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which means no one compromise which means no one got everything they want. i strongly urge both chambers to pass that agreement. and one night after russia's largest drone attack on kyiv, ukrainian air defences shoot down dozens more russian targets over the capital. the 69—year—old will now serve another five years, potentially stretching his time in power to
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a quarter of a century. addressing a jubilant cloud, the president promised to build a strong economy and cold for unity. our senior international correspondent, orla gerin, reports from the turkish capital ankara. our senior international correspondent, orla gerin, reports from the turkish capital ankara. the recep tayyip erdogan juggernaut rolls on. and tonight in the turkish capital, the streets belong to his supporters. who have stuck with him through thick and thin and hyperinflation. translation: we are blessed at our president leading us again. i there is no better feeling than this. let the world hear it. he is a leader has taught the entire a lesson. and here he was, serenading supporters, or trying to...
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from a bus top near his home in istanbul, having beaten off the biggest challenge in years. the only winner, he said, is turkey, before stocking is turkey, before stoking divisions with an attack on the opposition and the lg btq community. earlier, he handed out cash outside a polling station, like a modern—day sultan. one who has now extended his reign for another five years. his rival, kemal kilicdaroglu, ran as mr nice guy. but then veered to the right, vowing to send all refugees home. supporters chanting his slogan today...
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everything will be beautiful. "everything will be beautiful." he is our hope, she told us. now defeated, he fears a much bigger troubles are ahead for turkey. the choice here was stark. two very different options. a seasoned autocrat or an untested democrat. most voters went with the devil they know. the process is carried out very carefully here. you have to arrive with a voting slip and with your id. your name is checked on the list, and after you vote, you sign that you have done so. there are observers here, too, from all the political parties. but president erdogan has gone into this contest with key advantages — not least almost total control of the media. ozcan aker, a retired lawyer of 90, came out to vote for change.
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translation: in turkey, currently there's - a dictatorial regime. i'm voting to return to democracy. first of all, there is no justice. the president holds executive and legislative powers. this is the biggest mistake. tonight, packed victory celebrations outside the presidential palace of a thousand rooms. recep tayyip erdogan is newly emboldened. the opposition is badly bruised. and this strategic nation has chosen its path. matthew bryza joins me now, he is a former us ambassador and former deputy assistant secretary of state for europe and eurasia with responsibility for turkey, among other countries, and hejoins us from istanbul.
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welcome to you, matthew. good to see you once again. firstly, we have seen speedy congratulations from us presidentjoe biden, sentiment is echoed as well from uk prime minister rishi sunak. both emphasising the fact turkey of course has this relationship as nato partners as well. what do you make of that?— you make of that? thanks for havin: you make of that? thanks for having me — you make of that? thanks for having me with _ you make of that? thanks for having me with you. - you make of that? thanks for having me with you. it - you make of that? thanks for having me with you. it makes sense because this was a free election. people will argue whether or not it was fair, because as the package just now described, the government in power has so many advantages, economic and media advantages. but at the end of the day, turkey remains not only a nato member state, turkey remains not only a nato memberstate, but turkey remains not only a nato member state, but one with the second largest military, and really quite compelling important strategic position on the map. if you look at the map, turkey border syria, iraq, iran, armenia, azerbaijan,
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georgia, and then in the north across the black sea, russia, ukraine and then bulgaria as well as greece and romania. so it's such a consequential member of nato, after a democratic election, even if you argue that it wasn't fair but it was free, there is no choice but for prime minister sunak and president biden to get on with things.— get on with things. talking about it being _ get on with things. talking about it being so _ get on with things. talking - about it being so consequential for nato, of course turkey's support will be critical in seeing swedenjoin nato. do you seeing swedenjoin nato. do you see president erdogan giving the green light here? i actually do. maybe i'm just being optimistic as a former diplomat, i always needed to be optimistic, but i do see that. maybe president erdogan was holding back and playing the nationalist card with regard to sweden's membership of nato because of the approaching elections. if you go back to your package, even his opponent kilicdaroglu in the second
