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live from london. this is bbc news. in the next 60 minutes all the main uk stories together with the latest breaking developments internationally. fresh promises of military aid but no fighterjets yet ukraine's president zelensky makes a surprise visit to the uk. i see that in the closest time you will hear some very important decisions but we have to work a little bit more on it russia says the supplement of more weapons are viewed extremely negatively and will only cause further disruption. a speech by the uk home secretary's among two disrupted by protesters
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at a conservative conference here in london. and turkey's presidential election goes to a runoff after the closest vote, in two decades. we start in the uk where ukraine's president has made a surprise visit to secure fresh promises of military aid to fight russia's invasion. prime minister, rishi sunak promised to send hundreds of air defence missiles and long range attack drones but stopped short of sending jets. rishi sunak tweeted this picture welcoming president zelensky when he arrived at chequers the prime minister's country residence the pair in a bear hug, the caption reading: "welcome back". earlier, volodymir zelensky had described rishi sunak as his "friend".
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there were then handshakes on the doorstep before the pair held bilateral talks, lasting around two hours. uktraine�*s president says the pair discussed western nations providing kyiv with fighter jets, with the aim of creating what he called a "jets coalition". rishi sunak pledged long term support for ukraine to ensure that it's able to defend itself into the future. let's hear from the two leaders talking to the assembled. it has been really good for us to have the time to talk together in private about the support the uk is giving and how we can make sure that support is notjust here today but into the future as well to make sure that ukraine and its people triumph, notjust on the battlefield militarily, but also stand up for those values of freedom and democracy and the rule of law that we all hold very dear. we have had some very good conversations and it is great to have you here. today we spoke about the jets, a very important topic for us, because we cannot control the sky. rishi knows all the details of what is going on on the battlefield. we want to create this
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jets coalition and i'm very positive about it. we have spoken about it and i see that in the closest time, you will hear some very important decisions, but we have to work a little bit more on it. joining me live are our political correspondent david wallace lockhart and our ukraine correspondent, hugo bachega. let's start here in westminster. tell us a little more about in concrete terms what is actually being promised today. so concrete terms what is actually being promised today.- concrete terms what is actually being promised today. so what the uk has announced — being promised today. so what the uk has announced today _ being promised today. so what the uk has announced today is _ being promised today. so what the uk has announced today is that _ being promised today. so what the uk has announced today is that ukraine i has announced today is that ukraine is going to get more missiles and they are going to get more attack drones. numberten they are going to get more attack drones. number ten are saying these won't be used for —— this will be used for defence of ukrainian
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territory not for attacking russian territory. a website ms. lenski also seem to get was commitment from rishi sunak that support is going to continue to step in that interview we just saw a come minister making it really clear that he is in for the long haul here when it comes to supporting ukraine, and they can expect my military hardware to come. volodymyr zelenskyy is making it clear, as he has done for a while that he wants western nations to be donating jets to the ukrainian cause. numberten donating jets to the ukrainian cause. number ten has no plans to do that. rishi sunak says it was not straightforward. the reason downing street has given as they say that ukraine are wanting a type object thatis ukraine are wanting a type object that is not used by the raf and therefore the uk is not in a position to donate anything. rishi sunak stressing the uk military will be training ukrainian fighter pilots in the very near future. broadly speaking, really, there is mainstream political consensus when it comes to the uk's steadfast
