' chase with the catastrophic car chase with the highly aggressive paparazzi. that is how they describe it, as they release that statement of their concern about what happened on tuesday night. if you have just joined if you havejustjoined us on bbc news we are staying with the breaking news that has come to us in the last little while. it breaking news that has come to us in the last little while.— the last little while. if you are “ust the last little while. if you are justioining — the last little while. if you are justioining us _ the last little while. if you are just joining us it _ the last little while. if you are just joining us it is _ the last little while. if you are just joining us it is worth - justjoining us it is worth recapping those developments. it is the breaking news from the united states involving prince harry who says he and his wife were involved in a near catastrophic car chase with paparazzi photographers on tuesday evening. here is the photograph of the event itself, that prince harry, meghan and her mother were attending on tuesday. it was an awards ceremony in new york for the couple actually attending, and in the statement it says last night the

duke and duchess of sussex and doria ragland were involved in a near catastrophic car chase at the hands of a ring of highly aggressive paparazzi. this relentless pursuit, the statement says, lasting over two hours, resulted in multiple near collisions involving other drivers on the road, pedestrians and two nypd officers. let's go back to the newsroom, back to our royal correspondent sarah campbell who is still there with the early part of this breaking story. just the bare bones of the statement. but in the last little while you have learnt a little more detail, apart from those basics about the paparazzi involved and that description of a near catastrophic car accident. yes, and potentially the most important point being that they are all 0k. important point being that they are all ok. but clearly from their perspective they found this a very troublesome, worrying car chase last

night. is it worth reiterating the statement? this is what is on the record from their spokespeople. last night the duke and duchess of sussex and doria ragland were involved in what they describe as a near catastrophic car chase at the hands of a ring of highly aggressive paparazzi. they talk about this car chase lasting two hours, and my understanding being the reason for thatis understanding being the reason for that is that they were not staying at a hotel or a public building, they were staying at a private residence. they didn't want the people following them to know the identity, orwhere people following them to know the identity, or where exactly where they were staying, which is why they were going around rather than going directly back to where they were. the statement says that there were multiple near collisions involving other drivers on the road, pedestrians and police officers. the statement says while being a public figure comes with a level of interest from the public, it should never, the cost of any one's safety. and really a warning, a shot across the bow is to any news organisation,

any newspaper inking about publishing any of these paparazzi pictures, if there are any in existence. i personally have not seen any yet. it says dissemination of these images given the way they were obtained encourages highly intrusive practice that is dangerous to all involved. just the bare details again, that we understand according to the duke and duchess of sussex�*s account, is there were half a dozen blacked out vehicles with unidentified people endangering the convoy and everyone else around them with various traffic violations such as driving on the pavement, running red lights, and clearly dangerous driving practices. ishould reiterate, it is worth reiterating once more, that we are trying to get hold of the new york police department to see whether there is any independent verification of what went on. it does appear from the news coming out of the duke and

duchess's camp that the nypd were involved in some way, shape or form so one would expect them to have some record or some account of what went on last night. and as we have been saying, although they live in california, they were in new york for an award ceremony. meghan was receiving an award and this appears to have happened after that award ceremony in new york last night. we await to hear from the new york police because in that statement you touched on, it references two nypd officers, so one way or another we will get more details from that part of the equation. but you follow the royals incredibly closely. in terms of what we know publicly, is this the first time in the united states we have seen something like this involving the prince? it’s we have seen something like this involving the prince?— involving the prince? it's a good cuestion. involving the prince? it's a good question- as — involving the prince? it's a good question. as far _ involving the prince? it's a good question. as far as _ involving the prince? it's a good question. as far as i'm - involving the prince? it's a good question. as far as i'm aware, l involving the prince? it's a good i question. as far as i'm aware, they have been there three years now, and

