clear spells and of us will have clear spells and temperatures around seven to 9 degrees. colder in northern scotland, sheltered lens could get close to freezing. tomorrow a fine day with blue skies to start off with but late morning we will hit that temperature and the cloud will start to spread out again across parts of yorkshire and around the pennines, probably into the midlands as well. the best of the sunshine across the south and west of the uk and here we will see the highest temperatures, the warmest spot is hitting 23 degrees. high pressure is still with us for the weekend but a weak weather front comes in from the north bringing spots of rain to northern scotland and quite chilly air working into the shetland isles, just 11 or 12 degrees here. away from that most of the uk on saturday will have higher temperatures, more sunshine and we should hit 23, may be 2a degrees. for a bank holiday

long weekend, both sunday and monday looking fine as well. what you will notice is the air will get cooler, so temperature coming down a few degrees but that said, we are talking about may sunshine and in the sunshine it will feel pleasantly warm. enjoy the long weekend if you have it. thanks, chris. and that's bbc news at ten. there's more analysis of the day's main stories on newsnight with victoria derbyshire which is just getting under way on bbc two. the news continues here on bbc one, as now it's time to join our colleagues across the nations and regions for the news where you are. but from the ten team, it's goodnight.

institutionally racist, sexist, misogynistic and discriminatory. that's the verdict on the uk's second biggest police force from it's own chief constable. what needs to change? less than a month after four former police scotland officers came on newsnight to expose sexism in the force the boss admits there is a problem. the longer i was there i started to see some horrific behaviour from my

senior officer. see some horrific behaviour from my senior officer-— senior officer. police scotland is institutionally _ senior officer. police scotland is institutionally racist _ senior officer. police scotland is institutionally racist and - institutionally racist and discriminatory.- institutionally racist and discriminato . �* ., abba's benny andersson and bjorn ulvaeus tell newsnight that there should be warnings on ai—generated music, and aren't impressed with chat gpt�*s attempt to write fake abba lyrics. but you are not there, it is so unfair, i am lost in this endless game. i unfair, i am lost in this endless came. ., unfair, i am lost in this endless iame_ ., ,., , unfair, i am lost in this endless came. ., ., unfair, i am lost in this endless came. ., ., ,. unfair, i am lost in this endless ame. ., ., , . .,, ., game. i would say that is clap. from m oint game. i would say that is clap. from my point of— game. i would say that is clap. from my point of view- — plus borisjohnson's former director of communications on whether he thinks his ex—boss can survive the conclusions of the privileges committee and new investigations by two police forces into potential rule breaking at chequers during the pandemic.

good evening. for a chief constable to admit his own force is sexist, misogynistic and racist, and notjust that, but institutionally so, is a significant moment in policing in this country. sir iain livingstone said it was imperative for police scotland to acknowledge the issues exist, in order for "real change" to happen. considering sir iain has been in charge of the force for the last six years, it's led critics to ask how much he is responsbile for that culture. earlier this month, four women told this programme of allegations of a "boys' club" culture at all levels of police scotland. sir ian's response marks a departure from the path followed by his counterpart at the uk's biggest force. back in march the head of the metropolitan police sir mark rowley accepted his organisation was racist, sexist and homophobic, but didn't agree it was "institutional" despite the findings of a year—long review by baroness louise casey.

so where does this leave policing in scotland, and if reform is needed what shape should it take? we'll discuss in a moment. first, kirsty reports from glasgow. scotland's first minister described today's announcement as monumental and historic. certainly it marks a critical moment in the decade long history of police scotland, an organisation formed in 2013 following the merger of scotland's eight former forces. following the merger of scotland's eight formerforces. after a damning eight former forces. after a damning report eight formerforces. after a damning report into the culture of his force, sir iain livingstone said things needed to change. it is the riaht things needed to change. it is the ri . ht thin things needed to change. it is the right thing to _ things needed to change. it is the right thing to do _ things needed to change. it is the right thing to do for _ things needed to change. it is the right thing to do for me _ things needed to change. it is the right thing to do for me as - things needed to change. it is the right thing to do for me as chief l right thing to do for me as chief constable to clearly state that institutional racism, sexism, misogyny and discrimination exist. police scotland is institutionally racist and discriminatory. publicly acknowledging these institutional issues exist in our organisation is

