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the results have been announced at the results have been announced at the last few minutes, with it being announced mr erdogan won 52.4% of the vote, enough to win him another term as the president of turkey. it is late, it is dark, but you can feel the heat on the streetjust down the road from the a k party headquarters, where erdogan addressed supporters on the screen on... we have had confirmation in
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the last few minutes of the official result. the turkish electoral body so that they have counted 99.4% of the votes, which had given erdogan 52% -- 50 2.4% of the the votes, which had given erdogan 52% —— 50 2.4% of the vote. he needed more than 50%, more than half to remain in power in turkey. kilicdaroglu. when he spoke earlier, his words were received here on the streets of istanbul and by his supporters a... i would like to thank each and every member of our nation who has once again given us the responsibility of governing the country for the next five years. it was difficult for kilicdaroglu.
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he was really the antiestablishment character. the antique kilicdaroglu candidate. he formed a table of six, with all of these different parties led by the chp. they were seeking to unseat president erdogan. he made a speech before the result was officially confirmed. he did not concede the presidency, but talked about dark days ahead for turkey. my real sadness is for the difficulty _ ahead for turkey. my real sadness is for the difficulty is _ ahead for turkey. my real sadness is for the difficulty is awaiting - ahead for turkey. my real sadness is for the difficulty is awaiting the - for the difficulty is awaiting the country. i want you to know that we will be the first to stand up to this problem. lip will be the first to stand up to this problem.— will be the first to stand up to this problem. up and down this count , this problem. up and down this country. there _ this problem. up and down this country, there has _ this problem. up and down this country, there has been - this problem. up and down this country, there has been a - this problem. up and down this country, there has been a real| country, there has been a real contrast in mood, tonight. here in istanbul, even now, people are streaming past me, you can hear them cheering, shouting. sometimes you can see them wading into the camera with turkish flags. they have been
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fireworks. it has been a very different mood for supporters of the opposition. earlier i spoke to journalist victoria craig who's outside the opposition party headquarters. it sounds very different to the one that you're experiencing there at acf headquarters there in istanbul. i am outside opposition headquarters at the chp building here in the capital ankara, and i can hear i'm not sure and i can hear, i'm not sure that my microphone is picking it up, butjust outside here, our is a big roadway, four lane highway. there are lots of lots of honking going on, lots of people kind of honking at the building supporting president erdogan. they're yelling bye bye, kamal out the windows, which is something that we heard after the first round here. 3:30 in the morning, people were honking. there's a big banner, i don't think you can see it, buta big banner with kemal kilicdaroglu face on it. so people kind of honking and responding to it. but certainly the energy here, at least in chp headquarters, is not the same as you're seeing there this evening.
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and as we were just discussing and obviously you can see what's happening there in ankara where president erdogan will head and make another speech. we accept in respect of the presidential palace. people here don't wait for those official results, do they? and you can see by the reaction, as you were saying, the honking horns, the flags, people make up their mind based on what the politicians are telling them. they don't wait for that official confirmation for those official figures. yeah, definitely. and i think it's only helped that that atmosphere is only really helped when the president himself gets up and claims victory. so i think everybody is sort of getting behind him. it seems that they're thinking this is sort of this is the end of it, this is the end of the road. but we should say that kemal kilicdaroglu and the opposition coalition has not conceded defeat yet. i think we're expecting to hear from him shortly later this evening. so not sure if he's going to concede then or if he'll say, you know, he's been very steadfast both in this round and the previous round, very steadfast in saying that every
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one of their election watchers should stay at the ballot boxes until every last vote is counting. and that was something that the spokesperson has come out tonight... we've been in the press room, in the building behind me, and that's what they've been repeating, to do not leave your stations until every single ballot is counted, even though you know the numbers, at least when i last checked, it was 52 to 47% in favour of the president. still, they say it's not a foregone conclusion until every vote is counted. so, but as you say, and people sort of making up their own minds about the conclusion of this election. victoria, you specialise in in business and finance. so let's talk about that because the problems with the turkish economy have been going on for a long time now. some people blame president erdogan for making those problems worse with some of the decisions he's made on things like interest rates. if he has clinched his presidency once again for a new term, what does that mean for the turkish economy for people here who've already been suffering for a long time? well, that's a question that everyone has been asking
