price increases in supermarkets. the price of fresh food is down marginally, a crumb of comfort, things like coffee and chocolate have jumped, crumb of comfort, things like coffee and chocolate havejumped, prices terrifyingly high. new figures from retailers today show overall food inflation is at 15.4% on last year — although that's slightly lower than last month's rate. but the reality is fighting for so many families across the land. essentials are the new luxuries and luxuries are a thing of the past. how is your supermarket swipe, are you cutting back, are you cutting out, are you struggling? let us know, that is what we are doing for the next hour. price rises, how are you coping?

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irrelevant. a former top chinese government scientist has told the bbc the possibility covid leaked from a laboratory should not be ruled out but he has not seen evidence to back that up. george gal says the origins of the virus remain open. let me clarify, welcome! you might hear some different statistics, 0 ns stats about food inflation, 19.1%. the number, 15.7%, 15.4%, different methodology and timescales, that explains that but it is also worth reminding you that there have been suggestions a price cap on things. the supermarket say it will not work

and that will stymie a competitive market. it's not something that should be considered. lots of rows about that and some people in government have suggested it but others in government saying it is a terrible idea but we want to hear from you. contact us in the usual ways. a modest decrease in may, some people say within the british retail consortium it indicates food price inflation had peaked and was beginning to come down but as i said, a crumb of comfort, hold the street parties! let's speak to catherine shuttleworth, retail expert. from savvy marketing. good morning. going to the supermarket for so many families now is notjust a chastening experience and

chilling, it is terrifying. massive decisions to be made so what is the overall story? l decisions to be made so what is the overall story?— overall story? i think you are riaht, overall story? i think you are right. for— overall story? i think you are right, for most _ overall story? i think you are right, for most of— overall story? i think you are right, for most of us - overall story? i think you are right, for most of us going . overall story? i think you are| right, for most of us going to overall story? i think you are - right, for most of us going to the supermarket is not enjoyable but for those families on the lowest incomes they are struggling. the picture is most of the items we buy every day and week to feed our families have gone up in price and you have really struggled to find anybody who will not say that their shopping bill has gone up. most average families spending around £100 on food, £5,200 per year, a lot of money from your household income when things are being squeezed and we are not used to food prices at this level and it doesn't feel like there is hope in sight and we are working really hard as families to make money stretch. i think that's the difficulty. we are not seeing a way out of this that will happen quickly.—

will happen quickly. people are thinkin: , will happen quickly. people are thinking. hang _ will happen quickly. people are thinking, hang on, _ will happen quickly. people are thinking, hang on, 19.1%, - will happen quickly. people are thinking, hang on, 19.1%, or. will happen quickly. people are thinking, hang on, 19.196, or it| will happen quickly. people are i thinking, hang on, 19.196, or it has thinking, hang on, 19.1%, or it has gone down to 15.4% depending on your methodology, dancing on the head of a statistical pen, as reality bites. we are, and they are all big numbers. we can be blinkered by the numbers. we can be blinkered by the numbers but the reality is could you buy as much for your money as you could be four and the answer is absolutely not so people are making choices. it's not about luxuries any more. it's about how i make my food so what do i put into the family meals? we feed ourselves in a particular way, meals? we feed ourselves in a particularway, most meals? we feed ourselves in a particular way, most of us were to about five recipes per week and how do we make that stretch because meat prices are high. we hear all these people who are clever and they say

you can feed your family for £25, shop smart but not everybody has the option to shop smartly and not everyone can drive to a supermarket and get the best deals. lots of people are working very hard, working more than one job to make ends meet and shopping must fit in amongst everything else so they rely on retailers to deliver at the best possible prices on five things are still competitive in retail, prices are higher, they are competitive and the reality is high prices means your money does not go as far as it used to and you see it in supermarkets. people adding up what they are buying, abandoned products around the shop because when they get to the till they do not have enough money for what they want. let's go to some of our callers. we will bring in dr kris hamer, from the british retail consortium, looking forward to your exchange of views with him, catherine. let's get

some of our callers on the line. faye, good morning and welcome to the nations thrown in. what is it like for you at the moment? —— then nations thrown in. we: like for you at the moment? -- then nations thrown in.— nations thrown in. it's getting more and more difficult. _ nations thrown in. it's getting more and more difficult. there's - nations thrown in. it's getting more and more difficult. there's two - nations thrown in. it's getting more and more difficult. there's two of i and more difficult. there's two of ou and more difficult. there's two of you there. _ and more difficult. there's two of you there. you — and more difficult. there's two of you there, you and _ and more difficult. there's two of you there, you and your - and more difficult. there's two of you there, you and your daughter and more difficult. there's two of - you there, you and your daughter and it gets to you, doesn't it? we hear so many people saying it. lt it gets to you, doesn't it? we hear so many people saying it.- so many people saying it. it really does, ou so many people saying it. it really does. you are _ so many people saying it. it really does, you are trying _ so many people saying it. it really does, you are trying to _ so many people saying it. it really does, you are trying to make - so many people saying it. it really does, you are trying to make a . does, you are trying to make a positive — does, you are trying to make a positive but it gets to a certain point _ positive but it gets to a certain point you — positive but it gets to a certain point you have mental health waivers because _ point you have mental health waivers because of— point you have mental health waivers because of that.— because of that. what different choices are _ because of that. what different choices are you _ because of that. what different choices are you making? - because of that. what different | choices are you making? buying because of that. what different i choices are you making? buying a less fresh fruit _ choices are you making? buying a less fresh fruit and _ choices are you making? buying a less fresh fruit and vegetables, i less fresh fruit and vegetables, buying — less fresh fruit and vegetables, buying less meat. the previous caller— buying less meat. the previous caller said _ buying less meat. the previous caller said meat is more expensive. stretching _ caller said meat is more expensive. stretching out meals by adding in potato _ stretching out meals by adding in potato and pasta to bulk it out,

making — potato and pasta to bulk it out, making soap from the vegetables, stretching out the soap for three or four days _ stretching out the soap for three or four days by adding more water. steuben — four days by adding more water. stephen in carlisle, what do you want to say?— want to say? what are people's expectations? _ want to say? what are people's expectations? at _ want to say? what are people's expectations? at the _ want to say? what are people's expectations? at the end - want to say? what are people's expectations? at the end of. want to say? what are people's| expectations? at the end of the want to say? what are people's - expectations? at the end of the day, it is costing — expectations? at the end of the day, it is costing more _ expectations? at the end of the day, it is costing more to— expectations? at the end of the day, it is costing more to produce - expectations? at the end of the day, it is costing more to produce food i it is costing more to produce food because _ it is costing more to produce food because raw— it is costing more to produce food because raw materials _ it is costing more to produce food because raw materials are - it is costing more to produce foodj because raw materials are costing more, _ because raw materials are costing more. electricity— because raw materials are costing more, electricity and _ because raw materials are costing more, electricity and fuel - because raw materials are costing more, electricity and fuel or- more, electricity and fuel or costing _ more, electricity and fuel or costing more _ more, electricity and fuel or costing more. people - more, electricity and fuel or costing more. people are i more, electricity and fuel or- costing more. people are demanding 30% pay— costing more. people are demanding 30% pay rises — costing more. people are demanding 30% pay rises. 30? _ costing more. people are demanding 30% pay rises. 30? so _ costing more. people are demanding 30% pay rises. 30? so if— costing more. people are demanding 30% pay rises. 30? so if your- 30% pay rises. 30? so if your constituent _ 30% pay rises. 30? so if your constituent parts _ 30% pay rises. 30? so if your constituent parts are - 30% pay rises. 30? so if your constituent parts are costingl 30% pay rises. 30? so if your- constituent parts are costing more someone — constituent parts are costing more someone has _ constituent parts are costing more someone has to— constituent parts are costing more someone has to pay— constituent parts are costing more someone has to pay the _ constituent parts are costing more someone has to pay the 10p - constituent parts are costing more someone has to pay the 10p they. constituent parts are costing more . someone has to pay the 10p they are paying _ someone has to pay the 10p they are paying these — someone has to pay the 10p they are paying these people _ someone has to pay the 10p they are paying these people but _ someone has to pay the 10p they are paying these people but people - someone has to pay the 10p they arej paying these people but people need to think— paying these people but people need to think about— paying these people but people need to think about what _ paying these people but people need to think about what they _ paying these people but people need to think about what they are - paying these people but people need to think about what they are buying, | to think about what they are buying, how they— to think about what they are buying, how they are — to think about what they are buying, how they are buying _ to think about what they are buying, how they are buying it _ to think about what they are buying, how they are buying it because - how they are buying it because there's— how they are buying it because there's millions _ how they are buying it because there's millions and _ how they are buying it because there's millions and millions . how they are buying it because i there's millions and millions out there _ there's millions and millions out there who — there's millions and millions out there who i _ there's millions and millions out there who i would _ there's millions and millions out there who i would say _ there's millions and millions out there who i would say are - there's millions and millions out. there who i would say are making there's millions and millions out - there who i would say are making the wrong _ there who i would say are making the wrong choice — there who i would say are making the wrong choice. prioritising _ wrong choice. prioritising cigarettes— wrong choice. prioritising cigarettes and _ wrong choice. prioritising

cigarettes and alcohol. wrong choice. prioritising i cigarettes and alcohol over wrong choice. prioritising - cigarettes and alcohol over food wrong choice. prioritising _ cigarettes and alcohol over food and they need _ cigarettes and alcohol over food and they need to — cigarettes and alcohol over food and they need to prioritise _ cigarettes and alcohol over food and they need to prioritise rather- cigarettes and alcohol over food and they need to prioritise rather than. they need to prioritise rather than having _ they need to prioritise rather than having a _ they need to prioritise rather than having a pint _ they need to prioritise rather than having a pint of— they need to prioritise rather than having a pint of lager. _ they need to prioritise rather than having a pint of lager. [— they need to prioritise rather than having a pint of lager.— having a pint of lager. i wonder if that is the _ having a pint of lager. i wonder if that is the case _ having a pint of lager. i wonder if that is the case in _ having a pint of lager. i wonder if that is the case in many - that is the case in many circumstances. catherine, please speak to steven who represents a string of opinion. savvy marketing, it takes quite a lot of effort and know—how and time to be savvy about such things. do you think this is an unfortunate stereotype or do you think there is a reality to it? stephen is right, we have to make choices and some people's choices will not be the same as mine or yours or hills. but i think the reality, we talk to 1000 shoppers every month and they are saying we are stopping going out and i am sure for some listeners and collars coming in, they say i have not been out in a pub, i do not smoke, i try

to make all the right choices but i cannot make ends meet but stephen is right, the cost of money factor for food, energy prices have really impacted the cost of food we buy in the shops and somewhere along the line that has to be paid for what we have to be careful not to make sweeping statements about what individuals are doing. there is individuals are doing. there is individual choice in this but what is more worrying is hearing people say i am having to buy less fruit and vegetables. because i think there is a potential health application which is quite significant. when we look at children in particular, they should be getting the benefit of the healthy and balanced diet every day and not going hungry, not going to school without breakfast and they are the biggest societal issues we have to consider around this. i cannot disagree with steven that people need to make the right choices but we live in a free

society and that is people's choice. dr kris hamer, lets speak to you about this, director of insight at the british retail consortium, or your guy doing enough? goad the british retail consortium, or your guy doing enough? good morning, i think retailers _ your guy doing enough? good morning, i think retailers are _ your guy doing enough? good morning, i think retailers are trying _ your guy doing enough? good morning, i think retailers are trying their- i think retailers are trying their best— i think retailers are trying their best and — i think retailers are trying their best and have been doing so for the last year— best and have been doing so for the last year to — best and have been doing so for the last year to hold back because increases _ last year to hold back because increases that they have seen on the cost of _ increases that they have seen on the cost of goods. we know the war in ukraine _ cost of goods. we know the war in ukraine caused a massive spike in energy— ukraine caused a massive spike in energy costs. that has meant the cost of _ energy costs. that has meant the cost of producing goods and the cost of transporting goods and later the cost of— of transporting goods and later the cost of labour as retailers have paid _ cost of labour as retailers have paid their— cost of labour as retailers have paid their staff more means ultimately there is a limit to how much _ ultimately there is a limit to how much retailers can hold back before consumers — much retailers can hold back before consumers need to pay more so of course _ consumers need to pay more so of course there is more retailers will do and _ course there is more retailers will do and they are negotiating hard with suppliers to make sure price increases — with suppliers to make sure price increases are as limited as possible _ increases are as limited as

possible. i guess a lot of factors are not— possible. i guess a lot of factors are not within their control so when cost prices — are not within their control so when cost prices fall, they will pass that— cost prices fall, they will pass that on— cost prices fall, they will pass that on to _ cost prices fall, they will pass that on to consumers but that has not happened, where we see it in the markets, _ not happened, where we see it in the markets, in _ not happened, where we see it in the markets, in terms of overall cost reduction — markets, in terms of overall cost reduction in _ markets, in terms of overall cost reduction in energy but it takes around — reduction in energy but it takes around 6—9 months for that to feed through— around 6—9 months for that to feed through to — around 6—9 months for that to feed through to shelf prices so it is difficult — through to shelf prices so it is difficult now but we expect things to improve. difficult now but we expect things to improve-— to improve. shouldn't be thinking about a price _ to improve. shouldn't be thinking about a price cap? _ to improve. shouldn't be thinking about a price cap? 4896 _ to improve. shouldn't be thinking about a price cap? 4896 of - to improve. shouldn't be thinking about a price cap? 4896 of adults| to improve. shouldn't be thinking i about a price cap? 4896 of adults say about a price cap? 48% of adults say they buy less when they are shopping forfood, 67% of they buy less when they are shopping for food, 67% of adults say the cost of living has increased in the past month, 96% reporting an increase in the price of food shop. it is really kicking people where it hurts so do we not need to think radically and drastically about what to do? yeah, i would agree _ drastically about what to do? yeah, i would agree completely _ drastically about what to do? yeah, i would agree completely with - drastically about what to do? yeah, i would agree completely with the l i would agree completely with the survey— i would agree completely with the survey results that you have.

everybody is feeling the pinch especially as a result of the cost of goods— especially as a result of the cost of goods increasing. other course that everybody is experiencing so it's not _ that everybody is experiencing so it's not just about food, it's the crunch— it's not just about food, it's the crunch up— it's not just about food, it's the crunch up fuel bills increasing, the cost of— crunch up fuel bills increasing, the cost of transport increasing, and for those — cost of transport increasing, and for those on a fixed income, that is the hardest — for those on a fixed income, that is the hardest part. in terms of price control, _ the hardest part. in terms of price control, they did not work in the 705. _ control, they did not work in the 70s. they— control, they did not work in the 705, they are not a solution for the current— 705, they are not a solution for the current state — 705, they are not a solution for the current state and the recent price5 current state and the recent prices are current 5tate and the recent prices are high— current 5tate and the recent prices are high is— current state and the recent prices are high is because of energy prices and the _ are high is because of energy prices and the cost of labour and transport. and the cost of labour and transom-— and the cost of labour and transort. ~ , .,, _ , transport. when people say they did not work in the _ transport. when people say they did not work in the 70s, _ transport. when people say they did not work in the 70s, there _ transport. when people say they did not work in the 70s, there are - transport. when people say they did not work in the 70s, there are lots l not work in the 70s, there are lots of factors that are so different now from then. we are in a different eat pork! from then. we are in a different eat ork! �* . . , from then. we are in a different eat ork! �* ., , , ., ., pork! agreed, that is why we do not think we should _ pork! agreed, that is why we do not think we should be _ pork! agreed, that is why we do not think we should be putting - pork! agreed, that is why we do not think we should be putting in - think we should be putting in controls _ think we should be putting in controls at this point. i think we've — controls at this point. i think we've got— controls at this point. i think we've got a really competitive supermarket industry in the uk, part of the _ supermarket industry in the uk, part of the reason why the prices we have

in the _ of the reason why the prices we have in the uk _ of the reason why the prices we have in the uk although they have increased substantially, are still much _ increased substantially, are still much lower than in other european countries _ much lower than in other european countries and that's not much consolidation for consumers but we do generally spend less as a proportion of our income than they do in _ proportion of our income than they do in other— proportion of our income than they do in other countries and as i say, because _ do in other countries and as i say, because we've got so many competitive retailers in the uk it means— competitive retailers in the uk it means as — competitive retailers in the uk it means as soon as they can, they will pass on— means as soon as they can, they will pass on price — means as soon as they can, they will pass on price reductions.— pass on price reductions. catherine, is that how — pass on price reductions. catherine, is that how it _ pass on price reductions. catherine, is that how it will _ pass on price reductions. catherine, is that how it will work? _ is that how it will work? absolutely. this price cap idea is ludicrous, how on earth that will work. they are saying it would be a voluntary thing but you know, does that mean every retailer in the country big and small has to volunteer towards it? the reality is that at the moment, there is a sort of enhanced price caps are lots of

listeners will know about this. price matching schemes in place in most of the supermarkets, they are price capped to mark the discount stores like aldi and lidl, a white loaf can be bought for 39p at the moment and i agree prices have gone up, that is evidentially correct but we are still quite competitive on price in the uk market forces will push the prices down. if you remember when we were talking back in covid times, they were called the fourth emergency service, murdered for helping the uk, the food supply chain were the heroes and here we are some years later and they are being put out as the poster boys for greed. i do not think that is the case. the last thing they want to see is raising prices for customers and they will let those four but one of the things we must learn about inflation as a generation who most

of us have never seen this much inflation and cannot remember what happened in the 70s if we were born thenis happened in the 70s if we were born then is that when prices go up and “p then is that when prices go up and up they do notjust fall back to where they were, they stay reasonably high, and my fall a little bit but we are going to have to get used to this, the increase in the price of goods we buy and i think that is what is difficult for people. it think that is what is difficult for --eole. . �* ., think that is what is difficult for --eole. ., �* ., think that is what is difficult for n-eole. ., �* ., ., ., people. it ain't going back to what it was, people. it ain't going back to what it was. that _ people. it ain't going back to what it was, that is _ people. it ain't going back to what it was, that is what _ people. it ain't going back to what it was, that is what you _ people. it ain't going back to what it was, that is what you are - people. it ain't going back to what | it was, that is what you are saying? nope. sainsbury�*s were on the tv talking about the fact they have reduced the price of some basic products and that will happen but you know, the retailers cannot win because if they do not pay for enough consumer say you need to be fair. if they do that that means they are not going to make as much profit. it's a really difficult circle and this cost of goods as we have been discussing has increased

and increased, the cost of labour and energy have gone up so the prices we are paying or more. but i think we can be reassured it's a very competitive market. the retailers watch prices like a hawk so the minute one person drops a price somebody else drops a price and it is really competitive but that does not make you feel good as a shopper at the minute because you are... it a shopper at the minute because you are... . . a shopper at the minute because you are... _, , a shopper at the minute because you are... , ., ~ are... it is a competitive market, that's ok! _ are... it is a competitive market, that's ok! and _ are... it is a competitive market, that's ok! and of _ are... it is a competitive market, that's ok! and of course - are... it is a competitive market, that's ok! and of course fixed . are... it is a competitive market, | that's ok! and of course fixed rate mortgages for some people coming to an end, inflation perilously and stubbornly high. and there will be a ramping up of border control seen on some people say a tangling of red tape which will make it even trickierfor tape which will make it even trickier for those in the tape which will make it even trickierfor those in the retail market and their margins will be even higher as well. thank you for getting in touch, you can call us on

