good morning. sick of the sewage? if you're sitting down with a coffee at the moment, he if you're sitting down with a coffee at the moment, be mindful of our conversation. today england's water companies have said sorry over the sewage spills in our rivers and seas. sorry about the upset and anger. and sorry that they didn't act sooner. are the companies believe it or are they doing their best? —— are they full of it? because last year, raw sewage was dumped into england's rivers and seas for 1.75 million hours —

that's 825 times a day on average. are you a surfer, bather, fisherman, fisherman�*s friend? scorching days are coming. it is free and fun, head to the coast, have a debt. a dip in what? the companies have now pledged £10 billion to put things right. but they say it could mean higher bills. it is it all their fault? it is it all theirfault? sewage systems designed by victorian gentlemen in top hats? are we our own worst enemies? are you sick of the sewage? get in touch.

it is going to be a good voyage of discovery. now for the news, read by bethan holmes. water companies in england have apologised for not doing enough to stop sewage from flowing into rivers and seas. they say they'll spend £10—billion this decade on modernising sewers — 3 times more than under current plans. but that investment will lead to higher bills. bt is cutting up to 55,000 jobs by the end of the decade as it seeks to cut costs. the chief exec philipjansen says by the end of the 2020s bt will have a "much smaller workforce". royal mail has posted an annual operating loss of £419—million. the company has blamed long running industrial action about pay and conditions. and polling stations have opened in local elections in northern ireland. voters are choosing a62 councillors for 11 local authorities.

are you sick of the sewage? summer 2022 dozens of beaches were closed due to high levels of toxic waste, unspeakable stuff floating by and many more may have been in that situation but were untested. critics say it is happening far too often. and swimming in water with untreated sewage, there are severe health consequences to that, you can kill wildlife and it can cause respiratory, skin, ear and eye infections. but the way we live, with powerjets and tarmac, more and more water, more and more drinking

water will flow into sewers, so... are we blameless in all of this? ruth kelly is the chair of water uk, which represents england's nine water companies and she spoke to nag on bbc breakfast this morning. in the bbc breakfast this morning. in the ast these bbc breakfast this morning. in the past these sorts _ bbc breakfast this morning. in the past these sorts of _ bbc breakfast this morning. in the past these sorts of overflows - bbc breakfast this morning. in the past these sorts of overflows were i past these sorts of overflows were completely permitted in legislation, just because it is legal does not make it the right thing to do. water companies want to start listening heavily in this area and it is a radical transformation programme we are proposing today.— are proposing today. who's going to -a for are proposing today. who's going to pay for the? — are proposing today. who's going to pay for the? the _ are proposing today. who's going to pay for the? the way _ are proposing today. who's going to pay for the? the way it _ are proposing today. who's going to pay for the? the way it works - are proposing today. who's going to pay for the? the way it works as - are proposing today. who's going to pay for the? the way it works as we | pay for the? the way it works as we ask shareholders _ pay for the? the way it works as we ask shareholders to _ pay for the? the way it works as we ask shareholders to put _ pay for the? the way it works as we ask shareholders to put down - pay for the? the way it works as we ask shareholders to put down a - pay for the? the way it works as we | ask shareholders to put down a down payment, a multi—billion pound down payment, a multi—billion pound down payment and starting to fix this problem... payment and starting to fix this problem- - -_ problem... how much of the 10 billion more _ problem... how much of the 10 billion more that _ problem... how much of the 10 billion more that cover? - billion more that cover? shareholders will put down all of the ten billion and more beyond that, but over time, the way the system works is that there will be modest upward pressure on customer bills over the full lifetime of the

asset, so over 50 years or perhaps even longer, may be up to 100 years, customers to contribute, so that its investment programme... why should customers pay — investment programme... why should customers pay over _ investment programme... why should customers pay over the _ investment programme... why should customers pay over the next - investment programme... why should customers pay over the next century l customers pay over the next century for what water companies are pumping into our seas and rivers? if you wanted to _ into our seas and rivers? if you wanted to invest _ into our seas and rivers? if you wanted to invest in _ into our seas and rivers? if you wanted to invest in house, - into our seas and rivers? if you wanted to invest in house, you| into our seas and rivers? if you - wanted to invest in house, you have to borrow to invest and get a mortgage and pay that back... if the house was solidly _ mortgage and pay that back... if the house was solidly built, _ mortgage and pay that back... if the house was solidly built, absolutely, completely agree with you common but not to pay for sewage that should not to pay for sewage that should not be pumped into our rivers and seas. if not be pumped into our rivers and seas. , ., not be pumped into our rivers and seas. y., not be pumped into our rivers and seas. i. ., ., . ., seas. if you look at the financial performance — seas. if you look at the financial performance of _ seas. if you look at the financial performance of water _ seas. if you look at the financial i performance of water companies, sometimes it's not what is portrayed in the media. to be fair, three of the water companies actually lost money last year. on the whole, on average, they return to shareholders last year was only just a bit average, they return to shareholders last year was onlyjust a bit more than you get any deposit account if you put your savings in there, less than an average person we get from an investment account. so to provide shareholders with some sort of

return over the long term, we are very conscious of the upper potential pressure on customer bills, the cost of living pressures are right at the heart of our plan, we understand how important it is to do this efficiently but we think customers expect investment to be made and we want to be held to account for achieving the transformation. some very good questions there. ruth kelly representing the nine water companies from the uk. the situation is not great in the rest of the uk. let's get on some speakers. hello, izzy, and jamie professor of physical geography at the university of manchester. stephen and david, let's go with you first. i’m

let's go with you first. i'm absolutely _ let's go with you first. i'm absolutely livid. _ let's go with you first. i'm absolutely livid. i - let's go with you first. i'm absolutely livid. i am - let's go with you first. i�*m absolutely livid. i am absolutely livid. £72 billion paid out to dividend shareholders of water companies over the last 30 years is the equivalent of three and a half percent of britain's national debt, which means that these people effectively are stealing and adding 0.1% of our national debt and slightly more year—on—year. we have to stop this today and nationalise them today and kick them out of this industry, because they have mismanaged it, poisoned all our rivers, poisoning our seas at a time when we need to fight climate change. when we need to fight climate chan . e. ~ . when we need to fight climate chance. ~ ., .,, when we need to fight climate chance. ~ ., , , change. we are, as the punters, the drinkers, change. we are, as the punters, the drinkers. the — change. we are, as the punters, the drinkers, the swimmers _ change. we are, as the punters, the drinkers, the swimmers and - change. we are, as the punters, thej drinkers, the swimmers and surfers, we are collectively as a society putting more water into the sewage system than ever before. it is the way we live, affluence brings effluents. way we live, affluence brings effluents-— way we live, affluence brings effluents. ~ , , , ., effluents. well, yes, but look at the population _ effluents. well, yes, but look at the population rise _ effluents. well, yes, but look at the population rise in _ effluents. well, yes, but look at the population rise in this - the population rise in this country since 1977, we have not had one

single large—scale reservoir in this country fell and the population has gone up by 1a million and we have an additional 700,000 people coming to live in this countryjust in the last 12 months, that is why we use more water. last 12 months, that is why we use more water-— last 12 months, that is why we use more water. stephen in chester... sor i more water. stephen in chester... sorry i got — more water. stephen in chester... sorry i got your — more water. stephen in chester... sorry i got your place _ more water. stephen in chester... sorry i got your place wrong, - more water. stephen in chester... | sorry i got your place wrong, david. no problem. sorry i got your place wrong, david. no problem-— no problem. good, we are all right with each other. _ no problem. good, we are all right with each other. thanks _ no problem. good, we are all right with each other. thanks for - no problem. good, we are all right with each other. thanks for getting in touch, what is going on? in with each other. thanks for getting in touch, what is going on?- in touch, what is going on? in the early 1990s _ in touch, what is going on? in the early 1990s when _ in touch, what is going on? in the early 1990s when the _ in touch, what is going on? in the early 1990s when the water - in touch, what is going on? in true: early 1990s when the water companies were privatised they wanted to know what they were buying, what assets they were going to own, and they suggested an asset management programme, there was a complete survey done of the water systems within the utility area, and i spent

two years in the early 90s surveying nearly 200 storm water overflows for one of the big utility companies, and i produced a report for everyone and i produced a report for everyone and everyone was inadequate, allowing more sewage to enter local water sources, allowing more sewage to enter local watersources, rivers allowing more sewage to enter local water sources, rivers and streams, and that was 30 years ago. there is no excuse for this.— no excuse for this. that's interesting _ no excuse for this. that's interesting that - no excuse for this. that's interesting that you - no excuse for this. that's interesting that you were j no excuse for this. that's - interesting that you were involved over the years and all those years ago as well. you saw this coming towards us?— ago as well. you saw this coming towards us? ~ , ., _ , , towards us? well, yeah, the systems of this country _ towards us? well, yeah, the systems of this country are _ towards us? well, yeah, the systems of this country are very _ towards us? well, yeah, the systems of this country are very old, - towards us? well, yeah, the systems of this country are very old, they - of this country are very old, they are antiquated.

the problem is the systems are old and they allow foul water into the system. you then spend a fortune separating them. so, yeah... thank ou for separating them. so, yeah... thank you foryour— separating them. so, yeah... thank you for your expertise _ separating them. so, yeah... thank you for your expertise on _ separating them. so, yeah... thank you for your expertise on that. - you for your expertise on that. anyone else, get in touch, call or text. we are asking are you sick of the sewage? what have you seen? let's get some eyewitness accounts to this, your own experiences. we person pretty grim stuff over the last few months as well. as the saudi from the water company is a sorry apology or not? do you get it? would you be prepared to pay more for cleaner water?

would you be prepared to pay more for cleanerwater? izzy, would you be prepared to pay more for cleaner water? izzy, campaigns manager at surfers against sewage, welcome, how bad is it out there, down there? it welcome, how bad is it out there, down there?— welcome, how bad is it out there, down there? , , down there? it is bad across the uk. we see it down _ down there? it is bad across the uk. we see it down in _ down there? it is bad across the uk. we see it down in cornwall, - down there? it is bad across the uk. we see it down in cornwall, we - we see it down in cornwall, we stayed in wales, northern ireland, scotland and the north, there is raw sewage discharging onto our beaches and our rivers every day, every day of the year, over 700, 800 times a day in fact. we talk about maybe knowing about this for 30 years, the water companies knowing about it, they are doing more than knowing about it, they are actively doing it, actively releasing this raw sewage overflow into our beaches and rivers across the country where we play, swim, like to relax, people are getting sick because of it. hope are getting sick because of it. how did we aet are getting sick because of it. how did we get here? _ are getting sick because of it. how did we get here? how do you believe we got to the situation? weill.

did we get here? how do you believe we got to the situation?— we got to the situation? well, the water companies _ we got to the situation? well, the water companies have _ we got to the situation? well, the water companies have essentially| water companies have essentially been neglecting their statutory duties and obligations to maintain a safe sewage network for us. when we say the population has increased, there is more pressure on the water and sewerage network because of things like climate change, but they have a duty to keep updating their infrastructure, to keep up with this. instead of doing that they have been paying out billions of pounds to their shareholders and millions of pounds in bonuses to their ceos for a pat on the back and a job well done for wrecking our environment.— a job well done for wrecking our environment. what have you seen ourself environment. what have you seen yourself as _ environment. what have you seen yourself as a _ environment. what have you seen yourself as a surfer? _ environment. what have you seen yourself as a surfer? give - environment. what have you seen yourself as a surfer? give us - environment. what have you seen yourself as a surfer? give us an i yourself as a surfer? give us an idea of a kind of the stuff you have seen floating around?— seen floating around? yeah, it's re seen floating around? yeah, it's pretty disgusting- _ seen floating around? yeah, it's pretty disgusting. i— seen floating around? yeah, it's pretty disgusting. i always - seen floating around? yeah, it's pretty disgusting. i always use l seen floating around? yeah, it's pretty disgusting. i always use a 3pp pretty disgusting. i always use a app to check before i go... we have

an app that gives everyone in the uk near to live alerts on sewage overflows opening at their beaches, so it is a way to keep yourself safe when you want to enter the water to make sure you're not exposing yourself to raw sewage, but the other day, rain came down mid surf and half an hour later we saw grey bubbly murky water and a horrid sewage smell and i looked on my app when i got out and thought, yeah, there is the sewage. it is disgusting, it covers you. $55 i disgusting, it covers you. as i said, if you're _ disgusting, it covers you. as i said, if you're having - disgusting, it covers you. as i said, if you're having a - disgusting, it covers you. as i said, if you're having a bit of breakfast or a cup of tea, bear in mind the nature of our conversation. it's not good, is disgusting. did you just get out the water immediatelyyes, so once we kind of saw what it was, i got out, but the

damage is already done, it's all over you, sewage discharges are not always visible, you cannot always smell them, you might not know when you are actually swimming about in raw sewage, that is a real danger. we saw last year over 700 people submit sickness reports to us, 55% of those sickness cases were from excellent rated beaches across the uk, and that's people vomiting, getting eye and ear infections, utis, kidney infections, all sorts. the health indications are serious and for wildlife and for our marine equal systems —— health implications. they should have fixed the problem is from the beginning, otherwise we would not be in the state we are in now. egg response to this, so it should never have been going into rivers or the sea, and we should not pay more just so they

water companies stop putting sewage into our rivers and seas. that is insane! it is insane, we have to pay them to make something that better that they should have been doing all along? ! that's from cad and then edinburgh, thank you very much. calls coming in in droves. jamie woodward, professor of physical geography at the university of manchester, is this particularly newif so, what has made it so much worse? , , ., ., , .,, , worse? this is not a new problem but what is really — worse? this is not a new problem but what is really interesting _ worse? this is not a new problem but what is really interesting about - worse? this is not a new problem but what is really interesting about the i what is really interesting about the water uk announcement today is they've announced they are going to reduce bills by 140,000 per year, so within the space of about 2030, nate admitted that within seven years they can stop the problem. the water industry has told us for decades the

victorian infrastructure is an impossible problem to solve, and have announced today it is solvable in the space of seven years, so all the deflection we've had from the water industry over the last decade... it has been a lot of hot air. privatisation was 1989, we are on the fifth decade of privatisation. this argue about victorian sewer systems is waiting very very thin indeed. the money has beenin very very thin indeed. the money has been in the system to tackle this problem on this problem should have been tacking titles ago, so the investment announced today should have happened decades ago and we should not be where we are now, where the state of our rivers is absolutely dire. 0nly14% of our rivers in england have good ecological status, and that's down from 27% in 2010, so we basically had a lost decade where we've seen our environment degraded and we've seen sewage discharges increased and it's a total failure of regulation. to what extent is industrial farming with the phosphates and nitrates and

animal waste affecting the state of our rivers? ., ., ., our rivers? pollution from agriculture _ our rivers? pollution from agriculture and _ our rivers? pollution from agriculture and sewage i our rivers? pollution from - agriculture and sewage pollution from water companies, there is to measure culprits for the deterioration of our rivers, so if you go to rural wales on the river wye where there is a horrendous problem with industrial scale chicken farming, huge volumes of nutrients going into rivers there which are over fertilising rivers, eating up all the oxygen in those river systems. you go into the urban environments, the dominant problems sewage pollution. so they are the victor problems, both of those problems are solvable. the environment agency, who is the body responsible for monitoring rivers, their budget was slashed by liz truss, their monitoring budget was slashed in half so they lost the capacity to keep a tab, agriculture was doing and what the water companies were doing. bud was doing and what the water companies were doing. and with the bill to scrap — companies were doing. and with the bill to scrap all— companies were doing. and with the bill to scrap all the _ companies were doing. and with the bill to scrap all the eu _ companies were doing. and with the bill to scrap all the eu laws - bill to scrap all the eu laws wholesale, people are pointing this out as well, there has been some

pull—back on that but there are a number of people on the tory side of the house of commons who won an absolute bonfire of these legal vanities, as they see them. including eu bathing water directive and the water framework directive, both of which protect swimmers and wildlife from water pollution. there is a row there as well. let's go with alison in penzance. good morning. with alison in penzance. good morninu. with alison in penzance. good mornin., ., with alison in penzance. good morninu. ., ., ., morning. good morning, how are you? but i'm morning. good morning, how are you? itut i'm struggling _ morning. good morning, how are you? itut i'm struggling my _ morning. good morning, how are you? but i'm struggling my way _ morning. good morning, how are you? but i'm struggling my way through - but i'm struggling my way through this, it is not nice at all. what this, it is not nice at all. what have you _ this, it is not nice at all. what have you seen? _ this, it is not nice at all. what have you seen? i _ this, it is not nice at all. what have you seen? i texted - this, it is not nice at all. what have you seen? i texted you | this, it is not nice at all. what - have you seen? i texted you because one of my work _ have you seen? i texted you because one of my work colleagues _ have you seen? i texted you because one of my work colleagues and - have you seen? i texted you because one of my work colleagues and his i one of my work colleagues and his wife went swimming off the coast of torquay last summer and they got very ill and they discovered from going to the hospital that they had got desultory and i just couldn't believe that, i thought that was something you get in india ——

dysentery, and i could not believe they got that from swimming in the uk. ~ , ., ., uk. where they are where at the time there was some _ uk. where they are where at the time there was some nasty _ uk. where they are where at the time there was some nasty stuff— uk. where they are where at the time there was some nasty stuff in - uk. where they are where at the time there was some nasty stuff in there? | there was some nasty stuff in there? no, they were not.— no, they were not. that's interesting, _ no, they were not. that's interesting, so _ no, they were not. that's interesting, so it's - no, they were not. that's interesting, so it's not. no, they were not. that's - interesting, so it's not always visible or detectable... ida. interesting, so it's not always visible or detectable... no, they were completely _ visible or detectable... no, they were completely unaware - visible or detectable... no, they were completely unaware of - visible or detectable... no, they were completely unaware of it. | visible or detectable... no, they l were completely unaware of it. he had to be off work for several months. so, yeah, ijust couldn't believe you could get dysentery from swimming off the coast in devon. izzy coming on that one, dysentery of the coast of devon... unfortunately it does happen around the country. as i said, you cannot always _ the country. as i said, you cannot always see, — the country. as i said, you cannot always see, there is no visible indicator— always see, there is no visible indicator or smell of sewage sometimes, and we have seen very similar— sometimes, and we have seen very similar reports of people getting very sick— similar reports of people getting very sick and having to be in hospital— very sick and having to be in hospital for weeks at a time, having

extended _ hospital for weeks at a time, having extended periods of time off work. it extended periods of time off work. it has _ extended periods of time off work. it has a _ extended periods of time off work. it has a massive effect on people's hell, _ it has a massive effect on people's hell. a _ it has a massive effect on people's hell, a massive effect on their income — hell, a massive effect on their income and the economy as well —— on people's— income and the economy as well —— on people's health. a very serious problem — people's health. a very serious roblem. ., ., people's health. a very serious roblem. ., . , people's health. a very serious roblem. ., ., , ., problem. how are your friends now? the are problem. how are your friends now? they are ok — problem. how are your friends now? they are ok but _ problem. how are your friends now? they are ok but he _ problem. how are your friends now? they are ok but he said _ problem. how are your friends now? they are ok but he said even - problem. how are your friends now? they are ok but he said even i - problem. how are your friends now? they are ok but he said even i think| they are ok but he said even i think about three months after he was being treated for dysentery said he is still so weak that i can't walk up my is still so weak that i can't walk up my own staircase. he is young, in his 40s, and he was perfectly fit before this happened. i bet his 40s, and he was perfectly fit before this happened.— his 40s, and he was perfectly fit before this happened. i bet he would like to be any — before this happened. i bet he would like to be any room _ before this happened. i bet he would like to be any room and _ before this happened. i bet he would like to be any room and have - before this happened. i bet he would like to be any room and have a - before this happened. i bet he would like to be any room and have a cup i like to be any room and have a cup of tea and a civilised conversation with ruth kelly who represents the water companies. i wonder what he would say to her.— would say to her. down here in cornwall. _ would say to her. down here in cornwall. my _ would say to her. down here in cornwall, my family, _ would say to her. down here in cornwall, my family, we - would say to her. down here in cornwall, my family, we have. would say to her. down here in - cornwall, my family, we have stop swimming in the sea, we don't trust any more, we won't go in the sea. what a sorry state for this island

nation that you don't trust the sea any more. it is around us, beautiful sea cut every time i go to the beach or seaside or a or a seaside town i kind of smell and gold that is what it is about, that is the essence of life, that wonderful smell coming of the sea, something that lifts the spirits, but then their squares mac! yes, i grew up reading connell and i always love the sea and our environment hereby will not go in the sea any more —— i grew up in cornwall. the sea any more -- i grew up in cornwall-— cornwall. that is so depressing. thank you. _ cornwall. that is so depressing. thank you. all— cornwall. that is so depressing. thank you, all the _ cornwall. that is so depressing. thank you, all the best - cornwall. that is so depressing. thank you, all the best to - cornwall. that is so depressing. thank you, all the best to you l cornwall. that is so depressing. i thank you, all the best to you and to yield per friends as well. all of her, kevin, good morning. what do you say? i her, kevin, good morning. what do ou sa ? ., ., ., �* ., you say? i am outraged. bear with me as i lose control. _ you say? i am outraged. bear with me as i lose control. i _ you say? i am outraged. bear with me as i lose control. i would _ you say? i am outraged. bear with me as i lose control. i would like - you say? i am outraged. bear with me as i lose control. i would like to - as i lose control. i would like to thank the bbc for highlighting this

important issue. we would not get this information or dissection about this information or dissection about this ridiculous behaviour of the water companies from independent radio or television because the water companies advertise with them... , ., , them... let me defend my colleagues on the independent _ them... let me defend my colleagues on the independent radio _ them... let me defend my colleagues on the independent radio and - on the independent radio and television. many of whom are brilliant professionals. they are brilliant professionals. they are brilliant and i have seen this coverage, so i don't think there is that particular nexus you are talking about. that aside, what about the general situation? weill. about the general situation? well, i'm about the general situation? well, im outraged. _ about the general situation? well, im outraged. i — about the general situation? well, i'm outraged, i basically _ about the general situation? -ii i'm outraged, i basically cancelled my direct debit to the water companies that does, well, doesn't serve me. i did this morning. everyone has highlighted... i live in london, so i don't go to the seaside, but the whole situation is outrageous. profits over service. to

give you a simple example that can actually illustrate... i analyse my bill fairly carefully and the water company that serves me, they charge me for money, for water coming into my house, they charge me per cubic litre of water and they charge me the same amount per water going out of my house, so they charge less for it going out, waste that is... some water doesn't go out. some of the... waters the plants, it doesn't all go out, basically. they charge you for every cubic metre that comes in. that is a little extra money for them. , ., that is a little extra money for them. ,., ~ ., that is a little extra money for them. ~' ., . that is a little extra money for them. ~ ., ., . ., them. do you know what? what you sa , what them. do you know what? what you say. what we _ them. do you know what? what you say, what we have _ them. do you know what? what you say, what we have heard _ them. do you know what? what you say, what we have heard so - them. do you know what? what you say, what we have heard so far, - say, what we have heard so far, there is a lot of text so far, let