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round of the election played the nationalist card by calling for the expulsion of all of the 3.7 million syrian refugees who have come to turkey since 2011. so i think at the end of the day, yes, ithink so i think at the end of the day, yes, i think erdogan will relent. his government has been one of the staunchest supporters of nato enlargement, meaning of course first and foremost the eventual membership of ukraine and georgia. so i think he will relent but he will also want to exact his additional pound of flesh, and while i am optimistic, i am flesh, and while i am optimistic, iam not deterministic. he has been demanding that the swedish government return suspects of terrorist groups, the pkk or the organisation that is deemed a terrorist in turkey. as the swedish government said, we, the executive branch, cannot do that unless we get a court decision and it is not guaranteed the courts will
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decide on expedition. he will have to decide what he does but i think he will decide to let sweden in.— i think he will decide to let sweden in. ., , ., sweden in. you 'ust mentioned the fate of — sweden in. you just mentioned the fate of syrian _ sweden in. you just mentioned the fate of syrian refugees - sweden in. you just mentioned the fate of syrian refugees in i the fate of syrian refugees in the fate of syrian refugees in the country, which was a big talking point as you say for the opposition there as well. but what do you think this victory for erdogan now means for syrians, particularly for syrians in the north of the country, particularly at a time when we have also seen the arab league essentially appearing to welcome bashar el—assad back into the fold? i welcome bashar el-assad back into the fold?— into the fold? i think with erdogan _ into the fold? i think with erdogan having _ into the fold? i think with erdogan having won - into the fold? i think with l erdogan having won again, into the fold? i think with - erdogan having won again, the refugees can sleep a little bit more quietly, because the thought of them being forcibly expeued thought of them being forcibly expelled back to syria is no longer operative. which it would have been, as you said, if kemal kilicdaroglu won. and for a few years, erdogan has
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been saying that turkey wants to build a safe zone in northern syria so that syrian refugees can return voluntarily. i hope that's still the policy. i see no reason why that would have changed after erdogan's views overall won in the election. still, as you say, much will depend on how or whether there is a normalisation or improvement in relations between ankara and damascus. in recent months, the turkish government has been trying to improve relations with assad, possibly normalise relations. turkey has been doing that with all its neighbours to the south, with saudi arabia to the south—east, with united arab emirates, even with israel and armenia. so i think the process will continue with syria, but it's not clear that it will get to a point where erdogan will say, ok, the safe zone's safe enough for the refugees to return. i
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enough for the refugees to return. ., ., ., ~ ., return. i want to talk a little about his — return. i want to talk a little about his relationship - return. i want to talk a little about his relationship with l about his relationship with ukraine and president zelensky, and russia's president putin. he has been walking this remarkable tightrope act, essentially. do you think that he will be able to continue to do that? or do you think potentially other partners, other countries could force his hand a bit more and say, we need you to come down on one side? figs need you to come down on one side? �* , ., ., ,, need you to come down on one side? a ., ., ,, , ., ., side? as a former us diplomat, i would love _ side? as a former us diplomat, i would love to _ side? as a former us diplomat, i would love to see _ side? as a former us diplomat, i would love to see turkey - side? as a former us diplomat, | i would love to see turkey come down on the side of imposing sanctions that everyone else has imposed on russia, but he won't. and even if kemal kilicdaroglu had won, for structural reasons, turkey has notjust structural reasons, turkey has not just the economic structural reasons, turkey has notjust the economic interests with russia, lots of exports in terms of agricultural goods, russians coming to turkey, energy interests with turkey receiving lots of natural gas from russia. russia essentially paying for a $20 billion atomic
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energy plant in turkey. but every turk knows that throughout the history of turkey going back to the ottoman empire and russian empire, turkey has fought wars against russia than any other country. erdogan will want to continue having open communications with putin, so that turkey can do things like brokering the grain agreement that thank goodness has allowed the avoidance of fears of famine in the global south. but at the same time, turkey has fought wars against russia than any other country going back to imperial days. so we will also see strong support for ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty, and military support for ukraine as well. the former us ambassador and deputy assistant secretary of state for europe and eurasia, great to have you with us. thank you. to the us, and after weeks of negotations, presidentjoe biden and republican house speaker kevin mccarthy have