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support for ukraine. no one is really complaining about this idea of getting more and more military supports to president zelensky and to the ukrainian troops. but we did here earlier this morning on the bbc from that chair of the defence select committee, the conservative mp senior backbencher who did say that the uk can't keep gifting weapons systems forever and suggested that there needs to be more involvement from nato, there needs to be more ukrainian manufacturing capability so that they are able to have their own supply chain when it comes to getting weapons. quite an interesting intervention from a senior conservative backbencher, perhaps suggesting longer term policy of constant gifting that certainly not the position of rishi sunak who really today, you know, there good terms between the leaders was keen to stress the support that
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the uk is currently getting will be continuing for the longer term as he sees that. �* , , ., ., sees that. let's bring in hugo and k iv. that sees that. let's bring in hugo and kyiv- that is _ sees that. let's bring in hugo and kyiv. that is the _ sees that. let's bring in hugo and kyiv. that is the view _ sees that. let's bring in hugo and i kyiv. that is the view from london. what is the view from where you are. well, i think this is a very successful trip because the visits to the _ successful trip because the visits to the uk— successful trip because the visits to the uk was the latest stop of this tour— to the uk was the latest stop of this tour of european countries by president — this tour of european countries by president zelensky, who was in italy. _ president zelensky, who was in italy. who — president zelensky, who was in italy, who was in germany, where there _ italy, who was in germany, where there was— italy, who was in germany, where there was a — italy, who was in germany, where there was a large package of military— there was a large package of military aid that was announced by the government and he was also in france _ the government and he was also in france last— the government and he was also in france last night where he met president — france last night where he met president macron. so there is the premise _ president macron. so there is the premise that more help is coming, and we _ premise that more help is coming, and we heard from rishi sunak, the prime _ and we heard from rishi sunak, the prime minister who said that the uk will continue to support the ukrainians in this where. again the ukrainians— ukrainians in this where. again the ukrainians have been saying that that's— ukrainians have been saying that that's one — ukrainians have been saying that that's one thing that they want and they still— that's one thing that they want and they still don't have, and that is fighter— they still don't have, and that is fighterjets. the president said that he — fighterjets. the president said that he discussed this issue with
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the prime — that he discussed this issue with the prime minister, and the authorities here are obviously grateful— authorities here are obviously grateful for the help they have received — grateful for the help they have received from western countries, but ithink— received from western countries, but i think it _ received from western countries, but i think it is _ received from western countries, but i think it is also some level of frustration with how western countries have responded. there was a long _ countries have responded. there was a long debate before about battle tanks. _ a long debate before about battle tanks, decision about battle tanks was made — tanks, decision about battle tanks was made. a long debate about air defence _ was made. a long debate about air defence systems and how there is a lon- defence systems and how there is a long debate about fighterjets. ukraine — long debate about fighterjets. ukraine says those delays are costing — ukraine says those delays are costing lights, not only in the front— costing lights, not only in the front lines, but the cities and towns — front lines, but the cities and towns across the country as russia continues — towns across the country as russia continues to carry out those air strikes. — continues to carry out those air strikes, targeting places away from the front— strikes, targeting places away from the front lines. i think the timing of this— the front lines. i think the timing of this visit — the front lines. i think the timing of this visit by president zelensky is obviously very important because ukraine _ is obviously very important because ukraine is— is obviously very important because ukraine is preparing this much—anticipated counteroffensive against _ much—anticipated counteroffensive against russian forces, and the authorities here know they need to be successful because they want to show _ be successful because they want to show western partners that all this