essential to our absolute commitment to championing equality and becoming an antiracist service.— an antiracist service. newsnight has reviousl an antiracist service. newsnight has previously reported _ an antiracist service. newsnight has previously reported the _ an antiracist service. newsnight has previously reported the extent - an antiracist service. newsnight has previously reported the extent of i previously reported the extent of the cultural problems inside police scotland. i spoke to four women who have spoken out about their experiences and said others still inside the force were too scared to speak publicly. you inside the force were too scared to speak publicly-— inside the force were too scared to speak publicly. you don't 'ust put a urievance speak publicly. you don't 'ust put a grievane in — speak publicly. you don't 'ust put a grievance in because _ speak publicly. you don't 'ust put a grievance in because the h speak publicly. you don'tjust put a grievance in because the minute i speak publicly. you don'tjust put a l grievance in because the minute you do that you have got a target on your back. do that you have got a target on your back-— do that you have got a target on our back. , ., ., , ,, your back. our investigation sparked ruestions your back. our investigation sparked questions for — your back. our investigation sparked questions for scotland's _ your back. our investigation sparked questions for scotland's new - your back. our investigation sparked questions for scotland's new first i questions for scotland's new first minister humza yousaf. newsnight has soken to minister humza yousaf. newsnight has spoken to women _ minister humza yousaf. newsnight has spoken to women about _ minister humza yousaf. newsnight has spoken to women about the _ minister humza yousaf. newsnight has spoken to women about the misogyny l spoken to women about the misogyny they face _ spoken to women about the misogyny they face while working in our police — they face while working in our police force. they say many are too scared _ police force. they say many are too scared to _ police force. they say many are too scared to speak out and many have been _ scared to speak out and many have been forced — scared to speak out and many have been forced to leave. is this the decisive — been forced to leave. is this the decisive action the first minister was talking about? | decisive action the first minister was talking about?— decisive action the first minister was talking about? i know from my engagement _ was talking about? i know from my engagement with _ was talking about? i know from my engagement with the _ was talking about? i know from my engagement with the chief - was talking about? i know from my l engagement with the chief constable iain livingstone how seriously he takes the issue of misogyny in pleasing and i know he has taken action to address that and he takes,

as do the government, very seriously any complaint raised against a police officer and the police must be held to account.— police officer and the police must be held to account. newsnight has since been contacted _ be held to account. newsnight has since been contacted by _ be held to account. newsnight has since been contacted by more i be held to account. newsnight has i since been contacted by more women who have told of their experiences inside the force. i who have told of their experiences inside the force.— inside the force. i was working monday to _ inside the force. i was working monday to friday _ inside the force. i was working monday to friday at _ inside the force. i was working monday to friday at the i inside the force. i was working monday to friday at the police | monday to friday at the police couege monday to friday at the police college with lots of access to very senior officers and regularly i would hear comments around who are you shacking that you got this job? you can hardly say to a chief superintendent, i don't know who else, sorry, sir, that was a bit sexist, i don't like it. when you are a young constable. i really think there is a whole culture of women are lesser, other, i am not sure what the right word is, but women are almost like an auxiliary part of the police. we need to have men understand that this kind of

boys' banter is harmful and it is degrading and it is disrespectful. ultimately i left, but, yes, i think it really knocked my confidence. it makes you question your value and your abilities.— your abilities. today's admission of institutionalised _ your abilities. today's admission of institutionalised discrimination i institutionalised discrimination inside police scotland, makes the force the biggest in the uk to make such a public acknowledgement. sir william macpherson in his 99 report into failures by the metropolitan police over the murder of black teenager stephen lawrence found the met to be institutionally racist, which he defined as the collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist

stereotyping. but current metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, has resisted demands to make a similar statement to iain livingstone's about his own force, despite acknowledging problems within its workforce. some question whether sir iain livingstone's statement alone is enough to bring change to the force. those outside police scotland, particularly observers, academics and researchers, have known about theseissues and researchers, have known about these issues for a longtime. and researchers, have known about these issues for a long time. in 2020 serious concerns around whistle—blowing were highlighted, and the treatment of minority ethnic officers in police scotland. in 202“ was involved in an inspection 20211 was involved in an inspection of police scotland' approach to training and is part of that i undertook a small survey which again highlighted serious concerns about

the organisational culture and the experiences of women and minority ethnic officers. it is an important first step, but it is clearly not enough. first step, but it is clearly not enou:h. ., , first step, but it is clearly not enouh, ., , , ., first step, but it is clearly not enouuh. ., , . , enough. today's statement comes a . ainst enough. today's statement comes against the _ enough. today's statement comes against the backdrop _ enough. today's statement comes against the backdrop of _ enough. today's statement comes against the backdrop of an - against the backdrop of an independent public inquiry into the death of a black man who died in kirkcaldy in fife in handcuffs after a violent confrontation with police in 2015. that inquiry is expected to last until next year. sir iain livingstone, due to retire in august, will by then have moved on. his statement today is a stark admission of the scale of the task of reform that awaits his successor. to discuss this in more detail, let's talk to human rights lawyer aamer anwar, vice chair of the independent review group for police scotland fiona matovu and chair of the scottish police federation david threadgold.