obviously we have spoken about the fact that one of the reasons why prince harry has spoken about in the various documentaries and his book, is the reason he left the uk, one of the reason certainly was to try and get away from the uk tabloid press, from paparazzi in particular. of course we know how he feels about his mother's death and the fact that he blames the paparazzi and paparazzi chase for her death in paris in 1997. have there been any incidence of this scale since they were in the united states? not that i'm aware of. there have been, i think, moments when he has talked about their being, certainly when they first met, back in toronto, meghan has spoken about the fact that immediately the press interest in her was ramped up, that there were photographers camped outside her house will stop but in terms of something so specific as this, since

they have been living in the states, i'm not aware of having heard anything on this level. so certainly it does seem to have been significant enough for them to want to bring this to global attention, which via this statement they certainly have done.- which via this statement they certainly have done. they most certainly have done. they most certainly have. _ certainly have done. they most certainly have. you _ certainly have done. they most certainly have. you referencedl certainly have done. they most i certainly have. you referenced his mother, and he said in several recent interviews that he fears history repeating itself, doesn't he? �* , history repeating itself, doesn't he? absolutely, he has said that, and the undercurrent _ he? absolutely, he has said that, and the undercurrent of— he? absolutely, he has said that, and the undercurrent of much - he? absolutely, he has said that, and the undercurrent of much of. he? absolutely, he has said that, - and the undercurrent of much of what you see and hear and read from prince harry, the undercurrent of steps back from his mother at his mother's experience with the press. he felt as a young boy that he couldn't protect her from the press and you're right that from the moment he and meghan got together, one of the first things he did was toissue one of the first things he did was to issue a statement talking about the fact that he was concerned about press intrusion and talking about the fact that he wanted to be able

to protect her that he couldn't see it happening, he found it difficult, so this has certainly been top of his worries for all of his adult life, really. in the language i think in the statement today bears that out, the fact they are talking about a near catastrophic car chase, about a near catastrophic car chase, a highly intrusive practice, dangerous to all involved, the statement he is saying while being a public figure comes with a level of interest from the public it should never come at the cost of anyone's safety. and reiterated there were opportunities for members of the press to take legitimate photos, there was a press pen outside the eventin there was a press pen outside the event in new york last night, so they were photographed, i have seen they were photographed, i have seen the photographs of them going in standing there waiting to be photographed. and then when they left, clearly this has happened and this is what they believe is quite clearly unacceptable, the paparazzi following them for what they say was a relentless car chase that lasted something in the region of two

hours. . something in the region of two hours, ., ., , , hours. sarah campbell in the newsroom. _ hours. sarah campbell in the newsroom, thank _ hours. sarah campbell in the newsroom, thank you - hours. sarah campbell in the newsroom, thank you for - hours. sarah campbell in the newsroom, thank you for all| hours. sarah campbell in the i newsroom, thank you for all of hours. sarah campbell in the - newsroom, thank you for all of that. we will talk to the royal commentator richard fitz williams in a moment but i want to cross back to washington as nomia iqbal who is monitoring the story from where she is. in terms of whether we have had anything publicly from the nypd, has there been any sort of formal statement that alludes to anything regarding this incident on tuesday? nothing concrete so far, matthew. we have from them is that they have not immediately confirm the incident. and so far all we have is the statement from prince harry's spokesperson. there are videos and images online. there is a website tmz that has some of those videos and images as well. but we just don't really know enough details, what near catastrophic means, can only go off what the statement was.

just a reminder that this was a relentless pursuit they said lasted over two hours resulting in multiple near collisions involving other drivers on the road, pedestrians, two new york police department officers. we are hoping and assuming that the new york police department will get back to us at some point. as you know we are keeping across it and hoping to get some comment from them at some point today. interesting, because as you speak i know the bbc teams here have been in contact with the new york police, just with underlying what they have said is an initial statement, they say they have not immediately confirmed the incident when asked by the bbc. so we wait to see if there is additional information that does come out from the new york police is clearly this story is making headlines here and around the world. let's talk to the royal commentator richard fitz williams who is watching what we have been reporting thatjoins us on the programme. your