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finalised a deal to raise the national debt ceiling. a short time ago, the bill was released. let's start with a few key details. the agreement will lift the debt limit until january 1, 2025. congress allocated an additional $86 billion for security spending while decreasing non—defence spending by over $200 billion. there's still work to be done, and we'll get more on that shortly. but earlier, president biden shared his thoughts on the day's developments. we have reached a bipartisan budget agreement and now we are ready to move to the full congress. i think it's a really important step forward. it takes the threat of catastrophic default off the table and protects our hard—earned and historic economic recovery. it also represents a compromise that gives no—one everything they want, but that's the responsibility of governing. this is a deal and it's good news, i believe, for the american people. the agreement prevents the worst possible crisis, a default for the first time
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in our nation's history. house speaker kevin mccarthy will need to convince members of his republican party to back the bill. he spoke to fox news on sunday. 95% of all those at the conference were very excited but think about this. we finally were able to cut spending. we are the first congress to vote for cutting spending year after year. we were able to do this after the president said he was not even going to talk to us. this is really a step in the right direction. it's puts us at a trajectory that is different. we put a statutory cap on only spending 1% for the next six years so we let government grow, but at a slower rate. now, crucially, this deal still needs to be approved by both parts of a divided congress. 0verall, there are 435 votes in the house of represantitives. in order to advance a bill to the us senate, it will need the support of the majority — 218 members. currently, house republicans control the lower chamber of congress with 222 votes. members of the more
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conservative freedom caucus in the house have opposed raising the debt ceiling, and currently they have 45 votes in the house. now that was the lower house, but the bill would also need to pass the upper house, the senate. it takes 60 votes to advance a bill to president biden's desk. democrats control the senate with 51 votes. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. feeling on top of the world, this is the moment hari made history. last week, he became the first ever double—above—the—knee amputee to reach the summit of everest. i'm emotional as well because it's a long way. you know, i cried many times. and, yeah, lots of emotional things.
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so, yeah, i think i feel pretty amazing, but also i hope this will send a message around the world that anything is possible. the former gurkha soldier lost both his legs when he stepped on an improvised explosive device whilst serving in afghanistan in 2010. when he woke up, he thought his life was over, but taking on a number of extreme sporting feats helped grow his confidence again. you're live on bbc news. in the last hour, military officials in kyiv say they've destroyed more than a0 air targets that were heading to the city, including drones and missiles. yesterday, in one of russia's largest attacks on kyiv, out of 59 drones, 58 were shot down, but two people were killed in the attack. tonight is the 15th aerial bombardment on the ukrainian capital this month. for more on this,
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i spoke with ukrainian mp 0leksiy goncharenko. hello. russia carried out a massive drone attack on kyiv overnight. tell us about what happened and the aftermath. yeah, it was day of kyiv and that was kind of congratulation of russia to kyiv, to the capital of ukraine. and again, a new attack and the most — the biggest — drone attack from the beginning of invasion. again, we saw that civilian infrastructure was hurt partly because almost all the drones were intercepted, but the rest of them, they fell on the civilian areas and houses. one person is killed and a number are injured. that's, again, continuation of russian policy of terror against civilians, throughout the whole country and especially in the
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capital of the country, kyiv. and i want to touch on the psychological impact of this war, as well, because you mentioned there the use of drones, and even if they are shot down by a bolstered ukrainian air defence, just tell us about the psychological impact — for example, people waking up in the night hearing drones buzzing overhead. it must be... it must be terrifying. yeah, it is. and...yeah, there is also air—raid signal you know, throughout almost the whole night, during last night in kyiv and definitely many people heard and how the air defence works — a lot of explosions and, yeah, the sound of drone coming is not a pleasant one, i could tell you. the first time russians used them, it was in october of last year — it was in 0desa and i heard it by my own ears.
