good morning and welcome to the nation's phone in. it is on the radio, television. food prices: reality or rip off? we're going to talk about the cost of food — when we discussed this last month we had a huge response about the impact of soaring food prices on you. a massive issue and it is not going away any time soon. you go to the supermarket you look at the packet and make a momentous decision as to whether to ballot, do i buy what i

used to. the fork to farm summit, the prime minister at meeting stakeholders, cheaper cuts, needs must and they will be discussing how we improve food security and production. we've also got new figues from which? that put food inflation for april at over i7% — the consumer group says prices ofjuice, chocolate, water, fish, chilled ready meals and cheese are continuing to rise. the british retail consortium saying it is confident that supermarkets are doing all they can to keep food prices low. get in touch with us this morning. food prices, reality or rip off?

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welcome to the programme. let me tell you more about the summit today at downing street, the fork to farm summit. farmers representatives are bare. food and retail bodies. supermarket chiefs, trying to get joined up thinking across the supply chain, the backdrop of which is this rampant food inflation. at the heart of your life, our lives at the moment. it's a whole basket of reasons, the raw, energy costs, pandemic, brexit, we get lots of food from the eu, climate impact, bad harvests, currency, transport costs. but the supermarkets, profit

is one thing, profiteering another, lots of fingers being pointed in their direction at the moment so we are asking this morning how you are coping and everyone involved and there are a lot of people in the supply chain. food prices, reality or rip off? lisa joins us from the consumer organisation which. tell us exactly what is happening. people know what is happening because they go to the supermarket but you have the facts and figures, where are we? every month we run a survey of thousands, over 20,000 food and drink products across the eight major supermarkets and we track food inflation each month. compared to the previous 12 months. food inflation is not going to be a surprise to anyone remaining extremely high. we are looking at a

bite i7.i% extremely high. we are looking at a bite i7.i% inflation on food compared to the previous 12 months, down on last month, we are talking 0.i% down on last month, we are talking 0.i% down from 17.2% down to i7.i%, shockingly high. but even more worryingly budget ranges, the supermarket own brand budget ranges, the inflation on those is more like 25%. that's the people who are most reliant on the most value budget ranges are the ones hardest hit again. why is that? the profit margins are slimmer on those ranges. it makes sense to overtake bigger hits when prices fluctuate. unfortunately those products are not easily accessible to everyone, not in every single store. we did a bit of research where we went into the

convenience versions of the bigger supermarkets and we gave the shop is a list of 25 items to try and buy, all had to be the budget version of the items under the convenience stores there were only able to get one or two of them were as in the out—of—town supermarkets they could get most of them so unfortunately those struggling the most and on the lowest budgets in the first place are the ones who will struggle the most to fill a shopping basket. the prime minister is hosting a lot of people, stakeholders from across the industry. the supermarkets will be there for this fork to farm summit, i have to be very careful when i say that! big stuff and very important but if you were the prime minister what would you say to representatives of the big supermarkets? irate representatives of the big supermarkets?— representatives of the big supermarkets? we think the supermarket _ supermarkets? we think the supermarket should - supermarkets? we think the supermarket should do - supermarkets? we think the | supermarket should do more supermarkets? we think the - supermarket should do more and supermarkets? we think the _ supermarket should do more and there is more that can be done. i do not want to hear supermarkets say they

are doing another body because they are doing another body because they are not. as i mentioned the budget ranges, the accessibility to affordable healthy food for people needs to be improved. in those convenience stores we need to see a better range of products, not talking about artificially pushing down food prices, we are saying make cheaper frauds down food prices, we are saying make cheaperfrauds more down food prices, we are saying make cheaper frauds more available everywhere. also there is something called unit pricing which is really important for someone who is budgeting. unit pricing effectively tells you, it is on the bar code on the sticker on the shelf, it does not appear every time but it says what the prices per 100 grams or millimetres or per item for example. when you are looking across the she” when you are looking across the shelf you can see which one is actually the best value rather than looking at the headline discount prices which sometimes can be misleading. figs

prices which sometimes can be misleading-— prices which sometimes can be misleadina. �* , ,, ., misleading. as you say the long-term health and economic _ misleading. as you say the long-term health and economic consequences i misleading. as you say the long-term health and economic consequences of! health and economic consequences of the whole cost of living crisis will play out for years to come. let's get the perspective of the supermarkets, your perspective, get in touch, call us on 08085 909693. textus on 85085. as you head for the supermarket aisles, what are you seeing and how is it impacting you? we want to hear from you. bill grimsey, chief executive of iceland and former chief executive of wickes as well. good morning. pare and former chief executive of wickes as well. good morning.— as well. good morning. are you there? good — as well. good morning. are you there? good morning, - as well. good morning. are you there? good morning, how- as well. good morning. are you there? good morning, how are| as well. good morning. are you - there? good morning, how are you? i am fine, haunting _ there? good morning, how are you? i am fine, haunting and _ there? good morning, how are you? i am fine, haunting and respond - there? good morning, how are you? i am fine, haunting and respond to - am fine, haunting and respond to what you heard from lisa, speak to her. ., , what you heard from lisa, speak to her. .,, ., ., , what you heard from lisa, speak to her. ., ., , her. lisa has got a very good point, the margins — her. lisa has got a very good point, the margins are _ her. lisa has got a very good point, the margins are thinner _ her. lisa has got a very good point, the margins are thinner on - her. lisa has got a very good point, the margins are thinner on value i the margins are thinner on value lines. _ the margins are thinner on value lines. the — the margins are thinner on value lines, the own label lines, the bottom — lines, the own label lines, the bottom end of the price range. if

they are — bottom end of the price range. if they are going up, quicker than the bland _ they are going up, quicker than the bland prices, that is concerning but i think_ bland prices, that is concerning but i think it's — bland prices, that is concerning but i think it's important to say i am probably— i think it's important to say i am probably of a generation in the industry— probably of a generation in the industry that remembers the last time we — industry that remembers the last time we had inflation of this nature in the _ time we had inflation of this nature in the 705 — time we had inflation of this nature in the 70s and i've lived through this as _ in the 70s and i've lived through this as a — in the 70s and i've lived through this as a young boy at that time and if anybody— this as a young boy at that time and if anybody thinks prices are going to come — if anybody thinks prices are going to come down quickly anytime soon, are not _ to come down quickly anytime soon, are not the — to come down quickly anytime soon, are not. the factors that are hitting — are not. the factors that are hitting the price rises, some of them _ hitting the price rises, some of them have _ hitting the price rises, some of them have come down. the pandemic caused _ them have come down. the pandemic caused freight prices to rise enormously. that fed through into pricing _ enormously. that fed through into pricing. the water, energy prices are going — pricing. the water, energy prices are going up on that bed into pricing — are going up on that bed into pricing in— are going up on that bed into pricing in manufacturing and getting things— pricing in manufacturing and getting things on— pricing in manufacturing and getting things on the road through petrol. they are _ things on the road through petrol. they are starting to ease. in fact, fred _ they are starting to ease. in fact, fred has — they are starting to ease. in fact,

fred has come down to pre—pandemic costs _ fred has come down to pre—pandemic costs and _ fred has come down to pre—pandemic costs. and energy pricing you will start _ costs. and energy pricing you will start to _ costs. and energy pricing you will start to ce — costs. and energy pricing you will start to ce scene but it will not -et start to ce scene but it will not get fed — start to ce scene but it will not get fed through into pricing unless the competition works. we are in a society— the competition works. we are in a society where we believe competition will drive _ society where we believe competition will drive down the pricing because as people — will drive down the pricing because as people go after business. tesco has recently changed its attitude to its clubcard. and so sainsbury's followed — its clubcard. and so sainsbury's followed suit, they have taken back some _ followed suit, they have taken back some of— followed suit, they have taken back some of the advantages. i thought they were — some of the advantages. i thought they were going to do what they did in the _ they were going to do what they did in the 70s _ they were going to do what they did in the 70s when they stopped green shield _ in the 70s when they stopped green shield stamps and followed the savings — shield stamps and followed the savings into lower prices and give the uk _ savings into lower prices and give the uk consumer what it needs today, particularly _ the uk consumer what it needs today, particularly those worse off, at lower— particularly those worse off, at lower prices, they are interested in unit pricing — lower prices, they are interested in unit pricing as wasjust sad and they— unit pricing as wasjust sad and they need _ unit pricing as wasjust sad and they need to choose between heating or eating _

they need to choose between heating or eating and they are struggling day in _ or eating and they are struggling day in and — or eating and they are struggling day in and out. i think if i was at the summit— day in and out. i think if i was at the summit today i would say why isn't competition working as it should? — isn't competition working as it should? why aren't you driving for more _ should? why aren't you driving for more market share? is should? why aren't you driving for more market share?— should? why aren't you driving for more market share? is there enough social responsibility, _ more market share? is there enough social responsibility, while _ more market share? is there enough social responsibility, while at - more market share? is there enough social responsibility, while at the - social responsibility, while at the headis social responsibility, while at the head is still in another place, the supermarkets.— head is still in another place, the su ermarkets. . , ., supermarkets. pre-pandemic, pre-war? the ma supermarkets. pre-pandemic, pre-war? they may their— supermarkets. pre-pandemic, pre-war? they may theirjob _ supermarkets. pre-pandemic, pre-war? they may theirjob is _ supermarkets. pre-pandemic, pre-war? they may theirjob is to _ supermarkets. pre-pandemic, pre-war? they may theirjob is to first _ supermarkets. pre-pandemic, pre-war? they may theirjob is to first and - they may theirjob is to first and foremast— they may theirjob is to first and foremost work in the best interests of their— foremost work in the best interests of their shareholders, that is the one line — of their shareholders, that is the one line job description of a chief executive — one line job description of a chief executive. it does not have all of that listed — executive. it does not have all of that listed underneath that how you do that _ that listed underneath that how you do that and some chief executives will say— do that and some chief executives will say i — do that and some chief executives will say i want to do it by being corporately socially responsible and i corporately socially responsible and i want _ corporately socially responsible and i want to _ corporately socially responsible and i want to create a brand where people — i want to create a brand where people have confidence in it that they are — people have confidence in it that they are getting a fair deal and i think— they are getting a fair deal and i think we — they are getting a fair deal and i think we are seeing evidence of that

historically. are we seeing it today at a time _ historically. are we seeing it today at a time when it is vital that people — at a time when it is vital that people access lower prices? i do not think— people access lower prices? i do not think we _ people access lower prices? i do not think we are — people access lower prices? i do not think we are seeing it as quickly as we could _ think we are seeing it as quickly as we could and competition needs to click on— we could and competition needs to click on and the best driver of that is tesco, _ click on and the best driver of that is tesco, they are the biggest out there _ is tesco, they are the biggest out there and — is tesco, they are the biggest out there and they should be hitting the price button as hard as they can. lisa, _ price button as hard as they can. lisa, do— price button as hard as they can. lisa, do you _ price button as hard as they can. lisa, do you think competition is not working, and is at the heart of the problem?— the problem? interesting the competition _ the problem? interesting the competition and _ the problem? interesting the competition and markets - the problem? interesting the - competition and markets authority announced yesterday it is looking into whether competition is working effectively. in the supermarket industry. because we all know competition is good for everyone. the authority says it has not seen any individual proof that there is anti—competitive behaviour but certainly they have announced they will be looking at it and i think the results of that consultation and investigation will be very

interesting.— investigation will be very interestinu. �* , ., interesting. i've been looking at some stuff _ interesting. i've been looking at some stuff here, _ interesting. i've been looking at some stuff here, farmers, - interesting. i've been looking at some stuff here, farmers, let's| interesting. i've been looking at - some stuff here, farmers, let's hear from the apple growers for example. fruit has seen big price rises, hasn't it? the uk apple growing industry is in a real crisis situation. brexit is a part of that. they blame brexit for one of the reasons for this pretty rapid decline but they are struggling with a number of issues, the issue we were discussing yesterday, the shortage of foreign workers as well, high energy costs, low returns from supermarkets to buy their produce, that's one of the reason stated by those who work in that sector which is what we are on today. we can speak now to less in leicestershire. and we have tom in weymouth, tom, you first, a dairy farmer, i was talking about the apple producers and farmers but welcome and good

morning. and farmers but welcome and good morninu. ~ . , and farmers but welcome and good morninu. ~ ., , ~ ., morning. what is it like for you? pretty difficult. _ morning. what is it like for you? pretty difficult, i _ morning. what is it like for you? pretty difficult, i would - morning. what is it like for you? pretty difficult, i would say. - morning. what is it like for you? pretty difficult, i would say. i- morning. what is it like for you? | pretty difficult, i would say. i am not quite as affected as a lot of people but milk prices have fallen but we are still stuck with rising costs of fertiliser and energy. tell! costs of fertiliser and energy. tell me more. — costs of fertiliser and energy. tell me more. how — costs of fertiliser and energy. tell me more, how it— costs of fertiliser and energy. tell me more, how it has changed over the last three or four years?— last three or four years? diesel rice has last three or four years? diesel price has doubled, _ last three or four years? diesel price has doubled, for- last three or four years? diesel price has doubled, for us - last three or four years? diesel i price has doubled, for us normally 850 granville, is now 100 grand, electricity has gone from 30 grand to 120 grand, fertiliserfrom to 120 grand, fertiliser from 100,000 to 120 grand, fertiliserfrom 100,000 up to 300,000. and now the milk prices have fallen by about 10p per litre which for us is about £400,000.— per litre which for us is about £400,000. �* , ., ., ., £400,000. are you getting a fair deal from the _ £400,000. are you getting a fair deal from the supermarkets? i £400,000. are you getting a fair deal from the supermarkets? we | £400,000. are you getting a fair. deal from the supermarkets? we do not su -l deal from the supermarkets? we do not sopply the _ deal from the supermarkets? we do not supply the supermarkets, i deal from the supermarkets? we do not supply the supermarkets, we i not supply the supermarkets, we produce milk for cheese. so we will

be selling cheese, cheese prices were slow to come up but have started to go back down. we are on the world price, the commodity price, i guess, the world price, the commodity price, iguess, in the world price, the commodity price, i guess, in terms of milk. what about your own mental health through all of this and the worry about all, thinking about the future, what is that like? there is alwa s future, what is that like? there is always informing, _ future, what is that like? there is always informing, we _ future, what is that like? there is always informing, we are - future, what is that like? there is always informing, we are always. always informing, we are always forming with the weather so i guess it's a high stress business and i guess most of us are relatively tolerant to stress. but i do a bit of counselling and may use a consultant and have regular staff meetings to try and mitigate the stress and keep everything out on the table. , , , the table. less is in leicestershire, i the table. less is in | leicestershire, good the table. less is in _ leicestershire, good morning. what is it like for you? for

leicestershire, good morning. what is it like for you?— is it like for you? for me personally _ is it like for you? for me personally it _ is it like for you? for me personally it is _ is it like for you? for me personally it is not i is it like for you? for me personally it is not really affecting me too much. i am quite comfortable. but i am watching a lot of people _ comfortable. but i am watching a lot of people who are struggling badly. and i used to be a debt adviser for the locai— and i used to be a debt adviser for the local authority and i've got quite — the local authority and i've got quite a — the local authority and i've got quite a few people around me who are really— quite a few people around me who are really struggling and they are on very low— really struggling and they are on very low incomes. and a disproportionate amount of their income — disproportionate amount of their income is — disproportionate amount of their income is spent on essential items. they have _ income is spent on essential items. they have no money for luxury goods. everything _ they have no money for luxury goods. everything is — they have no money for luxury goods. everything is spent on food and rent and it's_ everything is spent on food and rent and it's these items that are going up and it's these items that are going up more _ and it's these items that are going up more than anything. and how they are hoiding _ up more than anything. and how they are holding it together, ijust do not know — are holding it together, ijust do not know. when you are talking about

cheese _ not know. when you are talking about cheese doubling in price, bread doubting. — cheese doubling in price, bread doubling, eggs doubling, and then the rent _ doubling, eggs doubling, and then the rent is — doubling, eggs doubling, and then the rent is going up as well. and they— the rent is going up as well. and they have — the rent is going up as well. and they have no negotiating power, you know, _ they have no negotiating power, you know. they— they have no negotiating power, you know, they are not in a position of the nurses— know, they are not in a position of the nurses and the railwaymen, they cannot— the nurses and the railwaymen, they cannot negotiate wage increases. i have got— cannot negotiate wage increases. i have got a — cannot negotiate wage increases. i have got a friend who has got three little children. and to watch is heartbreaking. every single day. seeing _ heartbreaking. every single day. seeing the pricesjust keep going up. seeing the pricesjust keep going up and — seeing the pricesjust keep going up. and we are going to have a nation — up. and we are going to have a nation of— up. and we are going to have a nation of very sick people. the way, the stress _ nation of very sick people. the way, the stress for these people isjust enormous — the stress for these people is 'ust enormous. the long-term consequences. _ enormous. the long-term

consequences. so - enormous. the long-term consequences. so many. enormous. the long-term i consequences. so many people enormous. the long-term - consequences. so many people are 'ust consequences. so many people are just standing — consequences. so many people are just standing back _ consequences. so many people are just standing back and _ consequences. so many people are just standing back and saying i consequences. so many people are just standing back and saying not i consequences. so many people are | just standing back and saying not my problem _ just standing back and saying not my problem. tell just standing back and saying not my roblem. ., ,, problem. tell me about your friend, how it is affecting _ problem. tell me about your friend, how it is affecting her _ problem. tell me about your friend, how it is affecting her and _ problem. tell me about your friend, how it is affecting her and her i how it is affecting her and her family and you've met some really great points. she family and you've met some really great points-— family and you've met some really great points. she says she is coping but i am watching _ great points. she says she is coping but i am watching her— great points. she says she is coping but i am watching her fall _ great points. she says she is coping but i am watching her fall apart, i l but i am watching her fall apart, i see the _ but i am watching her fall apart, i see the stress. she is on her own with— see the stress. she is on her own with three — see the stress. she is on her own with three children. and she is coming — with three children. and she is coming apart at the seams. i know that she _ coming apart at the seams. i know that she has — coming apart at the seams. i know that she has a little bit of savings _ that she has a little bit of savings. which has carried her through — savings. which has carried her through. but every day she sees the bills coming in and i know the savings — bills coming in and i know the savings are just disappearing. it is very upsetting. savings are just disappearing. it is very upsetting-_ savings are just disappearing. it is very upsetting. thank you so much. stehen very upsetting. thank you so much. stephen runs _ very upsetting. thank you so much. stephen runs a _ very upsetting. thank you so much. stephen runs a craft _ very upsetting. thank you so much. stephen runs a craft bakery - very upsetting. thank you so much. stephen runs a craft bakery in i stephen runs a craft bakery in bolton, what's the impact on business and also your customers?