headline thoughts, richard? my headline thoughts, richard? m headline thoughts, richard? m1 headline thoughts, richard? m1 headline thoughts were absolute shock that something like this could happen, the way that the source from the sussexes has described this, a near catastrophic element to it. in fact, the number of vehicles, some six apparently involved in it, and the evolvement of also paparazzi. we know there are still a large number around but of course they have so much less power than they used to when one thinks back to diana and of course the tragic death that has always haunted harry. this is absolutely extraordinary and obviously, given the worldwide interest, we would expect an nypd statement on it as soon as is feasible. , ., statement on it as soon as is feasible-— statement on it as soon as is feasible. , ., ., ., , feasible. yes, we wait to get any development _ feasible. yes, we wait to get any development from _ feasible. yes, we wait to get any development from the _ feasible. yes, we wait to get any development from the new - feasible. yes, we wait to get any development from the new york| development from the new york police. but you alluded to it, for a

prince harry he has been relentless, hasn't he, in terms of taking these observations about the paparazzi can making these observations about the tabloid press, so this will be disturbing for him that it is not only happened again but happened in the united states.— the united states. extremely disturbing- — the united states. extremely disturbing. and _ the united states. extremely disturbing. and of _ the united states. extremely disturbing. and of course - the united states. extremely disturbing. and of course we | the united states. extremely i disturbing. and of course we are awaiting details. clearly they will emerge, so a good deal must emerge i would have thought of the security that they had after the award ceremony yesterday. this allows this to take place. it sounds so very dangerous. you mentioned his concern. i mean, he had several court cases at the moment, firstly about several elements in the press, some of them dating back quite a number of years, and of course the link to phone hacking allegations, and of course we know that he has a case against the home office regarding the level of security that

he believes has been downgraded, that he and his family would have in the united kingdom, and a potential further case because he wants personally to be able to pay for it and not the taxpayer, the precedent that would set is of course something to debate but there is no question that anything like this, it is absolutely horrendous. you referenced — is absolutely horrendous. you referenced the _ is absolutely horrendous. you referenced the various court cases, we are looking the picture is from prince harry, the hacking cases he's been involved within the last couple of weeks there in court in person, and you mentioned the fact that security is an issue both in this country and in the united states. it was interesting in the statement, part of it talked about the dissemination of these images, given the ways in which they were obtained encouraging a highly dangerous practice to all involved. the images may appear on social media but he's putting that in the statement out there because he will be concerned

that images got in this way still appeared to be being used just in everyday newspapers that we use. this is deeply shocking. i cannot imagine certain newspapers using them, if there were obtained by the paparazzi. but now we have, and it was very different in the 1990s, we have the threats to individuals, and especially high—profile individuals of twitter, of sources, and where something could instantly be posted, something could instantly be posted, something undesirably obtained and very difficult to police, almost impossible to police. so clearly he has a large number of concerns will stop how will those concerns be addressed? this happened of course in the united states. what security precautions whether, and members of the new york police department reportedly involved. we wait to hear more about that. so this is

obviously deeply disturbing. and of course it will bring old fears back for him, for meghan, and of course her mother doria ragland being involved as well. so it is quite extraordinary. the world i think has got quite a shock. you extraordinary. the world i think has got quite a shock.— extraordinary. the world i think has got quite a shock. you mention those three, and got quite a shock. you mention those three. and as — got quite a shock. you mention those three. and as you _ got quite a shock. you mention those three, and as you are _ got quite a shock. you mention those three, and as you are talking, - three, and as you are talking, alongside you is the official picture from that event. i suppose the problem that both the prince and other members of the royal family and other celebrities all have the same issue which is, they reference it in the statement, saying while being a public figure comes with a level of interest from the public it should never, the cost of any one's safety. those are the pictures on the screen, official pictures. that is fine, it is everything that happens around the fringes, those hours, the travelling to and from places like that.— places like that. this clearly is at the heart of _ places like that. this clearly is at the heart of what _ places like that. this clearly is at the heart of what has _ places like that. this clearly is at the heart of what has happened, | places like that. this clearly is at - the heart of what has happened, and also you wonder whether possibly because i understand there have been

