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day really, and i start to fill! day really, and i start to the week after a _ day really, and i start to the week after a chilly _ _ day really, and i start to the week after a chilly morning, i _ day really, and i start to i the week after a chilly morning, and the week after a chilly morning, and the rest of this week looks largely dry —— a nice start. for most it will be feeling a bit warmer towards the end of the week as we pick up more sunshine, slightly milder air from the atlantic, so any d showers fading away, maybe a few affecting the cheshire gap but under the clear skies and the light winds it will be falling into low single digits so pretty cool for the time of year. high—pressure dominating, the weather system to the north which will bring some rain and cloud to scotland and you notice the blue tinge on the air mass chart showing it is still slightly cool for the time of year so a chilly start, although lots of sunshine around. showers in scotland and they become more widespread over scotland and northern ireland and some drifting down into northern england. it could
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be up to 17 degrees for most, but for most it will be mid—teens, below parfor for most it will be mid—teens, below par for the for most it will be mid—teens, below parfor the time of for most it will be mid—teens, below par for the time of year. we have a weather front passing to the north of the uk and that will bring more breeze and cloud and some rain to the north and west of scotland on wednesday but elsewhere another cool start with lots of sunshine and then maybe just a chance of an isolated shower across east and south—east england and most places will be dry with temperatures up to 18, maybe 19. through thursday and friday, a few weather fronts scraping the north of the uk but this area of high pressure will feed in milder airfrom the atlantic high pressure will feed in milder air from the atlantic and it will stay dry with lots of sunshine as you can see. the occasional shower but we will be hitting the low 20s at times. take care. thanks, stav. and that's bbc news at ten on 15th of may. there's more analysis of the day's main stories on newsnight
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after 13 years of pledges from the tory government to bring it down to the tens of thousands. the parents for the record of the home secretary, and the speech interpreted by some as a burnishing of her own leadership ambitions. we of her own leadership ambitions. - need to get overall immigration numbers down. we must not forget how to do things for ourselves, there is no good reason why we cannot train up no good reason why we cannot train up enough truck drivers, butchers, fruit pickers, builders or welders. will be what conservative mps are thinking and speak to nigel faraj
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and labours stephen kulik. an exclusive investigation uncovers an immigration scam where they pay to spend but there are name on the birth certificate. " pay —— pay british men to put their name on the birth certificate. and how short to may be that our supermarket shelves will actually have food on them we speak to the former foods are, henry. this might be the oft repeated pledge for the prime minister, but not illegal migration is heading to the top of the political agenda since the bricks of senior conservatives like the secretary swell braverman as a reminder the present ministry that
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the uk was supposed to be about controlling the numbers of people who migrate here to work and live. and paying british people to pay do thejob the do the job the migrants of dental sub half a record the figures for the whole of this soon and they're expected to have some new records too and reportedly between 700,000 people and a million. ukrainian refugees into account, that is remarkable growth in net migration through perfectly legal routes. something that definitely wasn't promised by the vote we've campaign nor the 2019 conservative manifesto and nick is here. tells is been going on today. much works than the party expected. going on today. much works than the party “meted-—
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party expected. whatever the expectation — party expected. whatever the expectation management - party expected. whatever the - expectation management exercise would've told us. so what are we saying in public quest mark we are seeing divisions and we sing in public? were seeing divisions and we're seeing in cabinet voiced by sue ella brava learned that this government is not delivering on immigration. so this evening, the prime minister held a reception in the sunshine at downing street for his mps and i tested the mood as some of those mps arrived. the home secretary seems to be saying he hasn't done enough to bring down illegal migration? a lot of proposals going on in the space of proposals going on in the space of migration. where porch in the bow spill all the legislation going through at the moment. let's wait and see? this was a brave and have a licence to do what she wants quest mark. so, you're off to see the prime minister. we are. are you celebrating a united party?
