good morning, welcome to the nation's phone in. evictions: who's at fault? landlords will be banned from evicting tenants with no justification with this overhaul of the private sector, this applies to england. they have already banned them in scotland and northern ireland. the legislation in parliament today will see no—fault evictions abolished and will stop landlords banning those claiming benefits and also that people will benefits and also that people will be allowed to have pets as well. but will the road to rental reform be paved with unintended consequences?

more stringent tests, no—fault evictions, a higher bar, more difficult to rent? the legislation also means it will be easier to boot out those who are disruptive and display anti—social behaviour. how do you define anti—social behaviour? it is in the eye of the beholder or leaseholder? full on frantic fun filled family life. 11 million landlords, 2.5 million tenants. get in touch with us. the fundamental issue at the heart of people's lights, renter, landlord, room for everyone. evictions: who's at fault?.

and we have the news with bethan holmes. thank you, landlords will be banned from evicting tenants had no justification is part as a long promised overhaul of the private sector in england. new legislation will abolish so—called no—fault evictions. labour leader sir kier starmer says it's a step in the right direction — but says the underlying issue is that we need to build more houses. the business secretary — kemi badenoch — will meet the firm behind vauxhall today, after it urged the government to re—negotiate part of the brexit trade agreement. stellantis has warned of "significantjob losses" at its uk plants — without a change to the deal — because of import taxes. a government source says ms badenoch has already raised the issue in meetings with senior eu officials. the number of adults struggling to pay their bills and debts has soared to nearly 11 million. 3.1 million more people faced difficulties injanuary compared to may last year,

according to the financial conduct authority. and, deep sea mapping specialists have made a full—sized sd scan of the wreck of the titantic. it's hoped that previously unseen details will be revealed and it'll shed light on exactly how it sank. so, the renters reform bill. if you are a landlord and you are worried about getting rid of section 21 no—fault evictions, having to prove why someone should be evicted, maybe you have been stung by anti—social behaviour before, once bitten, twice shy. how do you feel about this? if you are a renter, do these reforms give you more confidence, more safety, more security? maybe something has gone wrong and you have been frightened to report it. maybe you have children or a pet and

have struggled to find an available property and you can't turn people down now according to this legislation if they are on benefits. that is another interesting benefit of this. all this applies to england. evictions, who is at fault? keir starmer has referred to the rental market as the wild west rental market as the wild west rental market. we are going to saddle up and get the heart of the country fuzzed up the good, the bad and the ugly. we want you to get in touch with us. we have the mp�*s panel at 11 o'clock and then at high noon, prime minister's questions. melissa york, assistant property editor at the times. good morning. and also coming up we have colin in south shields, helen in egham, christine in sutton. melissa, can you hear me 0k? christine in sutton. melissa, can you hear me ok? i christine in sutton. melissa, can you hear me 0k?— christine in sutton. melissa, can - you hear me 0k?_ what you hear me ok? i can, hello. what does this all — you hear me ok? i can, hello. what does this all mean _ you hear me ok? i can, hello. what does this all mean for— you hear me ok? i can, hello. what does this all mean for people - you hear me ok? i can, hello. what does this all mean for people on - does this all mean for people on both sides of the rental coin? weill. both sides of the rental coin? well, i su ose

both sides of the rental coin? well, i sunpose the _ both sides of the rental coin? well, i sunpose the big — both sides of the rental coin? well, i suppose the big kind _ both sides of the rental coin? well, i suppose the big kind of— both sides of the rental coin? -ii i suppose the big kind of headline thing is the scrapping of section 21, no—fault evictions. and the rest of them are kind ofjust fiddling around with protections which already exist, basically. so section 21 has become very controversial because basically the late james brokenshire in 2019, who as housing secretary then, said he was committed to getting rid of them. obviously we are four years on. it has been a long time coming. an essentially... sorry, go ahead. i thought you had stopped but you are in full flow and i would only have i did nothing, so carry on. so in full flow and i would only have i did nothing, so carry on.— in full flow and i would only have i did nothing, so carry on. so from a tenant's point _ did nothing, so carry on. so from a tenant's point of— did nothing, so carry on. so from a tenant's point of view, _ did nothing, so carry on. so from a tenant's point of view, it _ tenant's point of view, it contributes towards insecurity in their home because it means they don't have too have done anything and essentially their landlord can give them two months�* notice at the end of their tenancy and they are out. so some landlords have been using this if the tenant doesn�*t agree to a rent rise, so in order to get higher rent. other landlords

have been using it if there tenant has complained about the condition of the property. private rental properties are the worst condition in the country, as well. there are a quarter of them according to the national audit office that are in a non—decent condition. it means they are basically scared of being uprooted from their homes so they put up with these bad conditions because they know they can be evicted very easily. from a landlord�*s point of view, it means now they have to go through a court process in order to get there tenant out. so some of the grounds are called mandatory grounds under section eight which means the tenant has to have engaged in anti—social behaviour, basically not paid the rent or broken the terms of the tenancy agreement, and if that applies and the court automatically grants possession to the landlord, there are other grounds which are discretionary which means it is up to thejudge to discretionary which means it is up to the judge to decide. so now landlords, basically in the past, landlords, basically in the past,

landlords legally had grounds or just wanted to take possession of their property to sell it or live in it but they haven�*t gone through section eight because the court process has been laborious and so instead they have used section 21 because it is much quicker. so now basically that is what landlords are worried about, that it will be a more laborious process. loads in there, more laborious process. loads in there. thank— more laborious process. loads in there, thank you _ more laborious process. loads in there, thank you very _ more laborious process. loads in there, thank you very much - more laborious process. loads in i there, thank you very much indeed. i�*m excited to speak to the callers, lots coming in from all different angles. let me ask you, ok, the court process. who decides, what constitutes anti—social behaviour? it is, as i said earlier on, somewhat... it is a subjective thing, isn�*t it? also, who arbitrates and how long does it take to get to the court question mark because the courts are blocked, we have gridlock in the whole process there. so realistically, if somebody is being a real nuisance and a real trouble, how easy is it to sort it

out and get rid of them, how quickly can it happen?— can it happen? much less quickly with a section _ can it happen? much less quickly with a section 21 _ can it happen? much less quickly with a section 21 going. - can it happen? much less quickly with a section 21 going. but - with a section 21 going. but still... exactly, _ with a section 21 going. but still... exactly, exactly. - with a section 21 going. but - still... exactly, exactly. anyway, the definition _ still... exactly, exactly. anyway, the definition of— still... exactly, exactly. anyway, the definition of anti-social- the definition of anti—social behaviour is very vague, as you said. it could apply to children running around or pets or anything like that. essentially, what happens at the moment is it is within the grounds for eviction under section eight but there are mandatory anti—social behaviour where it is automatically applied for the judge. that is for extreme cases where a criminal offence has been committed or something like that. if your tenant is drug dealing or using your property for prostitution, it still quite easy for them, you put in a court order, putting they have committed a criminal offence and that should be relatively easy. it�*s where it�*s a bit more vague, if they are causing a nuisance to their neighbours or are very noisy or something like that, smoking all the

time and they are not meant to be. it is all that kind of stuff that makes it much more difficult. that is currently under discretionary grounds. at the moment that would go to a court and you might have to wait a year or to a court and you might have to waita year or18 to a court and you might have to wait a year or 18 months the way the courts currently are. it goes before a judge and they decide. you have to give them two in months�* notice as well. the reforms will reduce it to one month�*s notice to get the tenant out and hopefully make it a bit quicker but also it has expanded the definition of anti—social behaviour. so now the wording is, basically, it�*s any behaviour that is capable of leading to anti—social behaviour. that is kind of the new wording of it. of course, everyone is capable of anti—social behaviour. for it. of course, everyone is capable of anti-social behaviour. for sure. it is of anti-social behaviour. for sure. it is quite — of anti-social behaviour. for sure. it is quite a _ of anti-social behaviour. for sure. it is quite a woolly _ of anti-social behaviour. for sure. it is quite a woolly definition - of anti-social behaviour. for sure. it is quite a woolly definition but l it is quite a woolly definition but thatis it is quite a woolly definition but that is how they are going to expand the definition to make it easier for landlords to get people out for

that. some charities are really worried that basically domestic violence victims could be really hit by this because of course arguing and things like that could be defined by their neighbours as anti—social behaviour. aha, defined by their neighbours as anti-social behaviour.- defined by their neighbours as anti-social behaviour. a very good oint. as anti-social behaviour. a very good point- as i — anti-social behaviour. a very good point. as i said _ anti-social behaviour. a very good point. as i said earlier _ anti-social behaviour. a very good point. as i said earlier on, - anti-social behaviour. a very good point. as i said earlier on, wild - point. as i said earlier on, wild dogs, feral kids, soiled carpets, frantic fun filled family life or anti—social behaviour, we can investigate some of that. as you point out, it�*s pretty clear cut. as also point out, it might take a long time to get it sorted out. helen from south shields, helen egg, pristine in sutton, ross and sheffield. ross, do you want to go first and everyone else can join sheffield. ross, do you want to go first and everyone else canjoin in and we can have a civilised conversation. good morning, what do you think? i conversation. good morning, what do ou think? . . conversation. good morning, what do ou think? ., ., . ., , , ., you think? i am a chartered surveyor and one of— you think? i am a chartered surveyor and one of my _ you think? i am a chartered surveyor and one of my concerns _ you think? i am a chartered surveyor and one of my concerns about - you think? i am a chartered surveyor and one of my concerns about the i you think? i am a chartered surveyor i and one of my concerns about the new legislation— and one of my concerns about the new legislation is— and one of my concerns about the new legislation is the people who will be legislation is the people who will he most — legislation is the people who will be most affected are the landlords with one _ be most affected are the landlords with one or two properties. often they are — with one or two properties. often they are accidental landlords, they have inherited the property or it is