me give you a couple... thank you so much. this one, why should the public have to pay to rectify the problem? the burden should be for the shareholders who are taking money out the public purse for years. it is overwhelmingly... that is the nub of what people are saying. that is the burden of people this morning. i live near windermere, it has a permanent sludge of sewage building on the bottom and may never recover. that from bob in cumbria. clean air and clear waters of ebay the bare minimum expectation of the environment we live, breathe and swimming. we so far from that. here is a question, what doesjohn swimming. we so far from that. here is a question, what doesjothoe from reading say? good morning. giorno stop i’m from reading say? good morning. giorno stop— from reading say? good morning. giorno sto_ �* , , , .,~ giorno stop i'm sorry, my mistake, jono. giorno stop i'm sorry, my mistake, jono- what — giorno stop i'm sorry, my mistake, jono. what have _ giorno stop i'm sorry, my mistake, jono. what have you _ giorno stop i'm sorry, my mistake, jono. what have you seen? - giorno stop i'm sorry, my mistake, jono. what have you seen? last. jono. what have you seen? last summer my _ jono. what have you seen? last summer my other— jono. what have you seen? last summer my other half- jono. what have you seen? last

summer my other half and i decided to have a well earned trip to the seaside, classic stuff, we wentjust down the coast from chichester and you down the coast from chichester and wu pay down the coast from chichester and you pay to get into west wittering, they have some lovely facilities and beach there, we settled down with the old blankets and wind breakers and intended to have a little paddle, maybe, but! and intended to have a little paddle, maybe, but i went up to the sea and you can see a sort of yellowy brown froth on the sand and i did not like the look of it. it is not that inviting. but all around me there are kids playing... it is not that inviting. but all around me there are kids playing. . ._ there are kids playing... it is not that inviting... _ there are kids playing... it is not that inviting... it _ there are kids playing... it is not that inviting... it is _ there are kids playing... it is not that inviting... it is brown - there are kids playing... it is not that inviting... it is brown froth, | that inviting... it is brown froth, beautiful, jono, british understatement.- beautiful, jono, british understatement. �* , understatement. i'm being polite. you don't need _ understatement. i'm being polite. you don't need to _ understatement. i'm being polite. you don't need to be. _ understatement. i'm being polite. you don't need to be. i'm - understatement. i'm being polite. you don't need to be. i'm live - understatement. i'm being polite. you don't need to be. i'm live on | you don't need to be. i'm live on air so i'm — you don't need to be. i'm live on air so i'm aware... _ you don't need to be. i'm live on air so i'm aware... i _ you don't need to be. i'm live on air so i'm aware... i walked - you don't need to be. i'm live on

air so i'm aware... i walked up . you don't need to be. i'm live on l air so i'm aware... i walked up and down, iwas air so i'm aware... i walked up and down, i was up to my ankles in the water and i could see kids playing in it, like a seat on throwing watery each other, just what they've been doing playing with the football and i could see that it wasn'tjust sand that these kids were covered in, it was a yellow stain up their legs and up their arms and then i looked down at my feet and i was equally stained by this yellow... film, for want of a better word. and then you look and concentrate on the water, it was very still, but wet wipes, clearly you can see floaters that you would associate with the contents of your toilet, other detritus that you would not expect to see and i went back to my deckchair with my yellow feet and i

looked online and sure enough there was some warning on a local social media website saying they are pumping out raw sewage up the coast at chichester. apparently it is an off coast arrangement, i don't know how it all works, but several kilometres off the coast, but the amount of the raw sewage being pumped out apparently for the last several days just came in on the nextin several days just came in on the next in were tide and was literally just all along the beach, and sure enough, as the tide turned again and i watched it, you saw more towels, sanitary towels, condoms, all floating back in to the sea, onto the beach as the tide was coming back in. is the beach as the tide was coming back in. , ., the beach as the tide was coming backin. ,., ,, back in. is a political issue as well, back in. is a political issue as well. i'm _ back in. is a political issue as well, i'm tempted _ back in. is a political issue as well, i'm tempted to - back in. is a political issue as well, i'm tempted to say. - back in. is a political issue as| well, i'm tempted to say. this back in. is a political issue as - well, i'm tempted to say. this may affect a lot of floating voters as well. affect a lot of floating voters as well-- jamie. _ affect a lot of floating voters as well.- jamie, professor| affect a lot of floating voters as i well.- jamie, professor of well. indeed. jamie, professor of -h sical well. indeed. jamie, professor of physical geography _

well. indeed. jamie, professor of physical geography at _ well. indeed. jamie, professor of physical geography at the - well. indeed. jamie, professor of. physical geography at the university of manchester, jono should not have to leave the sea with yellow feet. alison from penzance there will not go into the sea. she is never afraid to go into the sea. what will become of the great british seaside holiday unless they sort this out, jamie? all those stories are appalling. i was on the river tyne two days ago looking at literally thousands of wet wipes on the bed of the river, so we all have a responsibility not to flush the stuff down the toilet but there are very vivid illustration of how much raw sewage, untreated sewage is actually dumped by the water companies on our beaches and in our rivers, and it is a real and present danger to public health. , ., . health. devon and kevin in northampton. _ health. devon and kevin in northampton. thank- health. devon and kevin in northampton. thank you l health. devon and kevin in i northampton. thank you both health. devon and kevin in - northampton. thank you both for getting in touch this morning. it is a little bit of a horror show this morning, my apologies, but it is what is going on in our seas, rivers. what's going on in devon?

well, i represent a life—saving organisation that provides lifeguards are the country and for the first time we are now considering using ourflood rescue volunteer policies into our life—saving policies because of the risk of contamination, the risk of them having eye infections, ear infections, it's becoming very real. and we need to do something about it to make sure volunteers are safe, using our decontamination processes we learn from the flood disaster now starting to slowly drip into our normal operations, and if you see discharge, we have to give advice and keep our volunteers say. can you live us and keep our volunteers say. can you give us some — and keep our volunteers say. can you give us some examples _ and keep our volunteers say. can you give us some examples of— and keep our volunteers say. can you give us some examples of what - and keep our volunteers say. can you give us some examples of what you | give us some examples of what you have encountered and what you had to deal withwe know there is bacterial content always in the ocean at some level... b. content always in the ocean at some level... �* ., .,, content always in the ocean at some level... �* ., ,

level... a low level in most cases. we see the _ level... a low level in most cases. we see the level _ level... a low level in most cases. we see the level start _ level... a low level in most cases. we see the level start to - level... a low level in most cases. j we see the level start to increase. we see the level start to increase. we can see simple things like eye infection... for in the last ten years because of that, a serious illness from being in the water. so we know it is real and we know also from bacterial content that can stay in the gut and stay in the body for a very long time, so there is a significant risk to health and we know the big blue a great way of improving mental health and body and mind and everything else, so we want to be able to enjoy and want people to be able to enjoy and want people to enjoy it, but the risk is now that the very people who keep you safe in the water, whether it is a river or the ocean, a lot of us are being put at risk. i do welcome the advice that has come out, but it needs to go a little bit further, but also we need to balance the

discussion, the public need to be aware of what they are doing, the gentleman said before about the only thing that should go down the toilet is hoop, be on paper, so we should follow that advice and that will reduce the problem we are starting to see. poo, pee and paper, good rule. people putting wet wipes down the loo, unacceptable. brute people putting wet wipes down the loo, unacceptable.— loo, unacceptable. we know the evidence from _ loo, unacceptable. we know the evidence from that. _ loo, unacceptable. we know the evidence from that. your- loo, unacceptable. we know the evidence from that. your gas . loo, unacceptable. we know the l evidence from that. your gas this morning have already talked about that —— guests. we can take basic responsibility doing the basics very well. it is our way of contributing towards the water companies and they start contributing towards us. there is a balance, we can help, but they need to do more, that would be great. i welcome the response. it is a sad indicative problem. you mentioned at the start of the programme about when we had

concrete, water has to go somewhere... concrete, water has to go somewhere. . ._ concrete, water has to go - somewhere. . .- really good somewhere... tarmac. really good statistic from _ somewhere... tarmac. really good statistic from america _ somewhere... tarmac. really good statistic from america that - somewhere... tarmac. really good statistic from america that says - somewhere... tarmac. really good statistic from america that says for| statistic from america that says for every square kilometre of concrete we add, it holds about... where is it going to go? the industrial agricultural waste and car battery, flood situation, oil and fuel and everything in kitchen, where is it going? significant ongoing risk. with climate change. definitely we had the warning yesterday about 1.5 going up, going to have much hotter summers with significant rainfall, hotspot rainfall, that is going to be a problem. we know. we have seen muddy water coming out from the discharge and that is a really indicative situation of the water being contaminated at some level. the risk of climate change and increased problems we are going to be getting, we need to manage this

well and plan notjust for today but for the next 30, 40, 50 years. brilliant stuff, adrian endeavoured representing the volunteer lifeguards in the community. —— in devon. i'm going to come to kevin. first, the news and sport. i want to give you a thames water statement. i am going to have to read it possibly not terribly well, quite long. let me do this. we are pleased to be part of thejoined me do this. we are pleased to be part of the joined up approach to tackle the issues around river health and sewage discharges announced today by water uk. taking care of our precious water resources has to be a team effort. we will be able to tackle this problem faster together. the discharge of untreated sewage is unacceptable and it is understandable why the public are demanding more from water companies to do better. we recently announced our plans to invest £1.6 billion on sewage treatment works and networks over the next two years and we are

striving to reduce discharge of untreated sewage into rivers. the beginning of the year, we published an online map providing close to real—time information about stone discharges from all of our 468 permitted conditions and this continues to be updated —— storm discharges. despite this progress, there are no quick fixes. population growth will increase the strain on sewage networks and treatment centres and because of climate change the south—east of england is experiencing heavier downpours which can overwhelm some sewage treatment works. the scale of the challenge demands urgent and systemic reform with a shared undertaking from all stakeholders. i got there. will the water companies get there? more to come.

here is the news. water companies in england have promised to invest £10 billion to stop sewage flowing into rivers and seas. but the investment will result in higher bills for customers. companies have also apologised for failing to tackle the problem. bt is cutting up to 55,000 jobs by the end of the decade — which is around 40% of its workforce. it says it'll need fewer staff once its fibre broadband roll—out and mobile networks are complete. royal mail says postal strikes were partly to blame for its heavy financial losses in the year to the end of march. it made an operating loss of £419 million. and the polls are open in local elections in northern ireland. 462 councillor seats are up for grabs across 11 local authorities.

those were the new headlines. now the sport. they outclassed the holders with a 4-0 they outclassed the holders with a 4—0 when on the night, booking the spotin 4—0 when on the night, booking the spot in the final next month against milan. coventry boss has admitted he suffered through the longest two hours of his life yesterday as his side broke through against middlesbrough to win the play—off. coventry face luton in the final next saturday at wembley. chelsea's pursuit of a fourth title on the bounce is in their hands. they beat west ham leaving them two points clear of manchester united. us open champion matt fitzpatrick says he is looking forward to tackling a brute of a golf course, the us pga

championship starts today. live text coverage on the bbc sport website from one o'clock this afternoon. more on sewage and our waterways and beautiful rivers and inspiring sees at ten. leave harry and meghan alone. the duke and duchess of sussex, and her mother, involved

in a "near catastrophic" car chase involving paparazzi in new york. manhattan chase. 0n manhattan chase. on tuesday. this was the spokesperson who said this. she said, "i have never experienced their vulnerability as much as i did last night. they were incredibly scared and shaken up." you can imagine it from harry's perspective given what happened to his mother and what he has gone through. not pleasant. catastrophic? i don't know what you think about that. the incident would have been incredibly triggering. new york police officials have played down the incident describing it as a bit of a chaotic scene and as always the couple's critics are right on it especially after prince harry told all in his bestselling book, hypocrites rather than rounded? i don't know. we will find out what you think. craving the quiet life but stepping into the limelight and

complaining... that doesn't matter, just basic decency and humanity which seems to be sorely missing when the paparazzi smell blood. your thoughts on this welcome. is it time to leave them be, let them live their lives free of this nonsense? 08085 909693. 85058. that is at ten o'clock. 0ur rivers and seas are inspirational, think of what they have inspired, poetry, songs, writing, but look what is in them. that is the point. tessa, from rivers trust, coming soon. kevin in northampton has been waiting, good

morning. what do you think about the water companies saying, we are going to fix it? i water companies saying, we are going to fix it? ., , water companies saying, we are going to fix it? ~ , . , to fix it? i think it is incredible as to fix it? i think it is incredible gas lighting- _ to fix it? i think it is incredible gas lighting. they _ to fix it? i think it is incredible gas lighting. they are - to fix it? i think it is incredible gas lighting. they are trying . to fix it? i think it is incredible| gas lighting. they are trying to almost say they are assisting us to solve this horrible problem of sewage being dumped when it is then dumping itjust so they can make more profit. i think it is absolutely obscene and unbelievable i think it is acceptable to dump it even once let alone continually like they do, just incredible. to me it is a little bit like the tories turning up for photo ops at foodbanks. look at us, we are trying to help save a problem we actually caused —— helped solve. my wife is a wild swimmer. caused -- helped solve. my wife is a wild swimmer-— caused -- helped solve. my wife is a wild swimmer._ this - caused -- helped solve. my wife is a wild swimmer._ this is - wild swimmer. mine too. this is appalling. _ wild swimmer. mine too. this is appalling, really. _ wild swimmer. mine too. this is appalling, really. my— wild swimmer. mine too. this is appalling, really. my paddle - wild swimmer. mine too. this is i appalling, really. my paddle board as well. the waterways, beautiful

country. it has been destroyed for profit in my view.— profit in my view. thank you very much for your— profit in my view. thank you very much for your view. _ profit in my view. thank you very much for your view. that - profit in my view. thank you very much for your view. that is - profit in my view. thank you very much for your view. that is what | profit in my view. thank you very i much for your view. that is what we seek. anna in manningtree, yeah, water, whether, sees, we cherish our rivers and the ocean around these islands, so beautiful, but not now. no, i think the water companies have abused than for decades and i think what adds insult to injury with this announcement is they are saying sorry because they got caught but they want the public to foot the bill one for decades they have paid out billions in shareholder dividends and bonuses. now we are being asked to foot the bill. not really an apology. i being asked to foot the bill. not really an apology.— being asked to foot the bill. not really an apology. i say there will be a gradual— really an apology. i say there will be a gradual increment _ really an apology. i say there will be a gradual increment in - really an apology. i say there will be a gradual increment in our - really an apology. i say there will| be a gradual increment in our bills as well. have you experienced anything particularly unpleasant? yeah, where we swim in a tidal

estuary, we have a sewage pipe overflow that spills about a collimator from our beach, overflow that spills about a collimatorfrom our beach, we know it is on average once a month, —— a kilometre. before a year ago, we had no data, swimming blind, taking a risk because being in the water is such a wonderful endorphin rush. they definitely have been reports of people being set, reports of a slick smell on the water. we are setting up smell on the water. we are setting up a testing programme to get a better idea and applying for bathing designation which means the environment agency will come and test the waters in the bathing season and we will know if the water is safe to swim in. right now we are swimming unknown what is in there. that thing which concerns a lot of people is there is going to be some beautiful days coming our way, blue

skies, ice cream whether commuting yeah, let's had for the coast. easy to get to the coast in this country wherever are. to get to the coast in this country whereverare. —— ice to get to the coast in this country wherever are. —— ice cream weather, yeah. we will see pictures of packed beaches, brighton, eastbourne, bournemouth, wonderful places. you are going to be thinking, what on earth are they subjecting themselves to? it is extremely concerning, isn't it? it to? it is extremely concerning, isn't it? , to? it is extremely concerning, isn't it? . ., ., isn't it? it is concerning and what i would isn't it? it is concerning and what i would suggest _ isn't it? it is concerning and what i would suggest to _ isn't it? it is concerning and what i would suggest to people - isn't it? it is concerning and what i would suggest to people in - isn't it? it is concerning and what i would suggest to people in the | isn't it? it is concerning and what. i would suggest to people in the uk, safer sees app, most of our coastal sites are hooked up, you can see when there is real—time sewage spills. at the moment we only have five sites designated as places where we test the water quality, people on inland locations were loads of people swim and where i swim, those are locations where we really are swimming blind because we

are not hooked up to the system and whether there has been pollution, we have to see it for ourselves. ianthem whether there has been pollution, we have to see it for ourselves.— have to see it for ourselves. when i swim in the — have to see it for ourselves. when i swim in the sea, _ have to see it for ourselves. when i swim in the sea, north _ have to see it for ourselves. when i swim in the sea, north west - have to see it for ourselves. when i swim in the sea, north west of- swim in the sea, north west of scotland, very lucky, pretty clean. there are debates and a lot of anger about fish farm pollution, another issue. industrialfarming does come into this. carl and was are coming. tessa, we will continue. so many comments coming in, on twitter, this has always been going on, gets more publicity now to fuel the brexit fire, some of the worst discharges happen before then. victorian garbage cannot cope with the country's overpopulation. sarahjane on facebook, all of the water companies have been making money from customers for years. at some of the profits into making better improvements, replacing the old victorian sewage system, build more sewage plants to cope with this. rob on facebook, hang on, let me get

this straight, the water companies which we do not have a choice in either way, complete monopoly, they have agreed to do what they are supposed to do in the first place except it will cost us more, are they the same water companies posting profits heavier? they need nationalising. rob is not the only person saying that every year. tessa, what do you think about this? this is a long—term problem going on a long _ this is a long—term problem going on a long time, — this is a long—term problem going on a long time, i— this is a long—term problem going on a long time, i work particularly in the area — a long time, i work particularly in the area of— a long time, i work particularly in the area of rivers and there are 14% of our— the area of rivers and there are 14% of our rivers — the area of rivers and there are 14% of our rivers and good ecological health. — of our rivers and good ecological health. we — of our rivers and good ecological health, we have the most beautiful rivers _ health, we have the most beautiful rivers in _ health, we have the most beautiful rivers in this country, most beautiful— rivers in this country, most beautiful environment, like some of the listeners and your wife, i swim in the _ the listeners and your wife, i swim in the river — the listeners and your wife, i swim in the river. really important to me personally — in the river. really important to me personally we have good quality rivers _ personally we have good quality rivers. 85% of precious chalk screams _ rivers. 85% of precious chalk screams in _ rivers. 85% of precious chalk screams in the world are in this

country— screams in the world are in this country -- _ screams in the world are in this country —— chalk streams. whitley important — country —— chalk streams. whitley important for the wildlife they support — important for the wildlife they support. the rivers are a really good _ support. the rivers are a really good indicator of what is going on on the _ good indicator of what is going on on the land —— really important. they— on the land —— really important. they collect everything on the land and ends _ they collect everything on the land and ends up in the rivers and the state _ and ends up in the rivers and the state of— and ends up in the rivers and the state of the _ and ends up in the rivers and the state of the rivers is an indication of what _ state of the rivers is an indication of what is — state of the rivers is an indication of what is going on on the land. these _ of what is going on on the land. these failing rivers are indicating not only— these failing rivers are indicating not only what is happening in sewage outfalls _ not only what is happening in sewage outfalls which we are hearing a lot about _ outfalls which we are hearing a lot about but — outfalls which we are hearing a lot about but also the long—term treated sewage _ about but also the long—term treated sewage is— about but also the long—term treated sewage is almost a bigger problem and we _ sewage is almost a bigger problem and we have big problems with agricultural pollution and urban and transport _ agricultural pollution and urban and transport have a huge impact on the quality— transport have a huge impact on the quality of— transport have a huge impact on the quality of the waters as well. there are many— quality of the waters as well. there are many problems that our rivers are many problems that our rivers are facing — are many problems that our rivers are facing. while it is a welcome apology— are facing. while it is a welcome apology from the water companies today, _ apology from the water companies today, i— apology from the water companies today, i think it is a start, now they— today, i think it is a start, now they have _ today, i think it is a start, now they have admitted their role, maybe perhaps _ they have admitted their role, maybe perhaps we _ they have admitted their role, maybe perhaps we can start focusing on solutions — perhaps we can start focusing on solutions to the sewage problems and start tackling some of the sewage

problems— start tackling some of the sewage problems but also other sources of whether— problems but also other sources of whether a — problems but also other sources of whether a lesion that have gone unchecked and —— other sources of river— unchecked and —— other sources of river pollution that have gone unchecked for so long. darker truth and long—term failures of monitoring and long—term failures of monitoring and enforcement from governments of pollution _ and enforcement from governments of pollution into the waterways. as well, pollution into the waterways. is well, talking about how beautiful and inspirational our rivers can be, i was looking the other day at footage on the television news of the reintroduction of beavers and how they rejuvenate ecosystems, rewilding, such amazing enchanting animals, i was thinking, isn't that wonderful? but on the other side of it, it is all this. when you are doing swimming, riverswimming, very brave of you because of the cold,

even more brave because of some of the stuff, how do you feel when you are about to take the plunge? weill. are about to take the plunge? well, it is something _ are about to take the plunge? well, it is something i _ are about to take the plunge? well, it is something i think— are about to take the plunge? well, it is something i think you _ are about to take the plunge? -ii it is something i think you take a risk based approach and i try and make sure i am well informed about where they are. we are focused on data and evidence and we produce a sewage map which shows where all the known discharges are, anyone can go on to our website and look at our sewage maps and find out. that information has actually been partly what has been used as the basis for a lot of the investigations and information our ngos and public are able to bring and hold water companies to account for. on the map, you can see where the combined sewer outfalls are and where discharges have happened in the last year so they can help you to decide where might be a good place to swim.

that is what it has come to, thank you. lynn, mark, ithink we that is what it has come to, thank you. lynn, mark, i think we have some personal experience from both of you. lynn, what have you come across? you are an open swim, like my open half, —— my other half, she loves it. what do you make of this? i find loves it. what do you make of this? ifind it loves it. what do you make of this? i find it absolutely disgusting we cannot— i find it absolutely disgusting we cannotjust enjoy our i find it absolutely disgusting we cannot just enjoy our coastline. i walk— cannot just enjoy our coastline. i walk regularly along the coast and i am appalled that the things i see washed—up in the beautiful areal live where — washed—up in the beautiful areal live where a lot of us enjoy swimming in the sea and we also have bird—watching clubs, walking clubs, the whole _ bird—watching clubs, walking clubs, the whole environment is being spoilt _ the whole environment is being spoilt by— the whole environment is being spoilt by the debris washes —— washes— spoilt by the debris washes —— washes up— spoilt by the debris washes —— washes up and he would not believe some _ washes up and he would not believe some of— washes up and he would not believe some of the sanitary items we find doing _ some of the sanitary items we find doing our— some of the sanitary items we find doing our beach greens. | some of the sanitary items we find doing our beach greens.— doing our beach greens. i would believe it- _ doing our beach greens. i would believe it. we _ doing our beach greens. i would believe it. we are _ doing our beach greens. i would believe it. we are trying - doing our beach greens. i would believe it. we are trying to - doing our beach greens. i would j believe it. we are trying to keep doing our beach greens. i would i believe it. we are trying to keep it as clean.

