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welcome to newsday, reporting live from singapore. i'm monica miller. we're on air slightly earlier than usual to bring you details of two breaking stories. # you are simply the best # you are simply the best # better than all the rest... tributes are paid to music legend tina turner, who has died at the age of 83. and the governor of florida ron desantis announces his 2024 presidential bid. live from our studio in singapore, this is bbc news. it's newsday.
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hello and welcome to the programme. america grammy award—winning singer tina turner, widely hailed as the queen of rock and roll, has died. she was 83 years old. her publicist said she had been suffering from a long illness. born anna mae bullock in the state of tennessee, she became famous in the late 1960s performing as a duo in a turbulent musical partnership with her abusive husband ike turner. as a solo artist with global hits like what's love got to do with it, the best and private dancer, she sold more than 180 million albums worldwide. her high—kicking, inexhaustable energy on stage made her a defining icon of pop music in the 1980s. david sillito looks back at her life and career.
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# when you were a young boy # did you have a puppy # that always followed you around... 1966, river deep, mountain high. in yourface, hip shaking, sweat drenched, passionate, pop perfection. # and do i love you, my oh my # river deep, mountain high...# however, in america, the song was a flop. it would be another 17 years before tina turner truly made it. # baby.# # now, ike turner, i'm all you need, so darling... anna mae bullock grew up in nutbush, tennessee. her family were sharecroppers. she started singing in ike turner's band when she was a teenager. # nutbush city limits...# and poor, largely abandoned by her parents, it was, she hoped, her escape. but it was an escape into a different sort of misery.
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# rolling rolling # rolling down the river...# there were hits and the world saw a confident, powerful woman on stage. # i'm the gypsy, the acid queen...# but the acid queen in tommy was, in private, fearful of her violent, controlling husband. finally, in 1976, she walked out. i did try to leave, and the first time was when i had the experience of being whipped with a wire hanger. and then another time was something else. and i realised, "well, you don't go back." # i'm your private dancer # a dancer for money # i'll do what you want me to do...# her career, though, was in the doldrums. however, there was a place that had long been more receptive to the tina turner magic — britain. # let's stay together...#
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let's stay together was a collaboration with the creative team behind heaven 17. a new british manager and backing from artists such as david bowie helped turbo—charge her career. # 0h, what's love got to do, got to do with it...# no wonder they turned her life story into a musical. what followed was hit after hit. # but a second—hand emotion...# # we don't need another hero...# a film role in mad max... but how the world turns — one day cock of the walk, next a feather duster. # you're simply the best # better than all the rest...# ..and in the year 2000, she was 60 years old and the biggest selling concert artist in the world. from annie may bullock and the church choir of nutbush baptist church, to multi—platinum selling buddhist rock and roll superstar, living in switzerland...
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..the extraordinary tina turner. we go live now with our inner timmy correspondent collin patterson, who is at the tina turner musical in central london.— is at the tina turner musical in central london. , ., ., central london. yes, good evening, the show should _ central london. yes, good evening, the show should be _ central london. yes, good evening, the show should be ending - central london. yes, good evening, the show should be ending in - central london. yes, good evening, the show should be ending in the i the show should be ending in the next few minutes, so i will keep turning around to see if the audience has come out, because we want to find out is how the show reacted to more their tribute paid at the end? we diminish his pitch people, many only fining out the news as they came outside and got signal on their mobile phone. so much shock, so much sadness. marta is here, who has come overfrom much shock, so much sadness. marta is here, who has come over from the states. you were on holiday, but when you heard the news... i started
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c inc. when you heard the news... i started crying- tina — when you heard the news... i started crying. tina turner _ when you heard the news... i started crying. tina turner means _ when you heard the news... i started crying. tina turner means the - crying. tina turner means the world, for the _ crying. tina turner means the world, for the energy, singing, crying. tina turner means the world, forthe energy, singing, energy, love~ _ forthe energy, singing, energy, love~ we — forthe energy, singing, energy, love. we cry for her. she is my generation, _ love. we cry for her. she is my generation, even though she is older than me. _ generation, even though she is older than me, but we love tina turner. what _ than me, but we love tina turner. what was — than me, but we love tina turner. what was so — than me, but we love tina turner. what was so special about her? the kindness, the smile, the love for life, _ kindness, the smile, the love for life. the — kindness, the smile, the love for life, the energy, the singing, the passion _ life, the energy, the singing, the passion for— life, the energy, the singing, the passion for her husband, for her children. — passion for her husband, for her children, for life. beautiful. 30 children, for life. beautiful. so man children, for life. beautiful. sr many people who were speaking to at the interview were saying how her life story was an inspiration to them? , , , , them? yes, yes, definitely. definitely- _ them? yes, yes, definitely. definitely. and _ them? yes, yes, definitely. definitely. and i _ them? yes, yes, definitely. definitely. and i wish - them? yes, yes, definitely. - definitely. and i wish everybody now knows _ definitely. and i wish everybody now knows more about her and comes see the show _ knows more about her and comes see the show. keep living, tina turner. we love _ the show. keep living, tina turner. we love you — the show. keep living, tina turner. we love you and we sing your songs. i we love you and we sing your songs. itravetted _ we love you and we sing your songs. i travelled the world singing to tina turner. it makes you want to dance _ tina turner. it makes you want to dance and — tina turner. it makes you want to dance and sing more.