry driver and only— such as being a lorry driver and only do— such as being a lorry driver and only do ten— such as being a lorry driver and only do ten hours _ such as being a lorry driver and only do ten hours a _ such as being a lorry driver and only do ten hours a day- such as being a lorry driver and only do ten hours a day and - such as being a lorry driver and only do ten hours a day and it i such as being a lorry driver and - only do ten hours a day and it does not work— only do ten hours a day and it does not work like — only do ten hours a day and it does not work like that, _ only do ten hours a day and it does not work like that, things - only do ten hours a day and it does not work like that, things have - only do ten hours a day and it does not work like that, things have to i not work like that, things have to -et not work like that, things have to get with— not work like that, things have to get with the — not work like that, things have to get with the need _ not work like that, things have to get with the need to _ not work like that, things have to get with the need to get - not work like that, things have to get with the need to get if - not work like that, things have to get with the need to get if they. get with the need to get if they want _ get with the need to get if they want this— get with the need to get if they want this next—day _ get with the need to get if they want this next—day world. - get with the need to get if they want this next-day world. people have to understand _ want this next-day world. people have to understand what - want this next-day world. people have to understand what hard - want this next-day world. people i have to understand what hard work is, that's so interesting. a couple of text here, i will come to them specifically, but a bit of a flavour from some people and i will put it is a question to you. are we lazy? i

would not say we are all lazy, no. my husband — would not say we are all lazy, no. my husband is _ would not say we are all lazy, no. my husband is a _ would not say we are all lazy, no. my husband is a lorry _ would not say we are all lazy, no. my husband is a lorry driver, - would not say we are all lazy, no. my husband is a lorry driver, i'vel my husband is a lorry driver, i've been _ my husband is a lorry driver, i've been a _ my husband is a lorry driver, i've been a lorry— my husband is a lorry driver, i've been a lorry driver, _ my husband is a lorry driver, i've been a lorry driver, so _ my husband is a lorry driver, i've been a lorry driver, so is - my husband is a lorry driver, i've been a lorry driver, so is my- been a lorry driver, so is my sister, — been a lorry driver, so is my sister, and _ been a lorry driver, so is my sister, and the _ been a lorry driver, so is my sister, and the members . been a lorry driver, so is my sister, and the members of| been a lorry driver, so is my- sister, and the members of staff that we — sister, and the members of staff that we did — sister, and the members of staff that we did employ _ sister, and the members of staff that we did employ 42—3 - sister, and the members of staff that we did employ 42—3 years l sister, and the members of staff. that we did employ 42—3 years that we had _ that we did employ 42—3 years that we had were — that we did employ 42—3 years that we had were fantastic, _ that we did employ 42—3 years that we had were fantastic, but - that we did employ 42—3 years that we had were fantastic, but you - we had were fantastic, but you potentially _ we had were fantastic, but you potentially have _ we had were fantastic, but you potentially have to _ we had were fantastic, but you potentially have to go - we had were fantastic, but you potentially have to go throughl we had were fantastic, but you - potentially have to go through 10—20 employ— potentially have to go through 10—20 employ people — potentially have to go through 10—20 employ people to _ potentially have to go through 10—20 employ people to find _ potentially have to go through 10—20 employ people to find two _ potentially have to go through 10—20 employ people to find two or- potentially have to go through 10—20 employ people to find two or three l employ people to find two or three -ood employ people to find two or three good ones — employ people to find two or three aood ones. ~ , , ., employ people to find two or three good ones._ again, . good ones. why is that? again, fundamentals _ good ones. why is that? again, fundamentals of _ good ones. why is that? again, fundamentals of making - good ones. why is that? again, fundamentals of making it - fundamentals of making it attractive, _ fundamentals of making it attractive, an _ fundamentals of making it attractive, an attractive i fundamentals of making it. attractive, an attractive place fundamentals of making it - attractive, an attractive place to work _ attractive, an attractive place to work at — attractive, an attractive place to work at the _ attractive, an attractive place to work. at the end _ attractive, an attractive place to work. at the end of— attractive, an attractive place to work. at the end of the - attractive, an attractive place to work. at the end of the day, - attractive, an attractive place to work. at the end of the day, if. attractive, an attractive place to i work. at the end of the day, if we -ot work. at the end of the day, if we got a _ work. at the end of the day, if we got a job, — work. at the end of the day, if we got ajob, not— work. at the end of the day, if we got a job, not only— work. at the end of the day, if we got a job, not only is _ work. at the end of the day, if we got a job, not only is it— work. at the end of the day, if we got a job, not only is it about - work. at the end of the day, if we got a job, not only is it about the | got a job, not only is it about the money, — got a job, not only is it about the money, it's— got a job, not only is it about the money, it's also— got a job, not only is it about the money, it's also about _ got a job, not only is it about the money, it's also about enjoying i got a job, not only is it about the - money, it's also about enjoying what you do— money, it's also about enjoying what you do at— money, it's also about enjoying what you do at the end _ money, it's also about enjoying what you do at the end of _ money, it's also about enjoying what you do at the end of the _ money, it's also about enjoying what you do at the end of the day, - money, it's also about enjoying what you do at the end of the day, and - money, it's also about enjoying what you do at the end of the day, and if. you do at the end of the day, and if we have _ you do at the end of the day, and if we have not— you do at the end of the day, and if we have not got— you do at the end of the day, and if we have not got those _ you do at the end of the day, and if we have not got those fundamental basics _ we have not got those fundamental basics right, — we have not got those fundamental basics right, and _ we have not got those fundamental basics right, and there _ we have not got those fundamental basics right, and there are - we have not got those fundamental basics right, and there are poor- basics right, and there are poor drivers— basics right, and there are poor drivers out— basics right, and there are poor drivers out there _ basics right, and there are poor drivers out there today- basics right, and there are poor drivers out there today that - basics right, and there are poor drivers out there today that are| drivers out there today that are going _ drivers out there today that are going to — drivers out there today that are going to work _ drivers out there today that are going to work at _ drivers out there today that are going to work at some - drivers out there today that are going to work at some point. drivers out there today that are going to work at some point inl drivers out there today that are i going to work at some point in the day, _ going to work at some point in the day, can— going to work at some point in the day, can you — going to work at some point in the day, can you imagine _ going to work at some point in the day, can you imagine getting - going to work at some point in the l day, can you imagine getting denied access— day, can you imagine getting denied access to _ day, can you imagine getting denied access to a — day, can you imagine getting denied access to a toilet? _ day, can you imagine getting denied access to a toilet? who _ day, can you imagine getting denied access to a toilet? who wants - day, can you imagine getting denied access to a toilet? who wants to - day, can you imagine getting denied access to a toilet? who wants to do| access to a toilet? who wants to do thatjob _ access to a toilet? who wants to do that job when — access to a toilet? who wants to do that job when you _ access to a toilet? who wants to do that job when you are _ access to a toilet? who wants to do that job when you are denied - access to a toilet? who wants to do| that job when you are denied access to a toilet? — that job when you are denied access to a toilet? the _ that job when you are denied access to a toilet? the simple _ that job when you are denied access to a toilet? the simple basics. - that job when you are denied access to a toilet? the simple basics. who| to a toilet? the simple basics. who wants— to a toilet? the simple basics. who wants to _ to a toilet? the simple basics. who wants to go — to a toilet? the simple basics. who wants to go out _ to a toilet? the simple basics. who wants to go out today— to a toilet? the simple basics. who wants to go out today and - to a toilet? the simple basics. who wants to go out today and leave - wants to go out today and leave their— wants to go out today and leave their home _ wants to go out today and leave their home for— wants to go out today and leave their home for four— wants to go out today and leave

