hello. i'm carl nasman. we want to start with some breaking news. the white house and the republicans have agreed in principle to raise the us debt ceiling and avert a default. we're showing you live pictures of the capitol building here in dc. those negotiators, democrats and republicans, working through the night to get at least a deal in principle set. in the past hour, house speaker kevin mccarty speaking to reporters, saying the deal was, quote, "worthy of the american people" but more work needed to be done.

any deal will needs to be approved by a divided congress, with a vote expected on wednesday. mccarthy spoke in the past hour. ijust got out i just got out of over the president. i spoke to him twice today. after weeks of negotiations we have come to an agreement in principle. we still have a lot of work to do. but i believe this is an agreement in principle that is worthy of the american people. it has historic reductions in spending, consequential reforms that will lift people out of poverty into the workforce, rain in government overreach. there are no new taxes, no new government programmes. there is a lot more within the bill. we still have more work to do tonight to finish all the writing of it. i do want to take a moment, though, and thank gary graves and patrick mchenry for their work on this. and for all the work that we're going to continue to do. and i know you will have a lot of questions. i'm not going to take them tonight. out of

respect i to breathe our members about where we currently are. i expect to finish the writing of the bill, checking with the white house, and speaking to the president again tomorrow afternoon, and then posting the text of it tomorrow and then be voting on it on wednesday. but thank you for your time. and i think this is very worthy of the american public. alright, that was republican house speaker kevin mccarty speaking earlier tonight as he was briefing reporters. didn't take questions. he did think the two top negotiators on both sides as we now know that a deal at least in principle is that that would raise the us debt limit. let's see if we can bring in a tweet from the president, joe biden. kevin mccarthy had been feeding about this earlier. now we have one from the president himself, commenting on the debt ceiling deal. we can bring that in. but the president had been fighting hard to make sure that there were no work requirements for

federal aid, were no work requirements for federalaid, included, in the deal. it appears he may have gotten a lot of what he was looking for. we should have a tweet. there it is. this came in from the presidentjust moments ago. a long tweet, he says:

of course, we have heard from the us treasury that they have until aboutjune five until the us would be unable to pay its debts. i want to bring in our north america correspondent jess parker who has been following the tests and turns as negotiations have taken place over the past days and weeks and months and it looks like we do at least have a framework for a deal in place. what is the latest you are hearing right now?- what is the latest you are hearing right now? both sides cominu hearing right now? both sides coming out — hearing right now? both sides coming out the _ hearing right now? both sides coming out the first _ hearing right now? both sides coming out the first house - coming out the first house speaker kevin mccarthy, and now president biden, in what must be a record—breaking lengthy tweet there. be a record-breaking lengthy tweet there.— be a record-breaking lengthy tweet there. the president can tweet there. the president can tweet as long _ tweet there. the president can tweet as long as _ tweet there. the president can tweet as long as he _ tweet there. the president can tweet as long as he wants, - tweet there. the president can tweet as long as he wants, i i tweet as long as he wants, i think. no character limit. they have reached _ think. no character limit. they have reached a _ think. no character limit. they have reached a deal. - think. no character limit. they have reached a deal. we have| have reached a deal. we have been hearing rumours all day that there were maybe getting close, and it felt like we were closer than in previous days and weeks as well. what seems to have happened is they have agreed to some spending cuts. that was a republican demand

from the outset. what president biden and the white house working to do was to protect their court sort of spending programmes and projects, the inflation reduction act, for example. joe biden, i think, both of them out to sell the deal. we will have to wait for the details in order to see exactly what they have agreed. but crucially what we're hearing is that it is a two—year deal. hearing is that it is a two-year deal.- hearing is that it is a two-year deal. hearing is that it is a two- ear deal. ., ., ., ~ two-year deal. that would take us to 2024- _ two-year deal. that would take us to 2024. that _ two-year deal. that would take us to 2024. that would - two-year deal. that would take us to 2024. that would push i two-year deal. that would take us to 2024. that would push us past the deadline for the next election, wouldn't it? fix, past the deadline for the next election, wouldn't it?- election, wouldn't it? a big win for the _ election, wouldn't it? a big win for the white _ election, wouldn't it? a big win for the white house - election, wouldn't it? a big - win for the white house because joe biden, what he wouldn't have wanted is to be in this exact same situation as you are heading straight into a presidential race. so that is certainly i think i went for him. we haven't had on that yet. ——a win. him. we haven�*t had on that yet. ——a win. non— him. we haven't had on that yet. ——a win. non— defence spending was a roughly flat, some changes to medicaid, may be some changes to food stamps. it will be a detailed, textured