believe it. we are trying to keep it as clean- -- _ believe it. we are trying to keep it as clean. -- beach _ believe it. we are trying to keep it as clean. -- beach cleans. - believe it. we are trying to keep it as clean. -- beach cleans. we - believe it. we are trying to keep it| as clean. -- beach cleans. we have believe it. we are trying to keep it i as clean. -- beach cleans. we have a as clean. —— beach cleans. we have a group, _ as clean. —— beach cleans. we have a group, save _ as clean. —— beach cleans. we have a group, save our— as clean. —— beach cleans. we have a group, save our seas, we are also the cold _ water swimmers poo, pee and paper. i mentioned _ water swimmers poo, pee and paper. i mentioned it _ water swimmers poo, pee and paper. i mentioned it to the local mp and i was accused of being naive and believing — was accused of being naive and believing propaganda in the newspaper —— the other cold water swimmers— newspaper —— the other cold water swimmers blue tits. newspaper -- the other cold water swimmers blue tits.— newspaper -- the other cold water swimmers blue tits. propaganda in the media? — swimmers blue tits. propaganda in the media? listening _ swimmers blue tits. propaganda in the media? listening to _ swimmers blue tits. propaganda in the media? listening to our - the media? listening to our listeners, listening to our viewers. isn't it our fault as much? if we are some of us collectively shoving... uf —— you refer to sanitary products and wet wipes, pure ignorance, maybe we have to pay for that? i

pure ignorance, maybe we have to pay for that? ., ., .. , ., , for that? i do accept that. it is unacceptable _ for that? i do accept that. it is unacceptable to _ for that? i do accept that. it is unacceptable to put _ for that? i do accept that. it is unacceptable to put those - for that? i do accept that. it is i unacceptable to put those things down the loo. there is an element of own fault. but who is doing that? people may be out of ignorance, do not realise, i don't know. surely those items could be extracted by some kind of precautionary measures by the water authorities? yes. some kind of precautionary measures by the water authorities?— by the water authorities? yes, yes. we are our— by the water authorities? yes, yes. we are our own _ by the water authorities? yes, yes. we are our own waste _ by the water authorities? yes, yes. we are our own waste enemies, . we are our own waste enemies, difficult to avoid. carl in worcester. good morning. have you seen any of this stuff? have you suffered from it? it seen any of this stuff? have you suffered from it?— suffered from it? it is 'ust very sad. in worcester_ suffered from it? it is 'ust very sad. in worcester we _ suffered from it? it isjust very sad. in worcester we are - suffered from it? it isjust very sad. in worcester we are so i suffered from it? it is just very i sad. in worcester we are so lucky because _ sad. in worcester we are so lucky because we — sad. in worcester we are so lucky because we are on the banks of the greatest _ because we are on the banks of the greatest whether in mainland britain, — greatest whether in mainland britain, the river severn. —— the greatest — britain, the river severn. —— the greatest river. you can see kingfishers, cormorants, if you are lucky. _ kingfishers, cormorants, if you are lucky. there — kingfishers, cormorants, if you are lucky, there are otters. it is

heartbreaking, nicky. utterly heartbreaking. _ heartbreaking, nicky. utterly heartbreaking. have - heartbreaking, nicky. utterly heartbreaking. have not i heartbreaking, nicky. utterly heartbreaking. have not got| heartbreaking, nicky. utterly| heartbreaking. have not got a heartbreaking, nicky. utterly- heartbreaking. have not got a great line. he had a great word, heartbreaking. mark in redruth. swimming last weekend, how was it? hello. love the show. titer? swimming last weekend, how was it? hello. love the show.— hello. love the show. very kind. do ou love hello. love the show. very kind. do you love where _ hello. love the show. very kind. do you love where you _ hello. love the show. very kind. do you love where you swim? - hello. love the show. very kind. do you love where you swim? it - hello. love the show. very kind. do you love where you swim? it is i hello. love the show. very kind. do| you love where you swim? it is next. i have you love where you swim? it is next. i have been — you love where you swim? it is next. i have been in. _ you love where you swim? it is next. i have been in, for— you love where you swim? it is next. i have been in, for 15 _ you love where you swim? it is next. i have been in, for15 i _ you love where you swim? it is next. i have been in, for15 i have - you love where you swim? it is next. i have been in, for 15 i have always i i have been in, for 15 i have always one in portraits... most of the times, absolutely beautiful. like other callers have said, they use the app, which i do, the times when it is not safe to swim at all because of the overflow pumped into the sea. ., .. ,., because of the overflow pumped into the sea. ., .. ,. because of the overflow pumped into the sea. ., .. y., because of the overflow pumped into the sea. ., y., ,., the sea. how can you tell? do you use the app? _ the sea. how can you tell? do you use the app? the _ the sea. how can you tell? do you use the app? the app. _ the sea. how can you tell? do you use the app? the app. you - the sea. how can you tell? do you use the app? the app. you cannot tell by looking- — use the app? the app. you cannot tell by looking. it _ use the app? the app. you cannot tell by looking. it looks _ use the app? the app. you cannot tell by looking. it looks gorgeousl tell by looking. it looks gorgeous around cornwall. i was swimming on saturday, absolutely loads of people

surfing, beautiful, me and my daughterwas surfing, beautiful, me and my daughter was swimming, great. surfing, beautiful, me and my daughterwas swimming, great. 0ther daughterwas swimming, great. other times, the app says it is not safe to swim, best to abide by that. jamie, i want to bring you in with anotherjamie, jamie jamie, i want to bring you in with anotherjamie,jamie in jamie, i want to bring you in with anotherjamie, jamie in east london. still with us?— anotherjamie, jamie in east london. still with us?_ listening i still with us? yes, i am. listening to all of this _ still with us? yes, i am. listening to all of this stuff. _ still with us? yes, i am. listening to all of this stuff. professor i still with us? yes, i am. listening to all of this stuff. professor of i to all of this stuff. professor of physical geography at the university of manchester. might be interested in what the gist of what jamie is saying, jamie in east london, we will get a response from the other jamie in a second, but what do you think of this, jamie in east london? i think one of the main issues, i have _ i think one of the main issues, i have worked on several schemes and developments in london, within the london _ developments in london, within the london context, and a lot of urban context. _ london context, and a lot of urban context, unfortunately, climate change — context, unfortunately, climate change is — context, unfortunately, climate change is something we need to consider— change is something we need to consider and notjust put all the responsibility for dealing with the

problem — responsibility for dealing with the problem on the water companies. what i problem on the water companies. what i mean _ problem on the water companies. what i mean is _ problem on the water companies. what i mean is more extreme weather grants. _ i mean is more extreme weather grants, extreme inundations, it means— grants, extreme inundations, it means the— grants, extreme inundations, it means the finite capacity of our existing — means the finite capacity of our existing networks, sewer networks, it overflows —— extreme weather, grants _ it overflows —— extreme weather, grants it — it overflows —— extreme weather, grants. it kisses sewage into the seas— grants. it kisses sewage into the seas and — grants. it kisses sewage into the seas and river systems —— it pushes. only— seas and river systems —— it pushes. only 3% _ seas and river systems —— it pushes. only 3% of— seas and river systems —— it pushes. only 3% of the sewage is foul, 20% is grey— only 3% of the sewage is foul, 20% is grey water, washing machines and showers _ is grey water, washing machines and showers and — is grey water, washing machines and showers and stuff, the rest of it is rainfalt _ showers and stuff, the rest of it is rainfalt it— showers and stuff, the rest of it is rainfall. if we have more extreme rainfall, _ rainfall. if we have more extreme rainfall, we — rainfall. if we have more extreme rainfall, we need to learn how to deal— rainfall, we need to learn how to deal with— rainfall, we need to learn how to deal with that better and often it is not _ deal with that better and often it is not the — deal with that better and often it is not the hard engineered costly sewage _ is not the hard engineered costly sewage upgrade but actually about how we _ sewage upgrade but actually about how we invest collaboratively with landowners and local authorities in sustainable urban drainage which

removes— sustainable urban drainage which removes that vast majority of the flow of _ removes that vast majority of the flow of sewage network which is rainfall — flow of sewage network which is rainfall which is pure and put it exactly — rainfall which is pure and put it exactly where it should go, our river— exactly where it should go, our river systems. but slowly. the key to that _ river systems. but slowly. the key to that is _ river systems. but slowly. the key to that is capturing, diverting the flow of— to that is capturing, diverting the flow of rainfall and slowing the flow of rainfall and slowing the flow into — flow of rainfall and slowing the flow into the river system. that requires — flow into the river system. that requires partnership and that is really— requires partnership and that is really difficult. but i think is one of the _ really difficult. but i think is one of the reasons why we haven't seen the large _ of the reasons why we haven't seen the large scale investment by the water— the large scale investment by the water companies and by government in sustainable _ water companies and by government in sustainable urban drainage which is vastly— sustainable urban drainage which is vastly more cost—effective than hard engineered solutions where we have spent _ engineered solutions where we have spent £43— engineered solutions where we have spent £43 billion to deal with the 60 occasions a year when we have more _ 60 occasions a year when we have more than — 60 occasions a year when we have more than two millimetres of rainfall— more than two millimetres of rainfall and the existing victorian sewage _ rainfall and the existing victorian sewage system overflows into the thames — sewage system overflows into the thames. far more effective to green

the streets — thames. far more effective to green the streets. also consumers need to take some _ the streets. also consumers need to take some responsibility. if you have _ take some responsibility. if you have a — take some responsibility. if you have a hard paved driveway, you don't _ have a hard paved driveway, you don't have — have a hard paved driveway, you don't have a water but, you are part of the _ don't have a water but, you are part of the problem and you can help address— of the problem and you can help address it — of the problem and you can help address it. my main message would be effective _ address it. my main message would be effective partnerships with water companies and landowners and highway authorities. _ companies and landowners and highway authorities, but also the consumer needs— authorities, but also the consumer needs to _ authorities, but also the consumer needs to do — authorities, but also the consumer needs to do their bit as well. jamie woodward. — needs to do their bit as well. jamie woodward. your— needs to do their bit as well. jamie woodward, your thoughts - needs to do their bit as well. jamie woodward, your thoughts on i needs to do their bit as well. iag�*n e: woodward, your thoughts on what we heard from jamie?— heard from jamie? absolutely. green infrastructure _ heard from jamie? absolutely. green infrastructure in _ heard from jamie? absolutely. green infrastructure in cities, _ heard from jamie? absolutely. green infrastructure in cities, towns - heard from jamie? absolutely. green infrastructure in cities, towns and i infrastructure in cities, towns and cities, it is a key part of tackling this problem. we need to reduce the amount of rainfall going into the sewage system. nobody would argue against that. what is remarkable about the announcement from water uk, water companies have announced the problem is solvable in a relatively short period of time, we are in the fifth decade of privatisation, so the money has been in the system for a long time. the infrastructure investment which has

not happened, it should have happened decades ago. we should have been investing in increasing waste water treatment capacity, increasing waste water storage, but also absolutely government interventions are needed to reduce the number of hard surfaces in urban environments. when you are, nicky, studio next to the river, united utilities dumps sewage in full 13,000 hours last year, the tragedy of this is the river mersey part of the catchment was one of the world with his prize in 1999, dirtiest river of europe in the 70s, huge achievement, there was investment, reduction in pollution. the tragedy as we have gone backwards. deregulation has left the water industry free to pollute with huge profits and we are reaping the rewards looking at the state of the rivers and coasts. absolutely, that is green infrastructure which is a key part of tackling the problem,

but the money has been in the system for decades but investment has not happened. for decades but investment has not ha ened. . ., for decades but investment has not hauened. ., ., ., , happened. yeah, i am actually in london beside _ happened. yeah, i am actually in london beside the _ happened. yeah, i am actually in london beside the river - happened. yeah, i am actually in| london beside the river thames. happened. yeah, i am actually in i london beside the river thames. the river thames was at one point seen as a great triumph on the water being cleaned up, wildlife reappearing, comparing it to what it was like in the 50s and 60s as well. simon in penzance, you have cancelled your direct debit? do your water provider? i cancelled your direct debit? do your water provider?— water provider? i have. i am not auoin to water provider? i have. i am not going to do _ water provider? i have. i am not going to do as — water provider? i have. i am not going to do as good _ water provider? i have. i am not going to do as good as - water provider? i have. i am not going to do as good as the i water provider? i have. i am not i going to do as good as the experts you have _ going to do as good as the experts you have had, but i am returning us to the _ you have had, but i am returning us to the angry— you have had, but i am returning us to the angryjoe public and i cancelled it last night, nicky. i don't _ cancelled it last night, nicky. i don't want to make life easy for south _ don't want to make life easy for south west water in my area and i suppose _ south west water in my area and i suppose i— south west water in my area and i suppose i am gearing myself up for an argument about man asking me to pay for— an argument about man asking me to pay for water disposal surfaces which — pay for water disposal surfaces which is — pay for water disposal surfaces which is not up to scratch. if there was not _ which is not up to scratch. if there was not a — which is not up to scratch. if there was not a monopoly effectively in my region. _ was not a monopoly effectively in my region. i_ was not a monopoly effectively in my region, i would was not a monopoly effectively in my

region, iwould be was not a monopoly effectively in my region, i would be going to another supplier— region, i would be going to another supplier and i cannot do that. at least _ supplier and i cannot do that. at least i _ supplier and i cannot do that. at least i would expect compensation, in the _ least i would expect compensation, in the same way i would get from bt for example if my internet went down _ for example if my internet went down. that could be an interim solution — down. that could be an interim solution. effectively, as your previous— solution. effectively, as your previous caller said, the money has been _ previous caller said, the money has been in _ previous caller said, the money has been in the — previous caller said, the money has been in the system for a long time, my understanding is, but the priority— my understanding is, but the priority for water companies has been _ priority for water companies has been paying shareholders rather than investing _ been paying shareholders rather than investing in infrastructure. i am furious — investing in infrastructure. i am furious they are indicating we have to increase — furious they are indicating we have to increase payments to them furthen — to increase payments to them further. that is where i am at. jamie, — further. that is where i am at. jamie, 20 _ further. that is where i am at. jamie, 20 seconds on what we heard. very quickly. jamie, 20 seconds on what we heard. very quickly-— very quickly. jamie woodward. yeah, absolutel . very quickly. jamie woodward. yeah, absolutely- a — very quickly. jamie woodward. yeah, absolutely. a lot _ very quickly. jamie woodward. yeah, absolutely. a lot of _ very quickly. jamie woodward. yeah, absolutely. a lot of people _ very quickly. jamie woodward. yeah, absolutely. a lot of people are - absolutely. a lot of people are withholding waste water bills, huge political issue. in terms of funding, i would argue funding the environment agency to monitor the quality of rivers and seas and the behaviour of water companies is just

as important as funding the nhs. if we let the rivers die, we are in a huge hole. we let the rivers die, we are in a huge hole-— we let the rivers die, we are in a hue hole. ., , ., , huge hole. powerful statement. many --eole huge hole. powerful statement. many eo - le fear huge hole. powerful statement. many people fear all — huge hole. powerful statement. many people fear all too _ huge hole. powerful statement. many people fear all too true. _ huge hole. powerful statement. many people fear all too true. thank - huge hole. powerful statement. many people fear all too true. thank you. i people fear all too true. thank you. massive response this morning as you would imagine. we were swimming in calls. it is good you are with us this morning. what about harry and meghan? it is about the the press, press intrusion and privacy. leave harry and meghan alone? that is our basic thought trigger. i bet harry was incredibly upset by what happened to him in manhattan. the chase, that is what we are

talking about. the duke and duchess of sussex, and her mother, involved in a "near catastrophic" car chase involving paparazzi in new york on tuesday according to their spokesperson. i'm lucky enough to have been in manhattan, an incredible place, it is quite stop, start, you can be sat for a while and have a stretch where you can go a bit faster and then you stop again, so a lot of people trying to work out what was going on, but if you look at the psychologically triggering aspect, all the press trying to take photos of the car, when the cars were stationary trying to stick the lenses through the windows are right on the window and try and take a photograph is that you can understand why it would have been so upsetting. that is what we are asking. the same papers that are telling the two of them to go away and shut up are also desperate to keep them on the front pages,

fuelling the fire. maybe there is hypocrisy on both sides? what do you think about it? leave harry and meghan alone? water companies in england have apologised over spilling sewage into rivers and seas. they say they'll invest £10 billion into new infasturature — but that will result in higher customer bills. bt is cutting up to 55,000 jobs by the end of the decade — that's around forty per cent of its workforce. it says it'll need fewer staff once its modern broad—band and mobile networks are complete. royal mail says postal strikes were partly to blame for big losses in the year

to the end of march. it made an operating loss of £419—million. last month — the company agreed a deal with the communication workers union to end their dispute. and rishi sunak says the uk will hold talks with the eu after carmakers' warned they faced a "threat" due to brexit. manufacturer stell—antis who own vauxall, peugeot, citroen and fiat says it could close some uk factories — if the government fails to tweak trade rules — to ease the supply of batteries for electric vehicles. harry and meghan, leave them alone, basically, are not? you've invaded your own privacy, frankly, guys. what do you think? duncan, former

royal editor of the sun, hello. how are you doing?— royal editor of the sun, hello. how are you doing? good morning, thank ou for are you doing? good morning, thank you for having _ are you doing? good morning, thank you for having me — are you doing? good morning, thank you for having me on. _ are you doing? good morning, thank you for having me on. and _ are you doing? good morning, thank you for having me on. and esther, i you for having me on. and esther, broadcaster— you for having me on. and esther, broadcaster and _ you for having me on. and esther, broadcaster and writer. _ you for having me on. and esther, broadcaster and writer. perfect, i broadcaster and writer. perfect, thank you- _ broadcaster and writer. perfect, thank you. hello. _ broadcaster and writer. perfect, thank you. hello. what - broadcaster and writer. perfect, thank you. hello. what do i broadcaster and writer. perfect, thank you. hello. what do you | broadcaster and writer. perfect, i thank you. hello. what do you think about what happened _ thank you. hello. what do you think about what happened and _ thank you. hello. what do you think about what happened and what i thank you. hello. what do you think about what happened and what they are saying, a near catastrophic car chase? do you think that is a bit over the top or do you understand it from the psychological point of view of what peter harry has actually gone to? i of what peter harry has actually one to? ., , of what peter harry has actually one to? ~' , ., of what peter harry has actually one to? ., , . . of what peter harry has actually one to? ~' , ., ., , gone to? i think they are a very stranue gone to? i think they are a very strange couple. _ gone to? i think they are a very strange couple. i— gone to? i think they are a very strange couple. i understand i gone to? i think they are a very strange couple. i understand inj gone to? i think they are a very i strange couple. i understand in the sense _ strange couple. i understand in the sense of— strange couple. i understand in the sense of someone who is clearly still traumatised by what happened to his _ still traumatised by what happened to his mother and therefore contextualises everything that happens in his life in that way, but the reality— happens in his life in that way, but the reality is, i think most people that kind — the reality is, i think most people that kind of press release to put out raise — that kind of press release to put out raise their eyebrows a bit because _ out raise their eyebrows a bit because a _ out raise their eyebrows a bit because a two hour car chase in manhattan _ because a two hour car chase in manhattan is impossible. that's likely— manhattan is impossible. that's likely to — manhattan is impossible. that's likely to have a car chase in london. _ likely to have a car chase in london, you'd end up in kent. 15

miles— london, you'd end up in kent. 15 milesan— london, you'd end up in kent. 15 miles an hour... it is impossible. it miles an hour... it is impossible. it is— miles an hour... it is impossible. it is stop— miles an hour... it is impossible. it is stop start, isn't it?— it is stop start, isn't it? exactly, there is surveillance _ it is stop start, isn't it? exactly, there is surveillance cameras i there is surveillance cameras everywhere. there is surveillance cameras everywhere-— there is surveillance cameras eve here. , , everywhere. ok, maybe we will see that there is — everywhere. ok, maybe we will see that there is surveillance _ everywhere. ok, maybe we will see that there is surveillance cameras i that there is surveillance cameras everywhere. 0k, that there is surveillance cameras everywhere. ok, maybe we will see that maybe point of view that when there were bursts of speed, pedestrians could have been killed? i think genuinely they should take a lot of— i think genuinely they should take a lot of time — i think genuinely they should take a lot of time off and going to therapy because _ lot of time off and going to therapy because this is a very traumatised pair. _ because this is a very traumatised pair. and — because this is a very traumatised pair, and i'm not saying this tightly. — pair, and i'm not saying this tightly. .— pair, and i'm not saying this lightly, ijust think most people, especially most celebrities that are used to— especially most celebrities that are used to media attention, this is par for the _ used to media attention, this is par for the course, this is why you don't — for the course, this is why you don'tlump_ for the course, this is why you don'tjump into random taxis, this is why— don'tjump into random taxis, this is why your— don'tjump into random taxis, this is why your security detail needs to factor— is why your security detail needs to factor in _ is why your security detail needs to factor in the fight to be relieving an event— factor in the fight to be relieving an event they have cars ready, back-ups, _ an event they have cars ready, back—ups, this is all things that professional security —— security professional security — — security professionals professional security —— security professionals are aware of, and i find it— professionals are aware of, and i find it very— professionals are aware of, and i find it very strange that they went a star—studded event and were happy to smile _ a star—studded event and were happy to smile for— a star—studded event and were happy to smile for the cameras but did not factor— to smile for the cameras but did not factor in _ to smile for the cameras but did not factor in how they will get back to their— factor in how they will get back to their hotel— factor in how they will get back to their hotel and decided tojump into

random _ their hotel and decided tojump into random taxi. she their hotel and decided to “ump into random taxi.— their hotel and decided to “ump into random rad.— random taxi. she had 'ust won a rreat random taxi. she had 'ust won a great award. h random taxi. she had 'ust won a great award, hadn't i random taxi. she had just won a great award, hadn't she? - random taxi. she had just won a great award, hadn't she? well, | random taxi. she had just won a i great award, hadn't she? well, yes, but arain, great award, hadn't she? well, yes, but again. you _ great award, hadn't she? well, yes, but again, you are _ great award, hadn't she? well, yes, but again, you are at _ great award, hadn't she? well, yes, but again, you are at an _ great award, hadn't she? well, yes, but again, you are at an event i great award, hadn't she? well, yes, but again, you are at an event with i but again, you are at an event with loads— but again, you are at an event with loads of— but again, you are at an event with loads of celebrities, obviously loads— loads of celebrities, obviously loads of— loads of celebrities, obviously loads of media attention, you have courted _ loads of media attention, you have courted media attention when it suited _ courted media attention when it suited you, this is why netflix offered — suited you, this is why netflix offered them $100 million to film a documentary, that would not have happened — documentary, that would not have happened if the paparazzi were not the oxygen keeping there is liberty alive. _ the oxygen keeping there is liberty alive. it _ the oxygen keeping there is liberty alive. it is — the oxygen keeping there is liberty alive, it is a double edge sword, no doubt _ alive, it is a double edge sword, no doubt it— alive, it is a double edge sword, no doubt it was— alive, it is a double edge sword, no doubt it was dramatic but this is a very troubled couple and they should be in therapy and probably move to a country— be in therapy and probably move to a country that — be in therapy and probably move to a country that has structure paparazzi loss because i find it very weird they— loss because i find it very weird they moved to the us for their privacy. — they moved to the us for their privacy, even though the us has some of the _ privacy, even though the us has some of the list _ privacy, even though the us has some of the list is _ privacy, even though the us has some of the list is paparazzi goes in the world _ of the list is paparazzi goes in the world. , .. of the list is paparazzi goes in the world. , ., of the list is paparazzi goes in the world. ., ., of the list is paparazzi goes in the world. , ., ., ., world. duncan, come on that one. the list is paparazzi _ world. duncan, come on that one. the list is paparazzi loss _ world. duncan, come on that one. the list is paparazzi loss in _ world. duncan, come on that one. the list is paparazzi loss in the _ world. duncan, come on that one. the list is paparazzi loss in the world. i list is paparazzi loss in the world. what it's like over there? our paparazzi are pretty notorious, what about theirs?— about theirs? there is the element of “um-din about theirs? there is the element ofjumping out _ about theirs? there is the element ofjumping out of _ about theirs? there is the element ofjumping out of the _ about theirs? there is the element ofjumping out of the frying - about theirs? there is the element ofjumping out of the frying pan i about theirs? there is the element | ofjumping out of the frying pan and into the fire, but i think the situation is worse in la, probably

because there are so many a—list celebrities that are out on the streets every day and there is a market for photographers to get pictures of them. so i think you're absolutely right, but... they have to get their security detail right. they need to make sure they are safe when they leave events and that there is no game of cat and mouse. a royal protection officer back in britain, used to work alongside them a lot, they tell us that the death of diana was absolutely unnecessary because they are not there to protect the principal, as they recall it, from being photographed, they are there to make sure they are safe, so driving at high speed or driving through red lights are whatever they have to do to try and get away, that game of cat and mouse, if you like, something they would not even start. they would just stop the car and have a word with the photographers and then move on carefully. so this is very

