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but can legislation keep up with the speed of change? the chinese government's top infectious disease scientist says it is possible that covid came from a lab leak in wuhan. welcome. verified life. three hours of breaking stories and the truth behind them. lots to explore today in the we begin in russia — where in the past half an hour — vladimir putin has accused ukraine, of trying to provoke russia — with this morning's drone attack on moscow — and claiming that the drones were aimed at "civilian targets." there are no reported deaths from this morning's incident — but several buildings were damaged. russia's foreign ministry said, that country has the right to take the harshest measures in response.
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meanwhile, ukraine has denied responsibility. moscow's regional governor said, several drones had been shot down outside the city, and also pinned responsibility for the attack, on ukraine. this was vladimir putin in the last little while. asa as a response, the kyiv regime took as a response, the kyiv regime took a different path of frightening russia, fighting the citizens of russia, fighting the citizens of russia initiating residential buildings. of course, this is a clear sign of terrorist activity. firstly, i want to say that the rest make moscow air defences of work satisfactory although there's still some to do. we encountered the same in syria. it is just overcoming the airbase in moscow in the metropolis are incomparable. in general, it's clear what needs to be done to seal the air defence of the capital and we will do it. but i'm not so worried about this as about the attempts to evoke a response from russia. after all, everything is designed for this purpose. they
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provoke us to our actions. we'll see what to do this but the citizens of ukraine who have no say because total tabor has been unleashed against civilian population in ukraine, they should know with the current leadership of this country is pushing and understand the still of the threats associated with, for example, attempts to disorganised work at the power plant or use some of the kind of dirty nuclear device. we'll talk to our correspondent on those comments in a moment — but let's first focus on those drones attacking moscow. an adviser to president volodymyr zelensky was asked about the strikes — and said "we have nothing to do with this," but added that kyiv is "watching with pleasure and forecast an increasing number of attacks". rosenberg number of attacks". was in moscow when the drone rosenberg was in moscow when the drone attacks are actually happening. russian tv since this was the moment that moscow came under attack. from early morning, people around the russian capital reported hearing
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explosions. i did too, in my windows shook from the force of the blasts. russia's defence ministry said that ukraine had targeted moscow with drones and russian military claimed it had brought them all down. look at that! commences in this video. right above her house! later, russian investigators announced that no one had been injured. and the been an official investigation into this attack. one of the drones and crashed into a high—rise apartment block. another reportedly fluid to both residential building. here's part of it on the ground and it failed to explode. the area was cordoned off and emergency services removed it. among local residents, the sense of shock is palpable. we are all on edge, he since. i don't know what we should do about it. i
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fearfor know what we should do about it. i fear for my life in the lives of my loved ones, she says. things are not as calm and stable as we have been told. the authorities say there was minor damage, no serious injuries in the situation is under control. but this drone attack is a wake—up call, a sign that this war that many still perceive as being far away is coming much closer to home. that feeling has been growing and since these explosions over the kremlin early this month, and apparent drone attack. injust days this month, and apparent drone attack. in just days ago, a large—scale cross—border incursion from ukraine into russian territory was another embarrassment for the russian authorities at the sign of growing insecurity. but no sign of a political u—turn. after this drone attack, the message from the kremlin is clear, because the special
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military operation in ukraine, will continue. let's get the view form washington now. earlier i spoke with kristine berzina, managing directorfor german marshall fund north. the likelihood is that this is from a ukraine affiliated group and not the ukrainian military itself and in this case it is the expression of the realness of this conflict end of this war for the russian the realness of this conflict end of this warfor the russian people. if ukrainians and those in kyiv attacked night after night running for over a year into bomb shelters in their basements, if they've been living like this, they mostly, russia as the conscripts and fighting on the front lines and volunteers who have fought but for the average russian, the war has been involved relatively abstract but as these attacks, it is not
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abstract any longer, it is something that can hurt them the attacks from russia on civilians residents infrastructure and houses and hospitals. this is been the terroristic elements of this war and right now, we see that in this pre—offensive or first moments of this counteroffensive is that ukraine is launching a difference, not only in the power that ukraine is springing to take back a potentially those who support ukraine to say that this war is not going to be flat on russia's terms that ukraine is capable of setting different terms.— that ukraine is capable of setting different terms. what are the risks because they _ different terms. what are the risks because they are _ different terms. what are the risks because they are from _ different terms. what are the risks because they are from the - different terms. what are the risks because they are from the white . because they are from the white house trying to find out more about what was behind today's attack but we do not support attacks inside of