— tina turner. it makes you want to dance and sing more. which are the sonus ou dance and sing more. which are the songs you will _ dance and sing more. which are the songs you will be _ dance and sing more. which are the songs you will be turning _ dance and sing more. which are the songs you will be turning to? - dance and sing more. which are the songs you will be turning to? all. dance and sing more. which are the songs you will be turning to? all of| songs you will be turning to? all of them. all songs you will be turning to? all of them- all of _ songs you will be turning to? all of them. all of them, _ songs you will be turning to? all of them. all of them, all _ songs you will be turning to? all of them. all of them, all of _ songs you will be turning to? all of them. all of them, all of them. - songs you will be turning to? all of them. all of them, all of them. they
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are all— them. all of them, all of them. they are all in_ them. all of them, all of them. they are all in my— them. all of them, all of them. they are all in my mind. the moving... yes! _ are all in my mind. the moving... yes! the— are all in my mind. the moving... yes! the best, tina turner! only one tina turnen — yes! the best, tina turner! only one tina turner-— tina turner. you are from colombia. how pepuiar — tina turner. you are from colombia. how pepuiar is _ tina turner. you are from colombia. how pepuiar is she _ tina turner. you are from colombia. how popular is she there? _ tina turner. you are from colombia. how popular is she there? very - how popular is she there? very --oular how popular is she there? very pepuiar in _ how popular is she there? very pepuiar in my _ how popular is she there? very popular in my generation, but now we have shakira, but not to compare tina turnen _ have shakira, but not to compare tina turner. her hair, her close. have shakira, but not to compare tina turner. her hair, herclose. i wish— tina turner. her hair, herclose. i wish i _ tina turner. her hair, herclose. i wish i coutd— tina turner. her hair, herclose. i wish i could be like her! seriously! the audiences are starting to come out now, marta. if you come with me... the tina turner musical, which has been running in the uk since 2018. tina turner was a producer. let us just see if we can get in and grab some people... excuse me, were you in the show? we are live on the bbc. did they pay tribute to her at the end? we bbc. did they pay tribute to her at the end? ~ ., ., ., the end? we found out at the interval- -- — audio loss
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avril was very shocked. it was very well done — avril was very shocked. it was very well done. the whole company came on stagem _ audio loss the tribute was paid before the second half?— the tribute was paid before the second half? �* ., , .., ., second half? before the second half. will how did — second half? before the second half. will how did it _ second half? before the second half. will how did it change? _ second half? before the second half. will how did it change? what - second half? before the second half. will how did it change? what was - will how did it change? what was the second half like? it was brilliant for the carry on... second half like? it was brilliant for the carry on. . .— second half like? it was brilliant for the carry on... very emotional. they carried _ for the carry on... very emotional. they carried on. _ for the carry on... very emotional. they carried on. thank— for the carry on... very emotional. they carried on. thank you - for the carry on... very emotional. they carried on. thank you for - they carried on. thank you for s-ueakin they carried on. thank you for speaking to — they carried on. thank you for speaking to us _ they carried on. thank you for speaking to us on _ they carried on. thank you for speaking to us on the - they carried on. thank you for speaking to us on the bbc- they carried on. thank you for i speaking to us on the bbc news channel for the first people out of the audience, speaking to the bbc there at the tina turner musical in london. ~ . . there at the tina turner musical in london. ~ ., ., , . ., , there at the tina turner musical in london. ., . ., , ., london. what a piece of news to get durin: london. what a piece of news to get during seeing _ london. what a piece of news to get during seeing a _ london. what a piece of news to get during seeing a musical. _ london. what a piece of news to get during seeing a musical. thank- london. what a piece of news to get during seeing a musical. thank you | during seeing a musical. thank you very much for that update. let's go live to los angeles, the hollywood
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walk of fame, where tribute are being made to tina turner. as we can see, people are bringing flowers and pleasing them on tina turner's star, which was placed on the iconic sidewalk on august 1986. our other top story... actually, we are going top story... actually, we are going to first take you to sass brown, who has dedicated his entire career to tina turner. thank you forjoining us on the programme. this must be a very emotional day for you. let's just start out what was your favourite song of team turner? when did you first see her perform? i saw her perform — did you first see her perform? i saw her perform in _ did you first see her perform? i saw her perform in the _ did you first see her perform? i saw her perform in the 80s _ did you first see her perform? i saw her perform in the 80sjust - her perform in the 80s just outside of oxfordshire. and ijust felt that... i have always loved her music, but she is an absolute icon. her presence, even though i could see herfrom afar and many on her presence, even though i could see her from afar and many on the videos, or absolute presence, see her from afar and many on the videos, orabsolute presence, it see her from afar and many on the videos, or absolute presence, it was like she was singing in front of me.