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absolutely! of course we are! and do we think... it's interesting, isn't it, that suella braverman seems to be sort of criticising the government of which she is a leading member for not bringing down immigration? i don't think so. is she? is she doing that? why is she doing... how is she doing that? i thought she was saying that we need to get immigration down. i that is government policy, isn't it? but saying not enough's being done. the government of which she is a member not doing enough? there is a lot more - to be done, isn't there? do you think the government because failing to do enough to bring down immigration, as suella braverman's saying? well, look, we've got a pledge, obviously, to stop the small boats, but when it comes to immigration, legal immigration is a very important part for many parts of our economy. you are a home office minister. suella braverman is your boss. do you agree with her that your government has failed to do enough to bring down immigration? i think suella's doing a good job as home secretary, getting control of our borders, and i'm sure in common with other colleagues, we all support her. and does she have a licence, basically, to say what she thinks? the mood in your party, what's it like? i think it's determined,
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determined to, you know, focus on the things that really matter to people, and that's what we're doing. but are we seeing a bit of unease after those local election results? there does seem to be some noises off, perhaps, on the right? no, i don't think so. i think we're absolutely committed to getting through this cost of living crisis period. as you can see, suella braverman clearly has a licence really with number ten to say pretty much what she likes, but i am picking up some anger at the heart of cabinet with her erstwhile colleagues in the brexiteer european research group, hearing some members described in some language we wouldn't want to use on this show, but i'm hearing things like these are unpleasant people and wouldn't it be so much better if they were out of the conservative party. we will talk about legal migration in a moment, but sunak is going to be talking about illegal migration. he is going to a meeting of the
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council of europe, the 46 strong body of countries across europe that are upholding human rights and, while he is there, he is meeting the president of the european court of human rights, and he's going to explain why the government is changing the law to ensure that the government has a greater ability not to comply with rule 39, the ones that have sort of grounded the deportation flight to rwanda, and the prime minister is going to say, we need to ensure we have an international legal system which allows sovereign countries to take the domestic steps necessary to help those most in need, but he is also going to say, i am clear that, as an active european nation with a proud history of helping those in need, the uk will be at the heart of that, so no plans from this prime minister at the moment pull out of the european court of human rights. what european court of human rights. what do the numbers —
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european court of human rights. what do the numbers show on coming and why? here is ben. a lot of the record net migration to the uk in the year tojuly 2022 was due to immigration from hong kong chinese and ukrainians so, arguably, humanitarian one—offs. there are also many overseas students coming in. yet it's also true that the number of work visas has increased sharply. this shows visa grants to non—eu citizens. it reached around 300,000 in the second quarter of 2022. now, it's important to stress that this is a direct result of the post—brexit immigration system introduced by this government. this abolished freedom of movement for eu workers but created a points—based system for all prospective migrants, based on skills and employerjob offers. unskilled eu migration has duly plummeted, while skilled migration from the rest of the world has jumped. but the home secretary is, nevertheless, concerned, saying today that the uk is too "dependent" on foreign labour. we mustn't forget how to do things for ourselves. there is no good reason
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why we can't train up enough truck drivers, butchers, fruit pickers, builders or welders. brexit enables us to build a high—skilled, high—wage economy that is less dependent on low—skilled foreign labour. she is arguably mixing up skilled and unskilled labour there and rather glossing over the fact this new system was created by her government. yet let's focus on the question of why the uk is clearly dependent on foreign labour to fill many gaps in the labour market. for context, this shows the share of foreign—born workers by sector in 2020. the average is 18%. look at the sectors which have a higher than average share. top is hospitality, 28%, which is unskilled. but note health and social care — 21%. note "professional scientific" jobs — 20%. these are skilled jobs. and it's in these sectors, particularly health and social care, where visa issuance has been growing
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fast in recent years. so experts say to reduce the demand for overseas labour to fill unskilled jobs will require paying more to local workers to induce them to take them. it might also require changes in the conditions of these jobs to make them compatible with people's childcare responsibilities. alternatively, if the goal is simply to reduce immigration, the policy solution for some sectors such as manufacturing could be more investment in automation. but the key change to fill higher—skilled jobs which can't be automated will need to be investment in training. experts tend to agree there has been too little of this training by the government and companies in recent decades. in the case of the health and care industry, i do think it ultimately comes down to training and retention, which includes pay and conditions. if you're looking at something like doctors and nurses, who take many years to train, you can't just suddenly turn on a tap of more domestic workers. there may be things that can be done in the short run to help retention
