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live from washington, this is bbc news. welcome to viewers on pbs in america. a sweeping crackdown on gang violence in el salvador has lowered crime, but it's also put innocent people behind bars. world leaders meet injapan ahead of the g7 summit. iam nick i am nick marsh live in hiroshima with global trade and support for ukraine high on the agenda here. and disney pulls the plug on a pricey project in florida amid a feud with the state's governor, ron desantis. hello, i'm sumi somaskanda.
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we start tonight with a special bbc report. for more than a year, el salvador has been living under an emergency measure called a �*state of exception�*, in which several constitutional rights were suspended in a national crackdown on the country's powerful street gangs. the police have arrested a staggering 66,000 people and el salvador�*s murder rate has fallen. but human rights organisations say thousands of people with no link to the gangs have been unjustly detained. 0ur correspondent will grant is covering this story for us. what have you learned? if we think about el salvador�*s nan- problem, the countries gang problem, the countries really synonymous with two main rival gangs. the ms13 and the 18 street gangs. they did rule all swathes of the country to a reign of terror, intimidation, violence and extortion. that is being exhausting for ordinary people as you can imagine,
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having to deal with that every day in their communities, fearful about the well being of their children as they go to school and so on and so forth, all slipping into hands of the gangs. following a very violent weekend of gang violence in march last year, president nayib bukele launched his crackdown. and since then, as you said in your introduction, more than 65,000 people arrested. human rights organisations are deeply frustrated at the way there are so many people caught in the middle and their families, so many people caught in the middle and theirfamilies, as i found out, really are demanding why the authorities can't more quickly establish their innocence. harsh, uncompromising and, the government insists, ruthlessly effective. these images of a new super max prison were released by the administration of media—savvy president nayib bukele to show off its gang crackdown to the world. for over a year, the police and el salvador had special powers of
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arrest. with certain constitutional rights are suspended, troops patrol the former gang's stronghold, checking youths for gang tattoos and criminal records and going door—to—door. most gang members are long gone, rested orfled. crime, rested or fled. crime, including rested orfled. crime, including the murder rate, has plummeted. by the policy hasn't brought everyone piece. with more than 65,000 people arrested, thousands with no discernible gang links were caught in the dragnet. among them jose duval mata. troops swept into his village a year ago. his mother hasn't seen him since and is desperate with worry. since and is desperate with wor . ~ ,, ~ ., worry. translation: i went to the “ail. i worry. translation: i went to the jail. i heard _ worry. translation: i went to the jail. i heard cries _ worry. translation: i went to the jail. i heard cries coming i the jail. i heard cries coming from inside. help us, help! "i can't take anymore." that caused me so much pain in heart, my poor son. marcella provided _ heart, my poor son. marcella provided the _ heart, my poor son. marcella provided the court _ heart, my poor son. marcella provided the court with - provided the court with evidence thatjose duval had no gang ties, from his clean
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terminal record to his high school diploma but still, he remains behind bars. what's interesting about all of these papers is that they add up to a picture of a young man who had a job, who had a family, who's been vouched for by the community by his workplace, and graduated high school as a young man who simply wasn't involved in gang activity. he is far from the only one. on the year anniversary of the state of exception, hundreds of families took to the streets of san salvador to demand the release of their relatives. in an exclusive bbc interview, the vice president admitted thousands had been wrongly imprisoned. we thousands had been wrongly imprisoned-— thousands had been wrongly imrisoned. ., ., ., imprisoned. we have so far over 65,000 imprisoned. we have so far over 65.000 persons— imprisoned. we have so far over 65,000 persons in _ imprisoned. we have so far over 65,000 persons in prison. - imprisoned. we have so far over| 65,000 persons in prison. there are mistakes, so people could be arrested with no links to the gangs. as i said, the perfect is the enemy of the good. what we are doing is