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throughout this campaign, is what, another five years after two decades of leadership will mean. and as you say, the president has been very opposed to higher interest rates to combat rising prices. he's called them the mother and father of all evil. and he told cnn in an interview earlier this week that he would continue in that policy. he's prevented the central bank from raising interest rates, as i say, which is a tool that most central banks in other parts of the world, in the west, certainly in the us and the u.k., across europe, they all use to try to tame rising prices. here, inflation reached 85 and a half percent. it topped out at that rate, annual rate back in october. annual rate, back in october. it's since fallen back to 44% inflation. but i've been talking to people all up and down this country throughout the campaign season about what inflation means and what the economic impact of all of that is on their pocketbooks. and people say it's very difficult to make ends meet. you know, buying food at the grocery store has become much more expensive. from a personal perspective, you know, i shop at the same grocery stores that everybody
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else in the capital shops at, and i can see food rotting on the shelves because people can't afford to buy it. so these are real problems the turkish economy is facing. as i said, the president says he's not going to use higher interest rates to combat this rising inflation. so we'll have to see what policies he puts in place. some say that he may reverse course on that, that he may raise rates a little bit. it's getting a bit louder. i'm not sure if you can hear it out outside, but hearing presidential president supporters out here on the road. and the loss of r we have heard that president erdogan has won the election with 52.4% of the vote. live now to asl ayd nta ba , foreign policy fellow at brookings institute
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in washington dc. thank you forjoining us on bbc news. already we have heard world leaders congratulating president ada wang, people like president macron france, for example, president putin of russia, the kremlin said that he has also been in touch to congratulate president erdogan. how will basically be viewed around the world? ~ . , ., world? think that there will be a big rethink— world? think that there will be a big rethink in — world? think that there will be a big rethink in terms _ world? think that there will be a big rethink in terms of— world? think that there will be a big rethink in terms of what - world? think that there will be a big rethink in terms of what to i world? think that there will be a l big rethink in terms of what to do, particularly in the west, in europe, in the united states. the biden administration has been holding president erdogan at an arm's length, really waiting it out. europe is the same. in brussels, the european union has been waiting on the fence, looking to see what direction —— the election results will be. now erdogan has one, these countries need some kind of stable relationship with turkey. europe
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certainly does, the united states does as well. president erdogan has run a very strong anti—american and western campaign. there is also no doubt about the fact that his vision for turkey as a rising power is not one that is firmly in the western league, in the transatlantic community,... it is seeking, charting its own destiny. and unaligned turkey is his vision. there needs to be a new structure, a new relationship, a way of talking, a way to manage the issues between turkey and the united states, between turkey and europe. but, that is not immediately there. i think... it will be interesting to think how the administration responds tomorrow. tomorrow is memorial day, a big occasion day in the united
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states. i do not expect president biden to call erdogan today or tomorrow. but, perhaps on tuesday next week, once a talk, what is that conversation going to be like? what are the structures, relationships that could be established? whereby the west and turkey could have more stable relationships and manage their differences more responsibly. this is not quite clear yet. both countries, turkey and the united states, have a long list of grievances. towards one another. and i think, the question will not be how regional autocrats, or russia, or turkey's response... they might be happy with the erdogan win. how will the west respond? what is erdogan going to put on the table to
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reset that relationship? that erdogan going to put on the table to reset that relationship?— reset that relationship? that is interesting- — reset that relationship? that is interesting. a _ reset that relationship? that is interesting. a really _ reset that relationship? that is| interesting. a really fascinating point you make. do you think that he will feel the need to work on those sometimes strained relationships. do you think he will see this result as a mandate for the strong man image he has betrayed, that is such a big part of the way he sells himself to elevating public? do you think you will perhaps move closer to china? closer to russia? will he strengthen those ties, because he is now emboldened by the result we have seen weston he emboldened by the result we have seen westo— emboldened by the result we have seen westo . . , , ., , seen weston he certainly is. he has been criticised _ seen weston he certainly is. he has been criticised of _ seen weston he certainly is. he has been criticised of being _ been criticised of being authoritarian, domestically. he has been a clear used of cosying up to russia. and of regional autocracies. he will see this as approval of those policies. i think that it will
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probably embolden the unaligned instincts, the more independent instincts, the more independent instincts, the more independent instincts, the desire to be strategically autonomous in turkey. so, his proposition to the west might be, now i have one, except a relationship with me on my own terms. that is going to be the challenge. turkey certainly sees itself as a regional leader. president erdogan is talking about turkey being a global leader. it is a middle power, really consequential country in the middle of everything, between europe, russia, ukraine, the middle east. what he would want, and what he would for sure, is a reset, but on his own terms, where zone of influence for turkey, perhaps. that