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but training for many occupations can take several years. so, two things to bear in mind. first, a big investment in the training of domestic workers as sensible as it would be will not deliver results quickly. second, one of the reasons that bodies including the office for budget responsibility, the official forecaster, have revised up their uk gdp forecasts for the uk economy in recent months is because of higher than expected migration. if we attempted to reduce net migration rapidly, there would, at least in the near term, be an economic cost not only for those industries that rely on those skilled migrants but for all of us to pay. we did ask the government and a number of other conservative mps tojoin us on the programme, but none agreed to. among those critical of the government's performance on migration is nigel farage, former leader of the brexit party and ukip, who called for many years for a referendum on our membership of the eu. thank you for being with us. with
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legal migration, which is what we are talking about, the government has taken back control and has total control over who gets a visa and who doesn't in this post—brexit world, which is what it promised. major it promised an australian style points system and it was a nod and wink to say, it's tough to get to the uk, you need the right skills, speak the language, bring your own health insurance, and they promised in that 2019 manifesto to bring down the numbers. , , ., , ., numbers. the numbers are exploding the tri we numbers. the numbers are exploding the trip we have _ numbers. the numbers are exploding the trip we have spent _ numbers. the numbers are exploding the trip we have spent so _ numbers. the numbers are exploding the trip we have spent so much - numbers. the numbers are exploding the trip we have spent so much time | the trip we have spent so much time talking _ the trip we have spent so much time talking about small boats in the channel. — talking about small boats in the channel, and we have been blindsided by what's _ channel, and we have been blindsided by what's happening with legal migration. thank could we have got a managed _ migration. thank could we have got a managed system. in 2015, that what you wrote _ managed system. in 2015, that what you wrote you wanted, you said, we want _ you wrote you wanted, you said, we want to _ you wrote you wanted, you said, we want to ensure highly skilled people from india, canada, new zealand and beyond _ from india, canada, new zealand and beyond get _ from india, canada, new zealand and beyond get a fair chance to come to the “km _ beyond get a fair chance to come to the “km we — beyond get a fair chance to come to the uk... we have a system where we said yes _ the uk... we have a system where we said yes to— the uk... we have a system where we said yes to everybody from europe and the _ said yes to everybody from europe and the grisly note from the rest of the world —
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and the grisly note from the rest of the world. we now have an open door to everybody. we the world. we now have an open door to everybody-— to everybody. we don't. the government _ to everybody. we don't. the government decides. - to everybody. we don't. the government decides. we - to everybody. we don't. the i government decides. we have to everybody. we don't. the _ government decides. we have lowered the definition — government decides. we have lowered the definition of— government decides. we have lowered the definition of what _ government decides. we have lowered the definition of what a _ government decides. we have lowered the definition of what a skilled - the definition of what a skilled worker— the definition of what a skilled worker is_ the definition of what a skilled worker is and that is a misapplication of the australian system — misapplication of the australian system. we misapplication of the australian s stem. ~ ., ., ., , system. we have lowered the salary threshold because _ system. we have lowered the salary threshold because we _ system. we have lowered the salary threshold because we have - system. we have lowered the salary threshold because we have hundred| threshold because we have hundred 65,000 vacancies in social care. that is why, because we need more workers. taste that is why, because we need more workers. ~ . ,': that is why, because we need more workers. ~ . g; ., , ., , workers. we have 5.3 million people livin: in workers. we have 5.3 million people living in this — workers. we have 5.3 million people living in this country _ workers. we have 5.3 million people living in this country of _ workers. we have 5.3 million people living in this country of working - living in this country of working a-e living in this country of working age who— living in this country of working age who are not working. many of those are working. _ age who are not working. many of those are working. they - age who are not working. many of those are working. they use - those are working. they use universal credit to top up their low wages. taste universal credit to top up their low wares. ~ . , ~' universal credit to top up their low wares, . ., , ~' ., wages. we have these killed our --eole. wages. we have these killed our people- you _ wages. we have these killed our people. you look _ wages. we have these killed our people. you look at _ wages. we have these killed our people. you look at the - wages. we have these killed our people. you look at the sectors, like that— people. you look at the sectors, like that graph we showed in science, _ like that graph we showed in science, we have reduced over 20 years— science, we have reduced over 20 years millions of graduates with social— years millions of graduates with social science degrees of economical or no— social science degrees of economical or no benefit to the country at all. this is_ or no benefit to the country at all. this is the — or no benefit to the country at all. this is the deal... hang on. there
