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hello, i'm ben thompson. you're watching the context on bbc news. translation: we are handing - over our positions to the military - ammunition, positions, everything, including food rations. this is the head of wagner group. he wanted to show that his forces could do what the russian military could not do and he has hailed this as a great victory for his forces. now he's trying to save them now. we're going to keep- strengthening ukraine's position on the battlefield. we're going to get ukraine's defenders what they need, i when they need it. we're going to remain united. we're going to stand by ukraine for as long as it takes. -
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hello to you. and welcome to the programme. is the bloody battle for bakhmut over? the head of russia's wagner mercenary group says its forces will hand over the city to russian forces as it declares victory and withdraws. kyiv, though, says it still controls pockets of the city. also in the programme: migration is not out of control. the uk prime minister says the number of people coming to the uk is still too high after new figures show net migration hit a new record high. as business demands more workers, we'll assess proposals for a new skills—based visa system. armed officers descend on central london after a car crashes into the gates of downing street. police say a man was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and dangerous driving, but the incident is not being treated as terror—related. and after a storm of racist abuse against real madrid's vinicius
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junior, the president of la liga denies that the spanish football league is racist, but he calls for new powers to prosecute those who are found guilty. what could the league learn from britain's premier league? we will assess that. we start with ukraine, and officials there have dismissed claims that the city of bakhmut has fallen to russia, after wagner mercenaries said they'd begun handing over control of the eastern city to moscow's army. the battle for the city has been the longest and bloodiest of the war. this aerial footage taken earlier this month shows intense shelling in a residential area. most people had already fled before the fighting started happening. bakhmut is of little strategic value to moscow, but its capture would be a symbolic victory for russia. here's part of the recording by mr prigozhin. translation: we are withdrawing units from bakhmut. _ today, it's 5am on the 25th of may.
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by the 1st ofjune, the main parts of the unit will be relocated at the rear camps. we are handing over our positions to the military — ammunition, positions, everything, including food rations. live now to the latvian capital riga and maria mezentseva, member of the ukrainian parliament for kharkiv. thank you for being on the programme. we heard it there, the head of the wagner group saying they would hand over bakhmut to russian forces. talk to us about the symbolism of that. we know it has been the bloodiest scene of fighting in this war, strategically not very important for russia but symbolically hugely important. 10096. the beatin: symbolically hugely important. 10096. the beating heart _ symbolically hugely important. 10096. the beating heart of— symbolically hugely important. 10096. the beating heart of this _ symbolically hugely important. 10096. the beating heart of this war, - symbolically hugely important. 10096. the beating heart of this war, the - the beating heart of this war, the city of bakhmut is continuing beating, and as you have rightly said, quite symbolic for some no one
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understands what strategy is of the russian army since day one of this full—scale invasion. and i think prigozhin hasjust full—scale invasion. and i think prigozhin has just confirmed full—scale invasion. and i think prigozhin hasjust confirmed in full—scale invasion. and i think prigozhin has just confirmed in the beer you have provided yet another failure of the special wagner group, which i am sure will be recognised by many national parliaments and the council of europe, where we work here in riga these days, as a terrorist organisation helping regular russian army, which is now, as is cited, taking over in bakhmut even though the events on the flanks with artillery fire which russian army and try to attack us with is failing, so the flanks are still controlled by ukrainian army. and this is just yet another example of the escalations would have been rolling for the 15 months of the invasion. we have been watching
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brilliant operations conducted with recent military supply in occupied territories and we are eligible to operate within the 1991 borders and to liberate every village and every town. i think prigozhin is trying to save wagner, which will not be possible and he longer. you touched on it there- — possible and he longer. you touched on it there. kyiv _ possible and he longer. you touched on it there. kyiv says _ possible and he longer. you touched on it there. kyiv says is _ possible and he longer. you touched on it there. kyiv says is still- on it there. kyiv says is still controlled pockets of the city, but fundamentally those pockets are small. russia has won in bakhmut, hasn't it? i small. russia has won in bakhmut, hasn't it? ~ , ., , hasn't it? i think it is too early to say that _ hasn't it? i think it is too early to say that into _ hasn't it? i think it is too early to say that into state - hasn't it? i think it is too early to say that into state that. in | hasn't it? i think it is too early i to say that into state that. in the recent communications we are having directly with brave soldiers in bakhmut, id has been confirmed that the army says that we are still there, and this is very direct message. i do not think we should go ahead with the myths.— ahead with the myths. wagner group sa s if ahead with the myths. wagner group says if russian _ ahead with the myths. wagner group says if russian forces _ ahead with the myths. wagner group says if russian forces are _ ahead with the myths. wagner group says if russian forces are unable - ahead with the myths. wagner group says if russian forces are unable to l says if russian forces are unable to hold that position that they have
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won in bakhmut, they are happy to return, but we know it is not that simple. ukrainianforces return, but we know it is not that simple. ukrainian forces will be keen to fill in their if russian forces are not able to hold it. and in and of itself, as we said, bakhmut nonsurgical important, but it will give it greater access if russia —— not strategically important, but it will give russia greater access within that area, which is important, all the donetsk area. i which is important, all the donetsk area. ., ~ ., , , which is important, all the donetsk area. ., ~ ., area. i would like to emphasise as someone from _ area. i would like to emphasise as someone from kharkiv, _ area. i would like to emphasise as someone from kharkiv, liberated l area. i would like to emphasise as - someone from kharkiv, liberated back in september last year, brilliant operation of ukrainian army, every village, every town, every big and small city is vitally important for ukrainian army and our presented as a leader and every politician and every ukrainian citizen, so we cannot estimate what is more
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important or less important, but we are witnessing currently another failure of the russian strategies —— ukrainian army and our president as a major. in a way, prigozhin has spoken, he has tried to save also his own team, but at the same time progress given to the russian army, which will not be realistic on the ground. as if to say ukraine continues to receive great nato weapons which are operated in our sovereign territory. therefore, i assume that there will be another wave of disinformation for internal market, so that we are witnessing russians not being willing to be recruited to the russian army for whatsoever reason. they have no motivation, they have low expectations because they are not receiving enough support and prigozhin has confirmed it multiple times in his address, so we are only
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aiming for successful liberation operations of our army, and thanks to uk and other partners, we do believe it can be realistic in the nearest time.— believe it can be realistic in the nearest time. mariia, it is really aood to nearest time. mariia, it is really good to have — nearest time. mariia, it is really good to have you _ nearest time. mariia, it is really good to have you on _ nearest time. mariia, it is really good to have you on the - nearest time. mariia, it is really - good to have you on the programme, thatis good to have you on the programme, that is mariia mezentseva, member of ukrainian prominent fir park if. thank you. —— ukrainian parliament for kharkiv. let's speak to retired colonel brendan kearney. he spent more than 30 years in the us marines and is now a military affairs analyst. thank you for being with us once again, it is good to have you on the programme, and i hope you are able to this into some of the conversation we were having there, a suggestion that this is a failure of russian strategy. is that how you see what is going on in bakhmut? good to be with you again. she made some _ good to be with you again. she made some interesting statements there, and again. — some interesting statements there, and again, i try to be impartial in the sense— and again, i try to be impartial in the sense of giving you a military
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perspective, and in this particular case: _ perspective, and in this particular case, i_ perspective, and in this particular case, i think it would... it is very simple — case, i think it would... it is very simple i— case, i think it would... it is very simple ido— case, i think it would... it is very simple. i do not think anybody knows what the _ simple. i do not think anybody knows what the russian strategy is. i think— what the russian strategy is. i think this _ what the russian strategy is. i think this is, this effort in bakhmut that has gone on now for a number_ bakhmut that has gone on now for a number of— bakhmut that has gone on now for a number of months, at great cost to the wagner— number of months, at great cost to the wagner group and to the russians that are _ the wagner group and to the russians that are supporting them, the logistics — that are supporting them, the logistics chain that has been supporting the wagner group, and also obviously to the ukrainians, i am not _ also obviously to the ukrainians, i am not sure — also obviously to the ukrainians, i am not sure what they accomplished. it is am not sure what they accomplished. it is of— am not sure what they accomplished. it is of little _ am not sure what they accomplished. it is of little tactical operational, or strategic value, so again. _ operational, or strategic value, so again. this— operational, or strategic value, so again, this hasjust been a meet writer— again, this hasjust been a meet writer to — again, this hasjust been a meet writer to the benefit of the ukrainians.— writer to the benefit of the ukrainians. . ., , ., , . , ukrainians. the wagner group city will withdraw, _ ukrainians. the wagner group city will withdraw, they _ ukrainians. the wagner group city will withdraw, they will _ ukrainians. the wagner group city will withdraw, they will hand - ukrainians. the wagner group city will withdraw, they will hand over| will withdraw, they will hand over that ground to russian troops. from an military strategy point of view, do you think russian troops can hold that ground? it do you think russian troops can hold that ground?— that ground? it all depends on what the ukrainians _ that ground? it all depends on what the ukrainians want _ that ground? it all depends on what the ukrainians want to _ that ground? it all depends on what the ukrainians want to do. - that ground? it all depends on what the ukrainians want to do. how- that ground? it all depends on what. the ukrainians want to do. how much effort _ the ukrainians want to do. how much effort they— the ukrainians want to do. how much effort they want to put into regaining that ground. the wagner
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group _ regaining that ground. the wagner group and — regaining that ground. the wagner group and prigozhin's statement to really— group and prigozhin's statement to really defy common sense from a military— really defy common sense from a military perspective. you don't announce _ military perspective. you don't announce when you are going to have announce when you are going to have a relief— announce when you are going to have a relief in _ announce when you are going to have a relief in place. it is a very, very difficult military operation that has— very difficult military operation that has to be very carefully choreographed, normally between units that — choreographed, normally between units that are very, very familiar with— units that are very, very familiar with each— units that are very, very familiar with each other, i mean, the british expeditionary forces in france in world _ expeditionary forces in france in world war— expeditionary forces in france in world war i develop this into an art form, _ world war i develop this into an art form. and — world war i develop this into an art form. and i— world war i develop this into an art form, and i say that with the great deal of admiration. prigozhin is... the operational security aspects, him announcing this ahead of time, 'ust him announcing this ahead of time, just basically essentially tells the ukrainians, hey, look, we're going to he _ ukrainians, hey, look, we're going to be weak— ukrainians, hey, look, we're going to be weak for the next couple of days because we going to be going back and _ days because we going to be going back and forth, relieving forces, the wagner trip try to make their way to— the wagner trip try to make their way to the — the wagner trip try to make their way to the rear, the russian forces coming _ way to the rear, the russian forces coming up — way to the rear, the russian forces coming up to the front, occupying dispositions —— the walker troops
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trying _ dispositions —— the walker troops trying this — dispositions —— the walker troops trying. this is an amateur hour, and if the _ trying. this is an amateur hour, and if the ukrainians want to, they could — if the ukrainians want to, they could turn— if the ukrainians want to, they could turn this into a real defeat for the _ could turn this into a real defeat for the russians, could turn this into a real defeat forthe russians, but again, it is if they— forthe russians, but again, it is if they want— forthe russians, but again, it is if they want to. we for the russians, but again, it is if they want to.— if they want to. we have talked about this _ if they want to. we have talked about this before, _ if they want to. we have talked about this before, about - if they want to. we have talked i about this before, about whether there are three key players here, russian forces of the ukrainian forces and then the wagner group, and we know the wagner boss targeting repeatedly top russians, saying, you're not giving up the support we need. is this a narrative playing out now, saying, we are off, it is over to you? yes playing out now, saying, we are off, it is over to you?— it is over to you? yes and no. he has clearly _ it is over to you? yes and no. he has clearly handed _ it is over to you? yes and no. he has clearly handed the _ has clearly handed the responsibility, at least verbally, over— responsibility, at least verbally, over to — responsibility, at least verbally, over to the russian military, but at the same _ over to the russian military, but at the same time, in his statement, the one that _ the same time, in his statement, the one that i _ the same time, in his statement, the one that i read, he basically was saying. — one that i read, he basically was saying, hey, look, we're going to the rear. — saying, hey, look, we're going to the rear, but we are ready to come help you. _ the rear, but we are ready to come help you, you know? it is almost like he _ help you, you know? it is almost like he is — help you, you know? it is almost like he is implying that, you guys cannot— like he is implying that, you guys cannot handle it, but we will save you again. — cannot handle it, but we will save you again, which of course the
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russian — you again, which of course the russian military isjust not going to receive — russian military isjust not going to receive that very, very well. and you hit— to receive that very, very well. and you hit the — to receive that very, very well. and you hit the nail on the head. this is three _ you hit the nail on the head. this is three different parties with their— is three different parties with their own agendas. the ukrainians have _ their own agendas. the ukrainians have the _ their own agendas. the ukrainians have the simplest one in this particular— have the simplest one in this particular case. they are defending in bakhmut. the russians and the wagner— in bakhmut. the russians and the wagner group seem to be operating into different of music. we wagner group seem to be operating into different of music.— into different of music. we will talk again _ into different of music. we will talk again about _ into different of music. we will talk again about this, - into different of music. we will talk again about this, i - into different of music. we will talk again about this, i am - into different of music. we will. talk again about this, i am sure. really gratefulfor your talk again about this, i am sure. really grateful for your insight. thank you for being with us. that is retired colonel brendan kearney there, who spent over 30 years in there, who spent over 30 years in the us marines. thank you for being with us. in other news today... police in london have arrested a man after a car crashed into the gates of downing street, the home of the uk prime minister. the man was detained on suspicion of criminal damage and dangerous driving. there are no reports of injuries.
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a short while ago, police said the incident is not currently being treated as terror—related. let's show you what happened. what you can see here is a white car, which we've circled, approaching the main entrance to downing street. the car appears to slow down before hitting a set of gates, which are staffed around the clock by armed and unarmed police officers. you can see now the car actually being taken away. that happened a short while ago. the prime minister was in downing street at the time but has since left for a scheduled visit. helen catt is in westminster. you are there outside downing street and the car has now been removed, police are keen to say this is not being treated as a terror related incident, but do we have any clue what happened? we incident, but do we have any clue what happened?— incident, but do we have any clue what happened? we know from the footaae what happened? we know from the footage that _ what happened? we know from the footage that you — what happened? we know from the footage that you have _ what happened? we know from the footage that you have just - what happened? we know from the footage that you have just shown i footage that you have just shown that we saw this car across whitehall about az20pm this afternoon and collide with the gate of downing street. it was resting across those gates there and stayed for several hours until the last hour, there has been a flurry of
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activity. a forensic officer was sent half past seven p:m., taking all sorts of angles around the car, the number plates were removed and lifted onto the back of the police recovery vehicle, and taken away about a quarter to eight p:m.. since then, all the cordons have come down and everything is very much back to normal here. whitehall is a very busy street in the middle of london, and as you said, a man was arrested on the scene here by armed police. he was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and dangerous driving. and we are told, as you said, that it is not being treated as terrorism. that is all that we know at the moment about what may have happened here.— have happened here. allen, you can see the security _ have happened here. allen, you can see the security arrangement - have happened here. allen, you can| see the security arrangement behind you, but what is pretty incredible, when you look at that footage, and any myths before any minutes after that car driving into the entrance to downing street, you can see how quickly the pleats are on the scene —— in the minutes before any minutes after. it is a rapid response, and
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thatis after. it is a rapid response, and that is what the police there are trained to do. . that is what the police there are trained to do.— that is what the police there are trained to do. ~ , , , ., trained to do. , westminster is one ofthe trained to do. , westminster is one of the most — trained to do. , westminster is one of the most heavily _ trained to do. , westminster is one of the most heavily guarded - trained to do. , westminster is one of the most heavily guarded bits i trained to do. , westminster is one of the most heavily guarded bits of| of the most heavily guarded bits of westminster. —— yeah, westminster is. there are also unarmed police here. there usually armed and unarmed and very students all around this area. we are really only a stone's throw away from the headquarters of the metropolitan police, new scotland yard, that direction there, so this is a heavily guarded area of london anyway. very quick on the scene. there are specific units deployed purely to protect the government buildings, to protect parliament, the parliamentary and diplomatic protection group, so there are always a lot of dedicated police here, just ready to respond to exactly this kind of incident. helen, it is good to have that update, thank you very much. helen catt in westminster for us. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some of
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the other stories making headlines in the uk today. most households in england, scotland and wales will see their gas and electricity bills come down this summer after the energy regulator ofgem announced a cut in the price cap from july. a typical energy bill will fall to £2,074 a year — that's a drop ofjust over eaoo. but prices are not expected to fall much further over the rest of the year and could edge up in winter. nine people have now been arrested for allegedly taking part in a riot that followed the deaths of two boys in cardiff. four men aged between 16 and 29 were arrested in the ely area and one 21—year—old man detained in tremorfa. it follows four arrests following the disorder on monday. in southern portugal, police investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann have finished their latest three—day search. the operation at a reservoir around 30 miles from where the three—year—old vanished in 2007 has been led by german police, who have named christian brueckner as their main suspect.
