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live from london. this is bbc news what to do about artificial intelligence? the rush to now regulate — the man behind chat—gpt testifies before the us congress. i think if this technology goes wrong it can go quite wrong and be want to be vocal about that. we want to work with the government to prevent that from happening, ukraine claims to have shot down six of russia's most advanced — hypersonic missiles. if follows intense attacks on kyiv. hundreds of afghan interpreters, granted settlement status in the uk, are left stranded in hotels in pakistan — some for over a year.
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the ceo and co—founder of openai, the company behind the artificial intelligence tool chatgpt has been testifying before us congress for the first time. sam altman says the technology has the potential, to revolutionise how people — work, shop and interact. us lawmakers have been questioning him , both about the huge benefits the technology can bring — and the threat artificial intelligence could pose for humanity. in march, elon musk and other tech leaders — published an open letter — calling for the development of ai systems to be paused. before we go any further — a quick explainer about artificial intelligence. ai allows computers and systems the think in a more human way. it uses problem solving skills based on information that it can access. openai is the name of the company at the centre of the senate hearing. it's run by sam altman and was founded with one billion dollars of support from silicon valley investors.
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open ai is behind chatgpt — which at the heart of the senate hearing — it's a chatbot that gives detailed and often sophisticated answers to online queries. gpta — the latest version — can even recognise and explain images — offering creative suggestions. that has implications for artists and musicians. it all prompted questions about — whether — and how , ai should it be regulated? it's why sam altman is being questioned in the senate. the european union has already proposed tough measures. at a hearing in the senate, sam altman said ai could be as significant as the invention of the printing press — and could improve nearly every aspect of our lives. but he admitted the technology posed serious risks. i thinkjobs and employment and what we do with our time really matters. i agree that when we get to powerful systems the landscape will change,
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i think i'm just more optimistic that we are incredibly creative and that we find new things to do with better tools and that will keep happening. my worst fears is that we cause harm to the world and i think that could happen in a number of ways which is why we started the company and a big part of why i'm here today and why we are here in the past and spent some time with you. i think if this technology goes wrong it can go quite wrong and we want to be vocal about that. we want to work with the government to prevent that from happening but we try to be very clear eyed about the downside case is and the work we have to do to mitigate that. our technology reporter, shiona mccallum, says what he had to say wasn't a major surprise. it's kind of what we were expecting from some altman, he's not as well—known in comparison to mark zuckerberg but she is whether
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respected in silicon valley and he is very frank stop he's laid and relaxed and was able to answer all of the concerns with this feeling that he really wanted to sit with government. he didn't want to get into a situation in which the gears down the line there were problems with artificial intelligence. he spoke about the capabilities and lofty ambitions for to your cancer and solve climate change. he didn't want to get down the line and there were all these problems with this and then this retrospective legislation. he wants to be at the part of it and at the forefront of it and was honest to the senators who ask him a lot of questions in regards to ai taking all ourjobs or more nuance questions regarding its capabilities. it was interesting to get his perspective on it as well. interesting point you just made. at the heart of this entire composition is regulation, regulation or relation. . �* ,
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is regulation, regulation or relation. . �*, . ., , relation. that's correct and we see the li . hts relation. that's correct and we see the lights of _ relation. that's correct and we see the lights of italy _ relation. that's correct and we see the lights of italy last _ relation. that's correct and we see the lights of italy last month - the lights of italy last month banning chatgpt one of the martyrs for open ai because of the few woods over privacy. other concerns about the capabilities and unknown quantity with al, so regulation is key to this and it is something he said he's on with and he gave the senators some advice and top tips for regulation. he said, have an agency to look at el and assess its capabilities. the regulator would outline safety rules and el would have to comply with those rules in order to get approved. he also said he wanted independent auditors to be in place and not anyone involved in open ai but independent relators who would look and apply the test and ultimately make the decision as to whether the models are ready for mass consumption. that whether the models are ready for mass consumption.— mass consumption. that was our correspondent _
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mass consumption. that was our correspondent shiona _ mass consumption. that was our correspondent shiona mccallum. j one of the people testifying at the hearing before us congress was gary marcus, professor emeritus at new york university and ai specialist. i spoke to him shortly after he finished, and he outlined his concerns about the technology open it was started to try and do as much humanitarian work but it's not a commercial entity. we built this el a commercial entity. we built this ei and instead of using it for the maximum benefit for society it's a battle over how to use search engines which are unreliable themselves and defaming people up. that has also pushed google i had to relax their own safety standards for supper i don't think that's good for humanity. building this new technology we should focus on how it would help humanity and be careful about applications. we would help humanity and be careful about applications.— about applications. we had to interru -t about applications. we had to interrupt that _ about applications. we had to interrupt that because - about applications. we had to i interrupt that because president volodymyr zelensky is speaking and less listening to that.