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is a hard truth which arguably you might be in denial about, either we train british workers, funded by the taxpayer, so the couple trained them, or by companies, which is fine. either of those is fine, both is fine, but you have to explain, are taxpayers going to pay for that or our company is going to put up? taxes? do you accept that either prices go up or taxes do? nick is easy to use the private sector to train people and give them tax incentives. if train people and give them tax incentives— train people and give them tax incentives. . , ., , ., incentives. if wages go up and if that's mildly _ incentives. if wages go up and if that's mildly inflationary, - incentives. if wages go up and if that's mildly inflationary, betterj that's mildly inflationary, better cost that's worth paying. but you never said _ cost that's worth paying. but you never said that _ cost that's worth paying. but you never said that at _ cost that's worth paying. but you never said that at the _ cost that's worth paying. but you never said that at the time - cost that's worth paying. but you never said that at the time to - cost that's worth paying. but you i never said that at the time to stop all through the referendum, i said wages will go up. you didn't add the inflationary bit about costs. stewart rose, the chairman of the remain _ stewart rose, the chairman of the remain campaign, was asked, with
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brexit. _ remain campaign, was asked, with brexit, would wages go up? he said, yes, and _ brexit, would wages go up? he said, yes, and i_ brexit, would wages go up? he said, yes, and i don't believe it would be a good _ yes, and i don't believe it would be a good thing to strip what about the social— a good thing to strip what about the social cost _ a good thing to strip what about the social cost and the political cost? be in _ social cost and the political cost? be in no — social cost and the political cost? be in no doubt, the only reason we won the _ be in no doubt, the only reason we won the referendum for the leave site was— won the referendum for the leave site was because people believed getting _ site was because people believed getting control of our borders would mean _ getting control of our borders would mean the _ getting control of our borders would mean the numbers would be lower. that was _ mean the numbers would be lower. that was implicit in what boris johnson — that was implicit in what boris johnson went to the country with in 2019. _ johnson went to the country with in 2019. so— johnson went to the country with in 2019, so this is a breach of trust. but they— 2019, so this is a breach of trust. but they didn't vote that way in the local elections last week. it was not over a thousand seats. reform put up a65 cancers, net gain of two in total they have six councillors in total they have six councillors in total they have six councillors in total to the those votes were going to labour, the greens, the lib dems. so you are the outlier now. no, i don't believe that for a moment _ no, i don't believe that for a moment. the disappointment that people _ moment. the disappointment that people have, the disappointment brexit— people have, the disappointment brexit voters have in what the conservatives have failed to deliver has actually sent much of the red wall back— has actually sent much of the red wall back to labour where they came
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from in _ wall back to labour where they came from in the _ wall back to labour where they came from in the beginning.— from in the beginning. exactly, so the are from in the beginning. exactly, so they are not _ from in the beginning. exactly, so they are not going _ from in the beginning. exactly, so they are not going to _ from in the beginning. exactly, so they are not going to reform. - they are not going to reform. not at this stage, reform is not big or strong _ not at this stage, reform is not big or strong enough. they— or strong enough. they have only got 465 councils. out of 8000 _ of 8000. yes, thank you. wright, of 8000. — yes, thank you. wright, k. most people _ yes, thank you. wright, k. most people in— yes, thank you. wright, k. most people in the country does not know that reform exists, so at the moment there is— that reform exists, so at the moment there is no— that reform exists, so at the moment there is no political challenge to there is no political challenge to the government whatsoever, but i repeat _ the government whatsoever, but i repeat the — the government whatsoever, but i repeat the point, this is a breach of trust — repeat the point, this is a breach of trust. voters expected numbers to come _ of trust. voters expected numbers to come down, — of trust. voters expected numbers to come down, but more significantly, this is— come down, but more significantly, this is what— come down, but more significantly, this is what nobody will discuss, is the damage these numbers are to our quality— the damage these numbers are to our quality of— the damage these numbers are to our quality of life post—of all we ever hear _ quality of life post—of all we ever hear is _ quality of life post—of all we ever hear is what the bank of england say, whether gdp could be a little bit better— say, whether gdp could be a little bit better than was predicted. we bow to _ bit better than was predicted. we bow to the god of gdp and we forget what this— bow to the god of gdp and we forget what this is doing to our communities. our chances of, say, getting— communities. our chances of, say, getting a— communities. our chances of, say, getting a house for our children. the government could easily build more houses. it could easily build most of gaul places. h0. more houses. it could easily build most of gaul places.— more houses. it could easily build most of gaul places. no, i'm sorry. unless you — most of gaul places. no, i'm sorry. unless you know _ most of gaul places. no, i'm sorry. unless you know the _ most of gaul places. no, i'm sorry. unless you know the numbers - most of gaul places. no, i'm sorry. i unless you know the numbers coming in, you _ unless you know the numbers coming in, you cannot plan school places, you cannot — in, you cannot plan school places, you cannot plan house—building. at