welcome. is it true that police scotland is racist, sexist and misogynistic in your view? i listened intently to the words of the chief constable this morning and i would say that organisationally the feedback that we have had from those men and women who are out there delivering a service in scotland has been overwhelmingly negative in response to the remarks that were made. by that i mean that the use of the phrase institutionally racist is one that has deeply offended and upset them and they do not recognise themselves in that way. that feedback is clear and unequivocal and i have made those representations to the executive today already. sir iain livingstone _ executive today already. sir iain livingstone himself _ executive today already. sir iain livingstone himself did - executive today already. sir iain livingstone himself did say i executive today already. sir iain livingstone himself did say his i livingstone himself did say his acknowledgement didn't mean that individual officers and staff were racist or sexist. he said he was proud of the force and he had confidence in his staff. he has reiterated _ confidence in his staff. he has

reiterated that _ confidence in his staff. he has reiterated that several - confidence in his staff. he has reiterated that several times, | confidence in his staff. he has i reiterated that several times, but that nuance in the delivery of the message this morning was missed absolutely and there is real potential that has damaged the relationship between the chief constable and those who represent the communities in scotland. [30 constable and those who represent the communities in scotland. do you acce -t that the communities in scotland. do you accept that some _ the communities in scotland. do you accept that some of _ the communities in scotland. do you accept that some of your _ the communities in scotland. do you accept that some of your members, | accept that some of your members, some officers in police scotland and potentially civilian staff are racist, sexist and misogynistic? i would be naive not to accept that. i think evidence through very high profile employment tribunal, through public inquiries, through the work that has been done internally with grievance and misconduct and performance make it clear that is the case. but i would stress the police service and the personnel within it come from within the communities and they are not immune to the challenges that the communities face. it has been said we will look at other areas around strengthening our procedures and the systems that are in place once members of the community come into the service to try and be more

proactive in the way that we deal with this, rather than reactive. but we have to understand, and an example i would give, would be the reintroduction of home visits went up reintroduction of home visits went up after the process. that is a logical thing to do but it comes at a cost. whilst i acknowledge the words that have been said today, each of the solutions potentially comes with a cost.— each of the solutions potentially comes with a cost. sorry, i didn't mean to cut _ comes with a cost. sorry, i didn't mean to cut you _ comes with a cost. sorry, i didn't mean to cut you off. _ comes with a cost. sorry, i didn't mean to cut you off. i _ comes with a cost. sorry, i didn't mean to cut you off. i will- comes with a cost. sorry, i didn't mean to cut you off. i will come. mean to cut you off. i will come back to you. let me bring in aamer. you say you are the first person to win a case against the police in scotland for a racist attack. that was in the 90s before police scotland was formed.- was in the 90s before police scotland was formed. ~ . ., , , scotland was formed. what happened to ou? i scotland was formed. what happened to you? i was — scotland was formed. what happened to you? i was a _ scotland was formed. what happened to you? i was a young _ scotland was formed. what happened to you? i was a young student, i i scotland was formed. what happened to you? i was a young student, i wasl to you? i was a young student, i was 21 years — to you? i was a young student, i was 21 years old _ to you? i was a young student, i was 21 years old and i was attacked by two glasgow police officers and my teeth _ two glasgow police officers and my teeth were smashed out. i was told this is_ teeth were smashed out. i was told this is what— teeth were smashed out. i was told this is what happens to black boys with knives and i was arrested on muttipie — with knives and i was arrested on multiple occasions over the course of four— multiple occasions over the course of four years and i won my case and

i of four years and i won my case and i was _ of four years and i won my case and i was the _ of four years and i won my case and i was the first person to win a case against _ i was the first person to win a case against the — i was the first person to win a case against the police for a racist attack — against the police for a racist attack and i am still the only one to have _ attack and i am still the only one to have won a case against the police — to have won a case against the police and _ to have won a case against the police and civil action for a racist attack _ police and civil action for a racist attack is — police and civil action for a racist attack. , ., ., ., ., ., attack. is it going to lead to real chan . e? attack. is it going to lead to real change? i _ attack. is it going to lead to real change? ithink— attack. is it going to lead to real change? i think it _ attack. is it going to lead to real change? i think it is _ attack. is it going to lead to real change? i think it is an - attack. is it going to lead to real. change? i think it is an extremely im ortant change? i think it is an extremely important moment. _ change? i think it is an extremely important moment. the - change? i think it is an extremely important moment. the family i change? i think it is an extremelyl important moment. the family are represent — important moment. the family are represent that the chief constable because _ represent that the chief constable because what he said is what the black— because what he said is what the black and — because what he said is what the black and asian community have known for decades _ black and asian community have known for decades. unfortunately the chair of the _ for decades. unfortunately the chair of the scottish police federation represents the past and it is disappointing in that there is no recognition. i have up—to—date never heard _ recognition. i have up—to—date never heard the _ recognition. i have up—to—date never heard the police federation defend and stand — heard the police federation defend and stand up publicly and talk about the abuse. — and stand up publicly and talk about the abuse, discrimination, the violation — the abuse, discrimination, the violation of human rights of their black— violation of human rights of their black and — violation of human rights of their black and asian officers, their female — black and asian officers, their female officers, the misogyny and racism _ female officers, the misogyny and racism. this is come from officers in their— racism. this is come from officers in their own — racism. this is come from officers in their own ranks and they have failed _ in their own ranks and they have failed to— in their own ranks and they have failed to do— in their own ranks and they have failed to do anything and that is