their home for four nights - wants to go out today and leave their home for four nights and l wants to go out today and leave i their home for four nights and all you've _ their home for four nights and all you've got — their home for four nights and all you've got to _ their home for four nights and all you've got to eat _ their home for four nights and all you've got to eat is _ their home for four nights and all you've got to eat is a _ their home for four nights and all you've got to eat is a fast - their home for four nights and all you've got to eat is a fast food i you've got to eat is a fast food joint? — you've got to eat is a fast food joint? who— you've got to eat is a fast food joint? who wants _ you've got to eat is a fast food joint? who wants to _ you've got to eat is a fast food joint? who wants to be - you've got to eat is a fast food - joint? who wants to be responsible for £50,000 — joint? who wants to be responsible for £50,000 worth _ joint? who wants to be responsible for £50,000 worth of— joint? who wants to be responsible for £50,000 worth of load, - joint? who wants to be responsible for £50,000 worth of load, drivers| for £50,000 worth of load, drivers are responsible _ for £50,000 worth of load, drivers are responsible not _ for £50,000 worth of load, drivers are responsible notjust_ for £50,000 worth of load, drivers are responsible notjust behind - for £50,000 worth of load, drivers are responsible notjust behind the wheel— are responsible notjust behind the wheel to— are responsible notjust behind the wheel to drive, _ are responsible notjust behind the wheel to drive, who _ are responsible notjust behind the wheel to drive, who wants - are responsible notjust behind the wheel to drive, who wants to - are responsible notjust behind the wheel to drive, who wants to be i wheel to drive, who wants to be responsible _ wheel to drive, who wants to be responsible in— wheel to drive, who wants to be responsible in the _ wheel to drive, who wants to be responsible in the middle - wheel to drive, who wants to be responsible in the middle of- wheel to drive, who wants to be responsible in the middle of thej responsible in the middle of the night _ responsible in the middle of the night because _ responsible in the middle of the night because someone - responsible in the middle of the night because someone has- responsible in the middle of the - night because someone has decided to open the _ night because someone has decided to open the back— night because someone has decided to open the back of— night because someone has decided to open the back of your _ night because someone has decided to open the back of your trailer _ night because someone has decided to open the back of your trailer and - open the back of your trailer and steal— open the back of your trailer and steal your— open the back of your trailer and steal your load _ open the back of your trailer and steal your load and _ open the back of your trailer and steal your load and the - open the back of your trailer and steal your load and the police i open the back of your trailer and i steal your load and the police don't want to— steal your load and the police don't want to know — steal your load and the police don't want to know about _ steal your load and the police don't want to know about it _ steal your load and the police don't want to know about it and - steal your load and the police don't want to know about it and neither. steal your load and the police don't. want to know about it and neither do the services — want to know about it and neither do the services that _ want to know about it and neither do the services that you _ want to know about it and neither do the services that you park— want to know about it and neither do the services that you park in? - want to know about it and neither do the services that you park in? that l the services that you park in? that should _ the services that you park in? that should not— the services that you park in? that should not be _ the services that you park in? that should not be the _ the services that you park in? that should not be the responsibility. the services that you park in? that should not be the responsibility of| should not be the responsibility of the driver— should not be the responsibility of the driver nor— should not be the responsibility of the driver nor the _ should not be the responsibility of the driver nor the company. - should not be the responsibility of the driver nor the company. while. so what about _ the driver nor the company. while. so what about those _ the driver nor the company. while. so what about those people - the driver nor the company. while. so what about those people who i the driver nor the company. while. i so what about those people who will endure dodgy conditions because they are thoroughly and highly motivated and have come from a long way to do this? they are the literal embodiment of the get on your bike and get to work. are those not the people you need and crave? the people you need and crave? the people who are so motivated that they will walk over hot coals to do