confusing that something could become described as near catastrophic if their security detail in america is anything like that, which harry in particular is used to in the uk. but that, which harry in particular is used to in the uk.— that, which harry in particular is used to in the uk. but they were travellinr used to in the uk. but they were travelling to _ used to in the uk. but they were travelling to a _ used to in the uk. but they were travelling to a friend's _ used to in the uk. but they were travelling to a friend's house i used to in the uk. but they were l travelling to a friend's house after the duchess had been presented with a woman of vision award at the ms foundation annual gala and they said they left the gather and where pursued by a dozen vehicles. they got any and we have... we can hear from the taxi driver, who picked up harry and meghan as they were being chased by paparazzi in new york city last night. the chased by paparazzi in new york city last nirht. , . , ., last night. the security guard held me and the _ last night. the security guard held me and the next _ last night. the security guard held me and the next thing _ last night. the security guard held me and the next thing you - last night. the security guard held me and the next thing you know. me and the next thing you know prince _ me and the next thing you know prince harry— me and the next thing you know prince harry and _ me and the next thing you know prince harry and his _ me and the next thing you know prince harry and his wife - me and the next thing you know prince harry and his wife are i prince harry and his wife are hopping _ prince harry and his wife are hopping into _ prince harry and his wife are hopping into my— prince harry and his wife are hopping into my cab - prince harry and his wife are hopping into my cab and i prince harry and his wife are hopping into my cab and as. prince harry and his wife are i hopping into my cab and as we prince harry and his wife are - hopping into my cab and as we went to blog _ hopping into my cab and as we went to blog we _ hopping into my cab and as we went to blog we got — hopping into my cab and as we went to blog we got blocked _ hopping into my cab and as we went to blog we got blocked by— hopping into my cab and as we went to blog we got blocked by a - hopping into my cab and as we went to blog we got blocked by a garbage truck and _ to blog we got blocked by a garbage truck and all— to blog we got blocked by a garbage truck and all the _ to blog we got blocked by a garbage truck and all the sudden _ to blog we got blocked by a garbage truck and all the sudden paparazzi i truck and all the sudden paparazzi came _ truck and all the sudden paparazzi came and — truck and all the sudden paparazzi came and started _ truck and all the sudden paparazzi came and started taking _ truck and all the sudden paparazzi came and started taking pictures. truck and all the sudden paparazzi i came and started taking pictures and they were _ came and started taking pictures and they were just— came and started taking pictures and they were just about _ came and started taking pictures and they were just about to _ came and started taking pictures and they were just about to give - came and started taking pictures and they were just about to give me i came and started taking pictures and they were just about to give me the. they were just about to give me the location _ they were just about to give me the location of— they were just about to give me the location of where _ they were just about to give me the location of where they— they were just about to give me the location of where they were - they were just about to give me the location of where they were going i they were just about to give me the i location of where they were going to id location of where they were going to go and _ location of where they were going to go and then— location of where they were going to go and then they _ location of where they were going to go and then they told _ location of where they were going to go and then they told me _ location of where they were going to go and then they told me to - location of where they were going to go and then they told me to circle i go and then they told me to circle back to _

go and then they told me to circle back to the — go and then they told me to circle back to the precinct _ go and then they told me to circle back to the precinct so _ go and then they told me to circle back to the precinct so we - go and then they told me to circle back to the precinct so we circle i back to the precinct so we circle back— back to the precinct so we circle back to — back to the precinct so we circle back to the _ back to the precinct so we circle back to the precinct _ back to the precinct so we circle back to the precinct and - back to the precinct so we circle back to the precinct and that's i back to the precinct so we circle i back to the precinct and that's when i back to the precinct and that's when i drop— back to the precinct and that's when i drop them — back to the precinct and that's when i drop them off _ back to the precinct and that's when i drop them off. do— back to the precinct and that's when i drop them off-— back to the precinct and that's when i drop them off. do you remember you oick them i drop them off. do you remember you pick them up? — i drop them off. do you remember you pick them up? 67th _ i drop them off. do you remember you pick them up? 67th st _ i drop them off. do you remember you pick them up? 67th st by _ i drop them off. do you remember you pick them up? 67th st by the - i drop them off. do you remember you pick them up? 67th st by the 19th - pick them up? 67th st by the 19th preaching- -- _ pick them up? 67th st by the 19th preaching... they _ pick them up? 67th st by the 19th preaching... they looked - pick them up? 67th st by the 19th| preaching... they looked nervous. pick them up? 67th st by the 19th | preaching... they looked nervous. i think— preaching... they looked nervous. i think they— preaching... they looked nervous. i think they were _ preaching... they looked nervous. i think they were being _ preaching... they looked nervous. i think they were being chased - preaching... they looked nervous. i think they were being chased a i preaching... they looked nervous. i. think they were being chased a whole day, they— think they were being chased a whole day, they were — think they were being chased a whole day, they were pretty— think they were being chased a whole day, they were pretty nervous. - think they were being chased a whole day, they were pretty nervous. the i day, they were pretty nervous. the security— day, they were pretty nervous. the security guard _ day, they were pretty nervous. the security guard was _ day, they were pretty nervous. the security guard was on _ day, they were pretty nervous. the security guard was on it. _ day, they were pretty nervous. the security guard was on it. did - day, they were pretty nervous. the security guard was on it. did it i security guard was on it. did it feel like the _ security guard was on it. did it feel like the paparazzi - security guard was on it. did it feel like the paparazzi were i security guard was on it.- feel like the paparazzi were being aggressive? ida. feel like the paparazzi were being aggressive?— feel like the paparazzi were being ao oressive? ., , , , aggressive? no, they were behind us and sta ed aggressive? no, they were behind us and stayed on — aggressive? no, they were behind us and stayed on top — aggressive? no, they were behind us and stayed on top of _ aggressive? no, they were behind us and stayed on top of us, _ aggressive? no, they were behind us and stayed on top of us, it _ and stayed on top of us, it was pretty— and stayed on top of us, it was pretty much— and stayed on top of us, it was pretty much that _ and stayed on top of us, it was pretty much that and - and stayed on top of us, it was pretty much that and nothing i and stayed on top of us, it was i pretty much that and nothing more. they kept— pretty much that and nothing more. they kept their _ pretty much that and nothing more. they kept their distance, _ pretty much that and nothing more. they kept their distance, just - pretty much that and nothing more. they kept their distance, just like i they kept their distance, just like journalists — they kept their distance, just like journalists or _ they kept their distance, just like journalists or everyone _ they kept their distance, just like journalists or everyone else - they kept their distance, just like | journalists or everyone else trying to get _ journalists or everyone else trying to get pictures _ journalists or everyone else trying to get pictures l— journalists or everyone else trying to get pictures-— journalists or everyone else trying to get pictures. i 'ust wonder what ou think, to get pictures. ijust wonder what you think, rebecca? _ to get pictures. ijust wonder what you think, rebecca? good - to get pictures. i just wonder what i you think, rebecca? good morning. hello, good morning. i’m you think, rebecca? good morning. hello, good morning. i'm wondering what ou hello, good morning. i'm wondering what you think. _ hello, good morning. i'm wondering what you think, it _ hello, good morning. i'm wondering what you think, it is _ hello, good morning. i'm wondering what you think, it is interesting, i. what you think, it is interesting, i wonder what you think about what esther said, the broadcaster and writer. i'm delighted esther is with us as well. esther said they are a strange couple and they need to go and get some therapy, rebecca. fiic .. and get some therapy, rebecca. 0k. .. she is entitled — and get some therapy, rebecca. 0k. .. she is entitled to _ and get some therapy, rebecca. 0k. .. she is entitled to her— and get some therapy, rebecca. 0k. ..

she is entitled to her opinion. - and get some therapy, rebecca. 0k. .. she is entitled to her opinion. but i she is entitled to her opinion. but the problem is, what people seem to be forgetting here is that they came together because of love. love is what brought them together. harry had all opportunities to pick any princess or english rose and he chose against that, he chose love. he chose something that his mother would have been proud of. she was the starting of a new era, the new modern monarchy started from diana. diana stretched out her hand to all people, herself she fell in love with mohammed, and everything changed... the with mohammed, and everything changed- - -_

with mohammed, and everything i changed..._ everything changed... the doctor? everything chan . ed. changed... the doctor? everything changed- for— changed... the doctor? everything changed. for harry, _ changed... the doctor? everything changed. for harry, all— changed... the doctor? everything changed. for harry, all he - changed... the doctor? everything changed. for harry, all he is i changed... the doctor? everything changed. for harry, all he is doing| changed. for harry, all he is doing is continuing his mother's legacy. and providing us with a new way of thinking and being. showing that he is human, with the same feelings, same needs that we have. and we constantly demonise harry for his choice. it may not be our choice, but this is his choice. this is his choice. and he has children that he is setting an example for. a new era, a new bloodline. the nation should celebrate. years ago people died for interracial marriages. a uk prince has been demonised by the

press, by the media all because of love. pure love. not arranged marriage, but love! and he is happy. why can we not be happy for him? ! will love conquer all? this why can we not be happy for him? ! will love conquer all?— will love conquer all? this is something — will love conquer all? this is something yet _ will love conquer all? this is something yet to _ will love conquer all? this is something yet to be - will love conquer all? this is something yet to be seen. . will love conquer all? this is i something yet to be seen. this will love conquer all? this is - something yet to be seen. this is something yet to be seen. this is something yet to be seen. this is something yet for the nation to decide, to let go. stop chasing the couple, stop demonising them, let them live, let them love. let them be free, free to be who they are, the prince —— that is who he is. he the prince -- that is who he is. he is. esther. — the prince —— that is who he is. he is. esther, you are rolling your eyes, why are you rolling your eyes? i am trying not to laugh. that was a

very strange, — i am trying not to laugh. that was a very strange, strange spill. | very strange, strange spill. thought very strange, strange spill. i thought it was great. let - very strange, strange spill. i l thought it was great. let them very strange, strange spill. i - thought it was great. let them love, eah? thought it was great. let them love, yeah? yeah. — thought it was great. let them love, yeah? yeah. very — thought it was great. let them love, yeah? yeah, very nice. _ thought it was great. let them love, yeah? yeah, very nice. i _ thought it was great. let them love, yeah? yeah, very nice. i wish - thought it was great. let them love, yeah? yeah, very nice. i wish i - yeah? yeah, very nice. iwish i could _ yeah? yeah, very nice. iwish i could say— yeah? yeah, very nice. iwish i could say that on my wedding day. let us _ could say that on my wedding day. let us love, — could say that on my wedding day. let us love, let me love! let me love! _ let us love, let me love! let me love! ., ., , ., , _ let us love, let me love! let me love! ., .,, , , love! you cannot be happy because ou do love! you cannot be happy because you do not — love! you cannot be happy because you do not know — love! you cannot be happy because you do not know what _ love! you cannot be happy because you do not know what love - love! you cannot be happy because you do not know what love is, - love! you cannot be happy because you do not know what love is, and| you do not know what love is, and thatis you do not know what love is, and that is what they have. fik. because that is what they have. 0k. because of what they have been through, and they are still together. the media does not shine upon your relationship, it shines upon theirs. he is a prince but he is entitled to love. , he is a prince but he is entitled to love-- well. _ he is a prince but he is entitled to love-- well. i _ he is a prince but he is entitled to love.- well, i too... - he is a prince but he is entitled to love.- well, i too... this| love. esther... well, i too... this has nothing _ love. esther... well, i too... this has nothing to — love. esther... well, i too... this has nothing to do _ love. esther... well, i too... this has nothing to do with _ love. esther... well, i too... this has nothing to do with letting - love. esther... well, itoo... this. has nothing to do with letting them love _ has nothing to do with letting them love. , . love. just let them live, let them love? yes. _ love. just let them live, let them love? yes. my — love. just let them live, let them love? yes, my point _ love. just let them live, let them love? yes, my point is _ love. just let them live, let them love? yes, my point is that - love. just let them live, let them love? yes, my point is that they | love? yes, my point is that they need therapy —

love? yes, my point is that they need therapy and _ love? yes, my point is that they need therapy and better- love? yes, my point is that they| need therapy and better security detail— need therapy and better security detail because they had just left a star—studded event and should have factored _ star—studded event and should have factored in _ star—studded event and should have factored in the fact that paparazzi they were — factored in the fact that paparazzi they were happy to smile for at the event _ they were happy to smile for at the event will— they were happy to smile for at the event will likely pursue them. i don't _ event will likely pursue them. i don't really care about the colour of meghan's skin, i don't have the person— of meghan's skin, i don't have the person speaking on the radio is aware — person speaking on the radio is aware that i happened to be black, it is not— aware that i happened to be black, it is not rare — aware that i happened to be black, it is not rare for me to see... rehecca _ it is not rare for me to see... rehecca is _ it is not rare for me to see... rebecca is saying she is black as well. i rebecca is saying she is black as well. ., �* , ., , ., , rebecca is saying she is black as well. ., �* , ., , ., well. i don't see what this has to do with the _ well. i don't see what this has to do with the fact _ well. i don't see what this has to do with the fact that _ well. i don't see what this has to do with the fact that she - well. i don't see what this has to do with the fact that she is - well. i don't see what this has to do with the fact that she is not i do with the fact that she is not white — do with the fact that she is not white and _ do with the fact that she is not white and he is, no one is questioning the interracial relationship, i don't think people care, _ relationship, i don't think people care. the — relationship, i don't think people care, the uk is a very multicultural society— care, the uk is a very multicultural society if— care, the uk is a very multicultural society if you look around, i think they— society if you look around, i think they need — society if you look around, i think they need therapy and a better security— they need therapy and a better security detail. you can't have me have _ security detail. you can't have me have a _ security detail. you can't have me have a car— security detail. you can't have me have a car chase in tatton, just that— have a car chase in tatton, just that you — have a car chase in tatton, just that you cannot have one in london, -- a two _ that you cannot have one in london, -- a two hour— that you cannot have one in london, —— a two hour car chase in manhattan. don't go anywhere... don't _ manhattan. don't go anywhere... don't go — manhattan. don't go anywhere... don't go anywhere rebecca, i know you have more to say. but i want to bring in some more speakers. by the way, rebecca and esther, we talk

about love, i love both of you, i love what you have both had to say this morning. it is the very essence of good conversation. what do you think? leave them alone? i of good conversation. what do you think? leave them alone?- of good conversation. what do you think? leave them alone? i think the ress has think? leave them alone? i think the press has such _ think? leave them alone? i think the press has such an _ think? leave them alone? i think the press has such an unhealthy - think? leave them alone? i think the press has such an unhealthy attitude | press has such an unhealthy attitude to harry— press has such an unhealthy attitude to harry and — press has such an unhealthy attitude to harry and meghan. _ press has such an unhealthy attitude to harry and meghan. you _ press has such an unhealthy attitude to harry and meghan. you might- press has such an unhealthy attitude to harry and meghan. you might notj to harry and meghan. you might not like the _ to harry and meghan. you might not like the life — to harry and meghan. you might not like the life choices _ to harry and meghan. you might not like the life choices he _ to harry and meghan. you might not like the life choices he has _ to harry and meghan. you might not like the life choices he has made - like the life choices he has made but they— like the life choices he has made but they should _ like the life choices he has made but they should be _ like the life choices he has made but they should be some - like the life choices he has made but they should be some press l but they should be some press standard — but they should be some press standard they— but they should be some press standard they are _ but they should be some press standard they are abiding - but they should be some press standard they are abiding by. i but they should be some press| standard they are abiding by. it but they should be some press i standard they are abiding by. it is almost _ standard they are abiding by. it is almost like — standard they are abiding by. it is almost like all— standard they are abiding by. it is almost like all the _ standard they are abiding by. it is almost like all the rules - standard they are abiding by. it is almost like all the rules go - standard they are abiding by. it is almost like all the rules go out i standard they are abiding by. it isi almost like all the rules go out the window— almost like all the rules go out the window when — almost like all the rules go out the window when it _ almost like all the rules go out the window when it comes _ almost like all the rules go out the window when it comes to - almost like all the rules go out the window when it comes to harry - almost like all the rules go out the| window when it comes to harry and meghan— window when it comes to harry and meghan and — window when it comes to harry and meghan and it— window when it comes to harry and meghan and it is _ window when it comes to harry and meghan and it is like _ window when it comes to harry and meghan and it is like a _ window when it comes to harry and meghan and it is like a free - window when it comes to harry and meghan and it is like a free for- window when it comes to harry and meghan and it is like a free for all. meghan and it is like a free for all and at _ meghan and it is like a free for all and at the — meghan and it is like a free for all and at the end— meghan and it is like a free for all and at the end of— meghan and it is like a free for all and at the end of the _ meghan and it is like a free for all and at the end of the day- meghan and it is like a free for all and at the end of the day they - meghan and it is like a free for allj and at the end of the day they are huntan— and at the end of the day they are human beings— and at the end of the day they are human beings and _ and at the end of the day they are human beings and they— and at the end of the day they are human beings and they deserve . and at the end of the day they are| human beings and they deserve to and at the end of the day they are - human beings and they deserve to be kept safe _ human beings and they deserve to be kept safe it — human beings and they deserve to be kept safe. it makes _ human beings and they deserve to be kept safe. it makes my— human beings and they deserve to be kept safe. it makes my blood - human beings and they deserve to be kept safe. it makes my blood run- kept safe. it makes my blood run cold when — kept safe. it makes my blood run cold when i — kept safe. it makes my blood run cold when i hear— kept safe. it makes my blood run cold when i hear things— kept safe. it makes my blood run cold when i hear things like - kept safe. it makes my blood run cold when i hear things like this. | cold when i hear things like this. after— cold when i hear things like this. after what— cold when i hear things like this. after what happened _ cold when i hear things like this. after what happened with - cold when i hear things like this. j after what happened with diana, cold when i hear things like this. . after what happened with diana, it is almost _ after what happened with diana, it is almost like _ after what happened with diana, it is almost like history— after what happened with diana, it is almost like history repeating - is almost like history repeating itself — is almost like history repeating itself. luckily— is almost like history repeating itself. luckily nothing - is almost like history repeating itself. luckily nothing bad - is almost like history repeating -

itself. luckily nothing bad happened last night. _ itself. luckily nothing bad happened last night. trut— itself. luckily nothing bad happened last night, but she _ itself. luckily nothing bad happened last night, but she left _ itself. luckily nothing bad happened last night, but she left the - itself. luckily nothing bad happened last night, but she left the royal- last night, but she left the royal family. _ last night, but she left the royal family. she _ last night, but she left the royal family. she gave _ last night, but she left the royal family, she gave up— last night, but she left the royal family, she gave up her- last night, but she left the royal. family, she gave up her protection, royal— family, she gave up her protection, royal protection, _ family, she gave up her protection, royal protection, and _ family, she gave up her protection, royal protection, and they- family, she gave up her protection, royal protection, and they have - family, she gave up her protection, j royal protection, and they have had to give _ royal protection, and they have had to give everything _ royal protection, and they have had to give everything up. _ royal protection, and they have had to give everything up. they- royal protection, and they have had to give everything up. they are - to give everything up. they are trying — to give everything up. they are trying to— to give everything up. they are trying to make _ to give everything up. they are trying to make their— to give everything up. they are trying to make their own - to give everything up. they are trying to make their own way. i to give everything up. they are i trying to make their own way. and trying _ trying to make their own way. and trying to— trying to make their own way. and trying to stay— trying to make their own way. and trying to stay safe. _ trying to make their own way. and trying to stay safe. especially- trying to make their own way. and trying to stay safe. especially in i trying to stay safe. especially in britain. — trying to stay safe. especially in britain. it— trying to stay safe. especially in britain. it is— trying to stay safe. especially in britain, it is almost _ trying to stay safe. especially in britain, it is almost like - trying to stay safe. especially in britain, it is almost like an - britain, it is almost like an obsession. _ britain, it is almost like an obsession, continually- britain, it is almost like an - obsession, continually hounding them _ obsession, continually hounding them then _ obsession, continually hounding them. then they— obsession, continually hounding them. then they moved - obsession, continually hounding them. then they moved to - obsession, continually hounding them. then they moved to the i obsession, continually hounding i them. then they moved to the us, obsession, continually hounding - them. then they moved to the us, the british— them. then they moved to the us, the british press— them. then they moved to the us, the british press never— them. then they moved to the us, the british press never accepted _ them. then they moved to the us, the british press never accepted the - british press never accepted the matter— british press never accepted the matter or— british press never accepted the matter or thing, _ british press never accepted the matter or thing, just— british press never accepted the matter or thing, just negative i british press never accepted the i matter or thing, just negative story after negative — matter or thing, just negative story after negative story— matter or thing, just negative story after negative story and _ matter or thing, just negative story after negative story and now, - after negative story and now, physically _ after negative story and now, physically going _ after negative story and now, physically going after- after negative story and now, physically going after them. i after negative story and now, physically going after them. these sells lots physically going after them. these spells lots of _ physically going after them. these spells lots of beans _ physically going after them. these spells lots of beans to _ physically going after them. these spells lots of beans to lots - physically going after them. these spells lots of beans to lots of - spells lots of beans to lots of different people in lots of different people in lots of different ways for lots and lots of money —— they spilled lots of beans. a lot of people tell their story and don't _ a lot of people tell their story and don't deserve _ a lot of people tell their story and don't deserve to _ a lot of people tell their story and don't deserve to be _ a lot of people tell their story and don't deserve to be made - a lot of people tell their story and don't deserve to be made unsafe. | don't deserve to be made unsafe. they— don't deserve to be made unsafe. they don't— don't deserve to be made unsafe. they don't deserve _ don't deserve to be made unsafe. they don't deserve to _ don't deserve to be made unsafe. they don't deserve to be - don't deserve to be made unsafe. they don't deserve to be viewed i