why we — failed to do anything and that is why we are in this position and the chief_ why we are in this position and the chief constable today has raised his voice _ chief constable today has raised his voice for— chief constable today has raised his voice for the truth but it is something the black and asian community and women have known for decades _ community and women have known for decades. . , , ., , decades. critics say it is a bit rich to hear _ decades. critics say it is a bit rich to hear this _ decades. critics say it is a bit rich to hear this from - decades. critics say it is a bit rich to hear this from sir iain| rich to hear this from sir iain livingstone now when he is about to retire and they point to him as being partially responsible for the culture. to being partially responsible for the culture. ., , ., ., ~ culture. to be fair to mr livingstone _ culture. to be fair to mr livingstone i _ culture. to be fair to mr livingstone i would i culture. to be fair to mr. livingstone i would rather culture. to be fair to mr- livingstone i would rather have a chief _ livingstone i would rather have a chief constable to have said it exists — chief constable to have said it exists. we have the denials of mark rateigh— exists. we have the denials of mark raleigh where you have time and time a-ain raleigh where you have time and time again inquiries find institutional racism — again inquiries find institutional racism and you have the metropolitan police _ racism and you have the metropolitan police commissioner living in cloud cuckoo— police commissioner living in cloud cuckoo land — police commissioner living in cloud cuckoo land totally deny it. i would rather _ cuckoo land totally deny it. i would rather have — cuckoo land totally deny it. i would rather have a chief constable to actually — rather have a chief constable to actually accept this problem. the issue _ actually accept this problem. the issue at— actually accept this problem. the issue at the end of the day comes down _ issue at the end of the day comes down to— issue at the end of the day comes down to rank and file, which is represented by the police federation of over— represented by the police federation of over 18,000 officers who time and time again— of over 18,000 officers who time and time again go into a kneejerk response _ time again go into a kneejerk response and failed to deal with

issues — response and failed to deal with issues i— response and failed to deal with issues. i represent a number of female — issues. i represent a number of female officers who have suffered horrendous misogyny and one of their complaint _ horrendous misogyny and one of their complaint is _ horrendous misogyny and one of their complaint is about the institution and the _ complaint is about the institution and the institutions that are supposed to support them, such as the federation, that failed to do so. the federation, that failed to do so if_ the federation, that failed to do so if you — the federation, that failed to do so. if you are dealing with that with— so. if you are dealing with that with your— so. if you are dealing with that with your own police officers, then what _ with your own police officers, then what hope — with your own police officers, then what hope is there for the members of the _ what hope is there for the members of the public? today there is hope because _ of the public? today there is hope because i— of the public? today there is hope because i know the communities were buoyed _ because i know the communities were huoyed hy— because i know the communities were buoyed by this because there is hope that our— buoyed by this because there is hope that our own children can walk out into the _ that our own children can walk out into the street and maybe one day we don't have _ into the street and maybe one day we don't have to tell our children to be don't have to tell our children to he fearful— don't have to tell our children to be fearful of the police, to actually _ be fearful of the police, to actually not ask for support, to be wise about— actually not ask for support, to be wise about a racist attack, and then to think— wise about a racist attack, and then to think you — wise about a racist attack, and then to think you may not get justice. this is— to think you may not get justice. this is testament to the struggles of many— this is testament to the struggles of many men and women and families who have _ of many men and women and families who have fought against racial violence — who have fought against racial violence and injustice, but also a testament — violence and injustice, but also a testament to black and asian police officers _ testament to black and asian police officers and female officers who have _ officers and female officers who have had — officers and female officers who have had to stand up over a number of years— have had to stand up over a number of yearsand— have had to stand up over a number of years and suffer the abuse, degradation and attacks. that was recognised today and that is an