theirjob? they will walk over hot coals to do their “ob? , ., , ., , theirjob? they are the people we need. my grandfather— theirjob? they are the people we need. my grandfather would - theirjob? they are the people we need. my grandfather would have j theirjob? they are the people we - need. my grandfather would have been the same. .,, need. my grandfather would have been the same. ., ., the same. those are the foreign workers, the same. those are the foreign workers. some _ the same. those are the foreign workers, some people - the same. those are the foreign workers, some people would . the same. those are the foreign - workers, some people would argue? yes, it is very well relying on foreign workers by the end of the day, we are an island and also linking this and with farming, we've got to be prepared that actually british produce is actually going to waste in this country because we are prioritising imports. why should we be relying on that? we should be a self—sufficient island. we have been and we need to be. unfortunately, we need to go back to like you say, the people that are prepared to get up in the mornings and get in their car and get on the bike and go to work, but we seem to be... my family business diversified, but we were

100% local agricultural transport, whether that was grain, fruit pops, and when we finish we were 100% reliant on import, collecting import goods, and that is in the course of 5-6 goods, and that is in the course of 5—6 years. i goods, and that is in the course of 5-6 years-— 5-6 years. i think what we “ust touched on fl 5-6 years. i think what we “ust touched on is i 5-6 years. i think what we “ust touched on is quite * 5-6 years. i think what we “ust touched on is quite an i 5-6 years. i think what we just i touched on is quite an interesting area, _ touched on is quite an interesting area, really, because i think where this country— area, really, because i think where this country is not picking up on is the wraparound struck the lady has been _ the wraparound struck the lady has been talking about, the lack of infrastructure that's out there for hgv drivers. if you look at what was our economically sort of inactive people _ our economically sort of inactive people as — our economically sort of inactive people as the government sort of puts it. _ people as the government sort of puts it, there is quite a large number— puts it, there is quite a large number of— puts it, there is quite a large number of them in this country and that's— number of them in this country and that's what— number of them in this country and that's what suella braverman keep saying. _ that's what suella braverman keep saying, these are the people we want to get— saying, these are the people we want to get back— saying, these are the people we want to get back into work, if you go through— to get back into work, if you go through the stats, 27% of them are students, _ through the stats, 27% of them are students, you can question why the actually— students, you can question why the actually should we be encouraging