their_ have inherited the property or it is their first — have inherited the property or it is their first home and they moved in with a _ their first home and they moved in with a partner and they tend to not want _ with a partner and they tend to not want to— with a partner and they tend to not want to keep it for 20 years of investment, it isjust to rent it out to— investment, it isjust to rent it out to keep it from being empty and what they— out to keep it from being empty and what they want to do is they sell it on to— what they want to do is they sell it on to he _ what they want to do is they sell it on to be able to buy their family home _ on to be able to buy their family home going forward. what that will do is reduce the availability of rentats— do is reduce the availability of rentals to _ do is reduce the availability of rentals to those with multiple portfolios and corporate landlords. so the _ portfolios and corporate landlords. so the issue will be that will force rentai— so the issue will be that will force rental prices up. the other point i want _ rental prices up. the other point i want to— rental prices up. the other point i want to make quickly was the terms, things— want to make quickly was the terms, things like _ want to make quickly was the terms, things like pets and children and other— things like pets and children and other sort— things like pets and children and other sort of restrictions and people — other sort of restrictions and people with benefits, that is not always _ people with benefits, that is not always down to the landlord, that sometimes their mortgage provider. lots sometimes their mortgage provider. lots of— sometimes their mortgage provider. lots of mortgage providers don't allow— lots of mortgage providers don't allow for— lots of mortgage providers don't allow for people with benefits to be accepted _ allow for people with benefits to be accepted as tenants. pets is often things— accepted as tenants. pets is often things like — accepted as tenants. pets is often things like they management company for the _ things like they management company for the block of flats won't allow pets _ for the block of flats won't allow pets. then others will only allow people _ pets. then others will only allow

people over the age of 55 to live in properties — people over the age of 55 to live in properties. so it's not always the bil properties. so it's not always the big bad _ properties. so it's not always the big bad landlord that is making these — big bad landlord that is making these decisions. find big bad landlord that is making these decisions.— big bad landlord that is making these decisions. and the big bad landlords are _ these decisions. and the big bad landlords are few— these decisions. and the big bad landlords are few and _ these decisions. and the big bad landlords are few and far - these decisions. and the big bad i landlords are few and far between, these decisions. and the big bad - landlords are few and far between, i have to point that out. rogue landlords nightmare tenants, they are good tenants and good programmes but not reality, really, all of the time, most of the time. hat but not reality, really, all of the time, most of the time.- but not reality, really, all of the time, most of the time. not at all. and the extremes _ time, most of the time. not at all. and the extremes are _ time, most of the time. not at all. and the extremes are always - time, most of the time. not at all. and the extremes are always the l and the extremes are always the ones: _ and the extremes are always the ones. and — and the extremes are always the ones, and i've been in thousands of houses _ ones, and i've been in thousands of houses and — ones, and i've been in thousands of houses and some landlords are tickly -reat houses and some landlords are tickly great and _ houses and some landlords are tickly great and some tenants... but the vast majority, 90% plus are both get on really _ vast majority, 90% plus are both get on really well and we are getting more _ on really well and we are getting more and — on really well and we are getting more and more tenants buying their properties— more and more tenants buying their properties they are renting as well, because _ properties they are renting as well, because they have worked out their cost of _ because they have worked out their cost of mortgage even with the rates going _ cost of mortgage even with the rates going up. _ cost of mortgage even with the rates going up, it's cheaper to buy the house _ going up, it's cheaper to buy the house than— going up, it's cheaper to buy the house than to rent. so they can build _ house than to rent. so they can build up — house than to rent. so they can build up the deposit and there's other— build up the deposit and there's other schemes like shared ownership and rent _ other schemes like shared ownership and rent to— other schemes like shared ownership and rent to buy in these other things— and rent to buy in these other things that are trying to encourage

home _ things that are trying to encourage home ownership, which is still the ultimate _ home ownership, which is still the ultimate aim for most people renting _ ultimate aim for most people renting. they are not planning on renting _ renting. they are not planning on renting long term. there is a large proportion— renting long term. there is a large proportion who are renting to basically— proportion who are renting to basically move onto the housing ladder— basically move onto the housing ladder themselves.— basically move onto the housing ladder themselves. great, we are caettin ladder themselves. great, we are getting into _ ladder themselves. great, we are getting into the — ladder themselves. great, we are getting into the weeds _ ladder themselves. great, we are getting into the weeds here. - ladder themselves. great, we are getting into the weeds here. this| ladder themselves. great, we are i getting into the weeds here. this is fantastic. christine in sutton coming up, helen in egham, cahlon in south shields. lots of landlords getting in touch. christine, you were evicted, what happened? good morning. were evicted, what happened? good morninu. were evicted, what happened? good mornin., ., morning. good morning, we lived in the preperty — morning. good morning, we lived in the preperty for— morning. good morning, we lived in the preperty for 12 _ morning. good morning, we lived in the property for 12 years. _ morning. good morning, we lived in the property for 12 years. just - the property for 12 years. just before — the property for 12 years. just before christmas last, we got a letter _ before christmas last, we got a letter stating that the landlord was issuing _ letter stating that the landlord was issuing a _ letter stating that the landlord was issuing a section 21 and we had two months _ issuing a section 21 and we had two months it— issuing a section 21 and we had two months. it wasjust issuing a section 21 and we had two months. it was just devastating, absolutely devastating. we had never caused _ absolutely devastating. we had never caused any— absolutely devastating. we had never caused any problems. it's a row of ten properties and the landlord

owned — ten properties and the landlord owned all of them, owns all of them. what _ owned all of them, owns all of them. what she _ owned all of them, owns all of them. what she has done is she has evicted all of— what she has done is she has evicted all of us. _ what she has done is she has evicted all of us, renovated the properties and now— all of us, renovated the properties and now is— all of us, renovated the properties and now is letting them for an extortionate rent of £2000 a month. it extortionate rent of £2000 a month. it was _ extortionate rent of £2000 a month. it wasjust— extortionate rent of £2000 a month. it wasjust absolutely extortionate rent of £2000 a month. it was just absolutely awful. we were _ it was just absolutely awful. we were very, very lucky. we found a lovely _ were very, very lucky. we found a lovely letting agent which we found a very— lovely letting agent which we found a very lovely property through with a very lovely property through with a nice _ a very lovely property through with a nice landlord. we were the lucky few, a nice landlord. we were the lucky few. i_ a nice landlord. we were the lucky few. ithink~ — a nice landlord. we were the lucky few, ithink. we have been told a nice landlord. we were the lucky few, i think. we have been told that there _ few, i think. we have been told that there is— few, i think. we have been told that there is a _ few, i think. we have been told that there is a letting agent in the local— there is a letting agent in the local area that is putting prices up for letting — local area that is putting prices up for letting properties and that's what's — for letting properties and that's what's increasing the prices of rental— what's increasing the prices of rental properties in this area. and how was this _ rental properties in this area. fific how was this for your rental properties in this area. fific how was this for your elderly mother? incredibly stressful for everybody. it mother? incredibly stressful for everybody-— mother? incredibly stressful for eve bod. ,, ,, ., everybody. it was 'ust stressful for all of us, really. —

everybody. it was just stressful for all of us, really. it— everybody. it was just stressful for all of us, really. it wasn't - everybody. it was just stressful for all of us, really. it wasn't a - everybody. it was just stressful for all of us, really. it wasn't a nice i all of us, really. it wasn't a nice time _ all of us, really. it wasn't a nice time. �* . all of us, really. it wasn't a nice time. . ., , ., all of us, really. it wasn't a nice time. . ., i. ., time. and what did you say to the landlord? the _ time. and what did you say to the landlord? the landlord _ time. and what did you say to the landlord? the landlord wouldn't l time. and what did you say to the i landlord? the landlord wouldn't talk to us. landlord? the landlord wouldn't talk to us- every — landlord? the landlord wouldn't talk to us. every conversation _ landlord? the landlord wouldn't talk to us. every conversation had i landlord? the landlord wouldn't talk to us. every conversation had to i landlord? the landlord wouldn't talk to us. every conversation had to go| to us. every conversation had to go through— to us. every conversation had to go through the — to us. every conversation had to go through the letting agent. the letting — through the letting agent. the letting agent, they were, i can't fault _ letting agent, they were, i can't fault the — letting agent, they were, i can't fault the letting agent because every— fault the letting agent because every conversation i had with him, he apologised. he tried his hardest to get— he apologised. he tried his hardest to get her— he apologised. he tried his hardest to get her to agree to us staying there _ to get her to agree to us staying there at— to get her to agree to us staying there at an _ to get her to agree to us staying there at an increased rent, not the £2000 _ there at an increased rent, not the £2000 that— there at an increased rent, not the £2000 that she wanted because that wasjust— £2000 that she wanted because that wasjust out of £2000 that she wanted because that was just out of our reach. but she wouldn't — was just out of our reach. but she wouldn't listen. even the day i moved — wouldn't listen. even the day i moved out, when she came and checked the property— moved out, when she came and checked the property over, she wouldn't look me in— the property over, she wouldn't look me in the _ the property over, she wouldn't look me in the eye. she knew that what she was— me in the eye. she knew that what she was doing was well below the belt _ she was doing was well below the helt. so— she was doing was well below the belt. . ., . she was doing was well below the belt. , , ., ., , ., belt. so this legislation is for cases like — belt. so this legislation is for cases like this, _ belt. so this legislation is for cases like this, isn't - belt. so this legislation is for cases like this, isn't it? i

belt. so this legislation is for cases like this, isn't it? yes. | belt. so this legislation is for| cases like this, isn't it? yes. i fully agree — cases like this, isn't it? yes. i fully agree that _ cases like this, isn't it? yes. i fully agree that landlords i cases like this, isn't it? yes. i i fully agree that landlords need... they— fully agree that landlords need... they need — fully agree that landlords need... they need their rights. but a tenant. _ they need their rights. but a tenant. if— they need their rights. but a tenant, if you've been in a property for 12_ tenant, if you've been in a property for 12 years. — tenant, if you've been in a property for 12 years, never caused any problems. _ for 12 years, never caused any problems, neverasked for 12 years, never caused any problems, never asked for anything to he _ problems, never asked for anything to he done. — problems, never asked for anything to be done, the only thing she ever did was— to be done, the only thing she ever did was replaced the gas oven, the electric— did was replaced the gas oven, the electric oven twice. all the white goods— electric oven twice. all the white goods in— electric oven twice. all the white goods in the property were mine, so we didn't— goods in the property were mine, so we didn't ask for anything. we never asked _ we didn't ask for anything. we never asked for— we didn't ask for anything. we never asked for anything to be done in 12 years _ asked for anything to be done in 12 years we — asked for anything to be done in 12 years. we must have had some kind of rights _ years. we must have had some kind of rights and _ years. we must have had some kind of rights and to _ years. we must have had some kind of rights and tojust years. we must have had some kind of rights and to just suddenly get that letter. _ rights and to just suddenly get that letter. i_ rights and to just suddenly get that letter, i think it was at the beginning of december. it... december last year. christine, thank ou. we december last year. christine, thank you- we have _ december last year. christine, thank you. we have dave _ december last year. christine, thank you. we have dave in _ december last year. christine, thank you. we have dave in wigan... i december last year. christine, thank you. we have dave in wigan. .. we i december last year. christine, thank l you. we have dave in wigan... we can go with ina first. this is good.