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military— show western partners that all this military support that the country has received can result in major games— has received can result in major games on— has received can result in major games on the battlefield. interviewed presidents lenski last week— interviewed presidents lenski last week and — interviewed presidents lenski last week and he said the country still didn't— week and he said the country still didn't have — week and he said the country still didn't have everything you needed to id didn't have everything you needed to go ahead _ didn't have everything you needed to go ahead with this counteroffensive that is— go ahead with this counteroffensive that is likely to be a crucial new phase _ that is likely to be a crucial new phase in — that is likely to be a crucial new phase in this war.— phase in this war. hugo, before that, david, — phase in this war. hugo, before that, david, thank— phase in this war. hugo, before that, david, thank you - phase in this war. hugo, before that, david, thank you to - phase in this war. hugo, before that, david, thank you to both | phase in this war. hugo, before l that, david, thank you to both of you for that analysis on today's a visit. we have already had snapshot reaction from russia, the kremlin spokesperson saying the uk's actions would only lead to further destruction in ukraine as russia steps up what he called its �*special military operation'. vladimir putin also chaired a meeting of his security council earlier today. president zelensky has visited a number of other european capitals. yasmin khat un dee wan is in the newsroom with more. the defence ministry had set for the first time that it had shot down a long range storm shadow missiles applied to ukraine by britain. you cannotjust applied to ukraine by britain. you cannot just last week it was sending
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those cruise missiles for shooting down —— the shooting down of the missile has not been confirmed by the uk. let's get reaction to everything we have seen today. live now to lieutenant colonel glen grant who served in the british army for 37 years. he is a former defence analyst for the think tank ukrainian institute for the future and has worked with the ukrainian ministry of defence. what is your view of today's they said? i what is your view of today's they said? ~ �* , ., , what is your view of today's they said? ~ �*, ., , ., said? i think it's really important because britain _ said? i think it's really important because britain leads _ said? i think it's really important because britain leads the - said? i think it's really important because britain leads the way i said? i think it's really important because britain leads the way in | because britain leads the way in being the country that understands what's going on and is actually willing to put its head above the parapet in terms of supporting ukraine, and in that case, of course, it is really important, things like the long range missile, because it britain does this and actually goes forward, than other countries will follow suit, and there is still a lot of small things that ukrainians need, as the president has said, before they actually make this major attack. i actually make this major attack. i spoke in the last hour to someone
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who expressed their view that washington was still a drag when it came to f—16s and the europeans were ahead of the game now, of course, the uk doesn't have f—16s, but do you think we are edging closer to that moment that some european countries do give fighterjets to ukraine as president zelensky has been urging for so long? i ukraine as president zelensky has been urging for so long? i sincerely ho -e so been urging for so long? i sincerely hone so because — been urging for so long? i sincerely hope so because it's _ been urging for so long? i sincerely hope so because it's actually - been urging for so long? i sincerely hope so because it's actually really| hope so because it's actually really important. if you are going to make a major attack anywhere along the region in the south, then you've got to have some type... at the moment, ukrainians are still poor in terms of air cover. so it is really, really important. and there is a second stage to this as well because evenif second stage to this as well because even if ukraine manages to do its counterattack and do it really well and push everybody forward, may be out of crimea, this is not going to
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be the end of the war, at that stage, you will want every bit of defence that you can get, and airpower is vital. having control of the area is vital to being able to sustain a battle and to actually keep, you know, even for defence. {lit keep, you know, even for defence. of course, president zelensky, as he goes to these european capitals, wanted to make sure that that unity that we have seen for over a year is maintained. of course, the us election coming up next year, but what did you make of those comments from the chair of the defence select committee here to the bbc today about warning against leaving the uk cupboards bear? this was nato's mission and nato needed to do more. nato can't... nato isjust mission and nato needed to do more. nato can't... nato is just a collection of countries. at the moment, it is the countries that have actually got to do stuff. if nato says go ahead and do it is still to be individual countries and individual presidents and prime ministers who make the decision. that is a bit of a silly comments.