important moment and it is time the federation _ important moment and it is time the federation woke up and moved with the times _ federation woke up and moved with the times. if they can't change, it is time _ the times. if they can't change, it is time for— the times. if they can't change, it is time for them to get out. fiona, along to some of what aamer was saying. visit possible to eradicate institutional racism, sexism and misogyny? i eradicate institutional racism, sexism and misogyny?- eradicate institutional racism, sexism and misogyny? i think at this stare sexism and misogyny? i think at this stage eradicating _ sexism and misogyny? i think at this stage eradicating is _ sexism and misogyny? i think at this stage eradicating is not _ sexism and misogyny? i think at this stage eradicating is not necessarily l stage eradicating is not necessarily going to be achieved at the rate at we are going but it is possible to start the journey to antiracism and i was nodding to his comments there because people like him and myself and others are the people of god are in scotland to understand institutional racism exists —— people of colour. it is important it is acknowledged even though we know

it will take along time to change and transform, it is absolutely important and today is a moment for people of colour that has been acknowledged, because if you can't name it you can't change it. in scotland we see so many organisations that are not prepared to name it, they have an attitude is there is nothing to see stop if you can't name if you can't change it and we need to start naming it. i have to stress institutional racism, it is structured systems that continue to perpetuate racism and don't allow for the progress of people of colour. we know and have been working with police scotland and the independent review group that polices police scotland's work and we know there was for example,

they shared their experiences and it builds experiences cannot be acknowledged, we do not understand that we have a problem and therefore institutional racism has to be acknowledged and i welcome that as somebody who has worked in antiracism for over ten years. for other forces. _ antiracism for over ten years. for other forces, the _ antiracism for over ten years. for other forces, the metropolitan police was mentioned and sir mark rowley, so far he has refused to accept his forces institutionally misogynistic, what the site that? i think it is of absolute importance. i can speak with them but what i can say and encourage them to do is look at their own force and what is happening and look at the world and how people experience racism within the uk and england and think about whether they are able to bring about change without acknowledging the experiences and lived experiences of people of colour, so when we are

talking about institutional racism it is of absolute importance that we are thinking about how that presents itself. if we know it has presented itself, we know we have seen people who have experienced it and therefore to continue to deny it and refused to acknowledge it, and not just them, other organisations. sorry to interrupt. it is not he is refusing to acknowledge it. sir mark rowley has said there are serious problems in the matter, we are psyching officers every single week, he told us on this programme, it is just he didn't want to use the term institutional stopped i would go back to david thread gold because i have to give him a right of reply to what aamer was saying. your police federation represents a passenger need to wake up because you get in the way of minority acne staff taking cases forward for top —— minority ethnic staff.

taking cases forward for top -- minority ethnic staff.— taking cases forward for top -- minority ethnic staff. what i would 'ust minority ethnic staff. what i would just correct — minority ethnic staff. what i would just correct is _ minority ethnic staff. what i would just correct is it _ minority ethnic staff. what i would just correct is it was _ minority ethnic staff. what i would just correct is it was there - minority ethnic staff. what i would just correct is it was there with i just correct is it was there with blood — just correct is it was there with blood officers in scotland the reality— blood officers in scotland the reality is _ blood officers in scotland the reality is we represent far fewer than _ reality is we represent far fewer than that — reality is we represent far fewer than that. he has used some very emotive _ than that. he has used some very emotive language and made some fairly sweeping statements of which i fairly sweeping statements of which i have _ fairly sweeping statements of which i have no— fairly sweeping statements of which i have no knowledge of his assertion i have no knowledge of his assertion i represent — i have no knowledge of his assertion i represent the post incorrect. i have _ i represent the post incorrect. i have been— i represent the post incorrect. i have been in this post as the chair of this— have been in this post as the chair of this organisation that represents 98% of— of this organisation that represents 98% of police officers properly somewhere around 60,000, and i'm very keen _ somewhere around 60,000, and i'm very keen to— somewhere around 60,000, and i'm very keen to engage aamer and the diversity— very keen to engage aamer and the diversity staff in scotland to deal with the — diversity staff in scotland to deal with the things that exist, not one second _ with the things that exist, not one second hubby said they don't although i'm not prepared to do with them, _ although i'm not prepared to do with them but _ although i'm not prepared to do with them, but it is worth having a clear understanding of the role of the scottish— understanding of the role of the scottish boys federation. canl understanding of the role of the scottish boys federation. can i 'ust ut scottish boys federation. can i 'ust put something fl scottish boys federation. can i 'ust put something to i scottish boys federation. can i 'ust put something to you i scottish boys federation. can i 'ust put something to you as i scottish boys federation. can i 'ust put something to you as well i scottish boys federation. can ijust i put something to you as well because a solicitor who represents three women who alleged sex discolouration