don't deserve to be made unsafe. l they don't deserve to be viewed in such a _ they don't deserve to be viewed in such a way — they don't deserve to be viewed in such a way-— they don't deserve to be viewed in suchawa. . ~' such a way. yeah. gray i don't think ou can such a way. yeah. gray i don't think you can justify _ such a way. yeah. gray i don't think you can justify putting _ such a way. yeah. gray i don't think you can justify putting their - such a way. yeah. gray i don't think you can justify putting their safety l you can justify putting their safety at risk and others... just you can justify putting their safety at risk and others. . ._ at risk and others... just for the sake of public _ at risk and others... just for the sake of public interest - at risk and others... just for the sake of public interest in - at risk and others... just for the sake of public interest in selling papers — sake of public interest in selling papers at — sake of public interest in selling papers. at the _ sake of public interest in selling papers. at the end _ sake of public interest in selling papers. at the end of— sake of public interest in selling papers. at the end of the - sake of public interest in selling papers. at the end of the day, i sake of public interest in selling - papers. at the end of the day, there is a moral— papers. at the end of the day, there is a moral duty— papers. at the end of the day, there is a moral duty for _ papers. at the end of the day, there is a moral duty for the _ papers. at the end of the day, there is a moral duty for the press - papers. at the end of the day, there is a moral duty for the press to - is a moral duty for the press to abide _ is a moral duty for the press to abide try— is a moral duty for the press to abide by standards, _ is a moral duty for the press to abide by standards, and - is a moral duty for the press to abide by standards, and it - is a moral duty for the press to abide by standards, and it is i is a moral duty for the press to i abide by standards, and it is like all these — abide by standards, and it is like all these rules— abide by standards, and it is like all these rules are _ abide by standards, and it is like all these rules are not _ abide by standards, and it is like all these rules are not getting i all these rules are not getting followed _ all these rules are not getting followed it _ all these rules are not getting followed. it is— all these rules are not getting followed. it is turning - all these rules are not getting followed. it is turning into- followed. it is turning into harassment, _ followed. it is turning into harassment, it _ followed. it is turning into harassment, it is. - followed. it is turning into harassment, it is. it- followed. it is turning into harassment, it is. it has. followed. it is turning into. harassment, it is. it hasjust escalated _ harassment, it is. it hasjust escalated and _ harassment, it is. it hasjust escalated and it _ harassment, it is. it hasjust escalated and it makes- harassment, it is. it hasjust escalated and it makes me i harassment, it is. it hasjust. escalated and it makes me so harassment, it is. it hasjust - escalated and it makes me so worried for them _ escalated and it makes me so worried for them i_ escalated and it makes me so worried forthem~ idon't— escalated and it makes me so worried for them. idon't know— escalated and it makes me so worried for them. i don't know what _ escalated and it makes me so worried for them. i don't know what to - escalated and it makes me so worried for them. i don't know what to say. i for them. i don't know what to say. like history— for them. i don't know what to say. like history repeating _ for them. i don't know what to say. like history repeating itself - for them. i don't know what to say. like history repeating itself in - for them. i don't know what to say. like history repeating itself in a - like history repeating itself in a tragic way, potentially? yes. what it must have _ tragic way, potentially? yes. what it must have been like for him in there with them crowding around the car, pressing lenses against the window and flash, flash, flash. what window and flash, flash, flash. what ha--ened window and flash, flash, flash. what happened to — window and flash, flash, flash. what happened to diana _ window and flash, flash, flash. what happened to diana has _ window and flash, flash, flash. what happened to diana has been investigated _ happened to diana has been investigated and _ happened to diana has been investigated and was - happened to diana has been investigated and was put - happened to diana has beenl investigated and was put into happened to diana has been- investigated and was put into the driver— investigated and was put into the driver and — investigated and was put into the driver and excess _ investigated and was put into the driver and excess speed, - investigated and was put into the driver and excess speed, but- investigated and was put into the i driver and excess speed, but there was paparazzi _ driver and excess speed, but there was paparazzi pursuing _ driver and excess speed, but there

was paparazzi pursuing them... - driver and excess speed, but there i was paparazzi pursuing them... that had some _ was paparazzi pursuing them... that had some contribution— was paparazzi pursuing them... that had some contribution to _ was paparazzi pursuing them... that had some contribution to it- was paparazzi pursuing them... that had some contribution to it and - was paparazzi pursuing them... that had some contribution to it and it. had some contribution to it and it really— had some contribution to it and it really does — had some contribution to it and it really does feel— had some contribution to it and it really does feel like _ had some contribution to it and it really does feel like history - really does feel like history repeating _ really does feel like history repeating itself. _ really does feel like history repeating itself. it- really does feel like history repeating itself. it makes. really does feel like history . repeating itself. it makes me wonder. _ repeating itself. it makes me wonder, when— repeating itself. it makes me wonder, when the _ repeating itself. it makes me wonder, when the press - repeating itself. it makes me wonder, when the press are i repeating itself. it makes me - wonder, when the press are ever going _ wonder, when the press are ever going to — wonder, when the press are ever going to sort _ wonder, when the press are ever going to sort of— wonder, when the press are ever going to sort of ease _ wonder, when the press are ever going to sort of ease of? - wonder, when the press are ever going to sort of ease of? are - wonder, when the press are everl going to sort of ease of? are they going _ going to sort of ease of? are they going to _ going to sort of ease of? are they going to wait _ going to sort of ease of? are they going to wait until— going to sort of ease of? are they going to wait until some - going to sort of ease of? are they going to wait until some tragedy i going to wait until some tragedy happens — going to wait until some tragedy happens and _ going to wait until some tragedy happens and then _ going to wait until some tragedy happens and then there - going to wait until some tragedy happens and then there will - going to wait until some tragedy happens and then there will be i going to wait until some tragedy i happens and then there will be lots of hand-wringing _ happens and then there will be lots of hand—wringing and _ happens and then there will be lots of hand—wringing and may- happens and then there will be lots of hand—wringing and may be - happens and then there will be lots of hand—wringing and may be the l of hand—wringing and may be the palace _ of hand—wringing and may be the palace might— of hand—wringing and may be the palace might eventually- of hand—wringing and may be the palace might eventually sort - of hand—wringing and may be the palace might eventually sort of. of hand—wringing and may be the i palace might eventually sort of stop being _ palace might eventually sort of stop being so _ palace might eventually sort of stop being so silent— palace might eventually sort of stop being so silent about _ palace might eventually sort of stop being so silent about it? _ palace might eventually sort of stop being so silent about it? if- palace might eventually sort of stop being so silent about it? if kate - being so silent about it? if kate and william _ being so silent about it? if kate and william are _ being so silent about it? if kate and william are hounded - being so silent about it? if kate and william are hounded i'm i being so silent about it? if kate . and william are hounded i'm sure they would — and william are hounded i'm sure they would he _ and william are hounded i'm sure they would be some _ and william are hounded i'm sure they would be some kind - and william are hounded i'm sure they would be some kind of- and william are hounded i'm sure - they would be some kind of statement from the _ they would be some kind of statement from the palace — they would be some kind of statement from the palace about _ they would be some kind of statement from the palace about it _ they would be some kind of statement from the palace about it being - from the palace about it being unacceptable, _ from the palace about it being unacceptable, and _ from the palace about it being unacceptable, and the - from the palace about it beingj unacceptable, and the editor's from the palace about it being - unacceptable, and the editor's odesa be unacceptable, and the editor's odesa he followed. — unacceptable, and the editor's odesa be followed, there _ unacceptable, and the editor's odesa be followed, there needs _ unacceptable, and the editor's odesa be followed, there needs to - unacceptable, and the editor's odesa be followed, there needs to be - unacceptable, and the editor's odesa be followed, there needs to be somej be followed, there needs to be some rules followed — be followed, there needs to be some rules followed by _ be followed, there needs to be some rules followed by the _ be followed, there needs to be some rules followed by the press. - be followed, there needs to be some rules followed by the press. but - rules followed by the press. but complete — rules followed by the press. but complete silence _ rules followed by the press. but complete silence by— rules followed by the press. but complete silence by them. - rules followed by the press. but complete silence by them. i- rules followed by the press. but complete silence by them. i suppose --eole complete silence by them. i suppose people may — complete silence by them. i suppose people may argue — complete silence by them. i suppose people may argue they _ complete silence by them. i suppose people may argue they have - complete silence by them. i suppose people may argue they have left, - people may argue they have left, they have said... should still be a duty of care since they have only recently left. flat duty of care since they have only recently left-— recently left. not even like as a next working — recently left. not even like as a next working royal, _ recently left. not even like as a next working royal, as - recently left. not even like as a next working royal, as family, | recently left. not even like as a - next working royal, as family, they have so _ next working royal, as family, they have so much— next working royal, as family, they have so much power— next working royal, as family, they have so much power and _ next working royal, as family, they have so much power and influencel next working royal, as family, they. have so much power and influence the

royals. _ have so much power and influence the royals. they— have so much power and influence the royals. they are — have so much power and influence the royals. they are in _ have so much power and influence the royals, they are in such _ have so much power and influence the royals, they are in such good - have so much power and influence the royals, they are in such good favour. royals, they are in such good favour nowm _ royals, they are in such good favour now... , ., ., ., now... they have to pay for their own security. — now... they have to pay for their own security, having _ now... they have to pay for their own security, having the? - now... they have to pay for their own security, having the? gray . now... they have to pay for their i own security, having the? gray and now... they have to pay for their - own security, having the? gray and i think that is wrong, because somebody... if think that is wrong, because somebody. . ._ think that is wrong, because somebod ., , , ., somebody... if someone serves as a prime minister _ somebody... if someone serves as a prime minister in _ somebody... if someone serves as a prime minister in this _ somebody... if someone serves as a prime minister in this country - somebody... if someone serves as a prime minister in this country they . prime minister in this country they -et prime minister in this country they get ongoing — prime minister in this country they get ongoing pay— prime minister in this country they get ongoing pay security, - prime minister in this country they get ongoing pay security, as - prime minister in this country they get ongoing pay security, as they. get ongoing pay security, as they have _ get ongoing pay security, as they have a _ get ongoing pay security, as they have a certain _ get ongoing pay security, as they have a certain kind _ get ongoing pay security, as they have a certain kind of— get ongoing pay security, as they have a certain kind of risk- get ongoing pay security, as they have a certain kind of risk aroundj have a certain kind of risk around them _ have a certain kind of risk around them i_ have a certain kind of risk around them ithink— have a certain kind of risk around them. i think somebody- have a certain kind of risk around them. i think somebody like - have a certain kind of risk aroundl them. i think somebody like harry have a certain kind of risk around - them. i think somebody like harry as an x roval— them. i think somebody like harry as an x royal should _ them. i think somebody like harry as an x royal should really— them. i think somebody like harry as an x royal should really also - an x royal should really also receive — an x royal should really also receive something. - an x royal should really also receive something.— an x royal should really also receive something.- receive something. don't go anywhere. _ receive something. don't go anywhere, and _ receive something. don't go anywhere, and likewise, - receive something. don't go - anywhere, and likewise, rebecca stick around. i'll come to you, duncan. gavin and steve with us. good morning, gentlemen. gavin, should be leave them alone and let them get on with their lives and to love? it is love, we heard that they are from rebecca. goodness me, they are from rebecca. goodness me, they are being persecuted. the

are from rebecca. goodness me, they are being persecuted.— are being persecuted. the lady that was 'ust are being persecuted. the lady that wasiust talking. — are being persecuted. the lady that was just talking, she _ are being persecuted. the lady that wasjust talking, she said _ are being persecuted. the lady that wasjust talking, she said she - are being persecuted. the lady that wasjust talking, she said she was l was just talking, she said she was worried about them and i can see why, but it is history repeating itself thing, specifically the car chase, i've never been any position where i have followed by paparazzi and involved in car chases but the car chase itself, when diana died, the car chase was unnecessary. why doesn't the driver —— why does the driver have the speed of? they are going to be followed, i don't know what it is like to be followed by paparazzi but it is not necessary to speed up. it is going to happen, why speed up. it is going to happen, why speed off and put lives in danger? i know diana did not have a seat belt, was surrounded by people who should have known better. the driver should have known better. the driver should have looked after her better, dodi, the security guard had a seat belt on, he was the only one that did not die. what the hell is harry doing getting into a car chase? he should know better as well? i've really got

to agree... know better as well? i've really got to agree- - -— to agree... they are following a runnina to agree... they are following a running rabbit. _ to agree. .. they are following a running rabbit. if— to agree... they are following a running rabbit. if they - to agree... they are following a running rabbit. if they run, - to agree... they are following a running rabbit. if they run, they are going — running rabbit. if they run, they are going to create a chase. exactly _ are going to create a chase. exactl . �* , . exactly. and given the experience the have exactly. and given the experience they have had _ exactly. and given the experience they have had with _ exactly. and given the experience they have had with their - exactly. and given the experience they have had with their mother, | they have had with their mother, surely— they have had with their mother, surely this— they have had with their mother, surely this is contrived, isn't it? given— surely this is contrived, isn't it? given all— surely this is contrived, isn't it? given all that they know on the security— given all that they know on the security advice they've got, surely this is— security advice they've got, surely this is contrived? just to create column— this is contrived? just to create column inches? it this is contrived? just to create column inches?— this is contrived? just to create column inches? it is the paparazzi that won the _ column inches? it is the paparazzi that won the column _ column inches? it is the paparazzi that won the column inches, - column inches? it is the paparazzi that won the column inches, they| that won the column inches, they want the photographs, to sell them... �* want the photographs, to sell them... . , ., want the photographs, to sell them... . ., ., , them... are you going to stop them? i don't them. .. are you going to stop them? i don't know— them. .. are you going to stop them? i don't know if— them... are you going to stop them? i don't know if it _ them... are you going to stop them? i don't know if it is _ them... are you going to stop them? i don't know if it is possible _ them... are you going to stop them? i don't know if it is possible to - idon't know if it is possible to stop— i don't know if it is possible to stop them, but surely harry is in a position— stop them, but surely harry is in a position where he can stop them, smile _ position where he can stop them, smile for— position where he can stop them, smile for the camera, say to the driver— smile for the camera, say to the driver do — smile for the camera, say to the driver do not speed off, because i've experienced this previously, my mother— i've experienced this previously, my mother died in a car chase...

i've experienced this previously, my mother died in a car chase. . .- mother died in a car chase... surely that is what — mother died in a car chase... surely that is what a _ mother died in a car chase. .. surely that is what a normal— mother died in a car chase... surely that is what a normal person - mother died in a car chase... surely that is what a normal person would | that is what a normal person would do. surely that is what normal people would do rather than risk an accident and people?— people would do rather than risk an accident and people? rebecca orjoe, do ou accident and people? rebecca orjoe, do you want — accident and people? rebecca orjoe, do you want to _ accident and people? rebecca orjoe, do you want to come _ accident and people? rebecca orjoe, do you want to come back— accident and people? rebecca orjoe, do you want to come back in? - accident and people? rebecca orjoe, do you want to come back in? i - accident and people? rebecca orjoe, do you want to come back in? i think| do you want to come back in? i think ou can do you want to come back in? i think you can blame _ do you want to come back in? i think you can blame the _ do you want to come back in? i think you can blame the victim _ do you want to come back in? i think you can blame the victim here, - do you want to come back in? i think| you can blame the victim here, which is harry _ you can blame the victim here, which is harry -- _ you can blame the victim here, which is harry -- you — you can blame the victim here, which is harry -- you can't— you can blame the victim here, which is harry. —— you can't blame - you can blame the victim here, which is harry. —— you can't blame the - is harry. —— you can't blame the victim — is harry. —— you can't blame the victim the _ is harry. —— you can't blame the victim. the pressure _ is harry. —— you can't blame the victim. the pressure follow - is harry. —— you can't blame the. victim. the pressure follow some certain— victim. the pressure follow some certain rules _ victim. the pressure follow some certain rules. of— victim. the pressure follow some certain rules.— certain rules. of course they should. certain rules. of course they should- go _ certain rules. of course they should. go on, _ certain rules. of course they should. go on, sorry. - certain rules. of course they should. go on, sorry. i- certain rules. of course they should. go on, sorry. i don't certain rules. of course they - should. go on, sorry. i don't think ou should. go on, sorry. i don't think you should _ should. go on, sorry. i don't think you should say — should. go on, sorry. i don't think you should say you _ should. go on, sorry. i don't think you should say you should - should. go on, sorry. i don't think you should say you should let - should. go on, sorry. i don't think. you should say you should let them endure _ you should say you should let them endure this — you should say you should let them endure this and _ you should say you should let them endure this and put _ you should say you should let them endure this and put up _ you should say you should let them endure this and put up with - you should say you should let them endure this and put up with it - you should say you should let them endure this and put up with it and i endure this and put up with it and it should — endure this and put up with it and it should happen... _ endure this and put up with it and it should happen... buil— endure this and put up with it and it should happen. . ._ it should happen... but you are describing _ it should happen... but you are describing an _ it should happen... but you are describing an ideal _ it should happen... but you are describing an ideal world. - it should happen... but you are describing an ideal world. it - it should happen... but you are describing an ideal world. it is. it should happen... but you are i describing an ideal world. it is not an ideal world. describing an ideal world. it is not an idealworld. if describing an ideal world. it is not an ideal world. if you can stop them following, fine, but you can't, and harry, if this is true what has happened in new york, he is getting involved in a car chase, he does not need to be involved. i involved in a car chase, he does not need to be involved.— need to be involved. i think you are blamin: need to be involved. i think you are blaming the — need to be involved. i think you are blaming the victim _ need to be involved. i think you are blaming the victim here. _ need to be involved. i think you are blaming the victim here. i - need to be involved. i think you are blaming the victim here. i think - need to be involved. i think you are blaming the victim here. i think the institution — blaming the victim here. i think the institution which _ blaming the victim here. i think the

institution which is _ blaming the victim here. i think the institution which is the _ blaming the victim here. i think the institution which is the player- blaming the victim here. i think the institution which is the player 5 - institution which is the player 5 needs— institution which is the player 5 needs to — institution which is the player 5 needs to have _ institution which is the player 5 needs to have a _ institution which is the player 5 needs to have a bit _ institution which is the player 5 needs to have a bit more - needs to have a bit more responsibility— needs to have a bit more responsibility about - needs to have a bit more responsibility about it. needs to have a bit more responsibility about it ——i needs to have a bit more - responsibility about it —— the press — responsibility about it —— the press 0t— responsibility about it -- the ress. . ., , y responsibility about it -- the ress. , , ., ., press. of course they do. i agree with you- — press. of course they do. i agree with you- l _ press. of course they do. i agree with you. i agree _ press. of course they do. i agree with you. i agree with _ press. of course they do. i agree with you. i agree with you - press. of course they do. i agree with you. i agree with you but. press. of course they do. i agree | with you. i agree with you but you are describing an ideal world, i'm describing reality. sorry. this are describing an ideal world, i'm describing reality. sorry.- describing reality. sorry. this is rebecca now— describing reality. sorry. this is rebecca now speaking, - describing reality. sorry. this is rebecca now speaking, i- describing reality. sorry. this is rebecca now speaking, i have l describing reality. sorry. this is- rebecca now speaking, i have heard your points — rebecca now speaking, i have heard your points that you have made there. — your points that you have made there. and _ your points that you have made there, andjoe, i'm very your points that you have made there, and joe, i'm very much on your— there, and joe, i'm very much on your side — there, and joe, i'm very much on your side regarding the conversation and where _ your side regarding the conversation and where deciding. however, what i believe _ and where deciding. however, what i believe that everyone to have not addressed is the fact that meghan was in _ addressed is the fact that meghan was in that car. meghan has made it publicised _ was in that car. meghan has made it publicised that she suffers from mental — publicised that she suffers from mental health and has been on the verge _ mental health and has been on the verge of— mental health and has been on the verge of that. harry is a protective husband — verge of that. harry is a protective husband. with what is going on and without— husband. with what is going on and without meghan has been addressed through— without meghan has been addressed through the press in the past and of recent— through the press in the past and of recent days, it's only natural that he would —

recent days, it's only natural that he would want to be the protective individual — he would want to be the protective individual that he is, so we don't know— individual that he is, so we don't know what— individual that he is, so we don't know what happened in that car as yet, know what happened in that car as yet. we _ know what happened in that car as yet. we are — know what happened in that car as yet, we are all speculating, and regarding — yet, we are all speculating, and regarding harry, he may have, like the gentleman said, sped off, but it is more _ the gentleman said, sped off, but it is more to— the gentleman said, sped off, but it is more to do with the fear than the fact of— is more to do with the fear than the fact of his _ is more to do with the fear than the fact of his position. it is more to do with— fact of his position. it is more to do with the _ fact of his position. it is more to do with the protecting of the family — do with the protecting of the famil . ., , do with the protecting of the famil . ., . ., , do with the protecting of the famil. ., ,., _.. family. how is harry protecting mechan family. how is harry protecting meghan by _ family. how is harry protecting meghan by letting _ family. how is harry protecting meghan by letting a _ family. how is harry protecting meghan by letting a driver- family. how is harry protecting . meghan by letting a driver speed family. how is harry protecting - meghan by letting a driver speed off and get involved in a car chase? how is that protecting her? that is putting her in danger. speeding off... it putting her in danger. speeding off... . putting her in danger. speeding off... , ., ., ., off... it is to get away from danger- _ off... it is to get away from danger- it _ off... it is to get away from danger. it is _ off... it is to get away from danger. it is putting - off... it is to get away from danger. it is putting them i off... it is to get away from | danger. it is putting them in dancer. danger. it is putting them in danger- lf — danger. it is putting them in danger. if someone - danger. it is putting them in danger. if someone had - danger. it is putting them in danger. if someone had got| danger. it is putting them in . danger. if someone had got her danger. it is putting them in - danger. if someone had got her here in all of this. — danger. if someone had got her here in all of this, what _ danger. if someone had got her here in all of this, what would _ danger. if someone had got her here in all of this, what would have - danger. if someone had got her here in all of this, what would have been l in all of this, what would have been the fallout— in all of this, what would have been the fallout for everyone concerned? -- if _ the fallout for everyone concerned? —— if someone had got hurt. harry,

meghan. _ —— if someone had got hurt. harry, meghan. the — —— if someone had got hurt. harry, meghan, the people injured, if that had happened. surely that is more catastrophic than what it would be for having — catastrophic than what it would be for having a few photographs taken of you _ for having a few photographs taken of you for— for having a few photographs taken of you for an error and a half? i hear of you for an error and a half? hear what of you for an error and a half? i hear what you're saying but... if of you for an error and a half? i . hear what you're saying but... if i can no hear what you're saying but... if i can go one _ hear what you're saying but... can go one step further... hear what you're saying but... if i can go one step further... any . can go one step further... any second. can go one step further... any second- i _ can go one step further... any second. i want _ can go one step further... any second. i want to _ can go one step further... sin; second. i want to hearjoe can go one step further... jifuy second. i want to hearjoe and then you can. i second. i want to hearjoe and then ou can. ., �* ~ second. i want to hearjoe and then oucan. .,�* you can. i don't think you can 'usti you can. i don't think you can justify hounding _ you can. i don't think you can justify hounding them - you can. i don't think you can justify hounding them the - you can. i don't think you can | justify hounding them the way you can. i don't think you can - justify hounding them the way they are being _ justify hounding them the way they are being hounded. _ justify hounding them the way they are being hounded. meghan- justify hounding them the way they are being hounded. meghan has. justify hounding them the way they- are being hounded. meghan has mental problems. _ are being hounded. meghan has mental problems. the _ are being hounded. meghan has mental problems, the struggles, _ are being hounded. meghan has mental problems, the struggles, obviously. - problems, the struggles, obviously. but harry— problems, the struggles, obviously. but harry as — problems, the struggles, obviously. but harry as well, _ problems, the struggles, obviously. but harry as well, he _ problems, the struggles, obviously. but harry as well, he lost _ problems, the struggles, obviously. but harry as well, he lost his- but harry as well, he lost his motherm _ but harry as well, he lost his mother- - -_ but harry as well, he lost his mother... �* .. , ., , mother... but are they not putting themselves _ mother... but are they not putting themselves out _ mother... but are they not putting themselves out therea _ mother... but are they not putting themselves out therea minute... l mother... but are they not putting i themselves out therea minute... did you see or hear about the south park, it can be very amusing comedy south park episode on harry and meghan and it was entitled the

worldwide privacy tour? at meghan and it was entitled the worldwide privacy tour?- meghan and it was entitled the worldwide privacy tour? at the end ofthe worldwide privacy tour? at the end of the day they _ worldwide privacy tour? at the end of the day they have _ worldwide privacy tour? at the end of the day they have to _ worldwide privacy tour? at the end of the day they have to live - worldwide privacy tour? at the end of the day they have to live their i of the day they have to live their lives _ of the day they have to live their lives they — of the day they have to live their lives. they watch _ of the day they have to live their lives. they watch something - lives. they watch something recently~~ _ lives. they watch something recently---— recently... they conduct tv interviews. _ recently... they conduct tv interviews, set _ recently... they conduct tv interviews, set of _ recently... they conduct tv interviews, set of firework. recently... they conduct tv - interviews, set of firework displays around the town for privacy, set of firework displays for privacy. right, so, based on what you're saying _ right, so, based on what you're saying about the privacy, now, let's flip the _ saying about the privacy, now, let's flip the coin — saying about the privacy, now, let's flip the coin about you and look at our own— flip the coin about you and look at our own self. as someone like yourself — our own self. as someone like yourself who is in the limelight... i am _ yourself who is in the limelight... i am a _ yourself who is in the limelight... i am a d— yourself who is in the limelight... i am a d lester, this does not apply to me, this is for a listers. bind to me, this is for a listers. and ou are to me, this is for a listers. and you are constantly _ to me, this is for a listers. and you are constantly given negative press. _ you are constantly given negative press, that the only view the public could _ press, that the only view the public could see _ press, that the only view the public could see was the negative whatever