people _ actually should we be encouraging people to get on and work on joint apprenticeship schemes, should they be students? but quite a number out there. _ be students? but quite a number out there 20% _ be students? but quite a number out there, 20% say they are sick and another— there, 20% say they are sick and another 20% say they are having to stay at _ another 20% say they are having to stay at home to look after people at home, _ stay at home to look after people at home, whether children or elderly people _ home, whether children or elderly people. some of the problems here are coming — people. some of the problems here are coming from the lack of wraparound infrastructure that we've -ot wraparound infrastructure that we've got in _ wraparound infrastructure that we've got in this— wraparound infrastructure that we've got in this country, so those things ought _ got in this country, so those things ought to— got in this country, so those things ought to point to a lack of training, _ ought to point to a lack of training, apprenticeship schemes, a lack of— training, apprenticeship schemes, a lack of care — training, apprenticeship schemes, a lack of care workers, perhaps a reflection — lack of care workers, perhaps a reflection on the national health service _ reflection on the national health service that leads to people staying at home _ service that leads to people staying at home, so we need to look at the sort of— at home, so we need to look at the sort of big — at home, so we need to look at the sort of big picture, is not simply to say— sort of big picture, is not simply to say sort— sort of big picture, is not simply to say sort of, right, we've got people — to say sort of, right, we've got people here, we need to get them to work, _ people here, we need to get them to work, actually, and we certainly found _ work, actually, and we certainly found that — work, actually, and we certainly found that we had to up our game and our plants— found that we had to up our game and our plants in— found that we had to up our game and our plants in terms of the support we give _

our plants in terms of the support we give and the working conditions and things— we give and the working conditions and things like that. you have to move _ and things like that. you have to move with — and things like that. you have to move with the times and i don't think— move with the times and i don't think this — move with the times and i don't think this country is necessarily moved — think this country is necessarily moved with the times, as the lady hasjust_ moved with the times, as the lady hasjust been saying. lets moved with the times, as the lady hasjust been saying.— moved with the times, as the lady hasjust been saying. lets get some texts and your— hasjust been saying. lets get some texts and your calls. _ hasjust been saying. lets get some texts and your calls. put _ hasjust been saying. lets get some texts and your calls. put your- texts and your calls. put your location and name on the text if you could. good morning, i miss the start of your programme but the fishy discussion about brexit and labour i'll give you an insight, army lorry driver in 19981 was on £10 50 in a row, which is going up until 2004, the workers from the eu are session companies were allowed in, i the tree, returned are session companies were allowed in, ithe tree, returned in are session companies were allowed in, i the tree, returned in 2011, was offered 1050 an hour but only if i ran as a was offered 1050 an hour but only if iran as a limited company, a dark 50 if i... that i was given a ransom to companies, paper clay no tax, went home and the ir 35 holes were enforced, not one brexit happen. ——

ir 35 rules. this text agrees with the speakers. another one, lazy nation. no incentive to work, as it is too easy on benefits, being a courier i agree with the lady lorry driver, it is long and hard work. we worked during lockdown to keep the... does this woman not realise its is illegal to work 15 hours a day as a lorry driver? she seems like a nice boss. paul, how are you? i'm in support of foreign labour, been working for 35 years and started in 1988 and over the years we've seen different people from different countries coming over, a lot came overfor a different countries coming over, a lot came over for a few years and decided to go back and we have a lot

of people from europe, poland, latvia, good workers, and it has made me a better person because i've been able to learn about their culture and different religions and it's all a bit working together and supporting each other and having good workers. 50 supporting each other and having good workers-— supporting each other and having good workers. so it's that as well? the enrichment _ good workers. so it's that as well? the enrichment argument? - good workers. so it's that as well? - the enrichment argument? definitely, the end of the — the enrichment argument? definitely, the end of the day _ the enrichment argument? definitely, the end of the day it _ the enrichment argument? definitely, the end of the day it makes _ the enrichment argument? definitely, the end of the day it makes us - the end of the day it makes us understand what's going on around us. there's always plenty ofjobs, if people are looking for a job around ourarea, if people are looking for a job around our area, the company is always willing to take people on, it has posters outside, asking people to apply forjobs, giving phone numbers and there is plentyjobs for people. numbers and there is plenty “obs for --eole. ., ., numbers and there is plenty “obs for neale, ., ., y., i numbers and there is plenty “obs for| people.— i do people. helena, what you think? i do totally agree- — people. helena, what you think? i do totally agree. don't _ people. helena, what you think? i do totally agree. don't want _ people. helena, what you think? i do totally agree. don't want anyone - people. helena, what you think? i do totally agree. don't want anyone to l totally agree. don't want anyone to sit there _ totally agree. don't want anyone to sit there and — totally agree. don't want anyone to sit there and think _ totally agree. don't want anyone to sit there and think we _ totally agree. don't want anyone to sit there and think we should - totally agree. don't want anyone to sit there and think we should not. sit there and think we should not have _ sit there and think we should not

have himm _ sit there and think we should not have him- - -_ have him... military aid for ukraine- —