ina, what do you think about the legislation?— legislation? hello, i've been rentin: legislation? hello, i've been renting houses, _ legislation? hello, i've been renting houses, residential. renting houses, residential lettings, the 25 years. i�*ve been to the houses of parliament twice and spoken to people in the ministry of housing and i have nothing but disdain for their ability to make decisions which are actually going to help tenants and landlords. landlords for more than 20 years have been treated like pariahs. they are always treated as a bad people. now we have a situation where interest rates have shot up, landlords�* mortgages have shot up. there is a 37% loss in residential lettings in the last 12 months, generated by many landlords selling their properties and another bone in their properties and another bone in the contention is properties are being turned over to airbnb and

those properties don�*t pay council tax, so councils are losing out because of that. but this latest legislation where landlords are going to be told that they have to have people on benefits and they have people on benefits and they have to do have people with dogs is going to be a catastrophe. lasting have to do have people with dogs is going to be a catastrophe.— going to be a catastrophe. why is that and i going to be a catastrophe. why is that and | don't _ going to be a catastrophe. why is that and i don't say _ going to be a catastrophe. why is that and i don't say it _ going to be a catastrophe. why is that and i don't say it rightly. i that and i don�*t say it rightly. people benefits, people with pets... i have rented my own property. i am not anti—dog. i know your dog, my dog is by my feet in my office, but if you are a landlord and you don�*t want dogs in your brand—new refurbished house, why should somebody in westminster tell you that you have to have a dog in your house when you have just redecorated it and put new carpets down? and they brought in legislation where you couldn�*t take an extra deposit to cover damage. we have this all

the time. we do rent to people who have animals in suitable properties that people say, look, we will give you doubled the deposit. legally, we can�*t take that. it�*s against the law to take more than five weeks deposit and all these people have done, and i promise you this and landlords listening i�*m sure will agree, more and more and more houses are going to be sold and lost to the residential letting market and the consequence of that is rents will go up. they are already going through the roof. ., , the roof. ena, iwill bring in another— the roof. ena, iwill bring in another landlord _ the roof. ena, iwill bring in another landlord after i the roof. ena, iwill bring in another landlord after this. | the roof. ena, i will bring in i another landlord after this. you the roof. ena, i will bring in - another landlord after this. you can comment on this as well, colin. good morning! ena, let mejust ask you, what is anti—social behaviour? weill. what is anti-social behaviour? well, anti-social behaviour, _ what is anti-social behaviour? well, anti-social behaviour, to _ what is anti-social behaviour? well, anti-social behaviour, to be - anti—social behaviour, to be perfectly honest with you, in 25 years, we�*ve only ever had one tenant that behaved and to socially

and that was because he was selling drugs. —— behaved anti—social. selling drugs from the flat he lived in. the police arrived, smashed the front door to the building down and arrested him for selling drugs. that would be anti—social behaviour. that is the only experience we have ever had of anti—social behaviour. what had of anti-social behaviour. what about you. — had of anti-social behaviour. what about you, colin, _ had of anti-social behaviour. what about you, colin, can _ had of anti-social behaviour. what about you, colin, can you - had of anti—social behaviour. what about you, colin, can you define it? some people are worried there are grey areas here, you are a landlord. yes, i am. grey areas here, you are a landlord. yes, iam. south grey areas here, you are a landlord. yes, i am. south tyneside. grey areas here, you are a landlord. yes, iam. south tyneside. i have yes, lam. south tyneside. i have had yes, iam. south tyneside. i have had flats— yes, lam. south tyneside. i have had flats really, really trashed. i've had flats really, really trashed. i've put— had flats really, really trashed. i've put photographs on facebook and people _ i've put photographs on facebook and people come back gobsmacked with how anybody _ people come back gobsmacked with how anybody can live like that.— anybody can live like that. martin, sta here, anybody can live like that. martin, stay here. i _ anybody can live like that. martin, stay here, i have _ anybody can live like that. martin, stay here, i have a _ anybody can live like that. martin, stay here, i have a contract i anybody can live like that. martin, stay here, i have a contract is i anybody can live like that. martin, stay here, i have a contract is up i stay here, i have a contract is up the road. i stay here, i have a contract is up the road. ., ., . ., the road. i love that! we are caettin the road. i love that! we are getting a _ the road. i love that! we are getting a further— the road. i love that! we are getting a further view - the road. i love that! we are getting a further view into i the road. i love that! we are. getting a further view into the the road. i love that! we are i getting a further view into the life of ena. ., .., , ., getting a further view into the life of ena. ., i. �* getting a further view into the life ofena. ., i. �* , of ena. colin, carry on. i've been doin: of ena. colin, carry on. i've been doing this _ of ena. colin, carry on. i've been doing this 35 _ of ena. colin, carry on. i've been doing this 35 years, _ of ena. colin, carry on. i've been doing this 35 years, full - of ena. colin, carry on. i've been doing this 35 years, full time i of ena. colin, carry on. i've been. doing this 35 years, full time from 1990 _ doing this 35 years, full time from 1990 i_ doing this 35 years, full time from 1990. i have lots of properties. i'm

of a time _ 1990. i have lots of properties. i'm of a time and age, i have nine left and i_ of a time and age, i have nine left and i get — of a time and age, i have nine left and i get more horrified as this goes _ and i get more horrified as this goes on — and i get more horrified as this goes on. i'm actually anxious today with this _ goes on. i'm actually anxious today with this going on. there is no... inaudible — inaudible a private rental home provider has to stay— a private rental home provider has to stay in— a private rental home provider has to stay in the property business. when _ to stay in the property business. when someone moves into a flat or any property, they sign, read it first— any property, they sign, read it first and — any property, they sign, read it first and then sign a six month assured — first and then sign a six month assured short order tenancy. anybody would _ assured short order tenancy. anybody would think— assured short order tenancy. anybody would think there you go, you have this property for six months. the fact that — this property for six months. the fact that after six months, a periodic— fact that after six months, a periodic tenancy, the same tenants continue. _ periodic tenancy, the same tenants continue, the person who owns the property— continue, the person who owns the property and has a mortgage, usually about— property and has a mortgage, usually about 60% _ property and has a mortgage, usually about 60% borrowed, at some point he has to— about 60% borrowed, at some point he has to say. _ about 60% borrowed, at some point he has to say. at _ about 60% borrowed, at some point he has to say, at what point do i want to do— has to say, at what point do i want to do less? — has to say, at what point do i want to do less? i— has to say, at what point do i want to do less? i don't want to give the

responsibility of nine properties with social tenants in to my dependence. so at some point i have to do— dependence. so at some point i have to do this _ dependence. so at some point i have to do this. the section 21 today, i have _ to do this. the section 21 today, i have to _ to do this. the section 21 today, i have to get —— rid of one or two properties— have to get —— rid of one or two properties to sort my out. i run the... _ properties to sort my out. i run the... ., ., i. properties to sort my out. i run the... ., ., , properties to sort my out. i run the... ., ., ., the... hang on, you wish you had section 21 — the... hang on, you wish you had section 21 today _ the... hang on, you wish you had section 21 today for _ the... hang on, you wish you had section 21 today for a _ the... hang on, you wish you had section 21 today for a kind - the... hang on, you wish you had section 21 today for a kind of i section 21 today for a kind of procedural reasons, practical reasons? what about the people that live there? . . reasons? what about the people that live there? ., , ., ., , live there? years ago when they moved in. _ live there? years ago when they moved in. they _ live there? years ago when they moved in, they signed _ live there? years ago when they moved in, they signed a - live there? years ago when they moved in, they signed a six i live there? years ago when they i moved in, they signed a six month assured _ moved in, they signed a six month assured short tenancy. i agreed that they could _ assured short tenancy. i agreed that they could stay there for six months and they— they could stay there for six months and they agreed they would stay there _ and they agreed they would stay there for— and they agreed they would stay there for six months. they have now been _ there for six months. they have now been there _ there for six months. they have now been there for four years. if they si-n been there for four years. if they sign the — been there for four years. if they sign the tenancy agreement and it says they— sign the tenancy agreement and it says they are there for ten years and i_ says they are there for ten years and i sign — says they are there for ten years and i sign and they sign, absolutely fine. and i sign and they sign, absolutely fine they— and i sign and they sign, absolutely fine. they are there for ten years. but they— fine. they are there for ten years. but they signed for six months. you don't _ but they signed for six months. you don't stay— but they signed for six months. you don't stay at — but they signed for six months. you don't stay at butlins for two weeks and they _ don't stay at butlins for two weeks and they i— don't stay at butlins for two weeks and they i like it here, i think i