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something really good, appreciated by the population, over 90% of the population agree with the state of exception and they wanted to be extended. , .,, exception and they wanted to be extended. , , ., �*, .,, extended. jose duval's wife was re . nant extended. jose duval's wife was pregnant when _ extended. jose duval's wife was pregnant when he _ extended. jose duval's wife was pregnant when he was - extended. jose duval's wife was| pregnant when he was detained. he's never his baby boy. now, as the bank threatens to repossess their half built home, he is locked up farfrom his family and branded a gang member and the government would accept any proof to the contrary. will grant, bbc news, el salvador. remarkable to see your conversation with the vice president there. what has his crackdown meant the popularity of president nayib bukele? it’s of president nayib bukele? it's been a of president nayib bukele? it�*s been a huge shot in the arm for president bukele. it was going down quite well and he was talking well and clamping down with gangs but now that he has followed through with it with the state of exception which is polling at around 90% or even more than that support, he
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really sees that he can cement his place in, really, el salvador and history now. what he can do is potentially change the constitution or stand for election beyond the normal one term that is permitted. is lsa is permitted. there is a sort of constitutional caveat that allows him to do that. his critics accused him of authoritarianism and militarising the nation as a whole but certainly this action, is hard stance towards the gangs, given they've made life so difficult and miserable for so many millions of people for so many millions of people for so many millions of people for so long, is going down very, very well, it has to be said. is very, very well, it has to be said. , ., , very, very well, it has to be said. , . , . ., said. is there any 'udicial recouers * said. is there any 'udicial recourse fort said. is there anyjudicial recourse for those - said. is there anyjudicial recourse for those who l said. is there anyjudicial. recourse for those who have been put on these prisons and their relatives?— their relatives? yes, there is. to an extent, _ their relatives? yes, there is. to an extent, people - their relatives? yes, there is. to an extent, people can - their relatives? yes, there is. i to an extent, people can employ their own lawyers, there are noticeable efforts by ngos to
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sort of bring class actions. they have attempted to bring the case to the inter—american court of human rights and there are a few key cases which are making progress that way but quite honestly, these are, as you can see in the report, very poorfamilies who you can see in the report, very poor families who often don't have many resources, either financial or legal, to turn to. and when you are hearing about mass trials, jose duval mata, for example, his case was heard along with 360 other inmates and they were all automatically given six months. it's very difficult one to stand up and say, i have ajob, i have a family, i'm nota say, i have ajob, i have a family, i'm not a gang member. more than 65,000 people arrested in one year. tell us about the human impact this has had. �* , ., ., ., about the human impact this has had. �*, ., ., ., ., , had. it's had it on two fronts. which are _ had. it's had it on two fronts. which are admittedly - had. it's had it on two fronts. which are admittedly much i which are admittedly much calmer. we went to gang controlled strongholds. they
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can use their mobile phones in the streets. they are not living in here anymore. that's the positive thing the government is keen to promote. with immediacy, arbitrarily, and that number of people being put in what was already a very strange and overcrowded prison system. that is extremely difficult, and they are living in awful conditions. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. 0n the herefordshire border, and why is famous for books and in a field on the edge of town, it's all systems go preparing for the annual a festival. the
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festival is _ for the annual a festival. the festival is in _ for the annual a festival. the festival is in its _ for the annual a festival. the festival is in its 36th - for the annual a festival. the festival is in its 36th year but how did it start? the festival began _ but how did it start? the festival began with - but how did it start? tue: festival began with one but how did it start? tte: festival began with one single event six years ago in the village hall in hay on wye. and it's now 36 years later, it's awesome into this incredible p°p�*up awesome into this incredible pop—up village. big names, dua lipa, stormzy at the top of the super stylist. he lipa, stormzy at the top of the super stylist-— super stylist. he prides itself on bein: super stylist. he prides itself on being the _ super stylist. he prides itself on being the world's - super stylist. he prides itself on being the world's first - super stylist. he prides itself. on being the world's first book town. around 2000 people live here and there are about 20 independent bookshops. the winter in hay _ independent bookshops. "tt2 winter in hay can independent bookshops. tt2 winter in hay can be quite long, we are quite seasonal as a town and the festival is a sign that the season has really come back. sign that the season has really come back-— sign that the season has really come back. the local people we s - oke come back. the local people we soke to come back. the local people we spoke to said — come back. the local people we spoke to said they _ come back. the local people we spoke to said they embrace - come back. the local people we spoke to said they embrace it. i spoke to said they embrace it. we would be hoping for a good festival. you're live with bbc news. let's turn to japan — where in the next few hours g7 leaders will begin