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it wasjust amazing. like she was singing in front of me. it was just amazing. as interviewed artist, for me to actually pay a small amount of homage to her, i feel honoured. —— as a tribute artist. feel honoured. -- as a tribute artist. ,, ., , ., ., ., artist. she really had one of the best comeback _ artist. she really had one of the best comeback stories - artist. she really had one of the best comeback stories in - artist. she really had one of the best comeback stories in all- artist. she really had one of the best comeback stories in all of. best comeback stories in all of music and even entertainment. describe for us exactly how that transformation happened. how is it, how does that impact you in your performance? i how does that impact you in your performance?— how does that impact you in your erformance? ~' ' . ., performance? i think the effect that she is an icon _ performance? i think the effect that she is an icon and _ performance? i think the effect that she is an icon and that _ performance? i think the effect that she is an icon and that she - performance? i think the effect that she is an icon and that she has - she is an icon and that she has managed to come from such a small background, and not push —— in nutbush, the trauma she had with ike and the fact she has made it, it has made inspiration in every thing i do in my life and i'm sure a lot of women could say the same for she still lives on in my heart, she still lives on in my heart, she still lives on in my heart. today,
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it's a really sad day for me. it's really sad. it's a really sad day for me. it's really sad-— really sad. she had such an inspiration _ really sad. she had such an inspiration on _ really sad. she had such an inspiration on artists - really sad. she had such an inspiration on artists all- really sad. she had such an l inspiration on artists all over really sad. she had such an - inspiration on artists all over the world, beyonce is that she was almost like her second mother. how do you see her music resonate with other artists? she do you see her music resonate with other artists?— other artists? she is the queen of rock and roll. _ other artists? she is the queen of rock and roll. there _ other artists? she is the queen of rock and roll. there is _ other artists? she is the queen of rock and roll. there is no - other artists? she is the queen of rock and roll. there is no other. rock and roll. there is no other words. as mickjagger said, she taught him how to dance. she is the epitome of everything that is rock, that his soul, that is r&b, that is just everything. i have no words because she is such a wonderful woman, was tricky wonderful woman, and she will continue to inspire my life all the way through —— was a wonderful woman. there's nothing more i can say, really.— wonderful woman. there's nothing more i can say, really. what was the first son: more i can say, really. what was the first song that _ more i can say, really. what was the first song that you _ more i can say, really. what was the first song that you heard, _ more i can say, really. what was the first song that you heard, or- more i can say, really. what was the first song that you heard, or i - first song that you heard, or i should ask, what is your most favourite song?— should ask, what is your most favourite son: ? ., ., , favourite song? there are so many. three of them _ favourite song? there are so many. three of them i _ favourite song? there are so many. three of them i would _ favourite song? there are so many. three of them i would say -
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favourite song? there are so many. three of them i would say would . favourite song? there are so many. three of them i would say would bej three of them i would say would be nutbush city limits. i love her cover of addicted to love, and i love singing that, and i love river deep, mountain high.— love singing that, and i love river deep, mountain high. some absolute classics. anyhow, _ deep, mountain high. some absolute classics. anyhow, thank _ deep, mountain high. some absolute classics. anyhow, thank you - deep, mountain high. some absolute classics. anyhow, thank you for - classics. anyhow, thank you for sharing your story. we know this is a tough day for you.— a tough day for you. thank you so much. a tough day for you. thank you so much- thank— a tough day for you. thank you so much. thank you. _ we are moving onto our other top story here on tuesday. and that is that the governor of florida, ron desantis, has confirmed all the rumours. he has declared his presidential candidacy by filing papers with election officials. there's been enough hints. he's currently been in miami, meeting big campaign donors, his wife tweeted a dramatic 30—second video of him in front of an american flag and elon musk says a live interview with the governor is coming on his twitter platform in the next half an hour. so, we're going to be keeping a
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close eye on that. polls suggest the 44—year—old is the main — but distant — rival to donald trump, with a lot of republicans considering him a more effective and drama—free alternative to the former president. i'm joined now by our north american political correspondent, anthony zurcher. thank you so much forjoining us on the programme. what will ron desantis�*s pitch b to the american people? i desantis's pitch b to the american eo - le? ., desantis's pitch b to the american --eole? ., , , . desantis's pitch b to the american ..eole? ~' , , . ., people? i think his pitch at least two republican _ people? i think his pitch at least two republican voters _ people? i think his pitch at least two republican voters right - people? i think his pitch at least two republican voters right now| people? i think his pitch at least i two republican voters right now is that he is a conservative politician who has produced results. he is going to point to his legislative record over the past five years as governor of florida, loosening gun regulations, cracking down on what he views as voting irregularities, limiting the teaching of sexual identity and gender identity in public schools and also fighting liberalism in the colleges in florida and say, these are the battles that are important to conservative voters and i have