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at 3am in the morning our people look up to explosions 18 russ and shows of different types were in our sky by the sick ones which are terror state has boasted about. we had thought such missiles would bring a guaranteed death because they are supposedly impossible to shut down. russia used by the stakes, cruise missiles launched at the same time, to make it especially difficult for our defence to save lives. but our lives were protected. all missiles were shut down including ballistic ones. 100%. this
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is a historical result. thank you all. russia is trying very hard to improve its ability to kill. we are trying very hard to improve the protection of our people. and i think all the countries and leaders to help us improve our air defence. altogether, we are showing what our 100% means and what the power of the free world means. and of course emma i think every of our soldiers who makes thejob done in our skies i think every of our soldiers who makes the job done in our skies and underlined, and especially, i think, each and everyone who trains our warriors in different missions. we are allsimilar in warriors in different missions. we are all similar in one point in success. thanks to all of them. thanks to all of you. one year ago,
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we were not able to sit down most of the terrorists missiles, especially ballistic ones. and i am asking know if we are able to do this now, is there anything we cannot do it we are united and determined to protect lives? the answer is that we in unity will give 100% in any field when we have a goal to protect our people and our europe. of course, there is still much to be done. ukraine's territory is big and to make results late last night the rule through the country we need additional air defence systems and missiles and we also need modern fighterjets missiles and we also need modern fighter jets without which missiles and we also need modern fighterjets without which no air defence systems will be perfect and i'm sure we will get there. 100% to
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be our benchmark. we must leave 0% to the aggressor. 100% of the successful defensive operations is guaranteed by weapons and training of our soldiers and i think everyone who strengthens our defence. 100% of success will send trends is guaranteed by honesty in every state policy and i am grateful to all those grab the fight against terror in this way, honestly. 100% success of our peaceful future is guaranteed by diplomacy and i thank everyone who tries tonight us. the only realistic piece line and of course 100% ofjustice. there'll be no
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related peace withoutjustice i think the of europe, each and everyone for the decision of registered damages caused by russia. this brings closer to a full—fledged mechanism and she was aware that russia's war is not world thinking about. there should also be a tribunal so that those who brought this terror would be brought to justice. and am sure we will bring these results to 100%. europe has been waiting for such times. times when leaders would act in 100% unity and with 100% results for the sake of protecting europe, for the sake of protecting europe, for the sake of our common values and finally, this is what we are achieving now.