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could find, it used to cost 50—60 p. i looked at them recently and theyl i looked at them recently and they have zoomed _ i looked at them recently and they have zoomed up— i looked at them recently and they have zoomed up to _ i looked at them recently and they have zoomed up to £1.— i looked at them recently and they have zoomed up to £1.a5 - i looked at them recently and they have zoomed up to £1.a5 a - have zoomed up to £1.a5 a pensioner. _ have zoomed up to £1.a5 a pensioner, that— have zoomed up to £1.a5 a pensioner, that is- have zoomed up to £1.a5 a pensioner, that is not- have zoomed up to £1.a5 a | pensioner, that is not good, have zoomed up to £1.a5 a - pensioner, that is not good, they have _ pensioner, that is not good, they have to _ pensioner, that is not good, they have to count _ pensioner, that is not good, they have to count their _ pensioner, that is not good, they have to count their pennies - pensioner, that is not good, they have to count their pennies and l pensioner, that is not good, they have to count their pennies and i| have to count their pennies and i think— have to count their pennies and i think this — have to count their pennies and i think this situation _ have to count their pennies and i think this situation is _ have to count their pennies and i think this situation is not - have to count their pennies and i think this situation is not a - have to count their pennies and i think this situation is not a case i think this situation is not a case ofjust_ think this situation is not a case ofiust pure _ think this situation is not a case ofjust pure greed. _ think this situation is not a case ofjust pure greed. it's- think this situation is not a case ofjust pure greed. it's criminall ofjust pure greed. it's criminal because — ofjust pure greed. it's criminal because these _ ofjust pure greed. it's criminal because these people, - ofjust pure greed. it's criminal because these people, the - ofjust pure greed. it's criminal- because these people, the suppliers, the makers. — because these people, the suppliers, the makers, whoever, _ because these people, the suppliers, the makers, whoever, or— because these people, the suppliers, the makers, whoever, or forcing - the makers, whoever, or forcing people _ the makers, whoever, or forcing people like — the makers, whoever, or forcing people like pensioners - the makers, whoever, or forcing people like pensioners to - the makers, whoever, or forcing people like pensioners to give i the makers, whoever, or forcing i people like pensioners to give their pets away— people like pensioners to give their pets away and _ people like pensioners to give their pets away and probably _ people like pensioners to give their pets away and probably causing - pets away and probably causing children— pets away and probably causing children a — pets away and probably causing children a lot _ pets away and probably causing children a lot of _ pets away and probably causing children a lot of anguish - pets away and probably causing children a lot of anguish as - pets away and probably causing i children a lot of anguish as well. thats— children a lot of anguish as well. that's my— children a lot of anguish as well. that's my take _ children a lot of anguish as well. that's my take for— children a lot of anguish as well. that's my take for today. - children a lot of anguish as well. that's my take for today. your. that's my take for today. your tuppence _ that's my take for today. your tuppence worth, _ that's my take for today. your tuppence worth, if— that's my take for today. your tuppence worth, if only - that's my take for today. your tuppence worth, if only at - that's my take for today. your| tuppence worth, if only at work that's my take for today.“ tuppence worth, if only at work and

it is a very good point to make and in our programme meeting this morning we were discussing whether to actually do that are said to be, a conversation in its own right and we will come to that, such an important component. having two elderly dogs myself, i am lucky enough to be able to meet the veterinary bills but they are extraordinarily high and every time we go i think my goodness me, an old dog needs to go to the vet, part of the family, your companion, it is a massive decision and the filled in itself, as you say, and these are, you know, these are little breathing lifelines for people, aren't they? they are. for some of us, the only friend _ they are. for some of us, the only friend sow —

they are. for some of us, the only friend sow i_ they are. for some of us, the only friend. so... ithink— they are. for some of us, the only friend. so... i think it's— friend. so... i think it's completely— friend. so... i think it's completely wrong. - friend. so... i think it's. completely wrong. there friend. so... i think it's- completely wrong. there must friend. so... i think it's— completely wrong. there must be some way can— completely wrong. there must be some way can be _ completely wrong. there must be some way can be levelled _ completely wrong. there must be some way can be levelled down _ completely wrong. there must be some way can be levelled down or— completely wrong. there must be some way can be levelled down or levelled . way can be levelled down or levelled off or _ way can be levelled down or levelled off or whatever _ way can be levelled down or levelled off or whatever they _ way can be levelled down or levelled off or whatever they need _ way can be levelled down or levelled off or whatever they need to - way can be levelled down or levelled off or whatever they need to do. - off or whatever they need to do. 100% _ off or whatever they need to do. 100% race. _ off or whatever they need to do. 100% race, isn't— off or whatever they need to do. 100% race, isn't it, _ off or whatever they need to do. 100% race, isn't it, from - off or whatever they need to do. 100% race, isn't it, from 50p - off or whatever they need to do. 100% race, isn't it, from 50p toi 100% race, isn't it, from 50p to £1, £1ten— 100% race, isn't it, from 50p to £1, it ten p~ _ 100% race, isn't it, from 50p to £1, it ten p~ it's— 100% race, isn't it, from 50p to £1, it ten p~ it's a— 100% race, isn't it, from 50p to £1, £1 ten p. it's a gradual— 100% race, isn't it, from 50p to £1, £1 ten p. it's a gradual thing. - 100% race, isn't it, from 50p to £1, £1 ten p. it's a gradual thing. i- £1 ten p. it's a gradual thing. i don't — £1 ten p. it's a gradual thing. i don't know— £1 ten p. it's a gradual thing. i don't know if— £1 ten p. it's a gradual thing. i don't know if the _ £1 ten p. it's a gradual thing. i don't know if the supermarketj don't know if the supermarket managers _ don't know if the supermarket managers themselves- don't know if the supermarket managers themselves are - don't know if the supermarket managers themselves are at i don't know if the supermarket - managers themselves are at fault, the wholesalers, _ managers themselves are at fault, the wholesalers, but _ managers themselves are at fault, the wholesalers, but every- managers themselves are at fault, the wholesalers, but every week, i the wholesalers, but every week, something — the wholesalers, but every week, something creeps— the wholesalers, but every week, something creeps up. _ the wholesalers, but every week, something creeps up. you - the wholesalers, but every week, something creeps up. you know? j something creeps up. you know? whatever— something creeps up. you know? whatever it — something creeps up. you know? whatever it is, _ something creeps up. you know? whatever it is, whether— something creeps up. you know? whatever it is, whether it's - something creeps up. you know? whatever it is, whether it's pet . whatever it is, whether it's pet food _ whatever it is, whether it's pet food or— whatever it is, whether it's pet food or whatever. _ whatever it is, whether it's pet food or whatever. i— whatever it is, whether it's pet food or whatever. i have - whatever it is, whether it's pet food or whatever. i have a - whatever it is, whether it's pet food or whatever. i have a jack| food or whatever. i have a jack russelt — food or whatever. i have a jack russelt she _ food or whatever. i have a jack russell. she is— food or whatever. i have a jack russell. she is nine. _ food or whatever. i have a jack russell. she is nine. she - food or whatever. i have a jack russell. she is nine. she has. food or whatever. i have a jack- russell. she is nine. she has become used to— russell. she is nine. she has become used to a _ russell. she is nine. she has become used to a sort— russell. she is nine. she has become used to a sort of— russell. she is nine. she has become used to a sort of square—shaped, - russell. she is nine. she has become used to a sort of square—shaped, i. used to a sort of square—shaped, i don't _ used to a sort of square—shaped, i don't know— used to a sort of square—shaped, i don't know if— used to a sort of square—shaped, i don't know if i_ used to a sort of square—shaped, i don't know if i am _ used to a sort of square—shaped, i don't know if i am allowed - used to a sort of square—shaped, i don't know if i am allowed to - used to a sort of square—shaped, ii don't know if i am allowed to name the makers. — don't know if i am allowed to name the makers. it— don't know if i am allowed to name the makers, it is— don't know if i am allowed to name the makers, it is like _ don't know if i am allowed to name the makers, it is like a _ don't know if i am allowed to name the makers, it is like a meatloaf, l the makers, it is like a meatloaf, she has— the makers, it is like a meatloaf, she has one _ the makers, it is like a meatloaf, she has one slice _ the makers, it is like a meatloaf, she has one slice of— the makers, it is like a meatloaf, she has one slice of that - the makers, it is like a meatloaf, she has one slice of that a - the makers, it is like a meatloaf, she has one slice of that a day, l the makers, it is like a meatloaf, i she has one slice of that a day, for each _ she has one slice of that a day, for each meal~ — 5he has one slice of that a day, for each meal~ they— she has one slice of that a day, for each meal. they started _ she has one slice of that a day, for each meal. they started out - she has one slice of that a day, for each meal. they started out as - she has one slice of that a day, for each meal. they started out as £1, now they _ each meal. they started out as £1, now they have _

each meal. they started out as £1, now they have crept _ each meal. they started out as £1, now they have crept up _ each meal. they started out as £1, now they have crept up £1.20, - each meal. they started out as £1, now they have crept up £1.20, in. now they have crept up £1.20, in some _ now they have crept up £1.20, in some shops _ now they have crept up £1.20, in some shops £1.50 _ now they have crept up £1.20, in some shops £1.50 and _ now they have crept up £1.20, in some shops £1.50 and i- now they have crept up £1.20, in some shops £1.50 and i do- now they have crept up £1.20, in some shops £1.50 and i do not. now they have crept up £1.20, in. some shops £1.50 and i do not see the need _ some shops £1.50 and i do not see the need for— some shops £1.50 and i do not see the need for such _ some shops £1.50 and i do not see the need for such regular- some shops £1.50 and i do not see the need for such regular and - some shops £1.50 and i do not seej the need for such regular and rapid rises _ the need for such regular and rapid rises in _ the need for such regular and rapid rises in price — the need for such regular and rapid rises in price-— the need for such regular and rapid rises in price. thank you for coming on and making _ rises in price. thank you for coming on and making these _ rises in price. thank you for coming on and making these points, - rises in price. thank you for coming on and making these points, these | on and making these points, these are essential is because your pet companion is an essential in your life and anyone who has that will know exactly what i am talking about. mental health at a premium. arthur and jackie are joining us. jackie in durham, how is it for you? not very good to be honest. as i said, in my text earlier, i happen working on my life, i am 62. and ageism in the workplace is a real problem, it exists. i've been unemployed now for well over a year. all my savings are gone. i worked

all my life, as i say, i've got a pension of £700 per month so therefore i do not qualify for any benefits. apparently that is more than enough to live on these days per month! and i am just not managing and i am eating cornflakes and toast now because i cannot really afford anything else. and literally embarrassing. i recently had to use a food bank, you get tokens sometimes and i had a food voucher and the thing that came to mind and again, i was born in the 60s, when they used to be free school meals and the teacher used to say free school meals to the front of the queue and she had to do the walk of shame. it felt like that. i

cannot believe i've got to this time in my life where i have worked all the time, had really well—paid jobs and now i am in this position. you are a brilliant _ and now i am in this position. you are a brilliant example, if i may say so, my god, toast and corn flakes and there but for the grace of whatever goes so many of us, you know? without a bit of luck in life. you are not frittering away on cigarettes for booze, as we heard earlier. obviously, that is the case, somehow, somewhere some people but it is not at the heart of this when we hear someone like you telling us about your situation, you have worked hard and you to the supermarket, it must be so depressing? l supermarket, it must be so depressing?— supermarket, it must be so de-iressin? , ., ., ., , depressing? i try not to, to be honest. depressing? ! try not to, to be honest- i— depressing? i try not to, to be honest- i go — depressing? i try not to, to be honest. i go to _ depressing? i try not to, to be honest. i go to a _ depressing? i try not to, to be honest. i go to a shop - depressing? i try not to, to be honest. i go to a shop on - depressing? i try not to, to be honest. i go to a shop on the i depressing? i try not to, to be - honest. i go to a shop on the corner of the street because i know i cannot afford a lot now. whereas a

shot before it would have cost you 40 or £50, it is £100 now. ijust do not have the money to do that and like one of your previous colours, i have a dog and to be honest, i would rather buy her the food she needs than buy it for myself. why is that? pardon? why is that? because she is a dependent? she pardon? why is that? because she is a dependent?— a dependent? she cannot exactly go out on her own _ a dependent? she cannot exactly go out on her own and _ a dependent? she cannot exactly go out on her own and i _ a dependent? she cannot exactly go out on her own and i want _ a dependent? she cannot exactly go out on her own and i want to - a dependent? she cannot exactly go out on her own and i want to look i out on her own and i want to look after my dog. i cannot see a way out. i am seriously depressed at the moment. on antidepressants with my gp because i cannot see a way out. i cannot see it getting any better and it's all very well the government and everybody is saying you must wait until you're to get your

pension which it is at the moment. but unfortunately employers do not think the same. the lastjob i did i was a pharmaceutical sales manager and i did well in the first interviews, over the telephone and then they see the age i am and i think, there is no return on investment here, how long will she keep working? it isn't that i do not want to work, it is just that no one will employ me now because of my age. it is a sad situation, it is one that you think, i have always been willing to work, i have always paid my dues, there isn't anybody now that wants to employ me to continue the lifestyle that i had. and your little door, she is so

important to you, like our previous caller said. important to you, like our previous caller said-— caller said. she is the thing that kee -s me caller said. she is the thing that keeps me going. _ caller said. she is the thing that keeps me going, to _ caller said. she is the thing that keeps me going, to be - caller said. she is the thing that keeps me going, to be honest. | caller said. she is the thing that - keeps me going, to be honest. there have been— keeps me going, to be honest. there have been times, _ keeps me going, to be honest. there have been times, i— keeps me going, to be honest. there have been times, i think, _ keeps me going, to be honest. there have been times, i think, what- keeps me going, to be honest. there have been times, i think, what is- have been times, i think, what is the point — have been times, i think, what is the point and _ have been times, i think, what is the point and then _ have been times, i think, what is the point and then i— have been times, i think, what is the point and then i think- have been times, i think, what is the point and then i think i - have been times, i think, what is the point and then i think i need i have been times, i think, what is. the point and then i think i need to iet the point and then i think i need to get up _ the point and then i think i need to get up and — the point and then i think i need to get up and feed _ the point and then i think i need to get up and feed and _ the point and then i think i need to get up and feed and walk- the point and then i think i need to get up and feed and walk the - the point and then i think i need to get up and feed and walk the dog, | get up and feed and walk the dog, you know? — get up and feed and walk the dog, you know? do _ get up and feed and walk the dog, ou know? ,, get up and feed and walk the dog, ou know? i. ., , .,, get up and feed and walk the dog, ou know? ., , �* you know? do you have people you're talkini to you know? do you have people you're talking to and — you know? do you have people you're talking to and supporting _ you know? do you have people you're talking to and supporting you? - you know? do you have people you're talking to and supporting you? you? i talking to and supporting you? you? yes, es, talking to and supporting you? you? yes. yes. yes- _ talking to and supporting you? you? yes. yes. yes- ltut— talking to and supporting you? you? yes, yes, yes. but it _ talking to and supporting you? you? yes, yes, yes. but it is _ talking to and supporting you? you? yes, yes, yes. but it is a _ talking to and supporting you? you? yes, yes, yes. but it is a dreadful situation — yes, yes, yes. but it is a dreadful situation. ~ , ., , , ., ~ ., situation. when you speak to them, do ou iet situation. when you speak to them, do you get a — situation. when you speak to them, do you get a feeling, _ situation. when you speak to them, do you get a feeling, it _ situation. when you speak to them, do you get a feeling, it is _ do you get a feeling, it is desperately upsetting hearing from you, do you get the feeling you know, we are all in the same boat here. a bit of understanding? you're not alone, that is what i am trying to say? not alone, that is what i am trying to sa ? ., ., ., ., ., not alone, that is what i am trying tosa ? ., ., ., ., ., , to say? no, i am not alone but i have borrowed _ to say? no, i am not alone but i have borrowed as _ to say? no, i am not alone but i have borrowed as much - to say? no, i am not alone but i have borrowed as much as - to say? no, i am not alone but i have borrowed as much as i - to say? no, i am not alone but i have borrowed as much as i can | to say? no, i am not alone but i - have borrowed as much as i can from people _ have borrowed as much as i can from people and — have borrowed as much as i can from people and i— have borrowed as much as i can from

people. and i would _ have borrowed as much as i can from people. and i would not— have borrowed as much as i can from people. and i would not ask- have borrowed as much as i can from people. and i would not ask family. people. and i would not ask family to do— people. and i would not ask family to do any— people. and i would not ask family to do any more _ people. and i would not ask family to do any more. but _ people. and i would not ask family to do any more. but some - people. and i would not ask family to do any more. but some of- people. and i would not ask family to do any more. but some of my. to do any more. but some of my family— to do any more. but some of my family do— to do any more. but some of my family do not— to do any more. but some of my family do not have _ to do any more. but some of my family do not have a _ to do any more. but some of my family do not have a clue - to do any more. but some of my family do not have a clue about. to do any more. but some of my. family do not have a clue about how i am family do not have a clue about how i am not _ family do not have a clue about how lam not managing— family do not have a clue about how i am not managing and _ family do not have a clue about how i am not managing and i— family do not have a clue about how i am not managing and i am - family do not have a clue about how i am not managing and i am even, i i am not managing and i am even, when— i am not managing and i am even, whenthe— i am not managing and i am even, when the government— i am not managing and i am even, when the government says - i am not managing and i am even, i when the government says everybody has something — when the government says everybody has something they _ when the government says everybody has something they can _ when the government says everybody has something they can get _ when the government says everybody has something they can get some - has something they can get some benefits— has something they can get some benefits or— has something they can get some benefits or some _ has something they can get some benefits or some help, _ has something they can get some benefits or some help, as- has something they can get some benefits or some help, as long i has something they can get some benefits or some help, as long asj benefits or some help, as long as you claim — benefits or some help, as long as you claim some _ benefits or some help, as long as you claim some sort— benefits or some help, as long as you claim some sort of— benefits or some help, as long as you claim some sort of benefit, i benefits or some help, as long as. you claim some sort of benefit, and i you claim 5ome sort of benefit, and i cannot— you claim some sort of benefit, and i cannot get— you claim some sort of benefit, and i cannot get any _ you claim some sort of benefit, and i cannot get any. so _ you claim some sort of benefit, and i cannot get any. so i _ you claim some sort of benefit, and i cannot get any. so i am _ you claim some sort of benefit, and i cannot get any. so i am kind - you claim some sort of benefit, and i cannot get any. so i am kind of. i cannot get any. so i am kind of the hidden — i cannot get any. so i am kind of the hidden unemployed - i cannot get any. so i am kind of the hidden unemployed person, | i cannot get any. so i am kind of. the hidden unemployed person, if i cannot get any. so i am kind of- the hidden unemployed person, if you like. the hidden unemployed person, if you like i— the hidden unemployed person, if you like. ~ ., ~ ., ., like. i get it, 62, worked hard all our life. like. i get it, 62, worked hard all your life- let _ like. i get it, 62, worked hard all your life. let me _ like. i get it, 62, worked hard all your life. let me bring _ like. i get it, 62, worked hard all your life. let me bring author- like. i get it, 62, worked hard all| your life. let me bring author ken and i am so pleased you have called us. you paint a necessarily stark and real picture. it is not in the abstract, it is so worth, what did you say, cornflakes and toast? my

