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live from london. this is bbc news. net migration to the uk reaches record levels, hitting more than 600,000 in 2022. after a storm of racist abuse against real madrid's vinicius junior, the president of spain's la liga says eliminating racism will never be possible. translation: eliminating this roblem translation: eliminating this problem 100% _ translation: eliminating this problem 100% will _ translation: eliminating this problem 100% will never - translation: eliminating this problem 10096 will never be . translation: eliminating this - problem 10096 will never be possible, problem 100% will never be possible, in the same way that eradicating robberies will never be possible. florida's republican governor — launches his 2024 presidential bid in an announcement overshadowed by technical glitches. with desantis trailng
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donald trump in the early polls, we'll break down the numbers with veteran american pollster, frank lu ntz. # i'm your private dancer, i'll do what you want me to do... and an avalanche of tributes — to the music legend tina turner. hello, welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them. net migration to the uk reached record levels last year — with 606,000 people added to the population. the numbers were boosted by the arrival of hundreds of thousands of international students, and skilled workers, including more than 200,000 nurses and carers. the prime minister, rishi sunak, has said net migration is too high and he wants to bring
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the numbers down. in a moment — we'll get more from our political correspondent — jonathan blake — but first let's speak to our head of data — robert cuffe. and robert is in the newsroom. the main number is 600,000 people coming through and the main reasons why we are seeing such a large number is people coming to the uk from outside the eu, migration within the eu is actually not that substantial, and i can show you that now. the green line is the number of people adding to the uk population from outside the eu and that is accounting for more than 600,000, more than the total net migration into the uk, and if you look at the blue line, people from the eu, or people from the eu left the uk last year and came in —— more people. so what is driving it is migration from outside the eu and it is clear that study and work are top of the list
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for the reasons. they are accounting for the reasons. they are accounting for about 600,000 people coming to the uk and after that you have people coming for exceptional circumstances like ukraine and the special british national overseas programme for people from hong kong. these are the reasons why people are coming. we these are the reasons why people are comina.~ . , these are the reasons why people are cominl. ., , ., these are the reasons why people are comina.~ . ., , coming. we always look for trends, has this peaked _ coming. we always look for trends, has this peaked in _ coming. we always look for trends, has this peaked in terms _ coming. we always look for trends, has this peaked in terms of- coming. we always look for trends, has this peaked in terms of the - has this peaked in terms of the headline number?— headline number? there are suggestions _ headline number? there are suggestions the _ headline number? there are suggestions the numbers . headline number? there are| suggestions the numbers are headline number? there are - suggestions the numbers are coming down and if you look at the reasons, you can work out why, the blue line that there is what the reasons for people coming work the year before, and what has done a lot of the rising is in the middle, people coming from ukraine under the dash and under the dash from
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—— people coming from ukraine and under the bno scheme. not many people come to study and stay for ever. even if the government did nothing at all we would still probably see the numbers coming down and they are doing something, they are trying to bear down on asylum seekers and also people bring their families with them when they come to study so that might have an impact on the numbers. the question for them politically is whether that will have an effect in the next couple of years before the next election. ., ., ., _ ., election. you mention asylum and there are large — election. you mention asylum and there are large numbers— election. you mention asylum and there are large numbers in - election. you mention asylum and there are large numbers in terms| election. you mention asylum and i there are large numbers in terms of there are large numbers in terms of the backlog of cases? yes. there are large numbers in terms of the backlog of cases?— the backlog of cases? yes. the number of _ the backlog of cases? yes. the number of asylum _ the backlog of cases? yes. the number of asylum seekers - the backlog of cases? yes. the number of asylum seekers is l the backlog of cases? yes. the i number of asylum seekers is not making a huge difference in terms of the overall picture of migration, it is about 80,000 out of a million people coming to the uk overall last year, so it is not changing the population but it is putting real pressure on the home office and we can see that when we look at the number of people waiting for their