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the second thing is, people have to understand that russia is at war against us. today, there are 50 major russian ships floating around in the northern waters, that includes the north sea, looking at where we have cut our pipelines and where we have cut our pipelines and where we have got our internet connections. they will quite happily break those for everyone, so we have to understand, you know, we have got a stake in this, and it is a serious steak. we can't afford for russia to beat ukraine, because it is only going to cost us ten times more later on if we have to go back and fight again. later on if we have to go back and fight again-— fight again. two final questions, because, fight again. two final questions, because. of— fight again. two final questions, because, of course, _ fight again. two final questions, because, of course, you - fight again. two final questions, because, of course, you advised ukraine's military of defence back in 2014 when russia invaded crimea. but what do you think the objective for the west should be? is at the same as ukraine's objective out of every part of? 0rjust the recent gains of the last 12 months? it’s
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gains of the last 12 months? it's not to be gains of the last 12 months? it�*s got to be clear russia completely out of everywhere, because if we don't, we are sending a message to the likes of china that they can afford to take something from a bit and keep it. we can't afford for that to happen, for the world for it to happen. so we've got to clear russia biked back to its own borders and then we've got to be there and say he must not come back again and play from that point. you say he must not come back again and play from that point.— play from that point. you mention in our play from that point. you mention in your earlier — play from that point. you mention in your earlier answer _ play from that point. you mention in your earlier answer affects _ play from that point. you mention in your earlier answer affects to - play from that point. you mention in your earlier answer affects to the - your earlier answer affects to the pipelines and the like him in terms of the pressure, as it increases on the kremlin in moscow, do you worry at all that it will lead to evermore wild actions from the kremlin? is that a serious concern in your view? in terms of the tactics, how russia responds? in terms of the tactics, how russia resonds? , , ., in terms of the tactics, how russia resonds? ,, ., , ., , responds? russia historically has alwa s responds? russia historically has always responded _ responds? russia historically has always responded in _ responds? russia historically has always responded in a _ responds? russia historically has always responded in a way - responds? russia historically has always responded in a way more| always responded in a way more wildly when you show weakness. i think at the west shows strength, and you will go back to your borders
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and then we will carry on from there, but i don't think russia will do something while then. because they will be worried. but if they think we are weak, i'm sorry, but then the gloves are off on their side, and they will take us for everything that they can stop by just two sentences, if you would, how long do you think this war is going to last? we keep waiting for the spring offensive to start on both sides, but what is your gut feeling on this? that is a good one. that feeling is that it could collapse immediately that there is a major attack and everybody runs away, or we are right into next year, at least maybe until the end of next year of continuing the same sort of fighting that we've got now. a bleak prospect. thank you so much for taking the time to join us here on bbc news. thank you. turning away from that story, we will return to it a little bit later, but important story to the course of the last few hours here in the uk, because
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the national conservatism conference has faced anger with protesters interrupting two speeches. the home secretary suella braverman was speaking about the uk needing to bring down overall immigration numbers when two hecklers were removed from the room. and earlier the former cabinet ministerjacob rees—mogg faced a similar incident. let's take a look at those interruptions. he shouts we welcome you unless you, on a boat, unless you are brown! excuse me... boat, unless you are brown! excuse me- -- ladies _ boat, unless you are brown! excuse me... ladies and _ boat, unless you are brown! excuse me... ladies and gentlemen, - boat, unless you are brown! excuse me... ladies and gentlemen, you look very nice. _ me... ladies and gentlemen, you look very nice, people, and i'm sure you are fantastically nice people, but i would _ are fantastically nice people, but i would like — are fantastically nice people, but i would like to draw your attention to a few _ would like to draw your attention to a few characteristics of fascism...
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booing _ booing there, the interruption before that protester was led away from the stage. i've been speaking to jonathan blake about both incidents and the content of both speeches, because that was significant, but he started by talking about the interruption with the home secretary. protesters separately standing up and heckling the home secretary. they were quickly removed from the room and subsequently the environmental campaign group extinction rebellion have claimed responsibility for those protests, saying that they were against the fascist ideology supported by some government ministers. but suella braverman did eventually get to continue with her speech and the comments heavily trailed on immigration policy were in there. she didn't expand a huge
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amount on what we knew she was going to say in advance. that is that the current level of migration to the uk is unsustainable. she talked about the need for an agile system, but the need to get overall immigration under control. and she said that the uk mustn't forget to do things for itself and talking about the need to train and employ fruit pickers, lorry drivers, butchers and other such professions and jobs in the uk rather than relying too much on overseas labour. well, jonathan, let's just play that clip and i'll ask you about that in just a second or two. i voted and campaigned for brexit. indeed, i'm a proud spartan because i wanted britain to control migration so that we all have a say on what works for our country. high skilled workers support economic growth and where the labour market has acute or structural shortages. as with the nhs, it is of course
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right that we should have an immigration system agile enough to plug those shortages. but we need to get overall immigration numbers down. jonathan, i suppose the backdrop is that those overall immigration numbers we're expecting in the next few days to to hit record levels. and i suppose also one of the interpretations is comments like that, a shot across the bows potentially to cabinet colleagues who may want to ease tensions in terms of shortages and so many areas of industry that we've heard about. yeah, there is certainly differences of opinion in government at the moment about immigration policy and how best to approach it, as you say. matthew figures are expected next week which will show in all likelihood a record high for net migration to the uk. estimates vary somewhere between 700,000 and as high as a million. to give you an idea, the most recent figures show around half a million people coming to the uk.