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would be an easy negotiation, that is for sure. but, would be an easy negotiation, that is forsure. but, one would be an easy negotiation, that is for sure. but, one way or another, i do think europeans and the united states will try to find at least a more stable, a more functional relationship. right now, there is almost no relationship between turkey and the others. you are right, president erdogan sees that the age of us dominance, western led world order is over. it is a new era. with the easter rising, with asia rising, he sees a role for turkey in that new world. —— with the asian rising. role for turkey in that new world. -- with the asian rising.- role for turkey in that new world. -- with the asian rising. thank you very much- — -- with the asian rising. thank you very much- i _ -- with the asian rising. thank you very much. ithink— -- with the asian rising. thank you very much. i think a _ -- with the asian rising. thank you very much. i think a lot _ -- with the asian rising. thank you very much. i think a lot will - -- with the asian rising. thank you very much. i think a lot will be... l very much. i think a lot will be... for the next few days. we are still waiting for president erdogan's speech, he talked to supporters,
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those words were beamed across the country from his home here in istanbul. when he makes that big speech in the presidential palace in ankara, once he has been thinking about, the ones spread around the world which will set out his vision, his policy, his real direction of travel for turkey, that will be the moment when we really start to see how global relations will change, whether it be perhaps emboldened leader will have the run—off, and he knows he has that strong image he spent so long betraying during this election campaign. earlier i spoke to journalist barcin yinanc and asked her if president erdogan could've expected this victory. i think he was expecting it but maybe he didn't think the gap would be narrow because for leaders
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like that, he would have preferred a much, much bigger difference. this is why his party organisations have been extremely vigilant on the ballot boxes. they just would not let any votes going away so he just wanted go away so he just wanted often we see political parties attracting a certain demographic. but particularly here this evening, there seems to have been a real mix of ages, men and women. is that something that is representative of erdogan's appeal across turkey or is it something
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we are seeing in isolation tonight? usually, erdogan gets more female voters than male voters. he has a very strong support, especially among conservative, pious women because he has, as populist leaders, pious women because he has, as have populist leader, monitised family values. a lot of conservative women, especially the pious sectors, they felt extremely important when he glorified motherhood, when he glorified being just a wife and also mr erdogan has played on the fear factor, may be saying that the secular segment in the opposition bloc, it could sort of erode the gains that were made by the conservative women who are especially wearing scarves.
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actually, the opposition argument was a bit counting especially on the young voters and especially young among the conservative sector but it appears they also remained most probably quite loyal to erdogan. what about where president erdogan goes next in terms of policy and in terms of how he chooses to leave the country? because even though, on the figures we are seeing, 52, 53%, he has won comfortably, it is not an overwhelming margin so do you think he might take on board some of the opposition policies or will he see this as a clear mandate for him continuing to run the country the way he already has been? i think he will see it as a clear mandate and approval of his policies. but the fact that, despite all the pressure on the supporters of the opposition, despite the fact that his party has become a state party or a party state using massively state means,
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despite all that, when he sees these results, i think he will feel the breath of the opposition on his neck, therefore i do not believe he will take a more conciliatory tone. and the next step will be the municipal elections, especially he is known to have said that whoever wins istanbul wins turkey. therefore i think he will continue on especially his oppressive policies towards the opposition, because at the end of the day, where we see a neck and neck competition is in big cities. he has wide margins in rural areas but in big cities, the gap is even more narrow and that would therefore suggest to me he will continue his inflexibility and intolerance towards the supporters of the opposition.
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lets dig a little more into those polls and those predictions. don't forget, this was a presidential run—off, the first round of voting, none of the candidates managed to get over the 50% needed. erdogan got close, with 49.4%. kilicdaroglu was trailing. it confounded many of the polls and predictions that had come before. some people thought the opposition candidate could unify that anti erdogan vote and could have won this in the first round. it was not to be, but i spoke earlier about this. i spoke to economist and pollster can seculki on what the polls got wrong this time around and about the state of turkey's economy. where the polls got it wrong was two
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things were underestimated. one... well, miscalculated. first was the turnout for kemal kilicdaroglu supporters and for erdogan supporters. the turnout on the average was around 88%, but when you look at it at a district level, it would be seen that kilicdaroglu supporters turned out less in the first round in comparison to mr erdogan. and the second one was obviously... it was miscalculated, under calculated, let's say, the impact of the fighting terrorism rhetoric that erdogan proposed whereby he said that if kilicdaroglu were to win, he would not fight terrorism as good as he could. so, those things were under—calculated by the polls in the first round. i wonder about, obviously your specialism is as an economist, wonder about mr erdogan �*s handling of the economy because some people wonder about mr erdogan's handling of the economy because some people