good morning, we are stuck in the middle. _ good morning, we are stuck in the middle. we — good morning, we are stuck in the middle, we have our own increments, vegetable _ middle, we have our own increments, vegetable oil and fat up by 50%, flower— vegetable oil and fat up by 50%, flower hy— vegetable oil and fat up by 50%, flower by 40%, plastic packaging tax and the _ flower by 40%, plastic packaging tax and the other spent the last financial— and the other spent the last financial year by £1 million in electricai— financial year by £1 million in electrical and not to mention the ovens— electrical and not to mention the ovens that — electrical and not to mention the ovens that run on gas. it seems the expenses— ovens that run on gas. it seems the expenses we are paying and trying to juggle _ expenses we are paying and trying to juggle, obviously there is the labour— juggle, obviously there is the labour that went up as well by 10%. that was— labour that went up as well by 10%. that was an — labour that went up as well by 10%. that was an add—on to the costs of £750,000 — that was an add—on to the costs of £750,000 alone just for the bakery, we have _ £750,000 alone just for the bakery, we have 60 — £750,000 alone just for the bakery, we have 60 of our own shops as well but on _ we have 60 of our own shops as well but on the _ we have 60 of our own shops as well but on the other side of that 60% of our turnover — but on the other side of that 60% of our turnover comes from our own shops— our turnover comes from our own shops which— our turnover comes from our own shops which are selling directly to the customer and it's not a problem they are _ the customer and it's not a problem they are unfamiliar with some of the amount— they are unfamiliar with some of the amount we — they are unfamiliar with some of the amount we can put up prices by or the amount— amount we can put up prices by or the amount that will be accepted by customers— the amount that will be accepted by customers is limited because a lot

of the _ customers is limited because a lot of the commodities, the prices directed — of the commodities, the prices directed by the supermarkets which have economies of scale that we do not so _ have economies of scale that we do not so there's only so much we can put up _ not so there's only so much we can put up prices — not so there's only so much we can put up prices without having to look internally— put up prices without having to look internally whether it's reducing or offering, — internally whether it's reducing or offering, making ourselves more efficient — offering, making ourselves more efficient. we are fighting against changing our ingredients are less quality— changing our ingredients are less quality ingredients because quality is one _ quality ingredients because quality is one of— quality ingredients because quality is one of the things we pride ourselves— is one of the things we pride ourselves on. it seems a never ending _ ourselves on. it seems a never ending battle. ourselves on. it seems a never ending battle-— ourselves on. it seems a never endin: battle. , ., ., , ending battle. give me an example, what miiht ending battle. give me an example, what might you _ ending battle. give me an example, what might you or— ending battle. give me an example, what might you or what _ ending battle. give me an example, what might you or what you - ending battle. give me an example, what might you or what you in i ending battle. give me an example, what might you or what you in that i what might you or what you in that eventuality have to change about your ingredients for example? bg�*s�*: eventuality have to change about your ingredients for example? 6096 of our turnover— your ingredients for example? 6096 of our turnover is — your ingredients for example? 6096 of our turnover is also _ your ingredients for example? 6096 of our turnover is also from _ your ingredients for example? 6096 of our turnover is also from or _ your ingredients for example? 6096 of our turnover is also from or savings i our turnover is also from or savings department— our turnover is also from or savings department so it is pies, pasties, sausage — department so it is pies, pasties, sausage rolls. we can use different fats hut _ sausage rolls. we can use different fats but the facts we use we make sure have — fats but the facts we use we make sure have a — fats but the facts we use we make sure have a melting point so faint you eat _ sure have a melting point so faint you eat it. — sure have a melting point so faint

you eat it, you do not get the palette — you eat it, you do not get the palette killing in your mouth but there _ palette killing in your mouth but there other facts we could use which we will— there other facts we could use which we will not _ there other facts we could use which we will not because it alters quality _ we will not because it alters quality but there is also the type of logic— quality but there is also the type of logic that we use. we import a type of— of logic that we use. we import a type of lot — of logic that we use. we import a type of lot from italy because of the quality. the bread may make one half long _ the quality. the bread may make one half long times because we use sponge — half long times because we use sponge and door, sourdough, long fermentation times to generate flavour— fermentation times to generate flavour but you need a flower, high quality _ flavour but you need a flower, high quality protein to cope with that so we import— quality protein to cope with that so we import flower from canada which has this— we import flower from canada which has this type of product quality but you can _ has this type of product quality but you can register fermentation time and the _ you can register fermentation time and the character of the crust and crumb. _ and the character of the crust and crumb. you — and the character of the crust and crumb, you can do these things but in order— crumb, you can do these things but in order to — crumb, you can do these things but in order to do that you need to reduce — in order to do that you need to reduce the _ in order to do that you need to reduce the quality of the product which _ reduce the quality of the product which is — reduce the quality of the product which is something we are not going to do— which is something we are not going to do because we cannot compete on price because frankly people can make _ price because frankly people can make things cheaper and quicker than we can— make things cheaper and quicker than we can so— make things cheaper and quicker than we can so the only thing we have to

compete _ we can so the only thing we have to compete on — we can so the only thing we have to compete on is quality of products and flexibility to the wholesale customers for we do not have long turnover— customers for we do not have long turnover times. we are willing to change _ turnover times. we are willing to change the — turnover times. we are willing to change the production schedule to accommodate some of these orders so we can— accommodate some of these orders so we can compete on flexibility. so without _ we can compete on flexibility. so without tarnishing our quality and brand _ without tarnishing our quality and brand quality, there is very little we can— brand quality, there is very little we can do. — brand quality, there is very little we can do, really.— we can do, really. lots of text comini we can do, really. lots of text coming in- _ we can do, really. lots of text coming in- a _ we can do, really. lots of text coming in. a tin _ we can do, really. lots of text coming in. a tin of _ we can do, really. lots of text coming in. a tin of soup, i we can do, really. lots of text i coming in. a tin of soup, £1.70, that has got to be a rip—off, from pam in birmingham. thank you to everyone getting in touch. i cannot see prices ever coming down to the level before this inflation, i remember prices of the 70s, the prices of coffee went up and never went back down, that is from anna in dudley. another viewer says i work in a supermarket and in some items to spend 100% increase, apple and

rhubarb pies used to be a poynt now they are £1 products going up in price and a lot more than inflation. another one, my local co—op has four pints of milk for £1 35, i by four pints of milk for £1 35, i by four pints of milk for £1 35, i by four pints of milk for the hell of it! that is from dave. i in dudley, hello! good morning. the that is from dave. i in dudley, hello! good morning. the stages use! when i hello! good morning. the stages use! whenl io hello! good morning. the stages use! when i go shopping — hello! good morning. the stages use! when i go shopping l _ hello! good morning. the stages use! when i go shopping i cannot- hello! good morning. the stages use! when i go shopping i cannot the i when i go shopping i cannot the prices of food because the relative weights, you get 100 grams for 50p and then it might be a kilo at another price so i cannot compare them, i do not have maths! do you understand what i mean? i absolutely understand- —

understand what i mean? i absolutely understand. do _ understand what i mean? i absolutely understand. do you _ understand what i mean? i absolutely understand. do you think _ understand what i mean? i absolutely understand. do you think there i understand. do you think there should be for more clarity about pricing? should be for more clarity about -iricin ? , ~ should be for more clarity about ”ricin? , ~ , pricing? yes, i think sometimes rices pricing? yes, i think sometimes prices are _ pricing? yes, i think sometimes prices are just — pricing? yes, i think sometimes prices are just to _ pricing? yes, i think sometimes prices are just to bamboozle i pricing? yes, i think sometimes prices are just to bamboozle us. pricing? yes, i think sometimes i prices are just to bamboozle us. you you cannot compare different sorts of toothpaste because they have different sizes and you cannot compare everything. i different sizes and you cannot compare everything.- different sizes and you cannot compare everything. i am going to throw that over _ compare everything. i am going to throw that over to _ compare everything. i am going to throw that over to bell, _ compare everything. i am going to throw that over to bell, former i throw that over to bell, former chief executive of iceland he joins us this morning. fight! chief executive of iceland he “oins us this morningi chief executive of iceland he “oins us this morning. and i do not think the supermarkets _ us this morning. and i do not think the supermarkets are _ us this morning. and i do not think the supermarkets are interested i us this morning. and i do not think the supermarkets are interested in making life easier for people, they are wanting our money. they are going to make more and more money with all the prices going up. bill said ultimately is the mac —— it is about the shareholders. what about the jiggery—pokery, about the shareholders. what about thejiggery—pokery, the psychology the jiggery—pokery, the psychology and thejiggery—pokery, the psychology and research involved, for you put

things in the supermarket aisles to make people buy certain things, do you think that is happening? i think the need you think that is happening? i think they need to _ you think that is happening? i think they need to put — you think that is happening? i think they need to put all _ you think that is happening? i think they need to put all of _ you think that is happening? i think they need to put all of the - you think that is happening? i think they need to put all of the cheaper| they need to put all of the cheaper things in one place. so that you can buy. everything you want that is cheap in one place, you do not have to go anywhere else in the shop, just in the one place. if to go anywhere else in the shop, just in the one place.— just in the one place. if you were at the fork— just in the one place. if you were at the fork to _ just in the one place. if you were at the fork to farm _ just in the one place. if you were at the fork to farm summit, i just in the one place. if you were i at the fork to farm summit, tricky, if you were at downing street today and you were sitting down with the supermarkets, what what your message be to them? to supermarkets, what what your message be to them? ., , ., , .,, ., be to them? to listen to people who are running — be to them? to listen to people who are running the _ be to them? to listen to people who are running the four _ be to them? to listen to people who are running the four banks. - be to them? to listen to people who are running the four banks. and i be to them? to listen to people who are running the four banks. and to l are running the four banks. and to help them. —— the food banks. social help them. -- the food banks. social conscience. — help them. -- the food banks. social conscience, read _ help them. -- the food banks. social conscience, read the _ help them. -- the food banks. social conscience, read the room, - help them. -- the food banks. social conscience, read the room, if- help them. -- the food banks. social conscience, read the room, if you i conscience, read the room, if you like and know what is happening out there. quincy, do you want to come

back on those points made by anna? i think anna has a very good point and the sensible — think anna has a very good point and the sensible approach supermarkets today will— the sensible approach supermarkets today will be to put their customers first _ today will be to put their customers first and _ today will be to put their customers first. and to try and respond to what _ first. and to try and respond to what has — first. and to try and respond to what hasjust been said. try to hring _ what hasjust been said. try to bring prices down, be more aggressive on pricing and compete in the marketplace in order to satisfy their objective of shareholder returns — their objective of shareholder returns rather than concentrating on the returns — returns rather than concentrating on the returns and not taking this social— the returns and not taking this social responsibility that would help and assist the brand today and the jiggery—pokery that has gone on throughout my career! i am now retired _ throughout my career! i am now retired as— throughout my career! i am now retired as you know but throughout my career. — retired as you know but throughout my career, things like the buy one -et my career, things like the buy one get one _ my career, things like the buy one get one free, the 342 pricing is all

a little _ get one free, the 342 pricing is all a little bit — get one free, the 342 pricing is all a little bit like the three card trick — a little bit like the three card trick and _ a little bit like the three card trick. and the thing that was poignant, how can four pints of milk be £180, _ poignant, how can four pints of milk be £1.80, for the guy set at the co-op _ be £1.80, for the guy set at the co-op and _ be £1.80, for the guy set at the co—op and two points be £1.40 old? as a nation — co—op and two points be £1.40 old? as a nation at a time when there is row challenges around for these people — row challenges around for these people who cannot feed their families— people who cannot feed their families and i think richard walker was on _ families and i think richard walker was on record, the chief executive of iceland — was on record, the chief executive of iceland and he said how are you getting _ of iceland and he said how are you getting on— of iceland and he said how are you getting on with competition from supermarkets like aldi and lidl and he said _ supermarkets like aldi and lidl and he said our— supermarkets like aldi and lidl and he said our biggest competition or food banks now. that is astonishing. there _ food banks now. that is astonishing. there was— food banks now. that is astonishing. there was a — food banks now. that is astonishing. there was a time you could go to lidl and you just had the basic

range but now they seem to increase their product line so much, i have adhd. i go into a shop and seen 15 different types of tomatoes in a tin is really confusing. raj from barking s with us. is your message to the supermarkets broke off? what would you like to say? good morning, lovely to hear your programme. supermarkets need to think about the million pound profits but they do not think about the customer. people are struggling. can you tell the profit and get back to society. they are taking million

pound bonuses but why are they not thinking about taking half of the money and putting it back into the business and society?— business and society? more of a social conscience, _ business and society? more of a social conscience, what - business and society? more of a social conscience, what many i business and society? more of a i social conscience, what many people are saying this morning. do you think that would be good for a brand? edit think that would be good for a brand? . ., , think that would be good for a brand? .., , . , think that would be good for a brand? _, , ~ , ., brand? of course! anything from the supermarket — brand? of course! anything from the supermarket which _ brand? of course! anything from the supermarket which sets _ brand? of course! anything from the supermarket which sets a _ brand? of course! anything from the supermarket which sets a positive i supermarket which sets a positive example and for example say this yeari example and for example say this year i will not take my for example million pound bonus because of the profits so i am going to invest this back to the people and into society. doing something for the customers. how is it affecting your own shop and what sort of thing are you noticing? and what sort of thing are you noticin: ? ~ ~ , ., ,, ., noticing? milk, bread, essential thins, noticing? milk, bread, essential things. but, — noticing? milk, bread, essential things, but, going _ noticing? milk, bread, essential things, but, going up _ noticing? milk, bread, essential things, but, going up and i noticing? milk, bread, essential things, but, going up and up. i

noticing? milk, bread, essential. things, but, going up and up. very recently a little bit has come down about milk and bread, bread was going up, milk was going up, 99p product was £1 and 35 p. share going up, milk was going up, 99p product was £1 and 35 p.- product was £1 and 35 p. are you chaniiin product was £1 and 35 p. are you changing what — product was £1 and 35 p. are you changing what your _ product was £1 and 35 p. are you changing what your body - product was £1 and 35 p. are you changing what your body and i product was £1 and 35 p. are you | changing what your body and what product was £1 and 35 p. are you i changing what your body and what you put on the table? edit changing what your body and what you put on the table?— put on the table? of course, i never used to go — put on the table? of course, i never used to go into _ put on the table? of course, i never used to go into little _ put on the table? of course, i never used to go into little but _ put on the table? of course, i never used to go into little but now- put on the table? of course, i never used to go into little but now i i used to go into little but now i have started to go there because it is coming out the cheapest supermarket.— is coming out the cheapest supermarket. is coming out the cheapest su ermarket. ., , _, ., supermarket. lots coming in on the supermarkets _ supermarket. lots coming in on the supermarkets on _ supermarket. lots coming in on the supermarkets on the _ supermarket. lots coming in on the supermarkets on the text, - supermarket. lots coming in on the supermarkets on the text, i - supermarket. lots coming in on the supermarkets on the text, i will. supermarkets on the text, i will give you a couple more. the prices are rip off, i get that some prices go are rip off, i get that some prices 9° up, are rip off, i get that some prices go up, i rely on my pension and my bills have doubled and i have used my overdraft to pay the bills and i do not have a penny to spend on myself. i work in a supermarket every night and prices are going up,

not by a p but by as much as 60p, i do not see prices coming up and i see them going up and up under the supermarkets want is money. i do not think they care about customers. bill quincy, do they care about their customers? i think customers do care about customers, no doubt, —— i think companies do care about customers, no doubt, but the real question at the summit today is why is there not the summit today is why is there not the most aggressive price war going on right now? people need lower prices, you need to protect your shareholder returns and the way you do that is to protect your topline sales and go after as much as you can get, and in doing that you will bring prices down a bid to achieve that. . , .

bring prices down a bid to achieve that. ., , ., that. that is what we were same with ra' about that. that is what we were same with raj about the — that. that is what we were same with raj about the brand, _ that. that is what we were same with raj about the brand, it _ that. that is what we were same with raj about the brand, it would - that. that is what we were same with raj about the brand, it would be i raj about the brand, it would be great with the brand, it came up through our conversation. let's hear from ross, we want to get ross in cambridge on. from ross, we want to get ross in cambridge on-_ from ross, we want to get ross in cambridge on. what do you want to sa ? hi, cambridge on. what do you want to say? hi. nicky- _ cambridge on. what do you want to say? hi, nicky. the— cambridge on. what do you want to say? hi, nicky. the issue _ cambridge on. what do you want to say? hi, nicky. the issue we i cambridge on. what do you want to | say? hi, nicky. the issue we have is going _ say? hi, nicky. the issue we have is going from _ say? hi, nicky. the issue we have is going from being in a position where we thought we would be comfortable and able _ we thought we would be comfortable and able to plan for our future and know _ and able to plan for our future and know any— and able to plan for our future and know any extra money we had from my wife being _ know any extra money we had from my wife being able to work part time is now being — wife being able to work part time is now being swallowed up by this hyperinflation. 0n 23rd —— in 25 years' _ hyperinflation. 0n 23rd —— in 25 years' time _ hyperinflation. 0n 23rd —— in 25 years' time when i was hoping to possibly— years' time when i was hoping to possibly even go part—time, not even retire. _ possibly even go part—time, not even retire. that _ possibly even go part—time, not even retire, that has gone up in smoke. it is retire, that has gone up in smoke. it is the _ retire, that has gone up in smoke. it is the problem i will be facing in decades, not the problem we have now _ in decades, not the problem we have now. , , , ., in decades, not the problem we have now, , , ., ., ., , now. just explore that a little bit more for me- — now. just explore that a little bit more for me. this _ now. just explore that a little bit more for me. this is _ now. just explore that a little bit more for me. this is the - now. just explore that a little bit more for me. this is the new i now. just explore that a little bit i more for me. this is the new normal, a terrifying new normal? yes. more for me. this is the new normal, a terrifying new normal?— a terrifying new normal? yes, and it should not be _

a terrifying new normal? yes, and it should not be normal. _ a terrifying new normal? yes, and it should not be normal. looking i a terrifying new normal? yes, and it should not be normal. looking at i should not be normal. looking at generations past when they could look forward to retiring on a decent pension— look forward to retiring on a decent pension with a nice house and a nice life, pension with a nice house and a nice life. i— pension with a nice house and a nice life. i am _ pension with a nice house and a nice life, i am lying awake at light thinking _ life, i am lying awake at light thinking what will it be like in 20 years— thinking what will it be like in 20 years -- — thinking what will it be like in 20 years —— lying awake at night. we are working. _ years —— lying awake at night. we are working, working, working, nothing — are working, working, working, nothing is — are working, working, working, nothing is getting better and every time we _ nothing is getting better and every time we go to the supermarket or i fill my— time we go to the supermarket or i fill my fan— time we go to the supermarket or i fill my fan i— time we go to the supermarket or i fill my fan i can see the pound is slipping — fill my fan i can see the pound is slipping through our fingers. it should — slipping through our fingers. it should be going towards our future but it _ should be going towards our future but it is— should be going towards our future but it is depressing, stressful and an awful— but it is depressing, stressful and an awful time. but it is depressing, stressful and an awfultime.| but it is depressing, stressful and an awful time.— an awful time. i hate that expression, _ an awful time. i hate that expression, perfect i an awful time. i hate that. expression, perfect storm, an awful time. i hate that i expression, perfect storm, it is an awful time. i hate that - expression, perfect storm, it is a terrible storm, it is awful. all the stuff, the war, energy costs, the pandemic, brexit, all of those having an effect, we get lots of food from the eu, of course, and there is a problem in a lot of paperwork and red tape. poor