deal where both sides will have had to have given a bit and gained a bit as the deal was done. ., u, gained a bit as the deal was done. ., u, ., done. you can hear it in the wording _ done. you can hear it in the wording of _ done. you can hear it in the wording of the _ done. you can hear it in the wording of the tweet, - done. you can hear it in the wording of the tweet, the i wording of the tweet, the president is saying that everyone will be happy with the deal. you could hear it a bit from kevin mccarthy as well. it seems to be that those tend to be the kind of deals that may stand a chance at being passed because if nobody is happy, then maybe that is the actual middleground you can find. so as we were saying, this isn't the end of the road, right? there are still some steps to be cleared. there are still some steps to be cleared-— there are still some steps to be cleared. . . , , , be cleared. crucial steps. next stes, be cleared. crucial steps. next steps, obviously, _ be cleared. crucial steps. next steps, obviously, we _ be cleared. crucial steps. next steps, obviously, we should i steps, obviously, we should have some details and lawmakers should get those details as well. they will want to pour over them. what kevin mccarthy suggested i think was a vote in the house on wednesday and then presumably would go to the senate after that. as you say, both sides, they want to get this deal through now. and they will be hoping that while i think there is certainly an acceptance that not everybody will vote for this deal, they will vote for this deal, they will hope that there are enough people in the middle portion,

away from maybe the freedom caucus or some members of the freedom caucus in the republican party and more left—wing members ofjoe biden�*s party, but hoping that enoughin biden�*s party, but hoping that enough in the middle can support this to avoid what many people describe as a potentially catastrophic default that isn't that far away. default that isn't that far awa . ., ., , default that isn't that far awa , ., ., , ., default that isn't that far awa. ., ., , away. that would be a june five deadhne away. that would be a june five deadline that _ away. that would be a june five deadline that had _ away. that would be a june five deadline that had been - away. that would be a june five deadline that had been movedl away. that would be a june five l deadline that had been moved up from around june one. as you mentioned, this will now have to go to the lawmakers. they are starting to get the details of the same time we are. they have been given 72 hours to read through the bill where we are expecting a vote to take place on capitol hill on wednesday. but we don't know, of course, how they will play out. they will need to be a majority in both houses and, of course, like you mentioned, they have to convince not only they have to convince not only the democratic lawmakers but also republican lawmakers to get on board. we will have to see what kind of reaction we get from those potential on the far side of either party, the

republicans pushing i think for broader spending cuts in this deal. it doesn't look like these are deep spending cuts. essentially almost a spending freeze for the next two or three years. and democrats will be looking hard at what types of requirements were attached to any sorts of federal aid programmes. those appear to be redlines for the president. we know that they spoke earlier today on the phone. kevin mccarthy and joe biden, and we know they will be speaking again. thank you for reporting through this long night and this long weekend, jess parker. thank you for bringing us upto—date. we can get more on this framework deal that we are hearing coming out of capitol hill. joining me live is leigh ann caldwell, a political reporter for the washington post, as well asjoel rubin, who served in the obama administration as deputy assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs. i would like to thank both of