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the moment, this immigration system is totally— the moment, this immigration system is totally out of control. let _ is totally out of control. let me _ is totally out of control. let me pause you there. it needs to have a cap of some kind. a poll— it needs to have a cap of some kind. a poll from — it needs to have a cap of some kind. a poll from last month showed... this is a general brexit question. 53% of people say it was wrong. that was a poll last month. around one in five leave voters regret it. the opr predicts a a% hit to the economy. don't make me laugh on that! hang — don't make me laugh on that! hang on _ don't make me laugh on that! hang on. the uk is the only g7 economy not back to its pre—pandemic size. business investment has lagged behind comparable economies. economically, the uk would have been better staying on, wouldn't it? i don't think that for a moment, but what _ i don't think that for a moment, but what i _ i don't think that for a moment, but what i do _ i don't think that for a moment, but what i do think... based _ what i do think... based on all that? what i do think as we haven't actually— what i do think as we haven't actually benefited from brexit economically. when we could have done _ economically. when we could have done. what brexit has proved i'm afraid, _ done. what brexit has proved i'm afraid, is— done. what brexit has proved i'm afraid, is that our politicians are about— afraid, is that our politicians are about as — afraid, is that our politicians are about as useless as the commissioners in brussels. we have mismanaged this totally, and if you look at _ mismanaged this totally, and if you look at simple things like takeovers and corporation tax, we are driving
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business _ and corporation tax, we are driving business away from our country. arguably, — business away from our country. arguably, now we are back in control, — arguably, now we are back in control, we are regulating our own businesses — control, we are regulating our own businesses even more than they were as eu _ businesses even more than they were as eu members. businesses even more than they were as eu members-— as eu members. brexit has failed... a comeback — as eu members. brexit has failed... a comeback for _ as eu members. brexit has failed... a comeback for you, _ as eu members. brexit has failed... a comeback for you, then? - a comeback for you, then? i would not rule it out for stop it is not _ i would not rule it out for stop it is not top — i would not rule it out for stop it is not top of my bucket list, but we have _ is not top of my bucket list, but we have not— is not top of my bucket list, but we have not delivered on borders or brexit _ have not delivered on borders or brexit the — have not delivered on borders or brexit. the tories have let us down very badly — very badly. thank you very much. very badly. — thank you very much. criticism from one of those who campaigned heavily for brexit to. for brexit to to one of those who campaigned heavily for brexit to to discuss what labour might do differently, let's talk to shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock. thank you for being with us. keir starmersaid kinnock. thank you for being with us. keir starmer said at the end of last week that if the legal net migration figures we are expecting surely hit the 700,000 mark or higher, then, "it will show the government have completely lost control. we need a managed approach and we haven't got that". except we have got a managed approach. well, there are controls in place, but the problem is... but we do have a managed approach. yes, there is the points—based
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system, and we support that. but keir starmer said if the figures hit 700,000, it shows we have not got a managed approach. it's the way in which the points—based system has been set up and managed by this government, that they have failed to connect it to our broader economy. no strategy and skills, on labour markets, support measures, and training, on ensuring maximising opportunities for local talent. and our plan is to connect the points—based system much more closely to workforce planning, proper dialogue with businesses and trade unions. 50 proper dialogue with businesses and trade unions-— trade unions. so “ust to be clear, then, i trade unions. sojust to be clear, then, i understand _ trade unions. sojust to be clear, then, i understand that, - trade unions. sojust to be clear, then, i understand that, but - trade unions. sojust to be clear, then, i understand that, but to i trade unions. sojust to be clear, | then, i understand that, but to be clear, that means more people coming in. because we have got 100,000 vacancies in the nhs, 165,000 vacancies in the nhs,165,000 vacancies in the nhs,165,000 vacancies and social care. yes? h0. vacancies and social care. yes? no, it means vacancies and social care. yes? mfr, it means maximising opportunities for local people. how will you train them? you work with your sectors, from hospitality to health care, to construction. i'm talking about skilled work. you say to them, you want your sponsor employer status, fine, but where is your workforce planning? so you would allow the non—eu worker