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asylum claim to be processed. it has been rising sharply and now it has reached a level of nearly 175,000 people waiting for their claim to be processed, to be accepted or rejected, and about 120,000 of those have been waiting for more than six months. this rise is very steep over the last few years and it is may be starting to ease off, they are may be making some headway, but it is not clear whether that is because of the increase in staff numbers, which has nearly doubled, or whether it is changing how they process so not chasing so hard after someone who is not contactable. it is not clear whether that is a productivity gain or taking the easy route. we will see whether there are any long—term falls. see whether there are any long-term falls. ., , ., see whether there are any long-term falls. .,, ., ., see whether there are any long-term falls. ., ., ., falls. robert, thanks for “oining us. as promised — let's go live to westminster — and our political correspondent — jonathan blake. talk us through the raw politics put up talk us through the raw politics put up the government knew the number was coming and it was going to be
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high and maybe not as high as some of the estimates suggested but this record number of people coming to the uk, once you have subtracted those who have left in the year january to december 2022, will increase the pressure on rishi sunak and his government to bring overall levels of migration down. something the prime minister this morning said that he wanted to do and there are some anomalies, unusual circumstances, the world opening up, international travel, after the covid pandemic, maybe accounting for some of the higher levels of people coming from outside the eu, but also ukraine and hong kong and people coming from those countries for humanitarian reasons. when it boils down to it, this government as many previous ones have so, they want to bring down the overall level of migration, and broadly speaking it
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has got gone up. rishi sunak is undoubtedly under pressure and many mps from his own party and have it set the numbers are unsustainably high so they will be looking for the government to go further than they have already with the attempt to limit the number of students and their dependents coming to the uk, and for labour, it is an interesting challenge, they seized on the figures, criticising the government, saying it was proof they do not have a grip and a plan, to get migration to the uk under control, but the labour party with its eye on the next general election and hoping to win power is treading a tricky line as well. the labour leader keir starmer has talked about the uk relying less on migration but reluctant it seems to talk in hard terms about figures and whether they should be coming down.— should be coming down. jonathan blake, should be coming down. jonathan blake. thanks _ should be coming down. jonathan blake, thanks for— should be coming down. jonathan blake, thanks forjoining - should be coming down. jonathan blake, thanks forjoining us. -
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should be coming down. jonathan blake, thanks forjoining us. we l blake, thanks forjoining us. we will talk to yvette cooper in the next couple of hours. plenty more reaction to those basic numbers that have been released earlier in the day. technical glitches have marred the long—awaited declaration by the florida governor, ron desantis, that he's seeking the republican nomination for next year's us presidential election. a conversation with twitter�*s billionaire owner elon musk — to kick off his campaign — was delayed when the platform's livestream malfunctioned. by the time the broadcast got underway in earnest, hundreds of thousands of twitter users had given up. elon is sitting next to me and we want to welcome you to this historic twitter spaces event and more broadly a first in the history of social media. tonight i'm pleased to introduce to you two individuals who've done more to... audio cuts out all right. sorry about that. we've got so many people here that i think we are kind
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of melting the server. there's 382,000 people on. all right, great. _ so, let's see. just keeps crashing. live now to frank luntz, american political consultant and pollster. thanks forjoining us. as a launch that was pretty embarrassing with all of those glitches? i that was pretty embarrassing with all of those glitches?— all of those glitches? i have heard --eole all of those glitches? i have heard peeple say — all of those glitches? i have heard peeple say since _ all of those glitches? i have heard people say since the _ all of those glitches? i have heard people say since the launch - all of those glitches? i have heard people say since the launch that l all of those glitches? i have heard people say since the launch that if you cannot get your campaign right, how can you get your election right? the fact that so many people had tuned in, that was a plus for the governor of florida, but the other fact that so many people could not actually watch it was an embarrassment, and that is not the way you want to start the campaign. 0n way you want to start the campaign. on twitter you made the point that apart from the embarrassment, in terms of hard cash, which is so important when it comes to these campaigns, he raised $1 million in