you forjoining us at this late hour on what is a holiday memorial day weekend here in the united states. many lawmakers thought they would be getting the weekend. it doesn't sound like that will be happening. we appreciate you forjoining us. i want to start off by asking each of you and maybe starting with you, leigh ann, what was your reaction when you started to hear the details that might be in this framework agreement? well, we're still _ framework agreement? well, we're still going _ framework agreement? well, we're still going through - framework agreement? well, we're still going through the l we're still going through the details in to figure out what it actually means impracticality and, you know, was this litigation is written. —— once this legislation is written. it a fairly good deal for the democrats. emigrants had been resisting for months even negotiating to lift the debt limit, seems to be done with no negotiations, that there should be a separate conversation about the trajectory of spending in this country but not tied to the

debt limit. they ended up having to negotiate the spending in this country tied to the debt limit. and the cuts that we, as far as we can tell, in both domestic spending and — is not nearly as much as republicans wanted. republicans also wanted an increase in defence spending. and it seems to be holding flat for another year. there are all sorts of other details, including, you know, work requirements for people who are on social safety net programmes. there seems to be a split here. republicans got some additional work requirements. we are trying to figure out exactly how that would work. but the democrats really push back on what requirements for low income people who received health insurance, on the medicaid

programme, that wasn't included, and that was a big red line for the president. so we're still going through the details, but at first look it looks to be a relatively better deal for republicans, looks to be a relatively better dealfor republicans, but looks to be a relatively better deal for republicans, but both parties are really going to have to sell this to their members, to cobble together the 218 votes in the house, for it to pass. 218 votes in the house, for it to ass. , ., , ,, 218 votes in the house, for it to ass. , ., , , to pass. joel rubin, you served in the obama _ to pass. joel rubin, you served in the obama administration. l in the obama administration. what is your initial sense about which side might have gotten the better deal? look, carl, my initial— gotten the better deal? look, carl, my initial reaction - gotten the better deal? look, carl, my initial reaction is - carl, my initial reaction is this is a really big waste of time. kevin mccarthy created a dynamic that was unnecessary, a false — a false crisis. a debt ceiling is about paying past bills. the idea that somehow, as one of his members said earlier in the week, that they were going to shoot the

hostage, meaning the american people and our economy, in order to get extreme physical restrictions that are not part of this negotiation but part of an appropriations process, which isjust ludicrous. i'm relieved that president biden was able to talk some reason into kevin mccarthy. kevin mccarthy saw the politics of this. and this is turning in a direction where he was going to be looking very much like the one who was going to take the american economy, especially with his members speaking the weight they did. and don't be surprised if they speak that way next week any vote on the house floor, when many members may begin to threaten fake kevin mccarthy's speakership to prevent passing of the bill. disappointing this is happened, but i'm glad we have a way forward and this can be punted at least so that after the 2025

election, when hopefully the democrats or when the majority and not have to worry about this kind of manufactured prices again. fit, this kind of manufactured prices again.— this kind of manufactured ricesauain. ., , prices again. a lot to be seen. a big election _ prices again. a lot to be seen. a big election coming - prices again. a lot to be seen. a big election coming up. - prices again. a lot to be seen. a big election coming up. thisj a big election coming up. this isjust a framework a big election coming up. this is just a framework deal. we need to see what the reactions will be from lawmakers who are starting to get the details being briefed just in the last few minutes, actually, by republicans bigger kevin mccarthy, on a conference call. i want to read some reaction that we are getting in from lawmakers. this is coming from the freedom caucus. it is a group generally considered to be the most conservative wing of the republican party, this coming from congressman bob good. he says "i hear the deal is for a $4 trillion increase in the debt limit. if that is true, i don't need to hear anything else. nobody claiming to be a conservative could justify a yes vote." leigh ann, we have been talking about the difficulties on the extreme sides of both parties. what you make of what we're hearing from some of the more far right

members the republican party? reactions are starting to come in. but bob good is somebody i didn't expect to support this. and there is a whole host of members. i would actually be shockedif members. i would actually be shocked if any members of the freedom caucus, there might be a couple who do support this, but i think that republican leadership went into this knowing that the freedom caucus, there are about three dozen of them, they probably aren't gettable in the situation anyway. when republicans decided to force the administration to negotiate on the debt limit by tying it to government spending, the freedom caucus was always saying that the bill that the republican past that cut spending like you said by $4 trillion over ten years is their bottom line. that is what needs to be agreed to. most