harvests etc. what should be done and who should do it?— and who should do it? maybe a reduction in — and who should do it? maybe a reduction in profits, _ and who should do it? maybe a reduction in profits, it - and who should do it? maybe a reduction in profits, it is i and who should do it? maybe a reduction in profits, it is a i reduction in profits, it is a perfect _ reduction in profits, it is a perfect storm that it only seems to affect _ perfect storm that it only seems to affect us. _ perfect storm that it only seems to affect us, the working class. it's not something to think about? a reduction — not something to think about? a reduction in profits to bring down prices? _ reduction in profits to bring down prices? there is nothing i can do. there _ prices? there is nothing i can do. there is— prices? there is nothing i can do. there is nothing 99% of the population can do, we are at the will of— population can do, we are at the will of the — population can do, we are at the will of the 1%. is population can do, we are at the will of the 1%.— population can do, we are at the will of the 196. is that you coming back in, will of the 196. is that you coming back in. raj? _ will of the 196. is that you coming back in, raj? somebody - will of the 196. is that you coming back in, raj? somebody has i will of the 196. is that you coming back in, raj? somebody has to i will of the 196. is that you coming l back in, raj? somebody has to tell back in, ra'? somebody has to tell the back in, raj? somebody has to tell the supermarkets _ back in, raj? somebody has to tell the supermarkets that _ back in, raj? somebody has to tell the supermarkets that they - back in, raj? somebody has to tell the supermarkets that they need i back in, raj? somebody has to tell| the supermarkets that they need to draw the _ the supermarkets that they need to draw the line. — the supermarkets that they need to draw the line, there _ the supermarkets that they need to draw the line, there is _ the supermarkets that they need to draw the line, there is a _ the supermarkets that they need to draw the line, there is a certain- draw the line, there is a certain amount— draw the line, there is a certain amount they— draw the line, there is a certain amount they cannot _ draw the line, there is a certain amount they cannot increase, i draw the line, there is a certain. amount they cannot increase, for e>

amount they cannot increase, for example, fuel price. i— amount they cannot increase, for example, fuel price. i know- example, fuel price. i know inflation _ example, fuel price. i know inflation is _ example, fuel price. i know inflation is high _ example, fuel price. i know inflation is high and - example, fuel price. i know inflation is high and your. example, fuel price. i know. inflation is high and your cost example, fuel price. i know- inflation is high and your cost is this but— inflation is high and your cost is this but do— inflation is high and your cost is this but do not— inflation is high and your cost is this but do not increase - inflation is high and your cost is this but do not increase the i inflation is high and your cost is| this but do not increase the fuel price _ this but do not increase the fuel price more _ this but do not increase the fuel price more than— this but do not increase the fuel price more than £1.30. - this but do not increase the fuel price more than £1.30. they- this but do not increase the fuel price more than £1.30. they do| this but do not increase the fuel. price more than £1.30. they do not do anything — price more than £1.30. they do not do anything to _ price more than £1.30. they do not do anything to control _ price more than £1.30. they do not do anything to control the - price more than £1.30. they do not do anything to control the price. i do anything to control the price. even _ do anything to control the price. even though— do anything to control the price. even though they _ do anything to control the price. even though they are _ do anything to control the price. even though they are making i do anything to control the price. i even though they are making profits. state intervention. _ even though they are making profits. state intervention. thank— even though they are making profits. state intervention. thank you - even though they are making profits. state intervention. thank you very i state intervention. thank you very much indeed. which should be easier now in the brexit world, that was one of the arguments. we will see. thank you, ross, raj, anna, tom, stephen, uncle tom cobleigh. let's hearfrom you, 08085 stephen, uncle tom cobleigh. let's hear from you, 08085 909693, food prices, reality or rip—off. it is 9:35am. here is the news from karishma patel. thank you, nicky. new figures show 2.5 million people in the uk aren't working due to long—term ill health. the office for national statistics

also found workers' pay increases are still being outstripped by rising prices. the prime minister is hosting representatives of the supermarket and farming industries at downing street this morning to discuss inflation and its impact on food production. rishi sunak is honouring a pledge made during his leadership election campaign to hold an annual food security summit. later, the prime minister will also attend a meeting of the council of europe in iceland, where he's expected to call for european countries to work together to tackle illegal immigration. it's the fourth time the council has met like this since it was set up in 1949. a british businessman whose foreign companies were at the centre of an international money laundering investigation is a major donor to the conservative party. javad marandi strongly denies any wrongdoing — and is not subject to any criminal action. that was the news, now the sport with katie smith. thank you, good morning. referees chief howard webb's told 5

live this morning they're trying to make things more transparent in the premier league — and says he's exploring whether audio of var decisions could be released in real time in the future. it follows clips of in—game audio being released by the pgmol from six matches this season so fans could hear the discussions. former leicester striker david nugent has questioned whether the players have belief they can stay in the premier league — they lost 3—0 to liverpool last night to stay two pts from safety with just two to play. —— two points from safety. they could be relegated within the week if everton win their next game and leicester lose to newcastle. england's netball head coach jess thirlby has named five tournament debutants in her 12 player squad for the upcoming world cup in south africa. also included are jade clarke and geva mentorfor a sixth time. and cam norrie�*s looking to book his spot in the italian open tennis quarterfinals — though he's up against current world number one novak djokovic. they'll be on court in an hour.

from ten this morning — can we talk about incontinence? it's a difficult topic. it is not one i ever remember discussing before on many years of phone—ins. a topic that understandably people may feel is hard to talk about, but women's incontinence is thought to affect millions in the uk. the towie star gemma collins says it's a subject we need to be more open about.

she is fronting a campaign that aims to help women overcome any embarrassment they might have talking about it. gemma says, "it's a taboo subject and it's really sad to know that women are stopping doing their activities because of leaks." the nhs says unintentionally passing urine is a common problem — does it affect you? maybe it began during pregnancy or after you had a baby. we want to talk about the impact it's having on your life, how you cope with it. i'll have the expertise of some brilliant guests with me who will share their experiences and answer your questions. your experiences will be so vital and valuable to our discussion, so think about getting touch and if you do not want to give your name, that is fine. from ten — can we talk about incontinence?

i will bring injames in shropshire, matt in liverpool and kevin, not his real name, near leicester. kevin, your experiences recently of food inflation and how it has affected you? do inflation and how it has affected ou? , ., . inflation and how it has affected ou? . ., ., you? do you want to go, kevin? basically when _ you? do you want to go, kevin? basically when we _ you? do you want to go, kevin? basically when we go _ you? do you want to go, kevin? basically when we go to - you? do you want to go, kevin? basically when we go to the - basically when we go to the supermarkets we keep watching the prices, i watch the price programme or per item and see what cost is. in the last 12 months i have never seen anything yet as bad as this. lots of the foods which i was buying i have

had to cut right down. i used to pay about £50 or £60 weekly, i now had to think about what i can keep longer, frozen, prepacked tins, stuff like that. ijust longer, frozen, prepacked tins, stuff like that. i just get to the point where i do not want to eat any longer, it is that difficult, because i have mental health problems and i have to have certain foods, but i can't, so what can i do? two teaspoons of sugar and a glass of water and then i carry on. sometimes i can get really hungry but there is no money to buy food. the cost of my utility bills, just the gas and electric, is extortionate. this current government seem to want to kill the population off. and they have tax

breaks for the super—rich. why do you keep doing this? and all the idiots who voted for them will pay the price, including myself. iwill probably be long dead by the time this government gets changed. it is just a nightmare. i keep seeing the prices going up and up and up and up and it gets to the point where i think, do i buy milk this week or not? do i cut the bright out completely. i need to buy something, dry crackers instead of bread, i will go without bread. do i need milk? do i need to buy sugar? what about fruit? too expensive, just one for the week. it is getting to the point where i'm living like a tramp. this is what this government is

doing, this is how they are treating the population. people like me, because i have multiple health problems, right now i am cold but i just get used to the cold. it is like living in a fridge. i'm not the only one. it is getting to the point that people will die because of this government. i that people will die because of this government-— that people will die because of this government. i can understand your anuer government. i can understand your anger completely. _ government. i can understand your anger completely, given _ government. i can understand your anger completely, given what - government. i can understand your anger completely, given what you | government. i can understand your. anger completely, given what you are going through and given your own requirements. do you get eight that there is so much going on in the world with the war, fuel prices? i understand the war in ukraine has been a big issue, but the problem is four months they knew it was happening but they did not plan. "we will deal with it when it happens."

you can't do that. if you go into government you are paid to do a job, you need to plan ahead. if you know prices are going up, let's do something to help people on the starvation line. i have a friend, his daughter is only four and she used to go to school hungry. you tell me, how other teachers supposed to teach a child whose stomach is empty? it brought to me. i started a breakfast club for the school and i have some people who could have voted to buy any kind of cereals and fruit as a donation to the school so they could have a breakfast club for kids going to the school. the teachers were so grateful, they are using their salaries to buy stationery because this government gives them no money. they are denying every working class person in this country to the point of pure

exhaustion. in this country to the point of pure exhaustion-— exhaustion. that is what you believe. have _ exhaustion. that is what you believe. have you _ exhaustion. that is what you believe. have you thought i exhaustion. that is what you - believe. have you thought about food banks for yourself? the believe. have you thought about food banks for yourself?— banks for yourself? the food banks i have one banks for yourself? the food banks i have gone to. _ banks for yourself? the food banks i have gone to, because _ banks for yourself? the food banks i have gone to, because of— banks for yourself? the food banks i have gone to, because of my - have gone to, because of my background and my faith, it does not allow me to go there. truth? background and my faith, it does not allow me to go there.— allow me to go there. why is that, can i ask? — allow me to go there. why is that, can i ask? it _ allow me to go there. why is that, can i ask? it is _ allow me to go there. why is that, can i ask? it is a _ allow me to go there. why is that, can i ask? it is a religious - allow me to go there. why is that, can i ask? it is a religious thing, . can i ask? it is a religious thing, it is a long _ can i ask? it is a religious thing, it is a long thing. _ can i ask? it is a religious thing, it is a long thing. if _ can i ask? it is a religious thing, it is a long thing. if i _ can i ask? it is a religious thing, it is a long thing. if i had - can i ask? it is a religious thing, it is a long thing. if i had to, - can i ask? it is a religious thing, it is a long thing. if i had to, i i it is a long thing. if i had to, i can continue without eating, i have done it before and i can do it again. i can go a week or two without eating.— again. i can go a week or two without eating. that is so bad for ou, and without eating. that is so bad for you. and given — without eating. that is so bad for you, and given your— without eating. that is so bad for you, and given your health - you, and given your health condition, your health problems at... do you have family, do you have support? at... do you have family, do you have sunport?— have support? (inaudible). the are have support? (inaudible). they are leading _ have support? (inaudible). they are leading their - have support? (inaudible). i they are leading their individual lives and we have not spoken for years, that is basically eight. to

be honest, i'd left to my own devices. i will get to the point where somebody will find me today, tomorrow, i'm not sure when, but when that day comes, i will be gone. but the future generations coming up to me, kids will grow up... i really hate this government and what they have done. i hate this government and what they have done. ., ., ., have done. i will get one of our team to speak— have done. i will get one of our team to speak to _ have done. i will get one of our team to speak to you _ have done. i will get one of our team to speak to you further. have done. i will get one of our- team to speak to you further about some of the stuff you have been saying. it is incredibly powerful. your situation is desperate for lots of reasons and you sound like you are in real trouble, sol of reasons and you sound like you are in real trouble, so i want to thank you so much for calling and giving us a graphic description, a vivid and terrifying description of your own circumstances because you speak for a lot of people, but stay on the line, we will get somebody to talk to you, but right now, kevin, because that is what you wanted to because that is what you wanted to

be called, thank you so much for your contribution. matt in liverpool, james in shropshire. matt, it is chastening and chilling when you hear contributions like that and whenever we discuss this, we do. , ., ., that and whenever we discuss this, we do. ., . ., we do. good morning, matt. nice to seak to we do. good morning, matt. nice to speak to you. _ we do. good morning, matt. nice to speak to you. love _ we do. good morning, matt. nice to speak to you, love the _ we do. good morning, matt. nice to speak to you, love the show. - speak to you, love the show. likewise, thank you. righteous text in first. likewise, thank you. righteous text in first- with — likewise, thank you. righteous text in first. with my _ likewise, thank you. righteous text in first. with my own _ likewise, thank you. righteous text in first. with my own family, - likewise, thank you. righteous text in first. with my own family, i - likewise, thank you. righteous text in first. with my own family, i have| in first. with my own family, i have to twins, seven months old, i had a three—year—old daughter —— two twins. when i'm going shopping these day, i'm doubling down on the basic quality of what i am buying, i feel i'm spending double the price of what i used to but everything is all own brand, i think i bought all branded stuff about a year ago and it probably would have been half the price of what i am paying now. so the quality is terrible. doubling

down on fresh produce, can't afford to go to waste so lots of things will be frozen these days and i'm probably not shopping as frequently as i did so i am sticking to a tight budget when i go there and the next time i go shopping as when we literally have nothing, orjust nipping out to get purely the essentials. it is crazy how it has changed in such a short space of time. i work full time, ifeel the time. iwork full time, ifeel the pinch, i think time. i work full time, ifeel the pinch, i think everybody else's. you pick things up at the supermarket, it is not pennies any more, it is pounds. you see it stocking up and you think... it is really difficult for everyone. you think... it is really difficult for everyone-— you think... it is really difficult for eve one. , �* for everyone. cheers, matt. andrew 0t, for everyone. cheers, matt. andrew on director— for everyone. cheers, matt. andrew 0t. director of— for everyone. cheers, matt. andrew 0t, director of food _ for everyone. cheers, matt. andrew 0t, director of food and _ 0t, director of food and sustainability at the british retail consortium said supermarkets were confident they were doing all they

could to keep food prices as low as possible, the uk has one of the most competitive food markets in the world and has global prices fall we are confident the competitive nature of the industry will help food prices. sarah in northern ireland, good morning. whereabouts, let's be specific. 0r good morning. whereabouts, let's be specific. or you don't want to say, ok. ., �* specific. or you don't want to say, ok. .�* | ok. no, i'm in ballycastle. i thou~ht ok. no, i'm in ballycastle. i thought we _ ok. no, i'm in ballycastle. i thought we would _ ok. no, i'm in ballycastle. i thought we would be - ok. no, i'm in ballycastle. i thought we would be an - ok. no, i'm in ballycastle. i- thought we would be an unnecessarily fake. how is this affecting you and what would you like to say to everybody —— i thought we would be unnecessarily vague. i everybody -- i thought we would be unnecessarily vague.— unnecessarily vague. i have four children, either— unnecessarily vague. i have four children, either single _ unnecessarily vague. i have four children, either single parents, | unnecessarily vague. i have four i children, either single parents, you do the shop and then you worry about how you will get through the next two weeks on universal credit. i have five jobs i am trying to keep going just to pay everything, and then i feel terrible when the kids eat anything or want a biscuit. crisps are a luxury. it is crazy,

just going around the supermarket you need the things, you go to different shops like lidl and ulster, trying to figure out which has the best deals. i get meat from the butchers. as you go to shops like lidl and asda. it is crippling, one week it was £185 and over the bank holiday i would like, we have nothing left, but obviously you had to feed the children and it is very stressful. ., to feed the children and it is very stressful. . . , , stressful. there are massive decisions. — stressful. there are massive decisions, walking _ stressful. there are massive decisions, walking up - stressful. there are massive decisions, walking up and i stressful. there are massive i decisions, walking up and down stressful. there are massive - decisions, walking up and down the aisles. do you sometimes pick something up, think he will get it, then you look at the price? yes. something up, think he will get it, then you look at the price?- then you look at the price? yes, i think i then you look at the price? yes, i think i can _ then you look at the price? yes, i think i can get — then you look at the price? yes, i think i can get that _ then you look at the price? yes, i think i can get that somewhere i then you look at the price? yes, i i think i can get that somewhere else cheaper or do without it. i make meals for the children, i don't necessarily think of what i would like to eat. it is disheartening all the time because you are working so

much just to buy bread to all food. they have free school meals but they don't like the school meals so i am making packed lunches, so that is the bread, the meat and fruit all the bread, the meat and fruit all the time, it is just adding the bread, the meat and fruit all the time, it isjust adding up. do the time, it is 'ust adding up. do ou the time, it isjust adding up. do you go from supermarket to supermarket to work out where it is cheaper? i’m supermarket to work out where it is chea er? �* ., cheaper? i'm in the middle of nowhere and _ cheaper? i'm in the middle of nowhere and that _ cheaper? i'm in the middle of nowhere and that our- cheaper? i'm in the middle of nowhere and that our little i cheaper? i'm in the middle of- nowhere and that our little village it is very expensive so i had to travel half an hour to go to a supermarket. you travel for each different individual supermarket. it is more stressful if the children are with you because they are like, can we have this? can we have that? and they can't. you feel terrible because it is like, who has eaten all this? but they are only eating, just doing normal things. it is a very, very stressful situation. find

very, very stressful situation. and there is so — very, very stressful situation. and there is so much _ very, very stressful situation. and there is so much food waste in this country too, we need to completely realign our priorities and think long and hard about this. hopefully they are doing that today at downing street at the farm to fork summit. we shouldn't have to rely on food banks. i don't, we don't have one local to us. but people should not have too, people that have worked all their lives should not have to go to food banks will be stressing about going to the supermarket. find about going to the supermarket. and ou had to about going to the supermarket. and you had to make sure the kids eat healthily otherwise we are storing up healthily otherwise we are storing up all sorts of problems for the population? i up all sorts of problems for the population?— up all sorts of problems for the population? up all sorts of problems for the --oulation? ., . , . . population? i do that, they have all the fruits and _ population? i do that, they have all the fruits and vegetables, - population? i do that, they have all the fruits and vegetables, probably | the fruits and vegetables, probably why it cost so much. but we are changing now, it is seasonal, we are going back to the old days and no, we are not having strawberries, we will have them in the right season.