god! author, pleasejoin us. goad god! author, please 'oin us. good mornini god! author, please 'oin us. good morning h god! author, please 'oin us. good morning sir. yet _ god! author, please 'oin us. good morning sir. yet n. — god! author, please join us. good morning sir. yet n. you _ god! author, please join us. good morning sir. yet n. you are - god! author, please join us. good morning sir. yet n. you are very i morning sir. yet n. you are very welcome- _ morning sir. yet n. you are very welcome. thank— morning sir. yet n. you are very welcome. thank you. _ morning sir. yet n. you are very welcome. thank you. my - morning sir. yet n. you are very l welcome. thank you. my thoughts morning sir. yet n. you are very - welcome. thank you. my thoughts are, i come in from — welcome. thank you. my thoughts are, i come in from a _ welcome. thank you. my thoughts are, i come in from a slightly _ welcome. thank you. my thoughts are, i come in from a slightly different - i come in from a slightly different angle _ i come in from a slightly different angle i_ i come in from a slightly different angle. i have every sympathy for people _ angle. i have every sympathy for people that are really struggling. we work— people that are really struggling. we work within the agricultural industry. — we work within the agricultural industry, we are farmers and will work— industry, we are farmers and will work for— industry, we are farmers and will work for plymouth in the agricultural industry and what really— agricultural industry and what really knows a lot of people and farmers. — really knows a lot of people and farmers, people working in the agriculture industry is that a base price _ agriculture industry is that a base price for— agriculture industry is that a base price for what will receive for our products— price for what will receive for our products are so low compared to the price it _ products are so low compared to the price it is _ products are so low compared to the price it is being sold to the consumer. i'm the big example at the moment— consumer. i'm the big example at the moment 5 _ consumer. i'm the big example at the moment 5 milk has dropped in price

to farmers _ moment 5 milk has dropped in price to farmers by nearly one third, they have actually had one third in the price _ have actually had one third in the price cut — have actually had one third in the price cut and are they going to see a drop— price cut and are they going to see a drop of— price cut and are they going to see a drop of some description in the supermarkets? this is really, the problem — supermarkets? this is really, the problem is. — supermarkets? this is really, the problem is, the supply chain through the supermarkets is so complex that it is siphoning off a lot of the base — it is siphoning off a lot of the base money. and that is what is putting — base money. and that is what is putting prices up. in the shops. chris is director at the british retail consortium, speak to him, make your point. i retail consortium, speak to him, make your point.— retail consortium, speak to him, make your point. i am here. ? go on, s-eak to make your point. i am here. ? go on, speak to chris- _ make your point. i am here. ? go on, speak to chris. the _ make your point. i am here. ? go on, speak to chris. the problem - make your point. i am here. ? go on, speak to chris. the problem is - make your point. i am here. ? go on, speak to chris. the problem is the i speak to chris. the problem is the

desi i n speak to chris. the problem is the desiin of speak to chris. the problem is the design of the _ speak to chris. the problem is the design of the said _ speak to chris. the problem is the design of the said bike _ speak to chris. the problem is the design of the said bike chain, - speak to chris. the problem is the design of the said bike chain, it i speak to chris. the problem is the design of the said bike chain, it is| design of the said bike chain, it is the modern — design of the said bike chain, it is the modern world we live in. everything costs so much. —— the supply— everything costs so much. —— the supply chain _ everything costs so much. —— the supply chain. to get from it if it product — supply chain. to get from it if it product is — supply chain. to get from it if it product is something that is sold to the consumer, in all fairness, it is not only— the consumer, in all fairness, it is not only agriculture, food supply, it is across — not only agriculture, food supply, it is across a broad range of products _ it is across a broad range of products. i do not know how this can be altered _ products. i do not know how this can be altered. there are so many people taking _ be altered. there are so many people taking a _ be altered. there are so many people taking a little bite of the cherry and they— taking a little bite of the cherry and they all want a profit, and you are dealing — and they all want a profit, and you are dealing with big companies who want a _ are dealing with big companies who want a big — are dealing with big companies who want a big bite of the cherry at times — want a big bite of the cherry at times. ~ ., , ,. , times. what he is describing exemplifies _ times. what he is describing exemplifies the _ times. what he is describing exemplifies the challenge i times. what he is describing - exemplifies the challenge retailers face on the one hand, to make sure they are paying their suppliers a fair price, and on the other hand, keeping prices as low as possible for consumers. at the tail end of that we see in terms of profits that

we tell a snake, it is a couple of percent at best of the overall sales they are making. it is not that they are taking an unfair chunk of their profits along the chain, i did not recognise one third of the cross braces going down from deary sepp supply. braces going down from deary sepp supply, but dairy commodity prices are falling. the markets go up and down, but that increase substantially in the last year too. consumers out seeing the prices on the shelves, retailers want to reduce them.— the shelves, retailers want to reduce them. ., ~ . ., reduce them. thank you so much. your thouihts reduce them. thank you so much. your thoughts and — reduce them. thank you so much. your thoughts and opinions _ reduce them. thank you so much. your thoughts and opinions are _ reduce them. thank you so much. your thoughts and opinions are so _ thoughts and opinions are so important. we want to hear more of them as well. powerful stuff up to this point, inevitably unpredictably

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it is food prices, food inflation, how about you coping until ten o'clock. at ten o'clock, so many of you and i have experienced which are break—ins. think about it, text us, phone us, the lines are open. talking about this after a terrifying incident at actor benedict cumberbatch's home when a knife wielding chef broke into his family's house. appalling and horrific. so many of us, if you have been through this, you know how they felt. you do not

have to see the person, someone has beenin have to see the person, someone has been in your inner sanctum about yourfamily was there. been in your inner sanctum about your family was there. what is the word gay violated. people feel the violation. —— violated. this was in england and wales last year, homes and businesses, every two minutes there is a burglary. if your house has been broken into, how did it make you feel? what was the response of the police like? that is at ten o'clock. i want to bring a callerfrom

guildford, and a food bank volunteer. let me speak to and, top of my list, let's talk to cheryl in guildford. it struggled for a year, can you explain how much? i have bouiht can you explain how much? i have bought two _ can you explain how much? i have bought two children, _ can you explain how much? i have bought two children, i _ can you explain how much? i have bought two children, i am - bought two children, i am a stay—at—home mother, one year ago, i used to spend 150 pounds with a budget, sorting out all the budget, making sure we had the money ready, since the price rises, it is not only the price rise, the fuel goes up, everything has gone up double. it is so difficult. its three year and a ten year one in nappies, one

is picky about food, they will not eat the view. it is difficult. my mother is working, we can save on rent. it is hard trouble. only me and the children met my mother, my mother is working, she gets her salary at the end of the month, my benefits come in in the middle of the month, but it is still difficult even when the separation between payments. we struggle and we try. i have not had many feedback ourselves because there are not many where we

live. we still try even if it means asking my nan for food live. we still try even if it means asking my nan forfood our live. we still try even if it means asking my nan for food our travel. even the travel has gone up. prices are going to very it is scary. i am starting to wonder if people will be able to live by the end of the year at this rate. not only the people struggling on only benefits, people with benefits and salaries, i am worried for everybody. not only myself, everybody. it is worried for everybody. not only myself, everybody.— worried for everybody. not only myself, everybody. it is a strong contribution. _ myself, everybody. it is a strong contribution. i— myself, everybody. it is a strong contribution. i am _ myself, everybody. it is a strong contribution. i am sure - myself, everybody. it is a strong contribution. i am sure that - myself, everybody. it is a strong contribution. i am sure that willl contribution. i am sure that will resonate with so many people. i will come to some of the text in his second. that morning to you. good mornini. second. that morning to you. good morning- we _ second. that morning to you. good morning- we as— second. that morning to you. good

morning. we as a _ second. that morning to you. good morning. we as a family, - second. that morning to you. good morning. we as a family, we - second. that morning to you. (limp. morning. we as a family, we are savvy shoppers, we shop at different places. we shop at discount retailers, main supermarkets and we shop at different times. we go to the supermarket at eight o'clock at night to get the red and yellow stickers. to see what bargains we can get. hope you can ensure the money lasts. that involves driving which other people cannot have that luxury. where we left, we are trying to maximise our budget for what we can get for our money. you to maximise our budget for what we can get for our money.— can get for our money. you are luc . can get for our money. you are lucky- you — can get for our money. you are lucky- you can _ can get for our money. you are lucky. you can get _ can get for our money. you are lucky. you can get things - can get for our money. you are i lucky. you can get things sussed. you can plan it out, you have a strategy. it is easier said than done for a lot of people. figs

strategy. it is easier said than done for a lot of people. $5 i strategy. it is easier said than done for a lot of people. as i said, it is easy if — done for a lot of people. as i said, it is easy if you _ done for a lot of people. as i said, it is easy if you have _ done for a lot of people. as i said, it is easy if you have a _ done for a lot of people. as i said, it is easy if you have a vehicle - done for a lot of people. as i said, it is easy if you have a vehicle and| it is easy if you have a vehicle and can get to the supermarket and different places. for us, it is knowing what is cheap and trying not to make a special trip, that is false economy, but if i am at work and there is something cheaper, i will get it when i am at work. catherine, what we are getting from people, it has caught people unawares when you compare to pre—pandemic. nobody thought it would come to this kind of thing. listening to the studies this morning, it is heartbreaking, people have worked all their lives, we were

not ready— have worked all their lives, we were not ready for this and it is a shock _ not ready for this and it is a shock we _ not ready for this and it is a shock. we have had very little food prices _ shock. we have had very little food prices since — shock. we have had very little food prices since the second world war. have _ prices since the second world war. have the _ prices since the second world war. have the prices been to lord king is a conversation, we have been used to this, a conversation, we have been used to this. it _ a conversation, we have been used to this. it is _ a conversation, we have been used to this. it is very— a conversation, we have been used to this, it is very difficult, we can have _ this, it is very difficult, we can have a — this, it is very difficult, we can have a clever conversation but the reality— have a clever conversation but the reality is _ have a clever conversation but the reality is if— have a clever conversation but the reality is if you are trying to feed your— reality is if you are trying to feed your two — reality is if you are trying to feed your two children are living as a pensioner— your two children are living as a pensioner with your animal, that conversation does not mean much if you do— conversation does not mean much if you do not— conversation does not mean much if you do not have the money in your bank— you do not have the money in your bank account to go shopping. it is interesting — bank account to go shopping. it is interesting listening to paul, he is trying _ interesting listening to paul, he is trying really hard to shop around which _ trying really hard to shop around which lots — trying really hard to shop around which lots of people out doing, being _ which lots of people out doing, being a — which lots of people out doing, being a savvy shopper, but he recognises that is not the same for everybody —

recognises that is not the same for everybody. at the corner shop, it is going _ everybody. at the corner shop, it is going to _ everybody. at the corner shop, it is going to be — everybody. at the corner shop, it is going to be more expensive because you cannot _ going to be more expensive because you cannot access a big supermarket. there _ you cannot access a big supermarket. there is— you cannot access a big supermarket. there is a _ you cannot access a big supermarket. there is a lot — you cannot access a big supermarket. there is a lot of inequality across the uk _ there is a lot of inequality across the uk that people are feeling. i think— the uk that people are feeling. i think it — the uk that people are feeling. i think it has caught us by surprise and we _ think it has caught us by surprise and we are — think it has caught us by surprise and we are not ready for it. this is impacting — and we are not ready for it. this is impacting everyone in their daily life. impacting everyone in their daily life we — impacting everyone in their daily life. we are all saying i have noticed _ life. we are all saying i have noticed the difference and it is a bil noticed the difference and it is a big difference and how can we cope with this?? — big difference and how can we cope with this? ? a big difference and how can we cope with this? ? �* big difference and how can we cope with this??— with this? ? a few years ago. a lot of ieoile with this? ? a few years ago. a lot of people were — with this? ? a few years ago. a lot of people were trying _ with this? ? a few years ago. a lot of people were trying to _ with this? ? a few years ago. a lot of people were trying to get - with this? ? a few years ago. a lot of people were trying to get a - of people were trying to get a chicken that had a decent life. that idealism has flown the coop. some text, i own a bakery in gloucester, if i do not pick the prices up, we will not survive and her staff lose their salaries have gone up, i am

working 12 hours a day to keep my staff any job. working 12 hours a day to keep my staff anyjob. this one, i cannot work due to poor health, i am on the incapable of work element of universal credit, i probably did not read it properly, by the time i have paid everything, i have 360 pence a month which cannot last the month. i am not proud to admit this, but i have resorted to stealing food. the price of items increase on a biweekly basis and i cannot keep up. anonymous in liverpool. thank you for your honesty. as a single lady in my 50s and £169 a fortnight, then sing from food banks weekly, to put food on their table, bills are 470 2p a quarter, spending days at the

library to keep bills down on surfing on a bus. staying out of the house not to run up bills. finding different for banks, it is embarrassing and degrading and getting turned away as you need a referral. bills are a priority. the future is scary. fraserjones is a farmer, we might have you envision. your side of things, how is it going? figs your side of things, how is it oiiin? �* , ., your side of things, how is it oiiin? �*,., ., , your side of things, how is it oiiin? ., , ., your side of things, how is it iioin? ., , ., , your side of things, how is it oiiin? ., , ., , ., going? as a dairy farmer costs have inralled, going? as a dairy farmer costs have spiralled. energy. _ going? as a dairy farmer costs have spiralled, energy, machinery, - spiralled, energy, machinery, labour, it's gone up 25%. arab costs have risen we have seen our price being paid by arab milk buyer

dropped by 10p since january. we are feeling the pinch at the moment. we are below the cost of production. a lot of supermarket models run on, we are paid less than that. it is difficult times. i appreciate it, for everybody. i think food has probably been too cheap for a long time. the percentage people are paying for food out of their salary is less than it used to be. it is to be a greater proportion of your weekly income than what it is currently. we have got a lot of environmental measures we have to comply with that the government have put on us, and to meet these

regulations, we need more money for what we are selling, and without that, we cannot meet those. it is pitting farmers out of business because they cannot invest in the business to meet the new regulations to stay viable. business to meet the new regulations to stay viable-— to stay viable. another text here, we had jackie _ to stay viable. another text here, we had jackie on _ to stay viable. another text here, we had jackie on earlier— to stay viable. another text here, we had jackie on earlier he - to stay viable. another text here, we had jackie on earlier he was i to stay viable. another text here, | we had jackie on earlier he was 62 and pre—pension, encountering ageism. one text here, i agree with jackie, my husband and i are nearly 60, we have average incomes but not entitled to help, the market has risen £400 per month, food prices up, energy bill up, we are expected to find hundreds of pounds from nowhere. it makes you wonder if you would be better not working and on benefit. i knew there would be lots

of text. i want to speak to you, a food bank volunteer. how does it work? for people who have never experienced this, we heard you need a referral, is that right? for it normal for — a referral, is that right? for it normal for bank, _ a referral, is that right? for it normal for bank, you - a referral, is that right? for it normal for bank, you need i a referral, is that right? for it normal for bank, you need a i a referral, is that right? for it - normalfor bank, you need a referral from your housing on the server gp, but we are a third share project, we did not ask for referrals from anywhere, we will search it out if you come to us. we collect our food from supermarkets, surplus fit that would thrown out, most of it is edible quality, we saw to it and serve it, people choose what they want, we are different to a food bank who give out trend and long life said. it gets a bit repetitive. these things are needed, but variety

gives you a boost. the supplement what the food banks do. fine gives you a boost. the supplement what the food banks do.— gives you a boost. the supplement what the food banks do. are you very bus ? we what the food banks do. are you very busy? we started _ what the food banks do. are you very busy? we started off _ what the food banks do. are you very busy? we started off two _ what the food banks do. are you very busy? we started off two days - what the food banks do. are you very busy? we started off two days a - busy? we started off two days a week, we needed _ busy? we started off two days a week, we needed to _ busy? we started off two days a week, we needed to get - busy? we started off two days a week, we needed to get 30 - busy? we started off two days a week, we needed to get 30 per| busy? we started off two days a - week, we needed to get 30 per day, week, we needed to get 30 per day, we are now up to 80 and on sunday we had 100 visitors are children, elderly people, people who are working, who not get supplements and are having to spread what letter company had to ever increasing bills. people are saying food prices are dabbling in the super matter and we know they are not going to drop down to where they were pre—price rise. something is going to break. people cannot eat i managed to survive because they are eating cheap, per quality food to get through each day. not a varied our healthy diet, eat what you can

afford. figs healthy diet, eat what you can afford. �* , , ., healthy diet, eat what you can afford. a ,, healthy diet, eat what you can afford. a ., afford. as you say, those days are ione. afford. as you say, those days are me. we afford. as you say, those days are gone- we have — afford. as you say, those days are gone. we have heard _ afford. as you say, those days are gone. we have heard from - afford. as you say, those days are gone. we have heard from a - afford. as you say, those days are gone. we have heard from a lot i afford. as you say, those days are j gone. we have heard from a lot of people this morning who have pets, they are a lifeline away from the minutes, their companions, the app on their own, they are much loved and people are struggling with pet food. we and people are struggling with pet food. ~ .., . and people are struggling with pet food. . . ., . ., and people are struggling with pet food. ~ _, . ., , .,, food. we collect whatever people donate and _ food. we collect whatever people donate and rehome _ food. we collect whatever people donate and rehome it. _ food. we collect whatever people donate and rehome it. we - food. we collect whatever people donate and rehome it. we have l food. we collect whatever people l donate and rehome it. we have pet food, pet food supplies, toilet roll, washing detergent, long life food? short life fit, frozen food, a huge amount of frozen fit at the weekend, people went away and saying they could have check in, they had not had meat for several days. the children can have fruit. whatever is needed, pets are very welcome at her

feet share and we will do our utmost to make sure they are looked after, there will be a knock—on effect in rescue centres where dogs will be taken because people cannot afford to feed them. i taken because people cannot afford to feed them-— to feed them. i am going to talk to a student at _ to feed them. i am going to talk to a student at the _ to feed them. i am going to talk to a student at the university - to feed them. i am going to talk to a student at the university of - a student at the university of sussex. what are your contemporaries saying about this? saying that i am calling in to talk about how the price has increased so dramatically, it is affecting diet and health of students. ., , ., , , students. people are buying essentials — students. people are buying essentials like _ students. people are buying essentials like fruit - students. people are buying essentials like fruit and - students. people are buying| essentials like fruit and veg, students. people are buying - essentials like fruit and veg, and only bank— essentials like fruit and veg, and only bank they basics like bread, milk and — only bank they basics like bread, milk and butter. it is affecting the mental— milk and butter. it is affecting the mental health of people and their capacity— mental health of people and their capacity to study and contribute to what they— capacity to study and contribute to what they set out to do. the