republicans have been saying, well, this isjust our opening offer. and so there was really a disconnect there between the freedom caucus and most in the republican party but then there is also questions about who in the democrats are going to support it, or who is not going to support it. but i think that, you know, republicans have historically been much more resistant to lifting the debt limit. and so it will be a much harder task for kevin mccarthy and his leadership team to try to sell this to them. he has said that he wants to get a majority of his conference to vote for it. and that seems like a pretty tough task at this point.— task at this point. joel, how about yom _ task at this point. joel, how about you. please, - task at this point. joel, how about you. please, go - task at this point. joel, how i about you. please, go ahead. under donald trump, democrats voted _ under donald trump, democrats voted three times to lift the

debt— voted three times to lift the debt ceiling and threatened to destroy— debt ceiling and threatened to destroy the destroy the american economy to get tax increases — american economy to get tax increases for the top 1% of taxpayers so i agree with leanne. _ taxpayers so i agree with leanne, i think there is going to be — leanne, i think there is going to be a — leanne, i think there is going to be a lot _ leanne, i think there is going to be a lot of democrats who are going _ to be a lot of democrats who are going to vote for this and support— are going to vote for this and support president biden and remind _ support president biden and remind the american people which — remind the american people which party wants to govern and which _ which party wants to govern and which party wants to govern and which party wants to destroy the system that we have... will there be the system that we have... ii there be democrats out there, joel there be democrats out there, joel, would there be some democrats out there that would be happy with what they are seeing in this agreement? two absolutely. without a doubt, there is a jug of democrats that i did disappointed that biden didn't go as far as he could. �* , . ., , ., could. and use the clause to seek and _ could. and use the clause to seek and will _ could. and use the clause to seek and will unilaterally - seek and will unilaterally raise _ seek and will unilaterally raise the debt limit. the president says there is a concern _ president says there is a concern and there is not enough time _ concern and there is not enough time to— concern and there is not enough time to use _ concern and there is not enough time to use that. there is going _ time to use that. there is going to _ time to use that. there is going to be grumbling but it sounds _ going to be grumbling but it sounds like the core of the biden—

sounds like the core of the biden agenda, the student loan forgiveness, protecting social security — forgiveness, protecting social security medicare, those are solid — security medicare, those are solid and _ security medicare, those are solid and if those are solid you — solid and if those are solid you are _ solid and if those are solid you are going to see democrats io you are going to see democrats go less. _ you are going to see democrats go less. the problem in this equation _ go less. the problem in this equation from a progressive democratic perspective is not joe biden, it is kevin mccarthy. joe biden, it is kevin mccarthy-— joe biden, it is kevin mccarth . ., �* , joe biden, it is kevin mccarth . ., �*, . . mccarthy. leanne, let's circle back because _ mccarthy. leanne, let's circle back because there _ mccarthy. leanne, let's circle back because there are - mccarthy. leanne, let's circle back because there are still i back because there are still details to be worked out and we only have a few of the details now in front of us are looking ahead, we have to see a certain number of democrats and republicans getting on board. if you had to predict what we might see on wednesday because there are also ways that some lawmakers can slow down the process and bring us even closer to the june five deadline. do you closer to thejune five deadline. do you think closer to the june five deadline. do you think there are enough lawmakers out there that are happy enough asjoel was saying with this deal that this might get done on

wednesday? i this might get done on wednesday?— this might get done on wednesda ? _ ., wednesday? i will say that there is some _ wednesday? i will say that there is some concern - wednesday? i will say that i there is some concern about wednesday? i will say that - there is some concern about the 72 hour — speaker of the house mccarthy made a lot of commitments including bringing bills to the floor that a majority of his majority, a majority of his majority, a majority of his conference support and also that there has to be 72 hour waiting period before the legislation is released until there is a vote. there is some concern among people that that just allows time for people to hear from interest groups, to hearfrom people who don't like this bell and really derail it. and so while there is this principle on agreement, they still have to finalise the legislative text, they have to finalise, they have to find the votes and they have to find the votes and they have to keep those people on board. until this vote takes place. they are going to want to take place as, you know,