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the first hour, so i suppose once the first hour, so i suppose once the embarrassment fades, things like that become more important? yes. that become more important? yes, imortant that become more important? yes, important and _ that become more important? yes, important and vital, _ that become more important? yes, important and vital, and _ that become more important? yes, important and vital, and i _ that become more important? ye: important and vital, and i cannot imagine a single voter changing their point of view because of the failure, but you get a couple of opportunities to control your campaign, the day you launch annual convention speech, and in one of those ron desantis, it is problematic, he is the number two candidate in the republicans right now according to every survey. he is the only one who is even within striking distance of donald trump, though. but he did not want to get started this way.— started this way. donald trump makin: started this way. donald trump making hay _ started this way. donald trump making hay with _ started this way. donald trump making hay with all _ started this way. donald trump making hay with all of - started this way. donald trump making hay with all of this - started this way. donald trump i making hay with all of this already but in terms of the basic pitch, he has donald trump policies without the drama, how much traction is that likely to have? it is the drama, how much traction is that likely to have?— likely to have? it is significant but he has — likely to have? it is significant but he has also _ likely to have? it is significant but he has also done - likely to have? it is significant but he has also done a - likely to have? it is significant. but he has also done a strategy which i'm not sure about which is to focus on conservative media and only
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conservative media so if you are reading the new york times you do not get time with governor ron desantis, it is a strategy designed to win the republican primary but also a strategy that will be problematic in the autumn and this is what is happening right now to the republican body, they are moving further and further to the donald trump wing of the party and further and further away from the centre of american politics. you and further away from the centre of american politics.— american politics. you talk to voters all _ american politics. you talk to voters all of _ american politics. you talk to voters all of the _ american politics. you talk to voters all of the time, - american politics. you talk to voters all of the time, so - american politics. you talk to | voters all of the time, so give american politics. you talk to - voters all of the time, so give me a sense of what they make of the package in terms of policies but also areas of perceived weakness and also areas of perceived weakness and a lack of charisma and a lack of collectability?— a lack of charisma and a lack of collectabili ? ., , ., ., , , ., ,, collectability? voters do not speak about that because they do - collectability? voters do not speak about that because they do not. collectability? voters do not speak. about that because they do not know him well enough to say that, that is the political elite, those of the insiders. voters look at what he has donein insiders. voters look at what he has done in florida and they say, way to 90, done in florida and they say, way to go, and the fact his record is a strong as any candidate who has run for the republican nomination in the last 20 years, but conversely, iowa,
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new hampshire, the states that matter most, they endorse retail politics and retail politicians and thatis politics and retail politicians and that is not ron desantis a's strength. tim scott also announces candidature, and that is good news for donald trump because the more candidates run, the more that splits the vote against donald trump, the easier that his 40% will take him to victory. easier that his 4096 will take him to victo . ., ., ., ., victory. you mentioned that donald trum has victory. you mentioned that donald trump has a _ victory. you mentioned that donald trump has a big — victory. you mentioned that donald trump has a big lead _ victory. you mentioned that donald trump has a big lead in _ victory. you mentioned that donald trump has a big lead in terms - victory. you mentioned that donald trump has a big lead in terms of. trump has a big lead in terms of voters when it comes to the nomination, given the legaljeopardy and the legal cases, can you see any sort of path that gets ron desantis there? . .., sort of path that gets ron desantis there? , , , , there? yes, i can, because these leral there? yes, i can, because these legal issues _ there? yes, i can, because these legal issues with _ there? yes, i can, because these legal issues with donald - there? yes, i can, because these legal issues with donald trump i there? yes, i can, because these i legal issues with donald trump have not stopped and they have anyjust started. the woman who challenged donald trump and he was found guilty of sexual assault, she is suing him