capacity to study and contribute to what they set out to do.— what they set out to do. the point catherine mead, _ what they set out to do. the point catherine mead, people _ what they set out to do. the point catherine mead, people are - what they set out to do. the point| catherine mead, people are giving what they set out to do. the point i catherine mead, people are giving up on the healthy things, fruit and vegetables are a luxury. should it be like this or is it about savvy shopping two one be like this or is it about savvy shopping two— be like this or is it about savvy shoiiiintwo., ., . ., , shopping two one of the challenges for students. _ shopping two one of the challenges for students, the _ shopping two one of the challenges for students, the cost _ shopping two one of the challenges for students, the cost of _ for students, the cost of accommodation has rocketed, and it is very difficult, let's be honest, the last ten to 15 years, we have not taught people how to pick in skills, in terms of management of your finances, skills, in terms of management of yourfinances, buying right food, buying things in season, it is falling apart. some people are quite good at managing and others who are not. if you have not been taught how to cook and prefer fluid, not. if you have not been taught how to cook and preferfluid, if not. if you have not been taught how to cook and prefer fluid, if you not. if you have not been taught how to cook and preferfluid, if you use

preprepared food, it costs more. —— preprepared food, it costs more. —— preprepared food. i preprepared food, it costs more. -- preprepared food.— preprepared food, it costs more. -- preprepared food. i want to bring an end on the point, _ preprepared food. i want to bring an end on the point, talking _ preprepared food. i want to bring an end on the point, talking about i end on the point, talking about decreasing ability to cook, home economics, good morning. same back one of my points, the last lady spoke. — one of my points, the last lady spoke, when i was in school many 5poke, when i was in school many years— spoke, when i was in school many years ago. — spoke, when i was in school many years ago, we were taught home economics. — years ago, we were taught home economics, how to make simple reasonable nourishing meals. that disappeared long ago. i know this does _ disappeared long ago. i know this does not — disappeared long ago. i know this does not apply to everyone, i do not want to— does not apply to everyone, i do not want to sound harsh but more and more _ want to sound harsh but more and more people have relied on takeaway and fast _ more people have relied on takeaway and fast food far too many years. we have seen _ and fast food far too many years. we have seen it — and fast food far too many years. we have seen it in the country, people who have _ have seen it in the country, people who have put on weight, going the

way of— who have put on weight, going the way of the — who have put on weight, going the way of the united states, and part of the _ way of the united states, and part of the problem, i had three small children. — of the problem, i had three small children, my husband had a decent 'ob, children, my husband had a decent job. i_ children, my husband had a decent job. i had _ children, my husband had a decent job. i had to — children, my husband had a decent job, i had to count every penny when my children — job, i had to count every penny when my children were little, i went to the supermarket and i would count up because _ the supermarket and i would count up because i_ the supermarket and i would count up because i could not put things in the basket because we did not have the basket because we did not have the money — the basket because we did not have the money. it is not easy, but it is possible _ the money. it is not easy, but it is possible to — the money. it is not easy, but it is possible to make reasonable meals at a cheap _ possible to make reasonable meals at a cheap price. for instance, i can buy a _ a cheap price. for instance, i can buy a packet— a cheap price. for instance, i can buy a packet of pasta at four 30p in the supermarket, a jar of sauce is over— the supermarket, a jar of sauce is over 1p. _ the supermarket, a jar of sauce is over tp. add — the supermarket, a jar of sauce is over 1p, add cheese and you have a nourishing — over 1p, add cheese and you have a nourishing and tasty meal for four for less— nourishing and tasty meal for four for less than £2. | nourishing and tasty meal for four for less than £2.— nourishing and tasty meal for four for less than £2. i am glad that you came on to — for less than £2. i am glad that you came on to represent _ for less than £2. i am glad that you came on to represent that, - for less than £2. i am glad that you i came on to represent that, although pasta and cheese has gone up. i but;

pasta and cheese has gone up. i buy the cheapest — pasta and cheese has gone up. i buy the cheapest pasta, _ pasta and cheese has gone up. i buy the cheapest pasta, 30p for a large packet _ the cheapest pasta, 30p for a large packet the — the cheapest pasta, 30p for a large packet the local supermarket. john, what would you _ packet the local supermarket. john, what would you like _ packet the local supermarket. john, what would you like to _ packet the local supermarket. john, what would you like to see? - packet the local supermarket. john, what would you like to see? i i packet the local supermarket. john, what would you like to see? i am i what would you like to see? i am honoured to _ what would you like to see? i am honoured to speak— what would you like to see? i am honoured to speak to _ what would you like to see? i am honoured to speak to you, i what would you like to see? i an honoured to speak to you, yesterday, i went to the shop, i had £60, i thought it would be more than enough to get a week of food, i was shocked, it was £67, i mean, i retired from the fire service 12 years ago with ptsd, i walked around and i asked various companies if they could employ me, losing track,

getting back, iam they could employ me, losing track, getting back, i am shocked. they could employ me, losing track, getting back, iam shocked. if they could employ me, losing track, getting back, i am shocked. if i was scared before, iam getting back, i am shocked. if i was scared before, i am really scared now. the farmer said the prices have been too low, i did not know what segment of society that is for. if 5%, i am 5% who do not get benefits, go through life to try and get by on what we have, that is how we were brought up, do not ask for anything, i would say, you as a firefighter, you have done so much for us, your role in society, thejob it in our

world, role in society, the 'ob it in our world, ., ., , ., , world, there are lots of people, there are _ world, there are lots of people, there are many _ world, there are lots of people, there are many people - world, there are lots of people, there are many people that i world, there are lots of people, there are many people that are| there are many people that are struggling, i don't know, you should not have to live in society where you have to ask for help. i do not know what the government are thinking when people are relying on food banks, the keep pushing up inflation and creating this society and wealth according to tony blair. why does it not apply to everyone? why does it not apply to everyone? why can we not live in a society where we are treated fairly and recognised it cannot only be, get up and work, a lot of people find that difficult. i am and work, a lot of people find that difficult. iam not and work, a lot of people find that difficult. i am not saying we should have had debts, but where is the help for people like myself,

probably millions of a few to make her mark in the world? to stand proud and say i am not struggling. is it my fault? is it someone else's fault? . ~' , ., is it my fault? is it someone else's fault? ., ,, i. ., is it my fault? is it someone else's fault? ., ,, ., , ., fault? thank you for your brilliant questions- _ fault? thank you for your brilliant questions. let's _ fault? thank you for your brilliant questions. let's talk _ fault? thank you for your brilliant questions. let's talk again. i fault? thank you for your brilliant questions. let's talk again. stay i fault? thank you for your brilliant | questions. let's talk again. stay in touch. take care of yourself. i know it is a cliche, thank you for what you have done in yourjob for us. we are going to talk about break—ins now and _ we are going to talk about break—ins now and your experience. it we are going to talk about break-ins now and your experience. it happened to mark davenport, _ now and your experience. it happened to mark davenport, it _ now and your experience. it happened to mark davenport, it happened i now and your experience. it happened to mark davenport, it happened to i to mark davenport, it happened to raheem sterling and the latest big name celebrity is benedict cumberbatch but it has happened to so many of you as well. terrifying,

that violation, the violation of your sanctuary, that threat to your family. why the police doing enough, have they given up on it? we want to hear your experiences of break—ins this morning. more than 270,000 burglaries recorded in england and wales last year, homes and businesses. i remember many years ago when it happened to us, we got home and we could still smell the sweat. every two minutes there is a burglary in this country, contact us on 08085 909693, textus en 85085, and you can get us on social media as well. this hour is about your experience of burglaries.

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started their mission to china's space station. one of the crew — a 36—year—old university professor — is the first chinese civilian to go to space. he'll carry out science experiments — in his five months onboard the tiangong space station. when it happens to a massive name, show business name, sporting name, acting name, like benedict cumberbatch or mark davenport, raheem sterling, it hits the news, you know? but it happens to a lot of us, a load of you, it doesn't hit the news, it comes and goes and you have to live with it. the police are as we no severely overstretched so

it's notjust about going for the diadem is under cartier, it's about going into your house and nicking your laptop and the fact a stranger gets in. it is emotionally devastating. get in touch and tell us about your experience. we have a collar from us about your experience. we have a collarfrom norwich. good morning. it's terrible, isn't it, what happened?— it's terrible, isn't it, what haiiened? ., , , it's terrible, isn't it, what haiiened? ., , ., happened? really scary, there was no ih sical happened? really scary, there was no physical attack— happened? really scary, there was no physical attack but _ happened? really scary, there was no physical attack but it _ happened? really scary, there was no physical attack but it was _ happened? really scary, there was no physical attack but it was during i physical attack but it was during the night. i think it wasjust an opportunistic thing, i had a keyhole lock in the back door and i noticed in the morning there was an empty space in the lounge were a games console and my handbag had been taken and they had taken what they wanted in the back patio and they had chucked the rest but the thing that affected me most, a lot of the

norfolk cottagers, the only bathroom is upstairs through a bathroom, my bedroom was downstairs, my lamp was on, the doors were open so when they came and they would have seen me sleeping and i think that affected me the most. i had to go out and did my food shops, i had to go out and go to the city and i would think was a due that saw me sleeping? it was not knowing, that person would have known who i was and i still get nightmares, it was quite some years ago, they are very subtle. it's things like dreaming i am seeing and iin myface things like dreaming i am seeing and i in my face through the door and i wake up sweating and i have to check every room in the house. there wake up sweating and i have to check every room in the house.— every room in the house. there is something _ every room in the house. there is something about _ every room in the house. there is something about it, _ every room in the house. there is something about it, isn't - every room in the house. there is something about it, isn't there? i something about it, isn't there? thatjust something about it, isn't there? that just stays with you. something about it, isn't there? thatjust stays with you. that

moment, the shock, that chilling moment, the shock, that chilling moment, the shock, that chilling moment, the icy chilling moment when you realise what has happened. i was hit with such — you realise what has happened. i was hit with such immense _ you realise what has happened. i —" hit with such immense anger at first, i started throwing things about and i thought i cannot touch anything, i need to call the police but i was so angry. haifa anything, i need to call the police but i was so angry.— anything, i need to call the police but i was so angry. how dare they?! in my space. — but i was so angry. how dare they?! in my space. when _ but i was so angry. how dare they?! in my space, when i— but i was so angry. how dare they?! in my space, when i was _ but i was so angry. how dare they?! in my space, when i was asleep i but i was so angry. how dare they?! in my space, when i was asleep in l in my space, when i was asleep in the realisation kicked in and turns really insidious and dark and you kind of replay everything in your head. it's a really difficult thing to come to terms with. it is really iowerful to come to terms with. it is really powerful hearing _ to come to terms with. it is really powerful hearing that _ to come to terms with. it is really powerful hearing that your - powerful hearing that your experience still manifests in your dreams in weird ways.— experience still manifests in your dreams in weird ways. yeah. but to be fair to the _ dreams in weird ways. yeah. but to be fair to the police, _ dreams in weird ways. yeah. but to

be fair to the police, they _ dreams in weird ways. yeah. but to be fair to the police, they were i be fair to the police, they were very quick to come but i think when they realised there was no physical harm that happened, i think that is when they thought, you know, we will leave it alone. when they thought, you know, we will leave it alone-— leave it alone. they do their best but they kind _ leave it alone. they do their best but they kind of _ leave it alone. they do their best but they kind of have _ leave it alone. they do their best but they kind of have to - leave it alone. they do their best but they kind of have to triage i leave it alone. they do their besti but they kind of have to triage it, amongst other stuff that is going on. let me see, mill hill, hannah elizabeth, it stays with you, doesn't it?— elizabeth, it stays with you, doesn't it? elizabeth, it stays with you, doesn'tit? h , , ., , doesn't it? it's very fresh for us. we came — doesn't it? it's very fresh for us. we came home _ doesn't it? it's very fresh for us. we came home saturday - doesn't it? it's very fresh for us. we came home saturdayjust - doesn't it? it's very fresh for us. l we came home saturdayjust gone after being away for a week. the house _ after being away for a week. the house was — after being away for a week. the house was trashed. they take anything _ house was trashed. they take anything of any value that they could _ anything of any value that they could in— anything of any value that they could in a _ anything of any value that they could in a bag, a bag belonging to my son _ could in a bag, a bag belonging to my son we — could in a bag, a bag belonging to my son. we have got nothing left. it is still_ my son. we have got nothing left. it is still very— my son. we have got nothing left. it is still very raw. my children are very— is still very raw. my children are very upset, _ is still very raw. my children are very upset, i've had to take my eldest — very upset, i've had to take my eldest daughter to my mother is because — eldest daughter to my mother is because she does not want to stay at home _ because she does not want to stay at home and _ because she does not want to stay at home and they have taken items of my

children. _ home and they have taken items of my children, things like my daughters gcse camera. my son is nintendo switch _ gcse camera. my son is nintendo switch stuff, hard for us to replace, _ switch stuff, hard for us to replace, we are hard—working and we do not _ replace, we are hard—working and we do not have _ replace, we are hard—working and we do not have a — replace, we are hard—working and we do not have a lot, it is really upsetting. _ do not have a lot, it is really upsetting, really.— do not have a lot, it is really upsetting, really. tell me more about the reaction _ upsetting, really. tell me more about the reaction from - upsetting, really. tell me more about the reaction from the - upsetting, really. tell me more. about the reaction from the kids. upsetting, really. tell me more - about the reaction from the kids. we had come back from being away. for them _ had come back from being away. for them to— had come back from being away. for them to walk into the house for it to them to walk into the house for it tqust _ them to walk into the house for it tqust he — them to walk into the house for it to just be absolutely ransacked, i have _ to just be absolutely ransacked, i have three — to just be absolutely ransacked, i have three children, aged three, 11 and 15, _ have three children, aged three, 11 and 15, the — have three children, aged three, 11 and 15, the three—year—old cannot and15, the three—year—old cannot really— and 15, the three—year—old cannot really understand what happened. but they went _ really understand what happened. but they went through my daughter's private _ they went through my daughter's private stuff in her room, they thrashed — private stuff in her room, they thrashed her room, they stole the piggy— thrashed her room, they stole the piggy bank money from my son, they are terrified, absolutely. what can i do? _ are terrified, absolutely. what can i do? my— are terrified, absolutely. what can i do? my daughter saved up her

baby—sitting money. they take it. little _ baby—sitting money. they take it. little things like that. ijust cannot— little things like that. ijust cannot comprehend stealing from a child _ cannot comprehend stealing from a child that— cannot comprehend stealing from a child. that to me is the worst. i've had to— child. that to me is the worst. i've had to take — child. that to me is the worst. i've had to take my daughter to stay with my mum because the first night we had to— my mum because the first night we had to sleep ear she left the door wide _ had to sleep ear she left the door wide open, — had to sleep ear she left the door wide open, the lights on, she could not sleep. — wide open, the lights on, she could not sleep, she was scared they were going _ not sleep, she was scared they were going to _ not sleep, she was scared they were going to come back.— going to come back. there is no way the olice going to come back. there is no way the police would _ going to come back. there is no way the police would say _ going to come back. there is no way the police would say we _ going to come back. there is no way the police would say we will - going to come back. there is no way the police would say we will get - the police would say we will get them, don't worry. that ain't going to happen, is it, because of the nature of the crime?— to happen, is it, because of the nature of the crime? they told us we had to no nature of the crime? they told us we had to go and — nature of the crime? they told us we had to go and look— nature of the crime? they told us we had to go and look at _ nature of the crime? they told us we had to go and look at the _ nature of the crime? they told us we had to go and look at the cctv - nature of the crime? they told us we had to go and look at the cctv from | had to go and look at the cctv from around _ had to go and look at the cctv from around the — had to go and look at the cctv from around the corner ourselves, and they— around the corner ourselves, and they gave — around the corner ourselves, and they gave us an e—mail address and that was— they gave us an e—mail address and that was it — they gave us an e—mail address and that was it. we haven't even seen any extra — that was it. we haven't even seen any extra patrols. have not seen them — any extra patrols. have not seen them up _ any extra patrols. have not seen them up and down the street, where i live is— them up and down the street, where i live is notorious at the moment for crime _ live is notorious at the moment for crime and — live is notorious at the moment for

crime and burglary and there is no notice _ crime and burglary and there is no notice to— crime and burglary and there is no police to he — crime and burglary and there is no police to be seen anywhere. nowhere. it is devastating. family items passed — it is devastating. family items passed down from grandparents, rockets, — passed down from grandparents, rockets, compact mirrors, not even real gold _ rockets, compact mirrors, not even real gold but — rockets, compact mirrors, not even real gold but things that were handed — real gold but things that were handed down through the generations and they— handed down through the generations and they had gone. probably end up in the _ and they had gone. probably end up in the bin_ and they had gone. probably end up in the bin somewhere because they cannot— in the bin somewhere because they cannot get— in the bin somewhere because they cannot get any money from them, that is one _ cannot get any money from them, that is one of— cannot get any money from them, that is one of the _ cannot get any money from them, that is one of the worst thing is, the stuff— is one of the worst thing is, the stuff from — is one of the worst thing is, the stuff from the grandparents, taken and discarded somewhere. it is very devastating. so and discarded somewhere. it is very devastating-— devastating. so upsetting to hear and i know _ devastating. so upsetting to hear and i know lots _ devastating. so upsetting to hear and i know lots and _ devastating. so upsetting to hear and i know lots and lots - devastating. so upsetting to hear and i know lots and lots of - devastating. so upsetting to hear| and i know lots and lots of people will know exactly what you are talking about. exactly what you are talking about. exactly what you are talking about. exactly what you are talking about. that word that you used earlier, i had a picture in my mind, ransacked. it is a great word. let's speak to a police officer,