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and from that time, unfortunately, we got a little bit used to this, but you can't get used completely to this. you feel the danger. and...that�*s why i think russians are using these drones. one of the probably things that they like in it is this terrifying effect and that is the sound, and this attempt to scare people. but it will not work because for ukraine, this war is existential — is to be or not to be. and that's why we are not scared of this. but people are getting more and more furious of what's going on. and with regards to the long—awaited counteroffensive, of course, which many people are talking about it — how much pressure does ukraine feel to succeed? definitely, there is a lot of hope. and when there is so much hope, there is a lot of pressure on our army and on everybody in the country — we are all praying for our
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victory and the success of our counteroffensive. but it's in the hands of our military who proved themselves to be efficient, successful last year when they stopped russian invasion and then when they liberated part of occupied territories. so we believe in our army. we try to do everything we can to support them. we are very thankful to all our allies — united kingdom, the united states, other countries — which help us with the weaponry which is very much needed. also, like the hundreds of thousands of ukrainians as volunteers, are helping our army and we will do our best to help the army to be successful. 0leksiy, military strategy aside when it comes to discussing this counter—offensive, how is ukraine preparing its citizens for the start of this counteroffensive, which could reignite fresh battle fronts? we are doing the best
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in order to evacuate people from the endangered areas. and that is important part of thejob. definitely...that is also important to prepare infrastructure — medical infrastructure and critical infrastructure. so that's what the country is doing. and we will see how successful we are — we hope it will be successful. and we all hope that this counteroffensive will give possibility to finish this war this year, as soon as possible — that is our aim, because this war is devastating for the country and every day of the war we have casualties and victims. can ijust pick you up on that? do you think that that is a possibility — that this counteroffensive could end this war this year? yeah, we believe in this.
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and i can tell you personally, last year when russia invaded ukraine, ijoined territorial defence when we were defending kyiv. they can tell you that if we would have one year ago the weaponry that we received laterfrom our allies, we would finish everything last year. so i think that we have possibility to finish everything this year, liberate all our territories. definitely nobody can predict for sure, but i think — and millions of ukrainians will believe in this and we hope this will happen. is that because you think that your troops will force the russians out of the country or bring them to the negotiating table? i think that our big success can lead to collapse of russian army completely in ukraine. also, it can lead to collapse of russian political regime inside the country, inside russia. so everything is possible.
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and we saw, you know, during last 100 years, russian empire collapsed already twice. first, it was russian empire, then it was soviet union. it's the same empire. so we believe that it's time for russian empire to collapse for the third time, and i hope the last one. well, russia's ambassador to the uk has been speaking to the bbc, saying, "we have enormous resources. we haven't started to attack very seriously." what do you make of those comments? i mean, that is russian propaganda. they are using all their possibilities and all theirforce. definitely they look ridiculous and the whole world sees the weakness of russia, because they claim to be the second—strongest army in the world. they were telling that in three days they would take kyiv, and then they will march to lyman. but in reality, we see quite opposite analogy to — it took almost one year for them to capture not even
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completely small town of bakhmut, which was before invasion 70,000 population. also they lost several big battles last year — in kherson, in kharkiv area. so i think they try to show some kind of... ..that they are bold and they feel themselves strong. but that's not the fact. their morale — the morale of their troops is very low. the morale inside russian society is low. so we believe that one more big victory and have a final, a very pivotal effort. all right. 0leksiy goncharenko, a ukrainian mp in kyiv, thank you for taking the time to be with us. thank you very much. japan has warned north korea against a planned satellite launch, which could take place as soon as wednesday. japanese officials said today they believe the launch could instead involve a ballistic missile, and have approved orders to shoot it down if it enters japenese territory.