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he's currently serving a prison sentence for rape. you're live with bbc news. the head of la liga in spain has said racism can never be eliminated 100%. javier tebas was speaking to the bbc after the real madrid forward viniciusjunior was the target of abuse at valencia on sunday. mr tebas said he believed racist insults could be driven out of the country's stadiums within months, but the league would need greater powers. three valencia fans were arrested after viniciusjunior challenged his abusers at the weekend. their club stadium has been partially closed for five games as punishment. the bbc�*s guy hedgecoe sat down with mr tebas for an interview and asked him if he was frustrated with his organisation's perceived lack of power to act. take a listen. translation: eliminating this - problem 10096 will never be possible, the same way that totally eliminating robberies and other crimes is impossible, but we would reduce it a great deal. and if we were given
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the necessary powers, in six or seven months, we could say that we don't have racism. troy townsend is head of player engagement at kick it out, an organisation which works within football and educational sectors to challenge discrimination, encourage inclusive practices and work for positive change. thank you for being with us on the programme. it is good to talk to you. how do you feel when you listen to that clip there, the spanish leak is not racist, given some of that behaviour that we saw at the match? on forcefully, we have all the evidence for that, that it exists in their leagues, it has existed before viniciusjunior, and obviously vinicius junior, and obviously viniciusjunior, and obviously vinicius has been the target of some pretty horrendous of use way before the abuse that he received on sunday —— unfortunately. for me, tebas is to own that, he needs to accept it and needs to understand it. he needs
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to acknowledge the fact that they have got a lot of work to do. one of the things he said if they could limited within six, seven months. that is not going to happen. you have people that are entering your stadiums that are basically going there to target the black skinned players, and it has happened before. it has not been acknowledged before. but because of vinicius�*s kind of strength in the game and the understanding of his talent, he personally flagged up the abuse and has continued to flag up the abuse that he has received. now, i would say that, is tebas and his organisation only really responding because of the global outrage? because if they really thought that this was a massive problem in their leagues, they would have started this process a really long time ago mussa while week knowledge there is a process ongoing now and or have interests and they are trying to go to legal, i wonder why did has taken this long, this far, for that to have started —— while we acknowledge there is a process ongoing and there
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have been arrests.— there is a process ongoing and there have been arrests. tebas also sang a limitin: it have been arrests. tebas also sang a limiting it will _ have been arrests. tebas also sang a limiting it will never _ have been arrests. tebas also sang a limiting it will never be _ limiting it will never be 100% possible. i wonder whether that is realism or simply resignation and acknowledgement, if you will, of the failure? ., ., ~' acknowledgement, if you will, of the failure? ., ., ,, ., failure? look, here in england, i would never— failure? look, here in england, i would never say _ failure? look, here in england, i would never say we _ failure? look, here in england, i would never say we can - failure? look, here in england, i would never say we can limited i —— a limited racism and his commission out of our country, but what you have to do, you have to make sure you have effective measures to limit it, or, sorry, to try and reduce it in your country. that is quite obvious. unfortunately, we don't control the fans, there will always be fans who because of the tribalism of the game take offence to black players because of the quality of their football, so we have been handling that process for 30 years in this game, and while there is better practice in english football, for the spanish president to come out of the spanish president to come out of the la liga president to come out and say, it will only take six or
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seven months, shows that he is truly not aware of the scale of the issue and problems that exist in la liga. again, i would've every dread, the understanding of the problems that exist, a commitments to better in this space and then we willjudge as time goes on, but six or seven months is massively optimistic for me. �* ., ., months is massively optimistic for me, �* ., ., ., " months is massively optimistic for me. �* ., ., ., ~ , months is massively optimistic for me. and i want to talk but how the owers, me. and i want to talk but how the powers, dissensions, _ me. and i want to talk but how the powers, dissensions, may- me. and i want to talk but how the powers, dissensions, may be, - me. and i want to talk but how the - powers, dissensions, may be, because we know he has asked for additional powers from the spanish government. he said simply then need two laws amended to give them the authority to impose greater sanctions. what does he not have that he says he would need?— does he not have that he says he would need? this is the area that surrises would need? this is the area that surprises me. — would need? this is the area that surprises me, because, - would need? this is the area that surprises me, because, again, i surprises me, because, again, relating it back to the english leagues and the fa, who are our governing body, they have the right to sanction, they have the right to ban and they have the rights to escalate the situation to police forces, etc, and legal, so i am
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wondering why that has never been the case in spain, why they never thought strong enough to think it was the case, and i presume the fact that they seem to be passing on all the evidence to the legal areas of the evidence to the legal areas of the spanishjudicial the evidence to the legal areas of the spanish judicial system, wondering why they have never called for it before, and again ijust revert back to the fact that it seems to me that they have never felt that any of these situations have been serious enough to do that, so the fact that he is calling for it now, i'm going to say again, i think that he is under a little bit of stress because of the global outrage, because of the brazilians, who have quite rightly come out in support of their player, and we'll see where that lands with him, but i agree, la liga should have the powers to ban, they should have the powers to ban, they should have the powers to ban, they should have the powers to shut stadiums down and have the powers to limit fans from the stadiums.— the stadiums. troy, it is really aood to the stadiums. troy, it is really good to speak _ the stadiums. troy, it is really good to speak to _ the stadiums. troy, it is really good to speak to you. - the stadiums. troy, it is really good to speak to you. that - the stadiums. troy, it is really good to speak to you. that is l the stadiums. troy, it is really - good to speak to you. that is troy townsend at kick it out, an
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organisation that works to reduce discrimination. here in the uk, new figures show net migration hit a record high in 2022. net migration is the difference between the number of people coming to live in the uk and the number leaving. that rose to 606,000 last year, driven by people from non—eu countries arriving for work and study after the pandemic. that's up from 488,000 in 2021. the figure includes people coming to the uk under resettlement schemes from both ukraine because of the war and hong kong, after a political crackdown in the former british territory. let's talk some more about those numbers. we are joined by sarah barnard from the tech firm aora. thank you for being with us, and if you look at what you see in those figures, rishi sunak says he supports a more pragmatic approach. one assumes he is talking about skilled bases there, but how do you read that? ., ., ~
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read that? yeah, i mean, i think it is a aood read that? yeah, i mean, i think it is a good thing. — read that? yeah, i mean, i think it is a good thing, because _ read that? yeah, i mean, i think it is a good thing, because 5096 - read that? yeah, i mean, i think it is a good thing, because 5096 of. is a good thing, because 50% of migration is coming from people have been employed on a skilled worker visa. that is great, because we need people to fill the 3.2% of vacant jobs in the uk full of as you said, most of the migration is not coming from the eu any more. skilled worker visas controlled us a lot more, regular team migration and specifically filling the vacancies we need. ., , , ., we need. politically, it feels a little more — we need. politically, it feels a little more palatable, - we need. politically, it feels a little more palatable, doesn't| we need. politically, it feels a i little more palatable, doesn't it, if it is a skilled visa? and also, you touched on it there, there is a time limit on it so is a touch more control of a. how you controlled the backlog, when businesses are crying out for workers to help boost the economy, which we are also told as a clinical priority?— clinical priority? there is a backlou clinical priority? there is a backlog because _ clinical priority? there is a backlog because the - clinical priority? there is a l backlog because the worker clinical priority? there is a -
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backlog because the worker visas clinical priority? there is a _ backlog because the worker visas are very difficult to get right, and employers have to make... audio loss they have to make sure it is compliant for every individual visa. which is what causes those backlogs you were talking about. the main solution receipt of this is using technologies available to speed up this process, so that the uk can see the maximum benefit from these visas as quickly as possible.— as quickly as possible. sarra, it is aood to as quickly as possible. sarra, it is good to have _ as quickly as possible. sarra, it is good to have you _ as quickly as possible. sarra, it is good to have you on _ as quickly as possible. sarra, it is good to have you on the - as quickly as possible. sarra, it is - good to have you on the programme, thank you. it isa it is a story i think we will talk about again the stub there are now proposals of course to use ai, artificial intelligence. that might be able to speed up that process of processing those beast applications. much more in —— visa applications. much more in —— visa applications. much more in —— visa applications. much more on our website. the wagner group says it is in full of bakhmut. it will hand over the city to russian forces on june the 1st.
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it will hand over the city to russian forces onjune the 1st. kyiv says it is still in control of pockets of the city, but nonetheless a fierce battleground, the city of bakhmut. much more on those stories coming up on bbc news. you are watching the context. hello there. it was nice and warm once again today where you had the sunshine, and most of scotland did see the sunshine. but it wasn't sunny everywhere — we did see some cloud developing, particularly across parts of yorkshire, that kept it a little bit cooler here. and there will be differences day to day over the next few days, in terms of the amounts of cloud. but this high pressure will be quite constant, keeping it dry just about everywhere. there'll still be some cloud as we head through the night in some areas, but on the whole, we'll see clearer skies developing and, with light winds, temperatures will fall away. and it could be quite chilly, particularly in eastern scotland first thing on friday morning. there will still be some leftover cloud first thing in the day, and through the day, we'll see cloud toppling into the northwest of scotland, bringing a few spots of drizzle.
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otherwise it should be dry and on the whole, elsewhere, more sunshine in the morning, more cloud building up and spreading out overland in the afternoon. now the far south of england and through the english channel may stay sunny, but only because it's likely to be quite windy here — and there'll be an edge to that wind, it'll make it feel chillier, as well. but where the winds are lighter further north, and we have some sunshine at times, temperatures will reach 20—21 celsius. heading into the bank holiday weekend, looks quite promising, dry for many parts of the country, but temperatures will be dropping as the weekend goes on. now we've still got high pressure sitting close by into saturday, but low pressure is moving away from iceland, squeezing the isobars tighter. the winds will get stronger in scotland and northern ireland, blowing ing more cloud, actually, and we'll see a little bit of rain in the far northwest. some cloud building up in northern parts of england and north wales. otherwise, plenty of sunshine to the south, and not as windy as on friday. our temperatures reaching a healthy 20—23 celsius, pleasant enough.
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it will be cooler in scotland and northern ireland. we've got the cooler weather behind that weak weather front bringing that little bit of rain — that moves away, and high pressure builds back in through the bank holiday weekend, but the cooler out moves down from the north. it looks like on sunday, we'll find after a reasonably sunny start, the cloud will build up in many areas, it should be dry, light winds for many away from the south and southeast. but temperatures dropping in northern and eastern areas of the uk, higher temperatures in the southwest. more sunshine, but cooler on monday.
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hello, i'm ben thompson. you're watching the context on bbc news. the founder of the far right militant oath keepers is sentenced to 18 years for his role in the january 6 capitol riot. more on that to come and just a moment. but first let's get a fertile round up of the sport of the day. here is paul. hello from the bbc sport centre. we start with the english premier league — manchester united need just 1 more point to qualify for the uefa champions
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league next season. they're taking on chelsea at old trafford. the match kicked off around half an hour ago. united have been pretty formidable at home this season having not lost there since the opening day. erik ten hag's side are unchanged from the 11 that started the win at bournemouth at the weekend. and they took the lead in the 6th minute. casemiro — who scored the winner at bournemouth — heading in the opener. around 15 minutes to go until half—time bad news for manchester united, their winter entityjust has united, their winter entity just has been united, their winter entityjust has been structured off with a rather serious looking injury. manchester united 1—0 up and as it stands qualifying for the champions league next season. tottenham's search for a new manager continues after feyenoord boss arne slot ruled himslef out of a move to spurs. antonio conte left the club at the end of march and... ..they�*ve taken just 12 points from 12 games since they beat chelsea in late february. it's reported tottenham would have had to pay at least 20 million pounds to free slot from his feyenoord contract.
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the dutchman says he wants to "stay at feyenoord and continue working on what we created last year". there has been a serious fear that they were going to lose him. the last two weeks we know from very good for sources that there were talks between his agent and the tottenham hotspur is people and it was always going to look, but he was going to leave with three of his assistance and it looked like the end of a campaign after winning the league in holland. feyenoord were not going to let him go for less than £20 million in that was really a major stumbling block for todd and hospers. —— tottenham hotspur it's been a birthday to remember for geraint thomas. he's increased his lead at the giro d'italia to almost half a minute with three days to go. stage 18 was won by
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italy's flippo zana.. but the main drama was amongst those trying to catch thomas... as nick parrott reports. starting the day in the leader's jersey made it an extra special birthday for geraint thomas. he's now 37 and said before they got under way, "i'm still feeling good, still feel like i'm improving, and just enjoying my race." with one mountain stage after this one, time is running out for his rivals to catch him. with 18 miles to go, his ineos grenadiers team picked up the pace, trying to turn it into a race of attrition. but primoz roglic was clearly feeling good and come up with his team—mate, they went for it. thomas took with them, but almeda couldn't. the young portuguese slipped back and, as a result, conceded second place overall to primoz roglic. the slovenia finish seventh all day. tomorrow the queen stage and then the hardest of the race so,
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definitely not getting carried away. today was a good day, butjust keep doing the basics, it sounds boring but yeah. take client by client. the -a is but yeah. take client by client. the party is on — but yeah. take client by client. the party is on hold for now but if he is still in pink come sunday on room his celebrations will be hughes. nick parrott, bbc news. the world number one carlos alcaraz could meet novak djokovic in the semi—finals of the french open. they're in the same half of the draw. alcaraz will face a qualifier in the first round. while third seed djokovic plays american aleksandar kovacevic. the british number one cameron norrie takes on frenchman, benoit paire. defending women's champion iga swiatek, starts against spaniard cristina bucsa. second seed from belarus aryna sabalenka will face ukraine's marta kostyuk, wimbledon champion elena rybakina is still waiting to find out her first round opponent. meanwhile norrie is through to the semi—finals of the lyon open, the defending champion beat sebastian baez in three sets, he'll next face another argentinian in francisco
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cerundolo who beat jack draper to progress. the other semi will be between brandon nakashima and frenchman arthur fils. and that's all the sport for now. thank you very much we will see a little later. a federaljudge in the united states has sentenced the founder of the far right militant oath keepers, stewart rhodes, to 18 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and other crimes related to the storming of the us capitol on january the 6th, 2021. live now to our washington correspondent, jessica parker. jessica, remind us who this group is and what role they played onjanuary the 6th. 50 and what role they played on january the 6th. ., , , ., ., ., the 6th. so oath keepers are a far riaht the 6th. so oath keepers are a far right militia _ the 6th. so oath keepers are a far right militia group _ the 6th. so oath keepers are a far right militia group who _ the 6th. so oath keepers are a far right militia group who the - the 6th. so oath keepers are a far right militia group who the court i right militia group who the court heard during the trial had stashed weapons in a virginia hotel. although, they were never used. and
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stewart rhodes himself, did not actually into the capital building as many others did including members of this group that he led, but prosecutors said he had acted like a battlefield general. sentencing today or during sentencing, the judge was pretty stringent and strong and their language. and pretty remarkable exchanges, the judge said that he was an ongoing threat, you are smart set the judge, charismatic and compelling that is frankly what makes you dangerous. 18 years he has been given, stewart rhodes in prison and that is the toughest sentence yet handed down to anyone involved in those january the 6th capital riots where protesters storm the capital building at the certification ofjoe biden election victory over donald trump was under way. victory over donald trump was under wa . , , ., ., ., way. interesting you mention that, this is 'ust way. interesting you mention that, this isjust as _ way. interesting you mention that, this isjust as much _ way. interesting you mention that, this isjust as much political- way. interesting you mention that, this isjust as much political as - way. interesting you mention that, this isjust as much political as it i this isjust as much political as it isjudicial.