against police scotland said the federation, your federation advice not to take their cases forward, the solicitor representing them said to us women come to me, saying they are fighting to battles, one with police scotland and one with the federation. i scotland and one with the federation.— scotland and one with the federation. ., �* ~ ., . scotland and one with the federation. ~ ., . , federation. i don't know which cases ou refer federation. i don't know which cases you prefer to — federation. i don't know which cases you prefer to can _ federation. i don't know which cases you prefer to can comment - federation. i don't know which cases you prefer to can comment on i federation. i don't know which cases you prefer to can comment on the i you prefer to can comment on the specific— you prefer to can comment on the specific facts they were given but we will _ specific facts they were given but we will use and utilise a bank of solicitors — we will use and utilise a bank of solicitors across scotland who will givem _ solicitors across scotland who will givem lt— solicitors across scotland who will rive. .. , solicitors across scotland who will rive... ,, , solicitors across scotland who will rive... ,, . ., ., give... it is shocking the chair of the police _ give... it is shocking the chair of the police federation _ give... it is shocking the chair of the police federation doesn't i give... it is shocking the chair of. the police federation doesn't know about the cases that have been on the front pages of our national newspapers. those women were on newsnight, you watched them, i assume earlier on, it has been the talk of the town, women who have been systematically abused anti—moyo did and dismayed that against and have said as my clients who were female police officers said they received no support. we have black

and asian officers who say they have received no support. we have minority organisations that have been set up because they felt they received no support. we have the scottish police muslim association felt they have been very proactive and very supported today in the public statements they put out. you could barely get three lines out of the federation on twitter and what you actually had was the former chair of the scottish police federation, the language are used, there are tricky used and sweeping statements are used. police scotland already on its knees and now it is in the gutter, is actuated deal with institutional racism, the language to deploy when talking about the chief constable, the first trip possible in scotland when families and police officers are looking to him to modernise a service and to get forwards. the, him to modernise a service and to get forwards-— him to modernise a service and to get forwards-_ l i get forwards. a brief response. i wear of those _ get forwards. a brief response. i wear of those cases _ get forwards. a brief response. i wear of those cases but - get forwards. a brief response. i wear of those cases but i - get forwards. a brief response. i wear of those cases but i will i get forwards. a brief response. i | wear of those cases but i will not talk about — wear of those cases but i will not talk about them on television tonight _ talk about them on television tonight. the role of the spf is to deal— tonight. the role of the spf is to deal with— tonight. the role of the spf is to deal with these incidents once they

have occurred. my understanding of the debate — have occurred. my understanding of the debate tonight is how does the organisation and how does police scotland — organisation and how does police scotland fundamentally deal with the challenges that exist through the culture _ challenges that exist through the culture that exists within the organisation that i have never denied — organisation that i have never denied l— organisation that i have never denied. ., organisation that i have never denied. . ., ~ denied. i will leave it there. thank ou so denied. i will leave it there. thank you so much _ denied. i will leave it there. thank you so much for— denied. i will leave it there. thank you so much for your _ denied. i will leave it there. thankl you so much for your contributions. abba's bjorn ulvaeus and benny andersson have told newsnight that ai—generated music should have warnings on it. the pair who co—wrote hits such as mama mia, dancing queen and thank you for the music say people should be able to distinguish between tracks composed by songwriters, musicians, artists and bands and those which have been created by artifical intelligence techcnology. ulvaeus believes ai could have more of an impact on our lives than the internet. i spoke to them in a joint exclusive interview to mark the one year anniversary of the abba voyage show where ground—breaking technology

has created 2d versions of the four band members called avatars. sweden. spectacular landscapes, stunning architecture. the nobel prize. and abba. music: dancing queen. hello, london. to mark the one—year anniversary of the abba voyage show i've been given the only interview in the world with abba, well, half of them. hello. hello, victoria. hello, how are you? thank you for coming. come into our studio. yeah, this looks intriguing. it's a nice place.

i've been told that we should look in the bathroom. in the bathroom? yes, i know that's an odd thing to suggest, but... you know, it's because all the artists and the bands have been here and signed the walls. they sign the tiles. yes. so there we've got coldplay. that's. .. abba. that's you, abba. cat stevens was here. really? there has been a lot of people here, actually, but i don't know who. i don't run the day—to—day business. no, but this is a cool bathroom. this is the control room. so when you were recording voyage in 2021 you had anni—frid and agnetha there. yes. and you are mixing it in here? yeah, yeah. it's a bit messy in here because there's been activity in here. i know, apologies from newsnight.