you are clearly pretty savvy about this but not everybody is, and it is not their fault. we this but not everybody is, and it is not theirfault. we have been used to a completely different way of shopping in the past and it is a massive mindset change for people. really good to call, sarah, thank you. james in shropshire, farmer, what is it like for you guys? iii. what is it like for you guys? hi, bi fan what is it like for you guys? hi, big fan of— what is it like for you guys? hi, big fan of the — what is it like for you guys? h , big fan of the show. i have a different take on it to lots of callers. obviously i'm a farmer. our food system is broken, nicky. as fun as we have been encouraged to mass—produce foods for the supermarket which provide food all year round, strawberries and winter and this obsession with not eating seasonally, it was several years ago i decided this is madness. there has to be a different way of farming and reconnecting back to food. so i

looked at farming more sustainably, which helps improve the land we are farming, andjust by which helps improve the land we are farming, and just by chancel which helps improve the land we are farming, and just by chance i met up with a burger company who liked what we did and we realise that by shortening the supply chains are not going through supermarkets, actually we can perhaps make things cheaper. so many people in the supply are taking a cut. as farmers... i have spent the last 20 years supplying supermarkets with food all the time are not making any money from it. now there is a different way of doing it but the trouble is it is difficult for farmers, doing it but the trouble is it is difficult forfarmers, the doing it but the trouble is it is difficult for farmers, the system we are in, we have been using too much chemicals and fertiliser, overheads are too high, so we're helping transition to a different, more sustainable type of farming. what sustainable type of farming. what would ou sustainable type of farming. what would you say _ sustainable type of farming. what would you say to _ sustainable type of farming. what would you say to people - sustainable type of farming. what would you say to people who would argue that fertilisers are the show

to cheaper food? irlat argue that fertilisers are the show to cheaper food?— argue that fertilisers are the show to cheaper food? not really, at the moment fertiliser _ to cheaper food? not really, at the moment fertiliser prices _ to cheaper food? not really, at the moment fertiliser prices are - moment fertiliser prices are absolutely huge, we have been making merchants much tighter for farmers. if we can make the land fertile again like when our grandfathers found that by not using fertiliser, by using natural farming found that by not using fertiliser, by using naturalfarming methods again, but still being productive —— like when our grandfathers found the land. regenerative farming methods, we are finding that the farms we are farming have all the answers we need, wejust farming have all the answers we need, we just need to take a different look at it, and the trouble is getting farmers to transition to a different type of farming is difficult because we are locked in, we had such huge overheads. i locked in, we had such huge overheads.— locked in, we had such huge overheads. ~ . , ., . overheads. i think what you are sa in: overheads. i think what you are saying about — overheads. i think what you are saying about the _ overheads. i think what you are saying about the middlemen i overheads. i think what you are i saying about the middlemen that could be cut out along the way it's

really interesting. while you are there, martin is also a farmer. you hear the view ofjames, there, martin is also a farmer. you hear the view of james, who has a farm, what about you?— hear the view of james, who has a farm, what about you? morning. we are basically — farm, what about you? morning. we are basically producing _ farm, what about you? morning. we are basically producing wheat, - are basically producing wheat, barley— are basically producing wheat, barley and oilseed rape but over the past nine _ barley and oilseed rape but over the past nine months the price of wheat has dropped from over £300 a tonne to below_ has dropped from over £300 a tonne to below 200, a 40% drop, and the cost of— to below 200, a 40% drop, and the cost of rape — to below 200, a 40% drop, and the cost of rape seed has more than halved, — cost of rape seed has more than halved, from over 800 to 350, but the supermarkets and the food processing areas are quick to pass on increases but they drag their feet with — on increases but they drag their feet with these huge reductions. it is the _ feet with these huge reductions. it is the same as banks with interest rates _ is the same as banks with interest rates it_ is the same as banks with interest rates it is— is the same as banks with interest rates. it is basically corporate greed — rates. it is basically corporate greed. what we are selling has basically— greed. what we are selling has basically halved over the past nine months _ basically halved over the past nine months. even so, the price of a loaf

of bread, _ months. even so, the price of a loaf of bread, there was only about 25p worth_ of bread, there was only about 25p worth of— of bread, there was only about 25p worth of wheat in a loaf of bread, so if— worth of wheat in a loaf of bread, so if wheat — worth of wheat in a loaf of bread, so if wheat prices went up £100 a tonne, _ so if wheat prices went up £100 a tonne, it— so if wheat prices went up £100 a tonne, it should not add more than 10p tonne, it should not add more than 10uto— tonne, it should not add more than wt) to a _ tonne, it should not add more than wt) to a loaf— tonne, it should not add more than 10p to a loaf of bread but it has gone _ 10p to a loaf of bread but it has gone up — 10p to a loaf of bread but it has gone up much more than that in the shops _ gone up much more than that in the shops so _ gone up much more than that in the shops. so our share of the food take, _ shops. so our share of the food take, as — shops. so our share of the food take, as it— shops. so our share of the food take, as it were, has gone down. we are getting _ take, as it were, has gone down. we are getting a — take, as it were, has gone down. we are getting a lot less percentage of what people are spending at the shops _ what people are spending at the shops so — what people are spending at the sho s. what people are spending at the sho s, , what people are spending at the shos. , i. ., ~ what people are spending at the shos. , ., ~ ., , shops. so i bet you would like to be a atch shops. so i bet you would like to be a patch farm _ shops. so i bet you would like to be a patch farm to _ shops. so i bet you would like to be a patch farm to fork _ shops. so i bet you would like to be a patch farm to fork summit - shops. so i bet you would like to be a patch farm to fork summit today | a patch farm to fork summit today with all the big knobs? i think he would have a few words to say? i don't think therese coffey is much good, _ don't think therese coffey is much good, i_ don't think therese coffey is much good, i don't have any confidence in her. , . the good, i don't have any confidence in her-- the way _ good, i don't have any confidence in her.- the way we _ good, i don't have any confidence in her.- the way we sell- good, i don't have any confidence in her.- the way we sell has - her. defra. the way we sell has basically halved _ her. defra. the way we sell has basically halved but _ her. defra. the way we sell has basically halved but it - her. defra. the way we sell has basically halved but it does - her. defra. the way we sell has basically halved but it does not| basically halved but it does not make _ basically halved but it does not make any— basically halved but it does not make any difference in the shops and we only— make any difference in the shops and we only get— make any difference in the shops and we only get a very small percentage of what _ we only get a very small percentage of what you spend anyway, like i said, _

of what you spend anyway, like i said. 25u — of what you spend anyway, like i said. 25u is— of what you spend anyway, like i said, 25p is the value of the wheat and a _ said, 25p is the value of the wheat and a loaf— said, 25p is the value of the wheat and a loaf of bread, so if bread costs _ and a loaf of bread, so if bread costs ti. — and a loaf of bread, so if bread costs £1, three quarters is not getting — costs £1, three quarters is not getting back to the farmer for the wheat— getting back to the farmer for the wheat so— getting back to the farmer for the wheat so our share is dropping all the time — wheat so our share is dropping all the time. �* , wheat so our share is dropping all the time. �*, ., , the time. let's throw in somebody who has, the time. let's throw in somebody who has. i — the time. let's throw in somebody who has, i don't— the time. let's throw in somebody who has, i don't mean _ the time. let's throw in somebody who has, i don't mean to - the time. let's throw in somebody who has, i don't mean to throw. the time. let's throw in somebodyl who has, i don't mean to throw you in, that was not very well put, let's bring in somebody who runs a small shop. let's bring in somebody who runs a smallshop. hello, frank. i bet you are listening with huge interest to our farmers talking about that when the prices drop they do not seem to see the benefits from the big players. is that your experience? my players. is that your experience? ii experience players. is that your experience? ii1: experience is players. is that your experience? ii1 experience is more a players. is that your experience? ii1: experience is more a case of the supermarkets... tesco's own bookers and i buy mainly from them, i buy price marked products to keep the prices down and let consumers see what the prices are. prices have been increasing more than the rate

of inflation, things have gone up from £1.50 to £2 in my store but in tesco it is 1.50 p. so tesco's are passing on more than the rate of inflation on their products to the convenience store markets but keeping the prices at a lesser level in their own stores, forcing customers to move from the convenience market to the stores. for example, tomato ketchup, own brand label the 69p, now £1.29, and 80% rise. i brand labelthe 69p, now £1.29, and 80% rise. . i, . brand labelthe 69p, now £1.29, and 80% rise. i, i, i, 80% rise. i will have to leave it there, 80% rise. i will have to leave it there. but _ 80% rise. i will have to leave it there, but some _ 80% rise. i will have to leave it there, but some stark- 80% rise. i will have to leave it there, but some stark figures. | there, but some stark figures. obviously they are not here to defend themselves but quite a few very, very strong messages coming to this morning. i am a mum of five, my husband and myself at self—employed, i own a tea room, costs are

crippling us at home and at work, our kitchen cupboards are empty, my husband and i are skipping meals to make sure the kids are fed, i can't increase my prices at work because many customers to come on, it is an impossible situation, we get no support, we both were, natalie and leicester. thank you for all of your many messages, a huge response this time. we will be back. it is a difficult topic, i am so interested in hearing about it. we are going to talk about incontinence and the overarching question is can we talk about it? so sensitive, understandably. incontinence in women is thought to affect millions of people in the uk.

maybe yourself? the towie star gemma collins has brought this to the forefront, she says it is a subject we need to be more open about and is fronting a campaign that aims to help women overcome embarrassment they may feel talking about it. it's great when we challenge the table. it is a taboo subject. you can contact me on 08085 909693, text me on 85085, the nhs is unintentionally passing urine is a common problem but does it affect you? maybe a began during pregnancy, want to call them a talk about the impact on your life, how you cope with that and maybe how you have not coped with it. some great experts to talk about this so i think it will be a voyage of discovery that we are share together. we will hear your

experiences, answer your questions, can we talk about incontinence? thank you so much forjoining us this morning. here is the news from karishma patel. thank you. new figures show the number of people out of work — because of ill health — is at a record high. the office for national statistics says the figure is over 2.5 million. the figures also show job vacancies fell — by 55,000. vodafone is to cut 11,000 jobs over the next three years. the cuts will be felt at the firm's uk headquarters — as well as in other countries. vodafone's new boss says the company needs to simplify to be competitive. ukrainian officials say kyiv has come under heavy fire — but that all 18 missiles were shot down by the country's air defence systems. the attacks came after president zelensky was offered more military aid —

during a tour of european allies. sir salman rushdie has been recognised at the british book awards — nine months after surviving an attack in new york. he won the "freedom to publish" award — which acknowledges work by authors who stand against intolerance. other winners included davina mccall — who co—authored a book about menopause. urinary incontinence, the unintentional passing of urine, common problem thought to affect millions of people, several types of the condition, including stress incontinence when your bladder is under pressure, when you call for you laugh, urge incontinence when

urine leaks and you feel a sudden or ten search to urinate, overflow incontinence, chronic urinary retention when you cannot fully empty your bladder and total incontinence when your bladder cannot store any urine adult which causes you to pass urine constantly with frequent leaking and it is possible to have a combination of this. the nhs website says that. gemma collins who is fronting this campaign, let's hearfrom herand i think we can see as well. campaign, let's hear from her and i think we can see as well.- think we can see as well. leaking, women's incontinence _ think we can see as well. leaking, women's incontinence is _ think we can see as well. leaking, women's incontinence is still- think we can see as well. leaking, | women's incontinence is still taboo and one in three women struggle with it. i was on a trampoline, although i am 4021 still think i am 21! you have no with your mum and your auntie and stuff and you have heard

growing up, i need a part, i auntie and stuff and you have heard growing up, i need a part, lam licking and you think i will never get to that stage, well honey, it is happening stuff i got an a trampoline with my nephew and i was having a great time and literally i was laughing, jumping, and the lecture started happening and i was like, i am officially old, all joking aside. it is nothing to do with age, one in three women suffer from it. would i have stopped jumping on the trampoline? hell, no but it is really sad to know that women ought stopping doing their activities, they might not want to go on holiday now because they are leaking, they might not want to get on the trampoline with their children orfamilies on the trampoline with their children or families because they are leaking. nothing. me doing anything in my life but why are women so embarrassed to talk about

it? �* , it? and men indeed but we will discuss male _ it? and men indeed but we will discuss male incontinence - it? and men indeed but we will discuss male incontinence at i it? and men indeed but we will- discuss male incontinence at another time, today we are focusing on woman's incontinence. a text, incontinence is an even bigger taboo with men, we never talk about it because we are men and that is a fair comment which we will address on another occasion, i will copy and paste my thoughts, we will concentrate on women's incontinence today. strong stuff from gemma collins. a text message says i am 48, first baby, pelvic floor is wrecked, all sorts of embarrassment and things to cope with, the ordinary stuff in life becomes a massive challenge and when you go to a shop in the high street and this might have happened to you, it has happened to me when i've been caught

short and they say you cannot buy something, —— you cannot use the unless you buy something. helen has created a podcast called white mothers do notjump, good morning. and louise who runs a double your pelvic floor, what a great title! adore your pelvic floor! i could not have thought that myself. and suzanne, a physiotherapist based in gateshead joins us, pelvic help physiotherapist, welcome to the programme. let's go straight to lisa in anglesey and bf in commerce key. thanks so much, let's talk about this, can we talk about it? yes, we can. lisa, come on in. it is over to

you. what is happening? as]!!! can. lisa, come on in. it is over to you. what is happening?— can. lisa, come on in. it is over to you. what is happening? all of what gemma said — you. what is happening? all of what gemma said and _ you. what is happening? all of what gemma said and the _ you. what is happening? all of what gemma said and the other - you. what is happening? all of what gemma said and the other lady, - you. what is happening? all of what| gemma said and the other lady, post baby, you get wrecked when you get forceps, that happened to me, they call it a dramatic pc to me, i got chopped, that can never be put right and no matter how you do your pelvic floor, like a good girl you are taught to do, that is not right. i am 54 and four kids later, you think you have this, i have been doing the exercises. is it menopause? that is a whole new ball game. you lose control. i am too old to be embarrassed, i am control. i am too old to be embarrassed, lam not control. i am too old to be embarrassed, i am not embarrassed about anything any more! you can

hold your pelvic floor and you are gripping for dear life, as hard as you can and you think there is nothing getting out of there but you lose your bladder and it is frustrating more than anything. when ou sa frustrating more than anything. when you say gripping _ frustrating more than anything. when you say gripping your— frustrating more than anything. when you say gripping your pelvic floor, i guess everybody watching was doing it. but i guess everybody watching was doing it. �* i, i, i, i, it. but we are taught to do it wron , it. but we are taught to do it wrong. my — it. but we are taught to do it wrong, my pelvic— it. but we are taught to do it wrong, my pelvic floor - wrong, my pelvic floor physiotherapist is a genius, she has kept this so it is also notjust about your bladder, your core strength, it is everything else and he knew it is all connected? she has cured me. in probably three sessions, i've been going to. i think we are on the fifth want now. transformative? life changing, i am shouting this from toilet cubicles.

the other one shouting from the toilet cubicle! tell me about the situation you have been in that have been so difficult so people can relate to what it was like? i am sure ladies _ relate to what it was like? i am sure ladies and _ relate to what it was like? i am sure ladies and gentlemen - relate to what it was like? i —.n sure ladies and gentlemen can resonate with standing in a supermarket queue when you need to go. the older you get, the quicker you have to go, certainly for menopausal women, for me. there is no build—up to it, you need to go and you need to go now. if there is not a toilet handy then you get that leakage and it is a done deal. you know? and then i always wear a long top, just in case. i do not any more because i did not need to! but keep things covered in case. it does not matter if you have a pad or you know

what the toilets are, itjust no control. what the toilets are, it 'ust no control. , i, i, i, control. helen is nodding along. with painful _ control. helen is nodding along. with painful recognition - control. helen is nodding along. with painful recognition of - control. helen is nodding along. with painful recognition of no i control. helen is nodding along. - with painful recognition of no doubt this experience so lisa, now it is yourself, helen. i this experience so lisa, now it is yourself, helen.— yourself, helen. i love this story because since _ yourself, helen. i love this story because since i _ yourself, helen. i love this story because since i have _ yourself, helen. i love this story because since i have spoken - yourself, helen. i love this story l because since i have spoken about pelvic— because since i have spoken about pelvic floor — because since i have spoken about pelvic floor dysfunction, i do not suffer— pelvic floor dysfunction, i do not suffer from it, i have pelvic organ prolapse. — suffer from it, i have pelvic organ prolapse, another aspect which is entirely— prolapse, another aspect which is entirely taboo and often women with its upper— entirely taboo and often women with its upper incontinence but i hear from _ its upper incontinence but i hear from women every day with stories about— from women every day with stories about how — from women every day with stories about how they cannot bend to lift up about how they cannot bend to lift up their— about how they cannot bend to lift up their children or they are sitting — up their children or they are sitting on— up their children or they are sitting on plastic bags in the car or they— sitting on plastic bags in the car or they cannot dig the garden like they used — or they cannot dig the garden like they used to and they are mapping out toilets — they used to and they are mapping out toilets wherever they go and one of the _ out toilets wherever they go and one of the many— out toilets wherever they go and one of the many frustrating things about it that _ of the many frustrating things about it that lisa _ of the many frustrating things about it that lisa put her finger on it as

there _ it that lisa put her finger on it as there are — it that lisa put her finger on it as there are ways to improve your life if you _ there are ways to improve your life if you knew — there are ways to improve your life if you knew what they were and we were _ if you knew what they were and we were able — if you knew what they were and we were able to have conversations like this and _ were able to have conversations like this and talk about it. she was able to be _ this and talk about it. she was able to be open— this and talk about it. she was able to be open about it and she sought out some _ to be open about it and she sought out some help and look at the improvements. that's why i was nodding. — improvements. that's why i was nodding. it _ improvements. that's why i was nodding, it is such a simple message, if we were educated about our bodies _ message, if we were educated about our bodies and we knew what we were talking _ our bodies and we knew what we were talking about and could advocate and seek help _ talking about and could advocate and seek help there are ways to improve the lives _ seek help there are ways to improve the lives of— seek help there are ways to improve the lives of so many women affected so deeply— the lives of so many women affected so deeply by these issues. best, the lives of so many women affected so deeply by these issues. bev, good mornin! so deeply by these issues. bev, good mornini! it so deeply by these issues. bev, good morning! it is — so deeply by these issues. bev, good morning! it is not _ so deeply by these issues. bev, good morning! it is not a _ so deeply by these issues. bev, good morning! it is not a question - so deeply by these issues. bev, good morning! it is not a question i - morning! it is not a question i think i have ever asked on the radio before over many years, tell me about your incontinence but hearing this morning about the problems and seeing the texts coming in i am so pleased that we are exploring this. what about your life? it is a taboo

subject. _ what about your life? it is a taboo subject. isn't— what about your life? it is a taboo subject, isn't it? _ what about your life? it is a taboo subject, isn't it?— subject, isn't it? there is an unfortunate _ subject, isn't it? there is an unfortunate snigger - subject, isn't it? there is an unfortunate snigger factor i subject, isn't it? there is an - unfortunate snigger factor amongst some people, in the words of the supermarket, they can bog off because this is a massive issue with people and thank you for getting in touch so bev, tell us. i am people and thank you for getting in touch so bev, tell us.— touch so bev, tell us. i am 59. i have been _ touch so bev, tell us. i am 59. i have been suffering _ touch so bev, tell us. i am 59. i have been suffering with - touch so bev, tell us. i am 59. i have been suffering with stress| have been suffering with stress incontinence _ have been suffering with stress incontinence for— have been suffering with stress incontinence for the _ have been suffering with stress incontinence for the last - have been suffering with stress incontinence for the last 30 - have been suffering with stress i incontinence for the last 30 years. i incontinence for the last 30 years. i am _ incontinence for the last 30 years. i am a _ incontinence for the last 30 years. i am a very— incontinence for the last 30 years. i am a very smart _ incontinence for the last 30 years. i am a very smart lady, _ incontinence for the last 30 years. i am a very smart lady, confident. i am a very smart lady, confident and i_ i am a very smart lady, confident and i love — i am a very smart lady, confident and i love going _ i am a very smart lady, confident and i love going outdoors - i am a very smart lady, confident and i love going outdoors and - i am a very smart lady, confident and i love going outdoors and it. i am a very smart lady, confident. and i love going outdoors and it has affected _ and i love going outdoors and it has affected everything _ and i love going outdoors and it has affected everything and _ and i love going outdoors and it has affected everything and it _ and i love going outdoors and it has affected everything and it has - and i love going outdoors and it has affected everything and it has got . affected everything and it has got worse _ affected everything and it has got worse over— affected everything and it has got worse over the _ affected everything and it has got worse over the years _ affected everything and it has got worse over the years and - affected everything and it has got worse over the years and last - affected everything and it has got i worse over the years and last week i plucked _ worse over the years and last week i plucked up _ worse over the years and last week i plucked up the — worse over the years and last week i plucked up the courage _ worse over the years and last week i plucked up the courage and - worse over the years and last week i plucked up the courage and had - plucked up the courage and had surgery— plucked up the courage and had surgery on— plucked up the courage and had surgery on my— plucked up the courage and had surgery on my bladder. - plucked up the courage and had surgery on my bladder. within i plucked up the courage and had . surgery on my bladder. within ten hours _ surgery on my bladder. within ten hours it— surgery on my bladder. within ten hours it solved _ surgery on my bladder. within ten hours it solved the _ surgery on my bladder. within ten hours it solved the problem - surgery on my bladder. within ten. hours it solved the problem totally. it is hours it solved the problem totally. it is not _ hours it solved the problem totally. it is not very— hours it solved the problem totally. it is not very pleasant _ hours it solved the problem totally. it is not very pleasant and - hours it solved the problem totally. it is not very pleasant and that - hours it solved the problem totally. it is not very pleasant and that is i it is not very pleasant and that is quite _ it is not very pleasant and that is quite painful— it is not very pleasant and that is quite painful but _ it is not very pleasant and that is quite painful but i— it is not very pleasant and that is quite painful but i got— it is not very pleasant and that is quite painful but i got to - it is not very pleasant and that is quite painful but i got to a - it is not very pleasant and that is quite painful but i got to a pointi quite painful but i got to a point in my— quite painful but i got to a point in my life — quite painful but i got to a point in my life i_ quite painful but i got to a point in my life i was _ quite painful but i got to a point in my life i was not _ quite painful but i got to a point in my life i was not going - quite painful but i got to a point in my life i was not going out. l quite painful but i got to a point i in my life i was not going out. you 'ust in my life i was not going out. you just embarrassed. _ in my life i was not going out. you just embarrassed. having - in my life i was not going out. you just embarrassed. having leaks i in my life i was not going out. you. just embarrassed. having leaks and accidents. _ just embarrassed. having leaks and accidents, forever—