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achieved victory in them, and that of the contract with donald trump, who while he was president had some notable achievements but at least legislatively, getting new laws passed that moved cultural issues forward, he has a pretty light resume. ., ., ., ., , resume. you wrote a really interesting _ resume. you wrote a really interesting article - resume. you wrote a really interesting article that, - resume. you wrote a reallyj interesting article that, can resume. you wrote a really - interesting article that, can this and really beat donald trump any 2024 republican race, so can he? he can. i 2024 republican race, so can he? he: can. i think people were a lot more optimistic about his chances last november, after he won reelection in photo by 19 percentage points. that is a huge win in a state that normally the state—wide contests are decided byjust a few percentage points. he was actually leading donald trump in polls, certainly net and next. donald trump was at a low and next. donald trump was at a low and as the senate candidacy had endorsed in those midterm elections, they had lost, but over the months than donald trump has been building momentum. he has gone on the attack
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against ron desantis. he has also been indicted, been under sharp criticism, and that has at a rally the flag affect for republican voters. donald trump has a solid base in the republican party of at least 30%. he's the real deal to them and it is going to be very difficult for ron desantis to peel off for those voters, so he is got to try to make the case to softer donald trump supporters. the way he is try to do that is to say, donald trump is a loser, he lost in 2020, his candidates lost in 2022, but the reality is a lot of those republican voters don't think donald trump lost in 2020, so it is a challenging pitch for him to make. descendents is good at a lot of money. he is going to have to hundred million dollars to run this campaign, so he can certain have the platform to make his case against donald trump, but making his case as the saner, more controlled version of donald trump, while the real deal is there for voters to get, that will be a challenge. he for voters to get, that will be a challenge-—
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ivy league educated politician, but he is also a veteran, he served in the navy. do you think this will go down well with trump voters if at the end of the day it is the candidate that will face president joe biden? i candidate that will face president joe biden? ., , candidate that will face president joe biden? ~' , ., , joe biden? i think he definitely has a kind of resume _ joe biden? i think he definitely has a kind of resume that _ joe biden? i think he definitely has a kind of resume that looks - a kind of resume that looks really good. usually, governors, people who have executive experience, do well in primaries compared to senators and the like, the military service background is really strong, he has a record in congress as well. it will be interesting to see if he can make headway with donald trump's voters with his resume, but you've got to remember donald trump had a very different kind of a resume coming in, and he had these personal issues in his background of allegations of sexual harassment, sexual assault, allegations of sexual harassment, sexualassault, he allegations of sexual harassment, sexual assault, he had his record as a businessman some people called into question. none of that mattered into question. none of that mattered in 2016. it was donald trump's personality, dumb from the showman, that convince voters to come to his side. often something interesting is
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the way donald trump has been attacking ron desantis so far. he is attacking ron desantis so far. he is attacking him essentially from his left. he is processing ron desantis as wanting to cut social security, retirement programmes for the elderly, the health care programmes for the elderly, saying that he voted or supports raising taxes. all of these things are an interesting strategy by donald trump, so while ron desantis is the big cultural boyar and is leaning into these hot button conservative cultural issues, donald trump is here sniping at him from a different kind of an angle. it will be interesting to see how republican voters react to this. we have over 500 days. i am sure we are going to hear quite a lot of that, anthony, i want to turn to disney, because republicans traditionally are pro—business, and he led $1 billion off the table walk away and go back to california about this centre of this complex that they were supposed to build in florida. tell us a little bit about what happened with disney. the feud
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started when — happened with disney. the feud started when disney _ happened with disney. the feud started when disney about - happened with disney. the feud started when disney about a - happened with disney. the feud l started when disney about a year happened with disney. the feud - started when disney about a year ago executives evoked out against ron desantis's bill that limited how desa ntis's bill that limited how public desantis's bill that limited how public school teachers go talk about gender identity and sexuality in the classrooms as i mentioned before. there were a lot of employees at the disney company were very trickle of that bill and they were calling on their leadership in the company to speak out against it. eventually the ceo did and then ron desantis went about trying to punish disney for it, essentially. they took away the ability of disney to self govern in central florida, on their walt disney world theme park, disney try to work around that, change the rules before that official change, the authority was taken away for so ron desantis had the legislature counteracts that. ned now has been mired down in the courts, with both sides waging lawsuits against the other to try and have this kind of control taken away from disney. i
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mean, it is interesting. i wasjust down in florida, in orlando, last week reporting this story and talking to businessmen who feel like they have done work with disney and if you like they are being punished and they are being targeted for punishmentjust because of what disney is doing. i've talked about some buzzes our who feel that ron desantis has gone too far, but there is a calculation ron desantis is making here. he is cackling that were public and primary voters care more about social issues, cultural issues, than they care about these traditional republican business issues helping out corporations and having a family business environment, and there are some indications he might be on firm ground here, that republican voters do care more about cultural issues than they care about supporting big business, but that definitely represents a shift in the republican party, it shift that obviously started with donald trump in 2016.