what the _ could see was the negative whatever what the media was putting out there. — what the media was putting out there, that's all we knew, 0kthey have _ there, that's all we knew, 0kthey have an _ there, that's all we knew, 0kthey have an opportunity now to allow the public _ have an opportunity now to allow the public in. _ have an opportunity now to allow the public in. to— have an opportunity now to allow the public in, to see who they really are or— public in, to see who they really are or to— public in, to see who they really are or to show us what they feel we need _ are or to show us what they feel we need to— are or to show us what they feel we need to see. — are or to show us what they feel we need to see, 0k? and that's what they're _ need to see, 0k? and that's what they're doing. yes, they got paid for it. _ they're doing. yes, they got paid for it. he — they're doing. yes, they got paid for it, he wouldn't... find they're doing. yes, they got paid for it, he wouldn't...— they're doing. yes, they got paid for it, he wouldn't... for it, he wouldn't. .. and they are sick of the — for it, he wouldn't. .. and they are sick of the what _ for it, he wouldn't. .. and they are sick of the what celebrity - for it, he wouldn't. .. and they are sick of the what celebrity would i for it, he wouldn't. .. and they are l sick of the what celebrity would not let aid sick of the what celebrity would not get paid for — sick of the what celebrity would not get paid for a _ sick of the what celebrity would not get paid for a magazine _ sick of the what celebrity would not get paid for a magazine article, - get paid for a magazine article, they— get paid for a magazine article, they are — get paid for a magazine article, they are entitled. the same thing they are entitled. the same thing the gentlemen were saying, the security— the gentlemen were saying, the security in— the gentlemen were saying, the security in the uk was being pulled away from — security in the uk was being pulled away from them, they have to make ends meet _ away from them, they have to make ends meet like the rest of us. the thing is- -- — ends meet like the rest of us. the thing is... who _ ends meet like the rest of us. tue: thing is... who wanted to go ends meet like the rest of us. tue thing is... who wanted to go one step further? thing is. .. who wanted to go one step further?— thing is... who wanted to go one step further? thing is... who wanted to go one ste further? .. ., , ., step further? that was me, steve. i was 'ust step further? that was me, steve. i wasiust going _ step further? that was me, steve. i was just going to — step further? that was me, steve. i wasjust going to say, _ step further? that was me, steve. i wasjust going to say, given - step further? that was me, steve. i wasjust going to say, given all - was just going to say, given all the knowledge they have got around them, given that the security advice they've been exposed to, as a x older and they have mental health issues, i don't see why, i am not

wedded to either side of this argument particularly, isjust wedded to either side of this argument particularly, is just an observation, but why expose yourself to that and rescue mental health? —— risk. d0 to that and rescue mental health? -- risk. , :, ~ to that and rescue mental health? -- risk. ,, ~' , to that and rescue mental health? -- risk. ~ , , ., ., risk. do you think they should go and live in _ risk. do you think they should go and live in a _ risk. do you think they should go and live in a cave, _ risk. do you think they should go and live in a cave, then? - risk. do you think they should go and live in a cave, then? they i risk. do you think they should go i and live in a cave, then? they have and live in a cave, then? they have a right— and live in a cave, then? they have a right to _ and live in a cave, then? they have a right to be — and live in a cave, then? they have a right to be able _ and live in a cave, then? they have a right to be able to— and live in a cave, then? they have a right to be able to go— and live in a cave, then? they have a right to be able to go about - and live in a cave, then? they have a right to be able to go about theirl a right to be able to go about their normal_ a right to be able to go about their normal lives — a right to be able to go about their normal lives.— a right to be able to go about their normal lives.- the - a right to be able to go about their normal lives.- the other i normal lives. exactly. the other thin . normal lives. exactly. the other thin is, normal lives. exactly. the other thing is. she — normal lives. exactly. the other thing is, she has— normal lives. exactly. the other thing is, she hasjust _ normal lives. exactly. the other thing is, she hasjust won - normal lives. exactly. the other thing is, she hasjust won the i normal lives. exactly. the other- thing is, she hasjust won the women thing is, she has just won the women of vision award at the miss foundation for women event, so after all the negativity, there is loads of negativity, often said you have similar articles about kate and megan but they are always positive about kate, always negative about meghan. wait a about kate, always negative about meghan. waita minute... ijust want to make this point, if i may. she has come out of that, it's been a wonderful atmosphere and she has been recognised as a woman of vision and then she gets out there and it

is, god, it's them again and all the negativity and you know these photos are going to be part of negative headlines. w , are going to be part of negative headlines.- duncan. - are going to be part of negative - headlines.- duncan. former headlines. exactly. duncan. former ro al headlines. exactly. duncan. former royal editor — headlines. exactly. duncan. former royal editor of _ headlines. exactly. duncan. former royal editor of the _ headlines. exactly. duncan. former royal editor of the sun. _ headlines. exactly. duncan. former royal editor of the sun. to - headlines. exactly. duncan. former royal editor of the sun. to use - royal editor of the sun. to use think that they ask for this? i don't think anyone deserves to have their lives put at risk but i think... people don't realise what goes on behind the scenes, and i think that includes one or two of your callers, when harry and meghan were back in the uk, as far back as 2008 with harry and william there were concerns about paparazzi photographers sort of persuading just to get a more newsworthy photograph and it was a real problem and we came up with guidelines that were not rules or laws, just guidelines, where if there was a pursuit as a new york or harassment or people swearing at them or if

they had a reasonable expectation of privacy from where they were, any of those three criteria, before publishing it we would phone the palace, the palace would tell us the details and background and context and we would not run the pictures, period, full stop. harry and meghan unfortunately have walked away from that because there are not those lines of communication is now, because they have embarked on their own war against the british media for their own reasons. this own war against the british media for their own reasons.— for their own reasons. this is why the british _ for their own reasons. this is why the british media _ for their own reasons. this is why the british media are _ for their own reasons. this is why the british media are so - for their own reasons. this is why the british media are so horrible l for their own reasons. this is why l the british media are so horrible to them, it is a vicious cycle. the british media are horrible to the mentally take action against the british media for the lies and the distortions and then the british media are even more horrible to them. i think ithinka i think a lot of the lies and distortion seem to be emanating from montecito not the media itself. the taxi driver said they were not in the taxi driver two hours, completely different description from an eyewitness of what harry has put out in a statement. complete doubt over what on earth the

princess talking about in relation to the reality of what happened. —— the prince. to the reality of what happened. -- the prince-— to the reality of what happened. -- the prince. euphemism for we want ublici . the prince. euphemism for we want publicity. coveted _ the prince. euphemism for we want publicity. coveted the _ the prince. euphemism for we want publicity. coveted the press, - the prince. euphemism for we want publicity. coveted the press, when| publicity. coveted the press, when promoting his book, no middle ground, that is from darryl. they have brought this on themselves, courted publicity, they have got it. when it goes quiet, another drama. this one, why should they have been followed home? the papers should stop at the event. if ordinary people were followed home from the pub, they would not like it. another, the people who consume the stuff, the problem. thank you for all of those comments. let us hear from them mayor of new york, when i can... yeah. here he is, eric adams,

welcome diversion from talking about donald trump for him no doubt. this is what the mayor site. i donald trump for him no doubt. this is what the mayor site.— is what the mayor site. i would find it hard to believe _ is what the mayor site. i would find it hard to believe that _ is what the mayor site. i would find it hard to believe that there - is what the mayor site. i would find it hard to believe that there was . is what the mayor site. i would find it hard to believe that there was a i it hard to believe that there was a two-hour— it hard to believe that there was a two—hour high—speed chase, that would _ two—hour high—speed chase, that would hem — two—hour high—speed chase, that would be... ifind it hard to believe _ would be... ifind it hard to believe. we will find the exact iteration— believe. we will find the exact iteration of it. if it is ten minutes, _ iteration of it. if it is ten minutes, ten minute chase is extremely dangerous in new york city. extremely dangerous in new york city we _ extremely dangerous in new york city. we have a lot of traffic, movement, people using the streets. any type _ movement, people using the streets. any type of— movement, people using the streets. any type of high speed chase involving something of that nature is inappropriate. involving something of that nature is inappropriate-— involving something of that nature is inappropriate. there we are, what do ou is inappropriate. there we are, what do you think? _ is inappropriate. there we are, what do you think? harry _ is inappropriate. there we are, what do you think? harry and _ is inappropriate. there we are, what do you think? harry and meghan, i do you think? harry and meghan, leave them alone? magnificent calls so far in this ongoing debate. the latest chapter. 08085 909693. text us on 85058. the paper chase in new york, more coming your way.

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the nation's phoning, bbc radio 5 live, iplayer, talking about, first sewage, second our gutter press, some might say. leave harry and meghan alone? duke of dutchess and sussex and her mother involved by aspects —— involved in a near catastrophic car chase, says a spokesperson. what do we think? a variety of different things. james, broadcaster, really want to get your perspective on this? i am broadcaster, really want to get your perspective on this?— perspective on this? i am disgusted b what i perspective on this? i am disgusted by what i am _ perspective on this? i am disgusted by what i am hearing _ perspective on this? i am disgusted by what i am hearing from - perspective on this? i am disgusted by what i am hearing from so - perspective on this? i am disgusted by what i am hearing from so many| by what i am hearing from so many people in this country today i think it is outrageous we are having this reaction to something that has been described as near catastrophic,

people are gas lighting harry and meghan, people saying they deserve it because they left the royal family, so they do not have protection any more. utterly disgusting. protection any more. utterly disgusting-— protection any more. utterly distrustin. , , ., , disgusting. lucy instant lives, hello. hello. _ disgusting. lucy instant lives, hello. hello. speak— disgusting. lucy instant lives, hello. hello. speak to - disgusting. lucy instant lives, hello. hello. speak to james | disgusting. lucy instant lives, - hello. hello. speak to james foster utterly disgusting. _ hello. hello. speak to james foster utterly disgusting. near— utterly disgusting. near catastrophic —— in st ives. people are making light of it. catastrophic -- in st ives. people are making light of it.— are making light of it. well, i think what — are making light of it. well, i think what has _ are making light of it. well, i think what has happened - are making light of it. well, i think what has happened is l are making light of it. well, i- think what has happened is probably contrived _ think what has happened is probably contrived a — think what has happened is probably contrived a little bit, like the previous _ contrived a little bit, like the previous chap said. he just wants his security — previous chap said. he just wants his security back and if he makes out he _ his security back and if he makes out he has — his security back and if he makes out he has been through this terrible — out he has been through this terrible situation in new york, his dad will— terrible situation in new york, his dad will say, ok, pay for his security _ dad will say, ok, pay for his security-— dad will say, ok, pay for his securi . ., , . ., , dad will say, ok, pay for his securi. ., . ., security. that is so ridiculous. you are saying — security. that is so ridiculous. you are saying you _ security. that is so ridiculous. you are saying you do _ security. that is so ridiculous. you are saying you do not _ security. that is so ridiculous. you are saying you do not believe - security. that is so ridiculous. youj are saying you do not believe what harry has said in a statement? ila. harry has said in a statement? no, not that i don't _

harry has said in a statement? no, not that i don't believe it has happened, i don't believe it is catastrophic. like the guy said... they— catastrophic. like the guy said... they sat — catastrophic. like the guy said... they sat near catastrophic... is anyone listening? members of the public nearly injured. what do you expect them to do? from what i am reading, they went to a police station for help, they got into a taxi as a decoy, decided it would not work, went back to the police station, the whole thing lasted two hours. what are they meant to do? sit in the car? yeah, and have their picture _ sit in the car? yeah, and have their picture taken. why not? that is what they want _ picture taken. why not? that is what the want. , ., ., they want. they have had their icture they want. they have had their picture taken, _ they want. they have had their picture taken, they _ they want. they have had their picture taken, they want - they want. they have had their picture taken, they want to - they want. they have had their| picture taken, they want to go. they want. they have had their- picture taken, they want to go. you expect them to stay there all night? have their picture taken where they wanted _ have their picture taken where they wanted their picture taken which was under— wanted their picture taken which was under control situation. do wanted their picture taken which was under control situation.— under control situation. do you have facebook? instagram? _ under control situation. do you have facebook? instagram? no. - under control situation. do you have facebook? instagram? no. i- under control situation. do you have facebook? instagram? no. i am - under control situation. do you have | facebook? instagram? no. i am sure friends facebook? instagram? no. lam sure friends do, they post a picture in a

location they are happy with, they would not expect the paparazzi to show up at the house and take a photo washing a casserole dish. thea;r photo washing a casserole dish. they are not photo washing a casserole dish. they are rrot prince _ photo washing a casserole dish. they are not prince harry? i— photo washing a casserole dish. they are not prince harry? i don't- are not prince harry? i don't understand _ are not prince harry? i don't understand that _ are not prince harry? i don't understand that argument. l are not prince harry? i don't. understand that argument. he are not prince harry? i don't- understand that argument. he has crown u- understand that argument. he has grown up in _ understand that argument. he has grown up in the — understand that argument. he has grown up in the royal— understand that argument. he has grown up in the royalfamily, - understand that argument. he has grown up in the royalfamily, he i understand that argument. he has. grown up in the royalfamily, he has grown up in the royal family, he has left the _ grown up in the royal family, he has left the royal family, he has lived off the _ left the royal family, he has lived off the british taxpayer purse all his life. — off the british taxpayer purse all his life, he has decided to leave. this happened in new york. your ara ument this happened in new york. your argument there _ this happened in new york. your argument there about _ this happened in new york. m;- argument there about him living off the british taxpayer purse, he has decided he does not want to do that any more. but decided he does not want to do that an more. �* , ., ., any more. but he is angling for securi , any more. but he is angling for security, frightened _ any more. but he is angling for security, frightened his - any more. but he is angling for security, frightened his wife i any more. but he is angling for| security, frightened his wife will -et security, frightened his wife will get hurt — security, frightened his wife will get hurt i— security, frightened his wife will get hurt. i understand that. i saw princess— get hurt. i understand that. i saw princess diana funeral, i was there, i was _ princess diana funeral, i was there, i was in _ princess diana funeral, i was there, i was in london when it happened. it was awful _ i was in london when it happened. it was awful i— i was in london when it happened. it was awful. i would hate that to happen — was awful. i would hate that to happen. all he had to do was smile and have _ happen. all he had to do was smile and have a — happen. all he had to do was smile and have a few pictures taken. i and have a few pictures taken. don't think and have a few pictures taken. i don't think it is as simple as that.

he hates the press. he is trying to not let— he hates the press. he is trying to not let his — he hates the press. he is trying to not let his picture be taken. he has this total— not let his picture be taken. he has this total thing against press. i can understand that. but it wasn't the british— can understand that. but it wasn't the british press, it wasn't the american _ the british press, it wasn't the american press that killed his mother, — american press that killed his mother, it was the french press. she died because — mother, it was the french press. she died because of the chase because the car— died because of the chase because the car going into a pillar. no wonder so — the car going into a pillar. in; wonder so traumatised, can you imagine all of the flashbacks of the misery and tragedy of your life? i agree, pay foryour own misery and tragedy of your life? i agree, pay for your own security. you are _ agree, pay for your own security. you are diminishing the fact don't like what they do pay for their own security, this got out of hand, they had to get the nypd to help them, you are diminishing the fact they deserve some safety and privacy despite the fact they are this famous. i think it is so shocking to lack that level of empathy for the situation. i lack that level of empathy for the situation. ~ ., ., , situation. i know, i have very little empathy _ situation. i know, i have very little empathy for _ situation. i know, i have very little empathy for the - situation. i know, i have very little empathy for the royal i situation. i know, i have very - little empathy for the royal family,

i don't _ little empathy for the royal family, i don't hate them, i completely idon't hate them, i completely neutral— idon't hate them, i completely neutral on— i don't hate them, i completely neutral on the whole subject. you neutral on the whole sub'ect. you are neutral on the whole sub'ect. you extremely * neutral on the whole subject. you. are extremely neutral. joe in ibsen, jilly in bristol, steve in devon. good morning. james cannot believe what he is hearing, lack of empathy of some of the british public, where are you on this, joe? i of some of the british public, where are you on this, joe?— are you on this, joe? i feel sorry about the _ are you on this, joe? i feel sorry about the fact _ are you on this, joe? i feel sorry about the fact that _ are you on this, joe? i feel sorry about the fact that he _ are you on this, joe? i feel sorry about the fact that he was - are you on this, joe? i feel sorry| about the fact that he was chased are you on this, joe? i feel sorry - about the fact that he was chased by the paparazzi, — about the fact that he was chased by the paparazzi, that _ about the fact that he was chased by the paparazzi, that is _ about the fact that he was chased by the paparazzi, that is not _ about the fact that he was chased by the paparazzi, that is not nice - about the fact that he was chased by the paparazzi, that is not nice for. the paparazzi, that is not nice for anyone — the paparazzi, that is not nice for anyone where _ the paparazzi, that is not nice for anyone where i_ the paparazzi, that is not nice for anyone. where i stand _ the paparazzi, that is not nice for anyone. where i stand on- the paparazzi, that is not nice for anyone. where i stand on the - the paparazzi, that is not nice for- anyone. where i stand on the broader issue _ anyone. where i stand on the broader issue is— anyone. where i stand on the broader issue is they — anyone. where i stand on the broader issue is they cannot _ anyone. where i stand on the broader issue is they cannot change _ anyone. where i stand on the broader issue is they cannot change the - anyone. where i stand on the broader issue is they cannot change the fact i issue is they cannot change the fact they are _ issue is they cannot change the fact they are royal. _ issue is they cannot change the fact they are royal, prince _ issue is they cannot change the fact they are royal, prince harry- issue is they cannot change the fact they are royal, prince harry will- they are royal, prince harry will always— they are royal, prince harry will always be — they are royal, prince harry will always be royal, _ they are royal, prince harry will always be royal, born _ they are royal, prince harry will always be royal, born into- they are royal, prince harry will always be royal, born into that, they are royal, prince harry will- always be royal, born into that, and meghan— always be royal, born into that, and meghan has— always be royal, born into that, and meghan has chosen _ always be royal, born into that, and meghan has chosen that _ always be royal, born into that, and meghan has chosen that when - always be royal, born into that, and meghan has chosen that when she i meghan has chosen that when she married _ meghan has chosen that when she married him. _ meghan has chosen that when she married him, but— meghan has chosen that when she married him, but they— meghan has chosen that when she married him, but they have - meghan has chosen that when she i married him, but they have chosen... they— married him, but they have chosen... they haven't — married him, but they have chosen... they haven't chosen _ married him, but they have chosen... they haven't chosen the _ married him, but they have chosen... they haven't chosen the royal- married him, but they have chosen... they haven't chosen the royal bit - they haven't chosen the royal bit but they— they haven't chosen the royal bit but they have _ they haven't chosen the royal bit but they have chosen _ they haven't chosen the royal bit but they have chosen the - they haven't chosen the royal bit. but they have chosen the celebrity bit and _ but they have chosen the celebrity bit and meghan— but they have chosen the celebrity bit and meghan was _ but they have chosen the celebrity bit and meghan was a _ but they have chosen the celebrity bit and meghan was a celebrity - bit and meghan was a celebrity before — bit and meghan was a celebrity before she _ bit and meghan was a celebrity before she was _ bit and meghan was a celebrity before she was with _ bit and meghan was a celebrity

before she was with harry. - bit and meghan was a celebrity before she was with harry. the bit and meghan was a celebrity - before she was with harry. the level of the _ before she was with harry. the level of the profile — before she was with harry. the level of the profile is— before she was with harry. the level of the profile is different _ before she was with harry. the level of the profile is different and - of the profile is different and maybe — of the profile is different and maybe that _ of the profile is different and maybe that way _ of the profile is different and maybe that way the - of the profile is different and l maybe that way the press has of the profile is different and - maybe that way the press has talked about _ maybe that way the press has talked about her— maybe that way the press has talked about her is— maybe that way the press has talked about her is not— maybe that way the press has talked about her is not good, _ maybe that way the press has talked about her is not good, but— maybe that way the press has talked about her is not good, but it - maybe that way the press has talked about her is not good, but it is - maybe that way the press has talked about her is not good, but it is the i about her is not good, but it is the celebrity— about her is not good, but it is the celebrity life — about her is not good, but it is the celebrity life they— about her is not good, but it is the celebrity life they have _ about her is not good, but it is the celebrity life they have chosen. . about her is not good, but it is the celebrity life they have chosen. if. celebrity life they have chosen. if you want — celebrity life they have chosen. if you want to — celebrity life they have chosen. if you want to avoid _ celebrity life they have chosen. if you want to avoid being - celebrity life they have chosen. if you want to avoid being hassled i celebrity life they have chosen. if. you want to avoid being hassled by the paparazzim _ you want to avoid being hassled by the paparazzi---_ you want to avoid being hassled by the paparazzi... would you say that to diana's family? _ the paparazzi... would you say that to diana's family? would _ the paparazzi... would you say that to diana's family? would you - the paparazzi... would you say that to diana's family? would you say, i to diana's family? would you say, she chose this? i to diana's family? would you say, she chose this?— to diana's family? would you say, she chose this? i was not alive when she chose this? i was not alive when she died. she chose this? i was not alive when she died- i — she chose this? i was not alive when she died. i have _ she chose this? i was not alive when she died. i have no _ she chose this? i was not alive when she died. i have no idea... _ she chose this? i was not alive when she died. i have no idea... would i she died. i have no idea... would ou sa she died. i have no idea... would you say that? _ she died. i have no idea... would you say that? what _ she died. i have no idea... would you say that? what i _ she died. i have no idea... would you say that? what i would i she died. i have no idea... would you say that? what i would say i she died. i have no idea... would you say that? what i would say is she died. i have no idea... would l you say that? what i would say is it was a long — you say that? what i would say is it was a long time _ you say that? what i would say is it was a long time ago, _ you say that? what i would say is it was a long time ago, i _ you say that? what i would say is it was a long time ago, i was - you say that? what i would say is it was a long time ago, i was not i you say that? what i would say is it| was a long time ago, i was not even alive _ was a long time ago, i was not even alive. . ., was a long time ago, i was not even alive. ~ ., ,, was a long time ago, i was not even alive. . ., i. ., was a long time ago, i was not even alive. . ., ., ., alive. would you say that to diana's famil , if alive. would you say that to diana's family. if the _ alive. would you say that to diana's family, if the worst _ alive. would you say that to diana's family, if the worst had _ alive. would you say that to diana's family, if the worst had happened l family, if the worst had happened last night, the night before in new york, would you be saying that today, they did choose this life? no, nobody should be dying in a paparazzi — no, nobody should be dying in a paparazzi chase. _ no, nobody should be dying in a paparazzi chase. you _ no, nobody should be dying in a paparazzi chase.— no, nobody should be dying in a paparazzi chase. you should not be sa inc paparazzi chase. you should not be sa in: it paparazzi chase. you should not be saying it now- _ paparazzi chase. you should not be saying it now. the _ paparazzi chase. you should not be saying it now. the wider _ paparazzi chase. you should not be saying it now. the wider issue i paparazzi chase. you should not be saying it now. the wider issue is i saying it now. the wider issue is the do saying it now. the wider issue is they do rrot _ saying it now. the wider issue is they do not like _ saying it now. the wider issue is they do not like being _ saying it now. the wider issue is they do not like being in - saying it now. the wider issue is they do not like being in the i saying it now. the wider issue is i they do not like being in the news so much — they do not like being in the news so much l— they do not like being in the news so much. ., �* ~' they do not like being in the news so much. ., �* ,, ., , so much. i don't think that is the wider issue- _ so much. i don't think that is the wider issue. the _ so much. i don't think that is the wider issue. the wider _ so much. i don't think that is the wider issue. the wider issue i