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this isjust as much political as it is 'udicial. , ., , isjudicial. yes, it would be totally easy to _ isjudicial. yes, it would be totally easy to look - isjudicial. yes, it would be totally easy to look at - isjudicial. yes, it would be | totally easy to look at these isjudicial. yes, it would be - totally easy to look at these cases it hundreds of people have been arrested, this is among the most high—profile of those cases. to look at this as courts rattling through these cases, following what happened on january the 6th. but these cases, following what happened onjanuary the 6th. but it does remain a political issue here in the united states, during a recent cnn interview with donald trump. him of course hoping to get back in the white house and is the front runner for the republican nomination. he suggested that he would likely look to pardon a large portion of the capital writers. so it is notjust a matter ofjudicial capital writers. so it is notjust a matter of judicial cases capital writers. so it is notjust a matter ofjudicial cases looking at something that happened in the past. it is a relevant issue for debate and those comments by him were widely picked up here in the us looking forward to the future to that 2024 presidential race although we should say it is quite while awake yet. it we should say it is quite while awake yet-—
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we should say it is quite while awake yet. we should say it is quite while awake et. _, ., ., ,., ., awake yet. it will come around soon enou:h. awake yet. it will come around soon enough. thank you _ awake yet. it will come around soon enough. thank you very _ awake yet. it will come around soon enough. thank you very much. - awake yet. it will come around soon enough. thank you very much. but l enough. thank you very much. but stay in the united states. a film centred around reality winner, famously known as the first trump whistle—blower, is set to hit screens next month. winner, a former member of the us air force, held a position as a translator for a national security agency contractor when she was convicted for leaking a classified report regarding russian election interference. she was charged under the espionage act, which resulted in a four year federal prison sentence. currently, winner is on supervised release until 2024. the film, titled "reality," focuses on her fbi interrogation injune 2017. take a look. the leak the fact that russians attacked our democracy . i the leak the fact that russians attacked our democracy . i don't think they — attacked our democracy . i don't think they are _ attacked our democracy . i don't think they are big _ attacked our democracy . i don't think they are big bad _ attacked our democracy . i don't think they are big bad mastermindsj think they are big bad masterminds but i think they are big bad masterminds but i don't — think they are big bad masterminds but i don't think... i think he made
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a mistake — but i don't think... i think he made a mistake-— a mistake. have you ever taken an hinu a mistake. have you ever taken anything outside _ a mistake. have you ever taken anything outside the _ a mistake. have you ever taken anything outside the nsa - a mistake. have you ever taken i anything outside the nsa facility? i don't want you to go down the wrong _ i don't want you to go down the wrong road because telling a lie to an fbi _ wrong road because telling a lie to an fbi agent is not going to be the film an fbi agent is not going to be the right thing. we are joined by the film's director tina satter. good to have you on the programme as i sit in the introduction, you base this on that fbi interrogation. you had a look at it in 2017 and then put the transcript to get there. first for a play and then the film. how did you feel when you first read that transcript? i how did you feel when you first read that transcript?— that transcript? i was totally mesmerized _ that transcript? i was totally mesmerized when _ that transcript? i was totally mesmerized when i - that transcript? i was totally mesmerized when i first - that transcript? i was totally | mesmerized when i first read that transcript? i was totally - mesmerized when i first read that transcript. i had just read an article, six months after and i had just read an article online learning
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more details of reality and saying that this was a really fascinating young woman and then click the link that took me to the transcript and i just got this really intense feeling. this is a really wild document and hearing this young woman speak in her own voice, through this transaction is just really thrilling and gripping. i was clicking through it like it was a page turner. and i wasjust clicking through it like it was a page turner. and i was just totally absorbed and taken by this document. and then i already started feeling what was the protagonist at the heart of it. what was the protagonist at the heart of it-_ heart of it. the dialogue of the film is based _ heart of it. the dialogue of the film is based entirely - heart of it. the dialogue of the film is based entirely on - heart of it. the dialogue of the film is based entirely on that l film is based entirely on that interrogation. how difficult was it to stay true to that dialogue? how did you not add to it, embellish it, use theatrical licence to create the show and subsequently the film? sticking to the verbatim mess of it, just became this incredible mandate
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of the project. the rigour of that dispute really exciting, to me to the actors, the dp and that the edit, normally could switch a scene around to help with some storytelling. but i think we were also on board with how exciting that challenge was and that since we had this field documents keep it going in order like that and verbatim was really important for the integrity of the project. the really important for the integrity of the project-— really important for the integrity of the ro'ect. ., , of the pro'ect. the reason this film is so of the project. the reason this film is so compelling _ of the project. the reason this film is so compelling is _ of the project. the reason this film is so compelling is that _ of the project. the reason this film is so compelling is that you - of the project. the reason this film is so compelling is that you talk i is so compelling is that you talk about some really big issues here. truth, power, the us legal system. but we see itjust truth, power, the us legal system. but we see it just through truth, power, the us legal system. but we see itjust through the eyes of one woman. and the impact that it has on her life. it condenses those huge issues into one lived experience.— huge issues into one lived experience. huge issues into one lived exerience. ., ., experience. that was what was so intri . uinu experience. that was what was so intriguing and _ experience. that was what was so intriguing and wild _ experience. that was what was so intriguing and wild to _ experience. that was what was so intriguing and wild to me - experience. that was what was so intriguing and wild to me about i experience. that was what was so i intriguing and wild to me about this is that you have this, 25—year—old girl, who at that point was a civilian, wearing jeans shorts coming home with bags of groceries
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on a saturday afternoon and she is in her house filled with her own ephemera and she, and in many ways a very normal young american woman and then she is suddenly thrust into this thing of little geopolitical ramifications. and thatjust a position of that very unexpected and fascinating person at the centre of that reality, winner was fairly mesmerising. i that reality, winner was fairly mesmerising.— that reality, winner was fairly mesmerising. i wonder as well because you've _ mesmerising. i wonder as well because you've done _ mesmerising. i wonder as well because you've done it - mesmerising. i wonder as well because you've done it for - mesmerising. i wonder as well because you've done it for the | mesmerising. i wonder as well - because you've done it for the stage and off the big screen, what could you do with a film that you could not do with a play? the you do with a film that you could not do with a play?— you do with a film that you could not do with a play? the thing i was excited to do _ not do with a play? the thing i was excited to do with _ not do with a play? the thing i was excited to do with the _ not do with a play? the thing i was excited to do with the film - not do with a play? the thing i wasj excited to do with the film because the play, which was i was very proud of and very successful, when the incredible actors get on stage and just do that conversation, essentially on a very bare set. his i wanted to except the potency of the language but i have always been dying to get in seeing her world because again this visit from the fbi happens in her home
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unexpectedly. so it is very vulnerable space, her own bedroom. she is in her car. i had seen her social media knew that those very specific to her and a young woman. i really wanted to show her house, her life, her ephemera while this interrogation is going on which is actually how it was. that was really exciting to turn to the film and just to get, to move a little more subjective like camera lies through reality�*s experience of that day to truly be very close to be close to her face, truly be very close to be close to herface, to truly be very close to be close to her face, to see truly be very close to be close to herface, to see her through her eyes. really getting into that terror firmer of that with the camera was made me so excited to do it as a film. . ~ camera was made me so excited to do it as a film-— it as a film. thank you for exolaining _ it as a film. thank you for explaining all— it as a film. thank you for explaining all that - it as a film. thank you for explaining all that it's - it as a film. thank you for i explaining all that it's called reality and it's out in the uk. soon. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news.
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feeling on top of the world, this is the moment harry made history. last week he became the first ever double above the knee amputee to ever reach the summit of everest. i am the summit of everest. i am emotional— the summit of everest. i am emotional as _ the summit of everest. i am emotional as well _ the summit of everest. i am emotional as well because l the summit of everest. i am| emotional as well because is the summit of everest. i am i emotional as well because is a the summit of everest. ian emotional as well because is a long wait and i cried many times. and yeah, lots of emotional things... yeah, ifeelamazing yeah, lots of emotional things... yeah, ifeel amazing but also i hope this will sent a message around the world that anything is possible. the former soldier lost both his legs when he stepped on an improvised explosive device while serving in afghanistan in 2010. when he woke up, he thought his life was over. but taking on a number of extreme
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sporting feats helped grow his confidence again. you're live with bbc news. the chief constable of police scotland says that his force is institutionally racist, sexist and discriminatory. sir iain livingstone who is retiring this summer as head of the uk's 2nd largest force says it's important to acknowledge the reality of his officers' behaviour in order for there to be change. our scotland correspondent lorna gordon reports. the meeting of institutional the meaning of institutional racism set out by sir william macpherson in 1999 and his report on the appalling murder of stephen lawrence in 1993 is rightly very demanding. the phrase, the terminology, however, can and as often misinterpreted or misrepresented as unfair and personal critical assessments of police officers and police staff as individuals. that is not the case. does institutional discrimination mean our police officers and police
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staff are racist and sexist? no, it absolutely does not. i have great confidence in the character and values of our people. i am proud of police scotland. i am proud of my colleagues, proud of my officers and staff. so i know and i have shared the reservations and concerns about acknowledging that institutional discrimination exists in policing. however, it is right for me. it's the right thing to do for me as chief constable to clearly state the institutional racism, sexism, misogyny and discrimination exist. police scotland is institutionally racist and discriminatory. former met police chief superintendent, leroy loganjoins me now. thank you for being with us. you heard that clip and i am sure you saw some comments made earlier today by the chief constable of police
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scotland admitting that it has serious institutional failures. scotland admitting that it has serious institutionalfailures. an important move, a bold move, but you may question why he is doing it now when he has been in thatjob for so long. l when he has been in that 'ob for so lonu. ~' ., when he has been in that 'ob for so lonu. ~ ., ., , when he has been in that 'ob for so lonu. ~ ., , when he has been in that 'ob for so lonu. ~ ., .,, , ., long. i know he has been going through a _ long. i know he has been going through a process _ long. i know he has been going through a process that - long. i know he has been going through a process that i - long. i know he has been going | through a process that i believe long. i know he has been going i through a process that i believe is starting to get him and his senior leadership team to acknowledge the systemic failures of institutional racism, sexism and homophobia. so better late than never. and i would like to think it sets a template for his successor to really deal with those cultural issues and also the individuals. we want to acknowledge that there is an issue of structural racism, but also deal with the bad cops. and that hopefully the good cops. and that hopefully the good cops will call them out when they see them, a culture that is a lot
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more positive and a lot more embracing of diversity. shah more positive and a lot more embracing of diversity. an important first ste -. embracing of diversity. an important first step. although _ embracing of diversity. an important first step. although he _ embracing of diversity. an important first step. although he is _ embracing of diversity. an important first step. although he is paring - embracing of diversity. an important first step. although he is paring to i first step. although he is paring to leave the forest in the summer. i wonder how much change if he is about to walk out the door? —— preparing to leave the force. if he preparing to leave the force. if he makes a very _ preparing to leave the force. if he makes a very clear _ preparing to leave the force. if ye: makes a very clear framework, i know he has advisers that will assist and make sure that it is bedded in in a similar way to the mcpherson inquiry. the chief actually quoted submit —— sir william and in 199oi had to embrace institutional racism and make it clear delegation of it, it is notjust individuals it is the systemic failures. but more importantly he was acknowledging it as an aspiration to improve the organisation. and not to stigmatize
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it in a way that they feel beleaguered, but to say, ok, let this be a driverfor change beleaguered, but to say, ok, let this be a driver for change and sustainable change at that. bind sustainable change at that. and there is also — sustainable change at that. and there is also a _ sustainable change at that. and there is also a sharp contrast here of course with the met police. we know that sir mark really refusing to describe his force as institutionally racist, misogynistic, homophobic. how important is it that he is been repaired to put his head above the parapet that there is a problem in now is the time to do with it. i think it is timely because it is only when you acknowledge a problem than you can do something about it and then you have to measure it and have independent oversight and one of the things in the casey report is london policing board and i think that independent oversight will uphold the mark riley and the rest of the met to account. and i would like to think police scotland could bring in that similar framework that
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with independent oversight to measure what they are doing. because what gets measured gets done and they cannot seem to be marking their own homework saying the independent necessary saying how progress can be made and that is how you start to get the culture change. you start to see a better service delivery and use the public trust improving. you talk there about the change that has to come from within and there is a suggestion tonight that iain livingstone's popularity it might help that message go down a bit better, to get the force on—site to effect that change. you know this, how difficult is it to change a culture in an organisation as big as the ones we are talking about. to get everyone on board, it's not only quantify the problem but then to work together to find a solution? it is very tough and will be happening overnight because things have eroded for a number of years over the last 10-15 for a number of years over the last 10—15 years. so if you have the right leadership, the ethical leadership to understand how you make that change that and you get
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your senior leadership team to understand, we have to drive this change. we have to lead by example. we need to be more accountable and transparent. we have to show that even when we do something wrong, it is acknowledged. it does not seem to be close in ranks at the expense of truth and justice. of course, let the public feel they are a part of it. it is really important. that partnership is critical for sustainable change. it partnership is critical for sustainable change. partnership is critical for sustainable chance. , partnership is critical for sustainablechanue. ., sustainable change. it is so good to have ou sustainable change. it is so good to have you with _ sustainable change. it is so good to have you with us _ sustainable change. it is so good to have you with us tonight. _ sustainable change. it is so good to have you with us tonight. thank- sustainable change. it is so good to. have you with us tonight. thank you, former met police chief superintendent. artificial intelligence has been used to develop a new antibiotic that can kill a deadly species of superbug. we have a report looking into it and he's in the newsroom with the details.— with the details. recently heard about al when _ with the details. recently heard about al when it _ with the details. recently heard about al when it comes - with the details. recently heard about al when it comes to - with the details. recently heard | about al when it comes to things like chat bots and creating essays for you. like chat bots and creating essays foryou. but like chat bots and creating essays for you. but this takes ai
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like chat bots and creating essays for you. but this takes al to a whole different level. identifying a new antibiotic that can kill one of the worlds most deadly superbugs. so how did the team of researchers in the united states and canada do it? they focused on this bacteria. they call it public enemy number one. it is resistant to nearly every known antibiotic in the world. it's not the clever part. they had to train the clever part. they had to train the artificial intelligence. they did it by feeding it a list of compounds that they knew could slow down or kill be superbug. that then created a list of 6680 compounds that they did not know whether it would work or not. and look at this, the artificial intelligence took just 90 minutes to come up with a short list. of those, 240 were tested in the lab. that then produced nine potential antibiotics. in particular, one. it is very potent. in the tests it killed the superbug can also treat infections in mice. doctorjonathan stokes is
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one on the team behind it, they will not do credit —— clinical trials although he does not think it will be until 2030 that we might have the first artificial intelligence drugs on prescription. but it is important because worldwide, there are estimated to be 1 because worldwide, there are estimated to be1 million because worldwide, there are estimated to be 1 million deaths from infections that cannot be treated by antibiotics. tributes continue to be paid to the singer tina turner who has died at the age of 83. dire straits front man mark knopfler, wrote private dancer, the title track of her hugely successful 1984 comeback album and worked with her on her next two albums. he's been sharing his memories of tina turner with our entertainment correspondent colin paterson. # i'm your private dancer # a dancer for money # i'll do what you want me to do~~# _ mark knopfler. what was it about tina turner that made her so special? absolute life force, a human dynamo. i'd never met anybody like tina.