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ukraine, all of europe, and everyone who is currently at the summits and who is currently at the summits and who helps us, we are europeans, so we are free, we are europeans, so we act as 100% of our strengths. when it comes to protecting our way of life. let this be forever the rules of our continent. thank you for support. glory to europe. you are listenin: support. glory to europe. you are listening thereto _ support. glory to europe. you are listening thereto the _ support. glory to europe. you are listening thereto the president. support. glory to europe. you are listening thereto the president of| listening thereto the president of ukraine for a lot zielinski, speaking at the port summits of the heads of state and government of the consul of europe on its shadows under the icelandic presidency. the meeting is being held in reykjavik
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in iceland and these leaders of 46 nations have come together to reaffirm their common commitment to the core values of the consul of europe and refocus its mission in light of new threats to human rights and democracy, and to further support ukraine. so, that was ukraine's president given the keynote speech there and we are expected to hear from the president of france as well as the german chancellor and the prime minister of the united kingdom. i'mjust chancellor and the prime minister of the united kingdom. i'm just being told we may be going back to that consul of europe leader summits because as i said, the president of france is about to speak the subkey is speaking now, let's seven listening. translation: , , translation: the summits held in these ears translation: the summits held in these years tell _ translation: the summits held in these years tell us _ translation: the summits held in these years tell us that _ translation: the summits held in these years tell us that today's - these years tell us that today's gathering is occurring at the tipping and turning point for our continent. i would like to thank the icelandic presidency for taking the
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initiative to hold the summits. thank you made and payments welcoming us in reykjavik at a crucial time when our efforts should be focused on maintaining what binds us together against a backdrop of notjust us together against a backdrop of not just geopolitical us together against a backdrop of notjust geopolitical but also technological and anthropological upheavals shaken the world today. i have come here today to express my belief shared by all all of you that our unit european concept of human is is not only necessary but is vibrant and strong.— is is not only necessary but is vibrant and strong. you're listening thereto the — vibrant and strong. you're listening thereto the beginnings _ vibrant and strong. you're listening thereto the beginnings of _ vibrant and strong. you're listening thereto the beginnings of the - thereto the beginnings of the statement by the president of france speaking at that summits of heads of state and government for the consul of europe in reykjavik. we will coming back to that summits and bringing you updates as the various leaders speak. as i said, we are also expecting to hear from the chancellor of germany, the prime minister of the united kingdom and the president of the european
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commission. as he said, using her therefrom president zelensky in the last few minutes about last night attack on the attack in kyiv. ukrainian officials have praised the anti—missile defence system which intercepted an intense barrage of russian rockets over the capital kyiv overnight. they say the system shot down six advanced russian hypersonic missiles, which president putin has claimed are "unstoppable". this footage shows kyiv�*s air defences in action. loud explosions were heard across the city, and at least three people were injured by the debris. in a tweet, ukraine's defence minister says: "another unbelievable success for the ukrainian air forces. last night, our sky defenders shot down six russian hypersonic kin—zhal missiles and 12 others". ukrainian officials have declined to comment on a claim by moscow that one missile got through air defences to destroy a us—built patriot surface—to—air defence system. the latest barrage came hours after president zelensky�*s tour of major european capitals, which yielded promises of billions of dollars�* worth
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of new military aid. security expert maria avdeeva, spoke to me from kyiv and explained what happened overnight. the explosion started at about 3 a.m. in the morning and a lot of people went back to their beds at about five a:m.. so it was happening for about two hours. but what is good is that the loud explosions that kept everyone awake and not only explosion in some areas, you could feel the air was moving and moving. they opened in the windows and the doors. so the loud explosions were caused by the exceptional work of ukrainian air defence, which downed so many russian missiles, including six kinzhal
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missiles, which putin is so proud of and which russia claims cannot be intercepted. yes, maria, i mean, no doubt ukrainian air defence systems were hard at work last night. but the russians have said that actually one got through. can you confirm that? well, i think that what we see now clearly is russian disinformation and propaganda, because they somehow try to show at least some success for russian population. there is no confirmation about this. we know that the debris of the fallen missiles hit some areas causing the damage and the fire, but all the missiles were shot down. this is stated clearly by the ukrainian general staff and i think that what russia is actually trying to achieve is to target and test ukrainian air defence. and one of the possible targets is the patriot anti air defense system itself,