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to come in to fill that gap while that british company trains up a british person, correctly ooh yes, it's a balancing. but the numbers will up, then. no, because over time, you will train up your local capacity and they will take over. but the numbers will go up, and eventually... i don't think you can say that. how do you feel 165,000 social care vacancies? you have got to look sector by sector, and have the workforce plan, and as that kicks in, you will have and as that kicks in, you will have an increase in the number ofjobs being given to local people, and a decrease in migration. {lister being given to local people, and a decrease in migration.— decrease in migration. over time. and of course. — decrease in migration. over time. and of course, another— decrease in migration. over time. and of course, another big - decrease in migration. over time. and of course, another big piece i decrease in migration. over time. i and of course, another big piece of this as we got 7 million people on the nhs waiting list. 2.5 million people on long—term sick. so there are huge opportunities to bring people who are in this country now, wanting to work, who are economically inactive because of the abject failure of the conservative government to manage this economy properly. 50. government to manage this economy --roerl. government to manage this economy --roerl . ,, ., government to manage this economy --roerl. ,, .,
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properly. so, keir starmer says the name properly. so, keir starmer says the game have — properly. so, keir starmer says the game have completely _ properly. so, keir starmer says the game have completely lost - properly. so, keir starmer says the j game have completely lost control, if we get the figures that are reported. lets look at those who came to the uk up tojune 2022. 277,000 people came to study. would you turn any of those away? i think that higher education... yes or no? that sector delivers £29 billion of much delivered money. so, no. ok. but there are questions around dependents that students bring, and we need to ensure that there is proper dialogue between universities and local authorities so that the housing is there, so that students aren't taking up more housing than the local community can actually provide. let's be clear, then. no, no. are you saying students who come from abroad to study here should not be able to bring dependence? h0. abroad to study here should not be able to bring dependence? him! abroad to study here should not be able to bring dependence? no, i am not sa in: able to bring dependence? no, i am not saying that- _ able to bring dependence? no, i am not saying that. i _ able to bring dependence? no, i am not saying that. i am _ able to bring dependence? no, i am not saying that. i am saying - able to bring dependence? no, i am not saying that. i am saying let's - not saying that. i am saying let's have a proper dialogue between the home office and the higher education authorities and local government. it is called governing the country properly. it is quite simple. 170,000 ukrainians will stop you would not turn any of those away?
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of would not turn any of those away? of course not. 76,000 people from hong kong. 0f 76,000 people from hong kong. of course not. 76,000 asylum claims? well, we need to manage the asylum process and clear the backlog.— clear the backlog. they were all civen clear the backlog. they were all given sanctuary _ clear the backlog. they were all given sanctuary here. _ clear the backlog. they were all given sanctuary here. yes, - clear the backlog. they were all i given sanctuary here. yes, people who are genuine _ given sanctuary here. yes, people who are genuine refugees, - given sanctuary here. yes, people who are genuine refugees, given i who are genuine refugees, given leave to remain? well, we need to manage the asylum process and clear the backlog. they were all given sanctuary here. yes, people who are genuine refugees, given leave to remain double they were. get the right to work, and a lot contribute a lot to our economy. hundred and 51,000 with work visas. would you turn there is a? that hundred and 51,000 with work visas. would you turn there is a?— would you turn there is a? that is where the — would you turn there is a? that is where the properly _ would you turn there is a? that is where the properly managed - where the properly managed points—based system comes into play. it is quite externally suella braverman stand there today on comments and criticises her own government's policy will stop she is the home secretary. this government has been in powerfor 13 years. they seem to be trying to blame everyone rather than take responsibility for what they have actually done, which is wreck our economy and wreck the points—based system. thank you very much, mr kinnock. thank you very much, mr kinnock. thank you. a bbc newsnight investigation has uncovered an immigration scam where pregnant migrant women pay british men up to £10,000 to pose as the father and use their name on the child's birth certificate. the child can then automatically get uk citizenship and the mother has
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a route to residency. divya talwar has this exclusive report. i think that's her. we've uncovered a brazen, elaborate immigration scam. there is a scandal waiting to be exposed. a year ago, i stumbled across some strange posts on social media. the posts were in vietnamese groups supposedly for people trying to find jobs, and the same words kept cropping up. almost all of these posts mention "red book". the red book is basically a british passport. these groups appear to provide an illicit marketplace to get hold of a uk passport. it involved pregnant migrant women
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without a visa finding british men. one name kept cropping up, someone called thi kim, who said they could help. we decided to get in touch. we posed as a young pregnant woman from vietnam, in the uk illegally. kim says she can help us and wants to meet. we send a researcher on our team undercover. i can see our undercover researcher just sitting outside. no sign of the woman yet. after almost an hour, the woman finally turns up. kim says she can find a british man to pose as the father.