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their summit. it's likely that the war in ukraine will top the agenda, after a new spate of aerial attacks on kyiv and an anticipated ukrainian cou nteroffe nsive. ukraine's leader, volodymyr zelensky, willjoin the meeting by video on sunday. also of importantance is china and trade. leaders are concerned about china's footprint in the region and say they will propose ways to work together on the issue. they will also discuss the growing pressure that taiwan is underfrom china, dealing with threats of military aggression and economic coercion such as blockades. in hiroshima, earlier today, japanese prime minister, fumio kishida, who's hosting the summit, kicked off the conference with a few meetings to discuss bilateral agreemements with select allies. within the next hour or so g7 leaders will gather for a family photo, marking day two of the summit. their spouses will be entertained with traditional japanese dance
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performance bugaku. the bbc�*s nick marsh is in hiroshima for us and we can bring him in now. the location hiroshima is a significant backdrop for this summit — one survivor has been speaking, this is what he said. one night, my hiroshima disappeared. there was a flash. the flash was blinding and a bright flash, and everything i was seeing turned to white. no colour at all. and then, soon after that, i was in middle of a storm — like i was in a tornado or a typhoon. i couldn't believe. i was beaten on the road and beaten on the road. then, i became unconscious. i don't know how many minutes but when i opened my eyes, everywhere was just dark and gradually, i could see my
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neighbourhood and everything was, you know, just broken. there were so many people. they started to die. next, without experience hiroshima has had, what role will nuclear deterrence play in this year's summit? symbolically, a big one, the practically, not so big. g7 leaders have higher priorities on the lists. russia, ukraine, china's military and economic influence there. but that doesn't diminish the symbolic significance of holding a summit injapan here in the city of hiroshima. the very first act that the g7 leaders will do, will kickoff a summit for the visit to the memorials of that devastating atomic bomb
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attack. we were there yesterday, where those leaders were going to be in an hour or so. this is something that looms large around the city. people talk about the view from under the mushroom cloud, so many people said from the outside. people here see from the inside. whether it is people like keiko 0gura who we heard from there, a survivor, or people who came after. the fact is, if people don't remember, then people are very much aware of what happened and of the fragility of peace in this region and that taps into other issues that g7 leaders are going to be talking about at this summit. as you said, the war is one of them and g7 leaders are expected to formalise more sanctions on russia. we know what will entail? ——do we know what these
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will entail? tt’s entail? --do we know what these will entail?— will entail? it's a fresh batch of sanctions _ will entail? it's a fresh batch of sanctions we _ will entail? it's a fresh batch of sanctions we heard - will entail? it's a fresh batch of sanctions we heard this i of sanctions we heard this morning from us official, basically targeting russia's access to battlefield materials, so the idea is that we got dozens of dozens of new materials, new exports that are going to be targeted by the sanctions. the idea is to try and hurt russia as much economically as well as militarily to try dissuaded from continuing its attack on ukraine. but there is one thing putting in sanctions, and imposing them. we know that russia is using third countries and expecting to hear what g7 leaders were tightening restrictions on that regard. we are going to have to see how much the us, which is pushing for really harsh export bands. and also its european partners are willing to wait in the
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middle. european economies are still very exposed to trade in russia so we're going to step to see match the economic reality. to see match the economic reali . �* ., ., , reality. and what about china's foot - rint reality. and what about china's footprint in _ reality. and what about china's footprint in the _ reality. and what about china's footprint in the region. - reality. and what about china's footprint in the region. what . reality. and what about china's footprint in the region. what i | footprint in the region. what i g7 leaders expected to discuss defending taiwan.— g7 leaders expected to discuss defending taiwan. taiwan is the bi . defending taiwan. taiwan is the bi talkin: defending taiwan. taiwan is the big talking point _ defending taiwan. taiwan is the big talking point here. - defending taiwan. taiwan is the big talking point here. what's . big talking point here. what's happened in ukraine over the past year or so as animated discussion on peace in this region. we all know what china says. the self—governing island. they state as part of china and will do whatever it takes to unify taiwan the mainland. japan is particularly concerned, we know about the history of conflict in this region and trying to rally, if not support, trying to rally opposition to any potential invasion. i think there is a recognition in this part of the world they can't simply rely on the us's military and economic support, countries in here in this part of the world are arming. japan has really ramped