just embarrassed. having leaks and accidents, forever trying _ just embarrassed. having leaks and accidents, forever trying to - just embarrassed. having leaks and accidents, forever trying to find i accidents, forever trying to find the toilet— accidents, forever trying to find the toilet so _ accidents, forever trying to find the toilet so i— accidents, forever trying to find the toilet so i finally— accidents, forever trying to find the toilet so i finally did - the toilet so i finally did something _ the toilet so i finally did something positive i the toilet so i finally did something positive and| the toilet so i finally did i something positive and it is the toilet so i finally did - something positive and it is the thing _ something positive and it is the thing i— something positive and it is the thing i ever— something positive and it is the thing i ever did. _ something positive and it is the thing i ever did.— thing i ever did. incredible and ireat thing i ever did. incredible and great that _ thing i ever did. incredible and great that we _ thing i ever did. incredible and great that we are _ thing i ever did. incredible and great that we are finding i thing i ever did. incredible and great that we are finding the i great that we are finding the positive in all of this. those awkward situations that people relate to, we heard about the supermarket queue and when you have got to go, you have got to go but what about yourself? mine got to go, you have got to go but what about yourself?— got to go, you have got to go but what about yourself? mine took me by surrise, what about yourself? mine took me by surprise. when — what about yourself? mine took me by surprise, when you _ what about yourself? mine took me by surprise, when you are _ what about yourself? mine took me by surprise, when you are laughing, i surprise, when you are laughing, dancing, — surprise, when you are laughing, dancing, if— surprise, when you are laughing, dancing, if you _ surprise, when you are laughing, dancing, if you breathe! - surprise, when you are laughing, dancing, if you breathe! it- surprise, when you are laughing, dancing, if you breathe! it is- surprise, when you are laughing, dancing, if you breathe! it isjust| dancing, if you breathe! it isjust like, _ dancing, if you breathe! it isjust like. leakage, _ dancing, if you breathe! it isjust like, leakage, you _ dancing, if you breathe! it isjust like, leakage, you know- dancing, if you breathe! it isjust like, leakage, you know what- dancing, if you breathe! it isjust like, leakage, you know what i. dancing, if you breathe! it isjust - like, leakage, you know what i mean? it is the _ like, leakage, you know what i mean? it is the expense — like, leakage, you know what i mean? it is the expense of— like, leakage, you know what i mean? it is the expense of buying _ like, leakage, you know what i mean? it is the expense of buying these - it is the expense of buying these parts _ it is the expense of buying these parts from — it is the expense of buying these parts from the _ it is the expense of buying these parts from the supermarket, - it is the expense of buying these l parts from the supermarket, they it is the expense of buying these - parts from the supermarket, they are so expensive — parts from the supermarket, they are so exoehsive and _ parts from the supermarket, they are so expensive and it _ parts from the supermarket, they are so expensive and it costs _ parts from the supermarket, they are so expensive and it costs me - parts from the supermarket, they are so expensive and it costs me a - so expensive and it costs me a fortune — so expensive and it costs me a fortune in— so expensive and it costs me a fortune in the _ so expensive and it costs me a fortune in the end. _ so expensive and it costs me a fortune in the end. the- so expensive and it costs me a fortune in the end.— fortune in the end. the people around you _ fortune in the end. the people around you know _ fortune in the end. the people around you know what - fortune in the end. the people around you know what was - fortune in the end. the people - around you know what was happening and what about that embarrassment? all the family know that i have a

weak _ all the family know that i have a weak bladder. _ all the family know that i have a weak bladder. so... _ all the family know that i have a weak bladder. so... but - all the family know that i have a weak bladder. so... but it's- all the family know that i have a weak bladder. so... but it'sjusti weak bladder. so... but it'sjust that— weak bladder. so... but it'sjust that nobody— weak bladder. so... but it'sjust that nobody ever— weak bladder. so... but it'sjust that nobody ever talks - weak bladder. so... but it'sjust that nobody ever talks about. weak bladder. so... but it'sjust that nobody ever talks about it, | weak bladder. so... but it'sjusti that nobody ever talks about it, i know _ that nobody ever talks about it, i know girls — that nobody ever talks about it, i know girls younger _ that nobody ever talks about it, i know girls younger than - that nobody ever talks about it, i know girls younger than me - that nobody ever talks about it, i know girls younger than me who| that nobody ever talks about it, i. know girls younger than me who are suffering. _ know girls younger than me who are suffering. they— know girls younger than me who are suffering, they cannot _ know girls younger than me who are suffering, they cannot go _ know girls younger than me who are suffering, they cannot go jogging i know girls younger than me who are suffering, they cannot gojogging or| suffering, they cannot gojogging or anything _ suffering, they cannot gojogging or anything and — suffering, they cannot gojogging or anything and i— suffering, they cannot gojogging or anything and i say— suffering, they cannot gojogging or anything and i say to— suffering, they cannot gojogging or anything and i say to them, - suffering, they cannot gojogging or anything and i say to them, go- suffering, they cannot gojogging or anything and i say to them, go to l anything and i say to them, go to the doctor. — anything and i say to them, go to the doctor. it _ anything and i say to them, go to the doctor, it is _ anything and i say to them, go to the doctor, it is the _ anything and i say to them, go to l the doctor, it is the embarrassment more _ the doctor, it is the embarrassment more than _ the doctor, it is the embarrassment more than anything, _ the doctor, it is the embarrassment more than anything, the _ more than anything, the embarrassment. - more than anything, the embarrassment. but- more than anything, the i embarrassment. but the more than anything, the _ embarrassment. but the professionals are fantastic — embarrassment. but the professionals are fantastic. and _ embarrassment. but the professionals are fantastic. and there _ embarrassment. but the professionals are fantastic. and there is _ embarrassment. but the professionals are fantastic. and there is no - embarrassment. but the professionals are fantastic. and there is no need - are fantastic. and there is no need to feel— are fantastic. and there is no need to feel embarrassed _ are fantastic. and there is no need to feel embarrassed because - are fantastic. and there is no need to feel embarrassed because it - are fantastic. and there is no need to feel embarrassed because it is i to feel embarrassed because it is just. _ to feel embarrassed because it is just. i_ to feel embarrassed because it is just. ifeet— to feel embarrassed because it is just. ifeet so _ to feel embarrassed because it is just, i feel so much _ to feel embarrassed because it is just, i feel so much better. - to feel embarrassed because it is| just, i feel so much better. seven days— just, i feel so much better. seven days since — just, i feel so much better. seven days since i— just, i feel so much better. seven days since i had _ just, i feel so much better. seven days since i had surgery. - just, i feel so much better. seven days since i had surgery. i- just, i feel so much better. seven days since i had surgery. i cannot| days since i had surgery. i cannot wait to— days since i had surgery. i cannot wait to get— days since i had surgery. i cannot wait to get out _ days since i had surgery. i cannot wait to get out there _ days since i had surgery. i cannot wait to get out there and - days since i had surgery. i cannot wait to get out there and start. wait to get out there and start taking — wait to get out there and start taking control _ wait to get out there and start taking control of _ wait to get out there and start taking control of my— wait to get out there and start taking control of my life - wait to get out there and start| taking control of my life again. taking — taking control of my life again. taking track— taking control of my life again. taking back control, _ taking control of my life again. taking back control, we - taking control of my life again. taking back control, we have l taking control of my life again. - taking back control, we have heard that before but this is a personal matter of taking back control. susana, louise, helen, hazel, i matter of taking back control. susana, louise, helen, hazel, lam going to come to you all but these calls are incredible. hazel in west

bromwich. hearing from bev, the embarrassment, very positive tales but what has it been like for you living with this? i but what has it been like for you living with this?— living with this? i had a hysterectomy - living with this? i had a hysterectomy at - living with this? i had a hysterectomy at the . living with this? i had a| hysterectomy at the age living with this? i had a - hysterectomy at the age of 36 so living with this? i had a _ hysterectomy at the age of 36 so i have been incontinent since then, i am almost 65. up until about 15 years ago i took medication but it affected my eyesight so i am a thick neurologist now and i got injections and it is injected directly into the bladder because i have stress incontinence, i have no timing so if my mind says that you need to go to the toilet, you go to the toilet. i live in my bedroom because it is closest to the toilet. if it is a distance from my living room to the bathroom i am not making it. i do

not go any further, if i do not know where the toilets are i cannot go, i cannotjoin a queue in the toilet so i cannot go dancing and if i am in a pub and! i cannot go dancing and if i am in a pub and i go into the ladies toilets and there are ladies there, i do not have time to read. you do not want to have to tell some young girl dressed up to the nines because it is embarrassing. 3g dressed up to the nines because it is embarrassing.— is embarrassing. 30 years of this? 30 ears is embarrassing. 30 years of this? 30 years since _ is embarrassing. 30 years of this? 30 years since your _ is embarrassing. 30 years of this? | 30 years since your hysterectomy? has it got worse or has it been bad has it got worse or has it been had since then? i has it got worse or has it been bad since then?— since then? i went through the chance since then? i went through the change when _ since then? i went through the change when i _ since then? i went through the change when i was _ since then? i went through the change when i was 36, - since then? i went through the change when i was 36, had - since then? i went through the j change when i was 36, had the hysterectomy. i presumed that i would not do that again whereas that is a load of nonsense because the incontinence is worse since i got into my 50s than it was when i was

into my 50s than it was when i was in my 30s. i used to be able to cope with it but now i have to stay in bed because it is cheaper, an incredible amount of money to keep buying these parts. this incredible amount of money to keep buying these parts.— buying these parts. this is heartbreaking. _ buying these parts. this is heartbreaking. when - buying these parts. this is heartbreaking. when you | buying these parts. this is i heartbreaking. when you are buying these parts. this is - heartbreaking. when you are using four or five — heartbreaking. when you are using four or five of _ heartbreaking. when you are using four or five of them _ heartbreaking. when you are using four or five of them a _ heartbreaking. when you are using four or five of them a day, - heartbreaking. when you are using four or five of them a day, i - heartbreaking. when you are using four or five of them a day, i do - heartbreaking. when you are using four or five of them a day, i do notj four orfive of them a day, i do not work no more, i had to give up work and so i am on benefits and when you go from earning a wage down to benefits it is a bit of a wake—up call but to have this amount put on top, nobody is helping you with, it is beyond us. you cannot ask the nhs for everything. i have got stress incontinence, and overactive bladder. i purposely go to the

toilet before i go to bed. because otherwise i wet the bed and that is just the leaking. i have a look that much through the night. i am not embarrassed by it no more. it is part of life now. and my children know that i have an irritable bladder, my grandchildren know, get out of the way, nani needs the toilet and she is coming! they all know. it is the expense of it. i had the botox may 12 months, sometimes i can go 15 months without needing parts and all of a sudden i will need pads and i need to get back on. the waiting list used to be six weeks, now it is 36, and i

understand...— weeks, now it is 36, and i understand... ., ., ., understand... you say you are not embarrassed _ understand... you say you are not embarrassed and _ understand... you say you are not embarrassed and it _ understand... you say you are not embarrassed and it is _ understand... you say you are not embarrassed and it is great - understand... you say you are not embarrassed and it is great and i l embarrassed and it is great and i applaud you and everyone getting in touch and also the fact that you are talking to millions of people about this is so helpful. suzanne, hazel, your situation. this is so helpful. suzanne, hazel, yoursituation. i this is so helpful. suzanne, hazel, your situation.— your situation. i hear it so commonly _ your situation. i hear it so commonly on _ your situation. i hear it so commonly on part - your situation. i hear it so commonly on part of- your situation. i hear it so commonly on part of the l your situation. i hear it so - commonly on part of the reason i love nry— commonly on part of the reason i love nryioh— commonly on part of the reason i love myjob so much. it is unbelievable the amount of people that have _ unbelievable the amount of people that have the symptoms earlier in life, that have the symptoms earlier in life. in— that have the symptoms earlier in life, in their30s, some that have the symptoms earlier in life, in their 30s, some of them that have the symptoms earlier in life, in their30s, some of them in their— life, in their30s, some of them in their20s— life, in their30s, some of them in their20s andi life, in their30s, some of them in their 20s and i think it is normal, it will— their 20s and i think it is normal, it will probably get better and if anything you find it gets worse with ageing _ anything you find it gets worse with ageing and at that that point it becomes— ageing and at that that point it becomes hard to live with and people come _ becomes hard to live with and people come into— becomes hard to live with and people come into the neck to see someone like nrysetf— come into the neck to see someone like myself and it is heartbreaking to hear— like myself and it is heartbreaking to hear the stories but we hear them over again. _ to hear the stories but we hear them overagain. it— to hear the stories but we hear them overagain, it is to hear the stories but we hear them over again, it is normal, to hear the stories but we hear them overagain, it is normal, isn't to hear the stories but we hear them over again, it is normal, isn't it? no. _ over again, it is normal, isn't it? no. it— over again, it is normal, isn't it? no. it is— over again, it is normal, isn't it? no. it is not— over again, it is normal, isn't it? no, it is not normal and there are things— no, it is not normal and there are things we — no, it is not normal and there are things we can do and if you can get it done _ things we can do and if you can get it done sooner it stops all of that

snowballing and getting to the point you cannot leave the house.- you cannot leave the house. hazel, 30 ears you cannot leave the house. hazel, 30 years and _ you cannot leave the house. hazel, 30 years and everything _ you cannot leave the house. hazel, l 30 years and everything exacerbated by the cost—of—living crisis? because it is so expensive buying what you need to buy?— because it is so expensive buying what you need to buy? people talk about food increasing _ what you need to buy? people talk about food increasing prices, - what you need to buy? people talk about food increasing prices, but l about food increasing prices, but personal items like that, they went up personal items like that, they went up in price as well. it is personal items like that, they went up in price as well.— up in price as well. it is not 'ust that. love �* up in price as well. it is not 'ust that. love means, i up in price as well. it is not 'ust that. love means, you i up in price as well. it is not 'ust that. love means, you talk“ up in price as well. it is notjust i that. love means, you talk about adore your pelvic floor, what do you think so far? triumph from bev and lisa and how they have been helped in their lives have been transformed but someone like hazel, i am sure represents a lot of people listening and watching right now. it represents a lot of people listening and watching right now.— and watching right now. it certainly does and it breaks _

and watching right now. it certainly does and it breaks my _ and watching right now. it certainly does and it breaks my heart. - and watching right now. it certainly does and it breaks my heart. every| does and it breaks my heart. every day as— does and it breaks my heart. every day as our— does and it breaks my heart. every day as our public— does and it breaks my heart. every day as our public health _ day as our public health physiotherapist- day as our public health physiotherapist i- day as our public health physiotherapist i am - day as our public health i physiotherapist i am here day as our public health - physiotherapist i am here and as mentioned. _ physiotherapist i am here and as mentioned, the _ physiotherapist i am here and as mentioned, the stories - physiotherapist i am here and as mentioned, the stories are - mentioned, the stories are heartbreaking _ mentioned, the stories are heartbreaking but- mentioned, the stories are heartbreaking but we - mentioned, the stories are heartbreaking but we needj mentioned, the stories are . heartbreaking but we need to mentioned, the stories are - heartbreaking but we need to make mentioned, the stories are _ heartbreaking but we need to make it clear that _ heartbreaking but we need to make it clear that 85% — heartbreaking but we need to make it clear that 85% of _ heartbreaking but we need to make it clear that 85% of bladder _ heartbreaking but we need to make it clear that 85% of bladder and - heartbreaking but we need to make it clear that 85% of bladder and bowel l clear that 85% of bladder and bowel issues _ clear that 85% of bladder and bowel issues can— clear that 85% of bladder and bowel issues can be — clear that 85% of bladder and bowel issues can be resolved _ clear that 85% of bladder and bowel issues can be resolved with - clear that 85% of bladder and bowel issues can be resolved with six - issues can be resolved with six visits— issues can be resolved with six visits to — issues can be resolved with six visits to a _ issues can be resolved with six visits to a public _ issues can be resolved with six visits to a public health - visits to a public health physiotherapist- visits to a public health physiotherapist for- visits to a public health - physiotherapist for attending a quality— physiotherapist for attending a quality pelvic _ physiotherapist for attending a quality pelvic health _ physiotherapist for attending a i quality pelvic health programme physiotherapist for attending a - quality pelvic health programme and excuse _ quality pelvic health programme and excuse the _ quality pelvic health programme and excuse the pun— quality pelvic health programme and excuse the pun but _ quality pelvic health programme and excuse the pun but the _ quality pelvic health programme and excuse the pun but the floodgates . excuse the pun but the floodgates open. _ excuse the pun but the floodgates open. people— excuse the pun but the floodgates open, people cannot _ excuse the pun but the floodgates open, people cannot stop- excuse the pun but the floodgates open, people cannot stop talking i open, people cannot stop talking about— open, people cannot stop talking about this — open, people cannot stop talking about this and _ open, people cannot stop talking about this and that _ open, people cannot stop talking about this and that is _ open, people cannot stop talking about this and that is why - open, people cannot stop talking about this and that is why i - open, people cannot stop talking about this and that is why i talk i about this and that is why i talk about— about this and that is why i talk about it — about this and that is why i talk about it every _ about this and that is why i talk about it every day _ about this and that is why i talk about it every day of _ about this and that is why i talk about it every day of the - about this and that is why i talk about it every day of the way, i about this and that is why i talki about it every day of the way, in the supermarket, _ about it every day of the way, in the supermarket, to _ about it every day of the way, in the supermarket, to anybody i about it every day of the way, in. the supermarket, to anybody who won't _ the supermarket, to anybody who won't listen! _ the supermarket, to anybody who won't listen! about _ the supermarket, to anybody who won't listen! about pelvic- the supermarket, to anybody who won't listen! about pelvic floor. won't listen! about pelvic floor heatth — won't listen! about pelvic floor health because _ won't listen! about pelvic floor health because we _ won't listen! about pelvic floor health because we need - won't listen! about pelvic floor health because we need the i won't listen! about pelvic floor- health because we need the education and the _ health because we need the education and the facts — health because we need the education and the facts out _ health because we need the education and the facts out there _ health because we need the education and the facts out there so _ health because we need the education and the facts out there so women - health because we need the education and the facts out there so women are i and the facts out there so women are aware _ and the facts out there so women are aware that— and the facts out there so women are aware that help — and the facts out there so women are aware that help is _ and the facts out there so women are aware that help is out _ and the facts out there so women are aware that help is out there - and the facts out there so women are aware that help is out there because i aware that help is out there because it's so— aware that help is out there because it's so common _ aware that help is out there because it's so common. it's— aware that help is out there because it's so common. it's not— aware that help is out there because it's so common. it's not regarded i aware that help is out there because it's so common. it's not regarded as| it's so common. it's not regarded as normat~ _ it's so common. it's not regarded as normat~ we —