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because it's a very big priority for russia. and they are clearly trying to find where it is and try to target. and that's why they are so very concerned about this. and that's from where russian disinformation and propaganda comes from. but what we are also seeing, certainly in the last month or so, is an escalation of attacks now on kyiv as as things move towards this spring offensive. absolutely. this was the eighth attack from the beginning of may and the most intense and dense attack i have ever experienced in kyiv. so the explosions were heard like every several seconds and we will probably see more of these attacks in the upcoming days and weeks because russia again is trying to counter and to put something against ukrainian
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counter offensive. and sadly this is something that the ukrainian people over the last year have have gotten all too used to. well, you cannot get used to the sounds of explosions waking you and your children in the middle of the night. this is something that causes stress every time it happens. of course, you used to live to continue living with this. but this is the constant threat that everyone in ukraine feels, because we have witnessed so many times how russian missiles made through and how they hit residential buildings. the last of these attacks happened in uman, taking the lives of more than 20 innocent civilians in their beds. that's why people keep awake when such attacks happens and everyone is praying forthe ukrainian air defense to do theirjob
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as perfectly as they can. that was a ukrainian security experts speaking to me therefrom kyiv. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. we do cooking club here every thursday, so we learn how to use knives and how to cook good, healthy and prepared meals. the teenagers are also taught how to plan nutritious meals and work to a budget. they're really trying to gain new skills notjust for themselves in their career, but skills that they can take back to the family unit in terms of cost savings and maybe looking at batch cooking rather than going out and spending a lot of money on one particular takeaway. they can help their families plan for the whole week and hopefully save some real money in doing so and have some fun cooking together. some, like 12—year—old bentley, are already helping out at home. if it's like a day of my mum who's
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had a hot, rough day, i'd be like, "just sit down, i'll cook a meal or something like that". leaders here say the cost of living is having a huge impact on mental health. it's also driving demand for services like the supper club, which they hope more young people can benefit from. you're live with bbc news authorities say professors of imran khan have been arrested. those who attacked army installations will be judged under special circumstances. imran khan has requested an investigation into the incident. he says as time progresses it seems like the law matters less and less
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in pakistan. i like the law matters less and less in pakistan-— in pakistan. i think if you are not to no in pakistan. i think if you are not to to far in pakistan. i think if you are not to go far back— in pakistan. i think if you are not to go far back one _ in pakistan. i think if you are not to go far back one might - in pakistan. i think if you are not to go far back one might say - in pakistan. i think if you are not| to go far back one might say that you couldn't ever expect that something that this would happen but at the same time i feel like this is not of the third time i've had the pleasure to be on your programme and i feel like every pleasure to be on your programme and ifeel like every time pleasure to be on your programme and i feel like every time on the law matters less and less. at this point in time. ~ ., �* matters less and less. at this point in time. ~ . �* , , ., in time. what we're seeing is that the law is continuing _ in time. what we're seeing is that the law is continuing to _ in time. what we're seeing is that the law is continuing to be - the law is continuing to be manipulated depending on who is in power and how they want to use it. exactly. well, i mean it, the question of who is in power is twofold. on the one hand there is in the background and on and did see of military intervention with different shades of it. punctuated by small islands of democracy. this latest phase posted 2013, picking up in 2018, we see this hybrid regime
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which is a symbiotic relationship between the military and civilian government and it is the pta government and it is the pta government itself which paraded this what it was in power. at this point in time, we are noticing the unraveling of that project, arguably wassup with that unraveling we are not only seen resentments and rage against the military that we have arguably not seen in recent history, at least wassup with that we are also beginning to see the military push back and the military has generally been quite good at maintaining a solution that is separate from but above other institutions in the legislature. but at this point in time the narrative are on the military and its intervention, imperfect as it might be, that narrative, it is no in relatively unprecedented territory where the military is being called