former police officer with the metropolitan police, shabnam chaudhri. we have a number of callers. there is a number of pressures that the police are under but i am asking the question, the police, they get it, they know what this does to people and how it affects people? this does to people and how it affects purple?— this does to people and how it affects people? good morning, i think they do — affects people? good morning, i think they do get _ affects people? good morning, i think they do get it, _ affects people? good morning, i think they do get it, it _ affects people? good morning, i think they do get it, it is - affects people? good morning, i think they do get it, it is one - affects people? good morning, i think they do get it, it is one of. think they do get it, it is one of the most — think they do get it, it is one of the most traumatic _ think they do get it, it is one of the most traumatic crimes - think they do get it, it is one of the most traumatic crimes to l think they do get it, it is one of- the most traumatic crimes to affect victims _ the most traumatic crimes to affect victims and — the most traumatic crimes to affect victims and i— the most traumatic crimes to affect victims and i would _ the most traumatic crimes to affect victims and i would add _ the most traumatic crimes to affect victims and i would add to - the most traumatic crimes to affect victims and i would add to that - victims and i would add to that comment— victims and i would add to that comment made _ victims and i would add to that comment made about - victims and i would add to that comment made about the - victims and i would add to thatl comment made about the place victims and i would add to that - comment made about the place being ransacked _ comment made about the place being ransacked it— comment made about the place being ransacked it is— comment made about the place being ransacked, it is a _ comment made about the place being ransacked, it is a violation, _ comment made about the place being ransacked, it is a violation, people i ransacked, it is a violation, people that go— ransacked, it is a violation, people that go through _ ransacked, it is a violation, people that go through cupboards - ransacked, it is a violation, people that go through cupboards and - that go through cupboards and drawers. — that go through cupboards and drawers, private _ that go through cupboards and drawers, private stuff, - that go through cupboards and drawers, private stuff, it- that go through cupboards and drawers, private stuff, it is- drawers, private stuff, it is horrific _ drawers, private stuff, it is horrific i_ drawers, private stuff, it is horrific. i was _ drawers, private stuff, it is horrific. i was a _ drawers, private stuff, it is horrific. i was a victim - drawers, private stuff, it is horrific. i was a victim of. drawers, private stuff, it is- horrific. i was a victim of burglary when _ horrific. i was a victim of burglary when i _ horrific. i was a victim of burglary when iioined _ horrific. i was a victim of burglary when ijoined the _ horrific. i was a victim of burglary when ijoined the police - horrific. i was a victim of burglary when ijoined the police and - horrific. i was a victim of burglary when ijoined the police and it-

when ijoined the police and it changed — when ijoined the police and it changed my— when ijoined the police and it changed my outlook, - when ijoined the police and it- changed my outlook, traumatised me and i was _ changed my outlook, traumatised me and i was a _ changed my outlook, traumatised me and i was a serving _ changed my outlook, traumatised me and i was a serving officer. _ changed my outlook, traumatised me and i was a serving officer. it - changed my outlook, traumatised me and i was a serving officer. it hit - and i was a serving officer. it hit me weeks— and i was a serving officer. it hit me weeks and _ and i was a serving officer. it hit me weeks and months - and i was a serving officer. it hit me weeks and months to - and i was a serving officer. it hit me weeks and months to get. and i was a serving officer. it hit me weeks and months to get to| and i was a serving officer. it hit - me weeks and months to get to sleep and i didn't— me weeks and months to get to sleep and i didn't leave _ me weeks and months to get to sleep and i didn't leave my— me weeks and months to get to sleep and i didn't leave my home _ me weeks and months to get to sleep and i didn't leave my home because l me weeks and months to get to sleep and i didn't leave my home because i| and i didn't leave my home because i thought— and i didn't leave my home because i thought it— and i didn't leave my home because i thought if i— and i didn't leave my home because i thought if i do— and i didn't leave my home because i thought if i do i— and i didn't leave my home because i thought if i do i will— and i didn't leave my home because i thought if i do i will never— and i didn't leave my home because i thought if i do i will never go- and i didn't leave my home because i thought if i do i will never go back. thought if i do i will never go back so i do _ thought if i do i will never go back so i do get — thought if i do i will never go back so i do get it~ _ thought if i do i will never go back so i do get it it _ thought if i do i will never go back so i do get it. it is _ thought if i do i will never go back so i do get it. it is hard _ thought if i do i will never go back so i do get it. it is hard and - thought if i do i will never go back so i do get it. it is hard and sad i so i do get it. it is hard and sad to hear— so i do get it. it is hard and sad to hear victims— so i do get it. it is hard and sad to hear victims talk— so i do get it. it is hard and sad to hear victims talk about - so i do get it. it is hard and sad to hear victims talk about this i so i do get it. it is hard and sad i to hear victims talk about this and the impact — to hear victims talk about this and the impact it— to hear victims talk about this and the impact it has— to hear victims talk about this and the impact it has on— to hear victims talk about this and the impact it has on them - to hear victims talk about this and the impact it has on them years . the impact it has on them years later— the impact it has on them years later down— the impact it has on them years later down the _ the impact it has on them years later down the line. _ the impact it has on them years later down the line. what - the impact it has on them years later down the line. what is- the impact it has on them years . later down the line. what is really interesting — later down the line. what is really interesting at _ later down the line. what is really interesting at the _ later down the line. what is really interesting at the moment - later down the line. what is really interesting at the moment the - interesting at the moment the metropolitan _ interesting at the moment the metropolitan police, - interesting at the moment the metropolitan police, when - interesting at the moment the metropolitan police, when the interesting at the moment the - metropolitan police, when the new commissioner— metropolitan police, when the new commissioner was _ metropolitan police, when the new commissioner was appointed, - metropolitan police, when the new commissioner was appointed, thel commissioner was appointed, the first commissioner was appointed, the first thing — commissioner was appointed, the first thing he _ commissioner was appointed, the first thing he said _ commissioner was appointed, the first thing he said was _ commissioner was appointed, the first thing he said was all- commissioner was appointed, the first thing he said was all officersl first thing he said was all officers would _ first thing he said was all officers would attend _ first thing he said was all officers would attend every— first thing he said was all officers would attend every burglary- first thing he said was all officers would attend every burglary and| first thing he said was all officers| would attend every burglary and i first thing he said was all officers - would attend every burglary and i am aware _ would attend every burglary and i am aware this— would attend every burglary and i am aware this year— would attend every burglary and i am aware this year something _ would attend every burglary and i am aware this year something like - would attend every burglary and i am aware this year something like over. aware this year something like over 12,600 _ aware this year something like over 12,600 burglaries— aware this year something like over 12,600 burglaries were _ aware this year something like over 12,600 burglaries were unattendedj 12,600 burglaries were unattended and suspects — 12,600 burglaries were unattended and suspects were _ 12,600 burglaries were unattended and suspects were not _ 12,600 burglaries were unattended and suspects were not identified i and suspects were not identified between — and suspects were not identified between october— and suspects were not identified between october and _ and suspects were not identified between october and novemberj and suspects were not identified - between october and november last year for— between october and november last year for e>

they stopped attending burglaries in 2015, they need _ they stopped attending burglaries in 2015, they need to _ they stopped attending burglaries in 2015, they need to understand - they stopped attending burglaries in 2015, they need to understand this. 2015, they need to understand this is 2015, they need to understand this is one _ 2015, they need to understand this is one of— 2015, they need to understand this is one of the — 2015, they need to understand this is one of the most— 2015, they need to understand this is one of the most traumatic- 2015, they need to understand thisi is one of the most traumatic crimes affecting _ is one of the most traumatic crimes affecting members _ is one of the most traumatic crimes affecting members of _ is one of the most traumatic crimes affecting members of the _ is one of the most traumatic crimes affecting members of the public - is one of the most traumatic crimes| affecting members of the public and day-to-day. — affecting members of the public and day-to-day. people _ affecting members of the public and day—to—day, people want _ affecting members of the public and day—to—day, people want to - affecting members of the public and day—to—day, people want to live - affecting members of the public and day—to—day, people want to live in i day—to—day, people want to live in the safety — day—to—day, people want to live in the safety of — day—to—day, people want to live in the safety of their— day—to—day, people want to live in the safety of their own _ day—to—day, people want to live in the safety of their own homes. - day-to-day, people want to live in the safety of their own homes. there was a new story _ the safety of their own homes. there was a new story the _ the safety of their own homes. there was a new story the other _ the safety of their own homes. there was a new story the other day, - was a new story the other day, yesterday, i think, was a new story the other day, yesterday, ithink, police was a new story the other day, yesterday, i think, police stopping attending incidents where the main issueis attending incidents where the main issue is mental health because of resources, they are overstretched. they will not ramp up their attention to burglary, are they? actually, i think that is something that is— actually, i think that is something that is going — actually, i think that is something that is going to— actually, i think that is something that is going to take _ actually, i think that is something that is going to take time - actually, i think that is something that is going to take time but - actually, i think that is something | that is going to take time but what will happen— that is going to take time but what will happen is— that is going to take time but what will happen is when _ that is going to take time but what will happen is when they _ that is going to take time but what will happen is when they reduce i that is going to take time but whatl will happen is when they reduce the number— will happen is when they reduce the number of— will happen is when they reduce the number of mental— will happen is when they reduce the number of mental health _ will happen is when they reduce the number of mental health situation i number of mental health situation they attend. — number of mental health situation they attend, they— number of mental health situation they attend, they will _ number of mental health situation they attend, they will not - number of mental health situation they attend, they will not stop - they attend, they will not stop attending _ they attend, they will not stop attending all _ they attend, they will not stop attending all of _ they attend, they will not stop attending all of them - they attend, they will not stop attending all of them but - they attend, they will not stop attending all of them but it - they attend, they will not stopl attending all of them but it will allow _ attending all of them but it will allow them _ attending all of them but it will allow them to _ attending all of them but it will allow them to focus _ attending all of them but it will allow them to focus better - attending all of them but it will allow them to focus better on i attending all of them but it will. allow them to focus better on local crimes— allow them to focus better on local crimes such — allow them to focus better on local crimes such as _ allow them to focus better on local crimes such as burglaries - allow them to focus better on local crimes such as burglaries and - crimes such as burglaries and anti-social— crimes such as burglaries and anti—social behaviour, - crimes such as burglaries and| anti—social behaviour, criminal damage — anti—social behaviour, criminal damage so— anti—social behaviour, criminal damage so hopefully- anti—social behaviour, criminal damage so hopefully there - anti—social behaviour, criminal. damage so hopefully there should anti—social behaviour, criminal- damage so hopefully there should be an increase _ damage so hopefully there should be an increase in — damage so hopefully there should be an increase in high _ damage so hopefully there should be an increase in high visibility- an increase in high visibility patrols, _ an increase in high visibility patrols, more _ an increase in high visibility patrols, more officers- an increase in high visibility patrols, more officers on. an increase in high visibility. patrols, more officers on the an increase in high visibility- patrols, more officers on the front line as _ patrols, more officers on the front line as opposed _ patrols, more officers on the front line as opposed to _ patrols, more officers on the front line as opposed to being _

patrols, more officers on the front line as opposed to being sat - patrols, more officers on the front line as opposed to being sat in - patrols, more officers on the front line as opposed to being sat in a l line as opposed to being sat in a hospital— line as opposed to being sat in a hospital looking _ line as opposed to being sat in a hospital looking after— line as opposed to being sat in a hospital looking after patients i line as opposed to being sat in a hospital looking after patients in line as opposed to being sat in a i hospital looking after patients in a mental— hospital looking after patients in a mental health— hospital looking after patients in a mental health crisis _ hospital looking after patients in a mental health crisis so _ hospital looking after patients in a mental health crisis so this - hospital looking after patients in a mental health crisis so this should have a _ mental health crisis so this should have a tfetter— mental health crisis so this should have a better impact _ mental health crisis so this should have a better impact on _ mental health crisis so this should have a better impact on the - mental health crisis so this should have a better impact on the way . mental health crisis so this should i have a better impact on the way they deliver— have a better impact on the way they deliver a _ have a better impact on the way they deliver a better— have a better impact on the way they deliver a better service _ have a better impact on the way they deliver a better service to _ have a better impact on the way they deliver a better service to the - deliver a better service to the public — deliver a better service to the ublic. . . deliver a better service to the ublic. ., ., ., , , , public. hannah elizabeth, yet used the word angry- — public. hannah elizabeth, yet used the word angry. forgive _ public. hannah elizabeth, yet used the word angry. forgive me, - public. hannah elizabeth, yet used the word angry. forgive me, i- public. hannah elizabeth, yet used| the word angry. forgive me, i have told the story before, he the word angry. forgive me, i have told the story before, be some people watching, i have told that on the radio, it was in the papers because i blurted it out but there was a guy in our back garden trying to steal a bike and my dog was barking downstairs, a different type of park and my wife said i have not heard him barking like that and i was stark naked, i saw the guy in the garden and i chased him stark naked, terrifying experience for him as well, thankfully. this is the thing. there was a chair, a bit of garden furniture and i was going to grab it and it was the only time in my life, and| grab it and it was the only time in my life, and i am slightly ashamed, a part of me kind of thanks, it was

my instinct, i wanted to cause him serious harm. that is kind of a terrible thing to say. but itjust shows you... it terrible thing to say. but it 'ust shows you. . .i terrible thing to say. but it 'ust shows you... terrible thing to say. but it 'ust shows ou... , ., ., shows you... it is awful, we have a little dog ourselves, _ shows you... it is awful, we have a little dog ourselves, she _ shows you... it is awful, we have a little dog ourselves, she barks, - shows you... it is awful, we have a| little dog ourselves, she barks, our house _ little dog ourselves, she barks, our house looks — little dog ourselves, she barks, our house looks onto an alley that goes down _ house looks onto an alley that goes down the _ house looks onto an alley that goes down the back of shops and we get a lot of— down the back of shops and we get a lot of dodgy people walking up and down _ lot of dodgy people walking up and down. they commit crimes on the high street— down. they commit crimes on the high street and _ down. they commit crimes on the high street and they use the alley as a getaway— street and they use the alley as a getaway and you hear the dog all the time getaway and you hear the dog all the time at _ getaway and you hear the dog all the time at the _ getaway and you hear the dog all the time at the back of the fence. it is a hreat time at the back of the fence. it is a great deterrent. _ time at the back of the fence. it is a great deterrent. i _ time at the back of the fence. it 3 a great deterrent. i had lost all sense of reason. i wanted to hit him over the head with the garden furniture. , . furniture. every time we hear an hinh furniture. every time we hear anything now _ furniture. every time we hear anything now we _ furniture. every time we hear anything now we are - furniture. every time we hear anything now we are looking | furniture. every time we hear. anything now we are looking out furniture. every time we hear- anything now we are looking out of the window. it is awful. terrible, it the window. it is awful. terrible, it makes — the window. it is awful. terrible, it makes you so angry to think that possessions you have held onto for so long _ possessions you have held onto for so long ago — possessions you have held onto for so long ago on in the blink of an

eye _ so long ago on in the blink of an eye i— so long ago on in the blink of an eye i feel— so long ago on in the blink of an eye. i feel so cross. there is nothing _ eye. i feel so cross. there is nothing i— eye. i feel so cross. there is nothing i can do, driving round the streets. _ nothing i can do, driving round the streets, looking for these items that may— streets, looking for these items that may have been discarded. we have worked so hard for, so hard and someone _ have worked so hard for, so hard and someone has — have worked so hard for, so hard and someone has come and taken them in the blink— someone has come and taken them in the blink of— someone has come and taken them in the blink of an eye and thrashed the house _ the blink of an eye and thrashed the house it _ the blink of an eye and thrashed the house. it has taken us days to clear up house. it has taken us days to clear up and _ house. it has taken us days to clear up and i— house. it has taken us days to clear upand i am— house. it has taken us days to clear up and i am so cross, i know it will have _ up and i am so cross, i know it will have a _ up and i am so cross, i know it will have a lasting effect on my chiidrerh _ have a lasting effect on my children. they have had a tough time with children. they have had a tough time with covid _ children. they have had a tough time with covid, schools being closed and now this? _ with covid, schools being closed and now this? we with covid, schools being closed and now this? ~ , , .,~ with covid, schools being closed and now this? ~ , , ., ,, ., ~ . ., now this? we will speak to michael who is an ex _ now this? we will speak to michael who is an ex offender _ now this? we will speak to michael who is an ex offender and - now this? we will speak to michael who is an ex offender and now- now this? we will speak to michael who is an ex offender and now a i who is an ex offender and now a security expert, good to have you on the programme, i will come to you in just a moment but let's hearfrom adam. it's happened to get loads, hasn't it? it’s adam. it's happened to get loads, hasn't it? �* , , ., ., hasn't it? it's interesting to hear that last caller, _ hasn't it? it's interesting to hear that last caller, the _ hasn't it? it's interesting to hear that last caller, the impact i hasn't it? it's interesting to hear that last caller, the impact on i that last caller, the impact on children. when i was a teenager the house got robbed three times in six weeks. the first couple of times it

was bits and pieces, the third time they came back and took everything. coffee and teaspoons, cups, the lot, my goldfish, ifound coffee and teaspoons, cups, the lot, my goldfish, i found the goldfish behind the working man's club near my house. back in the early 905. i still have the effects of that now, i go around and i check all of the dos two or three times before i go to bed, i get marked a little bit for it but until you have been through it, you do not know the effect. ifind now even through it, you do not know the effect. i find now even with cctv and the doorbell effect. i find now even with cctv and the door bell footage, they are sharing that on social media and thatis sharing that on social media and that is ramping things up. it has not happened to me since the 905 but we are still carrying that now. we heard that from a caller earlier on, do you get that, the fury, you lose a sense of control if you see

someone at it in your house? yeah, it's 'ust someone at it in your house? yeah, it'siust the — someone at it in your house? yeah, it's just the cheek _ someone at it in your house? yeah, it's just the cheek of _ someone at it in your house? yeah, it's just the cheek of it. _ someone at it in your house? yeah, it's just the cheek of it. how - someone at it in your house? yeah, it'sjust the cheek of it. how can i it's just the cheek of it. how can you think you can come and do that and get into someone else's space like that, it is wrong.— like that, it is wrong. marilyn in derb , like that, it is wrong. marilyn in derby. you _ like that, it is wrong. marilyn in derby. you have _ like that, it is wrong. marilyn in derby, you have had _ like that, it is wrong. marilyn in derby, you have had a - like that, it is wrong. marilyn in derby, you have had a couple i like that, it is wrong. marilyn in| derby, you have had a couple of break—ins? derby, you have had a couple of break-ins?— derby, you have had a couple of break-ins? this is what i want to endorse. leaving _ break-ins? this is what i want to endorse. leaving your _ break-ins? this is what i want to endorse. leaving your windows l break-ins? this is what i want to i endorse. leaving your windows open, nipping _ endorse. leaving your windows open, nipping around the corner, i left a kitchen _ nipping around the corner, i left a kitchen window that you push out, he -ot kitchen window that you push out, he got in _ kitchen window that you push out, he got in through the window. the awful thln- got in through the window. the awful thing for— got in through the window. the awful thing for me was obviously he broke into thing for me was obviously he broke into three _ thing for me was obviously he broke into three houses in the area and he said into three houses in the area and he said to _ into three houses in the area and he said to the _ into three houses in the area and he said to the policeman he wouldn't have _ said to the policeman he wouldn't have done — said to the policeman he wouldn't have done it because he was one of the pupils— have done it because he was one of the pupils at the school i worked at and he _ the pupils at the school i worked at and he wouldn't have done it if he knew _ and he wouldn't have done it if he knew it _ and he wouldn't have done it if he

