sure, in 2017, i developed those. sure, in 2017, i did a ted ex _ developed those. sure, in 2017, i did a ted ex talk _ developed those. sure, in 2017, i did a ted ex talk about _ developed those. sure, in 2017, i did a ted ex talk about the - did a ted ex talk about the potential about psilocybin to unlock depression, based on patient i had worked _ depression, based on patient i had worked with and the amazing results and the _ worked with and the amazing results and the enthusiasm i felt and others felt too _ and the enthusiasm i felt and others felt too and over the years of working — felt too and over the years of working with the patients i realiseded it is not a one hit wonder. _ realiseded it is not a one hit wonder, ate complex process, it requires — wonder, ate complex process, it requires lots of care and community infrastructure, for after a psychedelic therapy session we need communities to be ready to support people an _ communities to be ready to support people an ongoing way, there is a lot we _ people an ongoing way, there is a lot we need to do to prepare for psychedelic therapy. gne lot we need to do to prepare for psychedelic therapy.— psychedelic therapy. one of the thin . s we psychedelic therapy. one of the things we were _ psychedelic therapy. one of the things we were talking - psychedelic therapy. one of the things we were talking about i psychedelic therapy. one of the - things we were talking about before we came on air, was over time, the effects can diminish, can't they, so, how do you deal with that? absolutely, i think we need what is called _ absolutely, i think we need what is called integration programmes where you work— called integration programmes where you work with someone after this window— you work with someone after this window of— you work with someone after this window of opportunity that it can

bring _ window of opportunity that it can bring about and it is an ongoing process— bring about and it is an ongoing process where they require support and people i have worked with would argue _ and people i have worked with would argue for— and people i have worked with would argue for the need for repeat dose, one session — argue for the need for repeat dose, one session is not going to be sufficient, so for someone with depression who has suffered for many year. _ depression who has suffered for many year. they— depression who has suffered for many year, they have one session, they depression— year, they have one session, they depression usually tends to go away for a few— depression usually tends to go away for a few months, slowly starts to return _ for a few months, slowly starts to return because often they are returning _ return because often they are returning to conditions, societal condition— returning to conditions, societal condition that distributed to the —— contributed — condition that distributed to the —— contributed to the depression in the first place. — contributed to the depression in the first place, they need to work on those _ first place, they need to work on those condition, but we also need tom _ those condition, but we also need to... ., , ., , those condition, but we also need to... ., , , ., those condition, but we also need to... ., ,., ,�* to... that is a big question, isn't it. yes. to... that is a big question, isn't it- yes- let _ to... that is a big question, isn't it. yes. let us _ to... that is a big question, isn't it. yes. let us come _ to... that is a big question, isn't it. yes. let us come back - to... that is a big question, isn't it. yes. let us come back to - to... that is a big question, isn't i it. yes. let us come back to crispin blunt on some _ it. yes. let us come back to crispin blunt on some of _ it. yes. let us come back to crispin blunt on some of those specifics you raised about the support that is necessary, the ongoing nature of some of this care, i mean mean obviously there are budgetary implications of all of that, is that part of the government's reluctance, do you think or is it a moral panic about the... it do you think or is it a moral panic about the- - -_ about the... it would be frankly insane if it _ about the... it would be frankly insane if it was, _ about the... it would be frankly insane if it was, because -

about the... it would be frankly insane if it was, because why . about the... it would be frankly - insane if it was, because why people are so excited by the prospect of opening up mental health treatment, assisted by psychedelic psychotherapy is it offers hope to the, over one million people in the uk who suffer depression, who at the moment have no reasonable hope of a cure, they can have ssri prescribed which is a howl cure, they can have ssri prescribed which is a how i would describe as a chemical cosh to deal with the symptoms the and problems with people becoming addicted to those, to those treatments but they don't enable the therapies to have a reasonable shot at addressing the issue that is leading from the trauma or depression or anxiety, or indeed the addiction, these are conditions that affect a very large number of fellow citizens and why we need to get the regulatory place, as fast as we can, is to get the research, so we can get into a place with we can assess how we address the £100 billion cost to the scale