will stay — and they i like it here, i think i will stay. go to majorca and say i like this— will stay. go to majorca and say i like this apartment, i think i will stay _ like this apartment, i think i will sta . . . like this apartment, i think i will sta . . like this apartment, i think i will sta . , ., like this apartment, i think i will sta . , , ., ., ., like this apartment, i think i will sta. , ., ., ., like this apartment, i think i will sta. ., ., ., ., stay. this is a home not holiday, do the want stay. this is a home not holiday, do they want to — stay. this is a home not holiday, do they want to stay? _ stay. this is a home not holiday, do they want to stay? my _ stay. this is a home not holiday, do they want to stay? my tenants i stay. this is a home not holiday, do they want to stay? my tenants are i they want to stay? my tenants are all social tenants. _ they want to stay? my tenants are all social tenants. so _ they want to stay? my tenants are all socialtenants. so i _ they want to stay? my tenants are all social tenants. so i get - they want to stay? my tenants are all social tenants. so i get paid i they want to stay? my tenants are all socialtenants. so i get paid by| all social tenants. so i get paid by the government, what is called a local— the government, what is called a local housing allowance, which is now about — local housing allowance, which is now about ten years old. so the rent i now about ten years old. so the rent | -et now about ten years old. so the rent i get is _ now about ten years old. so the rent i get is the _ now about ten years old. so the rent i get is the same rent that the government paid ten years ago. i never— government paid ten years ago. i never put — government paid ten years ago. i never put it— government paid ten years ago. i never put it up because people are on benefits — never put it up because people are on benefits and don't have any money — on benefits and don't have any money. they are run 60 or 70 quid a week _ money. they are run 60 or 70 quid a week i_ money. they are run 60 or 70 quid a week ican't— money. they are run 60 or 70 quid a week. i can't knock on the door and ask week. ican't knock on the door and ask for— week. i can't knock on the door and ask for a _ week. i can't knock on the door and ask for a magic top up that's mentioned sometimes, i can't do that _ mentioned sometimes, i can't do that so — mentioned sometimes, i can't do that so i — mentioned sometimes, i can't do that. so i am in a situation now with— that. so i am in a situation now with one — that. so i am in a situation now with one property, i am that. so i am in a situation now with one property, lam now that. so i am in a situation now with one property, i am now paying 9% mortgage, 9% interest, i get £425 rent and _ 9% mortgage, 9% interest, i get £425 rent and i— 9% mortgage, 9% interest, i get £425 rent and i now have to pay yorkshire bank— rent and i now have to pay yorkshire bank £260 _ rent and i now have to pay yorkshire bank £260 a — rent and i now have to pay yorkshire bank £260 a month. so by the time a boiler— bank £260 a month. so by the time a boiler goes _ bank £260 a month. so by the time a boiler goes in, that... how bank £260 a month. so by the time a boiler goes in, that. . ._ boiler goes in, that... how many properties _ boiler goes in, that... how many properties have _ boiler goes in, that... how many properties have you _ boiler goes in, that... how many

properties have you got? - boiler goes in, that. .. how many properties have you got? i i boiler goes in, that... how many properties have you got? i have l boiler goes in, that... how many i properties have you got? i have nine now, i properties have you got? i have nine now. i have — properties have you got? i have nine now, i have nine. _ properties have you got? i have nine now, i have nine. and _ properties have you got? i have nine now, i have nine. and i'm _ properties have you got? i have nine now, i have nine. and i'm well- properties have you got? i have nine now, i have nine. and i'm well past. now, i have nine. and i'm well past retirement— now, i have nine. and i'm well past retirement age. at some point, i have _ retirement age. at some point, i have to _ retirement age. at some point, i have to start selling to sort my estate — have to start selling to sort my estate out. i have a colleague, a schoolteacher, i was a marine engineer. _ schoolteacher, i was a marine engineer, he is the same as me. he hasa— engineer, he is the same as me. he has a portfolio of about 50 properties. he is 78 now and he couldn't— properties. he is 78 now and he couldn't get rid of them because he had lots _ couldn't get rid of them because he had lots of— couldn't get rid of them because he had lots of debt with yorkshire bank — had lots of debt with yorkshire bank. but now he is at a point where he wants— bank. but now he is at a point where he wants to — bank. but now he is at a point where he wants to sort his affairs out. he has social— he wants to sort his affairs out. he has social tenants, too. so what can we do? _ has social tenants, too. so what can we do? if— has social tenants, too. so what can we do? if you — has social tenants, too. so what can we do? if you tell a landlord that you go— we do? if you tell a landlord that you go into — we do? if you tell a landlord that you go into the buy to let market, which _ you go into the buy to let market, which some — you go into the buy to let market, which some people think of as a pension. — which some people think of as a pension. i— which some people think of as a pension, i will hang on and then it will be _ pension, ! will hang on and then it will be my— pension, i will hang on and then it will be my pension. then you think i would _ will be my pension. then you think i would think— will be my pension. then you think i would think i— will be my pension. then you think i would think i would rather go with premium — would think i would rather go with premium bonds now or by bitcoin. someone — premium bonds now or by bitcoin. someone says, you can't do that, what _ someone says, you can't do that, what about— someone says, you can't do that, what about your tenant? it is not the landlord's responsibility to build _ the landlord's responsibility to build social housing. tyneside

council— build social housing. tyneside council sell private land, they own land. _ council sell private land, they own land. there — council sell private land, they own land, there is not one social house bill in _ land, there is not one social house bill in a _ land, there is not one social house bill in a lot— land, there is not one social house bill in a lot of houses that south tyneside — bill in a lot of houses that south tyneside own the land.- tyneside own the land. loads in there, tyneside own the land. loads in there. really — tyneside own the land. loads in there, really appreciate - tyneside own the land. loads in there, really appreciate it. i tyneside own the land. loads in. there, really appreciate it. really interesting stuff about section 21. i want to stick with section 21 and speak to someone who has been on the wrong side of it, he would say, dave in wigan. good morning and welcome. welcome to the nation�*s phone in, lifelong renter, tell us more, what happened? lifelong renter, tell us more, what ha ened? . lifelong renter, tell us more, what ha--ened? , . lifelong renter, tell us more, what ha ened? , ., , happened? yes, i have been renting all of my life- _ happened? yes, i have been renting all of my life. it's _ happened? yes, i have been renting all of my life. it'sjust _ happened? yes, i have been renting all of my life. it'sjust the _ happened? yes, i have been renting all of my life. it's just the way i all of my life. it�*s just the way that life has worked out for me. i�*ve recently moved, november last year, to where i am now, which is a two bedroom house, which is beautiful. i love it, the landlord is amazing. prior to that, i was living in a one—bedroom flat, never owed a penny on rent and i still don�*t. i never owed any rent. then

someone moved in the street who decided that they didn�*t like my sexuality. it all came to a head when they were spitting in my face. then... that was then and that was done. the answer to it was the landlord serving me with a section 21, after ten years. now when i moved in that place, it was a dump. it was the only place i could find. it was the only place i could find. i spent money on it over the years and it was lovely. the garden was gorgeous when i�*d finished with it, lovely. but then itjust goes to show that they have or they had their section 21 and the easy option was moved, dave. there is no come back from that. so it has sort of done me a favour really, in the sense that where i am living now is beautiful and i moved to an amazing

place. beautiful and i moved to an amazing lace. ., ., ., ., ,., place. you have landed on your feet. i have place. you have landed on your feet. i have actually. _ place. you have landed on your feet. i have actually, as _ place. you have landed on your feet. i have actually, as it _ place. you have landed on your feet. i have actually, as it happens. i place. you have landed on your feet. i have actually, as it happens. this i i have actually, as it happens. this is the first time i have a house with a front garden and a back garden. it�*s lovely. it is more expensive but there you go. but it just goes to show that this section 21, it really does... you have no security, none. 50 21, it really does... you have no security, none.— 21, it really does... you have no security, none. so you welcome this legislation? — security, none. so you welcome this legislation? that _ security, none. so you welcome this legislation? that is _ security, none. so you welcome this legislation? that is interesting. i legislation? that is interesting. another section 21, joanne in northampton. getting as many voices on as we can but so many people are getting in touch with us on this. hello, joanne, good morning to you. good morning, thank you for having me on _ good morning, thank you for having me on. it�*s — good morning, thank you for having me on. �* . . good morning, thank you for having meon. , ., me on. it's a huge pleasure, section 21, what me on. it's a huge pleasure, section 21. what do — me on. it's a huge pleasure, section 21. what do you _ me on. it's a huge pleasure, section 21, what do you want _ me on. it's a huge pleasure, section 21, what do you want to _ me on. it's a huge pleasure, section 21, what do you want to say? - me on. it's a huge pleasure, section 21, what do you want to say? yes, i 21, what do you want to say? yes, es. 21, what do you want to say? yes, yes. unfortunately, _ 21, what do you want to say? yes, yes. unfortunately, i— 21, what do you want to say? yes, yes. unfortunately, i am- 21, what do you want to say? yes, yes. unfortunately, i am going i yes. unfortunately, iam going through— yes. unfortunately, lam going through that process. i have been for the _ through that process. i have been for the last— through that process. i have been for the last few months. a bit of a back— for the last few months. a bit of a back story — for the last few months. a bit of a back story. myself and my partner,

relationship broke up in covid. he was selling — relationship broke up in covid. he was selling the house, it was his house _ was selling the house, it was his house i— was selling the house, it was his house. i put something on social media. _ house. i put something on social media. just _ house. i put something on social media, just to say does anybody know anybody _ media, just to say does anybody know anybody who is renting property? somebody got in touch with me, an old school— somebody got in touch with me, an old school friend. we had a chat, it was a _ old school friend. we had a chat, it was a case — old school friend. we had a chat, it was a case of — old school friend. we had a chat, it was a case of yes, you're forever home _ was a case of yes, you're forever home and — was a case of yes, you're forever home. and mate rates and what have you. home. and mate rates and what have you my— home. and mate rates and what have you. my daughter has down syndrome and she _ you. my daughter has down syndrome and she has— you. my daughter has down syndrome and she has epilepsy and it is quite severe _ and she has epilepsy and it is quite severe epilepsy. she is on a lot of medication — severe epilepsy. she is on a lot of medication and there are lots of triggers — medication and there are lots of triggers i— medication and there are lots of triggers. i am on the pathway of a diagnosis — triggers. i am on the pathway of a diagnosis at the age of 54 of adhd. and then _ diagnosis at the age of 54 of adhd. and then basically we moved into the property _ and then basically we moved into the property. what i wasn't told straightaway it was there was a lot of work— straightaway it was there was a lot of work that needed doing to the property — of work that needed doing to the property. so we were there, a lot of disruption _ property. so we were there, a lot of disruption and the landlord wanted

to come _ disruption and the landlord wanted to come round every week. we couldn't— to come round every week. we couldn't relax. i finally sort of stood — couldn't relax. i finally sort of stood up _ couldn't relax. i finally sort of stood up to them and said, you need to go— stood up to them and said, you need to go through the letting agents to -ive to go through the letting agents to give us _ to go through the letting agents to give us notice that you are coming around _ give us notice that you are coming around it— give us notice that you are coming around it is— give us notice that you are coming around. it is too stressful for my daughter— around. it is too stressful for my daughter and for me, and within three. _ daughter and for me, and within three, four... section 21 no blame order— three, four... section 21 no blame order was— three, four... section 21 no blame order was presented to me. we are now at— order was presented to me. we are now at the — order was presented to me. we are now at the position where i was told. _ now at the position where i was told. i— now at the position where i was told. i had _ now at the position where i was told, i had a phone call a couple of days ago— told, i had a phone call a couple of days ago via — told, i had a phone call a couple of days ago via a department within council— days ago via a department within council that we will have to go into emergency— council that we will have to go into emergency accommodation because there is— emergency accommodation because there is nowhere us at the moment. the emergency accommodation will be a hotet _ the emergency accommodation will be a hotel. there will be no cooking facilities. — a hotel. there will be no cooking facilities, there will be no washing facilities — facilities, there will be no washing facilities. my daughter can go through— facilities. my daughter can go through three outfits a day because she has— through three outfits a day because she has incontinence with her