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# i want to make $1,000,000 # i wanna live out by the sea...# how did your track private dancer end up on her album? i'd written private dancer as a signal for respect being accorded to everybody in society, and tina made it the song it is. i was just mumbling along. you know, mine was a kind of smoky club style of an approach, but tina's was just fists and, you know, seismic. it ends up being a triumphant cry for people with diminished rights everywhere. # i'm your private dancer # a dancer for money # i'll do what you want me to do~~# _ because the way private dancer and the making of the album is described is that she was given two weeks to assemble this album by capital, and it sounds like a rally cry went around the record industry, like who can help tina turner.
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is that how you remember it? yes, that is how i remember it. there really was private dancer was looking for a home. you've talked about the way how she made songs her own. i think a lot of people are onlyjust realising that what's love got to do with it was first done by bucks fizz. # what's love got to do... # what's love but a second—hand emotion...# she had a way of transforming songs so that she owned them. they were hers, increasing the resonance of it so that it was resonating with millions of people. so finally, how will you remember tina turner? oh, i'lljust always remember, in spite of all the things that happened to her. pure happiness. joy — pure, unadulterated joy at life. mark knopfler, thank you very much for speaking to us about your memories of tina turner. my pleasure.
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tina turner who has died at the age of 83. headlines coming up shortly. see you soon. hello there. it was nice and warm once again today where you had the sunshine, and most of scotland did see the sunshine. but it wasn't sunny everywhere — we did see some cloud developing, particularly across parts of yorkshire, that kept it a little bit cooler here. and there will be differences day to day over the next few days, in terms of the amounts of cloud. but this high pressure will be quite constant, keeping it dry just about everywhere. there'll still be some cloud as we head through the night in some areas, but on the whole, we'll see clearer skies developing and, with light winds, temperatures will fall away. and it could be quite chilly, particularly in eastern scotland first thing on friday morning. there will still be some leftover cloud first thing in the day, and through the day,
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we'll see cloud toppling into the northwest of scotland, bringing a few spots of drizzle. otherwise it should be dry and on the whole, elsewhere, more sunshine in the morning, more cloud building up and spreading out overland in the afternoon. now the far south of england and through the english channel may stay sunny, but only because it's likely to be quite windy here — and there'll be an edge to that wind, it'll make it feel chillier, as well. but where the winds are lighter further north, and we have some sunshine at times, temperatures will reach 20—21 celsius. heading into the bank holiday weekend, looks quite promising, dry for many parts of the country, but temperatures will be dropping as the weekend goes on. now we've still got high pressure sitting close by into saturday, but low pressure is moving away from iceland, squeezing the isobars tighter. the winds will get stronger in scotland and northern ireland, blowing ing more cloud, actually, and we'll see a little bit of rain in the far northwest. some cloud building up in northern parts of england and north wales. otherwise, plenty of sunshine to the south, and not as windy as on friday. our temperatures reaching a healthy 20—23 celsius, pleasant enough. it will be cooler in scotland and northern ireland. we've got the cooler weather behind that weak weather front bringing
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that little bit of rain — that moves away, and high pressure builds back in through the bank holiday weekend, but the cooler out moves down from the north. it looks like on sunday, we'll find after a reasonably sunny start, the cloud will build up in many areas, it should be dry, light winds for many away from the south and southeast. the cloud will build up in many areas, it should be dry, light winds for many away from the south and southeast. but temperatures dropping in northern and eastern areas of the uk, higher temperatures in the southwest. more sunshine, but cooler on monday.
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hello, i'm ben thompson. you're watching the context on bbc news. i am running for president of the united states to lead our great american comeback. ringing now its quiet. the other fact, that so many people couldn't actually watch it, _ was an embarrassment and it's not the way you want to _ start the campaign. welcome back to the programme. governor ron desantis has officially announced that he is running for us
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president in 2024. but his much—anticipated campaign launch on twitter had a number of technical problems. we'll more about this. —— we will discuss more about this. with me for the next hour from london is paul waugh, chief political commentator for the i newspaper, and from washington, leigh ann caldwell, an anchor and reporter for the washington post. we will talk to them a little later about that. the florida governor ron desantis has officially announced that he is running for us president in 2024. but that launch did not go according to plan, did it? it was an audio chat with the site's owner elon musk. take a listen. elon is sitting next to me. and we want to welcome you to this historic twitter spaces event and, more broadly, a first in the history of social media. tonight, i'm pleased to introduce two individuals who have done more to loosen... audio cuts out all right, sorry about that. we've got so many people here that i think we are kind of melting the server.
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all right, great, so let's see. " let's "let's see." eventually, after around 25 minutes, the stream was reconnected for the official announcement. i am running for president of the united states to lead our great american comeback. look, we know our country's going in the wrong direction. we see it with our eyes and we feel it in our bones. our southern border�*s collapsed, drugs are pouring into the country. our cities are being hollowed out by spiking crime. the federal government's making it harder for the average family to make ends meet and to attain and maintain a middle—class lifestyle. and our president, well, he lacks vigour, flounders in the face of our nation's challenges and he takes his cues from the woke mob. i can speak now to liz lopatto, senior reporter at the verge, a us tech website. you wrote an article called elon
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musk and ron desantis fiasco shows... we will come onto that in a second, but what i loved about your article, you describe that twitter thing is a glorified conference call. cannot imagine that was a look ron desantis is going for. if call. cannot imagine that was a look ron desantis is going for.— ron desantis is going for. if you think about _ ron desantis is going for. if you think about it, _ ron desantis is going for. if you think about it, his _ ron desantis is going for. if you think about it, his competitor. ron desantis is going for. if you think about it, his competitor is| think about it, his competitor is the former us president donald trump, and donald trump's announcement in 2015 was very different. there was that visual of him descending the golden escalator, there were all of these supporters who were cheering for him. it give you a sense of grandeur and it gave you a sense of grandeur and it gave you a sense that he had supporters, and that's not quite what we got from this twitter space, where we had a lot of audio difficulties. at one point, we had one person who at difficulty on muting. it kinda put you in the mind of this into a call — that's what it was— and one of things it solidified for me is how
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much information we get from images. whether we realise it or not, there are certain impressions that having are certain impressions that having a visually interesting background can give you, whether that is just a row of american flags or cheering supporters or whatever it is, and of course that was absent from what sounded like a speech that desantis was reading. sounded like a speech that desantis was reading-— sounded like a speech that desantis was reading. yes, it sounded like he was reading. yes, it sounded like he was reading. — was reading. yes, it sounded like he was reading. it _ was reading. yes, it sounded like he was reading, it sounded _ was reading. yes, it sounded like he was reading, it sounded a _ was reading. yes, it sounded like he was reading, it sounded a little - was reading, it sounded a little robotic at times, didn't it? and you might say that no one was actually listening to any of the policy announcements, any of the promises what he would do if you got to the white house. all they were looking at was this slightly strained way of announcing it any fact that, you are right you could not see him. images are important, aren't they? especially in american politics. they have been important since 1960. some of you may recall thatjfk defeated richard nixon in a presidential debate when it was televised. the way thatjfk
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presented himself wasn't being relatively youthful, relatively calm under pressure, all of those images were crucial in his campaign, and those who listen to on the radio thought that nixon had won, but the images really won out forjfk, and cv has been super important for american politics ever since. and there a couple of other things that are maybe worth mentioning, which is distribution. cable tv routinely draws millions of viewers, and this twitter space crashed under i think about 600,000, which is a fraction of that, so what you're saying is this is a much smaller audience, and one of the other things worth keeping in mind is who the audience is. tv viewers tend to skew older and so do voters, and so when you're on tv, you're really connecting with the people are most likely to vote, which is maybe not the case on the internet. . . which is maybe not the case on the internet. ., ., ., , ., , internet. yeah, and that is what is even more — internet. yeah, and that is what is even more bizarre. _ internet. yeah, and that is what is even more bizarre. aside - internet. yeah, and that is what is even more bizarre. aside from - internet. yeah, and that is what is i even more bizarre. aside from those technical issues, those twitter
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voters not necessarily people who would vote for him. quite an expensive way, one would assume, of reaching them, and to win the presidency of the mass—market appeal and twitter is not mass—market. whatever we all might think in media, it is a niche proportion of the population, particularly in the us, who use twitter. that the population, particularly in the us, who use twitter.— the population, particularly in the us, who use twitter. that is right, and one of— us, who use twitter. that is right, and one of the _ us, who use twitter. that is right, and one of the thinks _ us, who use twitter. that is right, and one of the thinks maybe - us, who use twitter. that is right, j and one of the thinks maybe worth keeping in mind is that in the us, people you news in public spaces, in bars, and twitter is not, twitter is a one—to—one thing you mostly spirits on your computer or your phone, and so in terms of acquiring the audience numbers that we want when we are speaking to an entire nation, twitter is just really not fair, and if you think about social media websites that are there, you're looking at which, you're looking at facebook, you're looking at youtube, really, because they have hosted stuff that has had millions of viewers without building down in a way that this has gone down, and also, crucially, all of
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them host video, and twitter has experiment with video in the past and has largely been a failure. there was a period where they were hosting buzz feed live shows, which folded. this is not the first time that we have seen twitter move into this area, it is just the for some it is done so under elon musk. star; it is done so under elon musk. stay with us. it is done so under elon musk. stay with us- they _ it is done so under elon musk. stay with us. they bring in the power. let us introduce paul and leigh ann again. leigh ann, you are all —— at the washington post. you know all about a big image. —— at the washington post. you know allabouta big image. it —— at the washington post. you know all about a big image. it says this is who the man is. that twitter call gave us none of that, did it? yeah, absolute none _ gave us none of that, did it? yeah, absolute none of— gave us none of that, did it? yeah, absolute none of that. _ gave us none of that, did it? yeah, absolute none of that. there - gave us none of that, did it? yeah, absolute none of that. there was i absolute none of that. there was none _ absolute none of that. there was none of _ absolute none of that. there was none of the — absolute none of that. there was none of the image, _ absolute none of that. there was none of the image, but— absolute none of that. there was none of the image, but also - absolute none of that. there was none of the image, but also one i absolute none of that. there was i none of the image, but also one of the things— none of the image, but also one of the things you _ none of the image, but also one of the things you try— none of the image, but also one of the things you try to _ none of the image, but also one of the things you try to do _ none of the image, but also one of the things you try to do when - none of the image, but also one of the things you try to do when you i the things you try to do when you launch— the things you try to do when you launch a — the things you try to do when you launch a campaign _ the things you try to do when you launch a campaign is— the things you try to do when you launch a campaign is show- the things you try to do when you launch a campaign is show that i launch a campaign is show that you have supporters _ launch a campaign is show that you have supporters. the _ launch a campaign is show that you have supporters. the fact - launch a campaign is show that you have supporters. the fact that - launch a campaign is show that you have supporters. the fact that ron| have supporters. the fact that ron desantis _ have supporters. the fact that ron desantis chose _ have supporters. the fact that ron desantis chose this _ have supporters. the fact that ron desantis chose this very _ have supporters. the fact that ron desantis chose this very insular, i desantis chose this very insular, way to— desantis chose this very insular, way to introduce _ desantis chose this very insular, way to introduce his _ desantis chose this very insular, way to introduce his campaign i desantis chose this very insular,
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way to introduce his campaign isj way to introduce his campaign is excellent — way to introduce his campaign is excellent pretty— way to introduce his campaign is excellent pretty symbolic - way to introduce his campaign is excellent pretty symbolic of - way to introduce his campaign is excellent pretty symbolic of who way to introduce his campaign is i excellent pretty symbolic of who he is as a _ excellent pretty symbolic of who he is as a politician, _ excellent pretty symbolic of who he is as a politician, who _ excellent pretty symbolic of who he is as a politician, who he _ excellent pretty symbolic of who he is as a politician, who he is - excellent pretty symbolic of who he is as a politician, who he is so - excellent pretty symbolic of who he is as a politician, who he is so far. is as a politician, who he is so far as a _ is as a politician, who he is so far as a candidate. _ is as a politician, who he is so far as a candidate. he _ is as a politician, who he is so far as a candidate. he has _ is as a politician, who he is so far as a candidate. he has a - is as a politician, who he is so far. as a candidate. he has a very close, tight-knit _ as a candidate. he has a very close, tight-knit group _ as a candidate. he has a very close, tight-knit group of _ as a candidate. he has a very close, tight—knit group of advisers, - as a candidate. he has a very close, tight—knit group of advisers, he - as a candidate. he has a very close, tight—knit group of advisers, he is i tight—knit group of advisers, he is very insular, — tight—knit group of advisers, he is very insular, he _ tight—knit group of advisers, he is very insular, he does— tight—knit group of advisers, he is very insular, he does not- tight—knit group of advisers, he is very insular, he does not talk- tight—knit group of advisers, he is very insular, he does not talk a i tight—knit group of advisers, he is| very insular, he does not talk a lot to the _ very insular, he does not talk a lot to the mainstream _ very insular, he does not talk a lot to the mainstream press, - very insular, he does not talk a lot to the mainstream press, and - very insular, he does not talk a lot to the mainstream press, and so. very insular, he does not talk a lot i to the mainstream press, and so this launch— to the mainstream press, and so this launch is— to the mainstream press, and so this launch is reflective _ to the mainstream press, and so this launch is reflective of— to the mainstream press, and so this launch is reflective of that, _ to the mainstream press, and so this launch is reflective of that, it- to the mainstream press, and so this launch is reflective of that, it is- launch is reflective of that, it is going _ launch is reflective of that, it is going to — launch is reflective of that, it is going to be _ launch is reflective of that, it is going to be really— launch is reflective of that, it is going to be really interesting i launch is reflective of that, it is. going to be really interesting how he does _ going to be really interesting how he does on — going to be really interesting how he does on the _ going to be really interesting how he does on the campaign - going to be really interesting how he does on the campaign trail, i going to be really interesting how. he does on the campaign trail, how he does on the campaign trail, how he does _ he does on the campaign trail, how he does interacting _ he does on the campaign trail, how he does interacting with— he does on the campaign trail, how he does interacting with reporters, | he does interacting with reporters, national— he does interacting with reporters, national reporters— he does interacting with reporters, national reporters as _ he does interacting with reporters, national reporters as well, - he does interacting with reporters, national reporters as well, and - he does interacting with reporters, national reporters as well, and sol national reporters as well, and so it is pretty— national reporters as well, and so it is pretty symbolic— national reporters as well, and so it is pretty symbolic of— national reporters as well, and so it is pretty symbolic of what - national reporters as well, and so it is pretty symbolic of what he i national reporters as well, and so it is pretty symbolic of what he is| it is pretty symbolic of what he is and what — it is pretty symbolic of what he is and what he _ it is pretty symbolic of what he is and what he represents - it is pretty symbolic of what he is and what he represents so - it is pretty symbolic of what he is and what he represents so far, i it is pretty symbolic of what he is i and what he represents so far, but if he _ and what he represents so far, but if he is _ and what he represents so far, but if he is going — and what he represents so far, but if he is going to _ and what he represents so far, but if he is going to want _ and what he represents so far, but if he is going to want to— and what he represents so far, but if he is going to want to be - if he is going to want to be president— if he is going to want to be president he _ if he is going to want to be president he is— if he is going to want to be president he is going - if he is going to want to be president he is going to. if he is going to want to be i president he is going to have if he is going to want to be - president he is going to have to a lot more — president he is going to have to a lot more than— president he is going to have to a lot more than that. _ president he is going to have to a lot more than that.— lot more than that. yeah, and paul, i heard it describes _ lot more than that. yeah, and paul, i heard it describes today _ lot more than that. yeah, and paul, i heard it describes today that - lot more than that. yeah, and paul, i heard it describes today that you i i heard it describes today that you have two chances to make a first impression and get it right. one is your lunch and when is your convention speech. the launch did not go great ron desantis, so he will be hoping he gets another shot at it —— the launch.