of these mental health condition, in terms of investing to provide a treatment it is a no—brainer. right. | treatment it is a no—brainer. right. i mean, rosalind, inever tabibly forsomeone right. i mean, rosalind, inever tabibly for someone like me who is not well versed in psychotherapy and pharmacology, there seem to be some superficial similarities with we have seen with cbd over the last decade or so and in fact of course now, particularly in the us, that has become a big business, i mean, is the same thing going to happen here, does it become a corporatised is a word you have used? we here, does it become a corporatised is a word you have used?— is a word you have used? we have certainly seeing — is a word you have used? we have certainly seeing the _ is a word you have used? we have certainly seeing the first _ is a word you have used? we have certainly seeing the first stages i is a word you have used? we have certainly seeing the first stages of| certainly seeing the first stages of that and _ certainly seeing the first stages of that and one issue comes into place, at the _ that and one issue comes into place, at the moment weapon are in a situation — at the moment weapon are in a situation where certainly, people because — situation where certainly, people because psilocybin and others are not decriminalised, people who are using _ not decriminalised, people who are using them — not decriminalised, people who are using them for therapeutic purrs could _ using them for therapeutic purrs could be — using them for therapeutic purrs could be sent to prisons while companies could be making huge amounts — companies could be making huge amounts of money, we need to think about— amounts of money, we need to think about the _ amounts of money, we need to think about the equity of treatments and i

think there — about the equity of treatments and i think there is is a responsibility for companies that stand to make huge _ for companies that stand to make huge profits from psychedelic therapy— huge profits from psychedelic therapy and there are lots of people with, _ therapy and there are lots of people with. you _ therapy and there are lots of people with, you know, there is excitement in the _ with, you know, there is excitement in the market, it has changed but there _ in the market, it has changed but there is— in the market, it has changed but there is excitement for the profit, potential, — there is excitement for the profit, potential, they need to commit to supporting community infrastructure, and supporting ways that society can support _ and supporting ways that society can support this, this movement and decriminalisation will be part of that _ decriminalisation will be part of that. ., .., decriminalisation will be part of that. ., .. decriminalisation will be part of that. ., . . ., ., that. you could argue a lot of the needs are — that. you could argue a lot of the needs are being _ that. you could argue a lot of the needs are being met _ that. you could argue a lot of the needs are being met by - that. you could argue a lot of the needs are being met by a - that. you could argue a lot of thei needs are being met by a cottage industry, of people, who are providing are growing kits and other things and that people are obtaining this, is that wrong, do you think? or, and will it be steam—rollered by the commercial forces you have been talking about? i the commercial forces you have been talking about?— talking about? i think what will ha en talking about? i think what will happen we _ talking about? i think what will happen we will— talking about? i think what will happen we will have _ talking about? i think what will happen we will have a - talking about? i think what will happen we will have a growing | happen we will have a growing movement where psychedelic therapy can be _ movement where psychedelic therapy can be delivered by the community for the _ can be delivered by the community for the community in a way slow growing — for the community in a way slow growing with professionals and community members' that are able to

provide _ community members' that are able to provide great care, alongside the pharmaceutical corporate model. they both have _ pharmaceutical corporate model. they both have a _ pharmaceutical corporate model. they both have a place. last pharmaceutical corporate model. they both have a place.— both have a place. last word very cuickl both have a place. last word very quickly crispin — both have a place. last word very quickly crispin blunt. _ both have a place. last word very quickly crispin blunt. we - both have a place. last word very quickly crispin blunt. we are - both have a place. last word very i quickly crispin blunt. we are almost out time. do you sense you are winning this argument?- out time. do you sense you are winning this argument? yes, i do, and the contribution _ winning this argument? yes, i do, and the contribution of _ winning this argument? yes, i do, and the contribution of rosalind i winning this argument? yes, i do, | and the contribution of rosalind is, we should very carefully listen to, because there is a responsible way to do this but we have to get it going because every day we delay people are killing themselves through depression, and that is a shocking place to be when we know there is a solution.— there is a solution. thank you both very much — there is a solution. thank you both very much indeed. _ thank you both very much indeed. that's all from us tonight. faisal�*s here tomorrow. until then sleep well.