it's so common. it's not regarded as normat~ we need _ it's so common. it's not regarded as normal. we need to _ it's so common. it's not regarded as normal. we need to really— it's so common. it's not regarded as. normal. we need to really understand that using _ normal. we need to really understand that using some — normal. we need to really understand that using some strategies— normal. we need to really understand that using some strategies and - normal. we need to really understand that using some strategies and good i that using some strategies and good exercise _ that using some strategies and good exercise can — that using some strategies and good exercise can make _ that using some strategies and good exercise can make all— that using some strategies and good exercise can make all the _ exercise can make all the difference. _ exercise can make all the difference. we _ exercise can make all the difference. we all- exercise can make all the difference. we all get - exercise can make all the| difference. we all get into exercise can make all the - difference. we all get into bad bathroom _ difference. we all get into bad bathroom habits _ difference. we all get into bad bathroom habits like - difference. we all get into bad bathroom habits like hoveringl difference. we all get into bad - bathroom habits like hovering over the toilet— bathroom habits like hovering over the toilet or — bathroom habits like hovering over the toilet or going _ bathroom habits like hovering over the toilet or going past _ bathroom habits like hovering over the toilet or going past the - bathroom habits like hovering over the toilet or going past the toilet l the toilet or going past the toilet door and — the toilet or going past the toilet door and thinking _ the toilet or going past the toilet door and thinking i— the toilet or going past the toilet door and thinking i will— the toilet or going past the toilet door and thinking i will have - the toilet or going past the toilet door and thinking i will have a i door and thinking i will have a quick— door and thinking i will have a quick nap— door and thinking i will have a quick nap again _ door and thinking i will have a quick nap again but _ door and thinking i will have a quick nap again but all - door and thinking i will have a quick nap again but all of - door and thinking i will have a i quick nap again but all of those things— quick nap again but all of those things could _ quick nap again but all of those things could compound - quick nap again but all of those things could compound bladder quick nap again but all of those - things could compound bladder and bowel— things could compound bladder and bowel heatth — things could compound bladder and bowel health problems. _ things could compound bladder and bowel health problems. find - things could compound bladder and bowel health problems.— bowel health problems. and why is that? your bladder— bowel health problems. and why is that? your bladder is _ bowel health problems. and why is that? your bladder is able - bowel health problems. and why is that? your bladder is able to - that? your bladder is able to withstand — that? your bladder is able to withstand a _ that? your bladder is able to withstand a good _ that? your bladder is able to withstand a good amount - that? your bladder is able to withstand a good amount of| that? your bladder is able to - withstand a good amount of urine but if you _ withstand a good amount of urine but if you keep _ withstand a good amount of urine but if you keep emptying _ withstand a good amount of urine but if you keep emptying the _ withstand a good amount of urine but if you keep emptying the bladder- if you keep emptying the bladder before _ if you keep emptying the bladder before it — if you keep emptying the bladder before it is — if you keep emptying the bladder before it is ready— if you keep emptying the bladder before it is ready it _ if you keep emptying the bladder before it is ready it gets - if you keep emptying the bladder before it is ready it gets lazy - if you keep emptying the bladder before it is ready it gets lazy and | before it is ready it gets lazy and it does _ before it is ready it gets lazy and it does not — before it is ready it gets lazy and it does not feel _ before it is ready it gets lazy and it does not feel like _ before it is ready it gets lazy and it does not feel like what - before it is ready it gets lazy and it does not feel like what shouldl before it is ready it gets lazy and | it does not feel like what should i bother— it does not feel like what should i bother holding _ it does not feel like what should i bother holding onto _ it does not feel like what should i bother holding onto this - it does not feel like what should i bother holding onto this and - it does not feel like what should i bother holding onto this and that| bother holding onto this and that frequency— bother holding onto this and that frequency can _ bother holding onto this and that frequency can occur— bother holding onto this and that frequency can occur and - bother holding onto this and that frequency can occur and that - bother holding onto this and that . frequency can occur and that habit, our brain— frequency can occur and that habit, our brain talks _ frequency can occur and that habit, our brain talks to _ frequency can occur and that habit, our brain talks to our— frequency can occur and that habit, our brain talks to our bladder- frequency can occur and that habit, our brain talks to our bladder and l our brain talks to our bladder and bowel— our brain talks to our bladder and bowel and — our brain talks to our bladder and bowel and so _ our brain talks to our bladder and bowel and so many— our brain talks to our bladder and bowel and so many things - our brain talks to our bladder and bowel and so many things are - bowel and so many things are involved — bowel and so many things are involved here. _ bowel and so many things are involved here. muscles - bowel and so many things are involved here. muscles are i bowel and so many things are - involved here. muscles are muscles. they need _

involved here. muscles are muscles. they need coordination _ involved here. muscles are muscles. they need coordination and - involved here. muscles are muscles. they need coordination and a - involved here. muscles are muscles. they need coordination and a good l they need coordination and a good rest in _ they need coordination and a good rest in turn. — they need coordination and a good rest in turn, they— they need coordination and a good rest in turn, they need _ they need coordination and a good rest in turn, they need length- they need coordination and a good rest in turn, they need length to l rest in turn, they need length to enable _ rest in turn, they need length to enable strength— rest in turn, they need length to enable strength and _ rest in turn, they need length to enable strength and you - rest in turn, they need length to enable strength and you could . rest in turn, they need length to . enable strength and you could just some _ enable strength and you could just some of— enable strength and you could just some of these _ enable strength and you could just some of these things _ enable strength and you could just some of these things into- enable strength and you could just some of these things into place i enable strength and you could justl some of these things into place and there _ some of these things into place and there are _ some of these things into place and there are resources _ some of these things into place and there are resources available, - some of these things into place and there are resources available, the l there are resources available, the advice _ there are resources available, the advice is — there are resources available, the advice is go — there are resources available, the advice is go and _ there are resources available, the advice is go and look— there are resources available, the advice is go and look for- there are resources available, the advice is go and look for help, - there are resources available, the advice is go and look for help, do| advice is go and look for help, do not keep— advice is go and look for help, do not keep it — advice is go and look for help, do not keep it quiet, _ advice is go and look for help, do not keep it quiet, look— advice is go and look for help, do not keep it quiet, look for- advice is go and look for help, do not keep it quiet, look for help. not keep it quiet, look for help because — not keep it quiet, look for help because it _ not keep it quiet, look for help because it can _ not keep it quiet, look for help because it can be _ not keep it quiet, look for help because it can be dramatic- not keep it quiet, look for help- because it can be dramatic changes. your social— because it can be dramatic changes. your social life, _ because it can be dramatic changes. your social life, your— your social life, your relationships, - your social life, your relationships, do- your social life, yourj relationships, do not your social life, your- relationships, do not keep your social life, your— relationships, do not keep quiet. what _ relationships, do not keep quiet. what would _ relationships, do not keep quiet. what would you _ relationships, do not keep quiet. what would you say— relationships, do not keep quiet. what would you say to _ relationships, do not keep quiet. what would you say to hazel, - relationships, do not keep quiet. i what would you say to hazel, you heard her situation? i what would you say to hazel, you heard her situation?— heard her situation? i have a daughter— heard her situation? i have a daughter aged _ heard her situation? i have a daughter aged 46 _ heard her situation? i have a daughter aged 46 and - heard her situation? i have a daughter aged 46 and 35 - heard her situation? i have a j daughter aged 46 and 35 and heard her situation? i have a i daughter aged 46 and 35 and i heard her situation? i have a - daughter aged 46 and 35 and i tell them all the time pelvic floor exercises or personal. it is called self—care. you are looking after yourself and that is something that only you can do, no one else can come and do your pelvic floor exercises! my 46—year—old is going through the change now and she is

not having lots of problems yet with her bladder and i was with the 35—year—old, she does not stop. but exercise, exercise your pelvic floor which we used to do, i am 65 at the end of this month and were used to do that at school. our pe teacher used to ask the girls, can we draw up used to ask the girls, can we draw up our pelvic floor muscles? and we did! it was natural, standing in the car, we could do it for ever well liked! ,., . , ~ car, we could do it for ever well liked! . , ~ , liked! personally i think it is so important _ liked! personally i think it is so important to — liked! personally i think it is so important to have _ liked! personally i think it is so| important to have post-surgery important to have post—surgery rehabilitation, _ important to have post—surgery rehabilitation, post _ important to have post—surgery. rehabilitation, post hysterectomy because — rehabilitation, post hysterectomy because the — rehabilitation, post hysterectomy because the uterus _ rehabilitation, post hysterectomy because the uterus is— rehabilitation, post hysterectomy because the uterus is all- rehabilitation, post hysterectomy because the uterus is all part - rehabilitation, post hysterectomy because the uterus is all part of i because the uterus is all part of the support— because the uterus is all part of the support system _ because the uterus is all part of the support system within - because the uterus is all part of the support system within the l because the uterus is all part of - the support system within the pelvis and pelvic— the support system within the pelvis and pelvic organ—

the support system within the pelvis and pelvic organ prolapse _ the support system within the pelvis and pelvic organ prolapse we - the support system within the pelvis and pelvic organ prolapse we need i and pelvic organ prolapse we need rehabilitation _ and pelvic organ prolapse we need rehabilitation and _ and pelvic organ prolapse we need rehabilitation and i— and pelvic organ prolapse we need rehabilitation and i know— and pelvic organ prolapse we need rehabilitation and i know that - and pelvic organ prolapse we needl rehabilitation and i know that helen will agree _ rehabilitation and i know that helen will agree with _ rehabilitation and i know that helen will agree with me. _ rehabilitation and i know that helen will agree with me. because - rehabilitation and i know that helen will agree with me. because i- rehabilitation and i know that helen will agree with me. because i am i rehabilitation and i know that helen will agree with me. because i am a| will agree with me. because i am a follower— will agree with me. because i am a follower of— will agree with me. because i am a follower of helen _ will agree with me. because i am a follower of helen and _ will agree with me. because i am a follower of helen and her - will agree with me. because i am a follower of helen and her work - will agree with me. because i am a follower of helen and her work is l follower of helen and her work is amazing — follower of helen and her work is amazing it — follower of helen and her work is amazing it is— follower of helen and her work is amazing. it is education, - follower of helen and her work is amazing. it is education, to- follower of helen and her work is amazing. it is education, to the i amazing. it is education, to the health— amazing. it is education, to the health professionals— amazing. it is education, to the health professionals it - amazing. it is education, to the health professionals it is - amazing. it is education, to the . health professionals it is education as well. _ health professionals it is education as well. girls— health professionals it is education as well. girls in— health professionals it is education as well, girls in school— health professionals it is education as well, girls in school and - health professionals it is educationi as well, girls in school and mothers and women — as well, girls in school and mothers and women in — as well, girls in school and mothers and women in the _ as well, girls in school and mothers and women in the menopause, - as well, girls in school and mothers and women in the menopause, to l and women in the menopause, to empower— and women in the menopause, to empower yourselves. _ and women in the menopause, to empower yourselves.— and women in the menopause, to empower yourselves. empower, i am borrowin: empower yourselves. empower, i am borrowing your — empower yourselves. empower, i am borrowing your phrase, _ borrowing your phrase, unapologetically, the texts that the plotlines the phone lines, they have been flooded. my son has to be mindful of where he is from distance to the toilet or if they have any he cannot go for a sleepover with friends in case you can separate. the disaffected with his mental health, teenage boy cope he feels like he is the only boy in the world

affected. and another texture since the cost of living crisis has increased the price of incontinence pads since january. and let's be clear, it is notjust a female thing, i am 75 and i have had prostate cancer, damage to my spine, i get by wearing an constance boxer shorts, if you buy them from an age uk shop there are vat benefits but sadly the pads are available from the nhs are useless. that was from phil and suffolk. owning a pe teacher and teaching trampolining is a nightmare says catherine. nicky and the team thank you for bringing this topic up for discussion. i am so depressed, i have no quality of life, my marriage has suffered to the point i sleep in a separate bed and i have suffered with this for eight years with no help from doctors. from angie. but there is

help and advice, suzanne, willjoin diane and joe and derbyshire in a moment. suzanne, there is help and i guess when we are talking about pelvic floor exercises yet yab fund for wisdom and knowledge, there will be some tips i guess?— be some tips i guess? pelvic floor exercises on _ be some tips i guess? pelvic floor exercises on a _ be some tips i guess? pelvic floor exercises on a day _ be some tips i guess? pelvic floor exercises on a day or— be some tips i guess? pelvic floor exercises on a day or at _ be some tips i guess? pelvic floor exercises on a day or at schools i exercises on a day or at schools along on social media so mostly on tiktok, half a million followers doing pelvic floor exercises, i squeeze my hand up and down to music and that is a way of getting your talking about it.— talking about it. give us an idea now of the _ talking about it. give us an idea now of the sort _ talking about it. give us an idea now of the sort of _ talking about it. give us an idea now of the sort of thing - talking about it. give us an idea now of the sort of thing people | talking about it. give us an idea i now of the sort of thing people can do now listening, is it a squeeze? i guarantee everyone watching and listening is doing the squeeze right now? . listening is doing the squeeze right now? , , ., , ., now? the squeeze should be at your back passage _ now? the squeeze should be at your back passage and — now? the squeeze should be at your back passage and imagine _ now? the squeeze should be at your back passage and imagine you - now? the squeeze should be at yourj back passage and imagine you trying to hold wind and pull that forward and stop having a win, it should not

be your bottom muscles, your tummy, your eyebrows, it should be a secret exercises so no one should know you are doing it but the biggest error most people make is they try to hard, get the app squeezing and i've got to school set up, but you think gently about trying to hold in wind, it is an easy way to get the muscles working. a, it is an easy way to get the muscles workinu. �* . ~ it is an easy way to get the muscles workin. �* , working. a back passage squeeze? it has not to working. a back passage squeeze? it has got to be — working. a back passage squeeze? it has got to be targeted, _ working. a back passage squeeze? it has got to be targeted, targeted - has got to be targeted, targeted schools, i get it, absolutely. hazel, eurostar, thank you so much forfor hazel, eurostar, thank you so much for for getting hazel, eurostar, thank you so much forfor getting in touch. hazel, eurostar, thank you so much for for getting in touch. joe and diane. welcome! good morning, so what do you think of this? so what do you think of this? ’ir interesting, what do you think of this? 5r interesting, really nice to speak to you. interesting, really nice to speak to ou. ., y ., interesting, really nice to speak to ou. ., , ., ,, ., interesting, really nice to speak to ou. ., y., ,, ., ., you. lovely to speak to you and i a- laud you. lovely to speak to you and i applaud you _ you. lovely to speak to you and i applaud you again _ you. lovely to speak to you and i applaud you again for _ you. lovely to speak to you and i applaud you again for coming - you. lovely to speak to you and i applaud you again for coming on | you. lovely to speak to you and i - applaud you again for coming on and talking about this because what you

are going to tell us will help lots of people. tell us about your problems. j of people. tell us about your problems-— of people. tell us about your roblems. . . ., problems. i live with a medical condition- _ problems. i live with a medical condition. i— problems. i live with a medical condition. i am _ problems. i live with a medical condition. i am affected - problems. i live with a medical condition. i am affected quitel condition. i am affected quite badly. overactive bladder syndrome which i take tablets for and they have helped me quite a bit but even then at night it can disturb my night. my bladder will wake me and i need to get to the toilet but i wear every night three large maxi pads. i may not always need all of them but just in case! and that is my worst time at night time because it disturbs my sleep and because it disturbs my sleep and because it disturbs my sleep i now have dark pads under my eyes because i do not

get enough sleep! ina tiny, in a tiny, tiny, tiny way i get that. no to this extent, but as men get older you have to ketchup a couple of times, maybe. obviously i am very much in my late 30s! you have to get up a couple of times. but i understand, it is a desperate situation, you wake up, you do what needs to be done and you can't get back to sleep. i needs to be done and you can't get back to sleep-— back to sleep. i get back to sleep, if i'm honest. _ back to sleep. i get back to sleep, if i'm honest, but _ back to sleep. i get back to sleep, if i'm honest, but my— back to sleep. i get back to sleep, if i'm honest, but my bladder- back to sleep. i get back to sleep, i if i'm honest, but my bladder wakes me again. the if i'm honest, but my bladder wakes me aaain. , , if i'm honest, but my bladder wakes meaaain. . , if i'm honest, but my bladder wakes meaaain. , , me again. the problem is if you wake in the middle — me again. the problem is if you wake in the middle of _ me again. the problem is if you wake in the middle of the _ me again. the problem is if you wake in the middle of the night _ me again. the problem is if you wake in the middle of the night and - me again. the problem is if you wake in the middle of the night and the - in the middle of the night and the troubles of the day start to plague you. i troubles of the day start to plague ou. ., �* . y troubles of the day start to plague ou. ., �* . , . . troubles of the day start to plague ou. .�* you. i don't really have much, i'm so tired i— you. i don't really have much, i'm so tired i get _ you. i don't really have much, i'm so tired i get back _ you. i don't really have much, i'm so tired i get back to _ you. i don't really have much, i'm so tired i get back to sleep. - you. i don't really have much, i'm so tired i get back to sleep. dianaj so tired i get back to sleep. diana derbyshire _ so tired i get back to sleep. diana derbyshire -- _

so tired i get back to sleep. diana derbyshire -- diane _ so tired i get back to sleep. diana derbyshire -- diane in _ so tired i get back to sleep. diana derbyshire —— diane in derbyshire, it has been really bad? yes. derbyshire -- diane in derbyshire, it has been really bad?— it has been really bad? yes. i can resonate with _ it has been really bad? yes. i can resonate with your _ it has been really bad? yes. i can resonate with your callers, - it has been really bad? yes. i can resonate with your callers, the i resonate with your callers, the sleepless _ resonate with your callers, the sleepless nights, getting up in the night _ sleepless nights, getting up in the night i_ sleepless nights, getting up in the night. i had an incident where i went— night. i had an incident where i went shopping in a top clothes shop, to be _ went shopping in a top clothes shop, to be quite _ went shopping in a top clothes shop, to be quite truthful with you, and i had a _ to be quite truthful with you, and i had a leak— to be quite truthful with you, and i had a leak which was quite bad. the assistance _ had a leak which was quite bad. the assistance came and asked me to leave _ assistance came and asked me to leave the — assistance came and asked me to leave the shop, and i have never been _ leave the shop, and i have never been so — leave the shop, and i have never been so embarrassed in my life —— the assistant — been so embarrassed in my life —— the assistant came. it was awful. as i the assistant came. it was awful. as i was _ the assistant came. it was awful. as i was walking out of the shop ijust had to— i was walking out of the shop ijust had to look— i was walking out of the shop ijust had to look back and i saw her coming — had to look back and i saw her coming out with a mop and bucket and i coming out with a mop and bucket and l have _ coming out with a mop and bucket and l have never— coming out with a mop and bucket and i have never been so embarrassed. floods _ i have never been so embarrassed. floods of _ i have never been so embarrassed. floods of tears. i have never been back— floods of tears. i have never been back in _ floods of tears. i have never been back in the — floods of tears. i have never been back in the shop again. it puts me off shopping completely. when i have asked _ off shopping completely. when i have asked whether it is possible i can use a _ asked whether it is possible i can use a loo— asked whether it is possible i can use a loo in— asked whether it is possible i can use a loo in a supermarket i have

been _ use a loo in a supermarket i have been told. — use a loo in a supermarket i have been told, staff only. it is horrific. _ been told, staff only. it is horrific, my mental health has suffered — horrific, my mental health has suffered terribly.— horrific, my mental health has suffered terribly. what did that shop assistants _ suffered terribly. what did that shop assistants say? _ suffered terribly. what did that shop assistants say? i'm - suffered terribly. what did that j shop assistants say? i'm sorry, suffered terribly. what did that - shop assistants say? i'm sorry, but could i please _ shop assistants say? i'm sorry, but could i please ask _ shop assistants say? i'm sorry, but could i please ask you _ shop assistants say? i'm sorry, but could i please ask you to _ shop assistants say? i'm sorry, but could i please ask you to leave? i could i please ask you to leave? that _ could i please ask you to leave? that is _ could i please ask you to leave? that is all— could i please ask you to leave? that is all i_ could i please ask you to leave? that is all i got. she looked down, there _ that is all i got. she looked down, there were — that is all i got. she looked down, there were several little puddles. i 'ust there were several little puddles. i just did _ there were several little puddles. i just did not even retort, i walked out of— just did not even retort, i walked out of the — just did not even retort, i walked out of the shop. but i can resonate with everybody. plastic bags on the seats _ with everybody. plastic bags on the seats this — with everybody. plastic bags on the seats. this was absolutely horrific. i seats. this was absolutely horrific. l have _ seats. this was absolutely horrific. l have never— seats. this was absolutely horrific. i have never been in a shop since. nicky. _ i have never been in a shop since. nicky. can — i have never been in a shop since. nicky. can i — i have never been in a shop since. nicky, can i come in? hearing diane's story and stories like these are heartbreaking and i think they are heartbreaking and i think they are really important to share and it is great we are doing this, because we say and continents, we think we

know what that means, that it is the impact on women's lives, the mental health toll, the effect on your self—esteem, on relationships, on your social life, as we have heard, how you go to work and manage that. women who gave up jobs or change to differentjobs because they cannot manage them any more. all right, it is not life—threatening, but the impact these conditions have on women's lives, this is what we need to know about and we need to know how prolific it is and everybody needs the education to understand how to help themselves, the medical profession needs to know more. improving women's lives are little which have a massive benefit to the emotional toll.— emotionaltoll. diane, iwant to thank you _ emotionaltoll. diane, iwant to thank you particularly, - emotionaltoll. diane, iwant to thank you particularly, coming l emotional toll. diane, i want to i thank you particularly, coming on and telling us that story, maybe

people have the beginnings of an understanding or a fuller understanding or a fuller understanding of what is going on, and menopause, the change, as it was referred to earlier by hazel, that can be a cause. my friend divina has done such sterling work on that. thank you for getting in touch with us and take care. can we talk about incontinence? we are. get in touch, 08085 909693, or 85058 on text. with apologies of being slightly late for the news, it is 10:35am. here is karishma patel. new figures show the number