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as for the figures forjune 2022, so that is expected to rise down in large part to refugees coming from ukraine and also for work and student visa applications and people coming to the uk on that basis. but yes, there is a tension around, as some see it in government, the need to relax rules allow more additions to the list of specific professions, for example, which people could be allowed to come to the uk to work in, and also that overbearing need to bring down, as many in governments say, the overall level of migration to the uk fulfilling one of the conservatives manifesto pledges in 2019. so yes, perhaps something of an advanced warning and something of a warning, something of a of an early intervention by the home secretary before those figures are released next week. jonathan, we were showing pictures of the interruption to the former cabinet ministerjacob rees—mogg
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when he was talking in terms of the content of what he was saying. he talked about the introduction, the recent introduction of voter id and something he said there and we're going to play it in the next few seconds, really raised eyebrows. i'll ask you about it in a moment, but i just want to put that clip on the screens now. parties that try and gerrymander end up finding that their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as dare i say, we found by insisting on voter id for elections. and we found that the people who didn't have id were elderly and they by and large voted conservative. so we made it hard for our own voters and we upset a system that worked perfectly well, was rather the glories of our country, actually, that we did on an honesty basis when the real problem is with postal voting. so don't get too fretful about random schemes brought up by the socialists because gerrymandering doesn't really work. jonathan, that's extraordinary because he was there as a cabinet minister, saw this legislation through and appears to be saying quite openly it was gerrymandering.
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yes. jacob rees—mogg being pretty clear there about what he thinks of the government's imposition of a new rule that we saw in effect for the first time in those local elections across england in the last couple of weeks to show photo id and as you say, talking about that as an attempt to gerrymander elections, he was again, matthew, as you rightly say, in government when those laws were passed. he's spoken previously about the need for elections to be open and fair. the government defended those plans and those new laws as a way to guard against fraud in elections and impersonation of people voting in person. but there's very little evidence that that is in any way a significant problem in the uk and where voter fraud tends to occur, it's largely through postal voting. but yes, now free of the collective responsibility that comes with being in government. jacob rees—mogg speaking his mind
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on that particular issue. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. turning to a few stories making the headlines here in the uk, because exams are getting fully under way for most pupils in england wales and northern ireland. england's exam regulator 0fqual says the disruption caused by covid will be taken into account in the g cse and a level grades that are awarded. the regulator says covid cast a long shadow and that students should be able to get the same grade they would have done, if the pandemic hadn't happened. what's thought to be a world first driverless buses have entered service in edinburgh. the operator, stagecoach, says the five single decker buses, have the capacity for around 10,000 passengerjourneys per week. despite being driverless the buses will still have two members of staff on board, to monitor the technology and assist passengers. an ice cream parlour, has changed the name of one its products after a "polite" request from marks & spencer.