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again because he attacked her again. donald trump does not have control of his own message and his own behaviour, and he simply reacts and if he continues to make mistakes, that makes it viable for any other candidate, but i want to emphasise, right now donald trump has a significant lead and write out the last time that somebody has a lead like that and lost the nomination, i can't think of any, back to 2016, when hillary clinton won the nomination and still lost the election. ., ., , , nomination and still lost the election. ., ., , election. that of course is about caettin election. that of course is about getting the _ election. that of course is about getting the republican - election. that of course is about i getting the republican nomination. a final question, who between ron desantis and donald trump has the best chance of beating joe biden when it comes down to the actual election? irate when it comes down to the actual election? ~ ., ., ., election? we are going to acknowledge _ election? we are going to acknowledge that - election? we are going to acknowledge that donald | election? we are going to i acknowledge that donald trump election? we are going to - acknowledge that donald trump is election? we are going to _ acknowledge that donald trump is up by about 5—7 points, after all of his legal issues, but in the end who is more likely to appeal to the
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swing voters, those who are undecided? definitely ron desantis rather than donald trump. donald trump is leading right now but when the chips are down ron desantis would probably make a better candidate and i think ron desantis would make a better general election candidate againstjoe biden. bier? candidate against joe biden. very interestin: candidate against joe biden. very interesting to hear— candidate againstjoe biden. very interesting to hear you articulate that so clearly and maybe we will talk again in the coming months. thanks forjoining us. the head of la liga in spain has said racism can never be eliminated. javier tebas was speaking to the bbc after the real madrid forward viniciuer was the target of abuse at valencia on sunday. mr tebas said he believed racist insults could be driven out of the country's stadiums within months, but the league would need greater powers. three valencia fans were arrested after the incident at the weekend. their club stadium has been
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partially closed for five games as punishment. the bbc�*s guy hedgecoe sat down with mr tebas for an interview and asked him if he was frustrated with his organisation's perceived lack of power to act. take a listen. translation: we think we have the owers we translation: we think we have the powers we could _ translation: we think we have the powers we could get _ translation: we think we have the powers we could get rid _ translation: we think we have the powers we could get rid of _ translation: we think we have the powers we could get rid of it - powers we could get rid of it generally, especially in terms of vinicius, but if we do not have the powers we can only file complaints and that is what we have done. hogs and that is what we have done. how lona will it and that is what we have done. how long will it take _ and that is what we have done. how long will it take to _ and that is what we have done. how long will it take to eradicate racism in spanish football if la liga was given the powers that you would like it to have and if the institutions of spain acted in a way you would like them to act? translation:— you would like them to act? translation: eliminating this roblem translation: eliminating this problem 100% _ translation: eliminating this problem 10096 will _ translation: eliminating this problem 10096 will never i translation: eliminating this problem 10096 will never be i translation: eliminating this - problem 10096 will never be possible, problem 100% will never be possible, the same way that totally
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eliminating robberies and other crimes is not possible but we would reduce it a great deal and if we were given the necessary powers, in six months we could say that we do not have racism. the news conference is still going on with the head of la liga and those comments are significant, what hejust those comments are significant, what he just told the bbc and it will frustrate many in terms of saying that it cannot be wiped out unless they get greater powers. we will continue to monitor what is being said and i'm sure there will be more reaction. you are watching bbc news. let's look at some of the stories making news across the uk. an investigation has found that young people with complex mental health needs, are being put at risk —
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by being placed on general children's wards in england. the report was compiled by government—funded organisation, the healthcare safety investigation branch. nhs england says it has an ongoing programme to improve mental health services for children and young people. landlords have warned that plans to abolish fixed—term tenancies in england would destroy the student housing market. students are typically offered a 12 month fixed—term contract to reflect the academic year — and ensure properties are not left empty outside term—time. under the legislation, fixed—term tenancies would be replaced by rolling contracts. the national residential landlords association said the plans could cause "chaos". researchers have found that plant—based foods are good for the health of the heart. they found vegetarian and vegan diets cut high levels of cholesterol that can eventually cause heart attacks or strokes. you're live with bbc news.