they can't hold the vote as soon as they have the votes, they're going to have to wait they're going to have to wait the 72 hours and so there is some concern there but, you know, i do think, and this is just a prediction because i'm not a web counterjust knowing the republican and democratic very well, i know it is going to be a majority of democrats who push this over the finish line and as mccarthy —— is mccarthy willing to move in that direction and allow this bill to pass with mostly democrats? i could be totally proven wrong and he could sell this really well to his conference and they could come on board but it is risky for mccarthy moving ahead. joel, i want to give — mccarthy moving ahead. joel, i want to give you _ mccarthy moving ahead. joel, i want to give you one _ mccarthy moving ahead. joel, i want to give you one more - want to give you one more question here, regarding president biden himself, he cut his short —— cut his trip to asia but short and he wanted to concentrate on getting a debt neal dunn. then set off a camp david and has been making a few phone calls, of course with

mccarthy, what is your sense on the role that the president actually ended up playing in these negotiations? the principle _ these negotiations? the principle is _ these negotiations? the principle is the - these negotiations? the principle is the principal. all the team _ principle is the principal. all the team around him is his staff— the team around him is his staff and _ the team around him is his staff and he was applied and engaged the whole time. it was very unfortunate that he had to come _ very unfortunate that he had to come back from the g7 directly rather— come back from the g7 directly rather than go to papua new guinea — rather than go to papua new guinea and engage our allies in the pacific that we need in the fight _ the pacific that we need in the fight in — the pacific that we need in the fight in dealing with china in that— fight in dealing with china in that whole area. he had to come back, _ that whole area. he had to come back, he — that whole area. he had to come back, he showed his leadership and dealt — back, he showed his leadership and dealt with government —— governor— and dealt with government —— governor mccarthy and i think he has — governor mccarthy and i think he has been applied and on the phone — he has been applied and on the phone the whole time. remember, this is— phone the whole time. remember, this is a _ phone the whole time. remember, this is a man who spent 50 years— this is a man who spent 50 years now roughly between the senate — years now roughly between the senate and vice president negotiation with congress and he knows how the rhythm of these — he knows how the rhythm of these negotiations go so without a doubt he was very engaged. it looks like it has paid — engaged. it looks like it has paid off _ engaged. it looks like it has aid off. ,, ., engaged. it looks like it has aidoff. ,, ., ., paid off. looks like we have a deal in place _ paid off. looks like we have a deal in place and _ paid off. looks like we have a deal in place and in _ paid off. looks like we have a deal in place and in the - paid off. looks like we have a deal in place and in the next.

deal in place and in the next 72 hours it will be very interesting indeed. joe rubin who served with president obama as the deputy assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs. take you so much to both forjoining us on this memorial day weekend. i want to bring you a bit more context now and this is reporting coming in from cbs because �*s correspondent ed o'keefe on a zuma meeting between the white house and house democrats. the white house is working on a call with senior staff and doing outreach to key house democratic members. we also know that biden called of coursejeffries and chuck schumer before the final word of the tentative agreement broke, this is a zoom meeting that took place at 5pm it will take place on sunday at 5pm so tomorrow. it is key to get as many democrats and republicans on board if they do want to get a tentative deal,

what is now tentative, if they want the votes to get that passed on capital hill on wednesday. let's turn to ukraine where a fresh air attack on kyiv has left at least one dead and a further three injured. the city's mayor vitali klitschko says around 20 russian explosive drones had been eliminated, but that a fresh wave is heading towards the capital. russia has stepped up its attacks on kyiv over the past month, using barrages of drones and missiles in an attempt to overwhelm the city's defences. this latest attack comes as one of the country's most senior security officials says ukraine is ready to begin it's long—awaited counter—offensive. oleksiy danilov, the secretary of ukraine's national security and defence council, has been speaking exclusively to our diplomatic correspondent, james landale. this is what's left of bakhmut in eastern ukraine. images filmed by russian forces of the ruins they now largely control.