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will be hoping he gets another shot at it -- the launch.— at it -- the launch. twitter is ultimately — at it -- the launch. twitter is ultimately narrow _ at it -- the launch. twitter is ultimately narrow casting, i at it -- the launch. twitter is i ultimately narrow casting, what we're _ ultimately narrow casting, what we're doing right now is broadcasting, and it is a technical game, _ broadcasting, and it is a technical game it— broadcasting, and it is a technical game it is— broadcasting, and it is a technical game, it is a difficult game, but it is done _ game, it is a difficult game, but it is done professional by loads of broadcasters and what is interesting about— broadcasters and what is interesting about this _ broadcasters and what is interesting about this is the way in which elon musk— about this is the way in which elon musk try— about this is the way in which elon musk try to— about this is the way in which elon musk try to set him up as a media tycoon _ musk try to set him up as a media tycoon and — musk try to set him up as a media tycoon and notjust musk try to set him up as a media tycoon and not just a tech tycoon i've got _ tycoon and not just a tech tycoon i've got is— tycoon and not just a tech tycoon i've got is what really was fascinating, that he was using desantis _ fascinating, that he was using desantis more than desantis was using _ desantis more than desantis was using the — desantis more than desantis was using the platform. he was basically trained _ using the platform. he was basically trained to— using the platform. he was basically trained to reorder to twitter as being _ trained to reorder to twitter as being a — trained to reorder to twitter as being a all— trained to reorder to twitter as being a all right vehicle, platform of species —— trying to reorient a twitter~ — of species —— trying to reorient a twitter~ an — of species —— trying to reorient a twitter. an online equivalent of rupert — twitter. an online equivalent of rupert murdoch. fox news, he knows they are _ rupert murdoch. fox news, he knows they are lowering their ratings commandos fox are coming under threat _ commandos fox are coming under threat from the right, particularly amongst — threat from the right, particularly amongst many from supporters who have fallen — amongst many from supporters who have fallen out of love with them and going — have fallen out of love with them and going to newsmax instead. tucker karlsson _ and going to newsmax instead. tucker karlsson famously is going to bring a show— karlsson famously is going to bring a show to— karlsson famously is going to bring a show to twitter. what is fascinating about this is the latest trend _ fascinating about this is the latest trend to _ fascinating about this is the latest trend to suck power away from the mainstream media in the us,
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traditionally associated with the right _ traditionally associated with the ri . ht. , ., ., traditionally associated with the riuht. , ., ., ., right. liz, is that a fair accusation, _ right. liz, is that a fair accusation, the - right. liz, is that a fair accusation, the idea i right. liz, is that a fair. accusation, the idea that right. liz, is that a fair- accusation, the idea that mr right. liz, is that a fair— accusation, the idea that mr musk might be trying to position himself as that arbiter of free speech, the space where everyone can go and discuss, that digital town hall or town square, but mr murdoch has had maybe a bit more practice in getting that right? i maybe a bit more practice in getting that riuht? ~ maybe a bit more practice in getting that riuht? ,, , .,, that right? i think people underestimate _ that right? i think people underestimate how - that right? i think people | underestimate how clever that right? i think people - underestimate how clever rupert murdoch is. he has always understood distribution. it is one of the reasons he became a us citizen in the first place, so he could buy television networks. and this seems to be something that musk underestimates us to one of the things that is just a basic true technical fact is that the more people you have on a lifestream, the more servers you require, whereas if you are fox news and you are broadcasting over cable, it is sort of does not matter how many viewers you have. there is no additional strain the more popular you become. and so some of these technical
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issues actually may limit how possible it is to distribute things online. it is true that there are other benefits that come from being online, but one of the things that donald trump of the devon tourney was that there was this flywheel between twitter and television and he would tweet something and would be shown on television and then it would be discussed on television and it would give him an opportunity for instance to call into television. he did this well before he was president, he did this well after, and in fact he would often live tweet what he was watching on television, and so twitter and teivy had this kind of semiotic relationship for trump, cutting the connection between those two things in some ways diminishes twitter�*s reach. in some ways diminishes twitter's reach. . , , . in some ways diminishes twitter's reach. ., , , ., ., reach. liz, it has been great to get our reach. liz, it has been great to get your insight- _ reach. liz, it has been great to get your insight. thank _ reach. liz, it has been great to get your insight. thank you _ reach. liz, it has been great to get your insight. thank you for being i your insight. thank you for being with us, liz lopatto at the verge. paul and leigh ann, with us, liz lopatto at the verge. pauland leigh ann, we with us, liz lopatto at the verge. paul and leigh ann, we will speak to
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you a little later. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some of the other stories making headlines in the uk today. most households in england, scotland and wales will see their gas and electricity bills come down this summer after the energy regulator ofgem announced a cut in the price cap from july. a typical energy bill will drop by around £400. but prices are not expected to fall much further over the rest of the year and could edge up in winter. nine people have now been arrested for allegedly taking part in a riot that followed the deaths of two boys in cardiff. four men aged between 16 and 29 were arrested in the ely area and one 21—year—old man detained in tremorfa. it follows four arrests following the disorder on monday. in southern portugal, police investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann have finished their latest three—day search. the operation at a reservoir around 30 miles from where the three—year—old vanished in 2007 has been led by german police, who have named christian brueckner as their main suspect. the 45—year—old is currently serving a prison sentence for raping
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a woman in the same area. you're live with bbc news. here in the uk, new figures show net migration hit a record high in 2022. net migration is the difference between the number of people coming to live in the uk and the number leaving. that rose to 606,000 last year, driven by people from non—eu countries arriving for work and study after the pandemic. that's up from 488,000 in 2021. the figure includes people coming to the uk under resettlement schemes from both ukraine — because of the war — and hong kong, after a political crackdown in the former british territory. let's speak to the panel. an interesting one, this, isn't it? rishi sunak has been talking and has been a big part of his political strategy, particularly in the run—up to what will be a general election. he says it is still a problem. but
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tackling it could be a different matter? , ,, ., ,, tackling it could be a different matter? , ,, ., ~' ., , tackling it could be a different matter? , ,, .,~ , matter? rishi sunak has run up auainst matter? rishi sunak has run up against the _ matter? rishi sunak has run up against the same _ matter? rishi sunak has run up against the same problem - matter? rishi sunak has run up against the same problem his i against the same problem his predecessors have come which is playing the numbers game on that migration is in many ways a fools area, particular if, like sunak, you generally do believe that you need some skilled migration to boost your economy. and i think the problem, notjust for the ruling conservative party but also for labour party, is there both engaged in this numbers game by saying frequently, the numbers are too high, the prime instance had that today. too high compared to what is the real question, and if you're the opposition, if it is too high, what is your number you want to get down to? they need to get into these other questions, and that is weak in big trouble. many of them really need to wise up to the fact that in a dynamic economy, numbers are going to go up and down stub you're going to go up and down stub you're going to need some flex in your system to cope with refugees, like from hong
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kong and from ukraine, but also some flex to cope with the aber shortages, which are here because of brexit, we have got some labour shortages, a variety of areas, in agriculture or hospitality, or even health care and social care. and so in modern economy need to have that flex. there is some sense of control of the numbers and ready to bake should be. it is hard to separate _ ready to bake should be. it is hard to separate the _ ready to bake should be. it is hard to separate the emotion _ ready to bake should be. it is hard to separate the emotion of - ready to bake should be. it is hard to separate the emotion of the - to separate the emotion of the politics. to separate the emotion of the olitics. ., ., , ., politics. -- and that is where that debate should _ politics. -- and that is where that debate should be. _ politics. -- and that is where that debate should be. we _ politics. -- and that is where that debate should be. we saw - politics. -- and that is where that debate should be. we saw the - politics. -- and that is where that. debate should be. we saw the expiry ofthat debate should be. we saw the expiry of that rule 11— debate should be. we saw the expiry of that rule 11 the _ debate should be. we saw the expiry of that rule 11 the evil _ debate should be. we saw the expiry of that rule 11 the evil to _ debate should be. we saw the expiry of that rule 11 the evil to cross - of that rule 11 the evil to cross the board or not in mexico. this is a universal problem and it is how the politicians managed to tackle it successfully and make policy that works for all interested parties. yeah, the border issue in the united states. _ yeah, the border issue in the united states. the — yeah, the border issue in the united states, the southern border issue, i should _ states, the southern border issue, i should say, — states, the southern border issue, i should say, has been an issue for quite _ should say, has been an issue for quite some — should say, has been an issue for quite some time in politicians have failed _ quite some time in politicians have failed to—
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quite some time in politicians have failed to address it. successfully. congress — failed to address it. successfully. congress has been trying for more than 20 _ congress has been trying for more than 20 years, 30 years, almost, to do summing — than 20 years, 30 years, almost, to do summing about immigration, and it 'ust do summing about immigration, and it just does— do summing about immigration, and it just does not— do summing about immigration, and it just does not seem to work. they cannot— just does not seem to work. they cannot comment to an agreement. and there is— cannot comment to an agreement. and there isjust — cannot comment to an agreement. and there isjust an cannot comment to an agreement. and there is just an oscillation cannot comment to an agreement. and there isjust an oscillation back and forth— there isjust an oscillation back and forth from the extremes between president _ and forth from the extremes between president to president, on how the ministration addresses it. you had the tribbett ministration really focused — the tribbett ministration really focused on border security, building a wall, _ focused on border security, building a wall, at— focused on border security, building a wall, at the border, which he started — a wall, at the border, which he started -- _ a wall, at the border, which he started —— trump administration. and then you _ started —— trump administration. and then you have — started —— trump administration. and then you have the biden administration, who stopped construction of the border wall and there _ construction of the border wall and there was— construction of the border wall and there was an influx of migrants. when _ there was an influx of migrants. when title — there was an influx of migrants. when title 42 added a couple of weeks _ when title 42 added a couple of weeks ago there was expected to be a hu-e weeks ago there was expected to be a huge surge _ weeks ago there was expected to be a huge surge at the border, it actually— huge surge at the border, it actually did not happen. border crossings— actually did not happen. border crossings dropped. and that was because — crossings dropped. and that was because the administration knew the problem _ because the administration knew the problem on their hand and had worked very, problem on their hand and had worked very. very— problem on their hand and had worked very, very hard to ensure there was
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alternate _ very, very hard to ensure there was alternate means for people to try to seek asylum. it does not mean that the issue _ seek asylum. it does not mean that the issue has been solved, this is a temporary— the issue has been solved, this is a temporary fix in the united states, and it— temporary fix in the united states, and it is— temporary fix in the united states, and it is a — temporary fix in the united states, and it is a very huge political issue — and it is a very huge political issue that _ and it is a very huge political issue that drives a wedge between the parties and that is like some sort of— the parties and that is like some sort of common—sense solution is elusive _ sort of common—sense solution is elusive here in the us. and sort of common-sense solution is elusive here in the us.— sort of common-sense solution is elusive here in the us. and of paul, we often then _ elusive here in the us. and of paul, we often then get _ elusive here in the us. and of paul, we often then get back _ elusive here in the us. and of paul, we often then get back to _ elusive here in the us. and of paul, we often then get back to that - we often then get back to that point, talking about skills, and the migration that as a country we would like to welcome, and that is because businesses are crying out for additional labour, they say they don't have the people were the skills they need to rode the economy which we are told is a political priority, but getting that process and system in place seemingly seems to be elusive. that seems to be the sticking point, not least because there is a huge backlog, but determining what we want and don't want never seems to be a point of agreement. want never seems to be a point of agreement-— want never seems to be a point of aareement. , .,, , i. �* agreement. the problem is, if you're
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auoin to agreement. the problem is, if you're going to have — agreement. the problem is, if you're going to have a _ agreement. the problem is, if you're going to have a points _ agreement. the problem is, if you're going to have a points based - going to have a points based migration system as we have now, where you give people certain number of points according to their skills, you are going to have the state micromanaging what business wants and what the economy needs, when we were a part of the european union, there was a free flow of migrants, and it is called free movement for a reason, because the market dictated it. people came and went according to what was the needs of the market. now the government are going to have to wise up to the fact that they're going to have to micromanage a bit more, be engaged bit more with business, what their needs are, and be more flexible, but isaac is worth speaking... we talk about skills all the time, but the benefits of uns good migration are just not often talked about enough. in the united states, and has benefited massively from uns good migration. even donald trump's grandfather arrived as an unskilled migrant, started off life in germany, in america, a barbershop, went on to found a real
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estate fortune. the same goes for andrew carnegie. he came from scotland. there are 70 migrants that build businesses and jobs, that is the key point. if you want growth, if you want better productivity, you're going to rely on migrants. at 40% of the fortune 500 top companies in the us started by immigrants or their children.— in the us started by immigrants or their children. leigh ann, paul, for now, their children. leigh ann, paul, for now. thank— their children. leigh ann, paul, for now. thank you- — their children. leigh ann, paul, for now, thank you. we _ their children. leigh ann, paul, for now, thank you. we will— their children. leigh ann, paul, for now, thank you. we will be - their children. leigh ann, paul, for now, thank you. we will be back i their children. leigh ann, paul, for now, thank you. we will be back to talk to you in a moment. iran successfully test—launched a ballistic missile with a potential 2,000—km range on thursday, two days after the chief of israel's armed forces raised the prospect of "action" against tehran over its nuclear programme. state tv broadcast this footage of what it said was the launch of an upgraded version of a ballistic missile which is able to carry a 1,500 kg warhead. the us state department says iran's development of ballistic missiles poses a serious threat to regional and international security. let's speak now to colin clarke, director of policy and research
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at the soufan group, a global intelligence and security consultancy. he joins us from pittsburgh in pennsylvania. thank you for being on the programme. in a region where many are trying to de—escalate tensions, its rights me that this is doing the exact opposite?— exact opposite? precisely. this is -ical exact opposite? precisely. this is typical lranian — exact opposite? precisely. this is typical iranian behaviour. - exact opposite? precisely. this is typical iranian behaviour. as - exact opposite? precisely. this is| typical iranian behaviour. as soon as tehran — typical iranian behaviour. as soon as tehran feels _ typical iranian behaviour. as soon as tehran feels like _ typical iranian behaviour. as soon as tehran feels like it _ typical iranian behaviour. as soon as tehran feels like it has - typical iranian behaviour. as soon as tehran feels like it has some i as tehran feels like it has some leverage. — as tehran feels like it has some leverage. it— as tehran feels like it has some leverage, it goes _ as tehran feels like it has some leverage, it goes and _ as tehran feels like it has some leverage, it goes and escalates| as tehran feels like it has some i leverage, it goes and escalates to this degree — leverage, it goes and escalates to this degree. irradiance _ leverage, it goes and escalates to this degree. irradiance have - leverage, it goes and escalates to this degree. irradiance have been| this degree. irradiance have been locked _ this degree. irradiance have been locked into — this degree. irradiance have been locked into what _ this degree. irradiance have been locked into what we _ this degree. irradiance have been locked into what we call - this degree. irradiance have been locked into what we call the - this degree. irradiance have been i locked into what we call the shadow war with _ locked into what we call the shadow war with the — locked into what we call the shadow war with the israelis _ locked into what we call the shadow war with the israelis for _ locked into what we call the shadow war with the israelis for the - locked into what we call the shadow war with the israelis for the better. war with the israelis for the better part of— war with the israelis for the better part of his — war with the israelis for the better part of his last— war with the israelis for the better part of his last several— war with the israelis for the better part of his last several years - war with the israelis for the better part of his last several years —— i part of his last several years —— iranians~ — part of his last several years —— iranians. have _ part of his last several years —— iranians. have use _ part of his last several years —— iranians. have use proxy- part of his last several years —— i iranians. have use proxy forces, including — iranians. have use proxy forces, including forces _ iranians. have use proxy forces, including forces in— iranians. have use proxy forces, including forces in iraq, - iranians. have use proxy forces, including forces in iraq, the - iranians. have use proxy forces, i including forces in iraq, the truth the rebels — including forces in iraq, the truth the rebels in _ including forces in iraq, the truth the rebels in yemen— including forces in iraq, the truth the rebels in yemen and - including forces in iraq, the truth the rebels in yemen and others i including forces in iraq, the truthl the rebels in yemen and others to pursue _ the rebels in yemen and others to pursue their — the rebels in yemen and others to pursue their foreign _ the rebels in yemen and others to pursue their foreign policy - the rebels in yemen and others to pursue their foreign policy and - pursue their foreign policy and really— pursue their foreign policy and really to— pursue their foreign policy and really to escalate _ pursue their foreign policy and really to escalate tension - really to escalate tension throughout _ really to escalate tension throughout the _ really to escalate tension throughout the region . really to escalate tension - throughout the region despite broader— throughout the region despite broader diplomatic— throughout the region despite broader diplomatic initiativesl throughout the region despite - broader diplomatic initiatives that a been _ broader diplomatic initiatives that a been put — broader diplomatic initiatives that a been put forth _ broader diplomatic initiatives that a been put forth recently- broader diplomatic initiatives that a been put forth recently —— - broader diplomatic initiatives that i a been put forth recently —— houthi rebels _ a been put forth recently -- houthi rebels. ,, . ., , ., rebels. quite clearly there are nerves across _ rebels. quite clearly there are nerves across the _ rebels. quite clearly there are nerves across the region. - rebels. quite clearly there are nerves across the region. the | rebels. quite clearly there are - nerves across the region. the chief of israel armed forces saying they