allegations of laws being broken by those vehicles who were pursuing them. we don't yet know the details as to whether or not they had to security themselves with them, and if so who and in what way. but possibly if there had been laws broken we might well expect arrests, yes indeed. any figure appearing at, for example, the awards ceremony, there is no question they would expect to be photographed there, no doubt about that, and they would welcome that because there is this fatefully symbiotic relationship sometimes between well—known figures and the press. but there has obviously to be a point where lines must be drawn, and as i say, will anyone be arrested or cautioned? what will actually happen as a result of this command will security for them be tightened up, both here and in the united states? i do hope

so. . ., ., ., ., so. richard, we have to leave it there. thank _ so. richard, we have to leave it there. thank you _ so. richard, we have to leave it there. thank you for _ so. richard, we have to leave it there. thank you forjoining - so. richard, we have to leave it there. thank you forjoining us. j there. thank you forjoining us. let's speak to the author of prince harry title like the inside story and former editor of the sun newspaper. thank you forjoining us. your thoughts on this story? i newspaper. thank you forjoining us. your thoughts on this story?- your thoughts on this story? i agree with richards _ your thoughts on this story? i agree with richards fitzsimons. _ your thoughts on this story? i agree with richards fitzsimons. it - your thoughts on this story? i agree with richards fitzsimons. it is - with richards fitzsimons. it is potentially very, very serious as a story and i think the use of the language near catastrophic is extremely strong, and if they were playing once again a game of cat and mouse with the paparazzi in the big city it seems absolutely extraordinary.— city it seems absolutely extraordinary. city it seems absolutely extraordina . ., . ., , city it seems absolutely extraordina . ., . , extraordinary. how much does this still happen- _ extraordinary. how much does this still happen. the _ extraordinary. how much does this still happen. the element - extraordinary. how much does this still happen. the element back- extraordinary. how much does this still happen. the element back in i still happen. the element back in 2008 from a british point of view things got so bad that william actually talked to the press and said, an agreement was made, it wasn't a law or a rule, but it was an agreement that before publishing

any pictures a call would go through to the palace to check that the pictures being offered by the paparazzi photographers involved, there was no pursuit as we see here, there was no pursuit as we see here, there was no obvious hurled at the royals in order to try and get a reaction and a stronger photograph, if you like, and that they had a reasonable expectation of privacy, perhaps when kate was photographed from nearly a mile away topless on a private french hillside. i think the issue really for harry is that the relationship with the media now is so bad, maybe those phone calls don't go in any more. and a couple who are two of the most photographed people in the world, it is really astonishing to think that they would be in a position where someone driving their vehicle would think it necessary to take a risk that would put them in danger, something the british royal protection officers would never, ever do. you raised a

number of interesting points. i'm going to pursue one of them. you think it is entirely possible that whatever the arrangements over the last recent years, maybe those are not being abided by any longer when it comes to prince harry? not being abided by any longer when it comes to prince harry? is not being abided by any longer when it comes to prince harry? is that what you were saying? that is the worry? what you were saying? that is the wor ? , . , what you were saying? that is the wor ? , ., , ., , worry? yes, that is the worry. although _ worry? yes, that is the worry. although harry _ worry? yes, that is the worry. although harry very _ worry? yes, that is the worry. although harry very vocally i worry? yes, that is the worry. i although harry very vocally said that he was moving to america to sort of escape the attentions of the press, he actually moved to probably the paparazzi capital city of the world in la. i know this happened in new york, but where you have the couple at such a public event being photographed, that is absolutely fine, but then for there to be a pursuit afterwards where there is any suggestion of the inhabitants of the car, in this case the three of them, being put in danger, i think most people watching would think that that was a horrific thing, given what we heard and we saw and