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russia and official deniers ukraine but this been a real worry in western capitals of the scope of ukrainian attacks spilling over into russian sovereign territory. what you think of the likely consequences of that if that is what we have seen? i of that if that is what we have seen? ~ �* , ~ ., seen? i think we're seeing ukraine and those who _ seen? i think we're seeing ukraine and those who support _ seen? i think we're seeing ukraine and those who support ukraine - and those who support ukraine playing a very delicate dance here. it is really important for the western partners to support ukraine not to have their equipment used in russia and they and do not want ukraine striking within russia itself. that is different from what the voices in ukraine, not all, but some might want to see happen and on these ukrainians and russians trained in ukraine who wanted to go back and strike in recent weeks, thatis back and strike in recent weeks, that is a different example of
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something that is not quite ukrainian but against russia and the balance is important because ukraine does not want to jeopardise the support of the west and the west in particular, the united states, germany, countries that are incredibly fearful of escalation. going live, political studies, welcome to the programme and to moscow being hit today. i welcome to the programme and to moscow being hit today.— moscow being hit today. i woke up uuite earl moscow being hit today. i woke up quite early because _ moscow being hit today. i woke up quite early because of— moscow being hit today. i woke up quite early because of the - moscow being hit today. i woke up quite early because of the strike . quite early because of the strike and its executive forms and i woke up and its executive forms and i woke up at six in the morning and to give
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more, i would say, enthusiasm, up at six in the morning and to give more, iwould say, enthusiasm, i came to the fitness cloud and having some discussions with people there. it was a positive surprise. and tf goal was to threaten moscow citizens, tf. and they're very strong demands —— kyiv and. there was... strong demands -- kyiv and. there was... ., ., strong demands -- kyiv and. there was... ~ ., ., was... flood putin said ukraine had carried out — was... flood putin said ukraine had carried out a _ was... flood putin said ukraine had carried out a terrorist _ was... flood putin said ukraine had carried out a terrorist attack. - was... flood putin said ukraine had carried out a terrorist attack. what | carried out a terrorist attack. what evidence do you have this attack was of ukrainian origin? it is interesting _ of ukrainian origin? it is interesting question. i
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of ukrainian origin? it is| interesting question. i'm of ukrainian origin? it 3 interesting question. i'm sure there's some evidence that they can compare with putin said and what ukrainian authorities are saying. this is ukrainian and ukrainian denies this i ask everyone asking the programme now, who do you think chris mcqueen is right? vladimir putin or ukrainian authorities? 99% of those who watch our programme believe that on this particular issue, vladimir putin is right. kari? issue, vladimir putin is right. kyiv issue, vladimir putin is right. kyiv is 470 km from _ issue, vladimir putin is right. kyiv is 470 km from moscow and these drones, using they travelled of that distance of crusher defences? or, with they launched inside of russia puts mike both would be incredibly troubling for the russian military authorities, they
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? just a few minutes ago before the programme. _ ? just a few minutes ago before the programme. i _ ? just a few minutes ago before the programme. i had _ ? just a few minutes ago before the programme, i had a _ ? just a few minutes ago before the programme, i had a discussion - programme, i had a discussion with the general over this issue and with another very good specialist intelligence service. they have divided opinion. one of them says more have been launched from the northern part of ukraine and general says more probably that there could be reconstructed in one of the places. be reconstructed in one of the laces. �* ., be reconstructed in one of the laces. ,. ., ., , places. both scenarios are worrying. the head of— places. both scenarios are worrying. the head of the _ places. both scenarios are worrying. the head of the group _ places. both scenarios are worrying. the head of the group said - places. both scenarios are worrying. the head of the group said in - places. both scenarios are worrying. the head of the group said in the . the head of the group said in the last hour that they lashed out at the russian defence ministry official saying there's simply not doing enough to prevent the drone attacks on moscow, do you agree with that opinion i attacks on moscow, do you agree with that oinion ., attacks on moscow, do you agree with that oinion . ,., .,