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fabio'sjelato, based in hertfordshire, only began making its percy pig ice cream last week. but the retailing giant, sent the owner a letter which said, he could continue to use the sweets, but not the name of the product. turning to baking is coming from westminster and uk parliaments because the british government has been defeated in the house of lords by peers who claim that ministers are giving themselves too much power to decide which eu error lies to keep and which to drop following break that. last week and he may renumber the business secretary announced that she was abandoning plans for all remaining eu laws to expire automatically at the end of the year, instead, 600 or so laws would be scrapped by next january, the rest kept until they could be assessed, but peers and lords led by the former supreme courtjudge lord holcomb argued that even though 600
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needed proper parliamentary scrutiny and they defeated the government by 91 votes. we will keep an eye on that, and if there is more, we will return to it. turning to turkey. turkey's electoral authority has confirmed that the presidential election will go to a second round after incumbent president erdo an felljust short of the 50% vote share required for a first round victory. it's the first time a challenger has taken mr erdo an to a second round in a presidential contest. he's told supporters in the capital ankara that he's confident he'll still be president in two weeks' time. 0n the other side, kamal kilitch da rowloo has also expressed confidence that he'll win in the second round. many pendants predicted that he would lose heavily, a short while ago on the programme, i asked a consultant on the country's risk, by president everyone had done better than expected. i president everyone had done better than exoected-_ president everyone had done better than expected. i think what we most resident than expected. i think what we most president didn't _ than expected. i think what we most president didn't take _
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than expected. i think what we most president didn't take into _ than expected. i think what we most president didn't take into account. president didn't take into account is that there is a core of people who are very much for president everyone, but then there are bunch of people in the middle, conservative with a small see, who were worried about him i think they just weren't convinced by this very wide opposition. —— president erdo an. and whether it would create a lot of instability. so i think there is safe playing and they voted for erdo an is.— for erdo an is. what about the economy? _ for erdo an is. what about the economy? inflation _ for erdo an is. what about the economy? inflation at - for erdo an is. what about the economy? inflation at 4496 . for erdo an is. what about the - economy? inflation at 44% she's, how has that not damaged erdo an? this is exactly where _ has that not damaged erdo an? try 3 is exactly where you cannot play safe, because the economy has been very volatile anyway over the past five years with covid and the impact of the ukraine war on the turkish economy, the earthquake thatjust happened in february, and it has been made worse by the government's policy, which is called interest
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rates caused inflation policy, which these costs push inflation as the only cause of inflation as opposed to the demand, fall and other monetary money supply and other factors that affect inflation. that's the latest on turkey's first round of elections. you are watching bbc news. hello there. last week was pretty lively weather—wise. saw some frequent thundering down players in places. this week is looking a much quieter weather—wise. we will see those temperatures go up day upon day and actually for most of us, not really much in the way of rain in the forecast. today, on the chillier side. that's because we have this northwesterly breeze feeding in, and for most, a case of some sunny spells and patchy cloud. mark scenes like these to come in the coming days. so through the course of
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tonight, most of those daytime showers will tend to fade away, leaving large parts of the country with some drier clear conditions. the only real exception parts of scotland where we will see a bit more cloud and some showery outbreaks of rain. it is going to be a chilly when under those clear skies. 0vernight, typically around 3-6 skies. 0vernight, typically around 3—6 in excess is across the board. celsius across the board, setting us up with a chilly start to the day tomorrow morning, but for many, it does mean at sunshine from the word go. so through the day we'll expect to see some patchy cloud bubble up and spread out. a few scattered showers developing, too — i think these probably more frequent across parts of scotland, northern england, and a few into northern ireland, too. and those temperatures responded in the sunshine, getting up to around 17—18 celsius in a few places. now, by the time we get to wednesday, we expect this broad area of high pressure to be with us — as you can see, not many isobars on those charts, indicating some lighter winds. so we do expect to see more persistent rain gradually spreading its way into parts of scotland. meanwhile, further south, a few scattered showers developing, i think most of these focused
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across parts of northern england, getting into the midlands, south east england, and east anglia. away from that, more in the way of some sunny spells and patchy cloud, and temperatures getting up into the mid—to—high teens in places. looking at further out then, by the time we get to thursday, we've got some milder air filtering in from the atlantic, and that does mean those temperatures gradually creeping up a touch. we've also got this cold front that'll reintroduce some outbreaks of rain in places. so generally speaking then, through the week ahead, many of us clinging onto some largely dry, settled conditions. those temperatures gradually creeping up day upon day. that's your latest forecast.
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this is bbc news, the headlines... fresh promises of weapons, though fighterjets are asked to like art amongst them. president zelensky makes a surprise visit to the uk. n makes a surprise visit to the uk. i think we have important decisions, but we have to work a little bit more on it. and could hospitals in england see more scenes like these? senior doctors are voting on whether to take industrial action over pay. a british man goes on trial in cyprus, accused of murdering his sick wife. he tells the court she begged him to help her die.
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