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up arming. japan has really ramped up its military spending in view of any potential conflict so i have to keep across what countries say just so i have to keep across what countries sayjust in regards to chinese perceived aggression but also a painter to do to combat that. nick marsh reporting. for more on what to expect from the g7, i spoke to derek grossman, senior defence analyst at the rand corporation. thank you very much forjoining us. let's start with the two headliner topics of this g7 summit. politico reported us officials are planning for the growing possibility that russia and ukraine, the war, will turn into a frozen conflict. how do you think g7 leaders will approach this, to try to keep up approach this, to try to keep up momentum for the west�*s support for ukraine? up momentum for the west's support for ukraine? thanks, eah, support for ukraine? thanks, yeah. well. — support for ukraine? thanks, yeah. well. i— support for ukraine? thanks, yeah, well, i think— support for ukraine? thanks, yeah, well, i think that - support for ukraine? thanks, yeah, well, i think that the i support for ukraine? thanks, | yeah, well, i think that the g7 has been quite unanimous in its view that russia's invasion of ukraine was in violation of
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international law. you cannot have one sovereign country invading and destroying another. so, regardless of what they anticipate as being the future, whetherfrozen they anticipate as being the future, whether frozen conflict or otherwise, i think the fact that they are all singing from the same sheet of music is going to help a lot that they collectively pool their resources to deal with the issue in the future. [30 resources to deal with the issue in the future. do you anticipate _ issue in the future. do you anticipate any _ issue in the future. do you anticipate any more - issue in the future. do you i anticipate any more promises of aid for ukraine? t anticipate any more promises of aid for ukraine?— aid for ukraine? i don't. but i do expeet _ aid for ukraine? i don't. but i do expect there _ aid for ukraine? i don't. but i do expect there to _ aid for ukraine? i don't. but i do expect there to be - do expect there to be conversations at the highest of levels between the leaders themselves about what to do going forward. but i don't know that we would see additional aid packages. 50. that we would see additional aid packages-— that we would see additional aid packages. so, the other big toic aid packages. so, the other big topic they _ aid packages. so, the other big topic they will _ aid packages. so, the other big topic they will be _ aid packages. so, the other big topic they will be discussing i topic they will be discussing of course is china. how to contain china but also how to prevent relations from deteriorating further. are they on the same page on how to do that? y ., on the same page on how to do that? , ., ., y ., that? so, yeah, i mean, you mentioned _ that? so, yeah, i mean, you mentioned politico. - that? so, yeah, i mean, you mentioned politico. i- that? so, yeah, i mean, you mentioned politico. i don't l mentioned politico. i don't think this is the same article, may a different one, but
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politico also reported that the us and japan are kind of on one side of the ledger and then, the european countries of the g7 are on the other when it comes to how to deal with china. the us and japan want to takea china. the us and japan want to take a very sharp approach in terms of countering china throughout all kinds of different means and they believe that china is preparing to attack or perhaps even invade taiwan over the coming years. european leaders, in particular, i mean french president emmanuel macron a couple of months ago raised some eyebrows when he referred to taiwan as not necessarily being a priority for europe and that europe should not automatically follow america's lead when it comes to countering and competing against china, and so yeah, i think we're going to see some divergences there but at the same i'm also being told that the g7 will bring up chinese economic coercion worldwide and how that is a constant and growing problem that they have
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to deal with, so i do think there are going to be more areas of agreement on china than disagreements. you wrote specifically _ than disagreements. you wrote specifically about _ than disagreements. you wrote specifically about the _ than disagreements. you wrote specifically about the role i specifically about the role that china is playing in taiwan's upcoming election next year. what do you think g7 countries can do to specifically counter that influence?— specifically counter that influence? ., ., ., influence? yeah, well, again, they first _ influence? yeah, well, again, they first have _ influence? yeah, well, again, they first have to _ influence? yeah, well, again, they first have to agree i influence? yeah, well, again, they first have to agree that l they first have to agree that china agreed for protecting taiwan is a project —— protecting taiwan is a priority and i'm not sure they all agree but let's say for a minute they do. one way of dealing with the problem is to bolster deterrence within the taiwan strait. we've seen the united states do deterrence patrols through the taiwan strait but we've also seen other european countries participate as well and, you know, in more limited forms so there is one way to do it. ., ., ., ., it. new on the agenda for the g7 is artificial _ g7 is artificial intelligence with chatgpt being released earlier this year, there are concerns about how the