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0k, anthony, but if he does get the nod to be the republican candidate, how is this conservative, his conservative priorities, going to play out with democrats? that is auoin to play out with democrats? that is going to be _ play out with democrats? that is going to be the _ play out with democrats? that is going to be the challenge, - play out with democrats? that is going to be the challenge, not i play out with democrats? that is i going to be the challenge, notjust democrats but swing voters, moderate voters, independent voters in places like pennsylvania, georgia, arizona and michigan. these are the places where the presidential campaign in the fall will be decided. and that may be a challenge for ron desantis, and i did talk to some people who were very concerned, some republicans who were concerned, that he's going too far on these cultural issues, particular abortion. he's going too far on these cultural issues, particularabortion. he issues, particular abortion. he signed issues, particularabortion. he signed a law that banned abortion after six weeks in the state of florida. all he is not touting that as much as he touts the going after transgender rights, going after liberalism and education, it is something he has his name attached to and it is an issue, abortion, that democrats see is a real vulnerability for republicans. if
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you like the reason they did better than expected at last year's midterm elections was because of the abortion issue and a feel like they can go on the attack again and they already are going on the attack now, trying to hit ron desantis and donald trump and all the republicans on abortion because they feel like they have the majority on their side here and this is the kind of wedge issue that they can use to win over voters. �* ., , , ., ., voters. anthony, before we go, i want to get _ voters. anthony, before we go, i want to get a _ voters. anthony, before we go, i want to get a sense _ voters. anthony, before we go, i want to get a sense from - voters. anthony, before we go, i want to get a sense from you - voters. anthony, before we go, i want to get a sense from you ofl voters. anthony, before we go, i - want to get a sense from you of how voters are feeling in florida, what are their feelings on the ground, both democrats as well as republicans, about desantis entering the race? i’ee republicans, about desantis entering the race? �* , ., ., ., ., ., the race? i've been to florida a lot over the past _ the race? i've been to florida a lot over the past few _ the race? i've been to florida a lot over the past few years _ the race? i've been to florida a lot over the past few years and - the race? i've been to florida a lot over the past few years and when l the race? i've been to florida a lotj over the past few years and when i talk to republicans, a lot of them came into politics, got energised, because of donald trump. they also like ron desantis. they think he has been a good governor that helped deliver this massive reelection victory to him last november. but they kind of want ron desantis to stay governor. he is only 44 years
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old. if you like you should wait his turn and —— they can occasionally his turn. florida used to be a swing state on the razors edge, ron desantis when he won the governorship person 2018 won by a fraction of a percent against his democratic opponent. of course everyone rumours al gore and george bush, florida being the deciding state in that 2000 presidential election, and that was decided by a few hundred votes, so does seem like florida is becoming more conservative, that the hispanic vote there is becoming more conservative, that overall republicans have the upper hand in that state in the way that they have not in the past, and that they have not in the past, and that in large part is due to both donald trump and ron desantis, so i think by and large ron desantis is popular in florida, but there may not be quite the same enthusiasm for him as there is for donald trump to be quite honest in the presidential election. �* ., , . be quite honest in the presidential election. . ., election. anthony zurcher, you are auoin to election. anthony zurcher, you are going to be — election. anthony zurcher, you are going to be a _ election. anthony zurcher, you are going to be a very _ election. anthony zurcher, you are going to be a very busy _ election. anthony zurcher, you are going to be a very busy man -
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election. anthony zurcher, you are going to be a very busy man over. election. anthony zurcher, you are i going to be a very busy man over the next year and a half and i cannot wait to have you back on the programme! again, that article that anthony wrote, if you want to check it out on our website, "can ron desantis really beat donald trump in the 20 to know for a and race?" go check that out. —— in the 2024 republican race? 0ur reporter simi jolaoso has been looking at the career of ron desantis. take a look at this. ron desantis is a yale and harvard law graduate who served in the navy, then later in the house of representatives, before becoming governor of florida in 2019. he is viewed as the candidate most likely to face former president donald trump in a head—to—head race for the republican presidential ticket. his rise to prominence within the republican party is largely based on his enthusiasm for conservatism, starting with the covid—19 pandemic, during which he lifted lockdowns on schools and businesses earlier than other states.