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out as you seen the scenes on your screen i have not been played out in a manner that we have seen in the past. as far as the law goes, the true centre of power remains the military and with this recent announcement that civilians are not to be tried in military courts under the pakistan army act, or the official secrets act, it doesn't come as much of a surprise. have we seen this kind — come as much of a surprise. have we seen this kind of _ come as much of a surprise. have we seen this kind of thing _ come as much of a surprise. have we seen this kind of thing before? - seen this kind of thing before? where civilians are going to be tried in a military court? we have. in 2015 in tried in a military court? we have. in 2015 in a _ tried in a military court? we have. in 2015 in a very — tried in a military court? we have. in 2015 in a very different - tried in a military court? we have. in 2015 in a very different context | in 2015 in a very different context which is after 144 people, mostly children, were murdered in a school in pakistan. after that, by way of a constitutional amendment, military courts were extended to apply to civilians as well. however that was
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for a period ranging from 2015 to 2019 and since then it's unclear what form of cover they would have for this. whether the two intent to amend the constitution again or interpreted in a manager that applies to civilians. the principle of law is quite clear on this not only in pakistan but the world over. as long as you have a civilian court is functioning, there is no place for military courts.— for military courts. that was a pakistani _ for military courts. that was a pakistani lawyer, _ for military courts. that was a pakistani lawyer, we - for military courts. that was a pakistani lawyer, we will- for military courts. that was a pakistani lawyer, we will be . for military courts. that was a i pakistani lawyer, we will be back for military courts. that was a - pakistani lawyer, we will be back in the next few minutes. we are watching the statements being made by global leaders wassup you can see there the chancellor of germany at there the chancellor of germany at the fourth summits of heads of state and governments of the consul of europe, which is being held in reykjavik in iceland. we also heard from the president of ukraine is the earlier as well as the president of france. we are expecting the prime minister of the united kingdom to
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make a statement in the next few minutes, and we will be bringing that you live, stay with us. hello there. the rest of the week still looking dry in many places and a bit warmer as well. today was a pleasant late spring day for many parts of the country where we saw some fair weather cloud like this and some warm spells of sunshine. we've got high pressure sitting close to the uk. that weather front brought down some cloud from the north and a few showers. also seeing this cloud coming in and that will bring some rain eventually tomorrow into northern scotland. we're seeing some rain today, some showers today in scotland. they've been moving their way southward together with that cloud, taking some showers for a while into northern ireland and northern england. those will linger into the evening, perhaps before decaying later in the night, leaving a legacy of cloud for some eastern parts of england. more cloud coming into the north west of scotland. so maybe not quite as chilly
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as it was last night. six, seven degrees quite widely, a little bit colder than that, perhaps in the north east of scotland. it will tend to turn more cloudy through the day in scotland, maybe in northern ireland, the sunshine turning hazy. and then we've got this rain into northern scotland in the afternoon. for england and wales we'll see the cloud bubbling up by the afternoon. there's a low risk of a shower for the southern half of the uk, but many places still going to be fine and dry warm warm when the sun is out. 18 degrees potentially in northern ireland. still on the cooler side i think for northern most parts of scotland where we've got that rain, that rain will peter out overnight and we continue to see this warmer air coming in from the atlantic, pushing away that colder air that we started the week with. but we're seeing some cloud coming in to the northwest. this is going to bring this band of rain into western scotland and northern ireland, head of that, some sunshine and maybe one or two showers more towards the south and southeast. but again, a lot of places will be dry and we're reaching 18 degrees more widely where we get
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the sunshine and high pressure and high pressure still close by as we head towards the end of the week. it's getting split into to a certain extent by that weather front, moving down to the northwest. and that will bring more cloud into england and wales on friday. maybe a few sharp showers as well, but not everywhere. the southeast still looks dry and following the cloud, we'll get more sunshine for scotland and northern ireland, giving temperatures a boost in the central belt of scotland. and we could reach 19 degrees perhaps in south wales and even into the weekend it looks quite promising. the showers are more likely in the far north of scotland. for many places it is going to be dry and temperatures could reach 20, 21 celsius in the sunshine.
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this is bbc news. the headlines... the rush to regulate artificial intelligence. the man behind chat—gpt testifies before the us congress. hundreds of afghan interpreters granted settlement status in the uk are left stranded in hotels in pakistan, some for over a year. as food prices soar in the uk, the prime minister meets industry leaders in downing street. a bbc investigation has uncovered a complex scam, isa
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