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technology can be used, for example, by authoritarian leaders to disseminate misinformation as well. what do you expect to see to come out of this summit from the g7 leaders on al in particular? well, i mean, yeah, it's too early to tell on that but chatgpt certainly has all types of implications, especially for authoritarian regimes to be able to manipulate information thatis able to manipulate information that is being produced by the regime in favour of you know maintaining some sort of influence or control over the people living under it, and so yeah, i expect the g7 to say something about that. derek, thank you _ something about that. derek, thank you so _ something about that. derek, thank you so much _ something about that. derek, thank you so much for- something about that. derek, thank you so much forjoining| thank you so much forjoining us on bbc news. thank you so much for “oining us on bbc newsi us on bbc news. tanks are havin: us on bbc news. tanks are having me- _ —— thanks for having me. disney has scrapped a nearly $1 billion investment in florida, a decision it attributes to "changing business conditions" in the state. the state's governor, republican ron desantis, has been in an ongoing row with disney since the company criticised legislation he signed, restricting the discussion of sexuality
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and gender identity in primary schools. soon after, mr desantis stripped disney of its self—governing powers in the walt disney world entertainment complex, saying what he called a "woke" company didn't deserve such rights. the cancelled plans would have seen disney build a $687 million corporate campus in florida and move 2000 of its workers there. earlier, i spoke with the bbc�*s anthony zurcher. he is in celebration, florida, a disney—built communityjust outside disney world. anthony, great to see you. tell us how ron desantis has responded to all of this. well, he very quickly _ responded to all of this. well, he very quickly released i responded to all of this. well, he very quickly released a i he very quickly released a statement, saying that florida was unsure if this project was even going to come off, there had been planned for two years now and that they were not surprised to got cancelled and that disney should concentrate more on their drop in stock prices and market capitalisation and cutback on
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bailing for failing business enterprises so kind of a big shrug that said we did not want you anyway, in a matter of speaking. you anyway, in a matter of speaking-— you anyway, in a matter of s-ueakin. ~ ., ., ., you anyway, in a matter of s-ueakin. ~ . ., ., ., speaking. we are hearing all of these reports _ speaking. we are hearing all of these reports that _ speaking. we are hearing all of these reports that governor i these reports that governor desantis is preparing to announce his presidential campaign next week, already. do you think this dispute with disney will play into that? well, you know, it has been the centrepiece of ron desantis�*s run up to his announcement, the fact that he is willing to take on so—called woke corporations that espouse liberal policies and priorities and not back down but this has been escalating over the course of a year now and i think it's starting to get to the point where it could be perceived as a weakness, that he cannot bring this to a resolution, he is picking a fight he did not expect to get so big so i would not be surprised if he touts it but his opponents also try to hit him on this as a sign that he is not ready to take on the big fish. there was one person i spoke to here in florida who said he if he cannot
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successfully negotiate with disney, how can he deal with china or ukraine?— disney, how can he deal with china or ukraine? that's right, he is known — china or ukraine? that's right, he is known for _ china or ukraine? that's right, he is known for these - he is known for these conservative policies, especially on social issues, how does that generally play in florida among voters there? t florida among voters there? i think there is a calculation florida among voters there? t think there is a calculation on desantis�*s part that voters, not necessarily in florida but primary republican republic —— voters in iowa care more about cultural warfare issues, about the hardtalk on issues and taking on liberals and espousing conservative education issues, rather than economic issues the republican party traditionally viewed as a pro—business party but there's been a shift in recent years away from that. this is not, as joe biden like to say, your father's republican party. this is a party who cares more about the hot button social issues so i think you could see that becoming an emphasis for ron desantis and it's his hope then