mercenaries from the wagner group claim they're withdrawing, being replaced by regular russian troops. but ukraine insists its forces are still engaged on the ground in the outskirts, as the country's most senior security official told us. translation: we control 'ust a small part of the city, i and we admit that. but you have to keep in mind that bakhmut has played a big role in this war. are the wagner mercenary group withdrawing, as their leader, prigozhin, says? translation: yes, that is happening. l but it doesn't mean that they will stop fighting us. they're going to concentrate more on other fronts. our intelligence is following that. we understand where they will appear next. they are regrouping to other free locations and we're following that. voiceover in ukrainian

and all the while, ukraine is preparing a counter—offensive. this propaganda video broadcast by military commanders to raise morale and encourage what they called a decisive offensive. but when might it begin? translation: we will figure out when - that will start so that we can have the best result at that point of war. it could happen tomorrow, the day after tomorrow or in a week. it would be strange if i were to name dates or the start of that or another event. that cannot be done. but you're ready. translation: we're always ready. - the same as we were ready to defend our country at any time. and it is not a question of time. we have to understand that that historical opportunity that is given to us by god, to our country, we cannot lose. so we can truly become an independent, big european country. but until that happens, ukraine will remain vulnerable

to attacks like this. a hospital in dnipro destroyed by a russian missile that air defences this time failed to stop. james landale, bbc news, kyiv. a quick rehab after breaking news coming in that the democrats and principal —— and —— the democrats and republicans have agreed to the debt seal. it would raise the bar limit and they would be some cuts to federal spending, about $650 billion over the next decade according to the new york times and there does appear to be something in there for both sides so we are hearing some news and some tweets from republicans don't appear to be happy, they wanted deeper cuts and we will be

seeing some of these details begin to leak out as we are expecting a vote on capital hill coming up in the next 72 hours. stay with us here on bbc news. hello there. it really was a gorgeous day today across england and wales, lots of sunshine around. temperatures in west yorkshire reached 24.3 celsius, making it the warmest day of the year so far. in northern ireland and scotland we saw more cloud for a while, producing one of two spots of rain. that was mainly due to a very weak weather front — that's heading its way out into the north sea. following on from that, we've got some cooler air coming around our area of high pressure from the north, so temperatures for many of us will be a little bit lower on sunday.

we start quite chilly where we've got the clearer skies across eastern areas of scotland. temperatures here could be close to freezing in one or two places. there is more cloud coming into the north—west mind you, and we've got that cloud affecting some eastern parts of england and into the north sea. there will be some sunshine at times in scotland and northern ireland. the cloud coming and going, particularly in the north—west, and with the north—easterly breeze across eastern england, it will push that cloud further west, although hanging on to the best of the sunshine in west wales, western england and along the south coast. but the highest temperatures are going to be pushed to the south—west this time. it will be cooler further north and east, and quite a significant drop in temperature on sunday for the north—east of england. but it's still dry. we've got high pressure in charge. the position of the high means that there's some stronger winds on monday into shetland, blowing in more cloud, and there is also a stronger east to north—easterly wind affecting southern parts of england, which will make it feel a little bit cooler, probably. and we could blow in some cloud in the morning through the midlands and eastern england. that should break up in the afternoon. lots of sunshine around on bank holiday monday. there is cooler air in place

across england and wales. highest temperatures will be further west. in northern ireland and scotland, it is turning a bit warmer on monday, temperatures back into the low 20s. high pressure remains in charge on monday and into tuesday. the position is not really changing very much. light winds for many, but still those stronger winds through the english channel and southern parts of england. with the wind coming in off the north sea, we could see more cloud through much of the day on tuesday for eastern areas of england. always going to be warmer towards the west and the north, temperatures getting into the low 20s. and in scotland, we could see highs of 24 degrees or so on tuesday. and really all week we are dominated by high pressure, it is still dry, sunshine most days, and those temperatures reaching the mid 20s for the middle part of the week.

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