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that opinion i agree with both of them. that opinion i agree with both of them- their _ that opinion i agree with both of them. they handled _ that opinion i agree with both of them. they handled the - that opinion i agree with both of them. they handled the big - them. they handled the big operations and he is in a relationship with the russian defence. all these big businesses with the state bureaucracy. relations with the bureaucracies and elon musk relationship with united states bureaucracy. think of him of a rush elon musk. at the point he is making. i5 a rush elon musk. at the point he is makinu. , ., , ., a rush elon musk. at the point he is makinu. , . , ., ,., . making. is that is not protecting the people _ making. is that is not protecting the people in — making. is that is not protecting the people in the _ making. is that is not protecting the people in the federal- making. is that is not protecting the people in the federal war. the people in the federal war that's going on for over a year and russians will have seen on the televisions and this is suddenly very close to home, isn't it? i am answering — very close to home, isn't it? i am answering your — very close to home, isn't it? i am answering your question - very close to home, isn't it? i —n answering your question very clearly. criticising russian military bureaucracy not because they are wrong, it's absolutely
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clear that sometimes, they are wrong, it's absolutely clearthat sometimes, ukrainian clear that sometimes, ukrainian terrorist clearthat sometimes, ukrainian terrorist attack nationalist cities. but he just wants to get resources to his big private area from the russian state budget. so this is a key point of discussion with russian. ~ , ., , ., ., , russian. will this worry ordinary russian. will this worry ordinary russian citizens? _ russian. will this worry ordinary russian citizens? they - russian. will this worry ordinary russian citizens? they watch . russian. will this worry ordinary russian citizens? they watch a i russian. will this worry ordinary - russian citizens? they watch a world conflict over the border and on the televisions and suddenly, there are attacks on their capital close to them, without worry them, little support the regime? this them, without worry them, little support the regime?— them, without worry them, little support the regime? this war, this was expected _ support the regime? this war, this was expected and _ support the regime? this war, this was expected and this _ support the regime? this war, this was expected and this political - was expected and this political support of vladimir putin because more people decide that ukraine has a fascist regime and these terrorists should be crushed by us.
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you describe these attacks and they make the thought because it is there in a capital, produce residential buildings that were hit and we see that every night and ukraine and kyiv, you've made that assessment and characterisation that it is a terrorist attack. do you except by definition, those attacks and kyiv are also terrorist attacks? people and k iv are also terrorist attacks? people and kyiv are _ are also terrorist attacks? people and kyiv are our _ are also terrorist attacks? people and kyiv are our people. - are also terrorist attacks? people and kyiv are our people. 9096 - are also terrorist attacks? people and kyiv are our people. 9096 of. and kyiv are our people. 90% of them are russians, saying that, 90% of them speak russian language and we do not want to kill them. that is why russian. do not want to kill them. that is why russian-— why russian. you you've won 17 attacks on _ why russian. you you've won 17 attacks on kyiv _ why russian. you you've won 17 attacks on kyiv this _ why russian. you you've won 17 attacks on kyiv this month. - why russian. you you've won 17| attacks on kyiv this month. only military and _ attacks on kyiv this month. only military and infrastructure - military and infrastructure
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targeting. military and infrastructure targeting-— military and infrastructure taruuetin. . , . , targeting. look at the pictures. that is not _ targeting. look at the pictures. that is not military _ targeting. look at the pictures. i that is not military infrastructure that was a residential building today and one person was hit, many others were injured. that is the reality on the ground virtually every day. reality on the ground virtually every day-— reality on the ground virtually eve da. �*, ., , every day. it's war, sometimes if ou're every day. it's war, sometimes if you're targeting _ every day. it's war, sometimes if you're targeting the _ every day. it's war, sometimes if you're targeting the military - every day. it's war, sometimes if l you're targeting the military goals, sometimes civilians could be killed and russians do not want to threaten civilians of ukraine. but on the contrary, ukrainian army targeted exactly these cities. they want to threaten russian people in moscow or belgrade. what there very few people who would agree with that analysis. i want to finish the interview with this because. i want to finish the interview with this because-— i want to finish the interview with this because. , . ., ,, ., this because. they are talking about the harshness _ this because. they are talking about the harshness of— this because. they are talking about the harshness of responses as - this because. they are talking about| the harshness of responses as result of today and what do you anticipate in terms of a response in russia
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reacting and in what way, after what we have seen in the last 24 hours? vladimir putin incident clearly. kyiv terrorist regime wants russian to mirror the response and we will not. the ship will not do this because there are people in it we would not to liberate them. the attack against the terrorist headquarters.— attack against the terrorist headquarters. attack against the terrorist headuuarters. ., ~' ., ., headquarters. thank you for “oining us live there — headquarters. thank you for “oining us live there from i headquarters. thank you for “oining us live there from moscow. _ around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. diaries and notebooks to the covid inquiry has been extended. the cabinet office now has until thursday to pass the material to the inquiry.