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western intelligence officials and microsoft have warned that a state sponsored chinese hacking group has been spying on critical infrastructure networks across the united states. the us national security agency and its allies say similar activities could be occurring globally. microsoft said that the group, codenamed "volt typhoon", was looking at ways to disrupt critical communications between the us and asia. china's foreign ministry has dismissed the claims, accusing the us of initiating a disinformation campaign. let's talk more about this with our security correspondent gordon corera. take us through the basic planks of what we know that is being alleged? this is a joint advisory from five western nations saying that the hacking group which they say is linked to the chinese state has been carrying out this quite stealthy campaign to hack into infrastructure, things like telecoms
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providers, transportation links, and especially microsoft, saying they also believe that as well as espionage which happens all the time, there is also the possibility, a possibility that there was the intention to be able to disrupt communications, and especially interesting because it singles out the island of guam, a us territory in the pacific, is one place where this took place. the implication is that this is more than just normal espionage, the kind that happens between nations, but the possibility that china was developing some kind of capability to disrupt those communications if there was a crisis over taiwan and it wanted to disrupt the ability of the us to take some kind of action or communicate a response, for example. that is why this is being seen as something slightly more thanjust
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this is being seen as something slightly more than just a normal spying campaign that we do hear about quite frequently and which makes it more interesting but the chinese have labelled this as misinformation and also said it is the us which is an empire of hacking, in its words, and the us carries out espionage against china, it is worth saying. in carries out espionage against china, it is worth saying.— it is worth saying. in terms of consequences, _ it is worth saying. in terms of consequences, what - it is worth saying. in terms of consequences, what do i it is worth saying. in terms of consequences, what do you l it is worth saying. in terms of- consequences, what do you envisage? this is interesting because espionage happens but this has been called out quite publicly which does not always happen. in this case it is because many of the companies that were being hacked where private sector companies, notjust sector companies, not just government organisations, sector companies, notjust government organisations, and therefore the advisory is about giving them details so they can spot and remove any malicious actors on their computer networks so there a reason the western governments have gone public with this —— there is a reason. but it can turn into a
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diplomatic row and we saw this a few months ago with the very high profile chinese balloons which were going over us territory and were alleged to be involved in spying and in that case that did disrupt diplomatic relations and it led to the cancellation of high—level meetings that were due between us and chinese officials. relations have improved in the last few weeks and there have been renewed diplomatic contacts and i do not think this claim about cyber espionage will be that disruptive, because this is most likely to be seen as business as usual by both sides despite the rhetoric you here today. i do not envisage a setback for diplomatic relations from this. gordon, thanks forjoining us. tributes have been paid to the american soul and pop superstar tina turner, who has died at the age of 83. tina turner rose to fame in the 1960s performing with her then husband ike, and went on to find even greater
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success as a solo artist in the 80s. the former us president, barack 0bama, said tina turner was raw, powerful and unstoppable. mariah carey and oprah winfrey praised tina turner as a "survivor" who overcame years of domestic abuse, making heran inspiration to many women. earlier in the year the tina turner musical in london partnered with the domestic violence charity: women's aid. the chief executive farah nazeerjoins me now. thanks forjoining us. tina turner said in 1981 to people magazine, i was insanely afraid of that man. how significant was it that she spoke out about domestic abuse? it significant was it that she spoke out about domestic abuse? it was incredibly significant, _ out about domestic abuse? it was incredibly significant, it _ out about domestic abuse? it was incredibly significant, it was i out about domestic abuse? it was incredibly significant, it was at i out about domestic abuse? it was incredibly significant, it was at a l incredibly significant, it was at a time when women did not speak about these things, it was frowned upon to speak about domestic abuse and acknowledge its existence so for a woman as inspirational as tina turner to actually name it and called it out and say it happened to
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her was a pivotal moment and it allowed other voices to spring up and for society to move on and talk about the crime that is domestic abuse which is do a huge crime against mainly women. —— which is still. it was an incredible moment in the way we perceive the crime and the way survivors feel about it. 0prah the way survivors feel about it. oprah winfrey said at that time people did not talk about abuse and she then cited an example of where she then cited an example of where she had gone to a tina turner concert and sat next to a woman who said she was there to give her strength to leave her partner. those statements, saying it out now, had impact on the lives of real people? absolutely. fora impact on the lives of real people? absolutely. for a woman like tina turner, legendary performer, so it happened to her, and look at her now, i have gone for it, i have sought help, and there is joy now, i have gone for it, i have sought help, and there isjoy in