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that the give him a connection of odours. that the give him a connection of odours— that the give him a connection of odours. donald trump is the other popular— of odours. donald trump is the other popular florida _ of odours. donald trump is the other popular florida presidentj other popular florida president who will be in the campaign. how do you expect this fight to play out, especially with ron desantis trying to highlight all of his policies in the state of florida? ~ �* ., ., , state of florida? we've already seen donald — state of florida? we've already seen donald trump _ state of florida? we've already seen donald trump release i seen donald trump release social post criticising ron desantis, saying that this is just the first step of disney possibly pulling out even more from florida, criticising his handling of this, essentially mocking him for taking on a fight that he cannot win so i think donald trump, it's interesting, he is not staking out the kind of hard—core conservative positions that ron desantis is, he has been a little more waffle issue, you could say, noncommittal assaying abortion is an issue but hitting the centres from the left on social security —— wafflish. the government programme to provide health insurance and retirement for the elderly. so it's going to
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make for an interesting dynamic. ron desantis as i said has made the calculation that republican voters are going to care about hot button social cultural issues. donald trump is much as he is identified with these as well seems to be manoeuvring a different angle from this. and finally — the cost of queen elizabeth's funeral and lying state has been revealed. a tally by the british treasury says that the government paid an estimated £162 million for events surrounding that's about us$200 million. the costs relate to the queen's funeral and other events in the run—up, including the monarch's lying—in—state. queen elizabeth i! died on 8 september 2022 aged 96. $200 millon is a steep price tag, surely — one fit for a queen. before we go we will bring you some live pick is now from hiroshima injapan, where world leaders in the next few hours
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our meeting as part of this summit. —— pictures. you are seeing the memorial park. world leaders discussing a number of topics. we will have that for you at the top of next hour. thank you for watching bbc news. hello there. here at home, our weather is quite quiet but in italy, the flood situation will be ongoing. there's more cool, wet and windy weather developing in southern parts of europe and this is the rainfall accumulation in the next few days. heavy rain for corsica and sardinia. the heaviest of the rain this time is more for the north—west of italy, and that could lead to some further flooding. away from that thickening cloud, we've had this band of cloud on that weather front producing just a little bit of rain. that's heading its way down into england and wales in some areas. clearer skies following to scotland and northern ireland. and first thing in the morning, temperatures could be as low as about five degrees. we will have more sunshine, though, on friday for scotland and northern ireland, although it may well cloud over a little more in the afternoon. some areas of cloud for england
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and wales producing this rain and drizzle. it will tend to peter out but as it brightens up will trigger a few showers all the way from yorkshire into the west midlands and the west country as well. but there will be some warm spells of sunshine around on friday and in light winds, those temperatures are going to be very similar to what we had on thursday. it could actually be a bit warmer in scotland, particularly across the east with more sunshine. now, this developing area of low pressure is storm nino and that's going to bring all that wet weather into central parts of the mediterranean. here at home, it's high pressure that's tending to dominate, although there is this strip of cloud coming in from the atlantic and it looks like it could be quite cloudy for scotland and northern ireland. probably dry. most of that cloud is going to be quite high cloud. and away from here, england and wales seeing the lion's share of the sunshine. a bit of a breeze picking up perhaps in the far south—east of england but warm in the sunshine — temperatures hitting 20 or 21 celsius, particularly in the west, holding at 16 or 17 for scotland and northern ireland. and into the second half
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of the weekend, we've still got a lot of cloud for scotland and northern ireland. a little or no rain around. it could well brighten up and warm up in the south—east of scotland but again, sunshine for england and wales, some fair weather cloud and temperatures reaching 20 or 21 celsius. a little bit cooler perhaps around some of those north sea coasts. so, we've got some decent weather on the whole for this weekend and not a great deal of change into next week. many places still dry with some sunshine, more cloud in the far north, and this is where we're more likely to have some rain at times.
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i am nick marsh live at the g7 summit in hiroshima. where world leaders are arriving right now, meeting to discuss the global economy, china, ukraine and artificial intelligence. also on the programme, disney scrapped a multi—million dollar plan to build a corporate camp is in florida following an ongoing spat with the state's governor. welcome to asia business report with me, mariko 0i. we with me, mariko 0i. want to take you straight
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