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i can't stop thinking about diane's call and that situation in the high—end clothes shop. we are talking about incontinence, specifically women's. i'm notjust playing lip service, we will address mail in concert —— male incontinence at some stage in the not too distant. we arejoined by at some stage in the not too distant. we are joined by a writer who has a podcast about incontinence, we are also joined by a pelvic health physiotherapist. lisa is in bedford. isn't this great, we are talking about this and i am learning so much, lisa? you're on, tell i am learning so much, lisa? you're on. tell us— i am learning so much, lisa? you're on, tell us more. _ i am learning so much, lisa? you're on, tell us more. basically, - i am learning so much, lisa? you're on, tell us more. basically, when i i on, tell us more. basically, when i was 35, i became incontinent due to having three children. i went to the

doctors, they referred me to the hospital and i had a tension vaginal tape put in. i thought, right, fine. 18 months later the hospital got in touch to say it had not worked, they had made a mistake and they had gone through my urethra and my bladder and back through. i'm now 54 and i have had 26 operations on my bladder. �* , have had 26 operations on my bladder-- l _ have had 26 operations on my bladder.- i now - have had 26 operations on my bladder.- i now live i have had 26 operations on my i bladder.- i now live with have had 26 operations on my - bladder.- i now live with the bladder. blimey. i now live with the catheter and _ bladder. blimey. i now live with the catheter and an _ bladder. blimey. i now live with the catheter and an ostomy _ bladder. blimey. i now live with the catheter and an ostomy bag - bladder. blimey. i now live with the catheter and an ostomy bag and - bladder. blimey. i now live with the catheter and an ostomy bag and i l catheter and an ostomy bag and i have that for life.— catheter and an ostomy bag and i have that for life. how mobile are ou? have that for life. how mobile are you? how— have that for life. how mobile are you? how much _ have that for life. how mobile are you? how much do _ have that for life. how mobile are you? how much do you _ have that for life. how mobile are you? how much do you get - have that for life. how mobile are you? how much do you get out? | have that for life. how mobile arej you? how much do you get out? i have that for life. how mobile are i you? how much do you get out? i go out now, you? how much do you get out? i go out now. i— you? how much do you get out? i go out now. i have _ you? how much do you get out? i gr? out now, i have learned to live with it. i had to have it changed every other day, my husband is trained to

change it every other day. the last operation, basically they have used my appendix from my bellybutton to my appendix from my bellybutton to my bladder to make a channel because i have a man—made urethra now, but it does not work. basically the idea was to put a catheter in, go to the toilet and then take it out and be on my way, but that has not worked and so i basically permanently live with a catheter. i have suffered from depression to the extent where i have been suicidal. i became a hermit. i have had a device called a

urinary sphincter that can last for ten years and then they go in and they change it for another ten years. mine went for nine years and it still works now, it is a fantastic bit of device, it is all linked up and basically it is due to my bladder now and not wanting to contract. i have an overactive bladder but i can only hold 250 mill is in my bladder, so not even a cup of tea. like the ladies on the other calls, if i need to go, i've got to go. i have no control whatsoever over my bladder. basically the bag

is the as an overflow. you over my bladder. basically the bag is the as an overflow.— over my bladder. basically the bag is the as an overflow. you have been throuuh is the as an overflow. you have been through some _ is the as an overflow. you have been through some bleak _ is the as an overflow. you have been through some bleak times. - is the as an overflow. you have been through some bleak times. how - is the as an overflow. you have been through some bleak times. how is i through some bleak times. how is your head now? have you got to equilibrium? i your head now? have you got to equilibrium?— your head now? have you got to eauilibrium? ., ., ., , ., equilibrium? i have got to the stage now where l — equilibrium? i have got to the stage now where i have _ equilibrium? i have got to the stage now where i have learned _ equilibrium? i have got to the stage now where i have learned to - equilibrium? i have got to the stage now where i have learned to live i now where i have learned to live with it, i have adapted, i have had to change my whole... the way i work clothes. that is the main thing, trying to get clothes to disguise that i have a bag. it sits literally from my bellybutton all the way down to my bikini line, i have a great big bag, a five litre bag. i have found the worst was when i go on holiday. i can't wear bikinis, all the bikinis that you get are

obviously bikini line, i need is one that covers my bellybutton because obviously i have my bag. it has been hard very hard. the only thing they could do would be to put an artificial bladder in, but i have refused to have another seven or eight hour operation. 26 operations so far, goodness _ eight hour operation. 26 operations so far, goodness me. _ eight hour operation. 26 operations so far, goodness me. wow, - eight hour operation. 26 operations so far, goodness me. wow, thank i eight hour operation. 26 operations i so far, goodness me. wow, thank you so far, goodness me. wow, thank you so much. claire in stanley as well, on the line. incredible calls. just so brave coming on, given what you have been through. ida. so brave coming on, given what you have been through.— so brave coming on, given what you have been through. no, that is fine. good morning. _ have been through. no, that is fine. good morning, claire. _ have been through. no, that is fine. good morning, claire. what - have been through. no, that is fine. good morning, claire. what is - have been through. no, that is fine. good morning, claire. what is it- good morning, claire. what is it like for you? — good morning, claire. what is it like for you? i _ good morning, claire. what is it like for you? i think _ good morning, claire. what is it like for you? i think for - good morning, claire. what is it like for you? i think for me, - like for you? i think for me, watching _ like for you? i think for me, watching your show this morning, if i'm watching your show this morning, if l'm honest. —

watching your show this morning, if l'm honest. i— watching your show this morning, if i'm honest, iam watching your show this morning, if i'm honest, i am absolutely floored because _ i'm honest, i am absolutely floored because i'm only 41, i have had problems— because i'm only 41, i have had problems with leakage when i have a cold or— problems with leakage when i have a cold or a _ problems with leakage when i have a cold or a cough particularly so i wear— cold or a cough particularly so i wear little _ cold or a cough particularly so i wear little liners, i actually thought _ wear little liners, i actually thought this wasjust wear little liners, i actually thought this was just one of those things— thought this was just one of those things that happens to you as you -et things that happens to you as you get that— things that happens to you as you get that little bit older. i have four— get that little bit older. i have four children. i never even thought that this _ four children. i never even thought that this was an issue, that it wasn't — that this was an issue, that it wasn't normal for this to happen. i wasn't normal for this to happen. i was a _ wasn't normal for this to happen. i was a bit _ wasn't normal for this to happen. i was a bit surprised hearing some of the stories— was a bit surprised hearing some of the stories from your callers. 0bviously— the stories from your callers. obviously i am not as bad as that, thankfully. — obviously i am not as bad as that, thankfully, but it breaks your heart to hear— thankfully, but it breaks your heart to hear them, thankfully, but it breaks your heart to hearthem, it thankfully, but it breaks your heart to hear them, it really does. this has been good — to hear them, it really does. in 3 has been good because you have realised that you are not alone and it is notjust a part of getting older, you are only 44. i bet you were doing the exercise when suzanne was? . . , . sor were doing the exercise when suzanne

was?_ sorry to - were doing the exercise when suzanne was?_ sorry to butt i was? the clench, yes. sorry to butt in, but if was? the clench, yes. sorry to butt in. but if you _ was? the clench, yes. sorry to butt in, but if you are _ was? the clench, yes. sorry to butt in, but if you are just _ was? the clench, yes. sorry to butt in, but if you are just realising - in, but if you are just realising now— in, but if you are just realising now it — in, but if you are just realising now it is — in, but if you are just realising now it is not _ in, but if you are just realising now it is not normal, - in, but if you are just realising now it is not normal, having i in, but if you are just realising - now it is not normal, having heard peoplestories. _ now it is not normal, having heard peoplestories, please _ now it is not normal, having heard peoplestories, please go - now it is not normal, having heard peoplestories, please go and - now it is not normal, having heard peoplestories, please go and seel peoplestories, please go and see someone. — peoplestories, please go and see someone. ask— peoplestories, please go and see someone. ask to _ peoplestories, please go and see someone, ask to see _ peoplestories, please go and see someone, ask to see a _ peoplestories, please go and see someone, ask to see a pelvic- peoplestories, please go and see i someone, ask to see a pelvic health physio. _ someone, ask to see a pelvic health physio. see — someone, ask to see a pelvic health physio. see your— someone, ask to see a pelvic health physio. see your gp_ someone, ask to see a pelvic health physio, see your gp because - someone, ask to see a pelvic health physio, see your gp because it- someone, ask to see a pelvic health physio, see your gp because it is. physio, see your gp because it is the beginning _ physio, see your gp because it is the beginning of— physio, see your gp because it is the beginning of starting - physio, see your gp because it is the beginning of starting to - physio, see your gp because it is the beginning of starting to get i the beginning of starting to get things— the beginning of starting to get things improved _ the beginning of starting to get things improved rather- the beginning of starting to get things improved rather than. things improved rather than worsening. _ things improved rather than worsening, so _ things improved rather than worsening, so please - things improved rather than worsening, so please go - things improved rather thani worsening, so please go and things improved rather than- worsening, so please go and see someone — worsening, so please go and see someone. . . worsening, so please go and see someone. ,, ., ., worsening, so please go and see someone-— worsening, so please go and see someone. ,, ., ., ., y ., worsening, so please go and see someone. ,, ., ., ., someone. suzanne, what would you say to claire? you — someone. suzanne, what would you say to claire? you can _ someone. suzanne, what would you say to claire? you can stop— someone. suzanne, what would you say to claire? you can stop with _ someone. suzanne, what would you say to claire? you can stop with the - to claire? you can stop with the basic things _ to claire? you can stop with the basic things like _ to claire? you can stop with the basic things like the _ to claire? you can stop with the basic things like the pelvic - to claire? you can stop with the basic things like the pelvic floor| basic things like the pelvic floor exercises. _ basic things like the pelvic floor exercises, but _ basic things like the pelvic floor exercises, but we _ basic things like the pelvic floor exercises, but we know- basic things like the pelvic floor exercises, but we know bladder exercises — exercises, but we know bladder exercises are _ exercises, but we know bladder exercises are complex - exercises, but we know bladder exercises are complex —— - exercises, but we know bladder exercises are complex —— you i exercises, but we know bladder. exercises are complex —— you can start _ exercises are complex —— you can start with — exercises are complex —— you can start with the _ exercises are complex —— you can start with the basic— exercises are complex —— you can start with the basic things. - exercises are complex —— you can start with the basic things. it - exercises are complex —— you can start with the basic things. it is i start with the basic things. it is not always— start with the basic things. it is not always pelvic— start with the basic things. it is not always pelvic floor, - start with the basic things. it is not always pelvic floor, it - start with the basic things. it is not always pelvic floor, it can i start with the basic things. it is. not always pelvic floor, it can be more _ not always pelvic floor, it can be more holistic. _ not always pelvic floor, it can be more holistic. if— not always pelvic floor, it can be more holistic. if the _ not always pelvic floor, it can be more holistic. if the pelvic- not always pelvic floor, it can be more holistic. if the pelvic floor| more holistic. if the pelvic floor exercises — more holistic. if the pelvic floor exercises are _ more holistic. if the pelvic floor exercises are not _ more holistic. if the pelvic floor exercises are not making - more holistic. if the pelvic floor exercises are not making a - exercises are not making a difference _ exercises are not making a difference with _ exercises are not making a difference with stress - exercises are not making a - difference with stress incontinence, you need _ difference with stress incontinence, you need to — difference with stress incontinence, you need to be _ difference with stress incontinence, you need to be consistent, - difference with stress incontinence, you need to be consistent, keep - you need to be consistent, keep practising — you need to be consistent, keep practising that _ you need to be consistent, keep practising that if— you need to be consistent, keep practising that if they _ you need to be consistent, keep practising that if they are - you need to be consistent, keep practising that if they are not. practising that if they are not changing _ practising that if they are not changing things— practising that if they are not changing things and - practising that if they are not changing things and a - practising that if they are not changing things and a few. practising that if they are not - changing things and a few weeks then see somebody— changing things and a few weeks then see somebody who _ changing things and a few weeks then see somebody who can _ changing things and a few weeks then see somebody who can give _ changing things and a few weeks then see somebody who can give you - see somebody who can give you individual— see somebody who can give you individual guidance _ see somebody who can give you individual guidance and - see somebody who can give you individual guidance and that - see somebody who can give you i individual guidance and that should help work— individual guidance and that should help work out — individual guidance and that should help work out what _ individual guidance and that should help work out what you _ individual guidance and that should help work out what you need - individual guidance and that should help work out what you need to - individual guidance and that should | help work out what you need to do. after _ help work out what you need to do. after i_ help work out what you need to do. after i had — help work out what you need to do. after i had my— help work out what you need to do.

after i had my children, _ help work out what you need to do. after i had my children, i— help work out what you need to do. after i had my children, i did - after i had my children, i did pelvic— after i had my children, i did pelvic floor, but it kind of fights off and — pelvic floor, but it kind of fights off and you think you do not need to, off and you think you do not need to. after— off and you think you do not need to. after a — off and you think you do not need to, after a little while —— it kind of fades — to, after a little while —— it kind of fades off. to, after a little while -- it kind of fades off-— to, after a little while -- it kind of fades off. yes, especially if it im - roves of fades off. yes, especially if it improves a _ of fades off. yes, especially if it improves a little _ of fades off. yes, especially if it improves a little bit, _ of fades off. yes, especially if it improves a little bit, but - of fades off. yes, especially if it improves a little bit, but if - of fades off. yes, especially if it improves a little bit, but if you | improves a little bit, but if you keep— improves a little bit, but if you keep leaking _ improves a little bit, but if you keep leaking but _ improves a little bit, but if you keep leaking but maybe - improves a little bit, but if you keep leaking but maybe only. improves a little bit, but if you i keep leaking but maybe only with improves a little bit, but if you - keep leaking but maybe only with a cough _ keep leaking but maybe only with a cough and — keep leaking but maybe only with a cough and cold. _ keep leaking but maybe only with a cough and cold, you _ keep leaking but maybe only with a cough and cold, you think- keep leaking but maybe only with a cough and cold, you think it- keep leaking but maybe only with a cough and cold, you think it is- cough and cold, you think it is manageable _ cough and cold, you think it is manageable and _ cough and cold, you think it is manageable and the - cough and cold, you think it is manageable and the pelvic. cough and cold, you think it is. manageable and the pelvic floor exercises — manageable and the pelvic floor exercises drop— manageable and the pelvic floor exercises drop off, _ manageable and the pelvic floor exercises drop off, but - manageable and the pelvic floor exercises drop off, but if - manageable and the pelvic floor exercises drop off, but if they. manageable and the pelvic floor. exercises drop off, but if they have improved _ exercises drop off, but if they have improved things _ exercises drop off, but if they have improved things that _ exercises drop off, but if they have improved things that you _ exercises drop off, but if they have improved things that you should i exercises drop off, but if they have i improved things that you should get back onto _ improved things that you should get back onto then — improved things that you should get back onto then and _ improved things that you should get back onto then and you _ improved things that you should get back onto then and you might - improved things that you should get back onto then and you might needl back onto then and you might need more _ back onto then and you might need more medical— back onto then and you might need more medical input. _ back onto then and you might need more medical input. 50 _ back onto then and you might need more medical input.— back onto then and you might need more medical input. so have you had a bit of a revelation _ more medical input. so have you had a bit of a revelation this _ more medical input. so have you had a bit of a revelation this morning, i a bit of a revelation this morning, claire? , , , a, a bit of a revelation this morning, claire? , , m , , claire? yes, my younger sister suffers with — claire? yes, my younger sister suffers with overactive - claire? yes, my younger sister| suffers with overactive bladder, claire? yes, my younger sister i suffers with overactive bladder, it is talked — suffers with overactive bladder, it is talked about in our family anyway but i thought it wasjust one of those — but i thought it wasjust one of those things, my dad also suffers, he was _ those things, my dad also suffers, he was full— those things, my dad also suffers, he was full colour incontinence pads — he was full colour incontinence pads it — he was full colour incontinence pads it is _ he was full colour incontinence pads. it is in the family, we discuss _ pads. it is in the family, we discuss it. _ pads. it is in the family, we discuss it, nobody is particularly

embarrassed. —— he wears full pull-up— embarrassed. —— he wears full pull—up incontinence pads. is embarrassed. -- he wears full pull-up incontinence pads. is that a hereditary aspect _ pull-up incontinence pads. is that a hereditary aspect to _ pull-up incontinence pads. is that a hereditary aspect to this? _ pull-up incontinence pads. is that a hereditary aspect to this? there - pull-up incontinence pads. is that a | hereditary aspect to this? there can be, hereditary aspect to this? there can be. absolutely- _ hereditary aspect to this? there can be, absolutely. it— hereditary aspect to this? there can be, absolutely. it goes _ hereditary aspect to this? there can be, absolutely. it goes back - hereditary aspect to this? there can be, absolutely. it goes back to - be, absolutely. it goes back to lifestyle and education and i would say that at the first point of call, try your gp to see if you can get a referral but we know the waiting lists are huge. you can see a pelvic floor health physio privately and we have a listing, it is not as expensive as you might first think, around 70p to £80 for a really good assessment. i know suzanne, she is wonderful with the work she does. pelvic health physio is no the muscles really well so they can work with you to gain with your pelvic