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survival, she said. the whole expense which can happen after the abusive relationship is left behind, thatis abusive relationship is left behind, that is so inspirational to so many women —— the whole experience which can happen after the abusive relationship. women know it is possible to seek help and leave an abusive relationship because quite often abusive relationships feel like an imprisonment and to see it is possible to leave is incredible and very powerful and motivating. in and very powerful and motivating. in terms of the hook up with the musical, tell me about how that happened and the conversations around it? it happened and the conversations around it? . happened and the conversations around it? , ,., ., around it? it is so telling that tina turner — around it? it is so telling that tina turner during _ around it? it is so telling that tina turner during her i around it? it is so telling that tina turner during her life i around it? it is so telling that i tina turner during her life spoke about the abuse and then supported causes around the abuse and supported domestic abuse services and to raise awareness around domestic abuse and the musical was coming up to its five year anniversary and we had conversations
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about making an awareness campaign around it and making sure that that anniversary marked a moment where people felt strongly about domestic abuse and wanted to contribute and the services remain significantly underfunded, but they could really find a point at which to meet and begin to support the cause and those services. she begin to support the cause and those services. ., begin to support the cause and those services. ,, ., , ., services. she said that she wrote the autobiography _ services. she said that she wrote the autobiography to _ services. she said that she wrote the autobiography to stop i services. she said that she wrote j the autobiography to stop people constantly taking her back to that dark place which is also a difficult issue for survivors, to be constantly asked about something? absolutely. most survivors want to move on and get the help they need and then move on and tina turner chose to continue to speak about it but it was good that she did so on her own terms and in ways which have gone on to really help people and survivors and help awareness of the crime that still exists.—
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crime that still exists. great to talk to you- — crime that still exists. great to talk to you. such _ crime that still exists. great to talk to you. such an _ crime that still exists. great to talk to you. such an important| crime that still exists. great to i talk to you. such an important part of the great tina turner. thanks for joining us. we are going to take a short break and we will be back with more injust a moment. hello there. it's been a quiet week of weather and this quiet, dry weather will continue as we head into the bank holiday weekend. some sunshine for many parts of the country through the rest of today. there are some areas of cloud developing underneath that high pressure and that high pressure is keeping it dry. but around that, the breeze is changing direction and it means northern and eastern areas, maybe a little cooler than yesterday with the highest temperatures focused more towards the southwest, 22 or 23 will be quite pleasant and most places will see the sunshine to end the day. there is a bit more cloud, though, developing in the midlands for a while and also across northern ireland. but some clearer skies will develop in many parts of the country
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overnight and the winds will be light. so it could turn quite chilly first thing on friday morning, particularly across eastern scotland. temperatures not far away from freezing, perhaps. heading into tomorrow, a sunny start for many. we will see cloud coming into the northwest of scotland. a few spots of light rain or drizzle here and the cloud will build up inland across many other parts and spread out a bit. across the far south of england and through the english channel it may well stay sunny, but it will be quite windy and there'll be a chill on that wind as well that will take the edge off the temperatures. but for many parts of the country away from here, probably a little bit warmer than today, 20 degrees in the central belt of scotland through the midlands and also in the northwest of england. high pressure building in across the uk for the start of the bank holiday weekend. does get eroded for a while across the north. that weather front, some stronger winds coming into scotland and northern ireland bringing more cloud, a little bit of light rain or drizzle in the northwest, some buildup of cloud for northern england and north wales. sunnier skies further
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south and the winds will be lighter as well. probably the temperatures will peak on saturday, 22, 23 degrees, but it will be cooler in scotland and northern ireland behind that weak weatherfront, not bringing much rain. that moves away, and as the high pressure builds back in across the uk, that cooler air will move its way southwards. so if we look at some forecasts for sunday and monday and the radio1 big weekend continues in dundee, it will be cool but less cool i think on monday. and still dry. temperatures in northern parts of the uk may recover a bit on monday. the same can't be said for the south because it will be turning cooler here by bank holiday monday. still dry with more sunshine.
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progression this is bbc news, the headlines: ukraine confirms the russian army is retaking control of bakhmut after the wagner mercinary group begins its withdrawal from the city. an armed man has killed 3 people — including 2 police officers — in centraljapan. and, as the hit tv series succession comes to an end, we sit down with brian cox — the man behind the menacing lead character, logan roy. straight to breaking news. we have heard in the last few seconds from the police in south wales, that
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