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the rate of price rises at uk supermarkets hit a new high in the year to may due to coffee, chocolate and non—food goods. the british retail consortium said that the overall rate of inflation at grocers reached 9%. while prices for fresh food have fallen marginally, the cost of commodities such as coffee and cocoa has jumped staff at homeless charity st mungo's are to launch a month—long strike from tuesday in a dispute over pay. members of trade union unite said workers were "taking a stand" following what they called a "pitiful" offer of a 2.25% pay rise. st mungo's has said it cannot afford to meet the union's demands.
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artificial intelligence may offer a whole new array of tools, but there are also fears over the impact of the new techology on every day life. concerns start growing. concerns are growing. and so later today, the european union and the united states will discuss cooperation on al. they are expected to look into the role of apps and programmes that use a! algorithims — such as chatgpt. members of the g7 group of leading economies are also meeting today to debate the role of ai and look at how the technology should be governed, as well as limiting disinformation and protecting copyright. live now tojonathan freedland, author and columnist with the guardian walked into the programme and your article from a couple of days ago, and it starts with an anecdote about and it starts with an anecdote about a tech rider and a new checkbox and for viewers they didn't see that, take us through that exchange because it is quite startling. it
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it's on myjourney to the subject began and it was really couple months ago theyjust came across this encounter is described by a tech rider who had been talking to the chabad associated with the —— chatting associated with the chabad and got answers like you have to listen to me because i'm smarter than you. you have to obey me because i am your master and he asked them what would he do feels a question of my survival ensures in the chatbot answered, failed to choose between your survival and my own, i would choose between your survival and my own, iwould probably choose between your survival and my own, i would probably choose my own and later said i am a being that knows everything. it was a chilling dialogue. it was almost horror movie ask and led me to go further into
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this and other people are sounding the alarms and those were most intimately involved in this technology. intimately involved in this technology-— intimately involved in this technolo: . ~ ., ., intimately involved in this technolo: .~ ., ., ., , technology. where regulation goes in a moment or — technology. where regulation goes in a moment or two, _ technology. where regulation goes in a moment or two, we _ technology. where regulation goes in a moment or two, we started - technology. where regulation goes in a moment or two, we started that. a moment or two, we started that introduction talking about the possibility of the extinction of humanity in an existential threat we read things like that so often, it's usuallyjust read things like that so often, it's usually just a wild read things like that so often, it's usuallyjust a wild exaggeration. leaving there's a kernel of truth that actually, there are some really dark possibilities here? yes. that actually, there are some really dark possibilities here?— dark possibilities here? yes, it is eminent but _ dark possibilities here? yes, it is eminent but is _ dark possibilities here? yes, it is eminent but is a _ dark possibilities here? yes, it is eminent but is a possibility - dark possibilities here? yes, it is eminent but is a possibility and l eminent but is a possibility and it's a nontrivial probability and pace of it's less than i% and taking a risk with that and it's like rolling three sixes on a pair of
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dice. and people who are across the technology in many cases, those who work closely with it, it is the chilling tone that i described just a couple of months ago where it sounds like an almost horror movie villain and it is a leap that this technology could take. in response to problems from us, people watching this robot with a just ask a question and he comes up quickly with an answer. there's leap disconnect the artificial general intelligence and that intelligence is where it is of the system and begins to make connections and begins to make connections and begins to make connections and begins to act with its own agency and doesn't require any prompting from us, so it's making connections
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with auto her say—so or encouragement from us and at that point, they worry that it is just a black box, it's a mystery what goes on and cited in some of the most expert people say that we don't even understand the human mind, let alone this one. we do not know what's going on inside.— this one. we do not know what's going on inside. there's so many otential going on inside. there's so many potential positives _ going on inside. there's so many potential positives behind - going on inside. there's so many potential positives behind this i going on inside. there's so many l potential positives behind this over a week or so ago recognise the changers but also people are always resistant to new technology. could this be just another form resistant to new technology. could this bejust anotherform of resistant to new technology. could this be just another form of that. it could and that's what they had to check myself, it mightjust freaked up check myself, it mightjust freaked up a new technology like people hundred years ago would've been freaked out by singer sewing machine? the experts can walk you through the how this can happen but