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could be action against tehran over its nuclear programme. what do we read that to mean? the its nuclear programme. what do we read that to mean?— read that to mean? the israelis really bluff- _ read that to mean? the israelis really bluff. they _ read that to mean? the israelis really bluff. they have - read that to mean? the israelis really bluff. they have been - read that to mean? the israelis i really bluff. they have been acting against _ really bluff. they have been acting against irans— really bluff. they have been acting against iran's nuclear— really bluff. they have been acting against iran's nuclear programme, they have — against iran's nuclear programme, they have done _ against iran's nuclear programme, they have done it— against iran's nuclear programme, they have done it through - against iran's nuclear programme, they have done it through covert i they have done it through covert means, — they have done it through covert means, they've _ they have done it through covert means, they've assassinated - they have done it through covert - means, they've assassinated nuclear scientists. _ means, they've assassinated nuclear scientists. they— means, they've assassinated nuclear scientists, they have _ means, they've assassinated nuclear scientists, they have done _ means, they've assassinated nuclear scientists, they have done it - means, they've assassinated nuclear scientists, they have done it very- scientists, they have done it very much _ scientists, they have done it very much through _ scientists, they have done it very much through offensive - scientists, they have done it very much through offensive cyber- much through offensive cyber operations. _ much through offensive cyber operations, targeting - much through offensive cyber operations, targeting the - much through offensive cyber| operations, targeting the kind much through offensive cyber. operations, targeting the kind of networks— operations, targeting the kind of networks that _ operations, targeting the kind of networks that underpin - operations, targeting the kind of networks that underpin iran's . networks that underpin iran's nuclear— networks that underpin iran's nuclear activities. _ networks that underpin iran's nuclear activities. they- networks that underpin iran's nuclear activities. they have i networks that underpin iran's - nuclear activities. they have also taken _ nuclear activities. they have also taken action— nuclear activities. they have also taken action throughout - nuclear activities. they have also taken action throughout the - nuclear activities. they have also i taken action throughout the region. they have _ taken action throughout the region. they have attacked _ taken action throughout the region. they have attacked iranian - taken action throughout the region. | they have attacked iranian interests in serie _ they have attacked iranian interests in serie a _ they have attacked iranian interests in serie a and — they have attacked iranian interests in serie a and elsewhere, _ they have attacked iranian interests in serie a and elsewhere, so - they have attacked iranian interests in serie a and elsewhere, so i - they have attacked iranian interests| in serie a and elsewhere, so i would israelis —— they have attacked irani interest— israelis —— they have attacked irani interest in— israelis —— they have attacked irani interest in syria. _ israelis —— they have attacked irani interest in syria. i— israelis —— they have attacked irani interest in syria. i do— israelis —— they have attacked irani interest in syria. i do worry- israelis —— they have attacked irani interest in syria. i do worry about i interest in syria. i do worry about a broader— interest in syria. i do worry about a broader conflagration _ interest in syria. i do worry about a broader conflagration in- interest in syria. i do worry about a broader conflagration in the - a broader conflagration in the region. — a broader conflagration in the region. one _ a broader conflagration in the region, one that— a broader conflagration in the region, one that treads - a broader conflagration in the region, one that treads and i a broader conflagration in the - region, one that treads and other countries — region, one that treads and other countries and _ region, one that treads and other countries and potentially - region, one that treads and other countries and potentially other. countries and potentially other countries — countries and potentially other countries outside _ countries and potentially other countries outside the - countries and potentially other countries outside the region, i countries outside the region, including _ countries outside the region, including the _ countries outside the region, including the united - countries outside the region, including the united states. i countries outside the region, i including the united states. you miaht including the united states. you mi . ht sa including the united states. you might say there _ including the united states. might say there are a lot of including the united states.” might say there are a lot of fault lines in the region to which iran is already connected. what is of most concern right now? which one? it is
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concern right now? which one? it is hard to say- — concern right now? which one? it is hard to say- it _ concern right now? which one? it is hard to say. it depends on the day in the _ hard to say. it depends on the day in the mood, _ hard to say. it depends on the day in the mood, right? _ hard to say. it depends on the day in the mood, right? it— hard to say. it depends on the day in the mood, right? it couple - hard to say. it depends on the day in the mood, right? it couple of. in the mood, right? it couple of months — in the mood, right? it couple of months ago. it— in the mood, right? it couple of months ago, it might've - in the mood, right? it couple of months ago, it might've been. in the mood, right? it couple of- months ago, it might've been yemen. more recently— months ago, it might've been yemen. more recently it — months ago, it might've been yemen. more recently it has _ months ago, it might've been yemen. more recently it has been _ months ago, it might've been yemen. more recently it has been gaza. - more recently it has been gaza. despite — more recently it has been gaza. despite the _ more recently it has been gaza. despite the sunni, _ more recently it has been gaza. despite the sunni, shi'ite - despite the sunni, shi'ite difference, _ despite the sunni, shi'ite difference, iran, - despite the sunni, shi'ite difference, iran, hes- despite the sunni, shi'ite i difference, iran, hes state, supports_ difference, iran, hes state, supports sunni _ difference, iran, hes state, supports sunni militant - difference, iran, hes state, i supports sunni militant groups difference, iran, hes state, - supports sunni militant groups in gaza, _ supports sunni militant groups in gaza, including _ supports sunni militant groups in gaza, including hamas_ supports sunni militant groups in gaza, including hamas but- supports sunni militant groups in gaza, including hamas but also. gaza, including hamas but also palestine — gaza, including hamas but also palestine islamic— gaza, including hamas but also palestine islamichhad, - gaza, including hamas but also palestine islamichhad, so- gaza, including hamas but alsol palestine islamichhad, so there gaza, including hamas but also. palestine islamichhad, so there is any number— palestine islamichhad, so there is any number of— palestine islamichhad, so there is any number of flashpoint - palestine islamichhad, so there is any number of flashpoint that - palestine islamichhad, so there is| any number of flashpoint that could lead to— any number of flashpoint that could lead to a _ any number of flashpoint that could lead to a broader— any number of flashpoint that could lead to a broader conflict _ any number of flashpoint that could lead to a broader conflict which - lead to a broader conflict which really— lead to a broader conflict which really i — lead to a broader conflict which really i think— lead to a broader conflict which really i think many— lead to a broader conflict which really i think many in— lead to a broader conflict which really i think many in the - lead to a broader conflict whichl really i think many in the region are on— really i think many in the region are on edge _ really i think many in the region are on edge about. _ really i think many in the region are on edge about. sta?- really i think many in the region are on edge about.— really i think many in the region are on edge about. stay with us. let's bring _ are on edge about. stay with us. let's bring in _ are on edge about. stay with us. let's bring in the _ are on edge about. stay with us. let's bring in the panel, - are on edge about. stay with us. let's bring in the panel, leigh i are on edge about. stay with us. i let's bring in the panel, leigh ann and paul are still with us. leigh ann, how is this being viewed where you are? the ann, how is this being viewed where ou are? ,, ., , , you are? the united states is concerned — you are? the united states is concerned about _ you are? the united states is concerned about it, _ you are? the united states is concerned about it, says - you are? the united states is concerned about it, says that| concerned about it, says that nuclear— concerned about it, says that nuclear proliferation is a problem and that— nuclear proliferation is a problem and that they are... this is obviously— and that they are... this is obviously not a good thing, but i will say, — obviously not a good thing, but i will say, there is also the political— will say, there is also the political debate as well stop there was the _ political debate as well stop there was the iran nuclear agreement in 2015. _ was the iran nuclear agreement in 2015, and — was the iran nuclear agreement in 2015, and then something that the trun1p _
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2015, and then something that the trump administration pulled out of. that is— trump administration pulled out of. that is up— trump administration pulled out of. that is up to debate on if that had any sort _ that is up to debate on if that had any sort of— that is up to debate on if that had any sort of impact into what has happened — any sort of impact into what has happened today, but it is something that is— happened today, but it is something that is ongoing, that congress is still has — that is ongoing, that congress is still has not acted on on trying to move _ still has not acted on on trying to move forward and getting back into that agreement. so this has been a tough _ that agreement. so this has been a tough issue — that agreement. so this has been a tough issue for a long time and the state _ tough issue for a long time and the state department today says it is very concerning. palc state department today says it is very concerning.— state department today says it is very concerning. palc of a standoff with iran, threatens _ very concerning. palc of a standoff with iran, threatens to _ very concerning. palc of a standoff with iran, threatens to bring - very concerning. palc of a standoff with iran, threatens to bring in . with iran, threatens to bring in some any other countries —— paul, a standoff. that instability that is always keptjust in tech, could potentially tip overages on the more serious. . . potentially tip overages on the more serious. ., ., ., serious. yeah, and i have the worrying _ serious. yeah, and i have the worrying thing _ serious. yeah, and i have the worrying thing from - serious. yeah, and i have the worrying thing from the - serious. yeah, and i have the | worrying thing from the bridge serious. yeah, and i have the - worrying thing from the bridge point of view is we came so close to getting some serious progress on the iran nuclear deal —— the worrying thing from the british point of view. we hoped, until the trump
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administered in came along and some of the hardliners in iran took against it, that there was a glimmer of hope, that there could be a different medic solution, that there could be a way out of this, and i know that the british foreign office are still retaining hopes that could be revived somehow, obviously they don't want to be split from the us in terms of their alliance, but the hope that although president biden did say that that deal was dead, or caught on video saying it before christmas, it is not dead and that there is some hope, but the iranians are helping themselves by testing missiles like this, because that is separate from the nuclear programme, but it scares the hell of the west that it could be a vehicle for anything that is nuclear. flit that it could be a vehicle for anything that is nuclear. of course and, anything that is nuclear. of course and. collin. _ anything that is nuclear. of course and. collin. a _ anything that is nuclear. of course and, collin, a final— anything that is nuclear. of course and, collin, a final word _ anything that is nuclear. of course and, collin, a final word from - anything that is nuclear. of course| and, collin, a final word from you? saudi arabia showing growing influence in the region, offering to plate you, terry and all the conflicts there. we have seen some sort of approach —— offering to play mediator. a lot of hype around the
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chinese brokered talks. i am mediator. a lot of hype around the chinese brokered talks.— chinese brokered talks. i am a bit more sceptical. _ chinese brokered talks. i am a bit more sceptical. i've _ chinese brokered talks. i am a bit more sceptical. i've been - chinese brokered talks. i am a bit| more sceptical. i've been watching the region. — more sceptical. i've been watching the region. talk— more sceptical. i've been watching the region, talk is— more sceptical. i've been watching the region, talk is cheap, - more sceptical. i've been watching the region, talk is cheap, actions i the region, talk is cheap, actions speak— the region, talk is cheap, actions speak a _ the region, talk is cheap, actions speak a lot — the region, talk is cheap, actions speak a lot louder— the region, talk is cheap, actions speak a lot louder than _ the region, talk is cheap, actions speak a lot louder than words, i the region, talk is cheap, actions| speak a lot louder than words, so you'll— speak a lot louder than words, so you'll see — speak a lot louder than words, so you'll see where _ speak a lot louder than words, so you'll see where this _ speak a lot louder than words, so you'll see where this goes. - speak a lot louder than words, so you'll see where this goes. i- speak a lot louder than words, so| you'll see where this goes. i think diplomacy— you'll see where this goes. i think diplomacy is — you'll see where this goes. i think diplomacy is a _ you'll see where this goes. i think diplomacy is a good _ you'll see where this goes. i think diplomacy is a good particularly. diplomacy is a good particularly given— diplomacy is a good particularly given the — diplomacy is a good particularly given the sectarian _ diplomacy is a good particularly given the sectarian tensions - diplomacy is a good particularlyl given the sectarian tensions that dominate — given the sectarian tensions that dominate the _ given the sectarian tensions that dominate the region _ given the sectarian tensions that dominate the region so - given the sectarian tensions that dominate the region so long, - given the sectarian tensions that| dominate the region so long, but given the sectarian tensions that - dominate the region so long, but i'm not holding _ dominate the region so long, but i'm not holding my— dominate the region so long, but i'm not holding my breath _ dominate the region so long, but i'm not holding my breath that _ dominate the region so long, but i'm not holding my breath that this - dominate the region so long, but i'm not holding my breath that this is - not holding my breath that this is going _ not holding my breath that this is going to — not holding my breath that this is going to lead _ not holding my breath that this is going to lead to— not holding my breath that this is going to lead to peace _ not holding my breath that this is going to lead to peace in the - not holding my breath that this is i going to lead to peace in the middle east. ., ., , ., ., going to lead to peace in the middle east. ., ., ., east. colin, really good to have you with us, east. colin, really good to have you with us. colin _ east. colin, really good to have you with us, colin clarke _ east. colin, really good to have you with us, colin clarke there. - east. colin, really good to have you with us, colin clarke there. paul. with us, colin clarke there. paul and leigh ann, stay with us. you are watching the context on the bbc. if you are watching succession, we have an interview coming up. there are spoilers in there. much more on the news that the russian mercenary group wagner have claimed that they will leave the embattled city of bakhmut, they say they will hand out over two russian forces on june
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bakhmut, they say they will hand out over two russian forces onjune the 1st. he of those as it is still in control of parts of the city —— kyiv, though, says it is. you are watching the context on bbc news. hello there. it was nice and warm once again today where you had the sunshine, and most of scotland did see the sunshine. but it wasn't sunny everywhere — we did see some cloud developing, particularly across parts of yorkshire, that kept it a little bit cooler here. and there will be differences day to day over the next few days, in terms of the amounts of cloud. but this high pressure will be quite constant, keeping it dry just about everywhere. there'll still be some cloud as we head through the night in some areas, but on the whole, we'll see clearer skies developing and, with light winds, temperatures will fall away. and it could be quite chilly, particularly in eastern scotland first thing on friday morning. there will still be some leftover cloud first thing in the day, and through the day,
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we'll see cloud toppling into the north—west of scotland, bringing a few spots of drizzle. otherwise it should be dry and on the whole, elsewhere, more sunshine in the morning, more cloud building up and spreading out overland in the afternoon. now the far south of england and through the english channel may stay sunny, but only because it's likely to be quite windy here — and there'll be an edge to that wind, it'll make it feel chillier, as well. but where the winds are lighter further north, and we have some sunshine at times, temperatures will reach 20—21 celsius. heading into the bank holiday weekend, looks quite promising, dry for many parts of the country, but temperatures will be dropping as the weekend goes on. now we've still got high pressure sitting close by into saturday, but low pressure is moving away from iceland, squeezing the isobars tighter. the winds will get stronger in scotland and northern ireland, blowing more cloud, actually, and we'll see a little bit of rain in the far north—west. some cloud building up in northern parts of england and north wales. otherwise, plenty of sunshine to the south, and not as windy as on friday.