piano music: money, money, money. it's the one—year anniversary of the abba voyage show. it took years to create. you describe it as a risk because you didn't know if people were going to come and see digital recreations of you. is it a gamble that has paid off? most certainly, yes. well, artistically, definitely. why do you say artistically definitely? because we achieved more than we could ever hope for, you know. seeing this happening after sort of four or five years of work in different areas and coming there, seeing the first preview and realised that the audience actually connected to what was on there, not like they were watching a movie but as if we were actually there, so that was great. you chose london to open abba voyage and you chose east london,

not far from the olympic stadium. why? well, london because it's our second home, you know, and also because of the infrastructure. it's all there. you say you employ around 75% of front of house staff from local boroughs, newham, waltham forest, hackney, tower hamlets. was that a deliberate policy? of course, and we want to employ 100% locally, but 70 so far. so we have a programme, the company that has set up an education system for people from the schools in the environment and they have had one go at it, i don't know, maybe eight weeks ago. 600 people came, 50 teachers, and they loved it. and they are learning about the whole x—effect systems,

they are learning about the sound systems, the lights, the communications, the automatic stuff. and these jobs are going to be so important for london. where do you want to take the show next? maybe something, one replica, in north america and maybe one in asia. there are talks but nothing tangible yet. i have to say i'd like to go to australia. it would feel good to come back there and say thank you, australians, for supporting us from day one. i mean, bruce springsteen is still touring, he is in his 70s. the rolling stones are still touring, they are in their 70s. eltonjohn is still touring, he is in his 70s, although this he says is his farewell tour. obviously we would like them to go on forever, that is not going to be possible, but can you see this technology recreating gigs in the future so that generations to come might be able to see bruce springsteen live?

i think that is quite possible and not only like abba voyage, but also ai driven so that they will actually be able to talk to the audience in real time and the illusion will be complete. do you think it will be a different experience if it was amy winehouse or woody houston or prince? tricky, right? how do you deal with that? because everyone knows they are not around any more so what would they say themselves about doing this? we can say yes or no to everything, which we have, so the audience know that we are behind this. in february, david guetta, a french dj did a gig and played what appeared to be an eminem track. he'd created it, he had done lyrics using ai, he had come up with eminem's voice using ai, half the crowd thought

eminem was actually there. this is the future rave sound. i'm getting awesome and underground. cheering. it could be happening already that fake abba tracks are being created by ai. are you ready for that? i think there will always be a problem with al music. why do you think we have been so successful? because it comes from people who mean what they are doing, who put their heart into it, and talent. if you don't have that, who is going to be interested in listening to what? and the regulators, as usual, are far behind and it's very difficult to regulate and know exactly what to do. i mean, you can train an al on an abba song catalogue in theory and then come up with abba songs and who is then the creator of those songs?

that is going to be for the regulator in the future to decide. can i just show you this really quickly? you may have seen this before. i'lljust come over here. this is chatgpt which obviously we all know about. if i put in here, "write a song in the style of abba about love and..." what? loss. no, because it will come up with brotherhood of man. love and loss. ok, verse one. "i thought i had it all with you by my side but then you walked away and my heartjust died. i searched for you in every crowd, i hear you calling out my name, but you're not there,

it's so unfair, i'm lost in this endless game." i would say that's crap. from my point of view. exactly. ok, so you think those lyrics are not up to much, but, i mean, that could create a fake abba track. # so let's sing thank you for- the music and the songs i'm singing. # thanks for all the joy they are bringing...#. i we live in a world now where art, music, lyrics, books, are being reappraised through the filter of the modern world. in that spirit i was struck by the fact that does your mother know in mama mia is sung by a woman. it's great. that woman at that time is singing that song. they are talking about changing the words in roald dahl�*s books

and stuff, i don't think so. leave them as they are, see them for what they are and for what time they were released. # waterloo, i defeated you...#. eurovision will be in sweden next year. 50 years, as you know, you don't need me to remind you, since you won it with waterloo. there is already a clamour for the four of you to reunite on stage in person, not the avatars. you want to make a bet? are you considering it? no. seriously? seriously no. no way. well, i don't want to. and if i don't want to, they won't go. it's the same for all four of us. if someone says no, it's a no. yeah. and, yes, that's how it works. you want to go? no, no, no. you are not even

going to consider it? no. 0k. we could celebrate 50 years of abba without us on being on stage. so you definitely won't get on stage to sing, but would you walk on stage together, the four of you? not me. so that means that... it is a no then, ok. can you rememberthe first time you met? yes. you can? absolutely. 1966? that's a long story. we were sitting under a tree playing beatles' songs. were you? so we said maybe we could work together because i knew he was writing songs for his band and he knew i was writing for my band. so, let's join forces and see what happens. you have known each other then for 57 years. have you ever fallen out? no, not really. we have had different opinions many, many times. constantly, i would say. yes.

but it doesn't matter because what we have achieved together keeps us together. why do you think this friendship has endured? probably because it started really as a friendship. we spent so much time together, we met the ladies as well, but also professionally because we never kind of stood still. we always wanted to write new stuff, write new things. and also we rarely meet. well, we meet, like, every week, but that's about work, but we don't socialise, we don't go out for dinner and visit each other�*s homes to have a drink. no, we don't. thank you very much for talking to us, benny andersson and bjorn ulvaeus, thank you for talking to newsnight, we really appreciate it. tak.