epilepsy. _ she has incontinence with her epilepsy. i was told to get rid of my pets — epilepsy. i was told to get rid of my pets that i have had ten, 12 years _ my pets that i have had ten, 12 years and — my pets that i have had ten, 12 years and it's been very emotional, stressfut _ years and it's been very emotional, stressful. we went to court, we found _ stressful. we went to court, we found a — stressful. we went to court, we found a way that an application to put through to the court to try to suspend — put through to the court to try to suspend the eviction, which cost me 5250 _ i presented a statement seven pages lon-, i presented a statement seven pages long. the — i presented a statement seven pages long, the landlord was present and he found _ long, the landlord was present and he found it — long, the landlord was present and he found it quite amusing, to which the magistrates really give him a good _ the magistrates really give him a good telling off. i the magistrates really give him a good telling off.— good telling off. i mean, this is awful for you — good telling off. i mean, this is awful for you and _ good telling off. i mean, this is awful for you and the _ good telling off. i mean, this is awful for you and the family. i awful for you and the family. without getting into the details of it all, you have given us a powerful broad brush here. basically, it has been hell for you, this.— broad brush here. basically, it has been hell for you, this. yes. it has 'ust been been hell for you, this. yes. it has just been a — been hell foryou, this. yes it has just been a nightmare been hell foryou, this. iezs it has just been a nightmare for been hell foryou, this. i2; it has just been a nightmare for you, this.

my just been a nightmare for you, this. my own mental health, i am now under the nhs for my mental health, i am going through the pathway of diagnosis for adhd, i'm going through the pathway of diagnosis foradhd, i'm really struggling, i am diagnosis foradhd, i'm really struggling, lam really diagnosis foradhd, i'm really struggling, i am really struggling because it is not my future, my daughter's future is in the hands of the council. i have no control over my life at the moment. the bailiff, there is a bale of�*s date and that is why the magistrate said they could not change anything because there is a bailiff�*s date already. listen, i'm going to throw some of this to melissa, our expert, the assistant property expert at the towns. —— the times. i can understand why you're so fired up about this and i want to thank you and other collars for calling on about this. melissa, this legislation is surely for like

joanne? legislation is surely for like joanne? ~ , , . joanne? absolutely. the private rented sector, _ joanne? absolutely. the private rented sector, the _ joanne? absolutely. the private rented sector, the number- joanne? absolutely. the private rented sector, the number of i joanne? absolutely. the private - rented sector, the number of tenants has doubled within kind of the last 15 years. so from kind of a political point of view, apart from being from humanity the point of view obviously, people like her obviously are in great distress and need to be helped, but quite apart from that, politically is a smart move. there are more private renters than ever, they tend to be younger voters, but not always. 50 you can definitely see why politicians want to be able to make an offer to those people that would make a real tangible difference to their lives. put interesting insights from landlords as well. i'm looking at the text console here, hundreds of them. let me do a couple then we will have the news and sport and be right back on this. the mps panel coming up at ten o'clock, you may

want to ask them about this or anything else. joanne from northampton works for a local authority housing regime and comes across erections every day, tenants don't have anywhere to go. i don't want to call in case my landlord years, i'm sick of hearing landers that think they are victims, staying with my parents was not an option following uni and every month i'd be happy with my salary on rent, no way to start a working life, i'll never be able to afford a home at this rate and is tenants you feel anxious to us for repairs when things are broken, you don't want to rock the boat. every year my rent has gone up more than my salary, renting is bleak, i envy anyone with their own property let alone people to that and let one out. landlords went and whinge, if it so hard i'd happily take a property of their hands, if they don't like it, sell up. not signing my namejust in case. a lot

of caricatures coming through, which i'm sure, i know in most cases are not fair. let me do one more for you. tenants are much better protected in scotland, the english system is weighted to far towards landlords, and we landlord or property in scotland living in england. we are also hearing a lot from landlords this morning. get in touch. landlords in england will be banned from evicting tenants with no justification. the government's shake—up of the private rental sector will also strengthen the right for landlords to repossess properties from anti—social tenants. labour leader sir kier starmer says it's a step in the right direction — but says the underlying issue is that we need to build more houses.

the business secretary — kemi badenoch — is meeting the firm behind vauxhall, peugeot, citroen and fiat later — after the company urged the government to re—negotiate part of the brexit trade agreement — to avoid job losses in the uk. stell—antis says from next year it'll face eu import taxes on electric cars. the number of people struggling to pay their bills and debts has risen by nearly a0%. the financial conduct authority says around 11 million people were having difficulties injanuary —compared withjust under 8 million in may last year.ministers have announced that single bus fares in parts of england outside of london will continue to be limited to two—pounds until the end of october. the cap was due to be lifted at the end ofjune. manchester city manager pep guardiola says his "legacy is exceptional" ahead of his side's

huge cl sf 2nd leg against 14 time champions real madrid — he added "i've been here many times" which you cant argue against — he's won the top european prize twice with barca, and taken city to the final before — it's 1—1 after the first leg — commentary later here on 5live. inter milan are already through to the final onjune 10th in istanbul — they beat local rivals ac milan 3—0 on aggregate. luton town boss rob edwards says it was really special to secure a spot in the championship playoff final in front of their home fans — they overturned sunderland's ist leg advantge to win 3—2 on aggregagte and are nowjust a win away from a place in the pl. tonight middlesbrough take on coventry and geraint thomas has a two second overall lead as he retained the leader's jersey at the giro d'italia — denmark's magnus cort won stage 10 in a sprint finish.

mps at ten o'clock answering your questions. the former secretary of state for northern ireland, currently conservative mp for chipping barnet, also at defra as well and was a real minister will stop helen hayes, labour mp for dulwich in west norwood, shadow children in early years minister. and the treasury and business

spokesman for the party. on the agenda, renting, housing, immigration, brexit, stats, cheese languages. —— shadow children and early years minister sarah olney — liberal democrat mp for richmond park. and anything else you want to ask, so get your questions in now. loads of texts from renters were also landlords and just for the sake of that balance, is a former landlord who was taken to the brink of bankruptcy by a rope tenant, reform is desperately needed, regulation has waited in tenants

feature. after 16 months of nonpayment of rent and ignoring a court order, i had to pay to have her physically removed. that comes fromjim. pauland burnley, 20 her physically removed. that comes fromjim. paul and burnley, 20 years experience managing 20 plus properties. good morning, all. paul, what happened to your son? goad what happened to your son? good mornin. what happened to your son? good morning- my _ what happened to your son? good morning- my son _ what happened to your son? good morning. my son is _ what happened to your son? good morning. my son is 19 _ what happened to your son? good morning. my son is 19 and - what happened to your son? (13222 morning. my son is 19 and he decided to strike out on his own before he was 18, he was working full—time and he had no issues getting a flat. he actually lost his job after suffering an injury at work, and pretty much immediately the landlady was on his case all the time for money. they made complaints because

windows weren't safe, missing smoke alarms, the landlady was not interested. my son came home from doing two days work to find the lady had been into this property, she had sell it out the section 21 no fault eviction notice to the back of his door, had rummaged around his bedroom, things had all been moved, my son was visibly upset. she bedroom, things had all been moved, my son was visibly upset.— my son was visibly upset. she came into the preperty — my son was visibly upset. she came into the property without _ into the property without permission?— into the property without permission? into the property without ermission? , ,, ., ., permission? yes. she did not ask for permission- — permission? yes. she did not ask for permission. she _ permission? yes. she did not ask for permission. she did _ permission? yes. she did not ask for permission. she did not _ permission? yes. she did not ask for permission. she did not leave - permission? yes. she did not ask for permission. she did not leave any i permission. she did not leave any notice or written permissions. my son was unaware. he actually thought he had been burgled. it was only when he realised the notice was on the door that the landlady had been in. speaking to a separate tenant, that tenant had been there for 12 years and she had also entered his rooms is left the eviction notice,

which completely through everybody because there was no reason for it. they'd just raised issues with broken windows, faulty smoke alarms, and instantly, rather than fix any problem, it wasjust and instantly, rather than fix any problem, it was just get out. unfortunately, at 19, the council have said you must be homeless before we can help and when he has gone for help they can do anything, they don't have properties that they can make available. the lady that was on earlier that's been offered accommodation in hotel, that's unfortunately what some people are being offered and my son is sofa surfing because we can't do anything, i can give him the balance, i anything, i can give him the balance, lam anything, i can give him the balance, i am on disability benefits, he cannot get the born free property because he is currently claiming benefits because he cannot get a job. it is like a

never—ending circle. i he cannot get a job. it is like a never-ending circle.— he cannot get a job. it is like a never-ending circle. i heard at the beginning. — never-ending circle. i heard at the beginning, talking _ never-ending circle. i heard at the beginning, talking about _ never-ending circle. i heard at the beginning, talking about the - beginning, talking about the enforced injury, the illegal entry. that's illegal, what happened? goad that's illegal, what happened? good mornin. that's illegal, what happened? good morning- yes. _ that's illegal, what happened? good morning. yes, it _ that's illegal, what happened? good morning. yes, it is _ that's illegal, what happened? good morning. yes, it is illegal. they can1— morning. yes, it is illegal. they can'tiust— morning. yes, it is illegal. they can'tjust basically morning. yes, it is illegal. they can't just basically make morning. yes, it is illegal. they can'tjust basically make their way into a _ can'tjust basically make their way into a property without giving the proper— into a property without giving the proper notice the tenant. and there is another think _ proper notice the tenant. and there is another think you're _ proper notice the tenant. and there is another think you're worth - is another think you're worth mentioning, i'm sure this might be the situation with your son, it is difficult for people to know what their rights are. one of the things in this legislation is going to be a new property portal, introduce, which is going to clarify that you can know exactly the dos and don'ts on the rights and the wrongs. and also they are going to appoint an ombudsman who has the potential to make it much harderfor criminal landlords to operate. so all that would help somebody like your son, as well. did you did he think about

going to the police about that? at going to the police about that? git the time we've actually had to look through legislation to find out what was correct in what wasn't. it is only recently we found out that you must give either written permission, verbal permission, the tenant should be there when you make entry. if we went to the police and said this is what has happened, the landladyjust turned around and says she is perfectly within her rights to make entry and we can't prove any different. if she says i left a letter, who is to say she did or didn't? because we can't produce a letter because she didn't leave one, she can't produce any proof that she left a letter, so the police always take the landlord's site. {lita left a letter, so the police always take the landlord's site. ok, then ou are take the landlord's site. ok, then you are any _ take the landlord's site. ok, then you are any legal _ take the landlord's site. ok, then you are any legal quagmire. - take the landlord's site. ok, then you are any legal quagmire. here j take the landlord's site. ok, then l you are any legal quagmire. here is a landlord, what do you think of this? i a landlord, what do you think of this? ., ,., ., .,