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our temperatures reaching a healthy 20—23 celsius, pleasant enough. it will be cooler in scotland and northern ireland. we've got the cooler weather behind that weak weather front bringing that little bit of rain — that moves away, and high pressure builds back in through the bank holiday weekend, but the cooler out moves down from the north. it looks like on sunday, we'll find after a reasonably sunny start, the cloud will build up in many areas, it should be dry, light winds for many away from the south and south—east. but temperatures dropping in northern and eastern areas of the uk, higher temperatures in the southwest. more sunshine, but cooler on monday.
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hello, i'm ben thompson. you're watching the context on bbc news. china dismisses claims by western intelligence that it's using hackers to spy on us critical infrastructure. we'll speak to a former director of operations at mi6. now to the latest row over cyber espionage — china has dismissed claims by the west that spying on critical infrastructure in the united states using hackers. the software giant, microsoft has weighed in saying that a chinese state—sponsored group, codenamed "volt typhoon",
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was looking at ways to disrupt critical communications between the us and asia during "future crises". on that, we are joined now by nigel inkster, he is currently a senior adviser for cyber security and china at the international institute for strategic studies. he was formerly the director of operations at the british secret intelligence service, commonly known as mi6. good to have you with us. lots of things i want to ask you here, first of all what do you make of these allegations? experts saying that it is one of the largest nuns cyber espionage campaigns ever against the united states, as i how you see it? yes it probably is. it is certainly no surprise that china is engaged in these activities. it is completely in line with their overall approach to cyber activities, a doctor and which argues that you have to get your glow in first in the cyber domain, so to speak, if you wait for
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your adversary to move, you yourself may find yourself being temporarily paralysed. i think the method makes sense in the context of rapidly deteriorating us china relations that we have been seeing for the last 2—3 years, growing tensions over taiwan and last 2—3 years, growing tensions overtaiwan and in last 2—3 years, growing tensions over taiwan and in that context, it is hardly surprising that china is preparing to cope with worst—case scenarios, in other words the possibility of a conflict either in the south tennessee or the taiwan street. direct conflict between china and the united states in which context, it would be in china's interest, powerfully, to disrupt us communications at least temporarily. i think communications at least temporarily. ithink ukraine communications at least temporarily. i think ukraine has demonstrated the fallacy of the cyber armageddon concept. things don't really work like that but cyber attacks can
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create delays and by time for a first mover to take advantage. lloathed first mover to take advantage. what do we know — first mover to take advantage. what do we know about _ first mover to take advantage. what do we know about what _ first mover to take advantage. what do we know about what potentially those hackers were looking for? is this just about disruption, causing problems or is about stealing data and information? it is problems or is about stealing data and information?— and information? it is not entirely clear but it _ and information? it is not entirely clear but it does _ and information? it is not entirely clear but it does seem _ and information? it is not entirely clear but it does seem as - and information? it is not entirely clear but it does seem as if - and information? it is not entirely clear but it does seem as if this i and information? it is not entirely clear but it does seem as if this isj clear but it does seem as if this is perhaps territory to doing damage in the event of a crisis. —— preparatory. obviously the two are linked. you cannot damage a network without first collecting intelligence on that network, understanding how it works and what it does and where the vulnerabilities are. so the two things are intimately linked. the difference between espionage and sabotage in the cyber domain is simply a few lines of code plus intent. but i think the intent is pretty clear in this case. we have
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robabl pretty clear in this case. we have probably oversimplified - pretty clear in this case. we have probably oversimplified in - pretty clear in this case. we have probably oversimplified in our . probably oversimplified in our instructions think these are hackers. what do we know about how they may have infiltrated and what sort of technology of using to be able to get in?— able to get in? they are actually usin: , as able to get in? they are actually using. as l _ able to get in? they are actually using, as i understand _ able to get in? they are actually using, as i understand it - able to get in? they are actually i using, as i understand it relatively low and but very effective techniques, using ordinary routers. the sort that you and i may use at home or small businesses may use in order to get into the edge of networks. where it is actually quite difficult to monitor what is going on and to identify hostile or malign activity. my charter than is if you go for the quarter which is a much more complex and sophisticated thing to do. —— much harder. so it is difficult for chinese tradecraft, a great deal of ingenuity and combined
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with techniques and of themselves that are not that sophisticated but still very effective. star; that are not that sophisticated but still very effective.— still very effective. stay with us. let's bring _ still very effective. stay with us. let's bring in — still very effective. stay with us. let's bring in the _ still very effective. stay with us. let's bring in the panel. - still very effective. stay with us. let's bring in the panel. paul, i this is nothing new in some respects we know that this goes on i suppose it is the specificity of what they are looking for and may be given the tensions are already so high on both sides. but this is a real worry is in it? i sides. but this is a real worry is in it? ~ sides. but this is a real worry is in it? ,, , , sides. but this is a real worry is in it? ~ , , ., in it? i think it is but what is encouraging _ in it? i think it is but what is encouraging is _ in it? i think it is but what is encouraging is for _ in it? i think it is but what is encouraging is for the - in it? i think it is but what is encouraging is for the first i in it? i think it is but what is . encouraging is for the first time in it? i think it is but what is - encouraging is for the first time we have seen— encouraging is for the first time we have seen a — encouraging is for the first time we have seen a big multinational microsoft worth an alliance with the five eyes— microsoft worth an alliance with the five eyes alliance in the five eyes alliances — five eyes alliance in the five eyes alliances is — five eyes alliance in the five eyes alliances is obviously the intelligence agencies of britain, australia, new zealand and canada and you _ australia, new zealand and canada and you have big corporation there who are _ and you have big corporation there who are basically working in tandem with them _ who are basically working in tandem with them to say, look, we found this and — with them to say, look, we found this and will fly get up. i was with that has— this and will fly get up. i was with that has caused some sort of risks to their— that has caused some sort of risks to their own— that has caused some sort of risks to their own reputation in china. they— to their own reputation in china. they may— to their own reputation in china. they may well be more of a target to the chinese — they may well be more of a target to the chinese for speaking out. but i think— the chinese for speaking out. but i think most— the chinese for speaking out. but i think most people, certainly in
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intelligence agencies will be slated that you _ intelligence agencies will be slated that you have a big corporate entity who is _ that you have a big corporate entity who is actually on board with making sure that _ who is actually on board with making sure that we are all alert to this. because — sure that we are all alert to this. because that is one of the biggest problems. making sure that businesses are fully aware and protected and can flag these things much _ protected and can flag these things much quicker and some in our intelligence agencies can. it is nothin: intelligence agencies can. it is nothing new- _ intelligence agencies can. it is nothing new. both _ intelligence agencies can. it 3 nothing new. both sides us internet accuse each other regularly of carrying out the sort of action. —— and china. but the fact that this five eyes data suggest that actually this time there is something that we should be worried about. something we should really be keeping an eye on in trying to eradicate. this we should really be keeping an eye on in trying to eradicate.— on in trying to eradicate. this has been an ongoing _ on in trying to eradicate. this has been an ongoing problem. - on in trying to eradicate. this has been an ongoing problem. one i on in trying to eradicate. this has i been an ongoing problem. one that 'ust been an ongoing problem. one that just continues _ been an ongoing problem. one that just continues. the _ been an ongoing problem. one that just continues. the government - just continues. the government agency— just continues. the government agency that— just continues. the government agency that oversees _ just continues. the government. agency that oversees cybersecurity and these — agency that oversees cybersecurity and these types _ agency that oversees cybersecurity and these types of _ agency that oversees cybersecurity and these types of things - agency that oversees cybersecurity and these types of things put - agency that oversees cybersecurity and these types of things put out i agency that oversees cybersecurity and these types of things put out a report— and these types of things put out a report earlier — and these types of things put out a report earlier this— and these types of things put out a report earlier this year— and these types of things put out a report earlier this year that - report earlier this year that labelled _ report earlier this year that labelled china _ report earlier this year that labelled china as _ report earlier this year that labelled china as being - report earlier this year that labelled china as being the| labelled china as being the broadest, _ labelled china as being the broadest, most— labelled china as being the broadest, most pervasive. labelled china as being the - broadest, most pervasive threat to cyber— broadest, most pervasive threat to cyber security _ broadest, most pervasive threat to cyber security of _ broadest, most pervasive threat to cyber security of any _ broadest, most pervasive threat to cyber security of any of _
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broadest, most pervasive threat to cyber security of any of the - broadest, most pervasive threat toj cyber security of any of the country in the _ cyber security of any of the country in the world — cyber security of any of the country in the world. so _ cyber security of any of the country in the world. so this _ cyber security of any of the country in the world. so this type - cyber security of any of the country in the world. so this type of - in the world. so this type of different— in the world. so this type of different type _ in the world. so this type of different type of _ in the world. so this type of different type of cyber- in the world. so this type of i different type of cyber warfare in the world. so this type of - different type of cyber warfare that is ongoing — different type of cyber warfare that is ongoing and _ different type of cyber warfare that is ongoing and there _ different type of cyber warfare that is ongoing and there have - different type of cyber warfare that is ongoing and there have been. is ongoing and there have been warnings — is ongoing and there have been warnings for _ is ongoing and there have been warnings for years— is ongoing and there have been warnings for years that - is ongoing and there have been warnings for years that this - is ongoing and there have been. warnings for years that this could absolutely— warnings for years that this could absolutely be _ warnings for years that this could absolutely be a _ warnings for years that this could absolutely be a major _ warnings for years that this could absolutely be a major disruptionl warnings for years that this could i absolutely be a major disruption to the united — absolutely be a major disruption to the united states. _ absolutely be a major disruption to the united states. infrastructure, . the united states. infrastructure, not only— the united states. infrastructure, not only digital. _ the united states. infrastructure, not only digital, but _ the united states. infrastructure, not only digital, but also - the united states. infrastructure, not only digital, but also physical| not only digital, but also physical infrastructure _ not only digital, but also physical infrastructure as _ not only digital, but also physical infrastructure as well. _ not only digital, but also physical infrastructure as well. and - not only digital, but also physical infrastructure as well. and so - not only digital, but also physical| infrastructure as well. and so this is something _ infrastructure as well. and so this is something that _ infrastructure as well. and so this is something that the _ infrastructure as well. and so this| is something that the government infrastructure as well. and so this i is something that the government is extremely— is something that the government is extremely focused _ is something that the government is extremely focused on. _ is something that the government is extremely focused on. but - is something that the government is extremely focused on. but it - extremely focused on. but it continues— extremely focused on. but it continues to _ extremely focused on. but it continues to be _ extremely focused on. but it continues to be an _ extremely focused on. but it continues to be an ongoing i extremely focused on. but it - continues to be an ongoing threat. nigel. _ continues to be an ongoing threat. nigel. a _ continues to be an ongoing threat. nigel. a final— continues to be an ongoing threat. nigel, a final thought _ continues to be an ongoing threat. nigel, a final thought from - continues to be an ongoing threat. nigel, a final thought from you. i continues to be an ongoing threat. i nigel, a final thought from you. you suggested it was not a particularly elaborate hack or with sophisticated technologies. how does the stuff still keep happening? it technologies. how does the stuff still keep happening?— technologies. how does the stuff still keep happening? it simply in art a still keep happening? it simply in part a function — still keep happening? it simply in part a function of— still keep happening? it simply in part a function of scale. - still keep happening? it simply in part a function of scale. the - still keep happening? it simply in. part a function of scale. the attack surface area, so to speak, is enormous. and it is very difficult to police it. it is rather like if
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you have a perimeterfence you have a perimeter fence that extends for 50 miles, it is much more difficult to police that than if it is just a few hundred metres. so that is what we are dealing with. there are so many ways of getting in that it there are so many ways of getting in thatitis there are so many ways of getting in that it is almost impossible, indeed in practice impossible, to complete seal off the systems. i think it is as simple as that.— seal off the systems. i think it is as simple as that. great to get your insi . ht, as simple as that. great to get your insight. nigel. _ as simple as that. great to get your insight, nigel, currently _ as simple as that. great to get your insight, nigel, currently the - as simple as that. great to get your insight, nigel, currently the senior| insight, nigel, currently the senior adviserfor insight, nigel, currently the senior adviser for sub insight, nigel, currently the senior adviserfor sub security insight, nigel, currently the senior adviser for sub security intern at the instructional institute for strategic studies. thank you for being with us. creating a popular tv drama is notoriously hard. making one in which every character is a truly terrible person is even more impressive. that's what the makers of succession have done. in just five years, the tale of a media mogul and his ruthlessly ambitious children — which ends on monday — has gained millions of devoted fans. brian cox plays the lead
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role of logan roy. he's been speaking to the bbc�*s amol rajan — and we must warn you that this interview contains a major spoiler for those not up to speed with the current series. he's had a lifetime of roles on stage and screen. sit on the floor. it's fun. but it's this role in succession that's given brian cox his greatest success. get down! logan roy, the media boss and terrifying patriarch. on the floor, boar. given this programme is airing shortly before the finale of succession, i think it makes sense to begin at the end. and this is where we cut to an enormous spoiler alert. we tell people that logan roy does die. was it strange leaving the production for a while, this production that had been such a big part of your life, such a big part of your mind? yeah, it was odd. it was an odd feeling. i, you know, i looked on it wrongly, wrongly, but i looked on it as a form of rejection.
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the series was created by british writer and producerjesse armstrong. he's delivered nearly 40 episodes and one of the most famous characters in recent television history. logan roy's menace is undeniable. i'm going to build something better, something faster, lighter, meaner, wilder. and i'm going to do it from in here where you are. did you have any leeway, any sway in saying tojesse armstrong, "i think maybe logan shouldn't die. i think maybe..." no, ididn't. there's no point going down that road, especially with somebody like jesse, because he's already made a plan, but he decided to make logan die, i think, ultimately too early. i mean, he made him die in the third episode. and, you know, i think maybe he could have died in about, i would have thought the fifth or sixth episode. i would have thought that would have been appropriate. it was bold ofjesse, and that's wherejesse's great. there's no question
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he's a writing genius. cox's passion and willingness to speak his mind has gone beyond the acting industry, with him now becoming one of the loudest voices in the fight for scottish independence. i had to readdress something. i think, what is wrong? why is it not working? and then i started to look at these islands, and then i started to look at scottish history and realising how scotland had been traduced time and time and time again and how constantly it was the poor relation, even though it contributed an enormous amount, but at the same time it wasn't free. let me push back impartially and firmly on what you're saying, because the proponents of the union would argue that there is nevertheless, for all the history you're talking about, there is something precious and sacred about the union and moreover, that it allows each constituent nation to be bigger than it otherwise would be, especially in a world where power is moving east. i don't agree with you.