this time last year borisjohnson was fighting for his premiership. it was the day sue gray published her final report on partygate. 12 months on, he's still fighting for his political future. the privileges committee is due to report next month on whether he deliberately mislead parliament over lockdown parties, and now the met and thames valley police are looking at further potential breaches of lockdown because it's reported his ministerial diary revealed visits by friends to his grace and favour residence, chequers, during the pandemic. the man who was mrjohnson's director of communications for the last seven months of his premiership is guto harri and he's here. the latest episode of his podcast unprecedented is out today and it's about partygate. welcome. thank you very much. why, ou know

welcome. thank you very much. why, you know him — welcome. thank you very much. why, you know him well, _ welcome. thank you very much. why, you know him well, what _ welcome. thank you very much. why, you know him well, what is _ welcome. thank you very much. why, you know him well, what is he - you know him well, what is he thinking about this latest inquiries? at the moment it is some sort of hideous purgatory where there is no closure, no heaven, no hell, and i can't imagine there is anyone left in the whole of the uk whose mind hasn't been made up on party gate. all we are doing is raking over old coals again without any outcome, burning up energy, burning up precious resource and all of that. for him it is just he is stuck in this purgatory not knowing what the outcome is going to be. he has already lost a big job that he loved, he is no longer prime minister, the pain is not done. who minister, the pain is not done. who does he think— minister, the pain is not done. who does he think is _ minister, the pain is not done. who does he think is responsible for these latest developments? i think he feels there _ these latest developments? i think he feels there was _ these latest developments? i think he feels there was a _ these latest developments? i think he feels there was a lack— these latest developments? i think he feels there was a lack of- these latest developments? i think he feels there was a lack of due i he feels there was a lack of due process and how some allegations that were brought up were not put to him, they were put to the police and put in the public domain and before you know if there is another narrative that has got everybody worked up again. you

narrative that has got everybody worked up again.— narrative that has got everybody worked up again. narrative that has got everybody worked u- aaain. ., ., . ,, ., worked up again. you say lack of due rocess, it worked up again. you say lack of due process. it was _ worked up again. you say lack of due process, it was his _ worked up again. you say lack of due process, it was his lawyers _ worked up again. you say lack of due process, it was his lawyers who i worked up again. you say lack of due process, it was his lawyers who werej process, it was his lawyers who were preparing his defence for the covid inquiry who mrjohnson had given his ministerial diaries to, who thought perhaps there is some rule breaking here, we ought to do the right thing and they passed it to the cabinet office under the civil service code and they passed it to the police. everybody was following those rules. and then it is in the public domain without us knowing whether they are serious or not. i think it is in our interest, all of us, to move on from this. boris was prime minister last year and party gait and the police inquiry and sue gray's investigation, at this point surely we need to get back to looking at what has gone wrong with our politics. we have had four prime ministers in four years. we cannot build railway stations, we cannot build railway stations, we cannot build a power station, a lot of people because the dentist. i5 build a power station, a lot of people because the dentist. is it ficher people because the dentist. is it richer me to _ people because the dentist. is it richer me to say _ people because the dentist. is it richer me to say we have to move on

when you have got your podcast out today? it when you have got your podcast out toda ? , ., , ., , today? it is a good question, but i chose to make _ today? it is a good question, but i chose to make one _ today? it is a good question, but i chose to make one episode i today? it is a good question, but i chose to make one episode out i today? it is a good question, but i chose to make one episode out of| today? it is a good question, but i i chose to make one episode out of six about party gait. what happened last year with all the other things that were going on, the war in europe, the end of cobit, the cost of living crisis on set, they really impacted people's lives. 99% of the coverage was about party gait and it has become a national obsession and people can't let it go. the rest are desperate to talk about anything else, the things that really affect their lives. i else, the things that really affect their lives. ., ., ., their lives. i wonder if the ongoing inabili of their lives. i wonder if the ongoing inability of number _ their lives. i wonder if the ongoing inability of number ten _ their lives. i wonder if the ongoing inability of number ten to - their lives. i wonder if the ongoing inability of number ten to focus i their lives. i wonder if the ongoing inability of number ten to focus on j inability of number ten to focus on the business of government, which you have raised, is perhaps because you have raised, is perhaps because you are constantly firefighting crisis about the prime minister's capacity to tell the truth. i crisis about the prime minister's capacity to tell the truth.- capacity to tell the truth. i was not there _ capacity to tell the truth. i was not there when _ capacity to tell the truth. i was not there when these - capacity to tell the truth. i was not there when these events i capacity to tell the truth. i was i not there when these events took place, i was not there when the prime minister said what he did to the house of commons. he followed

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