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other. i'm a landlord, i've got bad. tenants and i'm not a bad landlord. i want _ tenants and i'm not a bad landlord. i want everything _ tenants and i'm not a bad landlord. i want everything to _ tenants and i'm not a bad landlord. i want everything to run— tenants and i'm not a bad landlord. i want everything to run smoothly i i want everything to run smoothly but you _ i want everything to run smoothly but you tenants _ i want everything to run smoothly but you tenants out _ i want everything to run smoothly but you tenants out there - i want everything to run smoothly but you tenants out there take . but you tenants out there take advantage _ but you tenants out there take advantage i_ but you tenants out there take advantage. ijust_ but you tenants out there take advantage. ijust want - but you tenants out there take advantage. ijust want the - but you tenants out there take advantage. ijust want the one but you tenants out there take - advantage. ijust want the one dog, you get— advantage. ijust want the one dog, you get three — advantage. ijust want the one dog, you get three dogs _ advantage. ijust want the one dog, you get three dogs. i'm _ advantage. ijust want the one dog, you get three dogs. i'm proof- advantage. ijust want the one dog, you get three dogs. i'm proof of. advantage. ijust want the one dog, | you get three dogs. i'm proof of the pudding. _ you get three dogs. i'm proof of the pudding. iye— you get three dogs. i'm proof of the pudding. i've tteen— you get three dogs. i'm proof of the pudding, i've been on _ you get three dogs. i'm proof of the pudding, i've been on the _ you get three dogs. i'm proof of the pudding, i've been on the bbc- you get three dogs. i'm proof of the pudding, i've been on the bbc withi pudding, i've been on the bbc with the documentary— pudding, i've been on the bbc with the documentary of _ pudding, i've been on the bbc with the documentary of the _ pudding, i've been on the bbc with the documentary of the state - 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at the office, but you don't all come — at the office, but you don't all come across— at the office, but you don't all come across as _ at the office, but you don't all come across as being - at the office, but you don't all come across as being good i at the office, but you don't all - come across as being good tenants and, come across as being good tenants and. you _ come across as being good tenants and. you know. _ come across as being good tenants and, you know, there _ come across as being good tenants and, you know, there is— come across as being good tenants and, you know, there is criminal. and, you know, there is criminal landlords, — and, you know, there is criminal landlords, there _ and, you know, there is criminal landlords, there is _ and, you know, there is criminal landlords, there is criminal- landlords, there is criminal tenants _ landlords, there is criminal tenants. get— landlords, there is criminal tenants. get a _ landlords, there is criminal tenants. get a life, - landlords, there is criminal tenants. get a life, wake . landlords, there is criminall tenants. get a life, wake up landlords, there is criminal- tenants. get a life, wake up and look— tenants. get a life, wake up and look after— tenants. get a life, wake up and look after landlord's _ tenants. get a life, wake up and look after landlord's properties. | look after landlord's properties. they— look after landlord's properties. they are — look after landlord's properties. they are investments, - look after landlord's properties. they are investments, we - look after landlord's properties. they are investments, we are l look after landlord's properties. - they are investments, we are doing you a _ they are investments, we are doing you a favoun — they are investments, we are doing you a favour-— they are investments, we are doing you a favour. what hang _ they are investments, we are doing you a favour. what hang on - they are investments, we are doing you a favour. what hang on a - they are investments, we are doing l you a favour. what hang on a minute, there are tenants _ you a favour.- hang on a minute, there are tenants out _ you a favour.- hang on a minute, there are tenants out there _ you a favour.- hang on a minute, there are tenants out there like - 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harvey and paul, be quietjust for a second. i’m harvey and paul, be quiet 'ust for a second. �* , harvey and paul, be quiet 'ust for a secona— no. _ harvey and paul, be quietjust for a second._ no, listen, i harvey and paul, be quietjust for a second._ no, listen, both| second. i'm sorry. no, listen, both of ou second. i'm sorry. no, listen, both of you for— second. i'm sorry. no, listen, both of you for the _ second. i'm sorry. no, listen, both of you for the second, _ second. i'm sorry. no, listen, both of you for the second, i'm - second. i'm sorry. no, listen, both of you for the second, i'm going i second. i'm sorry. no, listen, both of you for the second, i'm going to| of you for the second, i'm going to go to a still small voice of calm. the owner of an estate agent in cleethorpes, you've seen it all. you've seen that side of it on the other side of it, you've looked at life from both sides, so what about this legislation, is it a good thing? this legislation, is it a good thin ? ~ �* , this legislation, is it a good thin? ~ 3 t, this legislation, is it a good thin? �*, . g, this legislation, is it a good thin? �*, . . , thing? well, it's a vacuum. that is what it's going _ thing? well, it's a vacuum. that is what it's going to _ thing? well, it's a vacuum. that is what it's going to cause. _ thing? well, it's a vacuum. that is what it's going to cause. both i what it's going to cause. both collars — what it's going to cause. both collars there have legitimate points, — collars there have legitimate points, you've got the frustration from _ points, you've got the frustration from a _ points, you've got the frustration from a landlord's point of view, if they have — from a landlord's point of view, if they have rental arrears and property— they have rental arrears and property being damaged, but that's down _ property being damaged, but that's down to— property being damaged, but that's down to the managing agent, if they've — down to the managing agent, if they've got one. the managing agent taken _ they've got one. the managing agent taken care _ they've got one. the managing agent taken care of the property, controlling it, the mental side of it, controlling it, the mental side of it. though — controlling it, the mental side of it, though they can basically direct inspections and it would not come to the situation. 0n the other side,

tenants — the situation. 0n the other side, tenants have social issues, medical issues _ tenants have social issues, medical issues and — tenants have social issues, medical issues and sometimes things can get too much, _ issues and sometimes things can get too much, but really it is the private — too much, but really it is the private rented sector in itself has become — private rented sector in itself has become so — private rented sector in itself has become so saturated now, the reason also with— become so saturated now, the reason also with the government, we all know— also with the government, we all know the — also with the government, we all know the cost of living crisis coming _ know the cost of living crisis coming into play, the massive topic of conversation, so now everybody has got _ of conversation, so now everybody has got their own situation which they try— has got their own situation which they try to— has got their own situation which they try to deal within their own personal— they try to deal within their own personal lives, so the section 21 was actually instigated in 1988 and they was actually instigated in1988 and they still— was actually instigated in 1988 and they still have not technically abolished it. last time i read that there _ abolished it. last time i read that there was— abolished it. last time i read that there was talk in 2019. so a non-fault _ there was talk in 2019. so a non—fault of actions, —— non—fault eviction, — non—fault of actions, —— non—fault eviction, if— non—fault of actions, —— non—fault eviction, if it— non—fault of actions, —— non—fault eviction, if it goes ahead completely and people carry this out, they— completely and people carry this out, they will be anarchy, wearable peopie _ out, they will be anarchy, wearable people sleep be home? local authorities can only do so much, they— authorities can only do so much, they have — authorities can only do so much, they have not got the stock levels and that _ they have not got the stock levels and that is — they have not got the stock levels and that is the same case in the

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what she left, she left the remains of our offer of a _ what she left, she left the remains of our offer of a of _ what she left, she left the remains of our offer of a of a _ what she left, she left the remains of our offer of a of a baby- what she left, she left the remains of our offer of a of a baby in- what she left, she left the remains of our offer of a of a baby in a i what she left, she left the remains of our offer of a of a baby in a boxl of our offer of a of a baby in a box cut i'm_ of our offer of a of a baby in a box cut i'm sorry, _ of our offer of a of a baby in a box cut i'm sorry, that _ of our offer of a of a baby in a box cut i'm sorry, that is _ of our offer of a of a baby in a box cut i'm sorry, that is what - of our offer of a of a baby in a box cut i'm sorry, that is what she - cut i'm sorry, that is what she left, _ cut i'm sorry, that is what she left, i've — cut i'm sorry, that is what she left, i've still— cut i'm sorry, that is what she left, i've still got— cut i'm sorry, that is what she left, i've still got the - cut i'm sorry, that is what shei left, i've still got the evidence. cut i'm sorry, that is what she i left, i've still got the evidence. a single _ left, i've still got the evidence. a single lady— left, i've still got the evidence. a single lady on _ left, i've still got the evidence. a single lady on her— left, i've still got the evidence. a single lady on her own. _ left, i've still got the evidence. a single lady on her own. you'd - left, i've still got the evidence. a i single lady on her own. you'd have taken _ single lady on her own. you'd have taken her— single lady on her own. you'd have taken her on — single lady on her own. you'd have taken her on board _ single lady on her own. you'd have taken her on board as _ single lady on her own. you'd have taken her on board as a _ single lady on her own. you'd have taken her on board as a tenant- taken her on board as a tenant because — taken her on board as a tenant because she _ taken her on board as a tenant because she came _ taken her on board as a tenant because she came across - taken her on board as a tenant because she came across as i taken her on board as a tenant because she came across as a| because she came across as a wonderful— because she came across as a wonderful tenant. _ because she came across as a wonderful tenant. inle- because she came across as a wonderful tenant.— because she came across as a wonderful tenant. we get it. we get it. did ou wonderful tenant. we get it. we get it- did you say _ wonderful tenant. we get it. we get it. did you say that _ wonderful tenant. we get it. we get it. did you say that they _ wonderful tenant. we get it. we get it. did you say that they always - wonderful tenant. we get it. we get it. did you say that they always do? | it. did you say that they always do? it is the nature of the industry. your_ it is the nature of the industry. your housing people... in regards to the pet _ your housing people... in regards to the pet situation again, legislation has come — the pet situation again, legislation has come out of that, you can actually— has come out of that, you can actually say no pets allowed, you can actually say... nobody on universal— can actually say... nobody on universal credit or any type of benefit, — universal credit or any type of benefit, it _ universal credit or any type of benefit, it is discrimination, so how— benefit, it is discrimination, so how far— benefit, it is discrimination, so how far can— benefit, it is discrimination, so how far can landlords or managing agents _ how far can landlords or managing agents go? they try their level best to house _ agents go? they try their level best to house people. you've got to remember— to house people. you've got to remember some people out there, especially— remember some people out there, especially renters, i will say because _ especially renters, i will say because i'm a managing agent, we are inlhe— because i'm a managing agent, we are in the middle, we are trying to put