knew it was — and he wouldn't have done it if he knew it was me and i had photographs on the _ knew it was me and i had photographs on the fireplace but he shouldn't have _ on the fireplace but he shouldn't have done — on the fireplace but he shouldn't have done it. that was his excuse. a very small— have done it. that was his excuse. a very small window around the site, it very small window around the site, it was— very small window around the site, it was open — very small window around the site, it was open. ego the dustbin, she stood _ it was open. ego the dustbin, she stood on — it was open. ego the dustbin, she stood on that and slid in and took money _ stood on that and slid in and took money it— stood on that and slid in and took money it is— stood on that and slid in and took money. it is awful because i knew their— money. it is awful because i knew their mothers as well, but no, they were _ their mothers as well, but no, they were distressed enough about what their child _ were distressed enough about what their child had done. it is a horrible _ their child had done. it is a horrible feeling. i get into trouble now with — horrible feeling. i get into trouble now with my family because i had a lock on— now with my family because i had a lock on my— now with my family because i had a lock on my bedroom door and i locked myself— lock on my bedroom door and i locked myself in _ lock on my bedroom door and i locked myself in the bedroom and i have had a couple _ myself in the bedroom and i have had a couple of— myself in the bedroom and i have had a couple of accidents and no one has been _ a couple of accidents and no one has been able _ a couple of accidents and no one has been able to— a couple of accidents and no one has been able to get to me and it's horrible, — been able to get to me and it's horrible, i've seen this young lad, i was _ horrible, i've seen this young lad, i was driving — horrible, i've seen this young lad, i was driving in the car with my husband — i was driving in the car with my husband and i said there the lad who my husband stopped car and i said

what _ my husband stopped car and i said what are _ my husband stopped car and i said what are you going to do, and he said what are you going to do, and he said i— what are you going to do, and he said i am— what are you going to do, and he said i am going to have a word with him said i am going to have a word with him but _ said i am going to have a word with him but he — said i am going to have a word with him but he thought he wouldn't have done it— him but he thought he wouldn't have done it if— him but he thought he wouldn't have done it if he — him but he thought he wouldn't have done it if he had known it was me but he _ done it if he had known it was me but he should not have done it at all. but he should not have done it at alt |t— but he should not have done it at all. , , ., but he should not have done it at all. , i. ., ., ., but he should not have done it at all. , ., ., ., all. it gives you paranoia as well. precisely- _ all. it gives you paranoia as well. precisely. you _ all. it gives you paranoia as well. precisely. you hear _ all. it gives you paranoia as well. precisely. you hear a _ all. it gives you paranoia as well. precisely. you hear a sound. i all. it gives you paranoia as well. precisely. you hear a sound. a i precisely. you hear a sound. a couple — precisely. you hear a sound. a couple of — precisely. you hear a sound. a couple of years ago i forgot to lock the back— couple of years ago i forgot to lock the back gate, i heard a noise in the back gate, i heard a noise in the garden — the back gate, i heard a noise in the garden and looked at and there was a _ the garden and looked at and there was a tad _ the garden and looked at and there was a lad trying to get my bike and i shouted _ was a lad trying to get my bike and i shouted at him and he leapt over the fence — i shouted at him and he leapt over the fence. got out onto the side road _ the fence. got out onto the side road you — the fence. got out onto the side road. you do not wonder about but it is road. you do not wonder about but it is the _ road. you do not wonder about but it is the thought that someone has been in is the thought that someone has been in your— is the thought that someone has been in your home. that is the thought that someone has been in your home-— in your home. that is exactly what ha-hened in your home. that is exactly what happened to _ in your home. that is exactly what happened to me. _ in your home. that is exactly what happened to me, he _ in your home. that is exactly what happened to me, he dropped i in your home. that is exactly what happened to me, he dropped the. in your home. that is exactly what i happened to me, he dropped the bike and he thought i will leg it, we did something about the fence after that. michael, how are you doing? good morning.

that. michael, how are you doing? good morning-— good morning. something said by maril n good morning. something said by marilyn resonated _ good morning. something said by marilyn resonated with _ good morning. something said by marilyn resonated with me, i good morning. something said by marilyn resonated with me, close| good morning. something said by i marilyn resonated with me, close all of your windows. we have no doubt some scorching weather coming up in the next few weeks. we have not got air—conditioning and there will be some windows left open. what are the top tips as an x offender, might i say but now a security expert, you have come to the good side! the thin is, have come to the good side! the thing is. i _ have come to the good side! the thing is, i have _ have come to the good side! the thing is, i have been listening into four people — thing is, i have been listening into four people have _ thing is, i have been listening into four people have been— thing is, i have been listening into four people have been saying i thing is, i have been listening into four people have been saying and | four people have been saying and what _ four people have been saying and what they— four people have been saying and what they have _ four people have been saying and what they have got _ four people have been saying and what they have got to _ four people have been saying and what they have got to realise i four people have been saying and what they have got to realise yes| what they have got to realise yes burglary — what they have got to realise yes burglary is — what they have got to realise yes burglary is such _ what they have got to realise yes burglary is such an _ what they have got to realise yes burglary is such an easy- what they have got to realise yes burglary is such an easy crime i what they have got to realise yes burglary is such an easy crime to| burglary is such an easy crime to commit — burglary is such an easy crime to commit and _ burglary is such an easy crime to commit and this _ burglary is such an easy crime to commit and this is _ burglary is such an easy crime to commit and this is why - burglary is such an easy crime to commit and this is why they- burglary is such an easy crime to commit and this is why they willl commit and this is why they will commit — commit and this is why they will commit it— commit and this is why they will commit it because _ commit and this is why they will commit it because as— commit and this is why they will commit it because as the - commit and this is why they will commit it because as the publicj commit it because as the public goal. _ commit it because as the public goal. what _ commit it because as the public goal. what we _ commit it because as the public goal, what we tend _ commit it because as the public goal, what we tend to - commit it because as the public goal, what we tend to do - commit it because as the public goal, what we tend to do is i commit it because as the public. goal, what we tend to do is leave doors _ goal, what we tend to do is leave doors open _ goal, what we tend to do is leave doors open. calendars _ goal, what we tend to do is leave doors open. calendars in- goal, what we tend to do is leave doors open. calendars in the i goal, what we tend to do is leave i doors open. calendars in the kitchen window— doors open. calendars in the kitchen window with— doors open. calendars in the kitchen window with dates _ doors open. calendars in the kitchen window with dates that _ doors open. calendars in the kitchen window with dates that we _ doors open. calendars in the kitchen window with dates that we are - doors open. calendars in the kitchen window with dates that we are out. i window with dates that we are out. one lock _ window with dates that we are out. one lock on — window with dates that we are out. one lock on the _ window with dates that we are out.

one lock on the front _ window with dates that we are out. one lock on the front door. - window with dates that we are out. one lock on the front door. we i window with dates that we are out. i one lock on the front door. we open curtains _ one lock on the front door. we open curtains or— one lock on the front door. we open curtains or blinds _ one lock on the front door. we open curtains or blinds so _ one lock on the front door. we open curtains or blinds so you _ one lock on the front door. we open curtains or blinds so you can - one lock on the front door. we open curtains or blinds so you can see i curtains or blinds so you can see into curtains or blinds so you can see into the — curtains or blinds so you can see into the property. _ curtains or blinds so you can see into the property. and _ curtains or blinds so you can see into the property. and these i curtains or blinds so you can see into the property. and these arej curtains or blinds so you can see i into the property. and these are the tell-tale _ into the property. and these are the tell-tale signs — into the property. and these are the tell—tale signs of _ into the property. and these are the tell—tale signs of no _ into the property. and these are the tell—tale signs of no security. - into the property. and these are the tell—tale signs of no security. you i tell—tale signs of no security. you should _ tell—tale signs of no security. you should have — tell—tale signs of no security. you should have two _ tell—tale signs of no security. you should have two locks _ tell—tale signs of no security. you should have two locks on - tell—tale signs of no security. you should have two locks on the i tell—tale signs of no security. you | should have two locks on the front door, _ should have two locks on the front door, one — should have two locks on the front door, one of — should have two locks on the front door, one of them _ should have two locks on the front door, one of them is _ should have two locks on the front door, one of them is a _ should have two locks on the front door, one of them is a deadlock. i should have two locks on the front| door, one of them is a deadlock. a cage _ door, one of them is a deadlock. a cage on _ door, one of them is a deadlock. a cage on the — door, one of them is a deadlock. a cage on the inside _ door, one of them is a deadlock. a cage on the inside of— door, one of them is a deadlock. a cage on the inside of the _ door, one of them is a deadlock. a cage on the inside of the letterboxj cage on the inside of the letterbox to stop _ cage on the inside of the letterbox to stop letterbox _ cage on the inside of the letterbox to stop letterbox fishing, - cage on the inside of the letterbox to stop letterbox fishing, they i cage on the inside of the letterbox to stop letterbox fishing, they put| to stop letterbox fishing, they put a paw _ to stop letterbox fishing, they put a paw through— to stop letterbox fishing, they put a paw through and _ to stop letterbox fishing, they put a paw through and they _ to stop letterbox fishing, they put a paw through and they will - to stop letterbox fishing, they put a paw through and they will pick l to stop letterbox fishing, they put l a paw through and they will pick the handbag _ a paw through and they will pick the handbag from — a paw through and they will pick the handbag from the _ a paw through and they will pick the handbag from the stairs, _ a paw through and they will pick the handbag from the stairs, keys - a paw through and they will pick the handbag from the stairs, keys froml handbag from the stairs, keys from the side _ handbag from the stairs, keys from the side. obscure _ handbag from the stairs, keys from the side. obscure at _ handbag from the stairs, keys from the side. obscure at the _ handbag from the stairs, keys from the side. obscure at the back- handbag from the stairs, keys from the side. obscure at the back of- handbag from the stairs, keys from| the side. obscure at the back of the house _ the side. obscure at the back of the house as _ the side. obscure at the back of the house as much _ the side. obscure at the back of the house as much as _ the side. obscure at the back of the house as much as possible - the side. obscure at the back of the house as much as possible so - the side. obscure at the back of the house as much as possible so you . the side. obscure at the back of the i house as much as possible so you are obscuring _ house as much as possible so you are obscuring and — house as much as possible so you are obscuring and stopping _ house as much as possible so you are obscuring and stopping people - house as much as possible so you are obscuring and stopping people beingl obscuring and stopping people being able to— obscuring and stopping people being able to see _ obscuring and stopping people being able to see in— obscuring and stopping people being able to see in stop— obscuring and stopping people being able to see in stop do— obscuring and stopping people being able to see in stop do not— obscuring and stopping people being able to see in stop do not leave i able to see in stop do not leave keys _ able to see in stop do not leave keys on— able to see in stop do not leave keys on the _ able to see in stop do not leave keys on the door. _ able to see in stop do not leave keys on the door. don't - able to see in stop do not leave keys on the door. don't shut i able to see in stop do not leave i keys on the door. don't shut the windows. — keys on the door. don't shut the windows. it _ keys on the door. don't shut the windows, it was _ keys on the door. don't shut the windows, it was during - keys on the door. don't shut the windows, it was during what i keys on the door. don't shut the windows, it was during what the| keys on the door. don't shut the i windows, it was during what the lady said earlier, — windows, it was during what the lady said earlier, she _ windows, it was during what the lady said earlier, she popped _ windows, it was during what the lady said earlier, she popped around - windows, it was during what the lady said earlier, she popped around thei said earlier, she popped around the corner_ said earlier, she popped around the corner but_ said earlier, she popped around the corner but a — said earlier, she popped around the corner but a burglary— said earlier, she popped around the corner but a burglary is _ said earlier, she popped around the corner but a burglary is committedl corner but a burglary is committed in less_ corner but a burglary is committed in less than— corner but a burglary is committed in less than two _ corner but a burglary is committed in less than two minutes _ corner but a burglary is committed in less than two minutes and - corner but a burglary is committed in less than two minutes and they| in less than two minutes and they tip the _ in less than two minutes and they tip the place _ in less than two minutes and they tip the place up. _ in less than two minutes and they tip the place up, they— in less than two minutes and they tip the place up, they get - in less than two minutes and they tip the place up, they get what i in less than two minutes and they. tip the place up, they get what they

want and _ tip the place up, they get what they want and they— tip the place up, they get what they want and they are _ tip the place up, they get what they want and they are back— tip the place up, they get what they want and they are back out. - tip the place up, they get what they want and they are back out. what . tip the place up, they get what they want and they are back out.- want and they are back out. what is that feeling — want and they are back out. what is that feeling when _ want and they are back out. what is that feeling when you _ want and they are back out. what is that feeling when you are _ want and they are back out. what is that feeling when you are in, - that feeling when you are in, adrenaline coursing through your veins? it adrenaline coursing through your veins? , t, l, adrenaline coursing through your veins? , t, t, l, adrenaline coursing through your veins? , t, t, t, t, veins? it is adrenaline. you are scared, veins? it is adrenaline. you are scared. you _ veins? it is adrenaline. you are scared. you are _ veins? it is adrenaline. you are scared, you are rushing, - veins? it is adrenaline. you are scared, you are rushing, you i veins? it is adrenaline. you are - scared, you are rushing, you are... were _ scared, you are rushing, you are... were you _ scared, you are rushing, you are... were you ever— scared, you are rushing, you are... were you ever confronted - scared, you are rushing, you are... were you ever confronted by - scared, you are rushing, you are... were you ever confronted by a - were you ever confronted by a homeowner?— were you ever confronted by a homeowner? , ., , _, ., _ homeowner? yes, i was confronted by a homeowner— homeowner? yes, i was confronted by a homeowner but _ homeowner? yes, i was confronted by a homeowner but what _ homeowner? yes, i was confronted by a homeowner but what you _ homeowner? yes, i was confronted by a homeowner but what you have - homeowner? yes, i was confronted by a homeowner but what you have to - a homeowner but what you have to understand — a homeowner but what you have to understand is— a homeowner but what you have to understand is when _ a homeowner but what you have to understand is when i— a homeowner but what you have to understand is when i was— a homeowner but what you have to understand is when i was doing - a homeowner but what you have to understand is when i was doing it, i understand is when i was doing it, over 40 _ understand is when i was doing it, over 40 years _ understand is when i was doing it, over 40 years ago, _ understand is when i was doing it, over 40 years ago, there - understand is when i was doing it, over 40 years ago, there was - understand is when i was doing it, over 40 years ago, there was noti understand is when i was doing it, i over 40 years ago, there was not the violence _ over 40 years ago, there was not the violence that — over 40 years ago, there was not the violence that is — over 40 years ago, there was not the violence that is included _ over 40 years ago, there was not the violence that is included today. - over 40 years ago, there was not the violence that is included today. a - violence that is included today. a lot of— violence that is included today. a lot of people _ violence that is included today. a lot of people are _ violence that is included today. a lot of people are high— violence that is included today. a lot of people are high on- violence that is included today. a lot of people are high on drugs, i lot of people are high on drugs, totally— lot of people are high on drugs, totally out — lot of people are high on drugs, totally out of _ lot of people are high on drugs, totally out of their— lot of people are high on drugs, totally out of their brain. - lot of people are high on drugs, totally out of their brain. and i lot of people are high on drugs, i totally out of their brain. and they are ahead — totally out of their brain. and they are ahead of— totally out of their brain. and they are ahead of you _ totally out of their brain. and they are ahead of you because - totally out of their brain. and they are ahead of you because you - totally out of their brain. and they are ahead of you because you are i totally out of their brain. and they. are ahead of you because you are not expecting _ are ahead of you because you are not expecting it— are ahead of you because you are not expecting it trut— are ahead of you because you are not expecting it but they _ are ahead of you because you are not expecting it but they are. _ are ahead of you because you are not expecting it but they are. a _ are ahead of you because you are not expecting it but they are. a lot - are ahead of you because you are not expecting it but they are. a lot of - expecting it but they are. a lot of people _ expecting it but they are. a lot of people say— expecting it but they are. a lot of people say to _ expecting it but they are. a lot of people say to me. _ expecting it but they are. a lot of people say to me, anyone - expecting it but they are. a lot of people say to me, anyone breaksi expecting it but they are. a lot of - people say to me, anyone breaks into mine, _ people say to me, anyone breaks into mine, i_ people say to me, anyone breaks into mine, i have — people say to me, anyone breaks into mine, i have a — people say to me, anyone breaks into mine, i have a baseball— people say to me, anyone breaks into mine, i have a baseball bat— people say to me, anyone breaks into mine, i have a baseball bat under- mine, i have a baseball bat under the belt — mine, i have a baseball bat under the hell i— mine, i have a baseball bat under the bed. i have— mine, i have a baseball bat under the bed. i have got— mine, i have a baseball bat under the bed. i have got a _ mine, i have a baseball bat under the bed. i have got a knife - mine, i have a baseball bat under the bed. i have got a knife and i mine, i have a baseball bat underi the bed. i have got a knife and all

these _ the bed. i have got a knife and all these things — the bed. i have got a knife and all these things are _ the bed. i have got a knife and all these things are very— the bed. i have got a knife and all these things are very silly - the bed. i have got a knife and all these things are very silly really l these things are very silly really because — these things are very silly really because the _ these things are very silly really because the burglar— these things are very silly really because the burglar is - these things are very silly really because the burglar is aware, . these things are very silly reallyi because the burglar is aware, he does _ because the burglar is aware, he does not — because the burglar is aware, he does not want _ because the burglar is aware, he does not want to _ because the burglar is aware, he does not want to assault - because the burglar is aware, he does not want to assault you - because the burglar is aware, he does not want to assault you buti because the burglar is aware, he i does not want to assault you but he is aware _ does not want to assault you but he is aware and — does not want to assault you but he is aware and he _ does not want to assault you but he is aware and he is _ does not want to assault you but he is aware and he is ahead _ does not want to assault you but he is aware and he is ahead of- does not want to assault you but he is aware and he is ahead of you - does not want to assault you but he is aware and he is ahead of you and i is aware and he is ahead of you and if you _ is aware and he is ahead of you and if you do— is aware and he is ahead of you and if you do bring _ is aware and he is ahead of you and if you do bring out— is aware and he is ahead of you and if you do bring out a _ is aware and he is ahead of you and if you do bring out a knife _ is aware and he is ahead of you and if you do bring out a knife or- is aware and he is ahead of you and if you do bring out a knife or a - if you do bring out a knife or a baseball— if you do bring out a knife or a baseball bat, _ if you do bring out a knife or a baseball bat, believe - if you do bring out a knife or a baseball bat, believe it - if you do bring out a knife or a baseball bat, believe it or- if you do bring out a knife or a| baseball bat, believe it or not, if you do bring out a knife or a - baseball bat, believe it or not, you will get _ baseball bat, believe it or not, you will get done — baseball bat, believe it or not, you will get done for— baseball bat, believe it or not, you will get done for premeditation, i baseball bat, believe it or not, youi will get done for premeditation, so you knew— will get done for premeditation, so you knew you — will get done for premeditation, so you knew you were _ will get done for premeditation, so you knew you were going _ will get done for premeditation, so you knew you were going to - will get done for premeditation, so you knew you were going to use i will get done for premeditation, so you knew you were going to use iti you knew you were going to use it and you _ you knew you were going to use it and you would _ you knew you were going to use it and you would get _ you knew you were going to use it and you would get done _ you knew you were going to use it and you would get done for- you knew you were going to use it i and you would get done for assault. it's and you would get done for assault. it's tletter— and you would get done for assault. it's better to — and you would get done for assault. it's better to let _ and you would get done for assault. it's better to let the _ and you would get done for assault. it's better to let the burglar- and you would get done for assault. it's better to let the burglar girl, . it's better to let the burglar girl, it's better to let the burglar girl, i know— it's better to let the burglar girl, i know it — it's better to let the burglar girl, i know it is — it's better to let the burglar girl, i know it is hard _ it's better to let the burglar girl, i know it is hard to— it's better to let the burglar girl, i know it is hard to say— it's better to let the burglar girl, i know it is hard to say people i i know it is hard to say people should — i know it is hard to say people should let _ i know it is hard to say people should let the _ i know it is hard to say people should let the burglar- i know it is hard to say people should let the burglar get - i know it is hard to say people | should let the burglar get out, i know it is hard to say people - should let the burglar get out, get as much— should let the burglar get out, get as much description _ should let the burglar get out, get as much description as _ should let the burglar get out, get as much description as you - should let the burglar get out, get as much description as you can - should let the burglar get out, geti as much description as you can and let him _ as much description as you can and let him go— as much description as you can and let him go because _ as much description as you can and let him go because you _ as much description as you can and let him go because you do- as much description as you can and let him go because you do not- as much description as you can and | let him go because you do not want to get— let him go because you do not want to get involved _ let him go because you do not want to get involved.— let him go because you do not want to get involved. what happens when ou had to get involved. what happens when you had the — to get involved. what happens when you had the confrontation? - to get involved. what happens when you had the confrontation? i - to get involved. what happens when you had the confrontation? ijust - you had the confrontation? i 'ust ran, i you had the confrontation? i 'ust r rfi you had the confrontation? i 'ust ran, i ran. idid i you had the confrontation? i 'ust ran, i ran. i did noti you had the confrontation? i 'ust ran, i ran. i did not do i you had the confrontation? ijust ran, i ran. i did not do anything. ran, i ran. i did not do anything because — ran, i ran. i did not do anything because i— ran, i ran. i did not do anything because i knew— ran, i ran. i did not do anything because i knew if— ran, i ran. i did not do anything because i knew if i _ ran, i ran. i did not do anything because i knew if i would - ran, i ran. i did not do anything because i knew if i would havei ran, i ran. i did not do anything i because i knew if i would have got involved _ because i knew if i would have got involved with _ because i knew if i would have got involved with the _ because i knew if i would have got involved with the homeowner, - because i knew if i would have got involved with the homeowner, it l involved with the homeowner, it would _ involved with the homeowner, it would have _ involved with the homeowner, it would have been— involved with the homeowner, it would have been serious. - involved with the homeowner, it would have been serious. police| involved with the homeowner, it. would have been serious. police to chase _ would have been serious. police to chase up. — would have been serious. police to chase up. they— would have been serious. police to chase up, they have _ would have been serious. police to chase up, they have not— would have been serious. police to chase up, they have not got- would have been serious. police to