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north korea has conducted a series of missile and weapons tests in recent months, including a new solid—fuel intercontinental ballistic missile. some analysts say the military satellite is part of north korea's efforts to improve its surveillance technology in the event of a conflict. earlier this month north korean leader kim jong—un visited a facility assembling north korea's first spy satellite, indicating it could soon conduct its first space rocket launch in some seven years. we're going to leave you now with a story from italy, where there's a bit of a mystery taking over the city of venice. it's after a stretch of the grand canal turned flourescent green. these images were taken near the famous rialto bridge in the last few hours. authorities there have called an emergency meeting with police, who are looking into whether it could be a climate protest. but unusually, no group has said they're behind it. the fire service sent out this video — they've been helping the environment agency take
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samples of the waters to be analysed. that's all from us in washington. stay with us. hello, there. some of you may have seen the fabulous halo effect around the sun on sunday evening. it was caused by thin, high cloud made up of ice crystals — and, just like a rainbow, you can get a double halo effect. there'll be some of that high cloud around on bank holiday monday. for much of the country it is going to be a dry and sunny day. but it'll be a chilly start
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and there could be some cloud coming in off the north sea through the midlands and eastern parts of england. it'll break up through the day with some sunshine coming through. away from the far north of scotland, there will be a lot of sunshine. it's going to be strong sunshine, as well — high uv levels for many of us on monday — and that sun could be quite deceptive when it breaks through in the south—east because there'll be a cooler, stronger wind blowing in here, and it'll be windy through the english channel. maybe a bit cooler in the south—east, as well, but further north and west, it's going to be warming up — temperatures back up to 20 or 21 celsius in north—west england and scotland. and bank holiday monday will be dry because we've still got high pressure in charge. to the south of that high pressure, there's still some stronger winds across southern parts of england, and by tuesday there's more cloud in the north sea. with the wind off the north sea, we could see cloud lingering into the afternoon across some eastern parts of england. it's always going to be sunnierfurther west, it's always going to be warmer further west, as well — temperatures widely into the low 20s, perhaps 2a degrees in glasgow.
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a quick look at wednesday because there are some changes. there's more low cloud around for england and wales — it could linger in some places all day, keeping it somewhat cooler. again it's more towards the north—west where we've got the sunshine and higher temperatures, and at long last, we could reach 25 degrees in scotland. very unusual not to hit 25 degrees in may — the last time that happened was way back in 2013, when we reached 25 celsius onjune 6th. there were some quite chilly springs in the �*80s — �*87 in particular — we didn't reach 25 degrees until very late in june. we could hit the mid—20s again through thursday and friday, more towards the south—west of the uk. if you're wondering where all the rain's gone, it's in southern parts it's in southern parts of europe — not great of europe — not great if you're holidaying if you're holidaying in the mediterranean — far better to be holidaying here in the uk. that high pressure's not going anywhere — all week it looks like it's going to be fine and dry with some warm sunshine and some cooler winds in the far south. in the mediterranean —
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welcome to hardtalk from johannesburg. i'm stephen sackur. south africa is a proud democracy, and in democracies, voters get to give their verdicts on their leaders. it's called accountability, and it might be about to bite the ruling african national congress. they've been in power here for 29 years, since the apartheid system was overthrown. but right now, south africa is in a big mess, with a protracted energy crisis, shocking levels of unemployment and inequality, and systemic corruption. my guest is the secretary general of the anc, fikile mbalula. of a failed state, of course. is his party about to pay the price of failure?
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fikile mbalula, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for having us, and welcome to luthuli house. it's a great pleasure to be here. how disappointed are you with the state south africa is in today? south africa is undergoing challenges like many other countries. but i think to put us into a category of a failed state, it's an exaggeration. er... ican give... but you think that's a conversation that south africans are having amongst themselves? well, it comes from pockets of the... ..powerful thinkers in the country who project us as displaying characteristics
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