out fires, — in the middle, we are trying to put out fires, but if you have someone who has _ out fires, but if you have someone who has mental health issues and obviously— who has mental health issues and obviously this lady this gentleman is on _ obviously this lady this gentleman is on about had severe issues, i've had houses — is on about had severe issues, i've had houses destroyed, excrement, human. _ had houses destroyed, excrement, human, people have pets, pets and non-fault _ human, people have pets, pets and non—fault eviction is, rental arrears _ non—fault eviction is, rental arrears is _ non—fault eviction is, rental arrears is a _ non—fault eviction is, rental arrears is a common one... non-fault eviction is, rental arrears is a common one... what about the — arrears is a common one... what about the pets — arrears is a common one... what about the pets then, _ arrears is a common one... what about the pets then, that - arrears is a common one... what about the pets then, that is - arrears is a common one... twist about the pets then, that is big. ? most people talking about that. if i come in rented property and i say... there is also my ten dogs and 15 cats, do i now? i don't keep snakes part... nor do i approve of that. but say i have my ten dogs and 15 cats. is there now any obligation to rent a property to make reis part the un, rent a property to make reis part the pun. my _ rent a property to make reis part the pun. my pet _ rent a property to make reis part the pun, my pet ape is pets, i've had them — the pun, my pet ape is pets, i've had them in— the pun, my pet ape is pets, i've had them in the past but someone with a _ had them in the past but someone with a lovely little house trained true hour— with a lovely little house trained true hour and a turn—up with large breed _ true hour and a turn—up with large breed animals and you have a house

that was— breed animals and you have a house that was in— breed animals and you have a house that was in immaculate condition, the kitchen — that was in immaculate condition, the kitchen has been chewed off, the doors _ the kitchen has been chewed off, the doors have _ the kitchen has been chewed off, the doors have been chewed off, basically _ doors have been chewed off, basically you're left with a trail of destruction. i have shown this evidence, — of destruction. i have shown this evidence, it— of destruction. i have shown this evidence, it has been there, proven. sata_ evidence, it has been there, proven. sata and _ evidence, it has been there, proven. sata and adam coming up. good morning. —— sarah. what is your situation at the momentwe sold our house and are looking to move into accommodation... house and are looking to move into accommodation. . ._ accommodation... rented accommodation. - accommodation... rented | accommodation. obviously accommodation... rented - accommodation. obviously we had accommodation... rented _ accommodation. obviously we had the money bind us from our house which was quite a significant amount, we did quite well from it, had plenty of money to put member did not want to spend a fortune renting for obvious reasons, so we started the search for a property, we could only find, we were unable to look around the property once, had a completion date, so that gave his basically a month to find the property, i reckon

we probably looked about a0 properties, maybe spoke to i don't know how many people, but as soon as we said we had two large dogs, no one would take us, not one person. so we had run out of time and were panicking and i've got my stepson who is likely to as gcses and we have these two dogs so we have these two dogs are weird to think outside the box and we bought a caravan. so we are living in a caravan. what the box and we bought a caravan. so we are living in a caravan.— we are living in a caravan. what are the dous' we are living in a caravan. what are the dogs' names? _ we are living in a caravan. what are the dogs' names? are _ we are living in a caravan. what are the dogs' names? are they - we are living in a caravan. what are the dogs' names? are they in - we are living in a caravan. what are the dogs' names? are they in the i the dogs' names? are they in the caravan? , . . . caravan? they are in the caravan. there are — caravan? they are in the caravan. there are five _ caravan? they are in the caravan. there are five of _ caravan? they are in the caravan. there are five of us _ caravan? they are in the caravan. there are five of us altogether. . there are five of us altogether. three adults, my stepson is 15, and two large dogs. three adults, my stepson is 15, and two large dogs— two large dogs. under the new legislation. — two large dogs. under the new legislation, harp, _ two large dogs. under the new legislation, harp, this - two large dogs. under the new legislation, harp, this would i two large dogs. under the new. legislation, harp, this would not two large dogs. under the new- legislation, harp, this would not be a problem. legislation, harp, this would not be a roblem. . ,

legislation, harp, this would not be | a problem-_ let a problem. yeah, the thing is... let me brina a problem. yeah, the thing is... let me bring mac _ a problem. yeah, the thing is... let me bring mac to _ a problem. yeah, the thing is... let me bring mac to in. _ a problem. yeah, the thing is... let me bring mac to in. is— a problem. yeah, the thing is... let me bring mac to in. is on _ a problem. yeah, the thing is... let me bring mac to in. is on the - me bring mac to in. is on the statute. it me bring mac to in. is on the statute. ., ., , . , ., , statute. it would not be a problem, of course. — statute. it would not be a problem, of course. is _ statute. it would not be a problem, of course, is not _ statute. it would not be a problem, of course, is not indicative - statute. it would not be a problem, of course, is not indicative of- of course, is not indicative of every — of course, is not indicative of every tenant, some pets are like family— every tenant, some pets are like family members and a lot of people have thenr — family members and a lot of people have them for mental health, they are therapeutic, only recently a couple — are therapeutic, only recently a couple and family moved in next door to nry— couple and family moved in next door to my office _ couple and family moved in next door to my office in grimsby, and keith urban _ to my office in grimsby, and keith urban green play road and they kindly— urban green play road and they kindly ask and we have a true hour for our— kindly ask and we have a true hour for our daughter because she has various— for our daughter because she has various mental health problems, we said not— various mental health problems, we said not a _ various mental health problems, we said not a problem but we will do regular— said not a problem but we will do regular inspections. it was not originally— regular inspections. it was not originally agreed when we sign the tenancy— originally agreed when we sign the tenancy agreement, so again, it is discriminating. how far can you go discriminating. how far can you go discriminating against? 0n the flip side, _ discriminating against? 0n the flip side, the _ discriminating against? 0n the flip side, the landers that have had this, _ side, the landers that have had this, they— side, the landers that have had this, they are getting out the sector— this, they are getting out the sector not because of the issues with rental arrears and damage but the interest rates and what the government are doing. they are not really— government are doing. they are not really helping the landlords. i have

put really helping the landlords. i have but this— really helping the landlords. i have put this point out there, you're not giving _ put this point out there, you're not giving people a car and give back in four days, — giving people a car and give back in four days, is — giving people a car and give back in four days, is a home, treat like one _ four days, is a home, treat like one. ~ , ., ., . four days, is a home, treat like one. , ., .,. , one. we used to renovate properties as a business. _ one. we used to renovate properties as a business, that _ one. we used to renovate properties as a business, that was _ one. we used to renovate properties as a business, that was her - one. we used to renovate properties as a business, that was herjob, - as a business, that was herjob, mind and my husband's company, so even said, anything that happens, and other dogs anything, but if anything was to happen we would happily put it right, we said you can put a clause in the contract to help but no one would touch is, not one person. never heard from them again. one person. never heard from them aaain. . �* . one person. never heard from them a.ain_ ., �*, ., one person. never heard from them aiain. ., �*, ., , ., one person. never heard from them aaain. . �*, ., ., | one person. never heard from them again-_ i know- - one person. never heard from them again._ i know. let's again. that's a shame. i know. let's no again. that's a shame. i know. let's to with i again. that's a shame. i know. let's go with i think _ again. that's a shame. i know. let's go with i think it _ again. that's a shame. i know. let's go with i think it is _ again. that's a shame. i know. let's go with i think it is adam. _ again. that's a shame. i know. let's go with i think it is adam. i - again. that's a shame. i know. let's go with i think it is adam. i must. go with i think it is adam. i must say, if i were to rent, could not live without my dogs. what would you like to say? i live without my dogs. what would you like to sa ? . ., live without my dogs. what would you like to sa ? . . ., live without my dogs. what would you like to sa ? . . . ., like to say? i have had a nightmare tenant, to like to say? i have had a nightmare tenant. to cut _ like to say? i have had a nightmare tenant, to cut a _ like to say? i have had a nightmare tenant, to cut a long _ like to say? i have had a nightmare tenant, to cut a long story - like to say? i have had a nightmare tenant, to cut a long story short, i tenant, to cut a long story short, nranaged — tenant, to cut a long story short, nranaged to— tenant, to cut a long story short, nranaged to get _