the foreign minister said they were concerned about their growing nuclear arsenal. what is driving this concern?— nuclear arsenal. what is driving this concern? firstly, china partly is deviating _ this concern? firstly, china partly is deviating from _ this concern? firstly, china partly is deviating from its _ this concern? firstly, china partly is deviating from its traditional i is deviating from its traditional nuclear policy of maintaining a very small nuclear arsenal and in tendering a very modest nuclear posture. that strategy has been in place for decades, but now china appears to be in the process of a

very rapid and substantial nuclear expansion. according to open—source resorts, or about 200 nuclear weapons. but today the number has already doubled in a very few years and is projected to grow to more than 700 by 2027, and perhaps to 1000 by the end of this decade. 50 the speed of the growth is puzzling but more importantly i think is the opacity over this growth. 50 but more importantly i think is the opacity over this growth. so far the chinese government has refused to acknowledge china is building up its nuclear arsenal, despite all the open—source evidence. also, china does not offer any clarification about what is the military or strategic rationale behind the nuclear build—up. so it looks to an international committee like an open

ended nuclear expansion with no understanding about why china is doing so. i think that secrecy and lack of explanation contributes further to the international concern. ., further to the international concern-— further to the international concern. ., , . , concern. some of the g7 leaders, france and _ concern. some of the g7 leaders, france and germany, _ concern. some of the g7 leaders, france and germany, did - concern. some of the g7 leaders, france and germany, did visit - concern. some of the g7 leaders, i france and germany, did visit china. and of course they do want to engage with china while deterring its assertive moves around taiwan and eastern south china sea. how would you do that?— you do that? well, i think, you know, you do that? well, i think, you know. so _ you do that? well, i think, you know. so far. _ you do that? well, i think, you know, so far, the _ you do that? well, i think, you know, so far, the biggest i you do that? well, i think, you i know, so far, the biggest obstacle of course is when china thinks it is in a major power competition or rivalry. china is tightening up its external security. overall there is much less transparency. so it is very hard to understand what china is thinking, what is driving it

security policy, why it is developing certain military capabilities. there is much less publicly available information. so perhaps what people can do to get a better understanding of china's thinking is to have all sorts of engagements and exchanges from all the way to top level senior leadership dialogues to operational level exchanges, involving experts, policy leads, and perhaps even the general public. policy leads, and perhaps even the general public-— general public. thank you so much for 'oinin: general public. thank you so much forioining us— general public. thank you so much forjoining us on _ general public. thank you so much forjoining us on newsday - general public. thank you so much forjoining us on newsday today. i forjoining us on newsday today. thank you. let's take a quick look at some other stories from the uk. 20,000 train managers, caterers and station staff are to go on strike on the second june after the rmt union announced it means there will be three rail

strikes within four days, with train drivers who are part of the aslef union walking out on may 31st and june the third, the day of the fa cup final. two teenagers, aged 15 and 17, have been given life sentences for stabbing a boy as he walked home from school in huddersfield. 15—year—old khayri mclean was attacked last september. his mother, charlie mclean, described the killers as "cowards". police divers have started searching the port of barcelona for british former rugby player, levi davis, who's not been seen since leaving a pub in the city in october. spanish police say they're working on the theory that the former bath and worthing player fell into the sea. the 24—year—old had also appeared on celebrity x factor and celebs go dating.

it was described as a "near catastrophic car chase." but there have been conflicting accounts of the incident on tuesday evening in which prince harry and his wife meghan were followed from an awards ceremony by paparazzi. new york police said "numerous photographers" made the couple's journey "challenging". but a taxi driver who briefly drove them suggested their spokesperson's account was exaggerated. we've been piecing together their route. here's our north america reporter nada tawfik. life in america hasn't kept them out of the spotlight. the night for the duke and duchess of sussex started on a pleasant note, with meghan receiving an award for her advocacy on behalf of women and girls. how the evening ended is now a matter of dispute that has sparked global coverage. after the ceremony at the ziegfeld ballroom, the pair and meghan's motherjumped into a black suv at about ten p.m. they claim that a near catastrophic car chase ensued with highly aggressive paparazzi pursuing them for over two hours. we've tried to find out exactly

what happened when the sussexes left here in midtown, piecing together the few glimpses of their journey that have emerged. but the differing accounts have painted a far more complicated picture. their black suv can just be made out in the security footage from a bike shop at approximately 1002 in the evening on 55th street. at approximately 1002 the owner, rick, wasn't at his store at the time, but arrived the next morning to find intense interest in any footage he had. it kind of all happened really fast. i wasn't really understanding what was happening, and then when they explained to me that it was harry and meghan right down the block, i kind of was like, "go through my video, "i'm sure, like, i have something." the pair arrived at the nypd�*s 19th

precinct in manhattan at around 11pm after driving up and down busy streets to lose the paparazzi. from there, their security detail held down sonny singh's cab, but were blocked by a garbage truck. all of a sudden, paparazzi came out of nowhere and started flashing, taking pictures and, you know, and they didn't stop until the security got out and said, move, move, move. and then the garbage truck got out of the way and the paparazzi were following the car. and prince harry and his wife and the lady, they were nervous and they look scared. photographers involved have disputed the sussexes characterisation of events. in a statement from the agency backgrid usa, they said they had no intention of causing any distress or harm, but claimed that prince harry's escort was the one driving in a manner that could be perceived as reckless. so far, the duke and duchess have remained silent today, as has the palace.