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this would give the baby automatic citizenship, regardless of the mum's nationality. she could then apply to get a family visa to stay in the uk too. kim says the next step is for us to meet the potential fake dad. we would need to give a large deposit to secure the father. we are obviously not going to hand over any cash, so we tell kim we'll think about it. this fake father scam is incredibly elaborate, it is very sophisticated, incredibly difficult to police, and in a way, it's just proof of how desperate these women are and the incredible links they are prepared to go through in order to secure the right to remain in the uk.
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last year, the government granted nearly 5,000 family visas to other dependents, a category which includes those applying as parents of british children. we don't know how many of those were given to those who have cheated the system, but we managed to track some down. one of their stories is being portrayed by an actress. someone i knew introduced me to a man who agreed to be my baby father. then she got her child's british passport and a visa for her to stay in the uk too. this immigration lawyer says
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he is seeing this happening across different communities. he has even had people calling his immigration phone—in tv show telling him they have done it. here she drops a bombshell. it's shocking, isn't it? this scam has the potential to be widespread, potentially in the thousands. it's not a one—off, and it's been going on for years. but the home office hasjust not picked up on this, and there is a scandal waiting to be exposed. we keep hearing about a prolific fake dad service operating across the uk, known by some as the ring. we've been told that you can get a british dad for a price.
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it's supposed to be as easy as ordering a pizza. you just call up and order. hello... the man called himself tai. he soon gets back in touch, saying he's got a fake dad and wants to meet. our undercover researcher is posing as a pregnant woman without a visa. i wasn't expecting three guys to turn up. this is tai, the ringleader, organising the operation. twan — he's translating vietnamese to english for andrew, the british man born in london who'll pose as the dad.
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hello, is that tai do? my name is divya talwar. i'm a journalist for bbc news. we've got evidence of you running an illegal immigration scam. we have evidence of you running this illegal immigration scam. phone beeps he's just put the phone down. all the people we've spoken to involved in the fake fathers rackets have been confident about being able to dupe the authorities. so how can it be policed? if a child claims to be british or have a british parent and the other parent doesn't have a visa, that should ring alarm bells anyway. that should be a perfect case for them to say, right, can we have a dna test, please? that's why people are doing it, because there is no fear of any repercussions. the home office says it has measures in place to prevent and detect immigration fraud. it told us case workers receive
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fraud awareness training, and a range of checks are conducted during the processing of applications. where we need to establish the naturalfather is, additional evidence may be requested. meta, the company that owns facebook, says it doesn't allow the solicitation of birth certificate fraud on facebook, and says it will continue to remove content that violates its policies. we contacted t kim, twan, and andrew about the evidence we had. none of them have responded. the fake fathers racket appears to be an open secret in different migrant communities, and it looks like it's been happening for years under the radar of the authorities. the government has announced a package of support designed to make sure we don't suffer critical food
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shortages. a uk farm to fork summit is being held at downing street tomorrow as fears over high inflation and its impact on food production, have driven calls for government intervention in the supply chain. amongst the measures announced the government says it will offer support to help boost domestic fruit and veg production and invest in new technologies. but will it be enough to keep farmers in business and help families across the country facing soaring food prices? here's kate. the last six months have been marked by empty shelves. shoppers have struggled to get hold of staples like eggs and salad. some called it a wake—up call, a reminder of how fragile the uk food supply can be. on a campaign trail to become prime minister, rishi sunak promised to place a renewed focus on domestic food production, including hosting an annual food security summit at downing street, the first of which is tomorrow. food security is complicated. how much food is available and what we can provide
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here in the uk depends on things like climate, trade, available and and what we choose to put on it. but at tomorrow's madrid summit, there are the immediate pressures many farmers are under, and some are deliberately producing less so they can make more. in suffolk, basic costs like irrigating potato crops have skyrocketed. haste costs like irrigating potato crops have skyrocketed.— costs like irrigating potato crops have skyrocketed. costs like irrigating potato crops haves rocketed. ~ , ., have skyrocketed. we used to pay 11p er kilowatt have skyrocketed. we used to pay 11p per kilowatt hour _ have skyrocketed. we used to pay 11p per kilowatt hour for _ have skyrocketed. we used to pay 11p per kilowatt hour for electricity - per kilowatt hour for electricity and it went up to 36p last so a threefold increase. the electricity associated with putting these crops into store and run the bridges to keep them cool is massive. and then the fuel to power the tractors. hagar the fuel to power the tractors. how is it affected _ the fuel to power the tractors. how is it affected your _ the fuel to power the tractors. how is it affected your bottom line? last year it took close on a court of £1 million out of the bottom line of £1 million out of the bottom line of this business. unfortunately, the blister pass on those costs to the marketplace has been