tenant, to cut a long story short, nranaged to get a _ tenant, to cut a long story short, managed to get a section - tenant, to cut a long story short, managed to get a section 21 - tenant, to cut a long story short, i managed to get a section 21 served, we had _ managed to get a section 21 served, we had to— managed to get a section 21 served, we had to go— managed to get a section 21 served, we had to go to _ managed to get a section 21 served, we had to go to court _ managed to get a section 21 served, we had to go to court last _ managed to get a section 21 served, we had to go to court last month, i i we had to go to court last month, i was granted — we had to go to court last month, i was granted a _ we had to go to court last month, i was granted a possession - we had to go to court last month, i was granted a possession order, i we had to go to court last month, i i was granted a possession order, she should _ was granted a possession order, she should have — was granted a possession order, she should have been _ was granted a possession order, she should have been out _ was granted a possession order, she should have been out last _ was granted a possession order, she should have been out last week - was granted a possession order, she should have been out last week and i should have been out last week and she is— should have been out last week and she is still— should have been out last week and she is still refusing _ should have been out last week and she is still refusing to _ should have been out last week and she is still refusing to move - should have been out last week and she is still refusing to move and - should have been out last week and she is still refusing to move and is i she is still refusing to move and is refusing _ she is still refusing to move and is refusing to — she is still refusing to move and is refusing to pay— she is still refusing to move and is refusing to pay any— she is still refusing to move and is refusing to pay any rent. - she is still refusing to move and is refusing to pay any rent. so - she is still refusing to move and is refusing to pay any rent. so now l she is still refusing to move and is refusing to pay any rent. so now i | refusing to pay any rent. so now i have _ refusing to pay any rent. so now i have to _ refusing to pay any rent. so now i have to get — refusing to pay any rent. so now i have to get bail— refusing to pay any rent. so now i have to get bail of _ refusing to pay any rent. so now i have to get bail of sin. _ refusing to pay any rent. so now i have to get bail of sin. the - refusing to pay any rent. so now i i have to get bail of sin. the process is a nightnrare _ have to get bail of sin. the process is a nightmare because _ have to get bail of sin. the process is a nightmare because my- have to get bail of sin. the process. is a nightmare because my mortgage has gone _ is a nightmare because my mortgage has gone sky— is a nightmare because my mortgage has gone sky high _ is a nightmare because my mortgage has gone sky high in _ is a nightmare because my mortgage has gone sky high in the _ is a nightmare because my mortgage has gone sky high in the last- is a nightmare because my mortgage has gone sky high in the last 12 - has gone sky high in the last 12 nronths — has gone sky high in the last 12 nronths and _ has gone sky high in the last 12 nronths and i— has gone sky high in the last 12 months and i rent _ has gone sky high in the last 12 months and i rent a _ has gone sky high in the last 12 months and i rent a house, - has gone sky high in the last 12 - months and i rent a house, obviously a bigger— months and i rent a house, obviously a bigger house — months and i rent a house, obviously a bigger house for— months and i rent a house, obviously a bigger house for myself _ months and i rent a house, obviously a bigger house for myself and - months and i rent a house, obviously a bigger house for myself and my- a bigger house for myself and my partner— a bigger house for myself and my partner and — a bigger house for myself and my partner and kids, _ a bigger house for myself and my partner and kids, that— a bigger house for myself and my partner and kids, that rent- a bigger house for myself and my partner and kids, that rent has. a bigger house for myself and my. partner and kids, that rent has gone up, partner and kids, that rent has gone up. so _ partner and kids, that rent has gone up. so i'm _ partner and kids, that rent has gone up. so i'm severely— partner and kids, that rent has gone up, so i'm severely out— partner and kids, that rent has gone up, so i'm severely out of— partner and kids, that rent has gone up, so i'm severely out of pocket. up, so i'm severely out of pocket and this— up, so i'm severely out of pocket and this tenant _ up, so i'm severely out of pocket and this tenant will _ up, so i'm severely out of pocket and this tenant will not _ up, so i'm severely out of pocket and this tenant will not pay - up, so i'm severely out of pocket and this tenant will not pay the l and this tenant will not pay the rent _ and this tenant will not pay the rent she — and this tenant will not pay the rent. she thinks _ and this tenant will not pay the rent. she thinks she _ and this tenant will not pay the rent. she thinks she is- and this tenant will not pay the rent. she thinks she is owed i rent. she thinks she is owed everything _ rent. she thinks she is owed everything. the _ rent. she thinks she is owed everything. the council- rent. she thinks she is owed everything. the council paid| rent. she thinks she is owed - everything. the council paid half her rent. — everything. the council paid half her rent. she— everything. the council paid half her rent, she is— everything. the council paid half her rent, she is supposed - everything. the council paid half her rent, she is supposed to - everything. the council paid half her rent, she is supposed to topi everything. the council paid half. her rent, she is supposed to top up the rest _ her rent, she is supposed to top up the rest and — her rent, she is supposed to top up the rest and she _ her rent, she is supposed to top up the rest and she is— her rent, she is supposed to top up the rest and she is not— her rent, she is supposed to top up the rest and she is not paying - the rest and she is not paying anything _ the rest and she is not paying anything and _ the rest and she is not paying anything. and she _ the rest and she is not paying anything. and she won't- the rest and she is not paying anything. and she won't get. the rest and she is not paying. anything. and she won't get out, the rest and she is not paying - anything. and she won't get out, so now i_ anything. and she won't get out, so now i have — anything. and she won't get out, so now i have to— anything. and she won't get out, so now i have to get _ anything. and she won't get out, so now i have to get bailiffss _ anything. and she won't get out, so now i have to get bailiffss in. - anything. and she won't get out, so now i have to get bailiffss in. this . now i have to get bailiffss in. this was only— now i have to get bailiffss in. this was only nreant _ now i have to get bailiffss in. this was only meant to _ now i have to get bailiffss in. this was only meant to be _ now i have to get bailiffss in. this was only meant to be for - now i have to get bailiffss in. this was only meant to be for a - now i have to get bailiffss in. this was only meant to be for a year, i was only meant to be for a year, couple _ was only meant to be for a year, couple of— was only meant to be for a year, couple of years. _ was only meant to be for a year, couple of years, she _ was only meant to be for a year, couple of years, she knew- was only meant to be for a year, couple of years, she knew that l was only meant to be for a year, - couple of years, she knew that when she signed _ couple of years, she knew that when she signed the — couple of years, she knew that when

she signed the contract, _ couple of years, she knew that when she signed the contract, the - couple of years, she knew that when she signed the contract, the councill she signed the contract, the council was involved — she signed the contract, the council was involved and _ she signed the contract, the council was involved and to _ she signed the contract, the council was involved and to get _ she signed the contract, the council was involved and to get a _ she signed the contract, the council was involved and to get a new- was involved and to get a new contract — was involved and to get a new contract and _ was involved and to get a new contract and they— was involved and to get a new contract and they only - was involved and to get a new contract and they only pay - was involved and to get a new contract and they only pay a l was involved and to get a new- contract and they only pay a limited amount _ contract and they only pay a limited amount they— contract and they only pay a limited amount. they don't _ contract and they only pay a limited amount. they don't pay— contract and they only pay a limited amount. they don't pay the - contract and they only pay a limited amount. they don't pay the market| amount. they don't pay the market value _ amount. they don't pay the market value of— amount. they don't pay the market value of the — amount. they don't pay the market value of the property. _ amount. they don't pay the market value of the property. lets - amount. they don't pay the market value of the property.— value of the property. lets get another voice. _ value of the property. lets get another voice. good _ value of the property. lets get another voice. good morning. | another voice. good morning. renting... another voice. good morning. renting---_ another voice. good morning. rentinu... . . renting... yes, we were renting a --roe renting... yes, we were renting a property a — renting... yes, we were renting a property a couple _ renting... yes, we were renting a property a couple of— renting... yes, we were renting a property a couple of years - renting... yes, we were renting a property a couple of years ago - renting... yes, we were renting a| property a couple of years ago and we had applied to account council to become foster carers, so we went through the entire process of approval, everything had gone really smoothly, the last piece of paper that we needed was signed consent from our landlady that she was happy to have a foster child in the house, and she basically refused to find the piece of paper, so our social worker said there is nothing more we can do, we cannot proceed without that signature and that means you cannot be approved as foster carers.

what? , ., , ,., cannot be approved as foster carers. what? , .,, ., , cannot be approved as foster carers. what? , ., , ., cannot be approved as foster carers. what? , ,_, _, ,, what? yes, i was so angry and upset. what? yes, i was so angry and upset. what was her — what? yes, i was so angry and upset. what was her reason _ what? yes, i was so angry and upset. what was her reason for _ what? yes, i was so angry and upset. what was her reason for that? - what? yes, i was so angry and upset. what was her reason for that? did - what was her reason for that? did you say anything about the kids? we have you say anything about the kids? , have three of our own daughters, my husband and i, and she said she felt the property was not big enough to accommodate another child, so we were going to be approved for children under the age of three, and oversee foster children need to have their own bedroom, which was the case here, but she said she felt the property was not big enough, which is interesting because if i had got pregnant and had another baby of our own she could not have visited is also no spaces, sol own she could not have visited is also no spaces, so i felt like it was prejudice against children in care, whether she had preconceived ideas. my social worker rang her to try and answer any of her questions, whether she was worried about the property being damaged, which there is some preconceived ideas about that, but because we were only going to have babies and toddlers... what

to have babies and toddlers... what are the preconceived _ to have babies and toddlers... what are the preconceived ideas i - to have babies and toddlers... what are the preconceived ideas i don't . are the preconceived ideas i don't know, i are the preconceived ideas i don't know. i never— are the preconceived ideas i don't know, i never met _ are the preconceived ideas i don't know, i never met our _ are the preconceived ideas i don't know, i never met our landlady. l are the preconceived ideas i don't know, i never met our landlady. i | know, i never met our landlady. i don't know what's her problem was with having a child that was in foster care in her house, but long story short, we thought that is fine, we don't want to live in the house any more than if that is the way that you are going to be towards us, so our tenancy was due for renewal about three months later, so we told her we were going to leave on the basis of her refusing to find this paperwork and we moved to another rental property a couple of years ago which we absolutely love and we are buying it off the landlady now, we are competing next week, so it has all worked out for the best and all worked out really well. . . the best and all worked out really well. . , ., the best and all worked out really well. . , . , ., the best and all worked out really well. . , . , . ., well. that is great but what detail. let me just — well. that is great but what detail. let me just say — well. that is great but what detail. let me just say to _ well. that is great but what detail. let me just say to people, - well. that is great but what detail. let me just say to people, thank i well. that is great but what detail. i let me just say to people, thank you for watching on bbc two and bbc news, were about to get coverage of the home affairs select committee

talk about policing of the coronation on bbc news but stick with us for the next hour. questions to our three mps who will been with us and you can ask them whatever you want.

live from london, this is bbc news. i am lucy gray. the arrest of anti—money monarchy protesters is about to be scrutinised by a committee of mps. we can cross to westminster when it gets going but first let's remind you of what happened. on the day of the coronation, some protests took place across london, including this one, organised by the anti—monarchy group republic. six were arrested intending to lock on, when a person was going to glue themselves to an object. they were held for 16 hours later released without charge. there were calls for the police to apologise and explain the arrests and whether they had been carried out under new laws that the

government had recently passed.