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thought that would stand against him in this presidential election, decisions he has made in the last couple of years, that some people think made the situation worse rather than better. but that does not seem to have effected his polling, does it? affected his polling, does it? no, because, look, obviously the policy choices, the economic policy choices of the current administration had led turkey to a very undesirable position in terms of inflation and macroeconomic vulnerabilities. but it appears very clearly that the electorate, a, found the solution capacity of president erdogan more credible going forward and b, preferred the identity proposal of mr erdogan, prioritised that, the identity that mr erdogan put forward over the economic issues they have been facing for the past year and a half. what do you think will happen next? obviously, those issues
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that were so important before the election, none of them have gone away. as you said, we are still waiting for the final result, it looks to all intents and purposes like an erdogan victory, so how will he deal with those issues? will he take a different approach, or will he see this as an endorsement of the approach he has taken thus far? look, now the people's alliance led by president erdogan has a majority in the parliament and he has a clear win in the presidential elections. so, now it is up to him to fix the economy point to fix the economy. the first speech he gave, i mean, many of the statement he gave before the first round and in between the two rounds of the presidential election were that, as far as the economic policy is concerned, he would follow the same policies but obviously economic theory tells us he should not after the summer is over, when the tourism effect is going to come in, turkey is looking at a rather bleak
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picture from an economic policy perspective, economic situation perspective, come fall. so, i think a course correction is needed but we have not seen any signs in that direction so far. so, we will know more about it once we know his preferences for minister for treasury and finance as well as his preference for a central bank governor. if we see no change in that, it means that he sees these results as an endorsement of his already existing policy. that was pollster and economist here in istanbul. you can still hear the music, but some people are drifting away. there have been devon & somerset fire brigade through the night. there was a burst of celebratory gunfire. food stores are doing a roaring trade. there are
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people who support erdogan who have been waiting weeks and months for this. this extends his 20 year rule by another five years. his supporters, it is a bright moment for turkey. they see this powerful leader, someone who is moulded turkey into a force on the world stage stop but, her critics, and we from kilicdaroglu, they are bitterly disappointed. they see this as further cementing an authoritarian regime, a man who has espoused religious conservatism in this country, a man who has clamped down on free speech, and who the opposition say has clamped down on democracy. as people near to the akp headquarters and celebrate, there is a very different mood in the opposition voted for their candidate and saw him and defeated tonight. by that narrow margin, but enough to
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ensure that erdogan continues as turkey's leader for five more years. we are showing you... studio: we are expecting president erdogan to arrive shortly to announce to his supporters... a sea of flags. this is after the supreme election council announced officially that erdogan has been announced as the new president with 52.41% of votes. you are watching bbc news. more on the bbc news app. hello, the south—west of the uk has seen some of the highest temperatures today. further north, many spots have been a bit cooler and for some there has been a bit of cloud around — this was earlier in whitby. through the week ahead, it will be largely dry but while there will be some spells of warm sunshine, there will also be quite a brisk and chilly wind in places. it's going to be quite breezy
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across southern and eastern parts through the night, also in the far north of scotland but in between the winds will be lighter, some clear spells, the odd mist patch likely and more low cloud rolling in from the north sea into parts of eastern england. it's possible that some sheltered spots in scotland might get all the way down to freezing, certainly a chilly night across the northern half of the country. on monday, high pressure firmly in charge but the isobars are squeezing together in the north and the south so that shows we will have some quite brisk winds, blowing in off the chilly waters of the sea, making it feel a little bit cooler. certainly quite a lot of cloud in the east of england first thing, much of it retreating back to the coast. the far north of scotland staying cloudy. but elsewhere, a lot of sunshine and where we have the lightest winds, parts of north—west england, northern ireland, south of scotland, that's when we will have the highest temperatures, up to 21 degrees, compared tojust 14 in norwich, 17 in london, and certainly a cooler
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feel in the far north of scotland. wherever you are, regardless of the feel of the weather, if you have sun overhead, that sun is strong at this time of year so uv levels are likely to be high. looking ahead to tuesday, we see another area of cloud rolling in from the north sea which could plague eastern england for a time. the far north of scotland likely to stay cloudy, in the northern isles particular, but elsewhere a lot of sunshine. higher temperatures in the west, and glasgow could be the warmest spot at around 2a degrees. heading deeper into the week, high presure still with us, the centre of it might slip a bit further north—west of us, still allowing this quite chilly breeze into some eastern and southern parts. highest temperatures likely to be across the west of the uk, up to around 25 or 26 degrees in the best of any sunshine. that is all from me. goodbye for now.
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this is bbc news, the headlines... supporters of recep erdogan celebrate in the streets as he declares victory in a turkish presidential run off against kemal kilicdaroglu. i would like to thank each and every member of our nation who has once again given us the responsibility of governing the country for the next

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