we learnt from princess diana's death in the tunnel in 1997. use the phrase paparazzi capitalfor la. i talked to sarah campbell about this and she follows the royals what you do. she couldn't recall a similar incident. this appears to be a crossing of the line. i similar incident. this appears to be a crossing of the line.— a crossing of the line. i think it must be. _ a crossing of the line. i think it must be. for — a crossing of the line. i think it must be, for harry _ a crossing of the line. i think it must be, for harry to - a crossing of the line. i think it must be, for harry to use i a crossing of the line. i think it must be, for harry to use that| a crossing of the line. i think it i must be, for harry to use that sort of language. i know at the moment he is pursuing his legal case in london so he can try and get royal protection back in britain when he is here. but i think i'd have to be very cynical to suggest that this was a way of putting pressure on london's high court. you have to assume that this two hour long incident involves some pretty hair raising moments and... can you imagine prince harry loses his mother because really of the events of a cat and mouse game with the

paparazzi, imagine how he must be feeling. and i think a lot of people have said harry shouldn't have royal protection, why should the british taxpayer pay for him? a but he was born into the royalfamily, he didn't choose to be a prince, and therefore he is a target for all sorts of paparazzi bounty hunter photographers that are trying to get the most money out of the pictures that they can. i don't think that they should ever be a point for prince harry were he has to have his own life put in a potentially dangerous situation just purely because of the fact he is a prince. are you saying that that royal protection should extend to his time in the united states as well? you referenced _ in the united states as well? you referenced the _ in the united states as well? you referenced the court case here, but that's about here, the uk, isn't it, not the us? that's about here, the uk, isn't it, rrot the us?— not the us? that's right, and pure costs involved _ not the us? that's right, and pure costs involved in _ not the us? that's right, and pure costs involved in that _ not the us? that's right, and pure costs involved in that i _ not the us? that's right, and pure costs involved in that i think i not the us? that's right, and pure| costs involved in that i think would make that almost unpalatable for the british taxpayer. but it begs the

question, who is looking after him? a royal protection officer and i've spoken to many over the years about what happened to princess diana, royal protection officers would simply stop, call in the local police forces, have the photographers removed and there wouldn't be any high—speed pursuit, any danger because they are there to protect them primarily for safety reasons, not to try and protect them from pictures being taken. they are the most photographed couple in the world, so why on earth would you want to try and run away, if you like, if paparazzi were hot in pursuit? i like, if paparazzi were hot in ursuit? ., , . pursuit? i think it is the detail here that _ pursuit? i think it is the detail here that is _ pursuit? i think it is the detail here that is causing _ pursuit? i think it is the detail here that is causing eyebrows | pursuit? i think it is the detail i here that is causing eyebrows to really shoot up when they talk about two hours, 13 briefing the nature of the sort of thing is that these people in the cars, the blacked out windows, the sorts of things they let alone the elongated nature of it. in terms of your knowledge of what happens here with royal

protection, how much would the prince or other royals be protected? how impossible does that scenario become at the moment here with people with royal protection? in the uk the royal— people with royal protection? in the uk the royal protection _ people with royal protection? in the uk the royal protection officers i people with royal protection? iri jf�*uéi uk the royal protection officers are part of the met police, they are highly trained, they are trained drivers, they are primarily there, as i say, to protect, the clue is in the name, they are not there as glorified press officers trying to make sure that photographs are not taken. the priority is what they would describe as the principal, the member of the royal family all the politician of the diplomat they were protecting. you know, this will come, i think, protecting. you know, this will come, ithink, is protecting. you know, this will come, i think, is a protecting. you know, this will come, ithink, is a huge protecting. you know, this will come, i think, is a huge surprise to all of those guys and women that used to look after prince harry before he left for america. it simply should not happen. and if harry has made a statement as strong as this, and if there is any shred of truth to what harry has said in