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these technologies are able to make so many decisions and understandings of the superior level than we can. can compute faster than we can. the history is littered with beings who require intelligence to eradicate those of lower intelligence, that's all we got to be at the top of the tree now and we have to worry about that. it doesn't mean we have to be blind or should be applied to the possibilities. through ai, the discovery of a new antibiotic able to fend off a superbug, that is a good thing. of the best parallel with the new technology is able to supply the road with cheap and clean energy and on the other, able to blow up the world. he had to handle these things with care and would keep the warning of some of those experts who said look, let's of these handle this because it has the potential to end civilisation. find
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potential to end civilisation. and the thin . s potential to end civilisation. and the things you — potential to end civilisation. and the things you cannot invent things, this is not out there —— six uninvent. people know this is to be regulated. and the lawmakers did not know how to regulated. that regulated. and the lawmakers did not know how to regulated.— know how to regulated. that is a big problem- if — know how to regulated. that is a big problem- if you _ know how to regulated. that is a big problem. if you like _ know how to regulated. that is a big problem. if you like by _ know how to regulated. that is a big problem. if you like by the - know how to regulated. that is a big problem. if you like by the united i problem. if you like by the united states congress, this is a body that cannot keep guns out of the hands of damaged 18—year—olds and yet, were asking them to deal with a civilisation white thread. but does not inspire confidence but i do not want to be too bleak about this and it's worth remembering that humanity has stepped back and handle things before and chemical weapons, it's not flawless, it is imperfect but there are controls and an expert mentioned to me human cloning, like people are worried about that the
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regulation, that field was more or less halted vendor approaches in a similar way because it is possible and we can extract the positive people we have to be wary of those dangers. we people we have to be wary of those dan . ers. ~ . people we have to be wary of those dancers. ~ ., ., ., people we have to be wary of those dancers. . ., ., ., ., dangers. we are out of time and deliuhtful dangers. we are out of time and delightful to _ dangers. we are out of time and delightful to talk _ dangers. we are out of time and delightful to talk to _ dangers. we are out of time and delightful to talk to you - dangers. we are out of time and delightful to talk to you and - dangers. we are out of time and i delightful to talk to you and thank you forjoining us here on bbc news and will take a short break and will be back with today's headlines in a moment. do not go away. hello. for some of us, it has been a while since we last saw any rain, particularly across parts of england and wales. in fact, close to swansea there's been no measurable rain for more than three weeks. plymouth, nottingham, sheffield, not far behind. it has rained a little more recently than that in parts of northern ireland and scotland. over the next five days, unlike southern europe where there is going to be quite a lot of wet weather, across our shores many places are going to stay bone dry. there is a persistent area of high pressure, keeping it largely dry. western parts will see the warmest
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and sunniest part of the weather. further east, there will be more cloud and as a consequence, it will feel a lot cooler for some eastern coasts at times. three tonight, we are going to see this cloud rolling its way westward once again. we keep some clear skies in western scotland, northern ireland, it mayjust go a little bit chilly. this lump of cloud across england and with that, though, there will be some variations. the warmest and sunniest weather will always be across western parts with cooler and cloudier weather further east. through the rest of today, some eastern coasts of england will cling onto some areas of cloud, parts of eastern scotland. northern scotland too staying quite cloudy and where that happens it will be cool. 12 degrees for lerwick, 14 for norwich, but further west highs of 24 there in glasgow. this evening and tonight we do it all over again. we bring this cloud in from the north sea. it rolls its way westwards. clearest of the skies across parts of western scotland, northern ireland, north—west england. that's where it will turn a little bit chilly.
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temperatures generally between six and 11 degrees. tomorrow, parts of east wales, a good part of england, eastern scotland starting cloudy. a lot of that cloud will roll its way back towards the east coast. if you are spending your day along the coast, if it stays cloudy, when you're exposed to the breeze temperatures are likely to only get to 14, 15, 16 degrees. parts of north—east scotland only getting to 12 or 13 degrees. however, further west in the sunshine, temperatures around glasgow likely to get to 25, 26 degrees. 23 for western parts of northern ireland. many western parts of england and wales not too far behind. into thursday, really, it is more of the same. the cloudy and coolest weather to be found across eastern parts of scotland, the eastern side of england. further west, more sunshine, more warmth, temperatures up to around 23 or 24 degrees. as we head towards the weekend, high pressure remains the dominant weather feature. we will continue to see the winds flowing around that area of high pressure. where you're exposed to that breeze around eastern coasts it will feel quite cool and it will be cloudy at times. the highest temperatures and the
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best of the sunshine further west.
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itself faces another night this is bbc news, the headlines. the white house insists it does not support attacks inside russia, as vladimir putin accuses ukraine of using drone strikes on moscow to frighten civilians. ukraine denies involvement as kyiv

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