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he is also known for a number of controversial laws he's signed because he believes that the state of florida is where woke goes to die. we will never, ever surrender to the woke mob. florida is where woke goes to die. he has signed bills loosening gun ownership restrictions, banning abortion after six weeks, curbing lgbtq+ rights, like the parental rights in education act, also known as the don't say gay bill. we chose facts over fear. we chose education over indoctrination. this bill restricts what public school teachers can say about sexual orientation and gender identity. the bill was criticised by disney's ceo and has since led to a very public fight between the company and the governor. so can he become the 2024 republican presidential candidate and can he bring success to the party? well, governor desantis has long been regarded as a top rival of trump,
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and he's a pretty strong contender, considering the fact that just six months ago, he had an overwhelming re—election victory, which shows he's pretty in tune with his party's core supporters. but whether that state victory will translate nationwide, well, we'lljust have to wait and see. that is simijolaoso that is simi jolaoso there. i am joined by two time spokesperson and political adviser rena shaw. this is quite a day. we had been anticipating this announcements to be made for quite some time, so what can you tell us about ron desantis, the politician whose career, and what we can see on the campaign trail? ~ .,, what we can see on the campaign trail? ~.,, ., ., , , , what we can see on the campaign trail? ., ., , , , ,':,': what we can see on the campaign trail? most notably he is 33 years ounuer trail? most notably he is 33 years younger than _ trail? most notably he is 33 years younger than former _ trail? most notably he is 33 years younger than former president i trail? most notably he is 33 years i younger than former president trump. and that does not get talked about enough, in fact these on the 44 is
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really striking to me. that represent a only generation of republican leadership. look, he was in the us house of representatives before he came on as governor of florida. during the pandemic era, we had the harshest restrictions around the us, there were many republican moderates, even, praising governor desantis for his leadership in florida, and since then he has enjoyed a warm reception in places like illinois, iowa, southern california, and so there is going to be a lot of talk about who the man is, what the personality is, what his track record is, even, legislatively, but i think we ought to seek the position using right now, and it is that of an underdog and i really like that position for him because there is only up go for here for now. in him because there is only up go for here for now— here for now. in terms of the post, and we are — here for now. in terms of the post, and we are quite _ here for now. in terms of the post, and we are quite a _ here for now. in terms of the post, and we are quite a way _ here for now. in terms of the post, and we are quite a way away i here for now. in terms of the post, and we are quite a way away from. here for now. in terms of the post, i and we are quite a way away from the actual us presidential election, donald trump is a hard man to be, so what will they take for ron desantis
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to edge in and try to break into that field and be competitive against donald trump? sure. former president trump _ against donald trump? sure. former president trump has _ against donald trump? sure. former president trump has been _ against donald trump? sure. former president trump has been called i president trump has been called teflon don for many years now because it seems that he still enjoys great support from today's a publican party, writ large, but that is not entirely true. that is always said, but when you look at these midterms from just this past year, we got the empirical evidence that trump is essentially the kiss of death for candidates. we are talking but congressional races. so many of his hand—picked candidates, those he endorsed out of mega world, trump world, whatever you call it, they want to lose any primaries because they were so extreme. there is this whole crop of republicans out there that really wants anyone but trump, because the maga faction is quite smart. it is the after trumper to hold the power, that people who mebude who voted for trump in 2016
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as well as in 2020 but one some of else now and are frustrated with the biden administration. and desantis has a real opportunity to snag their votes as time goes on for we are still very early out, so i don't think there's any good reliable polling about where he stands ability republican electorate, overall. , . , overall. -- stands with the republican _ overall. -- stands with the republican electorate. i overall. -- stands with the republican electorate. he| overall. -- stands with the | republican electorate. he is overall. -- stands with the i republican electorate. he is not overall. -- stands with the - republican electorate. he is not the only republican who has entered the race, so tell us a little bit about who we heard from this week. yeah, ron desantis — who we heard from this week. yeah, ron desantis has _ who we heard from this week. yeah, ron desantis has certainly _ who we heard from this week. yeah, ron desantis has certainly been i who we heard from this week. yeah, ron desantis has certainly been the| ron desantis has certainly been the big name talked about, but we forget that there are often many conversations being had about the other has—beens, former governor of newjersey chris christie, former vice president mike pence and of course there are also other governors, former... sorry, current new hampshire governor chris sununu as well as former governor asa hutchinson of arkansas, and then let us look at who is in the race