floor. yes, you might say your dad or your mum is in the same boat, and you wear a pad, or your mum is in the same boat, and you weara pad, oryou or your mum is in the same boat, and you wear a pad, or you won't have a cup of tea or want to know where the toilets are and you adapt your life toilets are and you adapt your life to suit your bladder. let's not forget bowel issues, one in seven women will express bowel incontinence.— women will express bowel incontinence. ., ., ., incontinence. you can't go to the swimming _ incontinence. you can't go to the swimming pool. _ incontinence. you can't go to the swimming pool, can _ incontinence. you can't go to the swimming pool, can you? - incontinence. you can't go to the swimming pool, can you? and i incontinence. you can't go to the i swimming pool, can you? and one incontinence. you can't go to the - swimming pool, can you? and one in ten men experience _ swimming pool, can you? and one in ten men experience bladder- swimming pool, can you? and one in ten men experience bladder health l ten men experience bladder health problems, sorry, one in ten will suffer bowel issues too. and i am really glad you will be bringing about the subject of that in future because they need the support too. but seek advice, or attend a good quality pelvic floor health programme which is what we offer, because so much can be done. don't

delay. take action, the sooner you take action, the easier it is too salty. take action, the easier it is too sal . �* take action, the easier it is too sal . ., ., -- salty. don't delay, do it today. -- the sooner— salty. don't delay, do it today. -- the sooner you — salty. don't delay, do it today. -- the sooner you take _ salty. don't delay, do it today. -- the sooner you take action, - salty. don't delay, do it today. -- the sooner you take action, the l the sooner you take action, the easier it is to solve. and the sooner you take action, the easier it is to solve.— easier it is to solve. and at any ace. easier it is to solve. and at any age- there _ easier it is to solve. and at any age- there is — easier it is to solve. and at any age. there is always _ easier it is to solve. and at any age. there is always time. - easier it is to solve. and at any i age. there is always time. lovely easier it is to solve. and at any - age. there is always time. lovely of you to call, claire.— age. there is always time. lovely of you to call, claire._ take | you to call, claire. thank you. take care and keep _ you to call, claire. thank you. take care and keep watching. _ you to call, claire. thank you. take care and keep watching. gail- you to call, claire. thank you. take care and keep watching. gail in - care and keep watching. gail in newcastle—under—lyme? how has this affected your life? newcastle-under-lyme? how has this affected your life?— affected your life? tremendously. socially now. _ affected your life? tremendously. socially now, if— affected your life? tremendously. socially now, if i _ affected your life? tremendously. socially now, if i go _ affected your life? tremendously. socially now, if i go anywhere - affected your life? tremendously. socially now, if i go anywhere at l socially now, if i go anywhere at all, the first thing i do is check on the website to see whether toilets are, see if there is good accessibility. it is at the forefront of your mind. you don't think about whether you will have a good time, you think, where are the

toilets? something i had to say about the habit of emptying your bladder, i am 57, when you were a child you are told to go to the toilet before bed, before going on a journey, even before having a meal. i didn't realise what an impact that has possibly had anyway. pelvic floor exercises was something you also learned to do, i could have opened a beer bottle at one time with my pelvic floor! but i had long covid last year and i didn't realise, after talking to the nurses, that's quite a high percentage of ladies are left with bladder incontinence or a very overactive bladder. it is the impact of social life. i have turned down things like weddings because i know it is a long day, i had turned down

places to go because i think, how will i get a very large pad into a very small handbag in case of an accident? i have been very fortunate that i can work from home, which has made a massive difference because first thing i think, how far do i get to the toilet, is there a queue? what is that like if you are out and about, it is easy for men. l what is that like if you are out and about, it is easy for men.- about, it is easy for men. i don't think it is _ about, it is easy for men. i don't think it is easy _ about, it is easy for men. i don't think it is easy for _ about, it is easy for men. i don't think it is easy for anybody. - about, it is easy for men. i don't think it is easy for anybody. but | about, it is easy for men. i don't i think it is easy for anybody. but in aeneral think it is easy for anybody. but in general terms _ think it is easy for anybody. but in general terms there _ think it is easy for anybody. but in general terms there is _ think it is easy for anybody. but in general terms there is not - think it is easy for anybody. but in general terms there is not a - think it is easy for anybody. but in | general terms there is not a queue for the male toilets. ihlat general terms there is not a queue for the male toilets.— for the male toilets. not that i had checked, for the male toilets. not that i had checked. but _ for the male toilets. not that i had checked, but they _ for the male toilets. not that i had checked, but they are _ for the male toilets. not that i had checked, but they are in _ for the male toilets. not that i had checked, but they are in and - for the male toilets. not that i had checked, but they are in and out . checked, but they are in and out much quicker. it can stop me from going outside. i get stressed, if i see that you i get back in the car and drive home. it is something that

should be discussed. l and drive home. it is something that should be discussed.— should be discussed. i have a top ti for should be discussed. i have a top tip for that- _ should be discussed. i have a top tip for that. top _ should be discussed. i have a top tip for that. top tip _ should be discussed. i have a top tip for that. top tip in _ should be discussed. i have a top tip for that. top tip in a - should be discussed. i have a top tip for that. top tip in a second, l tip for that. top tip in a second, hold that thought. _ tip for that. top tip in a second, hold that thought. helen, - tip for that. top tip in a second, hold that thought. helen, i- tip for that. top tip in a second, | hold that thought. helen, i have tip for that. top tip in a second, - hold that thought. helen, i have not heard from you in a while with comments on what you have just heard from gail. leaving the shop and leaving your shopping and just going home if you can't find the necessary sanctuary is a terrible situation. sadly it doesn't surprise me, just because — sadly it doesn't surprise me, just because of— sadly it doesn't surprise me, just because of all the similar stories i have _ because of all the similar stories i have heard — because of all the similar stories i have heard in recent years of women nipping _ have heard in recent years of women nipping behind bushes if they live in the _ nipping behind bushes if they live in the countryside orjust not going out at _ in the countryside orjust not going out at all — in the countryside orjust not going out at all. lots of people i speak to have — out at all. lots of people i speak to have young children, how do you manage _ to have young children, how do you manage that when you yourself need to take _ manage that when you yourself need to take care? 0ften manage that when you yourself need to take care? often you don't go out at all _

to take care? often you don't go out at all these — to take care? often you don't go out at all. these stories are endless, it is so— at all. these stories are endless, it is so prevalent and they also hidden — it is so prevalent and they also hidden and if we talk about incontinence we talk about it in a slightly— incontinence we talk about it in a slightlyjokey, laugh so much i'm going _ slightlyjokey, laugh so much i'm going to — slightlyjokey, laugh so much i'm going to wet myself kind of way, i think— going to wet myself kind of way, i think we _ going to wet myself kind of way, i think we triple a ourselves which contributes to an attitude that we thought— contributes to an attitude that we thought it wasjust contributes to an attitude that we thought it was just a normal part of ageing _ thought it was just a normal part of ageing and — thought it was just a normal part of ageing and people cannot recognise... ageing and people cannot recognise. . ._ ageing and people cannot recognise... ageing and people cannot recounise... ., , ., ., ., recognise... you see that on social media, recognise... you see that on social media. don't _ recognise... you see that on social media, don't you, _ recognise... you see that on social media, don't you, pmsl? - recognise... you see that on social media, don't you, pmsl? yes, - recognise... you see that on socialj media, don't you, pmsl? yes, and recognise... you see that on social. media, don't you, pmsl? yes, and it barely scratches _ media, don't you, pmsl? yes, and it barely scratches the _ media, don't you, pmsl? yes, and it barely scratches the surface - media, don't you, pmsl? yes, and it barely scratches the surface of - media, don't you, pmsl? yes, and it barely scratches the surface of the i barely scratches the surface of the issue _ barely scratches the surface of the issue we _ barely scratches the surface of the issue we are talking about. for me, were _ issue we are talking about. for me, were that _ issue we are talking about. for me, were that needs to change is from birth, _ were that needs to change is from birth, we — were that needs to change is from birth, we should be having these conversations with kids, we should be teaching than the correct terms for their— be teaching than the correct terms for their anatomy so they start to build _ for their anatomy so they start to build an— for their anatomy so they start to build an understanding of what their body is _ build an understanding of what their body is and how it functions,

especially when it comes to female genital— especially when it comes to female genital anatomy, the thing we shy away— genital anatomy, the thing we shy away from — genital anatomy, the thing we shy away from so much, because it is only— away from so much, because it is only building that education from a young _ only building that education from a young wage —— young age that we are notjust— young wage —— young age that we are notjust sniggering, saying, i am going _ notjust sniggering, saying, i am going to — notjust sniggering, saying, i am going to wet myself laughing. we have a _ going to wet myself laughing. we have a sense of what that means that we can _ have a sense of what that means that we can learn — have a sense of what that means that we can learn what we can do to help out. , , we can learn what we can do to help out. , _ , ., we can learn what we can do to help out. , ., , , out. this text says i have suffered incontinence _ out. this text says i have suffered incontinence from _ out. this text says i have suffered incontinence from 35, _ out. this text says i have suffered incontinence from 35, i'm - out. this text says i have suffered incontinence from 35, i'm now - out. this text says i have suffered j incontinence from 35, i'm now 45, out. this text says i have suffered l incontinence from 35, i'm now 45, i incontinence from 35, i'm now as, i have had children but i cannot run, trampoline, play rounders or football in the garden or the skipping rope, the only active activity i can do is walking with them. gps do not take this seriously but it also limits the activities i can participate in, it has led to me being overweight, i have found it hard to lose the extra gail, it is a vicious cycle. —— i have found it

hard to lose the extra fat. thank you, saj in manchester. ithink hard to lose the extra fat. thank you, saj in manchester. i think we could have gone on all day and we would have had loads and loads of calls. this is val in greater manchester. i am so pleased we managed to get you on. you have had a long struggle with this? yes. managed to get you on. you have had a long struggle with this?— a long struggle with this? yes, i think i was _ a long struggle with this? yes, i think i was 23 _ a long struggle with this? yes, i think i was 23 when _ a long struggle with this? yes, i think i was 23 when i _ a long struggle with this? yes, i think i was 23 when i had - a long struggle with this? yes, i think i was 23 when i had my - think i was 23 when i had my daughter. normal delivery that she was quite big, so i had an episiotomy. i did pelvic floor exercises, back in the table used to sit on the pad to do exercises, proper pelvic floor exercises. it has just got worse and worse. i went to see a continence nurse a while ago and she said i had an overactive

bladder. to be honest, it didn't help and i had to stop going because of caring for my mum. ijust couldn't leave my mum alone at all, and i am expecting a delivery of pads as we speak. they cost me an arm and the like.— arm and the like. yes, we heard about that _ arm and the like. yes, we heard about that earlier. _ arm and the like. yes, we heard about that earlier. i _ arm and the like. yes, we heard about that earlier. i have - arm and the like. yes, we heard about that earlier. i have to - arm and the like. yes, we heard | about that earlier. i have to wear bi ads about that earlier. i have to wear big pads all _ about that earlier. i have to wear big pads all the _ about that earlier. i have to wear big pads all the time, _ about that earlier. i have to wear big pads all the time, i _ about that earlier. i have to wear big pads all the time, i don't - about that earlier. i have to wear| big pads all the time, i don't even make it to the toilet in the house, and i don't live in a big house. i had to wear black crinkly trousers in case i league, which is fairly regularly. it is notjust bladder any more. i have a prolapse. l regularly. it is notjust bladder any more. i have a prolapse. i am any more. i have a prolapse. i am 60. any more. i have a prolapse. i am 60- suzanne. _ any more. i have a prolapse. i am 60. suzanne, we _ any more. i have a prolapse. i am 60. suzanne, we are _ any more. i have a prolapse. i am 60. suzanne, we are fast - any more. i have a prolapse. lam 60. suzanne, we are fast running out

of time but i need to hear from you. you might benefit from seeing a pelvic— you might benefit from seeing a pelvic health physio because what you did _ pelvic health physio because what you did previously, it sounds like you did previously, it sounds like you were — you did previously, it sounds like you were doing lots to stimulate and work on _ you were doing lots to stimulate and work on your pelvic floor but we did not used _ work on your pelvic floor but we did not used to— work on your pelvic floor but we did not used to work on the relaxation of your— not used to work on the relaxation of your pelvic floor, so it would be good _ of your pelvic floor, so it would be good to _ of your pelvic floor, so it would be good to work out whether your pelvic floor is _ good to work out whether your pelvic floor is overactive, rather than week, — floor is overactive, rather than week, it — floor is overactive, rather than week, it might be stimulating the overactive — week, it might be stimulating the overactive bladder symptoms, but it is sometimes hard to get the doctors to refer— is sometimes hard to get the doctors to refer you. — is sometimes hard to get the doctors to refer you, so if you can be asserted _ to refer you, so if you can be asserted and say, please can i be really _ asserted and say, please can i be really referred to, i wonder if that might— really referred to, i wonder if that might help? —— please can i be re-refeerd _ might help? -- please can i be re-refeerd-_ might help? -- please can i be re-refeerd-— might help? -- please can i be re-refeerd. , ., �* , ., ., ., re-refeerd. they don't seem to do an awful lot if i — re-refeerd. they don't seem to do an awful lot if i am _ re-refeerd. they don't seem to do an awful lot if i am honest, _ re-refeerd. they don't seem to do an awful lot ifi am honest, and - re-refeerd. they don't seem to do an awful lot ifi am honest, and it - re-refeerd. they don't seem to do an awful lot ifi am honest, and it is - awful lot if i am honest, and it is not like a little leak. tap awful lot ifi am honest, and it is not like a little leak.—

not like a little leak. top tip? it was yourself. — not like a little leak. top tip? it was yourself, louise? - not like a little leak. top tip? it was yourself, louise? with - not like a little leak. top tip? it - was yourself, louise? with frequency and urue was yourself, louise? with frequency and urge incontinence, _ was yourself, louise? with frequency and urge incontinence, what - was yourself, louise? with frequency and urge incontinence, what you - was yourself, louise? with frequency and urge incontinence, what you can | and urge incontinence, what you can try it _ and urge incontinence, what you can try it it— and urge incontinence, what you can try it if you _ and urge incontinence, what you can try it if you are — and urge incontinence, what you can try it if you are in _ and urge incontinence, what you can try it if you are in the _ and urge incontinence, what you can try it if you are in the queue - and urge incontinence, what you can try it if you are in the queue in- try it if you are in the queue in the supermarkets, _ try it if you are in the queue in the supermarkets, at - try it if you are in the queue in the supermarkets, at home i try it if you are in the queue in. the supermarkets, at home and try it if you are in the queue in- the supermarkets, at home and you have that _ the supermarkets, at home and you have that sudden _ the supermarkets, at home and you have that sudden urgency, - the supermarkets, at home and you have that sudden urgency, curl- the supermarkets, at home and you have that sudden urgency, curl yourj have that sudden urgency, curl your toes gently. — have that sudden urgency, curl your toes gently, slowly— have that sudden urgency, curl your toes gently, slowly all— have that sudden urgency, curl your toes gently, slowly all go _ have that sudden urgency, curl your toes gently, slowly all go up - have that sudden urgency, curl your toes gently, slowly all go up and . toes gently, slowly all go up and down _ toes gently, slowly all go up and down on — toes gently, slowly all go up and down on your— toes gently, slowly all go up and down on your toes, _ toes gently, slowly all go up and down on your toes, try— toes gently, slowly all go up and down on your toes, try to - toes gently, slowly all go up and down on your toes, try to keep l toes gently, slowly all go up and - down on your toes, try to keep calm, that can _ down on your toes, try to keep calm, that can help— down on your toes, try to keep calm, that can help on— down on your toes, try to keep calm, that can help on the _ down on your toes, try to keep calm, that can help on the urgency- down on your toes, try to keep calm, that can help on the urgency so - down on your toes, try to keep calm, that can help on the urgency so you i that can help on the urgency so you can calmlym — that can help on the urgency so you can calmlym i_ that can help on the urgency so you can calmly... i know— that can help on the urgency so you can calmly... i know it— that can help on the urgency so you can calmly... i know it sounds - that can help on the urgency so youj can calmly... i know it sounds crazy and i_ can calmly... i know it sounds crazy and i understand _ can calmly... i know it sounds crazy and i understand what— can calmly... i know it sounds crazy and i understand what you - can calmly... i know it sounds crazy and i understand what you are - and i understand what you are feeling, — and i understand what you are feeling, because _ and i understand what you are feeling, because when - and i understand what you are feeling, because when the - and i understand what you are - feeling, because when the urgency is, it is— feeling, because when the urgency is, it is there. _ feeling, because when the urgency is, it is there, when _ feeling, because when the urgency is, it is there, when it— feeling, because when the urgency is, it is there, when it is— feeling, because when the urgency is, it is there, when it is urgent- is, it is there, when it is urgent your— is, it is there, when it is urgent your bladder— is, it is there, when it is urgent your bladder steps— is, it is there, when it is urgent your bladder steps up - is, it is there, when it is urgent your bladder steps up even- is, it is there, when it is urgent. your bladder steps up even more, is, it is there, when it is urgent- your bladder steps up even more, so it does— your bladder steps up even more, so it does not— your bladder steps up even more, so it does not hurt— your bladder steps up even more, so it does not hurt to _ your bladder steps up even more, so it does not hurt to try, _ your bladder steps up even more, so it does not hurt to try, just _ your bladder steps up even more, so it does not hurt to try, just curl, - it does not hurt to try, just curl, breathe, — it does not hurt to try, just curl, breathe, try— it does not hurt to try, just curl, breathe, try to _ it does not hurt to try, just curl, breathe, try to bring _ it does not hurt to try, just curl, breathe, try to bring the - it does not hurt to try, just curl, i breathe, try to bring the intensity down _ breathe, try to bring the intensity down and — breathe, try to bring the intensity down and the _ breathe, try to bring the intensity down and the heart _ breathe, try to bring the intensity down and the heart rate - breathe, try to bring the intensity down and the heart rate to - breathe, try to bring the intensity down and the heart rate to walk. down and the heart rate to walk humbly — down and the heart rate to walk humbly to — down and the heart rate to walk humbly to the _ down and the heart rate to walk

humbly to the toilet. _ down and the heart rate to walk humbly to the toilet. [- down and the heart rate to walk humbly to the toilet.— humbly to the toilet. i will try that. thank — humbly to the toilet. i will try that. thank you. _ humbly to the toilet. i will try that. thank you. wow, - humbly to the toilet. i will try that. thank you. wow, what i humbly to the toilet. i will try - that. thank you. wow, what about that. thank you. wow, what about that. unbelievable. fantastic. incredible calls, brilliant experts. incredible calls, brilliant experts. i will see you tomorrow. live from london. this is bbc news our top story: kyiv claims to have shot down six of russia's most advanced hypersonic missiles — during a night of intense attacks on the ukrainian capital. five gang members are convicted in germany over a 100—million dollarjewel robbery — dubbed by local media as 'the biggest art heist in modern history'. the mother of a jailed kremlin critic tells the bbc his 'spirit is unbroken', despite a 25—year prison sentence. and top british surfers calling on manufacturers to do more to make the sport sustainable.

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