chase up, they have not got the i chase up, they have not got the resources — chase up, they have not got the resources for— chase up, they have not got the resources for burglary, - chase up, they have not got the resources for burglary, that - chase up, they have not got the resources for burglary, that is l chase up, they have not got the resources for burglary, that is ai resources for burglary, that is a fact _ resources for burglary, that is a fact if— resources for burglary, that is a fact if it — resources for burglary, that is a fact if it is _ resources for burglary, that is a fact. if it is an— resources for burglary, that is a fact. if it is an assault - resources for burglary, that is a fact. if it is an assault you - resources for burglary, that is a fact. if it is an assault you will. fact. if it is an assault you will phone — fact. if it is an assault you will phone the _ fact. if it is an assault you will phone the police _ fact. if it is an assault you will phone the police and - fact. if it is an assault you will phone the police and they - fact. if it is an assault you will phone the police and they will fact. if it is an assault you will- phone the police and they will come down _ phone the police and they will come down really— phone the police and they will come down really heavy _ phone the police and they will come down really heavy but _ phone the police and they will come down really heavy but the _ phone the police and they will come down really heavy but the trouble i phone the police and they will come down really heavy but the trouble isi down really heavy but the trouble is we have _ down really heavy but the trouble is we have got— down really heavy but the trouble is we have got far— down really heavy but the trouble is we have got far too _ down really heavy but the trouble is we have got far too many— down really heavy but the trouble is we have got far too many people i down really heavy but the trouble is| we have got far too many people not thinking _ we have got far too many people not thinking about — we have got far too many people not thinking about home _ we have got far too many people not thinking about home security. - we have got far too many people not thinking about home security. i- thinking about home security. i always— thinking about home security. i always say, _ thinking about home security. i always say, look— thinking about home security. i always say, look at _ thinking about home security. i always say, look at your - thinking about home security. i always say, look at your own i always say, look at your own property. _ always say, look at your own property. if— always say, look at your own property, if you _ always say, look at your own property, if you lost - always say, look at your own property, if you lost your- always say, look at your own . property, if you lost your keys, always say, look at your own - property, if you lost your keys, how would _ property, if you lost your keys, how would you _ property, if you lost your keys, how would you get — property, if you lost your keys, how would you get in— property, if you lost your keys, how would you get in because _ property, if you lost your keys, how would you get in because the - would you get in because the opportunist _ would you get in because the opportunist burglar— would you get in because the opportunist burglar will- would you get in because the opportunist burglar will do i would you get in because the l opportunist burglar will do that would you get in because the - opportunist burglar will do that as quick— opportunist burglar will do that as quick as possible. _ opportunist burglar will do that as quick as possible. so _ opportunist burglar will do that as quick as possible. so it— opportunist burglar will do that as quick as possible. so it is- opportunist burglar will do that as quick as possible. so it is about . quick as possible. so it is about very— quick as possible. so it is about very simple _ quick as possible. so it is about very simple things, _ quick as possible. so it is about very simple things, protecting i quick as possible. so it is about. very simple things, protecting your home _ very simple things, protecting your home as _ very simple things, protecting your home as much _ very simple things, protecting your home as much as _ very simple things, protecting your home as much as you _ very simple things, protecting your home as much as you possibly- very simple things, protecting youri home as much as you possibly can. what _ home as much as you possibly can. what about— home as much as you possibly can. what about the _ home as much as you possibly can. what about the alarm, _ home as much as you possibly can. what about the alarm, some - home as much as you possibly can. | what about the alarm, some people can have an alarm. does that put people off?— can have an alarm. does that put people off? alarms put people off but it's not people off? alarms put people off but it's got to _ people off? alarms put people off but it's got to be _ people off? alarms put people off but it's got to be working. - people off? alarms put people off but it's got to be working. a - people off? alarms put people off but it's got to be working. a lot i people off? alarms put people off but it's got to be working. a lot of people _ but it's got to be working. a lot of people have — but it's got to be working. a lot of people have alarms _ but it's got to be working. a lot of people have alarms and _ but it's got to be working. a lot of people have alarms and do - but it's got to be working. a lot of people have alarms and do not. but it's got to be working. a lot of| people have alarms and do not put them _ people have alarms and do not put them on _ people have alarms and do not put them on for— people have alarms and do not put them on for different _ people have alarms and do not put them on for different reasons - people have alarms and do not put them on for different reasons but. people have alarms and do not put| them on for different reasons but if you have _ them on for different reasons but if you have an— them on for different reasons but if you have an alarm, _ them on for different reasons but if you have an alarm, a _ them on for different reasons but if you have an alarm, a small- them on for different reasons but if you have an alarm, a small door. you have an alarm, a small door bell, _ you have an alarm, a small door bell. you — you have an alarm, a small door bell. you can _ you have an alarm, a small door bell. you can get _ you have an alarm, a small door bell, you can get an— you have an alarm, a small door bell, you can get an app, - you have an alarm, a small door bell, you can get an app, you i you have an alarm, a small doorl bell, you can get an app, you get you have an alarm, a small door. bell, you can get an app, you get a small— bell, you can get an app, you get a small camera —

bell, you can get an app, you get a small camera on _ bell, you can get an app, you get a small camera on the _ bell, you can get an app, you get a small camera on the outside - bell, you can get an app, you get a small camera on the outside of- bell, you can get an app, you get a small camera on the outside of the back of— small camera on the outside of the back of the — small camera on the outside of the back of the front _ small camera on the outside of the back of the front and _ small camera on the outside of the back of the front and if _ small camera on the outside of the back of the front and if there - small camera on the outside of the back of the front and if there is - back of the front and if there is any movement. _ back of the front and if there is any movement, it _ back of the front and if there is any movement, it will- back of the front and if there is any movement, it will alert - back of the front and if there is| any movement, it will alert you back of the front and if there is - any movement, it will alert you on your phone — any movement, it will alert you on your phone and _ any movement, it will alert you on your phone and it— any movement, it will alert you on your phone and it will— any movement, it will alert you on your phone and it will show- any movement, it will alert you on your phone and it will show you i any movement, it will alert you on your phone and it will show you a i your phone and it will show you a video. _ your phone and it will show you a video. a — your phone and it will show you a video. a ten— your phone and it will show you a video, a ten second _ your phone and it will show you a video, a ten second video- your phone and it will show you a video, a ten second video of- your phone and it will show you a - video, a ten second video of someone approaching _ video, a ten second video of someone approaching your _ video, a ten second video of someone approaching your property— video, a ten second video of someone approaching your property and - video, a ten second video of someone approaching your property and you - approaching your property and you can speak— approaching your property and you can speak to— approaching your property and you can speak to them, _ approaching your property and you can speak to them, you _ approaching your property and you can speak to them, you can- approaching your property and you can speak to them, you can speak| approaching your property and you . can speak to them, you can speak to them _ can speak to them, you can speak to them. just— can speak to them, you can speak to them. just do — can speak to them, you can speak to them. just do not— can speak to them, you can speak to them. just do not want— can speak to them, you can speak to them. just do not want to _ can speak to them, you can speak to them. just do not want to be - can speak to them, you can speak to them. just do not want to be seen, i them. just do not want to be seen, they do— them. just do not want to be seen, they do not— them. just do not want to be seen, they do not want— them. just do not want to be seen, they do not want to _ them. just do not want to be seen, they do not want to be _ them. just do not want to be seen, they do not want to be noticed - them. just do not want to be seen, they do not want to be noticed so l they do not want to be noticed so anything — they do not want to be noticed so anything you _ they do not want to be noticed so anything you do— they do not want to be noticed so anything you do to _ they do not want to be noticed so anything you do to protect - they do not want to be noticed so anything you do to protect them. | they do not want to be noticed sol anything you do to protect them. i put it— anything you do to protect them. i put it this — anything you do to protect them. i put it this way _ anything you do to protect them. i put it this way. yet _ anything you do to protect them. i put it this way. yet look _ anything you do to protect them. i put it this way. yet look out - anything you do to protect them. i put it this way. yet look out on - anything you do to protect them. i| put it this way. yet look out on the street _ put it this way. yet look out on the street 99%— put it this way. yet look out on the street 99% of— put it this way. yet look out on the street. 99% of us _ put it this way. yet look out on the street. 99% of us parallel- put it this way. yet look out on the street. 99% of us parallel park, . put it this way. yet look out on the | street. 99% of us parallel park, the fools _ street. 99% of us parallel park, the tools are _ street. 99% of us parallel park, the tools are dead _ street. 99% of us parallel park, the fools are dead straight. _ street. 99% of us parallel park, the fools are dead straight. 1%- street. 99% of us parallel park, the fools are dead straight. i% will- fools are dead straight. i% will trend — fools are dead straight. i% will trend the — fools are dead straight. i% will trend the fields _ fools are dead straight. i% will trend the fields in _ fools are dead straight. i% will trend the fields in car- fools are dead straight. i% will trend the fields in car parks i fools are dead straight. i% will trend the fields in car parks or| fools are dead straight. i% will. trend the fields in car parks or on the street— trend the fields in car parks or on the street towards _ trend the fields in car parks or on the street towards the _ trend the fields in car parks or on the street towards the next - trend the fields in car parks or on the street towards the next car. trend the fields in car parks or on| the street towards the next car or to the _ the street towards the next car or to the gutter _ the street towards the next car or to the gutter and _ the street towards the next car or to the gutter and that _ the street towards the next car or to the gutter and that 1% - the street towards the next car or to the gutter and that 1% will- the street towards the next car or to the gutter and that 1% will noti to the gutter and that 1% will not be touched. _ to the gutter and that 1% will not be touched, the _ to the gutter and that 1% will not be touched, the 99% _ to the gutter and that 1% will not be touched, the 99% will- to the gutter and that 1% will not be touched, the 99% will be - to the gutter and that 1% will not - be touched, the 99% will be because it's parallel— be touched, the 99% will be because it's parallel parked, _ be touched, the 99% will be because it's parallel parked, it— be touched, the 99% will be because it's parallel parked, it is— be touched, the 99% will be because it's parallel parked, it is easier- it's parallel parked, it is easier to pinch — it's parallel parked, it is easier to inch. . . it's parallel parked, it is easier to inch. ., ., . .

to pinch. rashid in london. we have one of those — to pinch. rashid in london. we have one of those little _ to pinch. rashid in london. we have one of those little cameras. - to pinch. rashid in london. we have one of those little cameras. the - one of those little cameras. the blog was trying to get the door and he saw the camera and his face went right up to it, that was frightening and then he went, he liked it. shabnam chaudhri, let me ask you about that, the natural instinct you have to protect and when i wanted to smash things up, i wanted to smash the guy over his head with my garden furniture, what i have been done? i furniture, what i have been done? i was screaming to speak out at the point you were saying that, it is a natural instinct for someone to immediately want to protect their loved ones and the property but there is a saying in law, to be able to use reasonable force as is necessary to protect your home and family but in the situation you were, running down the street chasing a burglar, armed with a chair, a bat orany chasing a burglar, armed with a chair, a bat or any kind of a weapon and you caught up with him and

assaulted him, you would have found yourself... it assaulted him, you would have found ourself... . . , assaulted him, you would have found ourself... . , , ., yourself... it was in my garden, he was climbing _ yourself... it was in my garden, he was climbing over _ yourself... it was in my garden, he was climbing over the _ yourself... it was in my garden, he was climbing over the fence - yourself... it was in my garden, he was climbing over the fence and i l was climbing over the fence and i grabbed... i was climbing over the fence and i grabbed- - -_ grabbed... i totally agree with all of those points, _ grabbed... i totally agree with all of those points, if _ grabbed... i totally agree with all of those points, if you _ grabbed... i totally agree with all of those points, if you try - grabbed... i totally agree with all of those points, if you try to - of those points, if you try to restrain someone that is one thing you would want to do while he is on your property but if you you would want to do while he is on y°ur property but if you talk you would want to do while he is on your property but if you talk to him with a bat or weapon and repeatedly attacked him which has happened, because the instinct and the fear and the desire to protect their loved ones takes over and you literally do not see what is happening, you find yourself using more force than is reasonable and as necessary. i think what is really important issue protect yourself and your property but at the same token they saw opportunist burglars and they saw opportunist burglars and they do not look to get caught. some will come in with weapons, some will do what it takes to escape because their desire to escape is a lot more

and they have more to lose so i would agree with your security guy, former burglar, protect your property but also get a good description and call the police and be safe, that's the most important. sometimes you lose the plot when they come in the window. rashid, hello, how are you doing? i am they come in the window. rashid, hello, how are you doing? i am doing 0k. how hello, how are you doing? i am doing 0k- how are — hello, how are you doing? i am doing 0k. how are you? _ hello, how are you doing? i am doing 0k. how are you? i _ hello, how are you doing? i am doing 0k. how are you? i am _ hello, how are you doing? i am doing 0k. how are you? i am listening - hello, how are you doing? i am doing 0k. how are you? i am listening to l hello, how are you doing? i am doing 0k. how are you? i am listening to a | 0k. how are you? i am listening to a lot of people — 0k. how are you? i am listening to a lot of people who _ 0k. how are you? i am listening to a lot of people who cannot _ 0k. how are you? i am listening to a lot of people who cannot forget, - lot of people who cannot forget, have you?— lot of people who cannot forget, have you? lot of people who cannot forget, have ou? ., have you? never ever. even now we have you? never ever. even now we have security — have you? never ever. even now we have security l — have you? never ever. even now we have security i sometimes _ have you? never ever. even now we have security i sometimes wake - have you? never ever. even now we have security i sometimes wake up | have you? never ever. even now we l have security i sometimes wake up at i'iili'it have security i sometimes wake up at night and _ have security i sometimes wake up at night and i_ have security i sometimes wake up at night and i go down and check all of the doors _ night and i go down and check all of the doors and windows. you know? it did not— the doors and windows. you know? it did not happen till late at night. 0ne did not happen till late at night. one was— did not happen till late at night. one was in the afternoon when we were _ one was in the afternoon when we were out — one was in the afternoon when we were out. working. we work in a care

home _ were out. working. we work in a care home we _ were out. working. we work in a care home. we were out for a birthday party— home. we were out for a birthday party one — home. we were out for a birthday party one weekend, it was about seven— party one weekend, it was about seven o'clock and when we came back around _ seven o'clock and when we came back around nine _ seven o'clock and when we came back around nine o'clock the house had been _ around nine o'clock the house had been burgled. but when the house was burgled _ been burgled. but when the house was burgled for— been burgled. but when the house was burgled for the second time, when you phone — burgled for the second time, when you phone it was in the afternoon, we knew _ you phone it was in the afternoon, we knew it — you phone it was in the afternoon, we knew it was who it was about a couple _ we knew it was who it was about a couple of — we knew it was who it was about a couple of weeks afterwards because all the _ couple of weeks afterwards because all the stuff that was taken, a television, small safe that we had with valuables in it and all of the jewellery. — with valuables in it and all of the jewellery, wedding presentjewellery jewellery, wedding present jewellery and jewellery, wedding presentjewellery and family heirlooms and etc, etc, the whole — and family heirlooms and etc, etc, the whole safe was taken. they lifted _ the whole safe was taken. they lifted it — the whole safe was taken. they lifted it up and when we came through— lifted it up and when we came through to the house, the door was removed. _ through to the house, the door was removed, we could see the door

removed — removed, we could see the door removed. because they had to remove the door— removed. because they had to remove the door to _ removed. because they had to remove the door to take it so it would have taken _ the door to take it so it would have taken probably people and they had some _ taken probably people and they had some help. because the cleaner we found _ some help. because the cleaner we found out— some help. because the cleaner we found out had given them all the information and it was instigated by the cleaner because one of the items that was— the cleaner because one of the items that was not taken was a camera but all the _ that was not taken was a camera but all the accessories were taken because — all the accessories were taken because it was still in the bag. the camera _ because it was still in the bag. the camera body was not and two weeks later the _ camera body was not and two weeks later the camera body disappeared when _ later the camera body disappeared when we _ later the camera body disappeared when we knew we had it and there was no break-in— when we knew we had it and there was no break—in so we told the police that it _ no break—in so we told the police that it was — no break—in so we told the police that it was the cleaner, we gave some _ that it was the cleaner, we gave some details of the cleaner and the car, some details of the cleaner and the car. she _ some details of the cleaner and the car. she had — some details of the cleaner and the car, she had a car as well and nothing — car, she had a car as well and nothing was done, they said they could _ nothing was done, they said they could not— nothing was done, they said they could not do anything because it would _ could not do anything because it would be — could not do anything because it would be termed as racist trying to id would be termed as racist trying to go to— would be termed as racist trying to go to her— would be termed as racist trying to go to her and say you have been involved — go to her and say you have been involved in— go to her and say you have been involved in a robbery. but the question— involved in a robbery. but the question was asked...

involved in a robbery. but the question was asked. . .- involved in a robbery. but the question was asked... dead they say that? they did. _ question was asked... dead they say that? they did, they _ question was asked... dead they say that? they did, they did, _ question was asked... dead they say that? they did, they did, they - question was asked... dead they say that? they did, they did, they said l that? they did, they did, they said the could that? they did, they did, they said they could not _ that? they did, they did, they said they could not get _ that? they did, they did, they said they could not get involved - that? they did, they did, they said l they could not get involved because it would _ they could not get involved because it would be termed as they are attacking — it would be termed as they are attacking her because it would be racist. _ attacking her because it would be racist. it— attacking her because it would be racist, it was alleged that she was involved _ racist, it was alleged that she was involved but they could have asked for the _ involved but they could have asked for the question, why was that taken and they— for the question, why was that taken and they could have searched her property — and they could have searched her property. there was currency as well. — property. there was currency as well. we _ property. there was currency as well. we had got some currency to go on holiday _ well. we had got some currency to go on holiday. and we had come back from _ on holiday. and we had come back from some — on holiday. and we had come back from some other holidays and we had other— from some other holidays and we had other currency, all of that was taken — other currency, all of that was taken and _ other currency, all of that was taken and the camera, the accessories were taken. to me, all the other— accessories were taken. to me, all the other people that she probably has done _ the other people that she probably has done the same and gone in and -ot has done the same and gone in and got a _ has done the same and gone in and got a job— has done the same and gone in and got a job cleaning and then find out. _ got a job cleaning and then find out. get — got a job cleaning and then find out, get someone to come in and do it up and _ out, get someone to come in and do it up and move on to the next one.