meanwhile, the uk treasury has revealed that queen elizabeth's funeral and lying in state cost taxpayers an estimated £162 million, orjust over $200 million. our newsroom reporter naomi choy smith has been looking at the numbers. that sum of nearly £162 million covered the period from the queen's passing last september, all the way through the ten days of national mourning here in the uk, through to the queen's lying in state, and of course, herfuneral. and it's worth remembering just the monumental scale of these events. indeed, the largest state event to be held in the uk since the second world war. and it's worth remembering just the monumental scale of these events. indeed, the largest state event to be held in the uk since the second world war. you'll remember, of course, the hundreds of thousands of people who queued to pay their respects to the queen at westminster hall. and the government says that these funds were used to ensure these events could be run smoothly and with dignity while ensuring the safety and security of the public. now that's reflected in this number here, £73 million spent by the home office on police and security. it's thought to have been a massive scale security operation with around 5000 police officers deployed around

london and around the uk to ensure the security of all of these events. now, the second largest tranche of money was spent by the department for culture, media and sport, about £57 million spent on billboards commemorating the legacy of queen elizabeth and other announcements of that nature. the third largest tranche of money was covered by the scottish government, about £19 million, covering the cost of events like the queen's lying at rest in edinburgh after her passing at balmoral. now, smaller sums were spent by the devolved governments in northern ireland and in wales, as the king made his four nation tour following the passing of his mother. now, the treasury says that the devolved governments have since been refunded for those costs incurred and smaller departments were covering smaller sums of this money, about £2 million each by the ministry of defence, the department for transport and the foreign commonwealth

and development office. that's all for now — stay with bbc world news. hello there. here at home, our weather is quite quiet, but in italy, the flood situation will be ongoing. there's more cool, wet and windy weather developing in southern parts of europe. and this is the rainfall accumulation in the next few days. heavy rain for corsica and sardinia, the heaviest of the rain this time is more for the northwest of italy, and that could lead to some further flooding. away from that thickening cloud, we've had this band of cloud on that weather front producing just a little bit of rain. that's heading its way down into england and wales in some areas. clearer skies following to scotland and northern ireland. and first thing in the morning, temperatures could be as low as about five degrees. we will have more sunshine, though, on friday for scotland and northern ireland, although it may well cloud over a little more in the afternoon. some areas of cloud for england

and wales producing this rain and drizzle. it will tend to peter out, but as it brightens up we'll trigger a few showers all the way from yorkshire into the west midlands and the west country as well. but there will be some warm spells of sunshine around on friday, and in light winds those temperatures are going to be very similar to what we had on thursday. it could actually be a bit warmer in scotland, particularly across the east with more sunshine. now, this developing area of low pressure is storm nino and that's going to bring all that wet weather into central parts of the mediterranean. here at home, it's high pressure that's tending to dominate, although there is this strip of cloud coming in from the atlantic, and it looks like it could be quite cloudy for scotland and northern ireland, probably dry. most of that cloud is going to be quite high cloud. and away from here, england and wales seeing the lion's share of the sunshine. a bit of a breeze picking up perhaps in the far south east of england, but warm in the sunshine, temperatures hitting 20 or 21 celsius, particularly in the west, holding at 16 or 17 for scotland and northern ireland. and into the second half of the weekend,

we've still got a lot of cloud for scotland and northern ireland. a little or no rain around. it could well brighten up and warm up in the south east of scotland. but again, sunshine for england and wales, some fair weather cloud, and temperatures reaching 20 or 21 celsius, a little bit cooler perhaps around some of those north sea coasts. so, we've got some decent weather on the whole for this weekend, and not a great deal of change into next week. many places still dry with some sunshine, more cloud in the far north. and this is where we're more likely to have some rain at times.

welcome to hardtalk with me, zeinab badawi. my guest is one of the most celebrated artists of his generation, yet he is little known in his native britain and is only belatedly — to use his word — being given recognition here in the uk. well, now there is a major exhibition at the prestigious