so much. i don't think that is the wider issue. the wider issue as i so much. i don't think that is the i wider issue. the wider issue as they are unhappy with the way they have been talked about in the press. they have decided to come out about the lies and tell the truth.— lies and tell the truth. lives in shropshire. — lies and tell the truth. lives in shropshire, joe, _ lies and tell the truth. lives in shropshire, joe, thank - lies and tell the truth. lives in shropshire, joe, thank you, i lies and tell the truth. lives in i shropshire, joe, thank you, putting forward a point very forcefully and passionately and well and, lucy, likewise, simon, former royal protection officer, stephen, ex—cop, you did royal protection... steve, what do you make of the goings—on yesterday? steve in devon. trier? yesterday? steve in devon. very sorry about _ yesterday? steve in devon. very sorry about what _ yesterday? steve in devon. very sorry about what has _ yesterday? steve in devon. very sorry about what has happened to harry— sorry about what has happened to harry and — sorry about what has happened to harry and meghan. the press in this country— harry and meghan. the press in this country have — harry and meghan. the press in this country have to be partly to blame. ithink— country have to be partly to blame. i think the — country have to be partly to blame. i think the royal mail... i country have to be partly to blame. ithink the royal mail... i beg country have to be partly to blame. i think the royal mail... i beg your pardon _ i think the royal mail... i beg your pardon i_ i think the royal mail... i beg your pardon. i think the daily

mailare scum. mail are scum. they have to leave them _ mail are scum. they have to leave them alone — mail are scum. they have to leave them alone. there is no justification for doing what they are doing to harry and meghan who after all— are doing to harry and meghan who after all are just human beings and want to— after all are just human beings and want to live a private life.- want to live a private life. when ou did want to live a private life. when you did royal — want to live a private life. when you did royal protection - want to live a private life. when you did royal protection for i want to live a private life. when you did royal protection for the | you did royal protection for the royals, did you see the paparazzi in action? ., ., ., action? no, we did not have it in those days _ action? no, we did not have it in those days it — action? no, we did not have it in those days. it was _ action? no, we did not have it in those days. it was arranged i action? no, we did not have it in those days. it was arranged with | those days. it was arranged with local— those days. it was arranged with local press but no national papers. local— local press but no national papers. local press — local press but no national papers. local press used to feed it through to the _ local press used to feed it through to the nationals. it was all arranged and kept at a distance. more _ arranged and kept at a distance. more genteel time. simon, arranged and kept at a distance. more genteeltime. simon, former more genteel time. simon, former royal protection officer as well, what do you make of it? i royal protection officer as well, what do you make of it?- royal protection officer as well, what do you make of it? i think it is the times _ what do you make of it? i think it is the times we _ what do you make of it? i think it is the times we are _ what do you make of it? i think it is the times we are in _ is the times we are in unfortunately. - is the times we are in unfortunately. you i is the times we are in| unfortunately. you are is the times we are in - unfortunately. you are looking is the times we are in _ unfortunately. you are looking at a situation _ unfortunately. you are looking at a situation where _ unfortunately. you are looking at a situation where the _ unfortunately. you are looking at a situation where the paparazzi - unfortunately. you are looking at a situation where the paparazzi are l situation where the paparazzi are not regulated _ situation where the paparazzi are not regulated in— situation where the paparazzi are not regulated in any— situation where the paparazzi are not regulated in any way- situation where the paparazzi are not regulated in any way and i situation where the paparazzi are not regulated in any way and the| not regulated in any way and the sheer— not regulated in any way and the sheer financial— not regulated in any way and the sheer financial rewards - not regulated in any way and the sheer financial rewards for- not regulated in any way and the l sheer financial rewards for having those _ sheer financial rewards for having those pictures— sheer financial rewards for having those pictures at _ sheer financial rewards for having those pictures at that _ sheer financial rewards for having those pictures at that particular. those pictures at that particular time _ those pictures at that particular time is — those pictures at that particular time is vast _ those pictures at that particular time is vast for _ those pictures at that particular time is vast for these _ those pictures at that particular time is vast for these people. l those pictures at that particular-

time is vast for these people. many years— time is vast for these people. many years ago— time is vast for these people. many years ago when _ time is vast for these people. many years ago when i_ time is vast for these people. many years ago when i was _ time is vast for these people. many years ago when i was in— time is vast for these people. many years ago when i was in royal- years ago when i was in royal protection, _ years ago when i was in royal protection, 2008, _ years ago when i was in royal protection, 2008, 2009, - years ago when i was in royal- protection, 2008, 2009, engaging with the _ protection, 2008, 2009, engaging with the paparazzi _ protection, 2008, 2009, engaging with the paparazzi and _ protection, 2008, 2009, engaging with the paparazzi and explaining l with the paparazzi and explaining they are — with the paparazzi and explaining they are interfering _ with the paparazzi and explaining they are interfering in _ with the paparazzi and explaining they are interfering in an - with the paparazzi and explaining they are interfering in an armed. they are interfering in an armed police _ they are interfering in an armed police operation, _ they are interfering in an armed police operation, we _ they are interfering in an armed police operation, we are - they are interfering in an armed police operation, we are quite l they are interfering in an armed i police operation, we are quite happy for them _ police operation, we are quite happy for them to— police operation, we are quite happy for them to take _ police operation, we are quite happy for them to take pictures, _ police operation, we are quite happy for them to take pictures, but- police operation, we are quite happy for them to take pictures, but they i for them to take pictures, but they will not _ for them to take pictures, but they will not chase _ for them to take pictures, but they will not chase us _ for them to take pictures, but they will not chase us and _ for them to take pictures, but they will not chase us and block- for them to take pictures, but they will not chase us and block the i will not chase us and block the road. — will not chase us and block the road. i— will not chase us and block the road. lsaid, _ will not chase us and block the road, i said, why— will not chase us and block the road, i said, why do _ will not chase us and block the road, i said, why do you - will not chase us and block the road, i said, why do you wish. will not chase us and block the. road, i said, why do you wish to take _ road, i said, why do you wish to take another— road, i said, why do you wish to take another picture _ road, i said, why do you wish to take another picture of- road, i said, why do you wish to take another picture of as - road, i said, why do you wish to take another picture of as it- road, i said, why do you wish toj take another picture of as it was then— take another picture of as it was then prince _ take another picture of as it was then prince harry— take another picture of as it was then prince harry coming - take another picture of as it was then prince harry coming out. take another picture of as it was then prince harry coming out of| take another picture of as it was. then prince harry coming out of a restaurant? — then prince harry coming out of a restaurant? you _ then prince harry coming out of a restaurant? you must _ then prince harry coming out of a restaurant? you must have - then prince harry coming out of a i restaurant? you must have hundreds. the paparazzi — restaurant? you must have hundreds. the paparazzi turned _ restaurant? you must have hundreds. the paparazzi turned around - restaurant? you must have hundreds. the paparazzi turned around and - the paparazzi turned around and said, _ the paparazzi turned around and said. because _ the paparazzi turned around and said, because this— the paparazzi turned around and said, because this may- the paparazzi turned around and said, because this may be - the paparazzi turned around and said, because this may be the i the paparazzi turned around and i said, because this may be the last picture _ said, because this may be the last picture of— said, because this may be the last picture of him _ said, because this may be the last picture of him alive. _ said, because this may be the last picture of him alive. if— said, because this may be the last picture of him alive. if we - said, because this may be the last picture of him alive. if we have i said, because this may be the last| picture of him alive. if we have got it, picture of him alive. if we have got it. worth _ picture of him alive. if we have got it, worth millions— picture of him alive. if we have got it, worth millions to _ picture of him alive. if we have got it, worth millions to me. _ picture of him alive. if we have got it, worth millions to me. that- picture of him alive. if we have got it, worth millions to me. that is. it, worth millions to me. that is the mentality— it, worth millions to me. that is the mentality you _ it, worth millions to me. that is the mentality you are _ it, worth millions to me. that is the mentality you are dealing i it, worth millions to me. that is. the mentality you are dealing with. as a security— the mentality you are dealing with. as a security professional, - the mentality you are dealing with. as a security professional, you i the mentality you are dealing with. as a security professional, you are | as a security professional, you are fully aware — as a security professional, you are fully aware of— as a security professional, you are fully aware of that. _ as a security professional, you are fully aware of that.— as a security professional, you are fully aware of that. wow, that could be the one. — fully aware of that. wow, that could be the one. they — fully aware of that. wow, that could be the one, they could _ fully aware of that. wow, that could be the one, they could be _ fully aware of that. wow, that could be the one, they could be made. i be the one, they could be made. absolutely. so much money involved. the person— absolutely. so much money involved. the person for— absolutely. so much money involved. the person for example _ absolutely. so much money involved. the person for example who - absolutely. so much money involved. the person for example who got - absolutely. so much money involved. the person for example who got the i

the person for example who got the photos of fergie having her toes sucked by her accountant. absolutely. with regards to the regulated — absolutely. with regards to the regulated press _ absolutely. with regards to the regulated press and _ absolutely. with regards to the regulated press and how - absolutely. with regards to the regulated press and how they. absolutely. with regards to the - regulated press and how they obtain pictures. _ regulated press and how they obtain pictures, purchase _ regulated press and how they obtain pictures, purchase and _ regulated press and how they obtain pictures, purchase and publish - regulated press and how they obtainl pictures, purchase and publish them, but that— pictures, purchase and publish them, but that is_ pictures, purchase and publish them, but that is not— pictures, purchase and publish them, but that is not the _ pictures, purchase and publish them, but that is not the same _ pictures, purchase and publish them, but that is not the same throughout i but that is not the same throughout the world, _ but that is not the same throughout the world, the — but that is not the same throughout the world, the paparazzi _ but that is not the same throughout the world, the paparazzi are - but that is not the same throughout the world, the paparazzi are not - the world, the paparazzi are not signed — the world, the paparazzi are not signed up — the world, the paparazzi are not signed up to— the world, the paparazzi are not signed up to that. _ the world, the paparazzi are not signed up to that.— the world, the paparazzi are not signed up to that. apparently it is the wild west _ signed up to that. apparently it is the wild west for _ signed up to that. apparently it is the wild west for the _ signed up to that. apparently it is the wild west for the paparazzi i signed up to that. apparently it is the wild west for the paparazzi in | the wild west for the paparazzi in the wild west for the paparazzi in the us as well. they make our paparazzi seem very sort of meek in comparison. it paparazzi seem very sort of meek in comparison-— comparison. it is the first for the imaues, comparison. it is the first for the images. the _ comparison. it is the first for the images, the first _ comparison. it is the first for the images, the first for _ comparison. it is the first for the images, the first for the - comparison. it is the first for the images, the first for the story, l comparison. it is the first for the images, the first for the story, it creates— images, the first for the story, it creates ali— images, the first for the story, it creates all of _ images, the first for the story, it creates all of this _ images, the first for the story, it creates all of this for _ images, the first for the story, it creates all of this for rory- images, the first for the story, it creates all of this for rory —— - images, the first for the story, iti creates all of this for rory —— the thirst _ creates all of this for rory —— the thirst even— creates all of this for rory —— the thirst. even now— creates all of this for rory —— the thirst. even now in— creates all of this for rory —— the thirst. even now in the _ creates all of this for rory —— the thirst. even now in the private i thirst. even now in the private sector, — thirst. even now in the private sector, with _ thirst. even now in the private sector, with high—profile - thirst. even now in the private i sector, with high—profile people, you have — sector, with high—profile people, you have to— sector, with high—profile people, you have to factor— sector, with high—profile people, you have to factor it _ sector, with high—profile people, you have to factor it in _ sector, with high—profile people, you have to factor it in and - sector, with high—profile people, you have to factor it in and you . you have to factor it in and you have _ you have to factor it in and you have to — you have to factor it in and you have to put _ you have to factor it in and you have to put your— you have to factor it in and you have to put your mitigation - you have to factor it in and you have to put your mitigation in| you have to factor it in and you i have to put your mitigation in and your contingencies— have to put your mitigation in and your contingencies in— have to put your mitigation in and your contingencies in to _ have to put your mitigation in and your contingencies in to deal- have to put your mitigation in and your contingencies in to deal with| your contingencies in to deal with the paparazzi _ your contingencies in to deal with the paparazzi who _ your contingencies in to deal with the paparazzi who are _ your contingencies in to deal with the paparazzi who are going - your contingencies in to deal with the paparazzi who are going to i the paparazzi who are going to follow — the paparazzi who are going to follow you _ the paparazzi who are going to follow you. for— the paparazzi who are going to follow you. for all— the paparazzi who are going to follow you. for all of - the paparazzi who are going to follow you. for all of the - the paparazzi who are going to i follow you. for all of the reasons already— follow you. for all of the reasons already set _ follow you. for all of the reasons already set-— follow you. for all of the reasons alread set. . . . , . already set. can i have a selfie? we are all paparazzi _ already set. can i have a selfie? we are all paparazzi now. _

already set. can i have a selfie? we are all paparazzi now. let _ already set. can i have a selfie? we are all paparazzi now. let us - already set. can i have a selfie? we are all paparazzi now. let us go - are all paparazzi now. let us go with steve... we have done steve, simon. people with experience on the front nine, different eras. lucy, i think we have had lucy, we have not had... somebody else. julie, julie in bristol. what would you like to say? in bristol. what would you like to sa ? ., ., , ,, in bristol. what would you like to sa ? ., ., , ~' ., say? hello. iwould 'ust like to sa , like say? hello. iwould 'ust like to say. like the h say? hello. iwould 'ust like to say, like the others- say? hello. iwouldjust like to say, like the others have - say? hello. iwouldjust like to say, like the others have said, i say, like the others have said, there — say, like the others have said, there is— say, like the others have said, there is a _ say, like the others have said, there is a real lack of empathy for these _ there is a real lack of empathy for these two — there is a real lack of empathy for these two. you know, the british people _ these two. you know, the british people have a good heart and actually — people have a good heart and actually where is the grace and understanding about what this young man has— understanding about what this young man has gone through in his life? also, _ man has gone through in his life? also, i_ man has gone through in his life? also, i want— man has gone through in his life? also, i want to make the point there is a lot— also, i want to make the point there is a lot of— also, i want to make the point there is a lot of understanding the about her traumatic experiences affect people _ her traumatic experiences affect people in— her traumatic experiences affect people in the rest of their life. we have _ people in the rest of their life. we have seen— people in the rest of their life. we have seen it in all different ways.

the army — have seen it in all different ways. the army veterans. all different things — the army veterans. all different things. would we say the same thing about— things. would we say the same thing about someone who had survived the 7/7 bombing? someone at the manchester arena? people would not be saying _ manchester arena? people would not be saying that about them. there would _ be saying that about them. there would he — be saying that about them. there would be more grace and empathy. all i 'ust would be more grace and empathy. all ijust need _ would be more grace and empathy. all ijust need to point out is perhaps we ought — ijust need to point out is perhaps we ought to be a bit kinder to him and to— we ought to be a bit kinder to him and to meghan. that is all i am saying — and to meghan. that is all i am saying we _ and to meghan. that is all i am saying. we do not have to walk the same _ saying. we do not have to walk the same path — saying. we do not have to walk the same path. we saying. we do not have to walk the same path-— same path. we can actually... remember— same path. we can actually... remember his _ same path. we can actually... remember his walk, - same path. we can actually... remember his walk, little - same path. we can actually... l remember his walk, little boy, walking behind the coffin. and remember his walk, little boy, walking behind the coffin. and also we do not have _ walking behind the coffin. and also we do not have to _ walking behind the coffin. and also we do not have to align _ walking behind the coffin. and also we do not have to align ourselves i we do not have to align ourselves with the _ we do not have to align ourselves with the media. we do not have to be sucked _ with the media. we do not have to be sucked into~~~ — with the media. we do not have to be sucked into... we do not have to walk _ sucked into... we do not have to walk we — sucked into... we do not have to walk... we don't have to be sucked into the _ walk... we don't have to be sucked into the kind — walk... we don't have to be sucked into the kind of what the media are thinking _ into the kind of what the media are thinking. we can take a step back and go. _ thinking. we can take a step back and go, actually, is it kind to be

thinking — and go, actually, is it kind to be thinking like this? is and go, actually, is it kind to be thinking like this? is it and go, actually, is it kind to be thinking like this?— thinking like this? is it kind? as the protest _ thinking like this? is it kind? as the protest site, _ thinking like this? is it kind? as the protest site, is _ thinking like this? is it kind? as the protest site, is it _ thinking like this? is it kind? as the protest site, is it kind - thinking like this? is it kind? as the protest site, is it kind and i thinking like this? is it kind? asi the protest site, is it kind and is it necessary? alice in glasgow. —— as the buddhist said. lives in shropshire. james, you heard julie, on the same page as you?— on the same page as you? yeah, i love that- — on the same page as you? yeah, i love that. absolutely _ on the same page as you? yeah, i love that. absolutely bang - on the same page as you? yeah, i love that. absolutely bang on. - on the same page as you? yeah, i l love that. absolutely bang on. what she was saying about the press was really important because at the moment harry is in a court case against some big players in the press. obviously they are going to create a narrative that attacks harry and meghan. listening to the rubbish, important to take a step back and go, what is going on? they are not trustworthy sources right now when it comes to the storyline. it is very toxic to see this kind of news and immediatelyjump to blaming harry and meghan for as you mentioned earlier going on world

privacy tool. they are entitled to share what they want to share. if you suffer in a toxic situation you are a hero for getting out of it and protecting yourself and talking about it so it does not happen to other people and that is also why they have released a statement about what happened. they have released a statement about what happened-— what happened. harris, liz, what would you _ what happened. harris, liz, what would you like — what happened. harris, liz, what would you like to _ what happened. harris, liz, what would you like to say? _ what happened. harris, liz, what would you like to say? all- what happened. harris, liz, what would you like to say? all i - what happened. harris, liz, what l would you like to say? all i want... sor . it would you like to say? all i want... sorry- it is — would you like to say? all i want... sorry- it is all _ would you like to say? all i want... sorry. it is all right. _ would you like to say? all i want... sorry. it is all right. liz, _ would you like to say? all i want... sorry. it is all right. liz, go - sorry. it is all right. liz, go first. sorry. it is all right. liz, go first- 0k- _ sorry. it is all right. liz, go first. ok. |_ sorry. it is all right. liz, go first. ok. i have— sorry. it is all right. liz, go first. ok. i have been - sorry. it is all right. liz, go - first. ok. i have been listening to all of this and _ first. ok. i have been listening to all of this and we _ first. ok. i have been listening to all of this and we are _ first. ok. i have been listening to all of this and we are the - first. ok. i have been listening to all of this and we are the people | all of this and we are the people unfortunately in some cases who buy these _ unfortunately in some cases who buy these newspapers, who drink and eat these _ these newspapers, who drink and eat these newspapers, who drink and eat these newspapers, avidly look at them _ these newspapers, avidly look at them every day. and we'll pick out what _ them every day. and we'll pick out what they— them every day. and we'll pick out what they want to make out of the news _ what they want to make out of the news as _ what they want to make out of the news as it's — what they want to make out of the news as it's reported. i think there is a prohlem — news as it's reported. i think there is a problem with reporting at the nronrent— is a problem with reporting at the moment because i think everyone everything is sensationalised. the use of— everything is sensationalised. the use of the — everything is sensationalised. the use of the word catastrophic made me

cringe _ use of the word catastrophic made me cringe. where are the people involved _ cringe. where are the people involved in near misses question that we — involved in near misses question that we have not heard anyone involved — that we have not heard anyone involved. there was one rather laid-hack— involved. there was one rather laid—back cab driver as far as i can see _ laid-back cab driver as far as i can see. ., ,., laid-back cab driver as far as i can see. ., s laid-back cab driver as far as i can see. ., _ | laid-back cab driver as far as i can see-_ i am. - see. you sound cynical? i am, extremely _ see. you sound cynical? i am, extremely cynical. _ see. you sound cynical? i am, extremely cynical. i _ see. you sound cynical? i am, extremely cynical. i think- see. you sound cynical? i am, extremely cynical. i think also | extremely cynical. i think also tracking — extremely cynical. i think also backing up a bit, i have always been a royalist _ backing up a bit, i have always been a royalist and will continue to be, when _ a royalist and will continue to be, when harry— a royalist and will continue to be, when harry and meghan got together, i as when harry and meghan got together, i as nrany— when harry and meghan got together, i as many millions dead, i thought it is wonderful, it will be a new fresh _ it is wonderful, it will be a new fresh face, _ it is wonderful, it will be a new fresh face, fresh start for the royal— fresh face, fresh start for the royal family —— as many millions did. they are creating their— millions did. they are creating their own _ millions did. they are creating their own problems. they decided they wanted to leave the country to create _ they wanted to leave the country to create a _ they wanted to leave the country to create a normal life. whatever that is. create a normal life. whatever that is they— create a normal life. whatever that is they are — create a normal life. whatever that is. they are not engaging in trying to do— is. they are not engaging in trying to do that — is. they are not engaging in trying to do that by selling their story. i will use _ to do that by selling their story. i will use the word selling because it