the statement, then i think, you know, huge, huge questions will be asked about whether or not the paparazzi can still operate in this way. there has to be a way of stopping photographs being taken after pursuit. it is far too dangerous. what if a pedestrian walking on the street in new york was knocked down by a car? is a picture worth that? of course it is not, so common sense should prevail, and clearly harry has highlighted this because something has gone extremely badly wrong. you this because something has gone extremely badly wrong.— extremely badly wrong. you are exactly right _ extremely badly wrong. you are exactly right because _ extremely badly wrong. you are exactly right because he - extremely badly wrong. you are exactly right because he not i extremely badly wrong. you are | exactly right because he not only references to micro nypd officers, he also references pedestrians. you are exactly right about that —— two nypd officers. the fear is photographs like this will end up already perhaps on social media. we know when it comes to social media that in the last little while there have been libel actions for people

saying certain things on social media. is there any particular recourse that the prince or other people would have when it comes to pictures being circulated on social media? i pictures being circulated on social media? ., �* ~ ., pictures being circulated on social media? ~ ., , ., pictures being circulated on social media? ., �* ~ ., , ., ., media? i don't know but what i do know is if there _ media? i don't know but what i do know is if there is _ media? i don't know but what i do know is if there is harry _ media? i don't know but what i do know is if there is harry will i know is if there is harry will pursue it. harry is very aggressive when it comes to legal action, as we know, and if there is any way, any court, any complaint that he can make in an official capacity for criminal activity, make in an official capacity for criminalactivity, i make in an official capacity for criminal activity, i would make in an official capacity for criminal activity, iwould imagine peoplejumping red lights to keep up with him, i'm assuming that, i don't know that, but those sorts of behaviour i think harry will do everything he can, because we know from harry his primary, real concern is for his safety and the safety of his family. is for his safety and the safety of his famil . , .., is for his safety and the safety of his famil. , .. , ._ is for his safety and the safety of his family-— his family. duncan, stay with us because i— his family. duncan, stay with us because i will— his family. duncan, stay with us because i will come _ his family. duncan, stay with us because i will come back - his family. duncan, stay with us because i will come back to i his family. duncan, stay with us because i will come back to you | his family. duncan, stay with us l because i will come back to you in his family. duncan, stay with us i because i will come back to you in a moment or two. but i want to head back to washington. nomia iqbal is our correspondence they're trying to get more of the details because this

incident happening in new york. let me bring nomia iqbal back in. i don't know if the new york police have anything to add, but certainly the initial approach, they said they did not have any immediate confirmation. are you hearing anything more that is coming from the authorities themselves in this incident? $5 the authorities themselves in this incident? �* , ., , the authorities themselves in this incident? a ., , , ., ., incident? as of yet still no more details other _ incident? as of yet still no more details other than _ incident? as of yet still no more details other than them - incident? as of yet still no more details other than them saying l incident? as of yet still no more i details other than them saying that they are not immediately confirming it. and of course we want to know more details in terms of the new york police department because in the statement by prince harry's spokesperson they said that this pursuit that lasted for more than two hours involved pedestrians and also two new york police department officers. we are still waiting to try and get more information from them, if they have any more details on what happened. the statement, as we have been saying for the last few hours is incredibly strong by prince harry. it is only the statement that we have got from him and his spokesperson. so we are still

waiting for some confirmation, some independent confirmation from other authorities involved. find independent confirmation from other authorities involved.— authorities involved. and “ust in terms of the i authorities involved. and “ust in terms of the basic i authorities involved. and just in terms of the basic details i authorities involved. and just in terms of the basic details you i authorities involved. and just in i terms of the basic details you know in new york, just take us through it. they were at this event. we have seen the official pictures, the event was on tuesday night, and these were in the hours after the ceremony, wasn't it? this ceremony “ust to ceremony, wasn't it? this ceremony just to remind _ ceremony, wasn't it? this ceremony just to remind people _ ceremony, wasn't it? this ceremony just to remind people watching, i ceremony, wasn't it? this ceremony just to remind people watching, this} just to remind people watching, this was the 2023 women of vision awards, celebrating generations of progress and power. that was the event. the duchess of sussex was there, honoured as one of this year's women of vision awards for her global advocacy to empower women and girls and we believe this incident happened after. there are lots of videos on social media showing them arriving and they did have a lot of security with them and there was lots of paparazzi. we believe this happened after they left when they