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already and that is former governor of succulent and former un ambassador under trump, of succulent and former un ambassador undertrump, nikki of succulent and former un ambassador under trump, nikki haley, a businessman. they are so far the tree in and dissented today having formally filed to be in, this is going to get to be a more crowded race and then, oh, iforgot, senator tim scott of succulent as well has —— of south carolina has entered the race. i call it the revenge of the moderates, because everyone is trained to out moderate each other. they want to be a more palatable option to trump but again i think that voters in republican electorate are looking for trump light and that is what i believe desantis brings to the table. i is what i believe desantis brings to the table. ., . is what i believe desantis brings to the table. ~' ., ., ., ., , is what i believe desantis brings to thetable. ~' ., ., ., ., , �* the table. i like that analogy. but isn't there something _ the table. i like that analogy. but isn't there something to - the table. i like that analogy. but isn't there something to be i the table. i like that analogy. but isn't there something to be said i isn't there something to be said about all these moderate publicans entering the field? is that something that a lot of republicans may be deep in their hearts are looking for? i may be deep in their hearts are looking for?— looking for? i was part of an auto -s looking for? i was part of an autopsy report _ looking for? i was part of an autopsy report famously i looking for? i was part of an autopsy report famously in i
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looking for? i was part of an i autopsy report famously in 2012 looking for? i was part of an - autopsy report famously in 2012 that talk about what the republican national committee had done wrong. that era has, my gosh, it is already over. we fast—forwa rd that era has, my gosh, it is already over. we fast—forward to where we stand now, candidates tell the republican national committee what to do, not the other way around this crowded field is something that many strategists like me had born again. is been talked about many times and many ways. we're looking for another crowded primary field. i would say many of these people you see hopping in, namely haley, even scott to some extent, they are thinking about their legacy full of they understand that the error of republican politics was turned upside down by trump, who is not even really a conservative, and speaking of ron desantis for a moment, ron desantis is far more conservative than donald trump. what we see him doing right now are some really right—wing actions in order try and peel off the margott universe of voters, but he knows historically every us president comes from the sender to
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govern —— comes to the centre. the lickle strategy is let him go far right and that slocum to the centre and try to court those all—important independent voters in the swing states as we lead up to the general election of 2024. has changed his life. lets a ron desantis is the pick but i want to get your opinion about this as well, if ron desantis will face presidentjoe biden and the presidential election, how is he going to find that balance with democrats because he is going to be touting why you should be president to be based on his conservative priorities. he to be based on his conservative riorities. , ., , to be based on his conservative priorities-— priorities. he is really going to have to do _ priorities. he is really going to have to do a — priorities. he is really going to have to do a 180. _ priorities. he is really going to have to do a 180. ron - priorities. he is really going to| have to do a 180. ron desantis cannot be the ron desantis ron desa ntis he ron desantis he is today, he is running a republican primary nested certain parts of that electorate. we talked about in general, you need somebody�*s going to be able to unite, someone was going to appeal
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to a suburban mother who was educated, not someone who is liking a lot of what republicans are doing across america when it comes to abortion. so, today's republican party really stands to gain but i'm not entirely sure that ron desantis to be that person. just make the choice that's going to be a 180 for who he is campaigning yesterday. i believe he is the stamina and the ideas and people think he has no charisma. i've been part of many a campaign in which you talk about personality, he can evolve. you can peel off biden at the end of the day if it isjoe biden versus ron desantis, i do see many voters saying that ron desantis is the better option, though he may be left of centre. i5 better option, though he may be left of centre. , ., ., . ., of centre. is announcement on twitter, this — of centre. is announcement on
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twitter, this is _ of centre. is announcement on twitter, this is not _ of centre. is announcement on twitter, this is not your - of centre. is announcement on twitter, this is not your usuall twitter, this is not your usual place, it's usually prime time at all the cable networks across the us what do you make of them choosing the social media platform over traditional options? rah the social media platform over traditional options? ron desantis critics are saying _ traditional options? ron desantis critics are saying he _ traditional options? ron desantis critics are saying he is _ traditional options? ron desantis| critics are saying he is announcing an audio only format on twitter spaces. because he is not likeable in person elects charisma or personality. it's a been the criticisms, but i think this is quite good but is taking such a unique opportunity to announce his presidential run and use point to be doing that with elon musk and elon musk is a controversial figure doing that with elon musk and elon musk is a controversialfigure in american public life, no doubt. but it's very much bluffed on the right. and ron desantis is taking his message to the people and is realising that a lot of conservatives live on twitter these days. and it's also not true that all americans of the twitter
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account, but it is a moderate different format that shows he is keeping with the times and he may not be showing his face, but media has enough pictures and they will get all the audio snippets of two nights announcement and i really quite like these doing be getting this unique format.— this unique format. some of the critical saying — this unique format. some of the critical saying the _ this unique format. some of the critical saying the reason - this unique format. some of the critical saying the reason why i this unique format. some of the i critical saying the reason why he's doing audio format only is because he is not quite as charismatic as some people feel donald trump is. he was injapan not too long ago trying to paint this image of being a statesman and it didn't quite go off. so in the profession, some as a spokesperson, what advice would you give them at this stage as he embarks on this new campaign crescendo my advice to be policy related versus messaging because, the bigger issue is that he is fighting with disney. stable the bigger issue is that he is fighting with disney. able left american company _ fighting with disney. able left american company that i fighting with disney. able left i american company that creates jobs in the state of florida and is