is paid _ will use the word selling because it is paid for — will use the word selling because it is paid for. they are selling their story— is paid for. they are selling their story to — is paid for. they are selling their story to anyone who will listen. look _ story to anyone who will listen. look at — story to anyone who will listen. look at oprah winfrey.- look at oprah winfrey. well, fascinating — look at oprah winfrey. well, fascinating interview. - look at oprah winfrey. well, fascinating interview. stay i look at oprah winfrey. well, - fascinating interview. stay there. i want to hear what james has to say. alice, are you with liz on this? yes, to a certain extent, yes. i just— yes, to a certain extent, yes. i just feel... — yes, to a certain extent, yes. i just feel... i— yes, to a certain extent, yes. i just feel... i actually— yes, to a certain extent, yes. i just feel... i actually feel - yes, to a certain extent, yes. i just feel... i actually feel she i yes, to a certain extent, yes. i. just feel... i actually feel she was an actress — just feel... i actually feel she was an actress before _ just feel... i actually feel she was an actress before and _ just feel... i actually feel she was an actress before and had - just feel... i actually feel she was an actress before and had a - just feel... i actually feel she was an actress before and had a lot i just feel... i actually feel she was an actress before and had a lot of press, _ an actress before and had a lot of press, he — an actress before and had a lot of press, he was _ an actress before and had a lot of press, he was brought— an actress before and had a lot of press, he was brought up- an actress before and had a lot of press, he was brought up with . an actress before and had a lot of| press, he was brought up with the press _ press, he was brought up with the press constantly— press, he was brought up with the press constantly being _ press, he was brought up with the press constantly being there, - press, he was brought up with the j press constantly being there, they chose _ press constantly being there, they chose to _ press constantly being there, they chose to leave _ press constantly being there, they chose to leave which _ press constantly being there, they chose to leave which i _ press constantly being there, they chose to leave which i think- press constantly being there, they chose to leave which i think fair. chose to leave which i think fair enough. — chose to leave which i think fair enough. but _ chose to leave which i think fair enough, but they— chose to leave which i think fair enough, but they have - chose to leave which i think fair enough, but they have courted | chose to leave which i think fair. enough, but they have courted the press _ enough, but they have courted the press when — enough, but they have courted the press when it — enough, but they have courted the press when it suits _ enough, but they have courted the press when it suits them. - enough, but they have courted the press when it suits them. she - enough, but they have courted the press when it suits them. she was| enough, but they have courted the . press when it suits them. she was at the awards— press when it suits them. she was at the awards last — press when it suits them. she was at the awards last night _ press when it suits them. she was at the awards last night and _ press when it suits them. she was at the awards last night and she - press when it suits them. she was at the awards last night and she won i press when it suits them. she was atj the awards last night and she won an award. _ the awards last night and she won an award. really — the awards last night and she won an award, really good, _ the awards last night and she won an award, really good, but _ the awards last night and she won an award, really good, but at _ the awards last night and she won an award, really good, but at the - the awards last night and she won an award, really good, but at the same i award, really good, but at the same time, _ award, really good, but at the same time, i_ award, really good, but at the same time, idon't— award, really good, but at the same time, i don't understand _ award, really good, but at the same time, i don't understand than- time, i don't understand than getting — time, idon't understand than getting out— time, idon't understand than getting out of— time, i don't understand than getting out of a _ time, idon't understand than getting out of a car— time, i don't understand than getting out of a car and - time, i don't understand than. getting out of a car and jumping intoa— getting out of a car and jumping into a taxi — getting out of a car and jumping into a taxi and _ getting out of a car and jumping into a taxi and i _ getting out of a car and jumping into a taxi and i don't _ into a taxi and i don't understand... - into a taxi and i don't understand... you i into a taxi and i don't i understand... you said in into a taxi and i don't - understand... you said in that into a taxi and i don't _ understand... you said in that area at the _ understand... you said in that area at the traffic— understand... you said in that area at the traffic goes _ understand... you said in that area at the traffic goes slow _ understand... you said in that area at the traffic goes slow and - understand... you said in that area at the traffic goes slow and the i at the traffic goes slow and the traffic— at the traffic goes slow and the traffic goes _ at the traffic goes slow and the traffic goes fast, _ at the traffic goes slow and the traffic goes fast, i— at the traffic goes slow and the traffic goes fast, i don't - traffic goes fast, i don't understand _ traffic goes fast, idon't understand why- traffic goes fast, i don't understand why they. traffic goes fast, i don'tl understand why they are traffic goes fast, i don't - understand why they are making traffic goes fast, i don't _ understand why they are making such a bi- understand why they are making such a trig thing _ understand why they are making such a trig thing out— understand why they are making such a trig thing out of— understand why they are making such a big thing out of it, _ understand why they are making such a big thing out of it, cameras -

understand why they are making such a big thing out of it, cameras were i a big thing out of it, cameras were pointing _ a big thing out of it, cameras were pointing at— a big thing out of it, cameras were pointing at then _ a big thing out of it, cameras were pointing at them. if— a big thing out of it, cameras were pointing at them. if anything, i a big thing out of it, cameras were pointing at them. if anything, if. pointing at them. if anything, if they— pointing at them. if anything, if they are — pointing at them. if anything, if they are taking _ pointing at them. if anything, if they are taking off _ pointing at them. if anything, if they are taking off at _ pointing at them. if anything, if they are taking off at high - pointing at them. if anything, if. they are taking off at high speed, apart— they are taking off at high speed, apart from — they are taking off at high speed, apart from maybe _ they are taking off at high speed, apart from maybe injuring - they are taking off at high speed, i apart from maybe injuring somebody else, they— apart from maybe injuring somebody else, they might— apart from maybe injuring somebody else, they might injure _ apart from maybe injuring somebody else, they might injure themselves, i else, they might injure themselves, 'ust else, they might injure themselves, just the _ else, they might injure themselves, just the way— else, they might injure themselves, just the way it — else, they might injure themselves, just the way it happened _ else, they might injure themselves, just the way it happened to - else, they might injure themselves, just the way it happened to his- just the way it happened to his mother — just the way it happened to his mother at_ just the way it happened to his mother. �* . just the way it happened to his mother. �* , ., , . , mother. a member of the security team has claimed _ mother. a member of the security team has claimed a _ mother. a member of the security team has claimed a dozen - mother. a member of the security i team has claimed a dozen paparazzi in cars, scooters, bicycles, chased them through midtown manhattan, jumping red lights, endangering members of the public, the person says, told cnn, the public were in jeopardy at several points, could have been fatal, they were jumping curbs, red lights, at one point blocked a limousine carrying the couple and started taking pictures until we were able to get out. i felt surrounded. james, what would you say to liz? extremely cynical about this. i you say to liz? extremely cynical about this-— about this. i 'ust think you are missin: about this. i 'ust think you are missing the — about this. i just think you are missing the point. _ about this. i just think you are missing the point. i— about this. i just think you are missing the point. i know i about this. i just think you are missing the point. i know it i missing the point. i know it sounds... i sound like a millennium. we are all celebrities on the internet. everyone shares what they

want to, everyone sells their story posting a picture they like the look of, but it doesn't mean instagram is entitled to follow you around. posting pictures of you whenever it likes doing whatever you are doing at that time. we all have a level of privacy now, we all share what we want to and to say she is selling her story to oprah winfrey so she deserves to be handed by the press 24/7 and followed around to her house were her children are, it is insanity. i cannot understand how you do not see it is wrong. liz? given nobody — you do not see it is wrong. liz? given nobody says _ you do not see it is wrong. liz? given nobody says it _ you do not see it is wrong. liz? given nobody says it would appear the level— given nobody says it would appear the level at which you want to reach — the level at which you want to reach... ok, that is it, iam not going— reach... ok, that is it, iam not going to— reach... ok, that is it, iam not going to tell— reach... ok, that is it, iam not going to tell you anything else. it does _ going to tell you anything else. it does not — going to tell you anything else. it does not happen. it simply doesn't happen _ does not happen. it simply doesn't happen. we does not happen. it simply doesn't ha en. ~ ., does not happen. it simply doesn't ha en, . ., ., ~' does not happen. it simply doesn't ha en. ~ ., ., .. ., happen. we are talking about the -a arazzi happen. we are talking about the paparazzi chasing _ happen. we are talking about the paparazzi chasing them _ happen. we are talking about the paparazzi chasing them through i happen. we are talking about the i paparazzi chasing them through the streets of new york, going on curbs, nearly hitting members of the

public, blocking the car for moving, does not sound like someone just taking a photo, is it? it is not a kodak moment, is it?— taking a photo, is it? it is not a kodak moment, is it? kodak moment. beini kodak moment, is it? kodak moment. being sympathetic— kodak moment, is it? kodak moment. being sympathetic to _ kodak moment, is it? kodak moment. being sympathetic to them _ kodak moment, is it? kodak moment. being sympathetic to them is - kodak moment, is it? kodak moment. being sympathetic to them is one i being sympathetic to them is one thing. _ being sympathetic to them is one thing. but — being sympathetic to them is one thing, but they have to be seen to be helping — thing, but they have to be seen to be helping themselves. as far as i can see, _ be helping themselves. as far as i can see, i— be helping themselves. as far as i can see, i cannot see any kind of that— can see, i cannot see any kind of that at— can see, i cannot see any kind of that at all — can see, i cannot see any kind of that at all-— can see, i cannot see any kind of that at all. . . . . . , that at all. wait a minute, james. i want to bring _ that at all. wait a minute, james. i want to bring in _ that at all. wait a minute, james. i want to bring in clare _ that at all. wait a minute, james. i want to bring in clare who - that at all. wait a minute, james. i want to bring in clare who has i that at all. wait a minute, james. i | want to bring in clare who has been waiting. did you hear liz and alice? writer and blogger, what would you say to them? they have their doubts about this, claire, good morning. good morning. fascinating listening to different — good morning. fascinating listening to different points _ good morning. fascinating listening to different points of— good morning. fascinating listening to different points of view— good morning. fascinating listening to different points of view and - good morning. fascinating listening to different points of view and i- to different points of view and i must _ to different points of view and i must say— to different points of view and i must say i _ to different points of view and i must say i completely- to different points of view and i must say i completely agree i to different points of view and i. must say i completely agree with to different points of view and i- must say i completely agree with the comment— must say i completely agree with the comment around, _ must say i completely agree with the comment around, where _ must say i completely agree with the comment around, where is— must say i completely agree with the comment around, where is our- comment around, where is our empathy? _ comment around, where is our empathy? i_ comment around, where is our empathy? i think— comment around, where is our empathy? i think british - comment around, where is ouri empathy? i think british people comment around, where is our- empathy? i think british people are generally— empathy? i think british people are generally quite _ empathy? i think british people are generally quite empathetic. - empathy? i think british people are generally quite empathetic. the i generally quite empathetic. the danger— generally quite empathetic. the danger is — generally quite empathetic. the danger is and _ generally quite empathetic. the danger is and i— generally quite empathetic. the danger is and i don't _ generally quite empathetic. the danger is and i don'tjust- generally quite empathetic. the danger is and i don'tjust meani danger is and i don'tjust mean

physical— danger is and i don'tjust mean physical with _ danger is and i don'tjust mean physical with car— danger is and i don'tjust mean physical with car chases, - danger is and i don'tjust mean physical with car chases, the l danger is and i don'tjust mean- physical with car chases, the danger is the _ physical with car chases, the danger is the situation _ physical with car chases, the danger is the situation here _ physical with car chases, the danger is the situation here is— physical with car chases, the danger is the situation here is the _ physical with car chases, the danger is the situation here is the press- is the situation here is the press not only— is the situation here is the press not only putting _ is the situation here is the press not only putting people - is the situation here is the press not only putting people in - is the situation here is the pressl not only putting people in danger physically— not only putting people in danger physically because _ not only putting people in danger physically because of— not only putting people in danger physically because of the - not only putting people in danger physically because of the way- not only putting people in dangeri physically because of the way they turn the _ physically because of the way they turn the hatred _ physically because of the way they turn the hatred towards _ physically because of the way they| turn the hatred towards individuals and they— turn the hatred towards individuals and they influence _ turn the hatred towards individuals and they influence people's - turn the hatred towards individuals and they influence people's points| and they influence people's points of view— and they influence people's points of view and — and they influence people's points of view and encourage _ and they influence people's points of view and encourage people i and they influence people's points of view and encourage people to i of view and encourage people to start— of view and encourage people to start blaming _ of view and encourage people to start blaming and _ of view and encourage people to start blaming and taking - of view and encourage people to start blaming and taking on i of view and encourage people to start blaming and taking on tiny| start blaming and taking on tiny little _ start blaming and taking on tiny little details — start blaming and taking on tiny little details rather— start blaming and taking on tiny little details rather than - start blaming and taking on tinyi little details rather than thinking about— little details rather than thinking about the — little details rather than thinking about the big _ little details rather than thinking about the big picture. _ little details rather than thinking about the big picture. about- little details rather than thinking about the big picture. about the| about the big picture. about the bullying — about the big picture. about the bullying and _ about the big picture. about the bullying and the _ about the big picture. about the bullying and the irresponsible i bullying and the irresponsible press — bullying and the irresponsible ress. , , . press. empathy. empathy, liz. where is our press. empathy. empathy, liz. where is your empathy? _ press. empathy. empathy, liz. where is your empathy? empathy, _ press. empathy. empathy, liz. where is your empathy? empathy, empathy. press. empathy. empathy, liz. where. is your empathy? empathy, empathy. i am not entirely sure what macro i know _ am not entirely sure what macro i know what — am not entirely sure what macro i know what it means in this case. —— i know what it means in this case. —— i am _ know what it means in this case. —— i am not _ know what it means in this case. —— i am not entirely sure i know what it means — i am not entirely sure i know what it means in — i am not entirely sure i know what it means in this case. there are elements— it means in this case. there are elements one can relate to and one can say. _ elements one can relate to and one can say. this — elements one can relate to and one can say, this is not good. like i said _ can say, this is not good. like i said earlier, _ can say, this is not good. like i said earlier, some of the press reporting — said earlier, some of the press reporting these days, i think it is totally— reporting these days, i think it is totally over—the—top and very

intrusive _ totally over—the—top and very intrusive. and i use emotive words people _ intrusive. and i use emotive words people grab onto. like catastrophic. it is a symbiotic _ people grab onto. like catastrophic. it is a symbiotic relationship, i people grab onto. like catastrophic. it is a symbiotic relationship, one i it is a symbiotic relationship, one of the few things i remember from biology at school. hayley, grimsby, good morning. biology at school. hayley, grimsby, good morning-— biology at school. hayley, grimsby, good morning. biology at school. hayley, grimsby, iood mornini. ., .' good morning. good morning, nicky. i actually have — good morning. good morning, nicky. i actually have empathy _ good morning. good morning, nicky. i actually have empathy for _ good morning. good morning, nicky. i actually have empathy for harry. it i actually have empathy for harry. it is not _ actually have empathy for harry. it is not his _ actually have empathy for harry. it is not his fault _ actually have empathy for harry. it is not his fault he _ actually have empathy for harry. it is not his fault he was— actually have empathy for harry. it is not his fault he was born - actually have empathy for harry. iti is not his fault he was born famous. there _ is not his fault he was born famous. there is— is not his fault he was born famous. there is a _ is not his fault he was born famous. there is a lot — is not his fault he was born famous. there is a lot of— is not his fault he was born famous. there is a lot of interest _ is not his fault he was born famous. there is a lot of interest in- is not his fault he was born famous. there is a lot of interest in the i there is a lot of interest in the couple — there is a lot of interest in the couple what _ there is a lot of interest in the couple. what he _ there is a lot of interest in the couple. what he always - there is a lot of interest in the| couple. what he always wanted there is a lot of interest in the i couple. what he always wanted was boundaries — couple. what he always wanted was boundaries he _ couple. what he always wanted was boundaries. he knows _ couple. what he always wanted was boundaries. he knows he _ couple. what he always wanted was boundaries. he knows he can't i couple. what he always wanted was boundaries. he knows he can't get. boundaries. he knows he can't get away _ boundaries. he knows he can't get away from — boundaries. he knows he can't get away from the _ boundaries. he knows he can't get away from the press, _ boundaries. he knows he can't get away from the press, he _ boundaries. he knows he can't get away from the press, he wants i boundaries. he knows he can't get. away from the press, he wants limits on them _ away from the press, he wants limits on them not — away from the press, he wants limits on them not chasing _ away from the press, he wants limits on them not chasing him _ away from the press, he wants limits on them not chasing him home, - away from the press, he wants limits on them not chasing him home, noti on them not chasing him home, not popping _ on them not chasing him home, not p0pping up— on them not chasing him home, not p0pping up in— on them not chasing him home, not p0pping up in his— on them not chasing him home, not popping up in his garden, _ on them not chasing him home, not popping up in his garden, he - on them not chasing him home, not popping up in his garden, he wantsi popping up in his garden, he wants to be _ popping up in his garden, he wants to be able — popping up in his garden, he wants to be able to — popping up in his garden, he wants to be able to work _ popping up in his garden, he wants to be able to work with _ popping up in his garden, he wants to be able to work with them. - popping up in his garden, he wants to be able to work with them. i - to be able to work with them. i think_ to be able to work with them. i think that — to be able to work with them. i think that is _ to be able to work with them. i think that is the _ to be able to work with them. i think that is the main - to be able to work with them. i think that is the main reason . to be able to work with them. i i think that is the main reason he left the — think that is the main reason he left the royal _ think that is the main reason he left the royal family, _ think that is the main reason he left the royal family, his - think that is the main reason he left the royal family, his familyi left the royal family, his family wouldn't — left the royal family, his family wouldn't support— left the royal family, his family wouldn't support him - left the royal family, his family wouldn't support him in- left the royal family, his family wouldn't support him in that. l left the royal family, his family wouldn't support him in that. i| left the royal family, his family- wouldn't support him in that. i have a lot wouldn't support him in that. i have a tot of— wouldn't support him in that. i have a lot of admiration _ wouldn't support him in that. i have a lot of admiration for _ wouldn't support him in that. i have a lot of admiration for what - wouldn't support him in that. i have a lot of admiration for what he - wouldn't support him in that. i have a lot of admiration for what he is i a lot of admiration for what he is trying _ a lot of admiration for what he is trying to— a lot of admiration for what he is trying to do— a lot of admiration for what he is trying to do but— a lot of admiration for what he is trying to do but i— a lot of admiration for what he is trying to do but i don't— a lot of admiration for what he is trying to do but i don't think- a lot of admiration for what he is trying to do but i don't think he i trying to do but i don't think he will be — trying to do but i don't think he will be successful— trying to do but i don't think he will be successful because - trying to do but i don't think he i will be successful because there is too much — will be successful because there is too much money— will be successful because there is too much money to _ will be successful because there is too much money to be _ will be successful because there is too much money to be made - will be successful because there is too much money to be made so. will be successful because there is too much money to be made so it| will be successful because there is . too much money to be made so it will 'ust too much money to be made so it will just carry— too much money to be made so it will just carry 0h — too much money to be made so it will just carry 0h eveh— too much money to be made so it will just carry on. even if— too much money to be made so it will just carry on. even if he _ too much money to be made so it will just carry on. even if he went - too much money to be made so it will just carry on. even if he went to - just carry on. even if he went to live in— just carry on. even if he went to tive in a — just carry on. even if he went to tive in a cave, _ just carry on. even if he went to live in a cave, they— just carry on. even if he went to live in a cave, they would - just carry on. even if he went to live in a cave, they would still. just carry on. even if he went to. live in a cave, they would still try to get—

live in a cave, they would still try to get pictures _ live in a cave, they would still try to get pictures on _ live in a cave, they would still try to get pictures on him. _ live in a cave, they would still try to get pictures on him. if- live in a cave, they would still try. to get pictures on him. if anything, they would — to get pictures on him. if anything, they would probably _ to get pictures on him. if anything, they would probably be _ to get pictures on him. if anything, they would probably be worth - to get pictures on him. if anything, they would probably be worth even| they would probably be worth even more _ they would probably be worth even more money— they would probably be worth even more money so _ they would probably be worth even more money so it _ they would probably be worth even more money so it would _ they would probably be worth even more money so it would probably i they would probably be worth even - more money so it would probably make things— more money so it would probably make things worse _ more money so it would probably make things worse. that— more money so it would probably make things worse-— things worse. that quote from charles spencer, _ things worse. that quote from charles spencer, it _ things worse. that quote from charles spencer, it is - things worse. that quote from charles spencer, it is a - things worse. that quote from charles spencer, it is a point l things worse. that quote from | charles spencer, it is a point to remember of all of the ironies about diana perhaps the greatest was this, a woman given the name of the goddess of hunting was perhaps the most hunted of the modern age. it most hunted of the modern age. if things did not change after her death, — things did not change after her death, i— things did not change after her death, idon't— things did not change after her death, i don't think _ things did not change after her death, i don't think it- things did not change after her death, i don't think it will- things did not change after her. death, i don't think it will change now either~ — death, i don't think it will change now either~ i_ death, i don't think it will change now either. i don't _ death, idon't think it will change now either. i don't know- death, i don't think it will change now either. i don't know what - death, i don't think it will change now either. i don't know what he| death, i don't think it will change - now either. i don't know what he can do. now either. i don't know what he can do i_ now either. i don't know what he can do ithink— now either. i don't know what he can do i think he — now either. i don't know what he can do. i think he can— now either. i don't know what he can do. i think he can raise _ now either. i don't know what he can do. i think he can raise it— now either. i don't know what he can do. i think he can raise it as - now either. i don't know what he can do. i think he can raise it as an- do. i think he can raise it as an issue. _ do. i think he can raise it as an issue. he — do. i think he can raise it as an issue. he can _ do. i think he can raise it as an issue, he can ask— do. i think he can raise it as an issue, he can ask for— do. i think he can raise it as an. issue, he can ask for boundaries, do. i think he can raise it as an- issue, he can ask for boundaries, he has tried _ issue, he can ask for boundaries, he has tried to — issue, he can ask for boundaries, he has tried to work _ issue, he can ask for boundaries, he has tried to work with _ issue, he can ask for boundaries, he has tried to work with the _ issue, he can ask for boundaries, he has tried to work with the press - issue, he can ask for boundaries, he has tried to work with the press and| has tried to work with the press and it has— has tried to work with the press and it has not— has tried to work with the press and it has not worked. _ has tried to work with the press and it has not worked. i— has tried to work with the press and it has not worked. i don't _ has tried to work with the press and it has not worked. i don't know- has tried to work with the press and| it has not worked. i don't know what the ttest— it has not worked. i don't know what the best way— it has not worked. i don't know what the best way forward _ it has not worked. i don't know what the best way forward is _ it has not worked. i don't know what the best way forward is for- it has not worked. i don't know what the best way forward is for them, i. the best way forward is for them, i don't _ the best way forward is for them, i don't know— the best way forward is for them, i don't know what _ the best way forward is for them, i don't know what they _ the best way forward is for them, i don't know what they can - the best way forward is for them, i don't know what they can do - the best way forward is for them, i don't know what they can do other| don't know what they can do other than to— don't know what they can do other than to ptea — don't know what they can do other than to plea for— don't know what they can do other than to plea for some _ don't know what they can do other than to plea for some boundariesi don't know what they can do other. than to plea for some boundaries or guidelines— than to plea for some boundaries or guidelines in— than to plea for some boundaries or guidelines in place _ than to plea for some boundaries or guidelines in place that _ than to plea for some boundaries or guidelines in place that do - than to plea for some boundaries or guidelines in place that do not - than to plea for some boundaries or guidelines in place that do not risk. guidelines in place that do not risk than dying — guidelines in place that do not risk than dying 00— guidelines in place that do not risk thand inc. ~' , than dying. do you think this might siral out than dying. do you think this might spiral out of _ than dying. do you think this might spiral out of control, _ than dying. do you think this might spiral out of control, james? - than dying. do you think this might spiral out of control, james? are . spiral out of control, james? are you worried about the direction of

travel here? i you worried about the direction of travel here?— travel here? i want to respond to what ou travel here? i want to respond to what you just _ travel here? i want to respond to what you just said. _ travel here? i want to respond to what you just said. what - travel here? i want to respond to what you just said. what can - travel here? i want to respond to| what you just said. what can they do? it is what we can do as the british public to stand up against this narrative the british press are pushing on us. i speak to people all the time hating on harry and meghan and i don't really have a reason when you drill down. i honestly think we need to think more clearly when reading stories about them and make our own call on what is happening. make our own call on what is happening-— make our own call on what is haueninu. . . ., . make our own call on what is ha eninu. . . ., . happening. generational divide here? i have four daughters, _ happening. generational divide here? i have four daughters, 19-24, - i have four daughters, 19—24, broadly very sympathetic to harry and meghan, do you think there is a generational divide? i and meghan, do you think there is a generational divide?— generational divide? i definitely think so because _ generational divide? i definitely think so because they _ generational divide? i definitelyj think so because they represent generational divide? i definitely - think so because they represent what the country is now more so than our current royal family, there will family working. i do think it is generational. the older generation really trusts the newspapers and stuff they read, but the rest of us, we are online, looking at the truth. laughter

the best thing i have heard all morning. welcome to my world. saying ridiculous things. see you tomorrow. the headlines, world leaders begin arriving injapan ahead of a g7 meeting with security in the indo—pacific and the war in ukraine are top of the agenda. rival accounts emerge about a reported car chase involving prince harry and megan and paparazzi in new york. a rescue operation are continuing in italy after heavy rains caused deadly flooding. we start injapan where leaders of the g7 group of some of the world was my richest nations have arrived in the city ahead of the friday's

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