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it's not my view, i'm impartial, it's not my view. my feeling is it's precisely that we are not being allowed to be who we are, and we haven't been. we've served, we've served and we've judiciously served at our own expense. and i suddenly realise, you see, i do believe we should be a union. i agree with that. but we shouldn't be a united kingdom. we should be a united federation. you can watch amol�*s full interview with brian cox on bbc iplayer. let's talk to paul and leanne. i don't know where to start. such an incredible show. the last episode stills, i really hope there are no spoiler alerts and you are up—to—date to the very end. such an amazing character, but there are of course those parallels with the murdochs. a lot of people watching it in mind, in mind, it is nota documentary. it it in mind, in mind, it is not a documentary-—
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it in mind, in mind, it is not a documenta . , ., ., ., ., �*, documentary. it is a drama. that's riaht documentary. it is a drama. that's riuht it documentary. it is a drama. that's riaht it is documentary. it is a drama. that's right it is a — documentary. it is a drama. that's right it is a drama _ documentary. it is a drama. that's right it is a drama but _ documentary. it is a drama. that's right it is a drama but there - documentary. it is a drama. that's right it is a drama but there are a. right it is a drama but there are a lot of similarities. especially, not just with the dynamics of the family but also with this season as well. atn, the fictional news organisation that they own in succession. there are a lot of parallels that happen after the 2020 election and after the role of the murdochs's fox news. so it has been a really fascinating take and some insight into, even though it is nonfiction, kind of how the other side, how these really wealthy power—hungry and powerful people may be act in some instances and live. bike is all in the introduction, it is about how you can create a whole series around people who are utterly unlikable. there is not one character and there you like but itjust overly watchable. it
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you like but it 'ust overly watchable.— you like but it 'ust overly watchable. , , ., . watchable. it is utterly watchable i have an obsession _ watchable. it is utterly watchable i have an obsession with _ watchable. it is utterly watchable i have an obsession with succession and i_ have an obsession with succession and i cannot wait for the finale. but what — and i cannot wait for the finale. but what is _ and i cannot wait for the finale. but what is interesting is how it is like the _ but what is interesting is how it is like the finest british and american collaboration since churchill and roosevelt because it has the british writers, _ roosevelt because it has the british writers, british dark humour, foul moutb— writers, british dark humour, foul mouth humour. and it is combined with the _ mouth humour. and it is combined with the clamour of america —— glamour~ — with the clamour of america —— glamour. and he had a eulogy not 'ust glamour. and he had a eulogy not just to _ glamour. and he had a eulogy not just to his— glamour. and he had a eulogy not just to his father but to the american capital of money that creates— american capital of money that creates freedom and etc and also you get the _ creates freedom and etc and also you get the downside how the rich and really— get the downside how the rich and really awfuljust like everyone else — really awfuljust like everyone else. and i think what is interesting is that brian cox often felt bereft of his character and kicked — felt bereft of his character and kicked off so early. he said that, after— kicked off so early. he said that, after all— kicked off so early. he said that, after all of— kicked off so early. he said that, after all of the work i have done i'm going — after all of the work i have done i'm going to end up as a new yorker ona carpet— i'm going to end up as a new yorker on a carpet of a plane. we
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i'm going to end up as a new yorker on a carpet of a plane.— on a carpet of a plane. we will talk some more in _ on a carpet of a plane. we will talk some more in just _ on a carpet of a plane. we will talk some more in just a _ on a carpet of a plane. we will talk some more in just a second - on a carpet of a plane. we will talk some more in just a second with i on a carpet of a plane. we will talk . some more in just a second with some of your stories in time for the panel in a second. but for now thank you. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. their name has long been associated with athletic excellence, bernie's johnny and alastair dominated the sport for year, johnny and alastair dominated the sport foryear, memorably johnny and alastair dominated the sport for year, memorably crossing the line in first and second place at the real olympics in 2016. nine years ago they set up their foundation to give children a first experience of the sport they love. it can be an expensive sport to get into if you want to do it competitively at the top level, but the foundation events it is not about that. it is about children doing fun, achieving an event in achieving something they thought they could never and it can be free so there are no boavista entry. schools are invited to events and
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support centres across the country purchased during get the mini triathlon experience. 50,000 children have now come through the programme. it children have now come through the programme-— programme. it has been fun, activities _ programme. it has been fun, activities with _ programme. it has been fun, activities with my _ programme. it has been fun, activities with my friends - programme. it has been fun, activities with my friends and programme. it has been fun, . activities with my friends and i really— activities with my friends and i really enjoyed it. | activities with my friends and i really enjoyed it.— really en'oyed it. i feel like i have really enjoyed it. i feel like i have done — really enjoyed it. i feel like i have done hard _ really enjoyed it. i feel like i have done hard work- really enjoyed it. i feel like i have done hard work and . really enjoyed it. i feel like i have done hard work and it. really enjoyed it. i feel like i - have done hard work and it feels good _ you're live with bbc news. now it's time for the panel... so let's say hello once again to the panel. let's start with your pick, this is general charles brown, making historyjust explained. he making history 'ust explained. he will making historyjust explained. he: will be the first blackjoints chief of staff in the united states history and he will work alongside secretary austen who is the first black defence secretary as well. to
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put in contest with thejoint chiefs of staff does is, the president top military adviser. he meets with the president often much more than the youth defence secretary. it offers advice on the defence department on military actions that are happening so he's going to play a very crucial role right now and what is happening in ukraine. and around the world, so this is the president had an event today at the white house in the rose garden, announcing his tech that has been known for some weeks. so it was a good day for the administration, the president and history making as well. . , ,., , the president and history making as well. . , , the president and history making as well. �* , , ., the president and history making as well. . , , ., ., well. absolutely. so from general charles brown _ well. absolutely. so from general charles brown was _ well. absolutely. so from general charles brown was talk _ well. absolutely. so from general charles brown was talk about - well. absolutely. so from general. charles brown was talk about flight sergeant peter brown. that is your pick. explain who he is and why today was a big day.— pick. explain who he is and why today was a big day. today was the funeral of flight _ today was a big day. today was the funeral of flight sergeant - today was a big day. today was the funeral of flight sergeant peter . funeral of flight sergeant peter brown — funeral of flight sergeant peter brown who is originally from jamaica. _ brown who is originally from jamaica, one of the last so—called pilots _ jamaica, one of the last so—called pilots of—
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jamaica, one of the last so—called pilots of the caribbean. a group of really— pilots of the caribbean. a group of really brave guys who worked for the raf and _ really brave guys who worked for the raf and flew in lancaster bombers over nazi _ raf and flew in lancaster bombers over nazi germany and risk their lives, _ over nazi germany and risk their lives, coming from jamaica tojoin in the _ lives, coming from jamaica tojoin in the war— lives, coming from jamaica tojoin in the war effort and died at age 96, almost front and marked —— under marked _ 96, almost front and marked —— under marked and _ 96, almost front and marked —— under marked and there was a big hunt because he did not have living relatives — because he did not have living relatives who did know him. in the newspapers both tracked on some distant _ newspapers both tracked on some distant relatives and basically, essentially created a campaign to -et essentially created a campaign to get real— essentially created a campaign to get real recognition. so he had a fitting _ get real recognition. so he had a fitting funeral today with effectively for military honours. lots of— effectively for military honours. lots of the military where there to pay their— lots of the military where there to pay their respects and members of the public— pay their respects and members of the public had to be turned away. it isjust a _ the public had to be turned away. it isjust a beautiful story the public had to be turned away. it is just a beautiful story about how hour of need this guy came from a part of— hour of need this guy came from a part of the — hour of need this guy came from a part of the thin empire to help us out and _ part of the thin empire to help us out and given that we talk about migration— out and given that we talk about migration earlier on today it is just the — migration earlier on today it is just the very best of the migration story~ _ just the very best of the migration story~ lt— just the very best of the migration sto . , �* , , story. it is ended it's interesting once again- _ story. it is ended it's interesting once again. the _ story. it is ended it's interesting once again. the similar - story. it is ended it's interesting once again. the similar sort - story. it is ended it's interesting once again. the similar sort of i once again. the similar sort of story that when he talked about his
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military service, he did it not in a boastful way. military service, he did it not in a boastfulway. it military service, he did it not in a boastful way. it was just something that he did, he got on with it and he did not want any praise for it. and it was quite a fitting tribute and that he got a bit of praise at last. ., , , ~' and that he got a bit of praise at last. ., , , ,, .,, last. completely. like those real war heroes _ last. completely. like those real war heroes are _ last. completely. like those real war heroes are the _ last. completely. like those real war heroes are the ones - last. completely. like those real war heroes are the ones talked i last. completely. like those real- war heroes are the ones talked least about _ war heroes are the ones talked least about and _ war heroes are the ones talked least about. and like people who served in special— about. and like people who served in special forces don't ever talk about it. just _ special forces don't ever talk about it. just as— special forces don't ever talk about it. just as i— special forces don't ever talk about it. just as i say, it seemed a really— it. just as i say, it seemed a really lovely moment and it is not 'ust really lovely moment and it is not just for— really lovely moment and it is not just for the — really lovely moment and it is not just for the military but for members of the public, the afro—caribbean community who turned out and _ afro—caribbean community who turned out and there were jamaican flags, union— out and there were jamaican flags, union flags — out and there were jamaican flags, union flags and it was just such a nice day — union flags and it was 'ust such a nice da . . , union flags and it was 'ust such a nice da . ., , ., ., ., union flags and it was 'ust such a nice da . ., , ., ., nice day. really good to have you both with us _ nice day. really good to have you both with us on _ nice day. really good to have you both with us on the _ nice day. really good to have you both with us on the programme i nice day. really good to have you - both with us on the programme today. really good to chat and thank you for being with us on the context. and just before we go — a big surprise for a high school class in florida this is the moment superstar ed sheeran turned up
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at the music department at middleton high school. the band are so focused, they don't even stop playing. ed gave them guitars, tickets to his show, and then treated them to a special classroom concert take a listen. i'm going to play a tiny concert now if that's ok. # for me # darling just dive right in # follow my lead...# how emotional they get watching him as well, love that. turning up as a surprise concert, ed shearon. much more on all of those stories we have been covering tonight on the contacts on the bbc website, we will be back to do all of this at the same time, same place tomorrow. whatever you are up to have a lovely day. thank you for watching. bye—bye.
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hello, i'm paul scott at the bbc sport centre. manchester united are set to qualify for the champions league next season. they've been taking on chelsea at old trafford needing just a point to secure a top 4 finish in the premier league. and united are 4—0 up with just a couple of minutes remaining, casemiro headed home the first after five minutes, before anthony martial made it two just before the break, finishing off a lovely united move. bruno fernandes converted a penalty after the break, before marcus rashford made it four after a defensive mistake from chelsea, his thirtieth goal
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of the season in all competitions. tottenham's search for a new manager continues after feyenoord boss arne slot ruled himslef out of a move to spurs. antonio conte left the club at the end of march and... ..they�*ve taken just 12 points from 12 games since they beat chelsea in late february. it's reported tottenham would have had to pay at least 20 million pounds to free slot from his feyenoord contract. the dutchman says he wants to stay at feyenoord to continue working on "what we created last year". there has been a serious fear that they were going to lose him. for the last two weeks we know from very good sources that there were talks between his agent and the tottenham hotspur people and it always going to look, but slot
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was going to leave with three of his assistance and it looked like the end of a campaign after winning the league in holland. feyenoord were not going to let him go for less than £20 million in that was really a major stumbling block for tottenham hotspur it's been a birthday to remember for geraint thomas. he's increased his lead at the giro d'italia to almost half a minute with three days to go. stage 18 was won by italy's flippo zana, but the main drama was amongst those trying to catch thomas. nick parrott reports. starting the day in the leader's jersey made it an extra special birthday for geraint thomas. he's now 37 and said before they got under way, "i'm still feeling good, still feel like i'm improving, and just enjoying my race." with one mountain stage after this one, time is running out for his rivals to catch him. with 18 miles to go, his ineos grenadiers team picked up the pace, trying to turn it into a race of attrition. as they started the penultimate climb, they were seemingly in control — but primoz roglic was clearly feeling good and come up with his
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team—mate, they went for it. thomas stuck with them, but almeda couldn't. the young portuguese slipped back and, as a result, conceded second place overall to primoz roglic. the slovenia finished seventh all day. the day ticked off. tomorrow the green stage. real hard finish and the hardest of the race. definitely not getting carried away. today was a good day, butjust keep doing the basics, it sounds boring but yeah. take climb by climb. the party is on hold for now but if he is still in pink come sunday on room his celebrations will be huge. the world number one carlos alcaraz could meet novak djokovic in the semi—finals of the french open. they're in the same half of the draw. alcaraz will face a qualifier in the first round. third seed djokovic plays american aleksandar kovacevic. the british number one cameron
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norrie has frenchman, benoit paire. defending women's champion iga swiatek, starts against spaniard cristina bucsa. second seed from belarus aryna sabalenka will face ukraine's marta kostyuk, wimbledon champion elena rybakina is still waiting to find out her first round opponent. meanwhile norrie is through to the semi—finals of the lyon open, the defending champion beat sebastian baez in three sets, he'll next face francisco cerundolo... who beat jack draper. the other semi will be between brandon nakashima and frenchman arthur fils. surrey have thrashed middlesex in their first vitality blast t2o match of the season at lord's. surrey were boosted to one run shy of 200 thanks to the curran brothers — sam and tom who both made half centuries. middlesex were never reallly in the hunt with willjacks and gus atkinson each taking three wickets as surrey won by 73 runs.
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still playing at old trafford, man united 4—1 up. united heading for the champions league next season. that is all the sport for now. hello there. it was nice and warm once again today where you had the sunshine, and most of scotland did see the sunshine. but it wasn't sunny everywhere — we did see some cloud developing, particularly across parts of yorkshire, that kept it a little bit cooler here. and there will be differences day to day over the next few days, in terms of the amounts of cloud. but this high pressure will be quite constant, keeping it dry just about everywhere. there'll still be some cloud as we head through the night in some areas, but on the whole, we'll see clearer skies developing and, with light winds, temperatures will fall away. and it could be quite chilly, particularly in eastern scotland first thing on friday morning. there will still be some leftover cloud first thing in the day,
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and through the day, we'll see cloud toppling into the north—west of scotland, bringing a few spots of drizzle. otherwise it should be dry and on the whole, elsewhere, more sunshine in the morning, more cloud building up and spreading out overland in the afternoon. now the far south of england and through the english channel may stay sunny, but only because it's likely to be quite windy here — and there'll be an edge to that wind, it'll make it feel chillier, as well. but where the winds are lighter further north, and we have some sunshine at times, temperatures will reach 20—21 celsius. heading into the bank holiday weekend, looks quite promising, dry for many parts of the country, but temperatures will be dropping as the weekend goes on. now we've still got high pressure sitting close by into saturday, but low pressure is moving away from iceland, squeezing the isobars tighter. the winds will get stronger in scotland and northern ireland, blowing more cloud, actually, and we'll see a little bit of rain in the far north—west. some cloud building up in northern parts of england and north wales. otherwise, plenty of sunshine to the south, and not as windy as on friday. our temperatures reaching a healthy 20—23 celsius, pleasant enough.
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it will be cooler in scotland and northern ireland. we've got the cooler weather behind that weak weather front bringing that little bit of rain — that moves away, and high pressure builds back in through the bank holiday weekend, but the cooler out moves down from the north. it looks like on sunday, we'll find after a reasonably sunny start, the cloud will build up in many areas, it should be dry, light winds for many away from the south and south—east. but temperatures dropping in northern and eastern areas of the uk, higher temperatures in the southwest. more sunshine, but cooler on monday.
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tonight — the uk's record migration numbers, after a decade of promises to bring them down. the population increased by more than 600,000 people last year — a figure that the government says is too high. i'll be taking a closer look at those net migration numbers and what lies behind them. and i'll be exploring the political debate _ and i'll be exploring the political debate to come, and crucially the
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trade-offs— debate to come, and crucially the trade—offs leaders here have to grapple — trade—offs leaders here have to grapple with.

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