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limited to this is the most difficult period anybody has been through the top but retailers know how important farmers off their business and they are trying to get as much money to farmers while still retaining the value for customers on the shelves. retaining the value for customers on the shelves-— retaining the value for customers on the shelves. ., , ., ., , the shelves. right now, some farmers are choosing — the shelves. right now, some farmers are choosing to _ the shelves. right now, some farmers are choosing to use _ the shelves. right now, some farmers are choosing to use their— the shelves. right now, some farmers are choosing to use their land - the shelves. right now, some farmers are choosing to use their land for- are choosing to use their land for something more profitable than supermarket staples. late something more profitable than supermarket staples.— something more profitable than supermarket staples. we have reduced the area of irrigated _
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supermarket staples. we have reduced the area of irrigated crops _ supermarket staples. we have reduced the area of irrigated crops by _ the area of irrigated crops by 30%, which has been significant. we have thankfully there has been a new market opened up for sugar beet and we have put in solar panels and we graze sheep underneath them and we have entered a major carbon sequestration scheme, planting polonia trays, so we have reduced the area of food production quite considerably over the last year. this doesn't automatically mean shortages are ahead for the uk currently producesjust shortages are ahead for the uk currently produces just over 50% of the vegetables it consumes and a good harvest could make up for lost planting. but tonight the government, which recently abandoned plans for a proper strategy for the horticulture sector, and out for the sport, including reviews into egg horticulture supply chains, something unions have been campaigning for. late something unions have been campaigning for.— something unions have been camaiaunin for. ~ ., something unions have been camaiaunin for. ~ . ., campaigning for. we wanted them to act with eggs. _ campaigning for. we wanted them to act with eggs. we — campaigning for. we wanted them to act with eggs, we saw— campaigning for. we wanted them to act with eggs, we saw billy _ campaigning for. we wanted them to act with eggs, we saw billy and - campaigning for. we wanted them to act with eggs, we saw billy and lessl act with eggs, we saw billy and less produced last year, and again this year, with salad agreement for we would have liked them to use the
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powers they have because it is clear that consumers have to pay more, there isn't the price going back to there isn't the price going back to the producerfor the there isn't the price going back to the producer for the extra costs they are facing, so we need to know what is going on in that supply chain, if we are going to correct it. �* . , ., ., , it. but retailers had hoped tomorrow's _ it. but retailers had hoped tomorrow's madrid - it. but retailers had hoped| tomorrow's madrid summit it. but retailers had hoped - tomorrow's madrid summit could be it. but retailers had hoped _ tomorrow's madrid summit could be an opportunity for attentive action. i opportunity for attentive action. 1 would like to see the opportunity for attentive action. i would like to see the government looking at regulatory costs, is it appropriate apply them now, because that's going to add £a billion in costs to the industry over the next year which could avoid, it could postpone for a year or so, give it some breathing space. i would also like it to look seriously at the labour market. is like it to look seriously at the labour market.— like it to look seriously at the labour market. , ., . , , labour market. is not the measures will aim to — labour market. is not the measures will aim to strengthen _ labour market. is not the measures will aim to strengthen the - labour market. is not the measures will aim to strengthen the chain - will aim to strengthen the chain which gets food from farm to table but not every link which gets food from farm to table but not every [ink may feel getting the same support. and kate is here with news hot off the press of a government announcement ahead of the summit. as well as the reviews into the egg and horticulture supply shoots, the
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comment says there will be a new framework for trade negotiations to protect the uk but will welfare standards, there are working groups to bring together retailers and growers, and changes to planning policy to make it easier to build things like greenhouses. unions are welcome this as a sign food security is being taken seriously, although individual summers want more detail on what is going to be cheap. but the british retail consortium highlight that this only targeting a very small part of the supply chain and, without measures to also help packaging and manufacturing there are also unsure what impact could have on consumers. and now i am joined by henry dimbleby, founder of the leon restaurant chain. he resigned from his position as government food adviser in april, citing his frustration with over policy making. in fact, you served underfive secretaries of state and former prime ministers. what do you think of these measures announced by the current one? it’s of these measures announced by the current one?— current one? it's trying to get the train back on _ current one? it's trying to get the train back on the _
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