were heading towards a location, we don't know exactly where they were going of course, they keep where they are staying incredibly private for obvious reasons. but it did happen after that event had finished. ., ., ., ~ , ., finished. nomia iqbal, thank you very much- _ finished. nomia iqbal, thank you very much- let _ finished. nomia iqbal, thank you very much. let me _ finished. nomia iqbal, thank you very much. let me bring - finished. nomia iqbal, thank you very much. let me bring in - finished. nomia iqbal, thank you very much. let me bring in the l very much. let me bring in the author of prince harry, the inside story. thank you, duncan, for being with us on bbc news. just to pick up on what we have learned from our correspondence, you have read the statement, but in terms of the royal couple, they recalibrated their whole life moving from the uk, do you think it is entirely likely that there is going to have to be a certain recalibration of what life looks like in the united states as well? if you ask anyone in journalism they will tell you that la is actually probably the paparazzi capital of the world. i know this happened, as i say, in new

york. yes, ithink know this happened, as i say, in new york. yes, i think this cannot... how on earth can we sleep at night as journalists how on earth can we sleep at night asjournalists if we how on earth can we sleep at night as journalists if we know that something we did might have influenced, the person we were trying to get a picture of, actually dying, which was the case with princess diana. paparazzi photographers are freelancers, they don't work specifically or directly for newspapers. but i certainly think, and i'm sure there wouldn't have been, but if there were any newspaper photographers involved in this game of cat and mouse that harry outlines, they will be very, very worried right now because this i think will not go away. this will be analysed and questions will be asked and people will be held to account. , , asked and people will be held to account. g , , ., account. just in terms of the tabloids that _ account. just in terms of the tabloids that we _ account. just in terms of the tabloids that we read - account. just in terms of the tabloids that we read every l account. just in terms of the i tabloids that we read every day account. just in terms of the - tabloids that we read every day and see the images in, i know it is a rough figure i am asking, but what

are the rough proportion of the pictures that we see that come from paparazzi and what proportion come from the official photographers you were just referencing? from the official photographers you werejust referencing? i from the official photographers you were just referencing? i think that's quite difficult to answer because obviously if they are at the event, the official people are there, if they step outside and head home it won't be the official people. home it won't be the official --eole. �* , home it won't be the official --eole.�* _ ., people. and by officiali mean - ro erl people. and by officiali mean properly regulated _ people. and by official i mean - properly regulated photographers that work for publications, that applies in america as much as it doesin applies in america as much as it does in britain. that is quite a hard one. i would be guessing if i answered that. but what i would say, let's face it, as i think earlier on your show your knowledge, the reality of what is different now than in 1997 when diana died is the whole world is paparazzi, we all carry cameras, we all take pictures, and a couple like harry and meghan are going to be fighting a losing battle if they want to try and stop people taking their picture. but i

think that the tactics by which the use will have to change. i suppose the thought _ use will have to change. i suppose the thought behind _ use will have to change. i suppose the thought behind the _ use will have to change. i suppose the thought behind the question i use will have to change. i suppose i the thought behind the question was that you are referencing the sort of agreement that prince william had come to a few years ago. it is whether you can have loose agreements, but whether there is any real enforcement that is actually happening within the industry. the happening within the industry. iie: agreement happening within the industry. i“i;e: agreement is happening within the industry. iie: agreement is based on trust stand that only worked for me as royal editor of the sun because i knew i could trust what the palace was saying. they said do not track these pictures with a barge pole but unfortunately the relationship with the press has been broken down so badly with harry since he moved to america. it's a simple question of, who do you phone to say what actually happened last night? i have been given these photographs and we want to use them but can we use

them? it is a two—way street