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continuing to continue this nonsense go fight and it's like he has a bone to pick, like he has a grudge against disney and is a tit—for—tat at this point it does not look good for him. bigger than the five of this image goes against conventional republican wisdom of letting corporations to what they need to do, keep this out of it, i think the bigger issue is the six week abortion ban. that was quite jarring for me and he signed it in the dead of night without any sort of fanfare did not want any cameras to capture that and he is known to be supportive of a potential bill in the florida legislature that would ban bloggers from bad—mouthing government officials in florida. so, free speech and abortion, i think they'll be on the ballot in 2024 thatis they'll be on the ballot in 2024 that is a big one for him. nothing policy wise, he has to be really careful right now because he cannot message his way out of a policy debacle and especially when he puts one on top of the other like he seems to of been. i’m
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one on top of the other like he seems to of been.— one on top of the other like he seems to of been. i'm curious as to seems to of been. i'm curious as to see when people — seems to of been. i'm curious as to see when people do _ seems to of been. i'm curious as to see when people do enter- seems to of been. i'm curious as to see when people do enter the i seems to of been. i'm curious as to j see when people do enter the race, it seems they enter more earlier than they used to. why did they decide that this is the moment? it’s decide that this is the moment? it's hard to decide that this is the moment? it�*s hard to decide when they choose to pick. some make it personal and going to a and other times, they want to line up with something in their life. tie into something like a special date, for example. it is rare that advisers really go out on this would save you have to do it at this would save you have to do it at this time because we live in this era of technological connectivity. we are far more connected to the ballot box than we ever have been at the next campaigns for more challenging. actually think is coming out announcing far too early. i think he should've waited a while. american politics as money talks and you need a lot of it to run a race for this long. and rhonda santos
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seems to have quite a full coffer already especially compared to donald trump —— ron desantis. it is donald trump -- ron desantis. it is all about who's _ donald trump —— ron desantis. it 3 all about who's going to run out of money first. and that is a big challenge because we all know money drives the date for american politics. as citizens united decision here that means money really talks here. when you see donald trump making investments, the political action committee that supports donald trump, making investments in fighting back against ron desantis messaging. you wonder how long will this money keep reappearing for certain candidates to do whatever they wish with it. ron desantis's war chest will help him but it's always a challenge because look at was jumping in. other people for going to take from traditional gop donors that would've supported ron desantis or haley are currently doing so. there are
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crowded primary fields that makes it very hard for these candidates who are not donald trump because donald trump has that incumbency on the side, his super pack is continuing to get money even while he's been out of office. so, he has the leg up the gop primary and very worried for ron desantis because i do think he has the best shot of taking a donald trump. it's a question was going to run out of money first. i trump. it's a question was going to run out of money first.— run out of money first. i have to interrupt. _ run out of money first. i have to interrupt. i— run out of money first. i have to interrupt, i think _ run out of money first. i have to interrupt, i think the _ run out of money first. i have to interrupt, i think the big - interrupt, i think the big announcement we've been waiting for is now about to be on twitter. thank you very much forjoining us. we understand that ron desantis is now, it's all about technical issues. she is not connecting to twitter we are going to expect the hear is announcement soon we are now starting to see it. irate
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announcement soon we are now starting to see it.— announcement soon we are now starting to see it. we are melting the servers. _ starting to see it. we are melting the servers, which _ starting to see it. we are melting the servers, which is _ starting to see it. we are melting the servers, which is a _ starting to see it. we are melting the servers, which is a good i starting to see it. we are melting| the servers, which is a good sign. starting to see it. we are melting i the servers, which is a good sign. i would like to introduce the folks in the room here and it is safe to say, the room here and it is safe to say, the man next to me, elon musk, his decision to purchase his platform last year and restored to its original mission as a beacon for free speech and expose the past duplicity with the government censorship regime might�*ve suppressed many but not those who have known. elite institutions and corporate media, go ahead and send. what i saw how you responded to the covid-i9 _ what i saw how you responded to the covid—19 pandemic and refuse to believe — covid—19 pandemic and refuse to believe that we now know to be the many _ believe that we now know to be the many falsehoods that government experts _ many falsehoods that government experts and media mouthpieces feeding — experts and media mouthpieces feeding us. kept florida schools open _ feeding us. kept florida schools open and — feeding us. kept florida schools open and the economy thriving on my
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state of— open and the economy thriving on my state of california chose two years of learning — state of california chose two years of learning laws and locked we have yet to _ of learning laws and locked we have yet to fully — of learning laws and locked we have yet to fully recover. it was a bear difficulties every getting an introduction to ron desantis and they are touting some of his conservative priorities as well as a sampling of covid—19 and waiting for them to reconnect and this well anticipated announcement from ron desantis which in the us presidential election and paul's already showing that this election is still a year and a half away. however, polls are showing that former president donald trump still is a sizeable lead.

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