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talking about burglaries and your experience, a high—profile case in the newspaper, disturbing statistics, police feel they are stretched at the moment, they do their best, but their bet is often not good enough if you have had that drama. i was robbed in 2017, they kicked a hole through the back door, took all my sentimental items. and

my savings, i still live with the aftermath of six years later. i checked all the doors and windows every day, i have anxiety when i go home, burglars robbed a number of houses on the same day which swamped the police with calls and requests. one as well. we appreciate your checks. i lost my husband and 2007, in 2009 i got burgled, they took all myjewellery, some of it a gift from myjewellery, some of it a gift from my weight has been, i had to redecorate my bedroom because i was scared and angry. this person was burgled seven years ago, they went straight to the bedroom, opened all the dryers and tell the fendi gold and silverjewelry leaving the and silver jewelry leaving the costume jewelry and silverjewelry leaving the costume jewelry on the bed and fuller. every door and window was locked, the damage the lock on the door and force the other. the police

marvellous, two came straightaway, and while they were still here, put locks on both dollars. i have not recovered fully from the experience? returning home such a scene. we have eric callers still with us,. we are discussing the massive aspect, the ongoing feeling, you neverforget, the paranoia after it has happened. we lived, i don't know if you can hear me, excuse me, my family and i lived in a large, the park keeper house in a big park, surrounded by

trees and buildings. one evening, my children and i were sleeping, we had cctv, we came down in the morning and it was draughty. the window was smashed. we looked on the cctv and eight—man had blatantly locked in the delegates, up the driveway, tried to break into the outbuildings with a screwdriver, starting at the locks, he went to the side window, smashed it, we did not hear anything. emptied the table where i work from home, went into the outbuildings, and took the ferry tools like it would solve, and we

watched him spend from five o'clock in the morning until six o'clock snooping around, there is a big hole in the back door and footprints everywhere, trying to take the children's bicycles, the vehicle, he walked away with hand tools that you use outside. as we got up, we saw the light turn on, that did not deter him. the children went downstairs and he was watching them through the window. mum, the window is broken! i went to look, i was horrified? this man was looking at my children to see what they were doing, nothing deterred him. we looked at the mess, the anxiety,

paranoia, i called the police, they had a look, the daughter showed them where there were fingerprints. the following weekend, i found where there were fingerprints. the following weekend, ifound out where there were fingerprints. the following weekend, i found out he had broken into someone's vehicle in the same time. they had a photograph and i photocopied and sent it to the police and he was never caught. years down the line, i am still paranoid and scared. taste years down the line, i am still paranoid and scared.— paranoid and scared. we have statistics. _ paranoid and scared. we have statistics, an _ paranoid and scared. we have statistics, an increase - paranoid and scared. we have statistics, an increase of- paranoid and scared. we have statistics, an increase of 7% i statistics, an increase of 7% increase in domestic burglaries from 2022 to 2021, probably law due to ongoing covid—19 restrictions. in that year to march 2022, in england and wales, the home office should 6.3% of robbery offences and 4.1% of

thefts resulted in charges. recent figures found police burglaries in london had fallen by 50%. a recent pledge at the conference conference said they would attend every single report. easiersaid said they would attend every single report. easier said than done given stretched resources. what can we do? hello, what happened? taste stretched resources. what can we do? hello, what happened?— stretched resources. what can we do? hello, what happened? we were living in her new home _ hello, what happened? we were living in her new home in _ hello, what happened? we were living in her new home in the _ hello, what happened? we were living in her new home in the village - hello, what happened? we were living in her new home in the village for - in her new home in the village for six months, i was out with a friend, i got a call from my husband saying the neighbours had come to say someone was seen leaving her property with our staff. they called the police, i was on my way home, our house had been ransacked in broad daylight. i think it changes how you live. we have never had an

alarm system, we had never had cctv, we planted plants along the fence, lots of deterrence. we left differently. irreplaceable items about taken and that is what hurts the most because they are meaningless to other people that meaningless to other people that mean a lot to you. it meaningless to other people that mean a lot to you.— meaningless to other people that mean a lot to you. it changes how ou live, mean a lot to you. it changes how you live, walking _ mean a lot to you. it changes how you live, walking out _ mean a lot to you. it changes how you live, walking out of _ mean a lot to you. it changes how you live, walking out of your- mean a lot to you. it changes how| you live, walking out of your house with your property, that triggered me. angry on your behalf. thea;r with your property, that triggered me. angry on your behalf. they had taken pillowcases _ me. angry on your behalf. they had taken pillowcases from _ me. angry on your behalf. they had taken pillowcases from the - me. angry on your behalf. they had taken pillowcases from the bedding | taken pillowcases from the bedding which really annoyed me. they were

old—fashioned burglars. the police are really good, they were using a vehicle on still the number plates, they gave lots of good advice about protecting ourselves, but it is really sad that we have to live that way. even now, if i'm in the garden, i cannot leave my garage door unlocked in case someone comes along and steal things. since then, we have had a vehicle stolen during the first lockdown, four months at, at six o'clock in the morning, two men were creeping around on my drive and still the number plates from a car. it continues. i still the number plates from a car. it continues-—

it continues. i love the use of the word irked- _ it continues. i love the use of the word irked. it _ it continues. i love the use of the word irked. it changes _ it continues. i love the use of the word irked. it changes the - it continues. i love the use of the word irked. it changes the way i it continues. i love the use of the l word irked. it changes the way you live, the university of bristol, here are with us to talk about this. something changes when it happens to you. it something changes when it happens to ou. . something changes when it happens to ou. , . , . . you. it is really poignant that you have to change _ you. it is really poignant that you have to change the _ you. it is really poignant that you have to change the way - you. it is really poignant that you have to change the way you - you. it is really poignant that you have to change the way you live. | you. it is really poignant that you. have to change the way you live. it is a violation of safe space and outcomes. intrinsically the way where we feel safe, we can be a true sales, and people have spoken about the loss of material items that would mean nothing to anyone else but mean huge amounts to their sentiments. what we are experiencing is bereavement that goes with the loss. that can be ongoing. it is bereavement that goes with the loss. that can be ongoing.- loss. that can be ongoing. it can last for years —

loss. that can be ongoing. it can last for years. the _ loss. that can be ongoing. it can last for years. the memory - loss. that can be ongoing. it can i last for years. the memory imprint for a long time. find last for years. the memory imprint for a long time.— for a long time. and homes are supposed _ for a long time. and homes are supposed to — for a long time. and homes are supposed to be _ for a long time. and homes are supposed to be safe, _ for a long time. and homes are supposed to be safe, once - for a long time. and homes are supposed to be safe, once the. supposed to be safe, once the violation happens, we do not know how to make it safe again. people go through a process of becoming hyper vigilant, security cameras, making arrangements, prickly dishes under the windows, hyper vigilance can have all sorts of impacts on our well—being, we cannot sleep, it affects their relevance, her anxiety and mood. an incident that could have happened years ago can have an impact well into the future for us. fight orflight when impact well into the future for us. fight or flight when it happens, you protect yourfamily, it fight or flight when it happens, you protect your family, it is very difficult to keep your feelings in check and not to do something rash if you confront someone. fight

check and not to do something rash if you confront someone.— if you confront someone. fight or fli . ht if you confront someone. fight or flightjumps _ if you confront someone. fight or flightjumps in. — if you confront someone. fight or flightjumps in. if— if you confront someone. fight or flight jumps in, if you _ if you confront someone. fight or flightjumps in, if you see - if you confront someone. fight or flightjumps in, if you see an - flightjumps in, if you see an intruder or someone running off, it is instinctive to do something, to try and find out who has got your materials, where you can go, what you can do. that kicks in. what happens is when we are not having that resolution, you cannot have that resolution, you cannot have that fight, the burglar is not there, the energy it has nowhere to go and it will become internalised and we observe the frustration we get frustrated that services that are already overstretched. we know the police are doing their best, they are trying to do it, but we did not have a resolution.— they are trying to do it, but we did not have a resolution. inevitably we think they are _ not have a resolution. inevitably we think they are not _ not have a resolution. inevitably we think they are not taking _ not have a resolution. inevitably we think they are not taking it - think they are not taking it seriously enough. i am sure they are but it is overwhelming. for them, they are of a and we are overwhelmed

by what happened. diane east sussex, and graham isjoining us. not very happy. and graham isjoining us. not very happy, what happened five years ago? five years ago my daughter and i disturbed a burglar at six o'clock in the morning. we thought it was each other going down the stairs, it was the burglar running down the stairs because he hurt her alarms to wake us up. we think vehicle was off the driveway and it was probably more than one person and possibly used the next week in five armed burglaries. i am glad we did not confront the burglar because we do not know whether he had an arm or not. there was shock and physical laws. the life changing things you

have referred to which impact me, for years, have referred to which impact me, foryears, i have referred to which impact me, for years, i could not sleep without the light on, i did not feel confident, when i came home i would walk around the house and check the cupboards to make sure they were not introduced. if a lawn of a night, i would not undress. —— if i was alone. i cannot watch time —— frame tv programmes. alone. i cannot watch time -- frame tv programmes-— alone. i cannot watch time -- frame tv programmes. what was that frame ro . ramme tv programmes. what was that frame programme recently? _ tv programmes. what was that frame programme recently? i _ tv programmes. what was that frame programme recently? i have - tv programmes. what was that frame programme recently? i have always i programme recently? i have always loved crime — programme recently? i have always loved crime solving _ programme recently? i have always loved crime solving programmes i programme recently? i have always loved crime solving programmes up until now. there are so many things. i get a reminder every year when i renew my car insurance because when the car was written off by the same

people, it's regarded as an at fault claim because there is no one to claim because there is no one to claim against, every year, i am paying the insurance premium doubled to what i was previously paying. it has cost a fortune apart from the things that were taken. it is more the change in your life behaviour. reminders. you mentioned a trader earlier. i see a trader in my daughter and i because of something that happens or is spoken about. it was a very dramatic, it is not a good experience. taste was a very dramatic, it is not a good experience.— was a very dramatic, it is not a good experience. was a very dramatic, it is not a tood exerience. . . ,., ., good experience. we have some more u n good experience. we have some more u- to two. good experience. we have some more up to two- we — good experience. we have some more up to two- we had _ good experience. we have some more up to two. we had some _ good experience. we have some more up to two. we had some show- good experience. we have some more | up to two. we had some show business news. it cherished national treasure is leaving the treasured programme.

the bbc has announced that derek thompson, the longest serving actor in casualty, he is part of the fabric of british family life on the television. he is leaving the soap opera after 37 years. honestly! he has a unique acting style. he is really special. he does something with his eyes. he played for two decades but said the time has come to hang up his scrubs. there will be more on the bbc news website and on radio 5 live. happy to think of a man who has given us so much on the small screen, better suite because he is leaving after 37 years. has anyone been on a soap opera as long

as that? perhaps in coronation street. 37 years, that is extraordinary. back to this. what should happen, you feel strongly about this?— about this? listening to your revious about this? listening to your previous callers, _ about this? listening to your previous callers, i _ about this? listening to your previous callers, i have - about this? listening to your| previous callers, i have never about this? listening to your - previous callers, i have never been broken into, i know it is very dramatic, and i think you should have the right to protect your property. the law needs to be changed. people who break are obviously uninvited, entering your property, i think you should have the right to protect their property and your belongings. tbs, the right to protect their property and your belongings. tbs. lat the right to protect their property and your belongings.— the right to protect their property and your belongings. a lot of people will atree and your belongings. a lot of people will agree with _ and your belongings. a lot of people will agree with you, _ and your belongings. a lot of people will agree with you, but _ will agree with you, but unfortunately or fortunately, the law does not agree with you. can you

speak to graham about this? a visceral reaction which is completely understandable. i visceral reaction which is completely understandable. i totally understand that _ completely understandable. i totally understand that reaction, _ completely understandable. i totally understand that reaction, but - completely understandable. i totally understand that reaction, but you i understand that reaction, but you cannot take the law into your own hands, there is a law to protect everybody from harm. i understand why i would feel the same if someone broke into my house, you want to protect it. broke into my house, you want to rotect it. ., .., broke into my house, you want to rotect it. ., _, . . protect it. you could argue that the law is therefore _ protect it. you could argue that the law is therefore not _ protect it. you could argue that the law is therefore not strong - protect it. you could argue that the j law is therefore not strong enough. a lot of— law is therefore not strong enough. a lot of people are being let down listening _ a lot of people are being let down listening to your previous callers, a lot— listening to your previous callers, a lot of— listening to your previous callers, a lot of them are not even solved, surely— a lot of them are not even solved, surely that— a lot of them are not even solved, surely that means high that the law is feeling _ surely that means high that the law is feeling or it is not strong enough _ is feeling or it is not strong enou:h. . , , , enough. there are issues with the law failint enough. there are issues with the law failing victims _ enough. there are issues with the law failing victims of _ enough. there are issues with the

law failing victims of crimes. - enough. there are issues with the law failing victims of crimes. the . law failing victims of crimes. the police will now attend every burglary but that does not mean to say that when someone breaks into your property that you commit a crime to protect the property. let me finish. what is important the law allows you to a reasonable force as necessary, it does not need to see when someone is running away that it is after them and be kept to a pulp. but in the process of committing a crime of a burglary on your property? you can try to them committing that crime for from hurting anyone in your property, you can use reasonable force and that is what the law. but you have to be careful if you use reasonable or excessive force. people do not want to hear this but that is a reality.

it is not a science.— to hear this but that is a reality. it is not a science. when you hear --eole it is not a science. when you hear people say _ it is not a science. when you hear people say it _ it is not a science. when you hear people say it makes _ it is not a science. when you hear people say it makes the - it is not a science. when you hear people say it makes the blood - it is not a science. when you hear| people say it makes the blood boil and the instinct, can you imagine, how they would forget whatever is going on around them, intent on causing harm and injury to the person. that would be excessive. graham, it is not to say that they would not be huge sympathy but it crosses the line. just would not be huge sympathy but it crosses the line.— crosses the line. just one other thin , if crosses the line. just one other thing, if someone _ crosses the line. just one other thing, if someone breaks - crosses the line. just one other thing, if someone breaks into l crosses the line. just one other i thing, if someone breaks into your property— thing, if someone breaks into your property and they end up using violence — property and they end up using violence to protect themselves, or violence _ violence to protect themselves, or violence on — violence to protect themselves, or violence on the suspect, you are saying _ violence on the suspect, you are saying they have got more rights than the — saying they have got more rights than the person they are breaking

into _ than the person they are breaking into. we — than the person they are breaking into. ~ . , , . than the person they are breaking into. ~ . ,, . ., into. we will address that on another occasion. _ into. we will address that on another occasion. let's - into. we will address that on another occasion. let's talk. into. we will address that on . another occasion. let's talk to lewis in bromley. i need to clarify something, i said earlier on, on another topic, the legend, derek thompson is leaving? casualty after 37 years. i am sure there is a coronation street character, i meant ken barlow in coronation street since 1960. ken barlow in coronation street since1960. that has to be a record! go on, lewis, yourfamily home was robbed while you were sleeping. how long ago? robbed while you were sleeping. how lont ato? . , . , robbed while you were sleeping. how lonuuao? . , . ,. ., ., long ago? newlicht 24 years ago now. we woke up — long ago? newlicht 24 years ago now. we woke up in — long ago? newlicht 24 years ago now. we woke up in the _ long ago? newlicht 24 years ago now. we woke up in the morning _ long ago? newlicht 24 years ago now. we woke up in the morning and - long ago? newlicht 24 years ago now. we woke up in the morning and the i we woke up in the morning and the front door was wide open. they climb

through the window, let themselves in to the front door, and help themselves to the car and other things. i did not sit in my bedroom until my teenage years, now i live on my own with three dogs for safety. someone tried to break them two years ago at four o'clock in the morning, my dogs scare them away. how they did guide theyr morning, my dogs scare them away. how they did guid— how they did guide they are little do . s, how they did guide they are little dos, but how they did guide they are little dogs. but you — how they did guide they are little dogs, but you can't _ how they did guide they are little dogs, but you can't tell _ how they did guide they are little dogs, but you can't tell that - how they did guide they are little dogs, but you can't tell that from the other side of the door. mt; dogs, but you can't tell that from the other side of the door. my west hithland the other side of the door. my west highland terriers _ the other side of the door. my west highland terriers go _ the other side of the door. my west highland terriers go crazy _ the other side of the door. my west highland terriers go crazy when - highland terriers go crazy when someone visits. all these years later, it is still messy.- later, it is still messy. high remember— later, it is still messy. high remember everything - later, it is still messy. high| remember everything about later, it is still messy. f! cu remember everything about it. later, it is still messy. high - remember everything about it. i have a text here. —

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opportunists, they will find a property that is not secure and they will find a way to end. if you make the property really secure, you have the property really secure, you have the time of lights on, your door bells, window is closed during hot weather, all those things will deter a burglar to come into your property and it will go to the next house or the next house are at the next house. that is really important. make sure when you buy new items, do not put it on shell, did not put it on facebook that you are going away for two weeks, by the time you get back, someone will have found out. criminals have normal friends, back, someone will have found out. criminals have normalfriends, they do not let their friends criminals have normalfriends, they do not let theirfriends know criminals have normalfriends, they do not let their friends know the burglars but they will find a way to go to your property to steal from you. go to your property to steal from ou. ., .

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